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[00:05.000 --> 00:12.000]  The Israeli government reacted furiously Saturday after the UK ambassador to the UN, John Sawyers,
[00:12.000 --> 00:20.000]  voiced support for a UN report that could lead to prosecution of Israeli army officers for alleged war crimes in Gaza.
[00:20.000 --> 00:26.000]  Former Israeli Deputy Defence Minister Efrem Snei told the UK Sunday Times,
[00:26.000 --> 00:33.000]  if sanctions against Iran are not in place by Christmas, Israel may attack Iran on its own.
[00:33.000 --> 00:40.000]  Rwandan President Paul Kagame Sunday defended China and slammed Western nations,
[00:40.000 --> 00:45.000]  saying the Chinese bring what Africa needs investment and money for in governments and companies,
[00:45.000 --> 00:53.000]  adding Western firms are dumping nuclear waste in the Ivory Coast and using Somalia as a rubbish bin.
[00:53.000 --> 01:03.000]  The Centre for Responsive Politics charges members of Congress invested $195.5 million of their own money
[01:03.000 --> 01:08.000]  in companies that receive hundreds of millions of dollars a day from Pentagon contracts.
[01:08.000 --> 01:16.000]  Senator John Kerry, who staked his 2004 presidential bid in part on his opposition to the war,
[01:16.000 --> 01:24.000]  topped the list of investors with holdings of up to $38 million as of December 31, 2006.
[01:24.000 --> 01:35.000]  In all, 151 members of Congress invested in companies that received more than $275 billion from the government in 2006.
[01:35.000 --> 01:45.000]  The investments yielded lawmakers up to $62 million in dividends, capital gains, royalties and interests from 2004 to 2006.
[01:45.000 --> 01:51.000]  Before becoming Vice President in 2001, Dick Cheney headed Halliburton,
[01:51.000 --> 01:58.000]  a major player in the oil services industry and the object of controversy involving political connections,
[01:58.000 --> 02:01.000]  government contracts and business ethics.
[02:01.000 --> 02:09.000]  Following the Iraq invasion, Halliburton's subsidiary KVR was awarded multi-billion dollar no-bid contracts.
[02:09.000 --> 02:19.000]  A former chief economist for the International Monetary Fund says the Obama administration refused to take meaningful steps
[02:19.000 --> 02:27.000]  to reform the banking system in the wake of last year's financial crisis and the opportunity to do so has now been missed.
[02:27.000 --> 02:36.000]  Simon Johnson told PBS's Bill Moyers Friday he expects an even larger financial crisis to hit the U.S. in the coming years
[02:36.000 --> 02:44.000]  because the system was not fixed through reform but rather through a massive injection of taxpayers' money into the failing banks.
[02:44.000 --> 02:51.000]  Johnson said the administration refused to break the power of the big banks when they had the opportunity earlier this year
[02:51.000 --> 02:57.000]  and the regulatory reforms they are now pursuing will turn out to be essentially meaningless.
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[03:27.000 --> 03:41.000]  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah.
[03:41.000 --> 03:52.000]  Always I must be careful what I'm wishing for. When I'm hungry I like to do just what I'm wishing for.
[03:52.000 --> 04:04.000]  I ain't asking for much. I ain't trying to be no glutton. I'm just here making my living pushing buttons.
[04:04.000 --> 04:15.000]  I give my message out to anyone who's shouting distance. Hope for bravery and against slavery. Showing resistance.
[04:15.000 --> 04:27.000]  First I'm crawling, then I'm walking, then I start strutting. I'm just so glad to make my living pushing buttons.
[04:27.000 --> 04:37.000]  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Yeah.
[04:37.000 --> 04:46.000]  When we sat down to play Monopoly, we all wanted to win the game. We gave some guy endless money supply.
[04:46.000 --> 04:53.000]  We must have not been thinking with brains. After some time, the worth of my time got beat down to dinner.
[04:53.000 --> 05:07.000]  Nothing I might have been doing all right until I make my living pushing buttons. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
[05:07.000 --> 05:17.000]  Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. There's a man over there with ammunition looking for the brand new chance.
[05:17.000 --> 05:25.000]  To profit from my fear, we're going to show him a brand new dance. Two hundred six to seven stories.
[05:25.000 --> 05:32.000]  They blew up into almost nothing. I'm in pain in the rain. It makes me make my living pushing buttons.
[05:32.000 --> 05:38.000]  All right. We're making our living pushing buttons. Bunch of push button heads around here.
[05:38.000 --> 05:42.000]  We're getting the message out. This is the rule of law.
[05:42.000 --> 05:50.000]  Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, and Deborah Stevens. And tonight we have a very special guest, Richard Reeves.
[05:50.000 --> 05:54.000]  He will be filling in for Radio Free Oklahoma this Wednesday as well.
[05:54.000 --> 06:03.000]  And Richard wants to talk about how we've been able to successfully stop the trans-Texas corridor, among other things.
[06:03.000 --> 06:06.000]  Richard, thanks for joining us tonight.
[06:06.000 --> 06:09.000]  Hey, Deborah and Randy. Thanks for having me on.
[06:09.000 --> 06:12.000]  It's really exciting, all the news that's been breaking out.
[06:12.000 --> 06:17.000]  And they've officially announced that the trans-Texas corridor is dead.
[06:17.000 --> 06:19.000]  However, it is a little bit suspicious.
[06:19.000 --> 06:24.000]  We're only six months or so, or less than six months, from the primary in March 2010.
[06:24.000 --> 06:29.000]  And Rick Perry has got his hat in the ring for re-election as governor.
[06:29.000 --> 06:32.000]  So until Rick Perry is gone, we can't trust the announcement.
[06:32.000 --> 06:39.000]  But for now, on this fall of the trans-Texas corridor, Ted Houghton, the commissioner,
[06:39.000 --> 06:43.000]  the chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission, a Rick Perry appointee,
[06:43.000 --> 06:49.000]  is falling on the sword in Rick Perry's stead on the collapse of the trans-Texas corridor.
[06:49.000 --> 06:54.000]  And he actually has a quote where he was in a meeting the other day that says,
[06:54.000 --> 07:04.000]  I am Ted Houghton, the most arrogant commissioner of the most arrogant state agency in the history of the state of Texas.
[07:04.000 --> 07:06.000]  What?
[07:06.000 --> 07:11.000]  I know they're arrogant, but this is the first time I've heard one admit it.
[07:11.000 --> 07:13.000]  You can actually see it.
[07:13.000 --> 07:22.000]  If you just go to YouTube and type in tex.txdot, tout their arrogance, and you can see that actual video clip.
[07:22.000 --> 07:24.000]  I don't like this. There's something wrong.
[07:24.000 --> 07:28.000]  That's hilarious. Okay, so he's the head of TxDOT.
[07:28.000 --> 07:29.000]  It's a setup.
[07:29.000 --> 07:36.000]  Well, Ted Houghton is the chairman of the Texas Transportation Commission, which is a different,
[07:36.000 --> 07:47.000]  it's an adjunct part of the executive branch above TxDOT that they basically recommend to TxDOT what to do, what not to do, et cetera.
[07:47.000 --> 07:53.000]  They're above TxDOT, and I'd like to say Ted Houghton was the appointee from Rick Perry.
[07:53.000 --> 08:00.000]  Ted Houghton took the place of Rick Williamson, who we had many battles here locally with Rick Williamson here in Austin
[08:00.000 --> 08:06.000]  over the Texas Transportation Commission and their activities with TxDOT, and Ted Houghton replaced him.
[08:06.000 --> 08:08.000]  And it's just amazing.
[08:08.000 --> 08:13.000]  He was, of course, trying to be sarcastic and joking about it because they've been accused of it so much.
[08:13.000 --> 08:17.000]  But anyway, with the lack of context, the clip is just hilarious.
[08:17.000 --> 08:21.000]  Okay, so what happens after this?
[08:21.000 --> 08:25.000]  I mean, he's just trying to make a joke on this video.
[08:25.000 --> 08:32.000]  Does he have a speech after this where he announces some bombshell or something?
[08:32.000 --> 08:37.000]  Right. That's when they announced, I guess it was October 7th or so right in there,
[08:37.000 --> 08:41.000]  that they announced the death of the transit corridor, and he's the one that did it.
[08:41.000 --> 08:48.000]  And he opens up as introducing himself as Ted Houghton, the most arrogant guy of the most arrogant commission
[08:48.000 --> 08:50.000]  in the history of the state of Texas.
[08:50.000 --> 08:54.000]  And then he goes on to say that, well, the transit corridor is dead, et cetera.
[08:54.000 --> 09:00.000]  But like I said, I want to reemphasize that until Rick Perry is no longer the governor of Texas,
[09:00.000 --> 09:08.000]  and even if we see somebody like Kay Bailey Hutchison, and also I heard news that potentially even Kirk Watson,
[09:08.000 --> 09:12.000]  may run for governor on the Democrat side.
[09:12.000 --> 09:16.000]  So the New World Order, I know this is a fully decompartmentalized audience that you all have.
[09:16.000 --> 09:21.000]  So we know the NWO is going to try to replace, if they do replace Rick Perry,
[09:21.000 --> 09:27.000]  they're going to try to do it with another NWO minion that will try to follow through on their globalization plan.
[09:27.000 --> 09:28.000]  Oh, yeah.
[09:28.000 --> 09:36.000]  And I suspected from way back that the NWO has been grooming Kirk Watson for a while.
[09:36.000 --> 09:41.000]  I suspect to see him at Bilderberg in the upcoming years, to be honest.
[09:41.000 --> 09:48.000]  They're going to try to take him up in the ranks, for sure, because he's just their style.
[09:48.000 --> 09:53.000]  You know, he acts the big show, like everything he does is for the people,
[09:53.000 --> 09:58.000]  but then behind the scenes he's just stabbing everyone in the back.
[09:58.000 --> 10:03.000]  I had experience with him from way back when he was mayor of Austin.
[10:03.000 --> 10:12.000]  He tried to rip apart our neighborhood with a zoning plan that would allow the lot sizes to be half of what they are now.
[10:12.000 --> 10:18.000]  And what that would do is over time developers would be able to come in and buy up houses one by one.
[10:18.000 --> 10:21.000]  And once they get control, once somebody owned the whole block,
[10:21.000 --> 10:28.000]  then they could just level everything and re-subdivide up the whole block with teeny tiny little houses right next to each other.
[10:28.000 --> 10:29.000]  And we were able to stop it.
[10:29.000 --> 10:32.000]  We were able to stop that in our neighborhood.
[10:32.000 --> 10:40.000]  But yeah, Kirk Watson is definitely near the top of my blacklist, that's for sure.
[10:40.000 --> 10:45.000]  Well, the thing that's going to kill Kirk Watson, if he does throw his hat in the ring for governor,
[10:45.000 --> 10:50.000]  is that he was on Chris Matthews' national hardball program.
[10:50.000 --> 10:52.000]  Are you all familiar with that show?
[10:52.000 --> 10:55.000]  I've never seen it, but yeah, I've heard of it.
[10:55.000 --> 11:07.000]  Okay, well he was on back in, I think it was 2008, early 2008, and he was a proponent for Barack Obama on that program.
[11:07.000 --> 11:13.000]  And Chris Matthews asked for Senator Watson to cite some of Obama's accomplishments,
[11:13.000 --> 11:17.000]  and Watson was just speechless, he could not answer the question.
[11:17.000 --> 11:21.000]  And of course, Chris Matthews being his program hardball,
[11:21.000 --> 11:26.000]  he just continuously made Kirk Watson, you've got to answer this question,
[11:26.000 --> 11:29.000]  and Kirk would try to shift the subject and talk about other things,
[11:29.000 --> 11:33.000]  but Chris Matthews just kept bringing him back, and so he really looked bad.
[11:33.000 --> 11:37.000]  And one way for people to see that YouTube video is just type in,
[11:37.000 --> 11:42.000]  Kirk Watson, Chris Matthews, and search on YouTube, and you can find that video.
[11:42.000 --> 11:46.000]  That video is going to haunt Kirk Watson the rest of his political career.
[11:46.000 --> 11:48.000]  I'll bet.
[11:48.000 --> 11:50.000]  Isn't technology great?
[11:50.000 --> 11:54.000]  That video alone would probably keep him from being governor right there.
[11:54.000 --> 11:56.000]  Oh, that's great, that's great.
[11:56.000 --> 12:02.000]  Yeah, I sure do wish we could have stopped him from being senator of this district, or state senator, that's for sure.
[12:02.000 --> 12:13.000]  We really pushed hard to try to get Rockhow elected, and in that race a few years ago, there was no Republican candidate.
[12:13.000 --> 12:22.000]  It was just Kirk Watson representing the Dems versus Rockhow or the Libertarian,
[12:22.000 --> 12:32.000]  and I've always suspected that that was very deliberate, that the bad guys at the top that are pulling the strings of both parties
[12:32.000 --> 12:39.000]  basically told the Republicans to stand down in this race and don't put in a candidate because we want Kirk in.
[12:39.000 --> 12:42.000]  That's what I suspect happened.
[12:42.000 --> 12:44.000]  That's just speculation.
[12:44.000 --> 12:49.000]  But it could also just be a pragmatic view that that district goes Democrat.
[12:49.000 --> 12:57.000]  But the good news is the next time Kirk Watson runs, I think we're going to have a patriot Democrat challenge him in the primary,
[12:57.000 --> 13:04.000]  and we're going to see Republicans at least go into the primary, and potentially patriot Republicans.
[13:04.000 --> 13:12.000]  So I think we're going to see patriots on both sides, on the Democrat side and the Republican side both, challenge Kirk Watson in his next election.
[13:12.000 --> 13:14.000]  I feel confident that's what's going to happen.
[13:14.000 --> 13:16.000]  That would be great. That would be awesome.
[13:16.000 --> 13:22.000]  And you're working really hard on that, and we can talk a little bit more about that later as well.
[13:22.000 --> 13:31.000]  Let's just back up here a little bit about the death or the apparent death of the trans-Texas corridor.
[13:31.000 --> 13:33.000]  What happened before today?
[13:33.000 --> 13:36.000]  Did it get shot down in legislation somehow?
[13:36.000 --> 13:40.000]  Didn't it get shot down in legislation this past session?
[13:40.000 --> 13:41.000]  Right.
[13:41.000 --> 13:48.000]  Well, one big thing that happened this special session is that there was legislation to continue those projects, the trans-Texas corridor,
[13:48.000 --> 13:51.000]  and continue public-private partnerships.
[13:51.000 --> 13:54.000]  And some of that was grandfathered in from previous legislation,
[13:54.000 --> 14:00.000]  but a lot of the upcoming and new projects in that regard were shot down in that special session,
[14:00.000 --> 14:05.000]  and that was a huge loss for trans-Texas corridor and public-private partnerships,
[14:05.000 --> 14:08.000]  also known as comprehensive development agreements.
[14:08.000 --> 14:13.000]  It was a huge loss within the special session, and it was a huge loss for Rick Perry,
[14:13.000 --> 14:18.000]  because a lot of the legislative body of the House and Senate,
[14:18.000 --> 14:22.000]  they realized that one of the main reasons for Rick Perry calling this special session
[14:22.000 --> 14:27.000]  was about these public-private partnerships and comprehensive development agreements.
[14:27.000 --> 14:32.000]  And so many of them were actually pretty angry that their lives were interrupted
[14:32.000 --> 14:37.000]  with this special session for what was potentially feathering the nest
[14:37.000 --> 14:40.000]  and blinding the pockets of the cronies of Rick Perry.
[14:40.000 --> 14:42.000]  Wow.
[14:42.000 --> 14:45.000]  You just answered the question I had.
[14:45.000 --> 14:48.000]  Well, actually, not quite.
[14:48.000 --> 14:57.000]  What led to the legislature voting down a project as big as trans-Texas corridor?
[14:57.000 --> 14:59.000]  This had to take a lot of political action.
[14:59.000 --> 15:00.000]  Oh, are you kidding me?
[15:00.000 --> 15:03.000]  There have been thousands of people working to stop this for years.
[15:03.000 --> 15:10.000]  I know, as ordinary individuals, though, we mount to squat when it comes to the real money.
[15:10.000 --> 15:15.000]  Where is the real money moving that stopped this?
[15:15.000 --> 15:20.000]  Well, I tend to agree with Deborah that this is the work of thousands of activists
[15:20.000 --> 15:27.000]  putting heat on their legislative members in the House and Senate,
[15:27.000 --> 15:32.000]  and I just don't see that they would have an interest in killing this
[15:32.000 --> 15:36.000]  and saying, well, okay, we're going to do this and make money this way.
[15:36.000 --> 15:45.000]  So this is a loss. This puts them, see what it is, ever since about 2004, 2005,
[15:45.000 --> 15:50.000]  we've really kind of taken over the ball on this, and we put them on the defenses,
[15:50.000 --> 15:54.000]  and so they've just constantly, we've been driving them into the end of the field.
[15:54.000 --> 16:00.000]  And at this point, I wouldn't say that we've scored the touchdown and the game's over, et cetera.
[16:00.000 --> 16:04.000]  I wouldn't say that at all, but I would say that we're probably in the fourth quarter
[16:04.000 --> 16:07.000]  and we're on the one-yard line and we're ahead by a touchdown
[16:07.000 --> 16:12.000]  and about to score another one. But is it over yet? No, it's not over.
[16:12.000 --> 16:15.000]  There's still one or two minutes left in this game.
[16:15.000 --> 16:20.000]  Here's my concern. I'm a skeptic. I'm going to give you my answer.
[16:20.000 --> 16:23.000]  No, Rick, I mean, I don't blame you.
[16:23.000 --> 16:30.000]  One thing I'm sure of, if my government tries to get me to perceive something
[16:30.000 --> 16:36.000]  that appears to be in my benefit, I want to look around behind me
[16:36.000 --> 16:39.000]  and see if I can find that other shoe that's about to—
[16:39.000 --> 16:43.000]  Right, and I can answer that question a little bit more on the other side for you, Randy, as well,
[16:43.000 --> 16:47.000]  because I know some history about what's been going on with all the activism
[16:47.000 --> 16:52.000]  regarding the trans-Texas corridor over the last several years that I've been involved in, too,
[16:52.000 --> 16:57.000]  and I'll discuss that and where the other shoe's going to fall on the other side.
[16:57.000 --> 17:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[17:57.000 --> 18:22.000]  Thank you, everyone.
[18:22.000 --> 18:25.000]  Okay, we are back.
[18:25.000 --> 18:29.000]  Okay, now, Randy, to address your question that you had before the break,
[18:29.000 --> 18:33.000]  yeah, I've been involved with a lot of these activist groups
[18:33.000 --> 18:37.000]  to stop the trans-Texas corridor for many years, myself.
[18:37.000 --> 18:41.000]  And this time, it really is because the people made a difference.
[18:41.000 --> 18:44.000]  I mean, we have hounded and hounded and hounded them.
[18:44.000 --> 18:47.000]  We've gone to camp out meetings and booed them down.
[18:47.000 --> 18:51.000]  All right, we've made phone calls. We've harassed our legislators.
[18:51.000 --> 18:53.000]  We've gone and protested at the Capitol.
[18:53.000 --> 18:58.000]  I mean, we have applied so much pressure, and it's gotten into the media,
[18:58.000 --> 19:03.000]  you know, to paint it in a bad light, to paint the trans-Texas corridor in a bad light,
[19:03.000 --> 19:07.000]  to the point that it became a political football,
[19:07.000 --> 19:13.000]  and even the legislators themselves didn't really want to be associated with supporting it
[19:13.000 --> 19:17.000]  because it was getting such a bad rap in the media.
[19:17.000 --> 19:22.000]  Even the mainstream media, because of all the hard work of the activists over the years,
[19:22.000 --> 19:24.000]  it really is true.
[19:24.000 --> 19:27.000]  And what they're going to do now, what they're trying to do now,
[19:27.000 --> 19:30.000]  is they're going to try to compartmentalize it
[19:30.000 --> 19:36.000]  and break it up into many different projects, like on a county-by-county basis.
[19:36.000 --> 19:39.000]  They're still going to try to do something with it
[19:39.000 --> 19:43.000]  because there's just too much money to be made for them to just totally let it go.
[19:43.000 --> 19:49.000]  But yeah, as a statewide project, it looks like it's most likely dead.
[19:49.000 --> 19:52.000]  All right, especially if we can get Rick Perry out of there,
[19:52.000 --> 19:58.000]  but they are going to try to make it happen on a, you know, little mini-project.
[19:58.000 --> 20:01.000]  Right, Richard? Is that what you've been hearing?
[20:01.000 --> 20:03.000]  Right. They'll be trying to work around that.
[20:03.000 --> 20:06.000]  For example, right here east of Boston, we have the SH-130,
[20:06.000 --> 20:13.000]  and that has been much talked about as being a portion of the trans-Texas corridor.
[20:13.000 --> 20:19.000]  They initially, part of the plan was to potentially join the trans-Texas corridor and SH-130,
[20:19.000 --> 20:24.000]  make them one and the same around the southeast portion of Williamson County,
[20:24.000 --> 20:27.000]  just north of Maynor and Elgin area,
[20:27.000 --> 20:32.000]  and have it run in conjunction with trans-Texas corridor down through Seguin.
[20:32.000 --> 20:39.000]  And so that SH-130 actually has been talked about as being a part of the trans-Texas corridor.
[20:39.000 --> 20:41.000]  And like you said, Debra, you nailed it.
[20:41.000 --> 20:45.000]  That's what they're going to try to do is build it in smaller compartments
[20:45.000 --> 20:47.000]  and link it all up together that way.
[20:47.000 --> 20:51.000]  But until Rick Perry is gone, it's still a threat.
[20:51.000 --> 20:56.000]  And even beyond that, chances are the NWO, maybe they can succeed.
[20:56.000 --> 21:00.000]  I think we've got a good gubernatorial candidate, Patriot candidate Debra Medina,
[21:00.000 --> 21:03.000]  that has a totally winnable race.
[21:03.000 --> 21:05.000]  And we can talk about that on some other shows.
[21:05.000 --> 21:08.000]  As a matter of fact, Wednesday, folks tune in Wednesday.
[21:08.000 --> 21:12.000]  They tune in on that Radio Free Oklahoma program at 8 p.m. Wednesday.
[21:12.000 --> 21:16.000]  And I'm going to really break that down, how Debra Medina not only has a chance,
[21:16.000 --> 21:18.000]  but she can definitely win the race.
[21:18.000 --> 21:21.000]  But, right, Randy, you hit it.
[21:21.000 --> 21:23.000]  I mean, I'm skeptical just like you are.
[21:23.000 --> 21:25.000]  I've been in this battle and got the scars for years.
[21:25.000 --> 21:29.000]  My spidey sense is just tingling like crazy.
[21:29.000 --> 21:31.000]  Oh, listen, listen.
[21:31.000 --> 21:34.000]  It's obvious that they're going to try to pull something.
[21:34.000 --> 21:36.000]  They always will.
[21:36.000 --> 21:42.000]  They're going to try to weasel and maneuver and pull some charlatan tricks
[21:42.000 --> 21:46.000]  because there's just too much money to be made.
[21:46.000 --> 21:48.000]  That is exactly my concern.
[21:48.000 --> 21:50.000]  Did Ronald Reagan say it best,
[21:50.000 --> 21:54.000]  the nine most frightful words in the English language is I'm from the government
[21:54.000 --> 21:55.000]  and I'm here to help?
[21:55.000 --> 21:56.000]  Right.
[21:56.000 --> 21:59.000]  But the thing is, is that they're not going to be a –
[21:59.000 --> 22:03.000]  they're most likely – we've most likely been able to stop it dead in its tracks
[22:03.000 --> 22:06.000]  as far as a statewide project.
[22:06.000 --> 22:11.000]  Because if they have to do it in a bunch of little mini projects
[22:11.000 --> 22:13.000]  on a county-by-county basis,
[22:13.000 --> 22:18.000]  then that makes it a lot more likely that we will be able to completely
[22:18.000 --> 22:24.000]  and totally kill it because we'll have more control at the local level, okay?
[22:24.000 --> 22:30.000]  We can always get a lot more done at the local level than at a state or federal level.
[22:30.000 --> 22:35.000]  The more the activism applies pressure on local governments, municipalities,
[22:35.000 --> 22:39.000]  county commissioners, things like this, the more likely it is,
[22:39.000 --> 22:42.000]  the easier it is for us to make change.
[22:42.000 --> 22:46.000]  And so if it's going to be up to the county commissioners on a county-by-county basis,
[22:46.000 --> 22:51.000]  then the people in those counties can apply a lot more pressure.
[22:51.000 --> 22:55.000]  I mean, in Gonzales, they stopped it.
[22:55.000 --> 23:01.000]  I mean, they just said, you guys, if you build this thing, you're not going through our county.
[23:01.000 --> 23:07.000]  They would have had to go around Gonzales County with the trans-Texas corridor.
[23:07.000 --> 23:12.000]  It would have looked ridiculous, like this big, you know, loop around the whole county, okay?
[23:12.000 --> 23:16.000]  So we can stop this thing on a county-by-county basis because Gonzales –
[23:16.000 --> 23:20.000]  Right, that's why they had one of the mayors of a little town down in the valley.
[23:20.000 --> 23:22.000]  I don't recall her name, but she said she'd be –
[23:22.000 --> 23:27.000]  she would stand in front of a bulldozer to stop the trans-Texas corridor 69
[23:27.000 --> 23:29.000]  down there in Rio Grande Valley.
[23:29.000 --> 23:35.000]  And, Randy, here's the thing to look out for is the trans-Texas corridor is just really part
[23:35.000 --> 23:38.000]  of the overall scheme for transportation that they have.
[23:38.000 --> 23:43.000]  The real goal of all of this at some point, trans-Texas corridor, toll roads,
[23:43.000 --> 23:47.000]  changing existing roads to toll roads, is the ultimate goal is they want to track some traces
[23:47.000 --> 23:52.000]  and bill us for every mile we drive with GPS or other similar technology.
[23:52.000 --> 23:57.000]  And they may – what they may try to do with this big law is just to fast-forward
[23:57.000 --> 24:00.000]  to where they just make our cars all into taxicabs and bill us,
[24:00.000 --> 24:02.000]  track us, and trace us for every mile we drive.
[24:02.000 --> 24:08.000]  Okay, Eddie Craig, will you address their problem there?
[24:08.000 --> 24:11.000]  The problem there is that authority does not exist.
[24:11.000 --> 24:14.000]  We are not persons in the meaning of the law.
[24:14.000 --> 24:17.000]  They can only do that to persons.
[24:17.000 --> 24:20.000]  And that's only people that are engaged in commerce.
[24:20.000 --> 24:22.000]  It has nothing to do with the rest of us.
[24:22.000 --> 24:24.000]  It never has.
[24:24.000 --> 24:25.000]  Right.
[24:25.000 --> 24:26.000]  But you know how they do.
[24:26.000 --> 24:28.000]  I mean, the IRS, they don't have authority.
[24:28.000 --> 24:29.000]  They do what they do.
[24:29.000 --> 24:32.000]  The FCC, they don't have authority within the state.
[24:32.000 --> 24:34.000]  So, you know, we know that.
[24:34.000 --> 24:36.000]  That's what our seminar is about.
[24:36.000 --> 24:38.000]  Eddie's got the plan.
[24:38.000 --> 24:39.000]  Let me tell you what.
[24:39.000 --> 24:41.000]  He's the traffic code expert here in Texas.
[24:41.000 --> 24:44.000]  But I'll tell you, do you know how we managed to keep the
[24:44.000 --> 24:49.000]  Japanese from invading America?
[24:49.000 --> 24:50.000]  Say that again?
[24:50.000 --> 24:53.000]  Does anybody recall how we managed to keep the Japanese
[24:53.000 --> 24:54.000]  from invading America?
[24:54.000 --> 24:56.000]  We bombed Tokyo.
[24:56.000 --> 24:57.000]  No, no, no.
[24:57.000 --> 25:00.000]  That's not how we prevented it.
[25:00.000 --> 25:04.000]  The Japanese actually would not come to America willingly
[25:04.000 --> 25:06.000]  if they didn't have to.
[25:06.000 --> 25:07.000]  Why?
[25:07.000 --> 25:11.000]  Because their emperors knew, the emperor knew that there
[25:11.000 --> 25:14.000]  would be a gun behind every blade of grass.
[25:14.000 --> 25:15.000]  Right.
[25:15.000 --> 25:16.000]  It's the biggest armed camp in the world.
[25:16.000 --> 25:17.000]  Right.
[25:17.000 --> 25:22.000]  Hirohoto was directed by the warlords to make war on the
[25:22.000 --> 25:23.000]  United States.
[25:23.000 --> 25:28.000]  And Hirohoto went to the emperor and the warlords and said,
[25:28.000 --> 25:31.000]  I have been to America.
[25:31.000 --> 25:35.000]  I have toured their automobile plants.
[25:35.000 --> 25:38.000]  We cannot defeat them.
[25:38.000 --> 25:44.000]  If they mobilize, they will become the most powerful force
[25:44.000 --> 25:45.000]  on earth.
[25:45.000 --> 25:47.000]  That's what stopped him.
[25:47.000 --> 25:48.000]  Yeah.
[25:48.000 --> 25:50.000]  They were afraid, what was the quote they said?
[25:50.000 --> 25:52.000]  I'm afraid I've stirred a waking giant.
[25:52.000 --> 25:53.000]  Exactly.
[25:53.000 --> 25:56.000]  And you're right on, Eddie.
[25:56.000 --> 26:01.000]  They're on the verge with the change in the political climate,
[26:01.000 --> 26:05.000]  with the financial problems.
[26:05.000 --> 26:07.000]  That's the biggest problem they have.
[26:07.000 --> 26:11.000]  That the public is financially squeezed.
[26:11.000 --> 26:13.000]  And when you squeeze the public financially,
[26:13.000 --> 26:15.000]  they're going to kick your behind.
[26:15.000 --> 26:16.000]  That's right.
[26:16.000 --> 26:18.000]  Because a hungry man is an angry man.
[26:18.000 --> 26:19.000]  Yes.
[26:19.000 --> 26:20.000]  And we're seeing that in the relationship.
[26:20.000 --> 26:22.000]  Especially if you're the cause of his hunger.
[26:22.000 --> 26:23.000]  Yep.
[26:23.000 --> 26:28.000]  Or you can be perceived as the cause of his hunger.
[26:28.000 --> 26:32.000]  That's why I'm being skeptical.
[26:32.000 --> 26:37.000]  I really want to understand what the real motivation here is.
[26:37.000 --> 26:40.000]  And I know it always goes to money.
[26:40.000 --> 26:41.000]  Of course, Randy.
[26:41.000 --> 26:47.000]  The Trans-Texas Corridor Project is really just part of the overall NAFTA superhighway.
[26:47.000 --> 26:53.000]  To build the big superhighway connecting Mexico to Canada,
[26:53.000 --> 26:56.000]  running all the way through the middle of the United States,
[26:56.000 --> 27:02.000]  where people could zoom through and entities bringing goods
[27:02.000 --> 27:07.000]  wouldn't even have to stop at customs or deal with anything until they get to Kansas.
[27:07.000 --> 27:09.000]  This is all about the money.
[27:09.000 --> 27:11.000]  It's all about the tolls.
[27:11.000 --> 27:18.000]  And it's all about sucking the lifeblood out of all these little communities and towns all along the way.
[27:18.000 --> 27:25.000]  The whole thing with the Trans-Texas Corridor and the NAFTA superhighway is that it's very restricted.
[27:25.000 --> 27:28.000]  It's very restricted as far as access, getting on and off.
[27:28.000 --> 27:31.000]  And that was one thing that really scared me.
[27:31.000 --> 27:38.000]  There wouldn't be exits into small towns along the way or even only big cities.
[27:38.000 --> 27:44.000]  And everything along the way, they'll have your rest stops and restaurants and your McDonald's
[27:44.000 --> 27:51.000]  and all the chain foods and the gas stations would actually be on the highway,
[27:51.000 --> 27:55.000]  like toll road, like up in the northeast.
[27:55.000 --> 28:01.000]  And it would totally kill the economies of these communities.
[28:01.000 --> 28:07.000]  And that was one of the big complaints by people in these more rural areas,
[28:07.000 --> 28:09.000]  is that you guys are going to kill us here.
[28:09.000 --> 28:14.000]  We won't get any traffic coming off the highway anymore, like from I-35 or whatever.
[28:14.000 --> 28:16.000]  And so it's all about the money.
[28:16.000 --> 28:22.000]  It's all about ripping off people's pockets on the way as they're driving up and down
[28:22.000 --> 28:26.000]  and, Richard, like you said, taxing them, keeping the money out of the small towns,
[28:26.000 --> 28:28.000]  keeping it all to themselves.
[28:28.000 --> 28:30.000]  It's all about control.
[28:30.000 --> 28:32.000]  It's all about the NAFTA superhighway.
[28:32.000 --> 28:34.000]  It's all about building the New World Order.
[28:34.000 --> 28:36.000]  And it's just a part of it.
[28:36.000 --> 28:38.000]  And so, yeah, of course they're not going to give it up.
[28:38.000 --> 28:41.000]  Of course they're not going to give it up.
[28:41.000 --> 28:46.000]  They're going to have to drag them to it kicking and screaming.
[28:46.000 --> 28:48.000]  Them, I mean, would be the ones kicking and screaming.
[28:48.000 --> 28:52.000]  And they're going to do everything they can to try to break it up into smaller projects.
[28:52.000 --> 28:54.000]  And so we just have to be aware that that's what's going to happen.
[28:54.000 --> 28:57.000]  But the fact that they are going to have to do it in smaller projects
[28:57.000 --> 29:01.000]  means that we'll be able to thoroughly defeat it much easier.
[29:01.000 --> 29:04.000]  So I am hopeful here.
[29:04.000 --> 29:07.000]  Defeating it at the state level is a big deal.
[29:07.000 --> 29:09.000]  Yeah, it's a big deal.
[29:09.000 --> 29:12.000]  I'll say, Randy, you know, your spidey sense is on target, though,
[29:12.000 --> 29:18.000]  because their ultimate goal is to tax for every mile that you drive with the GPS technology.
[29:18.000 --> 29:19.000]  So that's still out there.
[29:19.000 --> 29:21.000]  That's still on the horizon.
[29:21.000 --> 29:23.000]  And that's what we've got to watch out for.
[29:23.000 --> 29:25.000]  And that's what they may try to fast forward to,
[29:25.000 --> 29:30.000]  because these transit corridor projects, the NAFTA highway projects,
[29:30.000 --> 29:34.000]  taking existing roads, putting tolls on them, managed lanes and all that,
[29:34.000 --> 29:36.000]  all of that is the boiling of the frog.
[29:36.000 --> 29:41.000]  So the ultimate goal of GPS tracking, tracing, taxing for every mile you drive.
[29:41.000 --> 29:42.000]  Yep.
[29:42.000 --> 29:43.000]  All right, listen.
[29:43.000 --> 29:44.000]  We're coming up to a break.
[29:44.000 --> 29:48.000]  When we get back on the other side, we want to talk about Campo.
[29:48.000 --> 29:49.000]  All right.
[29:49.000 --> 29:52.000]  Apparently, they have no authority.
[29:52.000 --> 29:55.000]  And Kirk Watson, I believe he's the chairman of Campo right now.
[29:55.000 --> 29:56.000]  He speaks the devil again.
[29:56.000 --> 30:00.000]  We'll be right back.
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[31:00.000 --> 31:28.000]  Yeah, I got a warrant, and I'm gonna solve them, to the head of government then, prosecute them. Okay.
[31:28.000 --> 31:34.000]  All right.
[31:34.000 --> 31:38.000]  We're gonna prosecute these people, prosecute them ourselves if we have to.
[31:38.000 --> 31:42.000]  Okay, Campo.
[31:42.000 --> 31:44.000]  Let me tell a story.
[31:44.000 --> 31:56.000]  Okay, Campo is a board that has people on it from text dots, local counties throughout Texas.
[31:56.000 --> 32:00.000]  Senator Kirk Watson is the chairman of Campo right now,
[32:00.000 --> 32:08.000]  and it's basically a group that comes together to form policy to advise text dot and such like that,
[32:08.000 --> 32:14.000]  just setting policy for the transportation issues in the state.
[32:14.000 --> 32:19.000]  I was at the Campo meeting the night that Kirk Watson took over.
[32:19.000 --> 32:24.000]  We were there to protest them putting up these outrageous toll roads in Oak Hill
[32:24.000 --> 32:31.000]  that would have just destroyed this creek and oak trees that are 300 years old,
[32:31.000 --> 32:37.000]  and the community didn't want it, and I think eventually it got shot down, thank God.
[32:37.000 --> 32:43.000]  Anyway, the same night was the election of the new chairman of the Campo board,
[32:43.000 --> 32:48.000]  and nobody wanted to take up Kirk Watson.
[32:48.000 --> 32:57.000]  Everyone stood down, and I remember when, I'm trying to remember which one, it was someone,
[32:57.000 --> 33:04.000]  city council member up in Pflugerville, one of the bad guys, nominated Kirk Watson,
[33:04.000 --> 33:11.000]  and everyone in the audience, there's about 2,000 people there, everyone goes, no.
[33:11.000 --> 33:15.000]  It was like this huge uproar from the crowd,
[33:15.000 --> 33:19.000]  Kirk Watson just fell back in his chair and just had his hand on his face.
[33:19.000 --> 33:20.000]  It was hilarious.
[33:20.000 --> 33:21.000]  It was absolutely hilarious.
[33:21.000 --> 33:26.000]  We do have an effect on these people, by the way, but anyway, this is just a little antidote.
[33:26.000 --> 33:32.000]  So Richard, why don't you tell us what does Campo stand for, and just what is it that they do anyway?
[33:32.000 --> 33:37.000]  Okay, that acronym stands for Capital Area Metropolitan Planning Organization,
[33:37.000 --> 33:42.000]  and they kind of ride her here over central Texas, Travis County, Williamson, Hayes,
[33:42.000 --> 33:46.000]  Caldwell, surrounding counties over Lockhart area,
[33:46.000 --> 33:55.000]  and they basically have supposedly been given authority by either the governor or the legislature,
[33:55.000 --> 33:59.000]  but actually these attorneys have assessed William Gammon, Bill Gammon, and David Rogers,
[33:59.000 --> 34:03.000]  and Steve Smith, who ran for Supreme Court a while back.
[34:03.000 --> 34:08.000]  These three attorneys have taken on a lawsuit filed by People for Efficient Transportation,
[34:08.000 --> 34:14.000]  and that is an organization that Sal Costello created back, I think, in 2004.
[34:14.000 --> 34:17.000]  But basically what the attorneys have come to the conclusion is,
[34:17.000 --> 34:23.000]  is that Campo evidently does not have any legal authority to operate and do the things they do
[34:23.000 --> 34:29.000]  in making these decisions to create these toll road projects and finance the toll road projects,
[34:29.000 --> 34:31.000]  and I tend to agree with them.
[34:31.000 --> 34:34.000]  At first, Campo pointed to the governor.
[34:34.000 --> 34:39.000]  They pointed to Rick Perry and said, our authority comes from Rick Perry.
[34:39.000 --> 34:44.000]  And so the law firm, they went to Rick Perry's office
[34:44.000 --> 34:49.000]  and sought to see the documentation that would grant this authority,
[34:49.000 --> 34:55.000]  and the result was from Rick Perry's office that, no, we did not give Campo authority.
[34:55.000 --> 34:57.000]  So they left Campo out in the lurch.
[34:57.000 --> 35:02.000]  They left him out to dry, and I'm sure had Rick Perry said that, oh, yes, we gave them authority,
[35:02.000 --> 35:05.000]  then that would have been a big lawsuit there probably.
[35:05.000 --> 35:11.000]  But this is not my field of expertise, but what we need are for,
[35:11.000 --> 35:16.000]  we need to have plaintiffs that have been done harm by Campo.
[35:16.000 --> 35:23.000]  If you're up in the Cedar Park area, especially in the Cedar Park area around the old US 183
[35:23.000 --> 35:31.000]  and the new 183A in that area, or if you're up around SH45 in Williamson County, Travis County,
[35:31.000 --> 35:34.000]  wait a minute, let me fix where this is.
[35:34.000 --> 35:43.000]  I may have a really high dollar guy right in that area who's really concerned about this toll road issue.
[35:43.000 --> 35:44.000]  Right.
[35:44.000 --> 35:47.000]  He has like a $50 million aircraft company.
[35:47.000 --> 35:48.000]  Wow.
[35:48.000 --> 35:53.000]  And they're trying to swallow his facility in order to put in a toll road.
[35:53.000 --> 35:54.000]  Oh, man.
[35:54.000 --> 35:58.000]  Okay, well, that's the perfect person that we need is we need plaintiffs.
[35:58.000 --> 36:02.000]  The hearing is on this Thursday, Thursday the 15th.
[36:02.000 --> 36:05.000]  We need to get these folks in touch with these attorneys.
[36:05.000 --> 36:08.000]  What kind of hearing is this, Richard?
[36:08.000 --> 36:14.000]  The hearing is to say these lawyers need to come up with people that have standing.
[36:14.000 --> 36:17.000]  That's what they're being challenged by right now is basically Campo
[36:17.000 --> 36:20.000]  and the other entities that have been sued are coming back saying,
[36:20.000 --> 36:23.000]  well, you don't have anybody that has standing.
[36:23.000 --> 36:27.000]  Nobody has individually and separately been done harm by Campo.
[36:27.000 --> 36:31.000]  Okay, so they're already being sued.
[36:31.000 --> 36:33.000]  There's already plaintiffs that are suing them.
[36:33.000 --> 36:38.000]  And Campo is responding saying that these people don't have standing.
[36:38.000 --> 36:39.000]  Is that what's going on?
[36:39.000 --> 36:40.000]  Right.
[36:40.000 --> 36:42.000]  They're challenging on the plaintiff's standing,
[36:42.000 --> 36:48.000]  and so we need more people with the standing that have been individually and separately harmed
[36:48.000 --> 36:52.000]  and or damaged whether it be real estate issues like Randy referred to
[36:52.000 --> 36:57.000]  or maybe they had a business that went bankrupt or lost a lot of business
[36:57.000 --> 36:59.000]  because of the things that Campo's done.
[36:59.000 --> 37:01.000]  And I know those people are out there.
[37:01.000 --> 37:04.000]  I know they exist, and Randy just referred to one.
[37:04.000 --> 37:09.000]  So we need to network this right now and get these people that are damaged,
[37:09.000 --> 37:12.000]  past, present, future damage.
[37:12.000 --> 37:19.000]  Future, that's what I was, I'm here holding my tongue because I was just doing research today.
[37:19.000 --> 37:20.000]  Right.
[37:20.000 --> 37:31.000]  On issues that pointed to standing being created by the imminent, the potential for imminent harm.
[37:31.000 --> 37:32.000]  Right.
[37:32.000 --> 37:37.000]  And it's not like you can say, well, you know, they might spend $2 of my tax money.
[37:37.000 --> 37:38.000]  That's not it.
[37:38.000 --> 37:42.000]  But something that looks like it can, if they keep going in the direction they're going,
[37:42.000 --> 37:44.000]  they're going to roll right over the top of you.
[37:44.000 --> 37:45.000]  Well, that's great.
[37:45.000 --> 37:46.000]  Right.
[37:46.000 --> 37:52.000]  And for me to have to wait until they've swallowed me puts me in an untenable position.
[37:52.000 --> 37:57.000]  So if we have people that are in the path of what's coming,
[37:57.000 --> 38:04.000]  either directly in the path of the toll roads or directly in the path of eminent domain
[38:04.000 --> 38:14.000]  or directly in the path of financial devastation because of restrictive practices.
[38:14.000 --> 38:17.000]  Like a monopoly, Randy.
[38:17.000 --> 38:22.000]  Well, no, like them only putting exits in, to put it.
[38:22.000 --> 38:23.000]  They're having no exits.
[38:23.000 --> 38:36.000]  I think people to put business on their toll road and closing off all exits, all access to the local community.
[38:36.000 --> 38:40.000]  That's the kind of thing that can give people potential exits in the future.
[38:40.000 --> 38:45.000]  Well, this is great case law here because, you know, up until, you know,
[38:45.000 --> 38:50.000]  I guess this case that you're referring to, Randy, there already had to be harm.
[38:50.000 --> 38:57.000]  You already had to show that you had been damaged in order to have a standing legitimately in the lawsuit.
[38:57.000 --> 38:58.000]  Debra, let me interrupt just a second.
[38:58.000 --> 39:02.000]  The attorneys are looking for past, present, and future.
[39:02.000 --> 39:06.000]  They're looking for every tenth, every tenth of harm.
[39:06.000 --> 39:09.000]  So let's not leave out the future or let's not leave anybody out.
[39:09.000 --> 39:10.000]  Oh, absolutely not.
[39:10.000 --> 39:14.000]  And now we've got the case law to back it up, too.
[39:14.000 --> 39:17.000]  Let's not get the idea that you have to be harmed.
[39:17.000 --> 39:24.000]  If you can see the train coming at you, understanding you don't have to wait until it runs out.
[39:24.000 --> 39:24.000]  I know.
[39:24.000 --> 39:25.000]  This is great.
[39:25.000 --> 39:27.000]  This is great news.
[39:27.000 --> 39:27.000]  Right.
[39:27.000 --> 39:33.000]  So we need to get all tenths of past, present, future, anybody that's potentially a plaintiff,
[39:33.000 --> 39:38.000]  we need to get the word out, and, Randy, I'll be glad to, during the break or off the air,
[39:38.000 --> 39:40.000]  give you the number for the attorney.
[39:40.000 --> 39:46.000]  But in the meantime, if the listeners out there are potential plaintiffs or no potential plaintiffs,
[39:46.000 --> 39:54.000]  then the person to contact right now would be the TexansAgainstTolls.com coordinator,
[39:54.000 --> 40:04.000]  TexansAgainstTolls.com, and her number, this is for Mary, her number is 4513914.
[40:04.000 --> 40:10.000]  And, of course, that's area code 512-451-3914.
[40:10.000 --> 40:13.000]  And Mary has graciously agreed to take calls on this issue.
[40:13.000 --> 40:19.000]  So if you're potentially being harmed by what Campo has done with regard to toll roads
[40:19.000 --> 40:24.000]  and other transportation projects, we desperately need you guys to stand up
[40:24.000 --> 40:30.000]  and be plaintiffs in this lawsuit, and we need to identify that you have standing.
[40:30.000 --> 40:35.000]  And if you even just know somebody else that's in that boat, network it, contact them,
[40:35.000 --> 40:40.000]  get them in touch with Mary, and then she's got the number for the attorney and can connect you there.
[40:40.000 --> 40:44.000]  And, Randy, I'll be glad, like I said, during the break or some other time,
[40:44.000 --> 40:46.000]  to give you the direct number for the attorney.
[40:46.000 --> 40:47.000]  Okay.
[40:47.000 --> 40:54.000]  And there's something I would like to remark on, this Mary.
[40:54.000 --> 41:02.000]  You know, we sit back and think we're just one of the member of the masses, but we are not.
[41:02.000 --> 41:15.000]  We have Mary sitting here who is in a position to be a dramatically powerful force against big money.
[41:15.000 --> 41:17.000]  And she's not a large conglomeration.
[41:17.000 --> 41:23.000]  She's just a human being who positioned herself to make a difference.
[41:23.000 --> 41:29.000]  We can all do that, especially in these times with the Internet
[41:29.000 --> 41:35.000]  giving us the access to effective communications with other like-minded people.
[41:35.000 --> 41:41.000]  If anybody out there thinks they are just one of the masses, forget that noise.
[41:41.000 --> 41:44.000]  You're only one of the masses because you choose to.
[41:44.000 --> 41:51.000]  Anybody who looks to be affected by this, all you have to do is step up
[41:51.000 --> 41:55.000]  and take a little effort, and we can make a tremendous difference.
[41:55.000 --> 42:02.000]  With 8% to 10% of the people going to the polls, the politicians feel like they can do anything.
[42:02.000 --> 42:08.000]  And because of that, when a singular and solitary person goes to our politicians
[42:08.000 --> 42:15.000]  and just climbs down their throats, they have tremendous influence.
[42:15.000 --> 42:21.000]  So, by all means, stand up, speak out, be heard.
[42:21.000 --> 42:27.000]  The thing that was frightening me earlier when I talked about my Spidey Sims is I'm thinking,
[42:27.000 --> 42:33.000]  is this really the people standing up and kicking these guys in their behind?
[42:33.000 --> 42:36.000]  Yeah, it is. It really is this time.
[42:36.000 --> 42:38.000]  If it is, then wonderful.
[42:38.000 --> 42:41.000]  It really is, Randy. It really, really is.
[42:41.000 --> 42:46.000]  We have been working on this, on stopping the trans-Texas corridor for many years.
[42:46.000 --> 42:51.000]  You kind of came into the fold a couple of years ago when we started this show here,
[42:51.000 --> 42:57.000]  and you've been so focused for the last 30 years on kicking behind in the criminal justice system
[42:57.000 --> 43:02.000]  that you may not have been aware of what's been going on with some of these other issues.
[43:02.000 --> 43:06.000]  But yeah, this time it really is because we the people stopped it.
[43:06.000 --> 43:08.000]  We made a difference.
[43:08.000 --> 43:12.000]  We were able to make enough of a difference to turn this thing into a political football
[43:12.000 --> 43:17.000]  in the media that the politicians didn't want to be associated with it.
[43:17.000 --> 43:20.000]  So yeah, of course they're going to still try to get away with it somehow,
[43:20.000 --> 43:25.000]  but we have been able to stop it at the state level, at least that's what it looks like.
[43:25.000 --> 43:28.000]  Good. The time is right.
[43:28.000 --> 43:34.000]  With the Internet, George Orwell wrote 1984, he never imagined the Internet.
[43:34.000 --> 43:38.000]  So he gave us the power. We can actually get this done.
[43:38.000 --> 43:41.000]  Yep, yep. All right, listen, stay with us.
[43:41.000 --> 43:44.000]  Richard, I want to talk about some other stuff on the other side.
[43:44.000 --> 43:47.000]  I have a couple of questions. Okay, we'll be right back.
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[45:23.000 --> 45:27.000]  All right, we're talking about Campo and their lack of authority.
[45:27.000 --> 45:29.000]  It's basically non-existent.
[45:29.000 --> 45:34.000]  We can't find any statute that brought them into being as a state agency,
[45:34.000 --> 45:40.000]  and what it's looking like to us is that they are a private policy board,
[45:40.000 --> 45:46.000]  like these think tanks at the federal level, like the Council on Foreign Relations.
[45:46.000 --> 45:51.000]  Okay, you've got all these think tanks, these policy advisory councils
[45:51.000 --> 45:57.000]  that have really nice alphabet agency sounding type of names,
[45:57.000 --> 46:01.000]  like they sound like part of the alphabet soup of bureaucracies,
[46:01.000 --> 46:03.000]  but they're not bureaucracies.
[46:03.000 --> 46:05.000]  They're not part of the government.
[46:05.000 --> 46:08.000]  This is part of the secret government.
[46:08.000 --> 46:12.000]  This is part of the invisible government that Webster Tarpley talks about in his book
[46:12.000 --> 46:14.000]  and when he talks about in his speeches.
[46:14.000 --> 46:20.000]  These policy advisory councils are part of the invisible government
[46:20.000 --> 46:23.000]  that is pulling the strings of the politicians,
[46:23.000 --> 46:28.000]  and Campo looks like they fall into that category.
[46:28.000 --> 46:32.000]  Eddie, would you please tell us what you've been reading,
[46:32.000 --> 46:34.000]  what you've found about Campo so far?
[46:34.000 --> 46:38.000]  Well, from what I can tell, they're completely separate from government.
[46:38.000 --> 46:45.000]  If they are a think tank, they're not government-organized as far as what brought them into being.
[46:45.000 --> 46:48.000]  But now, if I'm understanding what I'm hearing correctly,
[46:48.000 --> 46:53.000]  each and every one of these people is a state employee?
[46:53.000 --> 46:56.000]  No, some are private, I believe.
[46:56.000 --> 46:57.000]  Some are private, I believe.
[46:57.000 --> 46:59.000]  In the fact that they're elected officials.
[46:59.000 --> 47:03.000]  Most of them are elected officials, but there are, I think, one or two members that are from TechStat.
[47:03.000 --> 47:07.000]  Yeah, there's TechStat, and there's a few city council members,
[47:07.000 --> 47:09.000]  and there's a few county commissioners.
[47:09.000 --> 47:12.000]  Wait a minute, are these elected officials?
[47:12.000 --> 47:13.000]  Yes, Randy.
[47:13.000 --> 47:18.000]  Wait a minute, acting in their official capacity,
[47:18.000 --> 47:21.000]  or is this a separate capacity that's not official?
[47:21.000 --> 47:25.000]  No, we think this is a separate capacity that's not official,
[47:25.000 --> 47:28.000]  but they are all elected officials.
[47:28.000 --> 47:31.000]  Okay, here's what I was getting at with that.
[47:31.000 --> 47:37.000]  If I'm not mistaken, the state constitution says that any time an elected official assumes a position
[47:37.000 --> 47:43.000]  that involves being paid other than the one for which they are elected,
[47:43.000 --> 47:46.000]  they are abdicating their office.
[47:46.000 --> 47:49.000]  I don't know if these people are getting paid to be on the Campo board.
[47:49.000 --> 47:53.000]  Yeah, that goes to more than one position of public command.
[47:53.000 --> 47:56.000]  I don't think these people are getting paid to be on the Campo board.
[47:56.000 --> 47:57.000]  It's just all about power.
[47:57.000 --> 48:01.000]  There is still a question of separation of powers,
[48:01.000 --> 48:06.000]  because they're working at what appears to be an executive branch of government,
[48:06.000 --> 48:08.000]  but they're also part of the legislative body,
[48:08.000 --> 48:12.000]  so they do appear to be in violation of separation of powers.
[48:12.000 --> 48:14.000]  Really? Good point.
[48:14.000 --> 48:17.000]  That would also be true.
[48:17.000 --> 48:24.000]  That's another facet of the lawsuit that got going on here against Campo.
[48:24.000 --> 48:27.000]  Wait a minute, these are attorneys?
[48:27.000 --> 48:28.000]  Right.
[48:28.000 --> 48:30.000]  How did they get that spark?
[48:30.000 --> 48:32.000]  Well, these are good guys.
[48:32.000 --> 48:33.000]  These are good guys.
[48:33.000 --> 48:34.000]  Oh, good guys. Wonderful.
[48:34.000 --> 48:36.000]  There are some good attorneys out there, Randy.
[48:36.000 --> 48:37.000]  We've had a couple on the show recently.
[48:37.000 --> 48:41.000]  I think more and more good attorneys are starting to come out of the woodwork,
[48:41.000 --> 48:43.000]  because the people are rising up,
[48:43.000 --> 48:48.000]  and so the attorneys are able to feel more comfortable about doing the right thing,
[48:48.000 --> 48:55.000]  because there's just so many of us now that just aren't going to take it anymore.
[48:55.000 --> 48:56.000]  Eddie, go ahead.
[48:56.000 --> 48:58.000]  You were trying to get out your assessment.
[48:58.000 --> 49:00.000]  Yeah, go ahead, Eddie.
[49:00.000 --> 49:06.000]  Well, I was just saying that if that's true, then that's one thing to take them up on.
[49:06.000 --> 49:08.000]  The other would be the division of powers,
[49:08.000 --> 49:13.000]  if these are actually all public employees from different branches of the government,
[49:13.000 --> 49:16.000]  this is an absolutely forbidden act.
[49:16.000 --> 49:18.000]  Oh, yeah, all different branches of government.
[49:18.000 --> 49:20.000]  Some are local officials.
[49:20.000 --> 49:22.000]  Some are county officials.
[49:22.000 --> 49:25.000]  Some are state officials, like Kirk Watson.
[49:25.000 --> 49:29.000]  Some are from bureaucratic agencies, like tech stocks.
[49:29.000 --> 49:35.000]  It's a mixed bag, to say the least, and hardly none of them,
[49:35.000 --> 49:41.000]  almost none of them on the board are worth anything, in my opinion.
[49:41.000 --> 49:48.000]  You know how you really take a newspaper, roll it up, and smack the dog on the nose when it does something wrong?
[49:48.000 --> 49:54.000]  I think we need to take this dog and bend it over and stick something a lot harder on it,
[49:54.000 --> 50:01.000]  because if we don't stop letting these people run roughshod over the document we put in place to control them,
[50:01.000 --> 50:03.000]  we shouldn't be surprised when they burn it to the ground.
[50:03.000 --> 50:05.000]  Absolutely.
[50:05.000 --> 50:13.000]  Well, now, this is why Campo and the other defendants are doing every trick administratively through the courts
[50:13.000 --> 50:18.000]  to get this lawsuit thrown out, to get a dismissal, to get a summary judgment, et cetera.
[50:18.000 --> 50:21.000]  So that's what they're doing is they know that they're in big trouble,
[50:21.000 --> 50:26.000]  so they're trying to seize on any point that they can possibly get a dismissal.
[50:26.000 --> 50:36.000]  So that's why we need people to call in to Mary 451-3914, that's their code, 512-451-3914.
[50:36.000 --> 50:43.000]  If you've been harmed, past, present, or future by Campo and its activities with toll roads,
[50:43.000 --> 50:48.000]  especially Cedar Park area, I know people are up there in Cedar Park, 183-183A.
[50:48.000 --> 50:51.000]  I know people have been run down in the past.
[50:51.000 --> 50:52.000]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[50:52.000 --> 50:59.000]  Harm, how much harm do you have to have?
[50:59.000 --> 51:05.000]  Well, see, this issue came up, and it's primarily going to be the dollar amount.
[51:05.000 --> 51:10.000]  It's kind of vague, but if it's especially dealing with real estate like you cited earlier,
[51:10.000 --> 51:12.000]  dealing with lost amount of business.
[51:12.000 --> 51:14.000]  That's not where I'm going.
[51:14.000 --> 51:23.000]  If you live up in that area and you pay taxes for the maintenance of the roads and highways,
[51:23.000 --> 51:35.000]  and these guys will take the roads and highways you've paid taxes to create and maintain
[51:35.000 --> 51:37.000]  and turn those into toll roads.
[51:37.000 --> 51:39.000]  That's what they've been trying to do for years.
[51:39.000 --> 51:41.000]  Have you not been harmed?
[51:41.000 --> 51:44.000]  Have you not faced the specter of harm?
[51:44.000 --> 51:51.000]  Does harm start at a dollar or two dollars, five dollars?
[51:51.000 --> 51:55.000]  See, I drive a taxi, and so that was my statement.
[51:55.000 --> 51:56.000]  I've been harmed.
[51:56.000 --> 52:00.000]  They waste my time and money with some of the things that they've done,
[52:00.000 --> 52:06.000]  and I cite specific cases, specific on and off ramps, specific locations, all that.
[52:06.000 --> 52:12.000]  But basically what the attorneys were saying is that, look, if it harms everybody,
[52:12.000 --> 52:15.000]  then they're not going to give a standing on that.
[52:15.000 --> 52:17.000]  They want individual and separate.
[52:17.000 --> 52:23.000]  Yeah, the court's not going to let all taxpayers have standing.
[52:23.000 --> 52:26.000]  No, no, no, not all taxpayers.
[52:26.000 --> 52:33.000]  But if you're a taxi driver and they take out exits,
[52:33.000 --> 52:37.000]  well, if you're a taxi driver, you won't have one have the harm
[52:37.000 --> 52:39.000]  because you'll get paid to go to the next taxi.
[52:39.000 --> 52:40.000]  Yeah, yeah.
[52:40.000 --> 52:49.000]  But if I'm a commuter, they take out an exit that I have used.
[52:49.000 --> 52:53.000]  I have an easement on that exit.
[52:53.000 --> 52:58.000]  Well, I think there might be an easier route, depreciation of property value.
[52:58.000 --> 52:59.000]  That too, but...
[52:59.000 --> 53:02.000]  I think that's going a little bit too broad.
[53:02.000 --> 53:07.000]  I think that's a little bit too general for what these attorneys are asking for.
[53:07.000 --> 53:09.000]  This is the nature of harm.
[53:09.000 --> 53:11.000]  Let me give you a good example of harm.
[53:11.000 --> 53:17.000]  Guy has a newspaper stand in a high-rise building.
[53:17.000 --> 53:24.000]  He walks from his home across an empty lot, this is in New York, to his newspaper stand.
[53:24.000 --> 53:29.000]  The company bought the empty lot that had been empty for 20 years
[53:29.000 --> 53:31.000]  and put a high-rise building on it.
[53:31.000 --> 53:36.000]  The newspaper guy sued him because he had an easement,
[53:36.000 --> 53:42.000]  and they had to either open a breezeway through the building
[53:42.000 --> 53:46.000]  so he could use his easement or make a deal with him,
[53:46.000 --> 53:49.000]  and they gave him a free newspaper stand in the building.
[53:49.000 --> 53:58.000]  So if I buy a house out here because I have access to a limited access highway,
[53:58.000 --> 54:01.000]  a highway belonging to the state,
[54:01.000 --> 54:08.000]  and I can commute back and forth via this ramp, this entrance ramp,
[54:08.000 --> 54:12.000]  and you make it a toll road and close that ramp,
[54:12.000 --> 54:15.000]  or make it a toll road and increase my cost.
[54:15.000 --> 54:16.000]  I have been harmed.
[54:16.000 --> 54:22.000]  The issue of harm is not how much, only that.
[54:22.000 --> 54:23.000]  I agree.
[54:23.000 --> 54:27.000]  That's not a general harm on everybody.
[54:27.000 --> 54:33.000]  Right, and here's another issue that I was considering too about this Campo thing.
[54:33.000 --> 54:40.000]  If we can show that they are using state funds for anything,
[54:40.000 --> 54:44.000]  I mean, say for example, their Campo meetings,
[54:44.000 --> 54:51.000]  if they're using city property or any kind of public property to hold their meetings
[54:51.000 --> 54:54.000]  and the taxpayers are paying for that,
[54:54.000 --> 54:59.000]  then this may be slightly unrelated to this lawsuit, or it may not be,
[54:59.000 --> 55:03.000]  but we've been harmed because they're not a government agency
[55:03.000 --> 55:08.000]  and there's misappropriation of funds going on if the taxpayers are even paying
[55:08.000 --> 55:14.000]  to foot the bill for the electricity in these public venues
[55:14.000 --> 55:18.000]  where they're holding their Campo meetings because they're not part of government.
[55:18.000 --> 55:25.000]  That's only applicable if the particular location is not made available
[55:25.000 --> 55:32.000]  to the general public or others in similar circumstances.
[55:32.000 --> 55:35.000]  But if they are given special treatment, absolutely.
[55:35.000 --> 55:38.000]  And all those cases are probably the case.
[55:38.000 --> 55:39.000]  That's probably true.
[55:39.000 --> 55:43.000]  I think Campo does pay for public facilities that are not available.
[55:43.000 --> 55:47.000]  Well, actually, there are state facilities that are not available to the public.
[55:47.000 --> 55:50.000]  I think they do pay for that, but then you just go upstream and say,
[55:50.000 --> 55:52.000]  okay, well, where are they getting the money to pay for that to start with?
[55:52.000 --> 55:55.000]  That's where I was going with this.
[55:55.000 --> 56:03.000]  That's where I was going with this is if Campo is spending any money on anything,
[56:03.000 --> 56:10.000]  where are they getting the money from if they're not a government agency?
[56:10.000 --> 56:15.000]  If we can show that there's a money trail leading back to taxpayer funds,
[56:15.000 --> 56:19.000]  then these guys are in big, big trouble.
[56:19.000 --> 56:23.000]  And I don't see them going around having fundraisers for themselves either.
[56:23.000 --> 56:30.000]  So I would think it's highly likely that they are using taxpayer funds illegitimately.
[56:30.000 --> 56:34.000]  And I do want to go to subject matter jurisdiction.
[56:34.000 --> 56:36.000]  Jurisdiction.
[56:36.000 --> 56:41.000]  If Campo is doing anything other than advising,
[56:41.000 --> 56:50.000]  and if they are advising and the departments they are advising
[56:50.000 --> 56:56.000]  are taking their advisement as doctrine,
[56:56.000 --> 57:00.000]  then we go to subject matter jurisdiction.
[57:00.000 --> 57:06.000]  And I have a different way of addressing subject matter jurisdiction than most attorneys do.
[57:06.000 --> 57:17.000]  It's in the mindset of the attorney to object to call the issue a subject matter jurisdiction.
[57:17.000 --> 57:19.000]  I don't do it that way.
[57:19.000 --> 57:22.000]  I had someone come to me with a credit card issue,
[57:22.000 --> 57:25.000]  and they were sued by the credit card company,
[57:25.000 --> 57:31.000]  and they showed me the original petition in the lawsuit.
[57:31.000 --> 57:37.000]  And I noticed that the original petition was not verified.
[57:37.000 --> 57:41.000]  What that means is the original petition not being verified
[57:41.000 --> 57:45.000]  is insufficient to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[57:45.000 --> 57:48.000]  So how do you challenge the subject matter jurisdiction of the court?
[57:48.000 --> 57:55.000]  Do you file a motion and say, oh, blah, blah, you don't have subject matter jurisdiction?
[57:55.000 --> 57:57.000]  No.
[57:57.000 --> 58:03.000]  What we do is, is what we did in this one, is file a cross complaint against the judge
[58:03.000 --> 58:07.000]  accusing him of impersonating a public official.
[58:07.000 --> 58:12.000]  If these guys don't have jurisdiction to do what they're doing,
[58:12.000 --> 58:14.000]  then we go after them directly.
[58:14.000 --> 58:21.000]  Yeah, we have to study their actions because if they're acting in the capacity of a policy advisory council,
[58:21.000 --> 58:25.000]  then we can't really nail them on that.
[58:25.000 --> 58:31.000]  But if the people they're advising have been ordered to take their advice as directives,
[58:31.000 --> 58:32.000]  then that puts them out.
[58:32.000 --> 58:34.000]  Oh, yes, that's absolutely true.
[58:34.000 --> 58:36.000]  All right, listen, we're at the top of the hour.
[58:36.000 --> 58:37.000]  We're going to break.
[58:37.000 --> 58:40.000]  We have a short three-minute break with the top of the hour news,
[58:40.000 --> 58:44.000]  and we'll be back with Richard Reeves, Eddie Craig, Randy Kelton, Deborah Stevens.
[58:44.000 --> 58:45.000]  This is the rule of law.
[58:45.000 --> 58:50.000]  Callers, if you'd like to call in and ask some questions about these topics or other topics,
[58:50.000 --> 58:59.000]  the number is 512-646-1984, and the listener line is 512-485-9010.
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[59:50.000 --> 01:00:05.000]  This news brief brought to you by the International Newsnet.
[01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:14.000]  Afghanistan's ambassador to the U.S. says Pakistan's ISI spy agency was behind the attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul Thursday,
[01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.000]  which killed 17 people.
[01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:25.000]  A military exercise that Israel, the U.S., NATO, Turkey, and Italy were scheduled to conduct this week was canceled Sunday.
[01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:33.000]  The cause was displeasure over Turkey's decision to withdraw from the maneuver due to Israel's planned participation.
[01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:40.000]  Turkey says the planes Israel would have been using in all likelihood were those that bombed Gaza.
[01:00:40.000 --> 01:00:49.000]  The Palestinian Authority says that these 25 lawmakers and two former ministers are still being held in Israeli prisons under appalling conditions.
[01:00:49.000 --> 01:01:00.000]  More than 11,500 Palestinians, including women and children, are imprisoned in Israeli detention facilities.
[01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:07.000]  Taliban fighters staged a deadly daylight attack on the Pakistani army headquarters in Rawalpindi Saturday.
[01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:18.000]  The attack was a stunning security breach as the Pakistani military prepares an all-out assault against the Taliban and al-Qaeda stronghold of South Waziristan.
[01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.000]  Three hostages and four gunmen were killed.
[01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:27.000]  Analysts said the attack served as a warning by insurgents that the military must rethink its plans.
[01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:36.000]  The ambush was the boldest of recent bloody assaults in a nation the Obama administration views as crucial to its fight against terrorism.
[01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:49.000]  The U.S. has approved a significant boost in aid to Pakistan in return for doing more to defeat militants who use its lawless border region to mount attacks on NATO forces in Afghanistan.
[01:01:49.000 --> 01:02:05.000]  But rebels are also increasingly striking within Pakistan, raising the specter of a dissident's foothold beyond the frontier areas and threatening the stability of a nuclear-armed nation led by a weak government.
[01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:15.000]  In Iraq Sunday, three car bombings targeted a police station and a government headquarters in the provincial capital of Ramadi, killing 25 people.
[01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:27.000]  Violence in Anbar province had fallen sharply in the past year after local tribal leaders, backed by U.S. forces, defeated a homegrown al-Qaeda group and other militants.
[01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:40.000]  Rad Sabah, a leader of the U.S.-backed militia that fought the insurgency in Ramadi, said the security forces are negligent, adding they are busy with politics and the elections and their own business deals.
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:43.000]  It was not known who was behind the attacks.
[01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:53.000]  Some suggested government officials were involved, part of the fallout from months of negotiations over creating alliances for Iraq's January elections.
[01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:58.000]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:51.000]  Alright, we are back, hour two of The Rule of Law.
[01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:56.000]  And our special guest, Richard Reed, is going to have to sign off here.
[01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:00.000]  Richard, thank you very much for staying with us for this past hour.
[01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:05.000]  And just give us any closing comments that you may have, any websites you want to plug.
[01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:12.000]  Well, Deborah, Randy and Eddie, I want to thank you guys for coming on and letting me come on on y'all's program and talk about this.
[01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:18.000]  And believe it or not, even though we spent a little over an hour, we really only scratch the surface about all the things that are going on.
[01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:25.000]  And so I'd like to invite folks to tune in 8 p.m. for the Radio Free Oklahoma program where I'll be filling in.
[01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:30.000]  I'll be talking about the Deborah Medina for Governor campaign, a very winnable race.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:38.000]  For those that don't know, it sounds ridiculous at first to even think about winning the governor's race as a patriot, but Deborah Medina actually can do it.
[01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:44.000]  Her website, medinafortexas.com, medinafortexas.com.
[01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:55.000]  And lastly, I want to ask that anybody that has potentially been harmed by Camp O, past, present or potentially future, we need plaintiffs to have standing.
[01:04:55.000 --> 01:05:03.000]  In this case, the hearing is this Thursday, October 15th, so that we are just right at the deadline basically.
[01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:14.000]  And call, if you're in this situation or know of somebody else in that situation, call 451-3914, 451-3914.
[01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.000]  And that's the phone number for Mary and of course that's her code, 512.
[01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:23.000]  Her website, texansagainsttolls.com, texansagainsttolls.com.
[01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:30.000]  She's been a great anti-Toll Road activist and she's helped on this trans-Texas corridor,
[01:05:30.000 --> 01:05:35.000]  and so many Camp O meetings, legislative hearings, Mary and Morris Priest,
[01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:43.000]  so many people here locally that I can just thank, including you Deborah and Randy, for being activists against these issues.
[01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:47.000]  So it's just exciting to see all the work that we're doing coming to fruition.
[01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:52.000]  This lawsuit could potentially annihilate Camp O and all the things that they've done.
[01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:56.000]  Who knows what the future would be for these existing toll roads they've already had.
[01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:02.000]  My premise is that we need to take tolls off all these roads so we can fully utilize this infrastructure.
[01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:05.000]  But, you know, that's down the road somewhere I think that that will happen.
[01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.000]  But thanks once again, Randy, Deborah and Eddie, for having me on.
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:10.000]  Oh, thank you, Richard.
[01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.000]  Yeah, and for listeners out there who may be driving the car right now, listening on the radio,
[01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.000]  and not able to take down this information, the website or the phone,
[01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:26.000]  you guys can send us an email, either myself or Randy, and we'll forward your name along to this group,
[01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:33.000]  if you want to be a plaintiff, if you think you may be harmed future, present or past by Camp O.
[01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:41.000]  Right, if you pay tolls every day, or if you're using a highway that's not a toll road,
[01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:46.000]  you need to look and see if that highway is about to become a toll road.
[01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:51.000]  And, you know, the Supreme Court is real quick to say,
[01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.000]  yo, Bubba, you don't have any standing costs, you've been harmed.
[01:06:55.000 --> 01:07:01.000]  Well, the problem is, is the amount of harm is not specified.
[01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:02.000]  Yep.
[01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:10.000]  So if you have to pay two tolls that you otherwise wouldn't have to pay, you've been harmed.
[01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:11.000]  Yep.
[01:07:11.000 --> 01:07:15.000]  All right, well, Richard, thank you very much for joining us tonight.
[01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:21.000]  Let me comment on what Randy last said, because, like I said, I made my case as being a person that's harmed,
[01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:27.000]  and, Randy, I don't always get paid, because if I'm empty, if I'm deadheading between clients,
[01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:34.000]  that's when I get harmed, is when my time is wasted or I have to go extra distance to a client.
[01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:42.000]  You have to pay extra money that you've already paid in taxes to maintain these roads,
[01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:47.000]  and then you have to pay it again in a toll to some private company.
[01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:50.000]  That's actually articulatable harm.
[01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:51.000]  Right.
[01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:56.000]  But they said since everybody is in that boat, that they'll say, well, that's not standing.
[01:07:56.000 --> 01:08:00.000]  It needs to be individual and separate harm, which would be involving...
[01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:03.000]  No, it isn't individual and separate harm.
[01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:06.000]  I'm not in that standing, in that boat.
[01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:10.000]  I don't take toll roads to work it back, so I'm not in it.
[01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:17.000]  Now, if this is something that affected every citizen in the state of Texas, then we wouldn't have standing.
[01:08:17.000 --> 01:08:24.000]  But there is a group that uses those roads and has to pay that extra toll.
[01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:29.000]  I don't know if any person who uses the toll road is going to have standing here.
[01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:34.000]  Absolutely, they do, because everybody doesn't use the toll roads.
[01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:41.000]  Now, the courts, they do this song and dance to say if it affects everybody,
[01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:44.000]  then it doesn't affect a single individual.
[01:08:44.000 --> 01:08:51.000]  But in this case, it's only toll roads, so it doesn't affect people who don't use toll roads.
[01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:54.000]  Well, it does affect people that do not use toll roads.
[01:08:54.000 --> 01:08:59.000]  That's been one of my arguments, is that the fact that toll roads guarantee...
[01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:01.000]  Yeah, theoretically it does, but...
[01:09:01.000 --> 01:09:05.000]  Hold on, hold on, Richard, wait a second, Randy, I wanted to hear what Richard was going to say.
[01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:08.000]  What are you saying, Richard, about how it affects people that don't use it?
[01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:12.000]  It does affect, for example, here in Austin, we need a bypass real bad.
[01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:15.000]  SH-130 is supposed to be our bypass.
[01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.000]  It has tolls on there.
[01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:24.000]  Therefore, a lot of the through traffic in Austin will not take SH-130 as an alternate route because of the tolls.
[01:09:24.000 --> 01:09:30.000]  So they're out on I-35 helping create this congestion nightmare that we have in Austin.
[01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:33.000]  Exactly, that is what creates standing.
[01:09:33.000 --> 01:09:37.000]  Now, everybody doesn't need to use the bypass.
[01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:44.000]  Those people who do need to use the bypass fall into that group who have standing.
[01:09:44.000 --> 01:09:52.000]  And because a lot of people are in that group, that doesn't make any difference, as long as everybody's not in the group.
[01:09:52.000 --> 01:09:56.000]  Well, the thing is, they're two different groups, I think is what Richard's saying.
[01:09:56.000 --> 01:10:04.000]  You know, you've got the people who would want to use the bypass or need to use the bypass because they need to head that direction or whatever.
[01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:07.000]  All right, and they're taking I-35 instead.
[01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:10.000]  Yes, from what you're saying, Randy, that would be one group of standing.
[01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:17.000]  But what Richard's saying is that the other group, the people who don't take the bypass, they're harmed, too,
[01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:23.000]  because I don't need to take the bypass, but the people who do need to take the bypass aren't using it.
[01:10:23.000 --> 01:10:31.000]  So they're congesting I-35 and it's taking me longer to get to work and I'm having to sit in traffic for an hour
[01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:38.000]  because these other people that are on I-35 right now alongside me should be taking the bypass and they're not.
[01:10:38.000 --> 01:10:39.000]  No, that won't give you standing.
[01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:45.000]  Well, it may not give you standing in court, but the point is it's still a harm to the rest of us.
[01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:54.000]  I understand, but I'm trying to articulate the difference between the harms that will give you standing and the harms that won't.
[01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:55.000]  Right.
[01:10:55.000 --> 01:11:03.000]  Every human being who drives I-35 in this congested traffic is subject to the same condition.
[01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:09.000]  There's not a separate group, so none of them have standing.
[01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:17.000]  But those who would use the bypass and would have to pay to use the bypass, whether they take it or not, they're harmed.
[01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:18.000]  Right.
[01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:23.000]  If they take it, they pay extra. If they don't take it to keep from paying extra,
[01:11:23.000 --> 01:11:27.000]  they are a separate group out from the general population.
[01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:33.000]  And all of you who would have to use that tollway who either use it or refuse to use it,
[01:11:33.000 --> 01:11:40.000]  if it's more convenient to you, whether you use it or not, you are harmed.
[01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.000]  So you fall into the group.
[01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:43.000]  All right.
[01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:46.000]  Well, thank you very much for joining us tonight, Richard.
[01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:48.000]  You stay longer than you planned.
[01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:49.000]  Thank you all once again.
[01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:50.000]  I really appreciate it.
[01:11:50.000 --> 01:11:52.000]  Look forward to being on the air at 8 o'clock Wednesday.
[01:11:52.000 --> 01:11:53.000]  8 o'clock Wednesday.
[01:11:53.000 --> 01:11:54.000]  Richard Sillian for Radio Free Oklahoma.
[01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:56.000]  Radio Free Oklahoma will be back next week.
[01:11:56.000 --> 01:11:57.000]  All right.
[01:11:57.000 --> 01:11:58.000]  We'll talk to you later, Richard.
[01:11:58.000 --> 01:11:59.000]  Thanks.
[01:11:59.000 --> 01:12:00.000]  Bye-bye.
[01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:01.000]  Okay, bye.
[01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:08.000]  We are going to talk about red light cameras and how they go to bills of attainder,
[01:12:08.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  which is prohibited under Constitution.
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:16.000]  So, Eddie, you want to address this issue?
[01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:17.000]  Do we have Eddie?
[01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:18.000]  I think we do.
[01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:19.000]  Yeah, Eddie's here.
[01:12:19.000 --> 01:12:20.000]  Okay.
[01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:28.000]  I got to thinking about how this situation was going to work with everything on the red light camera side
[01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:34.000]  being separated from the transportation code and becoming a civil administrative hearing.
[01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:38.000]  So I got to looking up what I could find for case law dealing with that,
[01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:43.000]  and it turns out that the definition of a bill of attainder according to the court,
[01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:50.000]  the United States Supreme Court, is replacing a judicial determination of guilt
[01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:55.000]  with a legislative or administrative determination of guilt.
[01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.000]  That's what a red light camera does.
[01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:03.000]  It makes a legislative determination of guilt or an administrative determination of guilt,
[01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:07.000]  sends you a bill for that determination and says, come pay it.
[01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.000]  There is no judicial review of this decision.
[01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:12.000]  Come pay it.
[01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:17.000]  And the only recourse you have is to take it to an administrative judge.
[01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:22.000]  So that, in fact, is the definition of a bill of attainder.
[01:13:22.000 --> 01:13:33.000]  You are attained, and attained means you are a judge to be guilty of some offense
[01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:45.000]  or lesser than the common population without a legitimate hearing to determine that.
[01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:49.000]  And that's what bill of attainder goes to being attained to be.
[01:13:49.000 --> 01:13:59.000]  If you are a felon, it's like saying that if someone is homeless,
[01:13:59.000 --> 01:14:03.000]  then they can be put in jail.
[01:14:03.000 --> 01:14:07.000]  By being homeless, you are attained.
[01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:14.000]  You are a judge to be guilty of some offense that would subject you to mistreatment
[01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:20.000]  that the general public is not subject to.
[01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:30.000]  And in this case, if an electronic camera takes a photograph of your automobile
[01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:39.000]  and that automobile appears to be passing through a red light, then you are attained.
[01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:51.000]  You are a judged guilty of some offense without any kind of judicial tribunal.
[01:14:51.000 --> 01:15:06.000]  And you must go before the tribunal and not have a judicial hearing on your guilt or innocence,
[01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:12.000]  but simply show why you should not be punished for this horrendous offense.
[01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:20.000]  And that appears to be precisely what the red light camera issue goes to.
[01:15:20.000 --> 01:15:25.000]  It's not apparent on the surface at first glance,
[01:15:25.000 --> 01:15:30.000]  but as you look closer at it, you're clearly a judged guilty.
[01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:38.000]  And according to the people that have actually received them, they say that printed across the front of the ticket is you are guilty.
[01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:44.000]  It's already on the ticket that you're sent, that you have already been a judged guilty.
[01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:52.000]  And don't worry, folks, just by taking that off the front of the ticket does not alter what they're doing.
[01:15:52.000 --> 01:15:54.000]  It's not what they say.
[01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:57.000]  Wow, this is incredible.
[01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.000]  I mean, I instinctively knew this all along.
[01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:03.000]  But yeah, when you really look at it, that's what they're doing.
[01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.000]  This is a bill of attainder. There's no question about it.
[01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:12.000]  That's what in Montana they claim that this amounted to guilt by ownership.
[01:16:12.000 --> 01:16:18.000]  And guilt by ownership goes exactly to an attainder.
[01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:27.000]  Wow. Looking through attainder, the guys who were, this attainder was around before the Magna Carta.
[01:16:27.000 --> 01:16:36.000]  And any time the king didn't like somebody that opposed him, he would file an attainder against him.
[01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:41.000]  And all of his lands and everything were forfeited simply because of who he was.
[01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:44.000]  OK, listen, we're going to break. I want to talk about what we can do about this on the other side.
[01:16:44.000 --> 01:16:48.000]  People who have gotten red light camera tickets, maybe they could take this into court
[01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.000]  and sue over the fact that it's a bill of attainder.
[01:16:51.000 --> 01:17:00.000]  We'll be right back. Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984.
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[01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:19.000]  Ouch, my hand a little sideways.
[01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:33.320]  Okay, we are back.
[01:18:33.320 --> 01:18:35.760]  We're not going to fall for these same old tricks again.
[01:18:35.760 --> 01:18:36.760]  Here we go.
[01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:41.660]  The same old tricks and one of their big tricks in the fields of a tinder, okay?
[01:18:41.660 --> 01:18:47.020]  And so, all right, Randy, Eddie, maybe you guys could comment on if somebody has received
[01:18:47.020 --> 01:18:53.840]  one of these red light camera tickets, can they sue, is there a cause of action here
[01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:58.160]  to go into court because it's a bill of a tinder and how would somebody go about doing
[01:18:58.160 --> 01:18:59.160]  this?
[01:18:59.160 --> 01:19:00.160]  Yes, it is.
[01:19:00.160 --> 01:19:06.600]  According to O'Connor, a violation of a self-enacting clause of the state constitution is a cause
[01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:07.600]  of action.
[01:19:07.600 --> 01:19:08.600]  That's excellent.
[01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:17.720]  Okay, what specifically is the self-enacting clause of the constitution that's violated
[01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:32.880]  by a citation that finds you guilty because a piece of equipment that you are registered
[01:19:32.880 --> 01:19:40.360]  to have owned was operated by some unknown person and has the appearance of violating
[01:19:40.360 --> 01:19:41.360]  the statute?
[01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:47.120]  I do believe it would be Article 1, Section 16, which specifically addresses the bills
[01:19:47.120 --> 01:19:50.120]  of a tinder.
[01:19:50.120 --> 01:19:56.720]  Okay, please explain, bill of a tinder.
[01:19:56.720 --> 01:20:04.440]  Bill of a tinder, I have been judged guilty by an administrative or legislative act rather
[01:20:04.440 --> 01:20:09.280]  than a judicial determination of fact and law.
[01:20:09.280 --> 01:20:10.280]  Wow.
[01:20:10.280 --> 01:20:11.280]  Okay.
[01:20:11.280 --> 01:20:13.080]  That's pretty dead bang.
[01:20:13.080 --> 01:20:15.400]  That's exactly what these cameras do.
[01:20:15.400 --> 01:20:20.320]  Expound, elucidate.
[01:20:20.320 --> 01:20:29.800]  An unknown entity has issued an alleged ticket to a vehicle that I own but was also allegedly
[01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:35.460]  driving on a particular day and time and that this vehicle allegedly passed through a light
[01:20:35.460 --> 01:20:38.240]  without stopping when the light was red.
[01:20:38.240 --> 01:20:44.800]  So they have alleged that you were operating the vehicle or did they only alleged that
[01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:48.440]  the vehicle was operated?
[01:20:48.440 --> 01:20:54.960]  Well, the ticket is sent in my name simply because it is my name that appears on the
[01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:57.280]  documentation of ownership.
[01:20:57.280 --> 01:21:03.920]  So I would say that without any evidence that I was the actual driver that I am being presumed
[01:21:03.920 --> 01:21:08.360]  guilty and pronounced guilty based upon those facts alone.
[01:21:08.360 --> 01:21:17.520]  So you have been accused of a crime by the mere fact that you happen to own the piece
[01:21:17.520 --> 01:21:22.640]  of equipment that appeared to have violated the act.
[01:21:22.640 --> 01:21:23.640]  Apparently so.
[01:21:23.640 --> 01:21:33.200]  As there is no one that can stand to testify that they witnessed this act, I have no one
[01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:34.360]  to cross examine.
[01:21:34.360 --> 01:21:41.160]  I have no method to refute the accusation and to say prove it was me.
[01:21:41.160 --> 01:21:50.120]  And by the statute, the statute appears to create a condition where proof is not a necessary
[01:21:50.120 --> 01:21:51.120]  requirement.
[01:21:51.120 --> 01:21:52.120]  Exactly.
[01:21:52.120 --> 01:22:00.360]  There is evidence according to what I have read of the statute itself other than the
[01:22:00.360 --> 01:22:07.600]  photograph that is taken to say that I am guilty and I am judged specifically on that
[01:22:07.600 --> 01:22:09.640]  prerequisite alone.
[01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:16.080]  So they take a photograph of your vehicle and whether or not they can recognize the
[01:22:16.080 --> 01:22:24.040]  human being in the vehicle, you are judged criminally liable.
[01:22:24.040 --> 01:22:25.040]  Correct.
[01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:32.280]  Which not only violates article 1, section 16, but it also violates the article on, well,
[01:22:32.280 --> 01:22:36.800]  the determination of the law where incident until proven guilty.
[01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:42.680]  It also goes to the requirement to be faced by your accuser.
[01:22:42.680 --> 01:22:44.160]  Correct.
[01:22:44.160 --> 01:22:53.400]  I want that camera on the stand and I want to examine that camera on the stand.
[01:22:53.400 --> 01:22:57.880]  And it better answer all my questions.
[01:22:57.880 --> 01:22:59.280]  How do we get there?
[01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:09.520]  How do we get to the point in this technological society to where the machine is the instrument
[01:23:09.520 --> 01:23:10.520]  of testimony?
[01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:16.080]  Other than the photograph, there won't be.
[01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:20.600]  I mean, it's pretty much like what the police officers use with their dash cams.
[01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.160]  They try to introduce those into evidence.
[01:23:23.160 --> 01:23:28.680]  However, according to the rules of evidence, as I've stated in previous discussions on
[01:23:28.680 --> 01:23:34.520]  this subject, they are not allowed until they have mirandized you to use any recording of
[01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:38.600]  any statement made on those cameras.
[01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:45.840]  So they're using the statement of your documentation in the motor vehicle records against you.
[01:23:45.840 --> 01:23:54.040]  Well, even as I understand, even the camera itself is insufficient, absent testimony of
[01:23:54.040 --> 01:24:06.320]  a living, breathing human being whom you can testify, I'm sorry, testify, whom you can
[01:24:06.320 --> 01:24:13.200]  examine concerning the contents of the video camera.
[01:24:13.200 --> 01:24:14.200]  Right.
[01:24:14.200 --> 01:24:19.320]  So absent a human being whom you can examine, you can't examine the video camera.
[01:24:19.320 --> 01:24:20.320]  Right.
[01:24:20.320 --> 01:24:24.240]  So here's the other situation they put themselves in.
[01:24:24.240 --> 01:24:30.360]  We all know the camera is monitored by a company that most of the time is not within the state.
[01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:31.360]  It's outside the state.
[01:24:31.360 --> 01:24:33.960]  It's a separate contract agency.
[01:24:33.960 --> 01:24:39.520]  The information is updated on that end, the ticket's pulled and printed, it is sent to
[01:24:39.520 --> 01:24:45.200]  an officer on this end, allegedly, who is supposed to examine the tape, compare it to
[01:24:45.200 --> 01:24:49.440]  the ticket, validate the information and send it out.
[01:24:49.440 --> 01:24:54.280]  And please explain to me how this is not hearsay testimony.
[01:24:54.280 --> 01:25:01.200]  Well, there's another issue that that brings to my mind.
[01:25:01.200 --> 01:25:10.400]  The fact that you're receiving this communication from a source outside the state, I want to
[01:25:10.400 --> 01:25:13.280]  say, who the heck are you?
[01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:14.280]  Yes.
[01:25:14.280 --> 01:25:23.640]  And how are you sending me something from another state involving an apparent infraction
[01:25:23.640 --> 01:25:26.160]  within the state?
[01:25:26.160 --> 01:25:35.080]  If this involves a primary party outside the state, this would seem to involve diversity
[01:25:35.080 --> 01:25:38.080]  of jurisdiction.
[01:25:38.080 --> 01:25:40.960]  True.
[01:25:40.960 --> 01:25:45.560]  There really wouldn't be a scene to it.
[01:25:45.560 --> 01:25:50.680]  The question you would have to raise is, one, is there a jurisdictional issue with the camera
[01:25:50.680 --> 01:25:51.680]  companies?
[01:25:51.680 --> 01:25:59.720]  Since all they're being paid to do is monitor, print out and return, they're not acting with
[01:25:59.720 --> 01:26:01.240]  a specific jurisdiction.
[01:26:01.240 --> 01:26:03.320]  They're not acting as the enforcement.
[01:26:03.320 --> 01:26:08.040]  They're only acting as the collector of the information.
[01:26:08.040 --> 01:26:15.640]  That brings up the issue of enforcing something that you have no actual living witness of.
[01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:19.280]  Well, actually, they have to be the accuser.
[01:26:19.280 --> 01:26:21.040]  Well, that's true.
[01:26:21.040 --> 01:26:22.800]  That's what I'm saying.
[01:26:22.800 --> 01:26:24.560]  They're not the enforcement arm.
[01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:29.440]  But now here's the bad end of that for them.
[01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:38.280]  The bad end of that for them is they derive a financial benefit as the accuser if they
[01:26:38.280 --> 01:26:39.280]  win.
[01:26:39.280 --> 01:26:43.720]  Now, I don't know about you, but I find that a severe conflict of interest issue.
[01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.120]  As a witness, they are compromised.
[01:26:46.120 --> 01:26:47.120]  That's correct.
[01:26:47.120 --> 01:26:52.520]  They cannot testify to the veracity of the information because they profit by the information
[01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:54.240]  that we're arguing over.
[01:26:54.240 --> 01:27:03.840]  So we file a motion to disqualify the witness and move to strike all evidence of the witness
[01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:10.520]  because the witness profits from your conviction directly.
[01:27:10.520 --> 01:27:14.760]  And it really doesn't matter whether they're being paid by the ticket or they're being
[01:27:14.760 --> 01:27:17.280]  paid a flat rate by a contract.
[01:27:17.280 --> 01:27:20.440]  The contract exists for the purpose of profit.
[01:27:20.440 --> 01:27:24.920]  In order to keep the contract, the company still has to prove their valuable asset to
[01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:27.080]  the coverage of the city.
[01:27:27.080 --> 01:27:31.480]  So the more tickets that are generated, the more viable the contract remains.
[01:27:31.480 --> 01:27:36.640]  So no way can you slice this and say that these people are not a financial beneficiary
[01:27:36.640 --> 01:27:39.640]  of that ticket.
[01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:44.280]  I still want to always when I want to deal with these issues, I want to go after the
[01:27:44.280 --> 01:27:53.240]  fact that this type of thing amounts to an unauthorized tax.
[01:27:53.240 --> 01:27:55.560]  That's exactly what it is.
[01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.440]  It's civil in nature to begin with.
[01:27:57.440 --> 01:28:00.880]  Therefore, it's not a criminal punishment or a criminal fight.
[01:28:00.880 --> 01:28:06.080]  Now, in truth and essence, that makes it exactly what the driver's license is.
[01:28:06.080 --> 01:28:11.960]  The driver's license, registration, those are all tax, it's all they are.
[01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:17.440]  They're collected by the tax revenue agent for the county who boards it to the state.
[01:28:17.440 --> 01:28:20.520]  That's all they are, taxes in different forms.
[01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:29.840]  And as I understand, you have evidence, you have statistical evidence to show that where
[01:28:29.840 --> 01:28:37.480]  the cameras are used, that the accident rate doesn't decrease but rather increases.
[01:28:37.480 --> 01:28:39.520]  Well, Jim does.
[01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.160]  He was the one we had on the other night who was discussing it.
[01:28:42.160 --> 01:28:49.280]  He said he's got information that shows where the city lied on the statistical reports saying
[01:28:49.280 --> 01:28:54.800]  at the accident rate at the intersection where the camera was located went down when in fact
[01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.520]  it had gone up.
[01:28:57.520 --> 01:28:59.800]  He should absolutely sue those people.
[01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:04.840]  This is where the singular individual can kick behind.
[01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:07.560]  And suing people is not that hard, guys.
[01:29:07.560 --> 01:29:12.800]  It's only a couple hundred bucks in the district court and sue them for major amounts.
[01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:19.040]  We really need to start doing this, if nothing else, just for entertainment.
[01:29:19.040 --> 01:29:22.440]  It has a very strong entertainment value.
[01:29:22.440 --> 01:29:27.160]  It's probably a lot more fun than watching American Idol.
[01:29:27.160 --> 01:29:28.160]  Yeah.
[01:29:28.160 --> 01:29:34.280]  When you sue these guys, it's not like when you got a ticket or when you've been accused
[01:29:34.280 --> 01:29:37.680]  of a crime where they got a hammer over your head.
[01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:38.680]  Yeah, folks.
[01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:39.680]  You're the hammer dude.
[01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:42.000]  Yeah, folks out there, if you've got time on your hands, they've got nothing better
[01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:43.000]  to do.
[01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:45.400]  Why don't you sue these people?
[01:29:45.400 --> 01:29:46.400]  Just for yucks.
[01:29:46.400 --> 01:29:47.400]  We need people to do that.
[01:29:47.400 --> 01:29:48.760]  I'm too busy to sue people.
[01:29:48.760 --> 01:29:52.000]  It will have an incredible impact.
[01:29:52.000 --> 01:29:55.680]  My life is entertained enough already, so I don't have enough time for that, but you
[01:29:55.680 --> 01:29:56.680]  guys sue them.
[01:29:56.680 --> 01:29:57.680]  All right, we'll be right back.
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[01:30:59.920 --> 01:31:04.720]  Yeah, and who you want to chip, who you take me for, free toll-free?
[01:31:04.720 --> 01:31:06.720]  Who you want to chip?
[01:31:06.720 --> 01:31:08.720]  Me no free toll-free, you can't chip me.
[01:31:08.720 --> 01:31:12.720]  All I'm saying, don't let them chip you in the morning, chip you in the evening,
[01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.720]  but they're chipping on your body.
[01:31:14.720 --> 01:31:18.720]  And anyway, when you go computer reading, you can't hide me safe from nobody.
[01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:22.720]  When you say, chipping on your mom, chipping on your daddy, chipping on your grandpa and
[01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:28.720]  the granny, chipping on me, chipping on your baby, chipping on your family, your whole
[01:31:28.720 --> 01:31:33.520]  world family, chipping on your dog and the cat around me, chipping on the beef and you
[01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:38.320]  still got ET, chipping on the fish, them falling in the sea, chipping on the shark and the
[01:31:38.320 --> 01:31:43.120]  whale around me, you know still mankind gone chipping crazy, chipping on the king, and
[01:31:43.120 --> 01:31:44.320]  they want to read me.
[01:31:44.320 --> 01:31:46.320]  Social security, they've got to read.
[01:31:46.320 --> 01:31:50.320]  Number of them give me, then repeat up your serum, chipping on you in the morning, chipping
[01:31:50.320 --> 01:31:56.320]  on you in the evening, chipping on you all the dinner time, experiments on mankind.
[01:31:56.320 --> 01:32:00.320]  Okay, so we're talking about these red light cameras here and Bill's a detainer.
[01:32:00.320 --> 01:32:05.120]  And Randy, I have a question for you, I guess you and Eddie both.
[01:32:05.120 --> 01:32:11.920]  If this is a civil matter, then what happens if people just don't pay it?
[01:32:11.920 --> 01:32:15.920]  I mean, if it's not a crime, if it's not under, if it doesn't fall into the criminal side
[01:32:15.920 --> 01:32:20.720]  of law, I mean, is one option for people to just blow these off when they get them?
[01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:22.720]  That's an insightful question.
[01:32:22.720 --> 01:32:27.520]  Yeah, well, the only problem is they're probably going to treat it the same way that anybody
[01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:32.720]  else would do with a common law default process, which is basically we sent you a bill, you
[01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:36.320]  didn't pay the bill, now we're going to seek a judgment against you for the amount of the
[01:32:36.320 --> 01:32:37.920]  bill plus extra.
[01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:41.520]  Yeah, but you can't just go around, yeah, but you can't just go, hold on, hold on, you
[01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:47.920]  can't just go around sending people bills out of the blue and if they ignore it, then
[01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:53.120]  get a judgment, there has to be some substance to justify why you got sent the bill in the
[01:32:53.120 --> 01:32:55.120]  first place, otherwise people wouldn't be coming.
[01:32:55.120 --> 01:32:58.720]  Well, that's just it, they did justify it, Deborah, they got a contract with this company
[01:32:58.720 --> 01:33:01.920]  to accuse you of something and you have to ward it off.
[01:33:01.920 --> 01:33:05.520]  But they don't have a contract with me, they don't have a contract, they don't have a
[01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:07.120]  contract with me.
[01:33:07.120 --> 01:33:07.920]  You're right.
[01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:12.320]  They would have to, they would have to show that they had a contract with me and that
[01:33:12.320 --> 01:33:16.720]  I violated the contract, that they sent me a bill and I blew it off and so that they
[01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:18.320]  could get awarded a judgment.
[01:33:18.320 --> 01:33:23.520]  In the real world with real brains, that's how that would work, but we're not dealing
[01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:28.720]  with that, we're dealing with people who sent you this for the sole purpose of extorting
[01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:29.520]  money from you.
[01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:30.320]  Of course.
[01:33:30.320 --> 01:33:38.320]  Remember when Jerry and I went up to nowhere, we got a ticket up there, we went up somewhere
[01:33:38.320 --> 01:33:44.720]  and we got on the toll way and we didn't use the toll tag, so we went over and we paid
[01:33:44.720 --> 01:33:45.520]  the toll.
[01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.120]  With cash, yeah, and then they sent a bill.
[01:33:47.120 --> 01:33:48.320]  And then they sent a bill.
[01:33:48.320 --> 01:33:51.120]  They said that we didn't pay it, yeah, and I just blew it off.
[01:33:51.120 --> 01:33:55.520]  It was like, it was like 35 cents or something and I wanted to fight it, but it was just
[01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:55.920]  too much.
[01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:56.720]  It was so little.
[01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.720]  It was going to be too time consuming and...
[01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:00.320]  It's a generic fraud.
[01:34:00.320 --> 01:34:01.520]  But I figure if they...
[01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.320]  The red light camera is exactly the same.
[01:34:04.320 --> 01:34:09.920]  Well, not exactly because if they wanted to, they could come out, they could enforce that
[01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:14.320]  at a later point in time by maybe a driver's license not getting renewed or...
[01:34:14.320 --> 01:34:15.520]  That's what I'm facing.
[01:34:15.520 --> 01:34:20.320] ...other particular things, maybe you won't be able to renew your registration or something
[01:34:20.320 --> 01:34:21.920]  until you take care of these issues.
[01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:27.920]  That's why I was asking if this is a civil matter, how are they connecting it in to the
[01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:33.520]  criminal side to enforce it because otherwise you just blow it off.
[01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.320]  They found a really elegant way of doing this.
[01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:39.920]  They won't let you renew your driver's license until you pay this.
[01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:44.720]  So they don't have to go through all this crap all of arresting you and all that.
[01:34:44.720 --> 01:34:49.920]  But how are they even managing to tie it into the driver's license renewal?
[01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:54.920]  Well, they have legislation that allows them to do that.
[01:34:54.920 --> 01:34:59.520]  What legislation allows them to tie red light cameras into our driver's license?
[01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:00.320]  No, no.
[01:35:00.320 --> 01:35:02.320]  Now there's a...
[01:35:02.320 --> 01:35:03.120]  Oh, it's...
[01:35:03.120 --> 01:35:04.120]  I forget the name of it.
[01:35:04.120 --> 01:35:09.520]  There's a name for this program that allows magistrates or JPs.
[01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.120]  These are municipal courts.
[01:35:12.120 --> 01:35:21.120]  In lieu of issuing a warrant, they can assess the fine to the driver's license.
[01:35:21.120 --> 01:35:24.120]  Okay, but you're not understanding my question.
[01:35:24.120 --> 01:35:26.720]  I understand that part right there, what you just said, Randy.
[01:35:26.720 --> 01:35:37.120]  But what I'm saying is if this is not a violation of any traffic code ordinances, if the police
[01:35:37.120 --> 01:35:43.520]  didn't run us over, didn't pull us over for violating a traffic code and it's just, this
[01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:50.720]  is strictly on the civil side of things, then how are they tying it into the traffic code
[01:35:50.720 --> 01:35:52.120]  and the driver's license?
[01:35:52.120 --> 01:35:56.320]  Because the traffic code is what authorizes the cameras, Chapter 707.
[01:35:56.320 --> 01:35:59.120]  Chapter 707 authorizes red light cameras?
[01:35:59.120 --> 01:35:59.920]  Yeah, correct.
[01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:02.920]  Okay, that's what I wanted to know.
[01:36:02.920 --> 01:36:06.520]  The problem is the nature of the code, the code itself.
[01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:07.920]  Okay, that's what I wanted to know.
[01:36:07.920 --> 01:36:09.920]  It's actually in the traffic code.
[01:36:09.920 --> 01:36:10.520]  It is.
[01:36:10.520 --> 01:36:11.920]  And when did they do this?
[01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:15.320]  How long has this been in effect?
[01:36:15.320 --> 01:36:17.720]  You said it to me.
[01:36:17.720 --> 01:36:19.520]  Yeah, it hadn't.
[01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:23.920]  It's actually, they've actually just started enforcing it in the last couple of years in
[01:36:23.920 --> 01:36:24.720]  some places.
[01:36:24.720 --> 01:36:26.120]  Some places are longer.
[01:36:26.120 --> 01:36:29.520]  Houston's had them for a longer amount of time.
[01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:32.920]  But like Lufkin's only had them for a couple of years.
[01:36:32.920 --> 01:36:36.920]  So really we need to get this in the court and have that section of the code struck down
[01:36:36.920 --> 01:36:42.320]  by the courts, as being unconstitutional is what we really need to have happen here.
[01:36:42.320 --> 01:36:51.920]  And we need to get more serious in that when we move against a code that gets struck down,
[01:36:51.920 --> 01:37:00.320]  is we need to, whoever moves against it needs to move to strike it from its inception and
[01:37:00.320 --> 01:37:06.920]  not from this point forward, because it's clear to the cities, to the municipalities,
[01:37:06.920 --> 01:37:14.720]  that they can pass an unconstitutional statute that only stings the citizen for a few hundred
[01:37:14.720 --> 01:37:21.520]  dollars, and it's not worth it to the citizen to spend the thousands and thousands it takes
[01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:24.120]  to get the statute overturned.
[01:37:24.120 --> 01:37:29.720]  So they can embezzle this money from multiple citizens until somebody just happens to get
[01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:33.720]  kicked off enough that they take them to court.
[01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:37.720]  And then they lose on one issue.
[01:37:37.720 --> 01:37:44.520]  Here's the thing, if we actually sue for it to have it declared unconstitutional, it is
[01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.920]  declared unconstitutional from its inception automatically.
[01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.320]  The void act has never been valid.
[01:37:50.320 --> 01:37:52.520]  It is automatically ab initio.
[01:37:52.520 --> 01:37:53.520]  Exactly.
[01:37:53.520 --> 01:38:03.320]  But my point is, is we need to ensure that people who file the suits, file the suit as
[01:38:03.320 --> 01:38:05.320]  a private attorney general.
[01:38:05.320 --> 01:38:06.320]  Why?
[01:38:06.320 --> 01:38:07.320]  Okay.
[01:38:07.320 --> 01:38:12.320]  There's been a lot of crapola out there about private attorney generals.
[01:38:12.320 --> 01:38:20.520]  The only way you can be a private attorney general is if you sue for a deprivation.
[01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:21.520]  Okay.
[01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:25.520]  But why would you want to do that in the first place?
[01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:26.520]  Let me finish.
[01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:33.320]  And you sue for all others similarly situated.
[01:38:33.320 --> 01:38:34.600]  You have been harmed.
[01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:36.560]  You have standing.
[01:38:36.560 --> 01:38:48.680]  And as a private attorney general, you can't sue for all others who are similarly situated
[01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:50.680]  as you.
[01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:53.920]  That's the only time we can be a private attorney general.
[01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:58.200]  And so you get all the damages for all those other people, and it's up to you if you want
[01:38:58.200 --> 01:38:59.200]  to divvy it up or not.
[01:38:59.200 --> 01:39:00.200]  Yes.
[01:39:00.200 --> 01:39:01.200]  And see, that's reasonable.
[01:39:01.200 --> 01:39:02.600]  No, no, no, no.
[01:39:02.600 --> 01:39:03.600]  It's reasonable.
[01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:07.960]  We're talking about three or four hundred bucks here in a suit that's going to cost
[01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:10.700]  thousands and thousands.
[01:39:10.700 --> 01:39:16.920]  So it's unreasonable for each person to have to sue in their own capacity and spend thousands
[01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:22.240]  to overcome an unjust law that costs them hundreds.
[01:39:22.240 --> 01:39:28.200]  So the courts have accepted that a citizen who has been injured and derives standing
[01:39:28.200 --> 01:39:32.640]  from the injury can also sue for all of the others.
[01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:36.720]  Yeah, that's what we're planning on doing with Williamson County, because you get all
[01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:38.960]  the money for all those other people.
[01:39:38.960 --> 01:39:42.320]  You need all the money to pay your litigation expenses.
[01:39:42.320 --> 01:39:46.840]  And you deserve all the money anyway, because you're the one that's doing the work to make
[01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:47.840]  it happen.
[01:39:47.840 --> 01:39:48.840]  Exactly.
[01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:53.080]  So suing the Department of the Attorney General is a very, you know, it's a very good check
[01:39:53.080 --> 01:39:55.560]  and balance.
[01:39:55.560 --> 01:40:02.920]  So if you've been harmed by the red light cameras, you sue the municipality for the
[01:40:02.920 --> 01:40:11.880]  harm to you and all others similarly situated, then here's the problem the municipality has.
[01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:19.600]  If the municipality has collected fines or fees in violation of the due course of laws,
[01:40:19.600 --> 01:40:25.920]  they must reimburse those fines and fees in triplicate.
[01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:31.680]  So the way you sue under, so if you've been harmed by say the red light camera, what you
[01:40:31.680 --> 01:40:45.440]  do is you sue for your injury in triplicate and all others similarly situated in triplicate.
[01:40:45.440 --> 01:40:50.720]  Otherwise it would serve as no deterrent.
[01:40:50.720 --> 01:41:00.240]  If the city can pass an ordinance that allows them to enforce illegal fines against a citizen,
[01:41:00.240 --> 01:41:05.600]  and they applied this to all the citizens and one citizen objects and they pay him back
[01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.680]  his fine, that's no deterrent.
[01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:15.960]  But if they have to pay back all the fines in triplicate, that's a big deal.
[01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:19.920]  And that is how it was intended.
[01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:26.400]  So I would say to anybody out there who is seeing one of these red light cameras, you
[01:41:26.400 --> 01:41:34.200]  should look at that as opportunity to kick behind and collect all of the money the speaking
[01:41:34.200 --> 01:41:41.440]  conniving municipality has collected from all the innocent citizens.
[01:41:41.440 --> 01:41:47.360]  Now I know that sounds a little serious, but if we're going to fix this problem, we got
[01:41:47.360 --> 01:41:50.240]  to start kicking their behinds.
[01:41:50.240 --> 01:41:55.320]  And I had someone object, well if you sue this way, where does all this money come from?
[01:41:55.320 --> 01:41:59.160]  It comes out of the city coffers, it comes out of the tax.
[01:41:59.160 --> 01:42:03.960]  Now wait a minute, why wouldn't it come out of the red light camera company's pocket?
[01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:08.440]  That's to the red light camera company, the red light camera company hadn't done a thing
[01:42:08.440 --> 01:42:09.440]  to you.
[01:42:09.440 --> 01:42:20.200]  What I suggest we do is sue the public officials personally, individually, and their wives,
[01:42:20.200 --> 01:42:23.760]  or their spouses.
[01:42:23.760 --> 01:42:26.400]  You haven't lived until you've been in the court of angry wives.
[01:42:26.400 --> 01:42:30.360]  Okay, but which ones, the legislators that passed this law?
[01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:33.040]  No, city council enforces it.
[01:42:33.040 --> 01:42:34.040]  Okay.
[01:42:34.040 --> 01:42:42.160]  You don't care who passed it, the ones who enforce a unconstitutional statute had a duty
[01:42:42.160 --> 01:42:48.520]  to know it was unconstitutional, until we start taking them to task.
[01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:51.360]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on here.
[01:42:51.360 --> 01:42:57.280]  The executive branch does not have discretionary authority to decide which laws it wants to
[01:42:57.280 --> 01:42:59.640]  enforce and which laws it does not.
[01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:04.840]  Sure, but if it can show that it has a good faith basis to show that the law they're being
[01:43:04.840 --> 01:43:07.920]  asked to enforce is unconstitutional, they are not required.
[01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:12.440]  No, that's not, that's called, at the federal level that's called presidential signing statement
[01:43:12.440 --> 01:43:13.440]  and it's unconstitutional.
[01:43:13.440 --> 01:43:21.240]  Well this is not executive branch, okay Eddie, this goes right to you, where does the policing
[01:43:21.240 --> 01:43:25.080]  function fall in Texas, what branch?
[01:43:25.080 --> 01:43:29.420]  It falls under judicial and the only thing I can find is it's inherent in the office
[01:43:29.420 --> 01:43:31.720]  of sheriff and no other.
[01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.840]  Yes, executive branch.
[01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:38.480]  Okay, we'll be right back, very good, excellent, very good.
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[01:45:19.320 --> 01:45:25.320]  Some things in this world I will never understand.
[01:45:25.320 --> 01:45:29.320]  Some things I realize fully.
[01:45:29.320 --> 01:45:34.320]  Somebody's gonna police that policeman.
[01:45:34.320 --> 01:45:38.320]  Somebody's gonna police the bully.
[01:45:38.320 --> 01:45:43.320]  There's always a room at the top of the hill.
[01:45:43.320 --> 01:45:48.320]  I hear through the grapevine and it's lonely left too.
[01:45:48.320 --> 01:45:51.320]  They're wishing it was more than I position the bill.
[01:45:51.320 --> 01:46:17.320]  They know that it ain't no good.
[01:46:21.320 --> 01:46:24.320]  Because you guys are saying that the police force,
[01:46:24.320 --> 01:46:26.320]  like a municipal police force,
[01:46:26.320 --> 01:46:29.320]  does not fall under the executive branch?
[01:46:29.320 --> 01:46:31.320]  Here's the problem.
[01:46:31.320 --> 01:46:35.320]  The municipal police force don't fall under a squat.
[01:46:35.320 --> 01:46:40.320]  I can find no constitutional authority granted to the legislature
[01:46:40.320 --> 01:46:43.320]  to create any law enforcement branch
[01:46:43.320 --> 01:46:48.320]  other than the Office of Sheriff, Constable and Justice of the Peace.
[01:46:48.320 --> 01:46:51.320]  Yeah, but the municipalities, the city charter, they create...
[01:46:51.320 --> 01:46:56.320]  How can the legislature designate a city charter power
[01:46:56.320 --> 01:47:01.320]  that the legislature itself does not possess?
[01:47:01.320 --> 01:47:04.320]  Oh, good point.
[01:47:04.320 --> 01:47:10.320]  Unless it's one of those things where it leaves those powers up to the municipality,
[01:47:10.320 --> 01:47:18.320]  kind of like with the feds, like with the constitution,
[01:47:18.320 --> 01:47:20.320]  it leaves the states broad and far-reaching powers.
[01:47:20.320 --> 01:47:23.320]  It's not granting the state any power.
[01:47:23.320 --> 01:47:24.320]  It does.
[01:47:24.320 --> 01:47:28.320]  However, once the states get their allotment of power
[01:47:28.320 --> 01:47:30.320]  that's denied the federal government,
[01:47:30.320 --> 01:47:34.320]  the people within the states then formulate the government of the state
[01:47:34.320 --> 01:47:38.320]  and the power that government has through its own state constitution.
[01:47:38.320 --> 01:47:41.320]  What's not in there, they can't do.
[01:47:41.320 --> 01:47:44.320]  And there is nothing I can find in the state constitution
[01:47:44.320 --> 01:47:49.320]  that allows the legislature to grant the power to anybody
[01:47:49.320 --> 01:47:52.320]  to create a law enforcement office.
[01:47:52.320 --> 01:47:55.320]  Oh, man.
[01:47:55.320 --> 01:47:58.320]  So all police forces are illegal, all police departments?
[01:47:58.320 --> 01:48:00.320]  No, they're simply municipal rent-a-cops.
[01:48:00.320 --> 01:48:02.320]  They can guard the city property.
[01:48:02.320 --> 01:48:07.320]  They can whatever, but they cannot enforce law legally.
[01:48:07.320 --> 01:48:09.320]  They can't enforce state law.
[01:48:09.320 --> 01:48:11.320]  They can only enforce city ordinance.
[01:48:11.320 --> 01:48:13.320]  Correct.
[01:48:13.320 --> 01:48:18.320]  But now, just like any other corporation,
[01:48:18.320 --> 01:48:22.320]  if you're on city property, you can't cause it harm, things like that.
[01:48:22.320 --> 01:48:24.320]  They can act against you for that.
[01:48:24.320 --> 01:48:36.320]  But any fines, fees, anything like that they would write would only be applicable to who?
[01:48:36.320 --> 01:48:38.320]  Other city employees.
[01:48:38.320 --> 01:48:42.320]  They would be the only one over which they had any jurisdiction.
[01:48:42.320 --> 01:48:44.320]  Wow.
[01:48:44.320 --> 01:48:46.320]  Incredible.
[01:48:46.320 --> 01:48:47.320]  All right.
[01:48:47.320 --> 01:48:48.320]  Well, now we've got some callers on the board.
[01:48:48.320 --> 01:48:49.320]  You guys want to take some calls?
[01:48:49.320 --> 01:48:50.320]  We've got 10 minutes left.
[01:48:50.320 --> 01:48:51.320]  Okay.
[01:48:51.320 --> 01:48:52.320]  We're going to go to Jim.
[01:48:52.320 --> 01:48:53.320]  Make a spaghetti dinner in there.
[01:48:53.320 --> 01:48:54.320]  Okay.
[01:48:54.320 --> 01:48:55.320]  Okay.
[01:48:55.320 --> 01:48:59.320]  We're going to go to, well, I was just about to go to Jim and he dropped off the line.
[01:48:59.320 --> 01:49:00.320]  All right.
[01:49:00.320 --> 01:49:04.320]  We're going to go to Tim in Texas.
[01:49:04.320 --> 01:49:05.320]  Wait a minute.
[01:49:05.320 --> 01:49:06.320]  Jim's back.
[01:49:06.320 --> 01:49:07.320]  Jim was first on the list.
[01:49:07.320 --> 01:49:08.320]  I'm taking him first.
[01:49:08.320 --> 01:49:09.320]  Jim, thanks for calling in.
[01:49:09.320 --> 01:49:11.320]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:49:11.320 --> 01:49:14.320]  Oh, I've got a question.
[01:49:14.320 --> 01:49:18.320]  It doesn't go with exactly what you're doing, so I hate to change.
[01:49:18.320 --> 01:49:19.320]  Okay.
[01:49:19.320 --> 01:49:20.320]  Be careful.
[01:49:20.320 --> 01:49:21.320]  I have my mic changed.
[01:49:21.320 --> 01:49:22.320]  That's okay.
[01:49:22.320 --> 01:49:23.320]  We've got nine minutes left, so go ahead.
[01:49:23.320 --> 01:49:29.320]  Well, you know, the last few nights or weeks we've been somewhat talking about credit cards
[01:49:29.320 --> 01:49:37.320]  and different people sending out, you know, how people buy the supposedly debt,
[01:49:37.320 --> 01:49:39.320]  but they don't really buy anything.
[01:49:39.320 --> 01:49:43.320]  Securitize the promise to pay.
[01:49:43.320 --> 01:49:45.320]  They're buying the evidence of the debt.
[01:49:45.320 --> 01:49:46.320]  Right.
[01:49:46.320 --> 01:49:48.320]  They're not even buying the securitized instrument.
[01:49:48.320 --> 01:49:53.320]  My question is, and when the company that sells that,
[01:49:53.320 --> 01:50:00.320]  they also sell your Social Security number in violation of the Privacy Act.
[01:50:00.320 --> 01:50:02.320]  That's interesting.
[01:50:02.320 --> 01:50:03.320]  No, that's factual.
[01:50:03.320 --> 01:50:05.320]  They have no act.
[01:50:05.320 --> 01:50:12.320]  Are they required to keep your Social Security number secret?
[01:50:12.320 --> 01:50:13.320]  Absolutely.
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:19.320]  So they sell the debt and they reveal your Social Security number to someone else.
[01:50:19.320 --> 01:50:20.320]  Right.
[01:50:20.320 --> 01:50:21.320]  Interesting.
[01:50:21.320 --> 01:50:25.320]  And that goes on and that person doesn't collect it,
[01:50:25.320 --> 01:50:29.320]  so they sell it to somebody else or they put it out on the open market, basically,
[01:50:29.320 --> 01:50:30.320]  is what they're doing.
[01:50:30.320 --> 01:50:35.320]  Yeah, and the way to stop this is Mike Mears' method,
[01:50:35.320 --> 01:50:38.320]  and we're going to be selling a CD on our website, too,
[01:50:38.320 --> 01:50:42.320]  and he lays the whole thing out of how to stop the ongoing process
[01:50:42.320 --> 01:50:44.320]  of these third-party debt collectors.
[01:50:44.320 --> 01:50:45.320]  Wait a minute.
[01:50:45.320 --> 01:50:47.320]  There's something else.
[01:50:47.320 --> 01:50:54.320]  As I understand, an unsecured debt is not a security.
[01:50:54.320 --> 01:50:56.320]  Correct.
[01:50:56.320 --> 01:50:58.320]  Therefore, it cannot be sold.
[01:50:58.320 --> 01:51:01.320]  They're not selling the unsecured debt, Randy.
[01:51:01.320 --> 01:51:03.320]  No, they're not.
[01:51:03.320 --> 01:51:07.320]  They are selling the evidence that the debt exists.
[01:51:07.320 --> 01:51:11.320]  They're selling information about the debt.
[01:51:11.320 --> 01:51:13.320]  They're not selling the debt.
[01:51:13.320 --> 01:51:22.320]  I just wrote an answer to a suit where a third-party debt collector
[01:51:22.320 --> 01:51:30.320]  files suit against the individual claiming that they had a debt to Sears
[01:51:30.320 --> 01:51:37.320]  and that the third-party debt collector owned the debt.
[01:51:37.320 --> 01:51:39.320]  That was very clear.
[01:51:39.320 --> 01:51:41.320]  It was on a credit card.
[01:51:41.320 --> 01:51:47.320]  Okay, well, then we need to get Mike Mears and Jeff Sedgwick back on
[01:51:47.320 --> 01:51:50.320]  because we talked about this extensively,
[01:51:50.320 --> 01:51:54.320]  and we talked about it off the air and on the air,
[01:51:54.320 --> 01:52:00.320]  and it was very, very clear that they don't sell the debt.
[01:52:00.320 --> 01:52:03.320]  They are only selling information about the debt,
[01:52:03.320 --> 01:52:08.320]  and they are purporting falsely that they're selling the debt,
[01:52:08.320 --> 01:52:11.320]  but the original creditor still owns the debt,
[01:52:11.320 --> 01:52:19.320]  and the only way to really see Mike Mears' processes of suing these people
[01:52:19.320 --> 01:52:23.320]  for violating these fair debt collection practices and all these things,
[01:52:23.320 --> 01:52:27.320]  basically in the judgment, in the settlement agreement,
[01:52:27.320 --> 01:52:33.320]  these entities agree that they're not going to sell the evidence of this debt anymore,
[01:52:33.320 --> 01:52:38.320]  but in all reality, the original creditor still owns the debt.
[01:52:38.320 --> 01:52:44.320]  It's still there, and the only way to actually get rid of it is to file it to 99A.
[01:52:44.320 --> 01:52:47.320]  All right, but they do not sell the debt.
[01:52:47.320 --> 01:52:49.320]  That's very clear.
[01:52:49.320 --> 01:52:50.320]  Yes, they do.
[01:52:50.320 --> 01:52:51.320]  No, they don't.
[01:52:51.320 --> 01:52:53.320]  Okay, listen, I have a lawsuit.
[01:52:53.320 --> 01:52:55.320]  Okay, well, then we're going to go around with it.
[01:52:55.320 --> 01:52:59.320]  We'll have Mike Mears back on, and we're going to talk about that.
[01:52:59.320 --> 01:53:03.320]  Yes, there's more going on. In this particular case,
[01:53:03.320 --> 01:53:07.320]  the third-party debt collector claimed they owned the debt.
[01:53:07.320 --> 01:53:09.320]  I know they do, but they don't. It's a lie.
[01:53:09.320 --> 01:53:14.320]  I understand that part, but this company claimed they owned it.
[01:53:14.320 --> 01:53:16.320]  Okay, they claim they own it, but they don't.
[01:53:16.320 --> 01:53:17.320]  Stop arguing. Stop arguing.
[01:53:17.320 --> 01:53:18.320]  I'm not arguing.
[01:53:18.320 --> 01:53:21.320]  They're wrong. I understand. They're wrong.
[01:53:21.320 --> 01:53:28.320]  I'm only going to the point that if you have a debt collector that claims they own the debt,
[01:53:28.320 --> 01:53:33.320]  that they are the principal, and that's why they did that.
[01:53:33.320 --> 01:53:37.320]  They said, we are the principal.
[01:53:37.320 --> 01:53:41.320]  The debt is the debt to us because we own it,
[01:53:41.320 --> 01:53:46.320]  and what the law says is if it is an unsecured debt, it cannot be sold.
[01:53:46.320 --> 01:53:51.320]  Therefore, you cannot be the principal.
[01:53:51.320 --> 01:53:55.320]  That's right, and the only way that they could actually – that's what I've been saying all along.
[01:53:55.320 --> 01:54:00.320]  They don't sell the debt. They can't sell the debt. It's a lie if they say they bought it or they sold it.
[01:54:00.320 --> 01:54:06.320]  The only way the debt can actually be transferred is by filing a 1099A.
[01:54:06.320 --> 01:54:13.320]  If the debt collectors filed a 1099A on the debt, then they would actually have it. Otherwise, they don't.
[01:54:13.320 --> 01:54:18.320]  Okay, so anyone who has a credit card issue where you have a credit card,
[01:54:18.320 --> 01:54:28.320]  where you have a collection agency or law firm trying to collect this debt,
[01:54:28.320 --> 01:54:38.320]  and in this case, I think in looking at it, they were trying to get around the Fair Debt Collections Procedures Act
[01:54:38.320 --> 01:54:45.320]  by claiming that they were the holder of the debt.
[01:54:45.320 --> 01:54:55.320]  So there's different issues when you are the debtor as opposed to when you are the third-party debt collector.
[01:54:55.320 --> 01:55:03.320]  Randy, my whole thing was if they were to have bought a debt and were holder in due course,
[01:55:03.320 --> 01:55:08.320]  they could have bought everything as far as all the information that went with it,
[01:55:08.320 --> 01:55:11.320]  which was the promissory note and everything else.
[01:55:11.320 --> 01:55:13.320]  But not your Social Security number.
[01:55:13.320 --> 01:55:21.320]  Without buying the debt outright. In other words, you know the debt is disputed.
[01:55:21.320 --> 01:55:27.320]  Well, if they don't buy the debt outright, they don't personally have standing.
[01:55:27.320 --> 01:55:28.320]  Right.
[01:55:28.320 --> 01:55:30.320]  That's the whole point.
[01:55:30.320 --> 01:55:35.320]  What this company was trying to do was get around this issue of agency.
[01:55:35.320 --> 01:55:37.320]  Right.
[01:55:37.320 --> 01:55:45.320]  They're saying, but I have it myself, so I'm not the agent, I'm the principal.
[01:55:45.320 --> 01:55:49.320]  See, they have to prove if they're claiming they own the debt,
[01:55:49.320 --> 01:55:54.320]  they can't just walk around and walk in court and say, I'm here, I'm the principal, I own the debt.
[01:55:54.320 --> 01:56:00.320]  No, they have to prove they own the debt, and there's no way they can do that unless they filed a 1099A on it.
[01:56:00.320 --> 01:56:11.320]  Well, the company that sold the information is liable for violating the Privacy Act.
[01:56:11.320 --> 01:56:16.320]  What is the company who buys the information? What liability do they have?
[01:56:16.320 --> 01:56:24.320]  None. It's a scam. It's a Ponzi scheme. They just pay, they buy the information for pennies on the dollar.
[01:56:24.320 --> 01:56:35.320]  That number is private information. They are liable. They conspire to secure information that is forbidden to be released.
[01:56:35.320 --> 01:56:40.320]  And they do release it and use it in violation of the Privacy Act.
[01:56:40.320 --> 01:56:41.320]  Gotcha, Bubba.
[01:56:41.320 --> 01:56:44.320]  And knowing that they had it illegally.
[01:56:44.320 --> 01:56:49.320]  Exactly. So this way we get to tie them both back together.
[01:56:49.320 --> 01:56:57.320]  It looks like these guys are trying every maneuver they can. We come in and kick their behinds because they're doing something wrong.
[01:56:57.320 --> 01:57:05.320]  So I get this suit against an individual where the third-party debt collector claims he is the principal.
[01:57:05.320 --> 01:57:13.320]  Yeah, they really put themselves out on the limb when they do that because they are engaging in that fraudulent activity.
[01:57:13.320 --> 01:57:22.320]  But the potential rewards are so great for so little output. I mean, they'll buy this information for pennies on the dollar of what the debt is.
[01:57:22.320 --> 01:57:27.320]  I mean, that's why I was saying they didn't have liability. They are liable for these fraudulent criminal acts, though.
[01:57:27.320 --> 01:57:30.320]  We need to sue the law firm itself.
[01:57:30.320 --> 01:57:31.320]  Absolutely.
[01:57:31.320 --> 01:57:33.320]  Make this expensive.
[01:57:33.320 --> 01:57:35.320]  That's what Mike Maris says.
[01:57:35.320 --> 01:57:42.320]  Yeah. Well, I'll talk to you at the seminar, but I want to know as soon as you get Maris' CD.
[01:57:42.320 --> 01:57:47.320]  Yes, yes. I'll be getting that together this week.
[01:57:47.320 --> 01:57:55.320]  But no, I mean, I've thought about that for years. How do they get the credit card, the Social Security number? How do they use it?
[01:57:55.320 --> 01:58:00.320]  Well, I know that it's illegal for them to have it, and it's illegal to be transferred.
[01:58:00.320 --> 01:58:03.320]  Yeah, they buy it from the original creditor. They buy the information from the original creditor.
[01:58:03.320 --> 01:58:05.320]  That's a really good point.
[01:58:05.320 --> 01:58:07.320]  It puts both of them on the dime.
[01:58:07.320 --> 01:58:13.320]  Exactly. It puts both of them on the dime. All right, listen, other callers that everyone who called in at the last minute, I'm sorry.
[01:58:13.320 --> 01:58:20.320]  I was going to try to go through all the calls. There was like three or four calls that came in at the last minute, but we got on a hot topic.
[01:58:20.320 --> 01:58:24.320]  So callers in the future, please try to call in earlier in the show.
[01:58:24.320 --> 01:58:27.320]  All right. We will be back on Thursday.
[01:58:27.320 --> 01:58:37.320]  This is the rule of law. Randy Kelton, Eddie Craig, Deborah Stevens.
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