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[00:17.920 --> 00:24.920]  accused Abbas of being aware of an Israeli plot to assassinate Yasser Arafat.
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[01:29.040 --> 01:35.000]  Each proposal carries an estimated price tag of $1 trillion over the next decade.
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[05:09.080 --> 05:26.080]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when they come for you, when we
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[05:27.400 --> 05:34.400]  This is Deborah Stevens, I'm here with Randy Kelton, Thursday evening, and this is of course
[05:35.000 --> 05:38.920]  the Rule of Law.
[05:38.920 --> 05:45.640]  And tonight I wanted to start off with this interesting case relating to 9-11, Randy maybe
[05:45.640 --> 05:47.400]  could offer your thoughts on this.
[05:47.400 --> 05:53.600]  I just came across this a few minutes ago, this is in the Wall Street Journal, and I
[05:53.600 --> 06:00.600]  just started doing research on this judge here, Alvin Hellerstein, and apparently he's
[06:00.720 --> 06:07.720]  got a background that I'm looking into right now regarding the cover-up of 9-11.
[06:07.720 --> 06:11.080]  Let me read what's going on, well first let me give you some background.
[06:11.080 --> 06:17.720]  Apparently there's some lawsuits against some of the airlines involved in 9-11 for wrongful
[06:17.720 --> 06:21.200]  deaths and property damage and such.
[06:21.200 --> 06:24.920]  People are trying to sue the airlines now because they're not getting any justice out
[06:24.920 --> 06:31.280]  of the courts in the criminal realm, and I think it's a good thing because now people
[06:31.280 --> 06:36.320]  are being put in a position where it's the game of let's pass the buck, all right?
[06:36.320 --> 06:42.720]  And so now the airlines are taking it, and so they wanted to subpoena or depose some
[06:42.720 --> 06:47.560]  FBI agents to discuss what really happened that day, because the airlines don't want
[06:47.560 --> 06:48.560]  to be responsible.
[06:48.560 --> 06:53.920]  They're trying to say that the government was negligent and incompetent and such and
[06:53.920 --> 06:57.720]  that if the government had been doing its job, the hijackings never would have taken
[06:57.720 --> 07:04.000]  place in the first place, and I have to say they're right because the government perpetrated
[07:04.000 --> 07:05.000]  the hijackings.
[07:05.000 --> 07:08.000]  The government did the whole thing, so of course if the government had been doing what
[07:08.000 --> 07:12.520]  it was supposed to be doing, this would not have happened since they were the ones who
[07:12.520 --> 07:13.920]  pulled it off after all.
[07:13.920 --> 07:19.600]  So anyway, let me read this short article here from the Wall Street Journal.
[07:19.600 --> 07:21.360]  All right, this is today.
[07:21.360 --> 07:29.160]  A US judge has denied a motion by a group of airlines to depose several FBI agents regarding
[07:29.160 --> 07:35.920]  the government's probes into the 9-11-2001 terrorist attacks in New York and Washington.
[07:35.920 --> 07:42.400]  And in order on Thursday, US District Judge Alvin Hellerstein in Manhattan denied a motion
[07:42.400 --> 07:48.080]  by the airlines to question six current and former FBI agents and a potential setback
[07:48.080 --> 07:49.760]  for their defense.
[07:49.760 --> 07:54.360]  The judge indicated the airline defendants hoped to show at trial that the government's
[07:54.360 --> 08:00.080]  failure to apprehend the terrorists and stop the attacks was so considerable that it mitigates
[08:00.080 --> 08:05.880]  and excuses any alleged faults of the airlines and the terrorists likely would have succeeded
[08:05.880 --> 08:09.560]  even if the defendants had exercised due care.
[08:09.560 --> 08:14.520]  Quote, the government's failure to detect and abort the terrorist plots would not affect
[08:14.520 --> 08:18.480]  the aviation defendant's potential liability, the judge wrote.
[08:18.480 --> 08:24.400]  Moreover, efforts to prove these propositions would cause confusion and prejudice and burden
[08:24.400 --> 08:29.480]  court and jury with long delays and unduly lengthy trial proceedings.
[08:29.480 --> 08:32.320]  Oh, boo hoo.
[08:32.320 --> 08:35.000]  Okay, give me a break.
[08:35.000 --> 08:41.440]  All right, the rulings relate to three wrongful death cases and 19 property damage cases.
[08:41.440 --> 08:48.080]  The defendants include units of UAL Corp, US Airways, Delta Airlines, Continental Airlines,
[08:48.080 --> 08:50.080]  and AirTran Holdings.
[08:50.080 --> 08:54.880]  A lawyer for the airlines didn't immediately return a phone call seeking comment on Thursday.
[08:54.880 --> 08:59.480]  The judge did allow some of the testimony of two of the FBI agents from the trial of
[08:59.480 --> 09:06.100]  9-11 conspirators, Zacharias Musaoui, who is serving a life sentence, namely what they
[09:06.100 --> 09:08.320]  learned in their investigations.
[09:08.320 --> 09:13.240]  Quote, testimony as to what their superiors did or did not do is not relevant and not
[09:13.240 --> 09:15.680]  admissible, the judge said.
[09:15.680 --> 09:22.960]  The judge also denied a motion to admit the 9-11 commission report as a whole as evidence
[09:22.960 --> 09:27.440]  in the case and steadily admitting the chronology provided in the report.
[09:27.440 --> 09:30.240]  All right, that's the end of the story.
[09:30.240 --> 09:31.240]  Oh, brother.
[09:31.240 --> 09:34.680]  Well, of course he's not going to let the 9-11 commission report as a whole be admitted
[09:34.680 --> 09:40.560]  into evidence because then everyone would poke holes in it just like David Ray Griffin
[09:40.560 --> 09:46.600]  in his book that basically shredded the 9-11 commission report from start to finish as
[09:46.600 --> 09:51.760]  a complete lie and a complete fabrication, every single word of it.
[09:51.760 --> 10:01.280]  But before I let Randy comment, I also wanted to make another comment on this judge, Hellerstein,
[10:01.280 --> 10:09.880]  that I'm going to be looking into his history here because apparently he was instructed
[10:09.880 --> 10:19.120]  by the Department of Justice regarding the control and access of evidence of documents
[10:19.120 --> 10:21.440]  in these private litigations.
[10:21.440 --> 10:28.200]  This is on Center for Research and Globalization website, globalresearch.ca.
[10:28.200 --> 10:33.960]  All right, this was back in 2002.
[10:33.960 --> 10:39.840]  Apparently they set this judge up to hear the cases of any future and current litigation
[10:39.840 --> 10:42.600]  regarding 9-11 in civil cases.
[10:42.600 --> 10:48.720]  It says on June 20th, the Bush administration officials quietly informed New York Judge
[10:48.720 --> 10:54.080]  Alvin Hellerstein of their intention to commence legal action likely to be far-reaching in
[10:54.080 --> 10:58.880]  their constitutional, political, and individual rights implications, blah, blah, blah.
[10:58.880 --> 11:02.720]  Okay, let me go on so I don't have to read the whole thing.
[11:02.720 --> 11:10.400]  Basically, they're saying that they gave, okay, U.S. Attorney General for Civil Division
[11:10.400 --> 11:16.560]  Robert D. McCallum and U.S. Attorney for Southern District of New York James B. Comey, there's
[11:16.560 --> 11:22.680]  Comey again, advised U.S. District Judge Alvin Hellerstein, also of the Southern District
[11:22.680 --> 11:27.800]  of New York, that the Department of Judges will intervene to control access to all the
[11:27.800 --> 11:33.320]  evidence and documents related to all private litigation before Hellerstein's court regarding
[11:33.320 --> 11:40.040]  the terrorist attacks of 9-11, citing, quote, grave national security concerns as their
[11:40.040 --> 11:41.040]  motivation.
[11:41.040 --> 11:50.520]  Okay, so they set up this guy from way back to control the evidence going into his court.
[11:50.520 --> 11:54.200]  All right, so Randy, what do you make of this?
[11:54.200 --> 12:02.920]  Well, I suspect this judge will be like McNamara when he got on TV and apologized to all of
[12:02.920 --> 12:11.600]  us Vietnam veterans for keeping us in Vietnam to serve the purpose of GD and Bell Helicopter,
[12:11.600 --> 12:15.960]  that when he gets close to the end, he's going to see his maker looking close at him, and
[12:15.960 --> 12:20.680]  he's going to run to the priest and, oh, Father, I have sinned.
[12:20.680 --> 12:22.680]  Oh, gosh.
[12:22.680 --> 12:29.280]  This is pretty bad, this is pretty bad, and I have other articles I have not been able
[12:29.280 --> 12:33.680]  to go over yet, so maybe I'm going to do an expose on this Hellerstein guy like I did
[12:33.680 --> 12:39.320]  on Mosley, okay, because I've already started pulling up a whole bunch of dirt and his involvement
[12:39.320 --> 12:45.880]  with overseas entities and such, and I'll go into more of that tomorrow after I compile
[12:45.880 --> 12:47.880]  my research on this guy.
[12:47.880 --> 12:54.960]  Well, I would hope that these airlines will fight this particular ruling all the way to
[12:54.960 --> 13:02.600]  the Supreme Court, and that's, as you were talking about this, I was thinking that the
[13:02.600 --> 13:11.800]  real check and balance is money, the airlines, it's going to cost them a lot of money and
[13:11.800 --> 13:14.720]  they've got deep enough pockets to put up a good fight.
[13:14.720 --> 13:19.800]  Well, I don't know, they're asking the government to bail out the airlines left and right lately.
[13:19.800 --> 13:25.720]  Yes, but we're talking a company with major dollars moving around.
[13:25.720 --> 13:30.920]  The cost of a trial relative to the amount of dollars they're moving around is chump
[13:30.920 --> 13:31.920]  change.
[13:31.920 --> 13:32.920]  Right.
[13:32.920 --> 13:41.520]  So, I'm hoping that we may actually get these people to actually pry a door open somewhere.
[13:41.520 --> 13:45.040]  Well, yeah, this is the kind of thing that we've just been waiting for, right?
[13:45.040 --> 13:50.440]  I mean, eventually somebody was going to have to bring something to trial even on the civil
[13:50.440 --> 13:56.800]  side that could cause the whole thing to blow open, and now the airlines are getting sued
[13:56.800 --> 14:01.720]  and they're like, wait a minute, why are we stuck holding the bag when the government's
[14:01.720 --> 14:03.320]  the one that did it?
[14:03.320 --> 14:06.720]  They used us, the airlines should be suing the government.
[14:06.720 --> 14:11.240]  Wait, I agree, the airlines are not responsible for this.
[14:11.240 --> 14:12.760]  No, of course not.
[14:12.760 --> 14:23.960]  If somebody hijacks your car and forces you at gunpoint to run a red light, are you responsible?
[14:23.960 --> 14:28.840]  Can I come back and say, well, you should have anticipated that this could have happened
[14:28.840 --> 14:31.280]  and taken measures to prevent it?
[14:31.280 --> 14:35.600]  Yeah, what if somebody steals my car, what if somebody carjacks my car, boots me out
[14:35.600 --> 14:39.400]  of it, takes my car, and they go and kill somebody, am I responsible?
[14:39.400 --> 14:40.400]  No.
[14:40.400 --> 14:44.560]  You should have anticipated that someone was going to steal your car so they could take
[14:44.560 --> 14:45.800]  it and go kill somebody with it.
[14:45.800 --> 14:50.920]  Well, that's why I carry my good old friend, Smith and Wesson, with me in the car.
[14:50.920 --> 14:53.720]  I do the best I can, you know.
[14:53.720 --> 15:00.520]  But here, you know, the airline, this was not something that had anything to do with
[15:00.520 --> 15:01.520]  the airline.
[15:01.520 --> 15:02.880]  Right, I know.
[15:02.880 --> 15:07.600]  This was not something they could anticipate, this was something the government could clearly
[15:07.600 --> 15:08.600]  anticipate.
[15:08.600 --> 15:14.640]  Well, the government clearly saw it on their radars and didn't deploy any fighter jets
[15:14.640 --> 15:16.360]  or they stood down or whatever.
[15:16.360 --> 15:20.080]  They were supposedly having an exercise that day.
[15:20.080 --> 15:22.280]  Oh yeah, that morning, that's right.
[15:22.280 --> 15:25.360]  For just this exact scenario.
[15:25.360 --> 15:32.280]  Actually, it was like 14, there were like 14 exercises going on at the exact same time.
[15:32.280 --> 15:35.480]  So clearly they anticipated this kind of thing.
[15:35.480 --> 15:38.480]  It's laughable when you think about it.
[15:38.480 --> 15:42.560]  If it wasn't so tragic, it certainly would be.
[15:42.560 --> 15:50.360]  And that the American public hasn't screamed bloody murder, I'm still struck by those
[15:50.360 --> 15:58.720]  people in New York that were so angry at us that we would intimate that maybe our government
[15:58.720 --> 16:00.600]  had something to do with this.
[16:00.600 --> 16:04.080]  Well, governments have always been doing this since the beginning of time.
[16:04.080 --> 16:06.080]  It's nothing new.
[16:06.080 --> 16:09.920]  The level of denial was just almost frightening.
[16:09.920 --> 16:16.920]  It seems the more outrageous something is, the more likely you are to get away with it
[16:16.920 --> 16:19.240]  because it sends everyone into denial.
[16:19.240 --> 16:24.960]  Well, I think even Hitler said something about the biggest lies are the easiest ones to get
[16:24.960 --> 16:25.960]  away with.
[16:25.960 --> 16:29.160]  Yeah, it sure seems that way.
[16:29.160 --> 16:30.160]  Indeed.
[16:30.160 --> 16:31.160]  All right.
[16:31.160 --> 16:36.280]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, comment 512-646-1984.
[16:36.280 --> 16:37.840]  We do have some calls on the line.
[16:37.840 --> 16:40.880]  We'll go to our callers and we get back on the other side.
[16:40.880 --> 16:44.680]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[16:44.680 --> 16:59.600]  We'll be right back.
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[18:26.960 --> 18:29.640]  All right, we asked the questions.
[18:29.640 --> 18:33.160]  And look what we get. They don't have the answers.
[18:33.160 --> 18:36.280]  They don't want to give us the answers, that's for sure.
[18:36.280 --> 18:40.840]  All right, no, you can't question the FBI agents about what happened on 9-11.
[18:40.840 --> 18:43.880]  Okay, whatever. We'll see about that.
[18:43.880 --> 18:46.200]  All right, we're going to go to your calls now.
[18:46.200 --> 18:48.680]  We've got Michael in Connecticut.
[18:48.680 --> 18:51.080]  Hey, Michael, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[18:51.080 --> 18:54.320]  Hi, guys. How are you doing?
[18:54.320 --> 19:00.320]  My girlfriend is going to have a probation revocation hearing tomorrow.
[19:00.320 --> 19:05.040]  And I'm going to be confronting her attorney because I have two issues.
[19:05.040 --> 19:11.640]  The first issue is the statute that she pled guilty to was owning a car without
[19:11.640 --> 19:16.200]  insurance, and that applies to the owner and not the operator.
[19:16.200 --> 19:21.840]  And she was the operator. She wasn't the owner of the car.
[19:21.840 --> 19:24.040]  That's what she was on probation for.
[19:24.040 --> 19:32.800]  And the second issue is that the court file does not have a complaint in it.
[19:32.800 --> 19:43.080]  And I was wondering if, you know, subject matter jurisdiction is an issue, Randy.
[19:43.080 --> 19:47.600]  We don't have near enough information to make any kind of comment concerning
[19:47.600 --> 19:52.920]  jurisdiction. We'd have to know a whole lot more about how this came about.
[19:52.920 --> 20:00.360]  And if she's going to a hearing tomorrow, it's probably a bit late to do anything.
[20:00.360 --> 20:07.600]  If you wanted to do something and get something presented in before the court,
[20:07.600 --> 20:12.160]  it would have had to have been in at least seven days prior, at least in Texas.
[20:12.160 --> 20:16.160]  And it's going to be similar or maybe even more time.
[20:16.160 --> 20:20.760]  We're trying to get it delayed because she had a C-section two weeks ago.
[20:20.760 --> 20:25.320]  So we have a medical issue, so she might get it delayed.
[20:25.320 --> 20:30.560]  So if I could bring it up to the attorney now.
[20:30.560 --> 20:36.440]  Yes, but it was not near enough information here to know.
[20:36.440 --> 20:38.680]  We have no idea what's going on.
[20:38.680 --> 20:43.600]  Well, she was charged with a crime of misdemeanor.
[20:43.600 --> 20:45.000]  She was arrested.
[20:45.000 --> 20:52.200]  Well, I mean, just on a general basis, I mean, Randy, if the statute says that
[20:52.200 --> 20:58.400]  only the owner can possibly be guilty of owning a car without insurance and she
[20:58.400 --> 21:04.240]  was not the owner of the car, it's kind of like Robert Fox getting charged with
[21:04.240 --> 21:06.720]  baritree. He's not even a licensed professional.
[21:06.720 --> 21:10.840]  So I mean, just what in general would somebody do in a situation like that
[21:10.840 --> 21:14.800]  where they're not even in a category to even qualify to be guilty of such a thing?
[21:14.800 --> 21:20.400]  I suspect, Michael, that you're mistaken on that score.
[21:20.400 --> 21:28.520]  I can own a car and not have it insured, but I can't operate that car on the
[21:28.520 --> 21:31.720]  public thoroughfare without it insured.
[21:31.720 --> 21:34.320]  That's where the crime will come in.
[21:34.320 --> 21:39.400]  And I suspect if you look at the transportation code in Connecticut
[21:39.400 --> 21:45.280]  carefully, the crime is going to be operating the motor vehicle without the
[21:45.280 --> 21:47.000]  insurance, not...
[21:47.000 --> 21:48.160]  There are two statutes.
[21:48.160 --> 21:52.040]  That statute is a ticket.
[21:52.040 --> 21:54.720]  The owning a car without insurance is a misdemeanor.
[21:54.720 --> 21:56.520]  And there's two separate statutes.
[21:56.520 --> 22:00.840]  One applies to the owner and one applies to the operator.
[22:00.840 --> 22:05.320]  And she pled guilty to a crime she couldn't commit?
[22:05.320 --> 22:09.480]  Yeah, well, you know, took her attorney's advice at the time, pled guilty and went
[22:09.480 --> 22:12.760]  on probation.
[22:12.760 --> 22:16.560]  Okay, there's got to be more to this.
[22:16.560 --> 22:20.000]  Well, what more could there be?
[22:20.000 --> 22:22.840]  Well, she got charged with another crime while she was on probation.
[22:22.840 --> 22:29.440]  So they charged her with violation of probation.
[22:29.440 --> 22:35.600]  Okay, so she's charged, was she not able to demonstrate that she didn't own the
[22:35.600 --> 22:36.600]  vehicle?
[22:36.600 --> 22:37.600]  I mean, wasn't that...
[22:37.600 --> 22:42.120]  No, it was never an issue because the attorney, it wasn't an issue until afterwards.
[22:42.120 --> 22:44.840]  It only came up after...
[22:44.840 --> 22:48.320]  Then file a challenge to the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[22:48.320 --> 22:55.400]  Okay, but also with the criminal complaint, it's not even in the file.
[22:55.400 --> 22:57.440]  You know what I'm saying?
[22:57.440 --> 22:58.440]  Is there any information?
[22:58.440 --> 23:01.680]  No, there's nothing.
[23:01.680 --> 23:04.720]  What is the charging instrument?
[23:04.720 --> 23:11.200]  It would be a summons or a complaint ticket, but there's nothing in there.
[23:11.200 --> 23:17.680]  No, then challenge the subject matter jurisdiction, that can be brought at any time.
[23:17.680 --> 23:22.960]  And the fact that she entered into a plea agreement is irrelevant.
[23:22.960 --> 23:27.520]  The attorney now says, oh, you can't do anything about that now, it's too late.
[23:27.520 --> 23:29.120]  File a bar grievance against the attorney.
[23:29.120 --> 23:32.720]  Yeah, I want to put him in a corner where he has to do something.
[23:32.720 --> 23:40.720]  I have a document on my website, if you'll go to jurisimprudence.com and click on the
[23:40.720 --> 23:47.280]  frog by documents and research.
[23:47.280 --> 23:51.800]  Then in there, you'll see a folder for blanks.
[23:51.800 --> 23:57.080]  Under blanks, there's a non-waiver document.
[23:57.080 --> 24:03.920]  Select the non-waiver, have her file that in the court.
[24:03.920 --> 24:13.160]  And if this is precisely as you say it is, you should file a challenge to the jurisdiction,
[24:13.160 --> 24:21.120]  a bar grievance against the attorney for failing to properly adjudicate the issues before the
[24:21.120 --> 24:22.120]  court.
[24:22.120 --> 24:27.000]  Let me think, what else?
[24:27.000 --> 24:31.120]  Primarily the challenge to the jurisdiction.
[24:31.120 --> 24:33.560]  You need to brief out the statute.
[24:33.560 --> 24:40.040]  Well, we did send a letter to our previous attorney, because we're on our third one now,
[24:40.040 --> 24:42.320]  to actually do the challenge to the jurisdiction.
[24:42.320 --> 24:48.640]  She was a public defender, but... Oh, she has a public defender?
[24:48.640 --> 24:49.640]  She did.
[24:49.640 --> 24:50.640]  Now we have an attorney.
[24:50.640 --> 24:58.560]  But past public defenders, we sent her a letter stating just that, that she wants to challenge
[24:58.560 --> 25:02.720]  the jurisdiction because of the issues I just told you about.
[25:02.720 --> 25:10.320]  And two days later, she filed a paper trying to remove herself off the case.
[25:10.320 --> 25:11.800]  Did the court remove her?
[25:11.800 --> 25:17.040]  No, I just hired somebody else after that, because she wasn't really working well for
[25:17.040 --> 25:18.040]  us.
[25:18.040 --> 25:19.040]  She should have hammered her good.
[25:19.040 --> 25:26.280]  Okay, the only problem with filing bar grievances is once you file them, you can't get any more
[25:26.280 --> 25:27.280]  attorneys.
[25:27.280 --> 25:32.000]  Nobody will touch you.
[25:32.000 --> 25:36.120]  You need to... Okay, what is this attorney saying here?
[25:36.120 --> 25:40.280]  This attorney says, in the past, we can't do anything about that.
[25:40.280 --> 25:44.200]  I didn't bring up the fact that there's no complaint in the file.
[25:44.200 --> 25:48.600]  I did bring up the fact that there was no warrant in the file when they rested on our
[25:48.600 --> 25:49.600]  case.
[25:49.600 --> 25:50.600]  The warrant's not there either.
[25:50.600 --> 25:55.720]  But I didn't bring up the fact that... Have you read the code in Connecticut concerning
[25:55.720 --> 25:58.720]  arrest without a warrant?
[25:58.720 --> 26:04.920]  Yeah, I'm not familiar with every... Okay, listen.
[26:04.920 --> 26:09.960]  You can't ask me for help when I'm in Texas if you haven't read the code.
[26:09.960 --> 26:13.880]  If you want to help... Actually, it does state in the code that the
[26:13.880 --> 26:21.040]  warrant can be returned to the court after it's served or after the warrant is served.
[26:21.040 --> 26:31.280]  You need to understand that code so that you can work with it effectively.
[26:31.280 --> 26:36.720]  If there's a requirement... Clearly, if there's no complaint in the court records, if there's
[26:36.720 --> 26:41.280]  no charging instrument, the court has no subject matter jurisdiction.
[26:41.280 --> 26:44.080]  Okay.
[26:44.080 --> 26:48.320]  You should... How much did you pay this attorney?
[26:48.320 --> 26:49.320]  Too much.
[26:49.320 --> 26:50.320]  Okay.
[26:50.320 --> 26:52.880]  He played around with the price, too, but he wants...
[26:52.880 --> 26:55.160]  They'd file a bug reintroduction, attorney.
[26:55.160 --> 27:07.680]  You filed this motion, and this notice in demand, it's listed on the side as non-waiver.
[27:07.680 --> 27:14.480]  It includes non-waiver of any rights, a demand the jurisdiction be considered first, and
[27:14.480 --> 27:23.520]  a non-waiver of rights in that you also relegate the attorney to second chair.
[27:23.520 --> 27:26.560]  Okay.
[27:26.560 --> 27:29.880]  If that attorney hasn't done his job, you file a bar grievance against him.
[27:29.880 --> 27:31.640]  You also have an objection.
[27:31.640 --> 27:40.560]  There's an objection in there to the attorney resigning or asking to be removed from the
[27:40.560 --> 27:43.680]  case because this is criminal.
[27:43.680 --> 27:51.600]  You have a right to your choice of counsel, and you choose this counsel.
[27:51.600 --> 27:57.120]  You let the attorney know you're not going to let him withdraw, and then you hammer him
[27:57.120 --> 28:00.880]  with a bar grievance.
[28:00.880 --> 28:04.920]  If it's the same there as it is in Texas, you file a bar grievance against him, he can't
[28:04.920 --> 28:05.920]  mention it to you.
[28:05.920 --> 28:06.920]  He's a fairly new attorney, too.
[28:06.920 --> 28:07.920]  He's not going to like that.
[28:07.920 --> 28:08.920]  This will get his attention.
[28:08.920 --> 28:09.920]  This will end his career.
[28:09.920 --> 28:20.080]  If he's a new attorney, you might want to tell him, look, I got these bar grievances
[28:20.080 --> 28:29.600]  against you, all of the issues he did not address.
[28:29.600 --> 28:33.120]  You got this much time.
[28:33.120 --> 28:37.120]  You don't adjudicate these cases, I'll file a bar grievance on each one of these.
[28:37.120 --> 28:38.120]  Sure call.
[28:38.120 --> 28:39.120]  Okay.
[28:39.120 --> 28:43.200]  That's what I did to my attorney in Austin, and he is terrified.
[28:43.200 --> 28:50.320]  I don't understand why... I mean, these attorneys would put themselves into a vulnerable position.
[28:50.320 --> 28:55.320]  I mean, knowing... I mean, maybe they don't know, but I mean, if you knew that all somebody
[28:55.320 --> 28:59.840]  had to do is file a bar grievance and ruin your career, I'll tell you what, I wouldn't
[28:59.840 --> 29:03.520]  spend all the thousands and thousands and tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars
[29:03.520 --> 29:08.160]  going to school and set myself up to be attorney when it's that easy for your career to go
[29:08.160 --> 29:09.160]  down.
[29:09.160 --> 29:10.160]  That's crazy.
[29:10.160 --> 29:17.800]  It is crazy, and the problem is the person goes to law school and they're going to get
[29:17.800 --> 29:19.920]  out of law school and change the world.
[29:19.920 --> 29:22.800]  They're going to help people and do the right thing.
[29:22.800 --> 29:26.360]  They get out and find out what they're really going to do, is they're going to kiss the
[29:26.360 --> 29:31.440]  judge's behinds, and you think this attorney likes that?
[29:31.440 --> 29:34.040]  All right, well listen, listen, we're about to go to break.
[29:34.040 --> 29:35.040]  Do we have any more for Michael?
[29:35.040 --> 29:36.040]  Right now?
[29:36.040 --> 29:37.040]  I'll address a little more when I come back.
[29:37.040 --> 29:39.680]  Okay, because we've got a bunch of callers on the line.
[29:39.680 --> 29:43.440]  We've got some first time callers too, Sam and Kimberly, I want to get to them, and the
[29:43.440 --> 29:44.440]  other callers have been waiting.
[29:44.440 --> 29:45.440]  Okay.
[29:45.440 --> 29:48.560]  All right, so just hang on the line, Michael, Randy has a few more words for you.
[29:48.560 --> 29:50.160]  We will be right back.
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[31:24.120 --> 31:26.120]  Okay, we are back.
[31:26.120 --> 31:28.120]  When are you going to stop abuse?
[31:28.120 --> 31:30.120]  The power.
[31:30.120 --> 31:32.120]  That's our power anyway.
[31:32.120 --> 31:34.120]  They're abusing.
[31:34.120 --> 31:36.120]  That we let them borrow.
[31:36.120 --> 31:37.120]  Got to take it back.
[31:37.120 --> 31:39.120]  Okay, we're on the line here with Michael from Connecticut.
[31:39.120 --> 31:42.120]  Okay, Randy, you had a couple more comments for Michael, and then we're going to go to
[31:42.120 --> 31:44.120]  some of our first time callers.
[31:44.120 --> 31:48.120]  Okay, you have an attorney who's a new attorney.
[31:48.120 --> 31:56.120]  If he gets, if Connecticut's like everywhere else, you file a bar grievance against him
[31:56.120 --> 31:59.120]  and he's history.
[31:59.120 --> 32:06.120]  His malpractice carrier will drop him like a hot potato.
[32:06.120 --> 32:12.120]  So that's why I said since he's a new attorney, you know, I hate ruining a guy's career right
[32:12.120 --> 32:15.120]  out of the box.
[32:15.120 --> 32:18.120]  Better now?
[32:18.120 --> 32:19.120]  Right, sting him quick.
[32:19.120 --> 32:23.120]  Give him plausible deniability.
[32:23.120 --> 32:29.120]  He's concerned if he does anything the judge doesn't like, the judge will screw his next
[32:29.120 --> 32:32.120]  client to get back at him.
[32:32.120 --> 32:36.120]  And that is a very valid concern.
[32:36.120 --> 32:40.120]  I specifically picked him because he doesn't work in the area.
[32:40.120 --> 32:43.120]  It doesn't help.
[32:43.120 --> 32:46.120]  I tell you, it doesn't help a bit.
[32:46.120 --> 32:51.120]  The judges, you screw, you mess with one judge, the other judge will screw you just to get
[32:51.120 --> 32:53.120]  back at him.
[32:53.120 --> 33:00.120]  Okay, so what you got to do is engage the judges on your side.
[33:00.120 --> 33:05.120]  You see, the judges help to train new attorneys.
[33:05.120 --> 33:09.120]  They teach them the ropes and they kind of help bring them along.
[33:09.120 --> 33:15.120]  Well, you get an attorney with a client that's out of control.
[33:15.120 --> 33:21.120]  So the judge kind of has to help the attorney because they created the situation.
[33:21.120 --> 33:27.120]  So you give him a client that's going to start filing bar grievances against him if he doesn't
[33:27.120 --> 33:30.120]  do this thing or that thing.
[33:30.120 --> 33:33.120]  And now the judge is stuck.
[33:33.120 --> 33:34.120]  So what does he do?
[33:34.120 --> 33:37.120]  Screw the litigant?
[33:37.120 --> 33:42.120]  So he files more bar grievances and ruins his attorney's career?
[33:42.120 --> 33:47.120]  Now he gets all the other attorneys more worried about the client than they are of him.
[33:47.120 --> 33:50.120]  So you're saying the judge is going to try to protect the lawyer?
[33:50.120 --> 33:52.120]  Exactly.
[33:52.120 --> 33:55.120]  That's precisely what he's going to do.
[33:55.120 --> 33:56.120]  Oh, boy.
[33:56.120 --> 33:57.120]  I can see it.
[33:57.120 --> 33:58.120]  He's one of them.
[33:58.120 --> 33:59.120]  Why not?
[33:59.120 --> 34:00.120]  I know.
[34:00.120 --> 34:05.120]  Well, of course, because if the lawyer's career gets ruined, he won't be able to bring the
[34:05.120 --> 34:07.120]  judge any more cases and get his kickbacks.
[34:07.120 --> 34:11.120]  I told him that I picked him because I told him to his face, I said, I picked you because,
[34:11.120 --> 34:14.120]  you know, I hope you're not too comfortable with the judges around here.
[34:14.120 --> 34:19.120]  He said, the only person I'm comfortable with is my girlfriend.
[34:19.120 --> 34:23.120]  At least he didn't say your girlfriend.
[34:23.120 --> 34:26.120]  Good point.
[34:26.120 --> 34:27.120]  I'm sorry.
[34:27.120 --> 34:29.120]  Take him to task on that.
[34:29.120 --> 34:30.120]  Yeah.
[34:30.120 --> 34:33.120]  You go to him, this is what you're going to do.
[34:33.120 --> 34:36.120]  And he's going to say, wow, I'm the one that has to run this case.
[34:36.120 --> 34:38.120]  Yes, you are.
[34:38.120 --> 34:41.120]  But I'm the one that can write the bar grievances.
[34:41.120 --> 34:43.120]  So, touche.
[34:43.120 --> 34:47.120]  You want to dance with me or you want to do your job?
[34:47.120 --> 34:49.120]  Put him on the dime.
[34:49.120 --> 34:55.120]  Now, if he was a seasoned attorney, the only way he would know I was upset is when the
[34:55.120 --> 35:00.120]  Bar Association notified him that I had filed a grievance against him because I wouldn't
[35:00.120 --> 35:01.120]  say a thing to him about it.
[35:01.120 --> 35:06.120]  And if he mentioned it to me, I'd file a bar grievance for that.
[35:06.120 --> 35:13.120]  So go on the website and download that non-waiver and read it over a couple of times.
[35:13.120 --> 35:15.120]  And if I have any errors in there, let me know.
[35:15.120 --> 35:16.120]  I just reworked it this morning.
[35:16.120 --> 35:18.120]  I may have some grammatical or...
[35:18.120 --> 35:20.120]  You file that into the court file?
[35:20.120 --> 35:21.120]  Yeah.
[35:21.120 --> 35:23.120]  It's not a motion or anything.
[35:23.120 --> 35:25.120]  It's notice and demand.
[35:25.120 --> 35:31.120]  You notice to them that you do not waive any rights, that the court shall not consider
[35:31.120 --> 35:37.120]  that you waived any rights unless that right is waived in court with full disclosure, free
[35:37.120 --> 35:42.120]  of coercion in writing with counsel present.
[35:42.120 --> 35:46.120]  But you also relegate counsel to second chair.
[35:46.120 --> 35:49.120]  So you let the judge know he's not making the decisions here.
[35:49.120 --> 35:50.120]  I am.
[35:50.120 --> 35:52.120]  He's not responsible for what gets done here.
[35:52.120 --> 35:54.120]  I am.
[35:54.120 --> 36:01.120]  And it also notices the judge as the judge fails to adequately apply the law to the facts,
[36:01.120 --> 36:09.120]  you will consider it an act of mis, mal, or non-feasance, whichever is appropriate.
[36:09.120 --> 36:18.120]  So you kind of throw down the gauntlet and let them know, you either file a law or we're going to fight.
[36:18.120 --> 36:21.120]  Let's hope I can get this delayed.
[36:21.120 --> 36:25.120]  Just go to the website and download that document and look it over.
[36:25.120 --> 36:30.120]  We used to call it a Mother Hubbard motion, but I've added a lot more to it.
[36:30.120 --> 36:32.120]  Calls are really stacking up.
[36:32.120 --> 36:33.120]  Yeah, we're going to...
[36:33.120 --> 36:34.120]  Sorry, Michael.
[36:34.120 --> 36:38.120]  Pull the document down, read it a couple times, then call back in tomorrow night.
[36:38.120 --> 36:39.120]  We'll talk about it.
[36:39.120 --> 36:40.120]  All right, thanks.
[36:40.120 --> 36:41.120]  Okay, thanks.
[36:41.120 --> 36:42.120]  Thanks, Michael.
[36:42.120 --> 36:44.120]  Okay, we're going to move on now.
[36:44.120 --> 36:46.120]  We're going to go to some of our first-time callers.
[36:46.120 --> 36:48.120]  I would like to go to first-time callers.
[36:48.120 --> 36:49.120]  We've got a lot of callers.
[36:49.120 --> 36:50.120]  Callers just hang on the line.
[36:50.120 --> 36:52.120]  We will get to all your calls.
[36:52.120 --> 36:55.120]  Okay, I want to go to Sam in Georgia.
[36:55.120 --> 36:57.120]  Hey, Sam, thanks for calling in.
[36:57.120 --> 37:00.120]  First-time caller, what's on your mind tonight?
[37:00.120 --> 37:01.120]  Many, many things.
[37:01.120 --> 37:05.120]  But I'd like to start with a traffic ticket.
[37:05.120 --> 37:10.120]  I'm a few days behind because I'm listening to podcasts, you know.
[37:10.120 --> 37:14.120]  So the last show I heard was the one with T on it.
[37:14.120 --> 37:21.120]  And man, she had my hair standing up because, I mean, the ideas were just really, really...
[37:21.120 --> 37:23.120]  So here's the deal.
[37:23.120 --> 37:24.120]  I have...
[37:24.120 --> 37:26.120]  And by the way, Randy, this is funny.
[37:26.120 --> 37:31.120]  On the bottom of the ticket where the officer signs, it actually says,
[37:31.120 --> 37:33.120]  Signature of Arresting Officer.
[37:33.120 --> 37:41.120]  So does that mean that actually a traffic stop and being detained while I'm being written the ticket,
[37:41.120 --> 37:44.120]  is that actually technically an arrest?
[37:44.120 --> 37:50.120]  Technically, physically, in every way you can look at it, you are arrested.
[37:50.120 --> 37:51.120]  How about that?
[37:51.120 --> 37:55.120]  If you don't sign that ticket, you're going to jail.
[37:55.120 --> 38:00.120]  Or at least he has the option of taking you to jail.
[38:00.120 --> 38:04.120]  In this town, it would have been a nice ride to the old who's gal.
[38:04.120 --> 38:06.120]  Well, here's the deal.
[38:06.120 --> 38:11.120]  I know one of the shows, you were talking about the accepted value thing.
[38:11.120 --> 38:16.120]  Should I try that or should I just go in the court and try some of your other stuff?
[38:16.120 --> 38:19.120]  Oh, somebody was talking about accepted value.
[38:19.120 --> 38:20.120]  It wasn't me.
[38:20.120 --> 38:21.120]  It might not have been you.
[38:21.120 --> 38:22.120]  It might have been a guess.
[38:22.120 --> 38:24.120]  I made these notes a few weeks ago.
[38:24.120 --> 38:25.120]  Right.
[38:25.120 --> 38:27.120]  And actually, we got so many calls, I couldn't.
[38:27.120 --> 38:32.120]  But on this show, I was going to ask you guys to teach me for a change.
[38:32.120 --> 38:33.120]  Oh, okay.
[38:33.120 --> 38:37.120]  And I was going to ask you to teach me about the commercial method.
[38:37.120 --> 38:40.120]  But I didn't get to that because I got so many calls.
[38:40.120 --> 38:42.120]  I have never seen that work in court.
[38:42.120 --> 38:43.120]  Well, wait a minute.
[38:43.120 --> 38:44.120]  No, it has worked.
[38:44.120 --> 38:45.120]  It has worked.
[38:45.120 --> 38:54.120]  But maybe we might want to have Wendy and the Agenda 21 guys hang on the air into our show tomorrow night
[38:54.120 --> 39:00.120]  because they've already done like two shows on accepted for value and what that means and how to go about using it.
[39:00.120 --> 39:01.120]  Very good idea.
[39:01.120 --> 39:06.120]  I owe those guys anyway, chomping me on their show.
[39:06.120 --> 39:07.120]  Oh, they were chomping you.
[39:07.120 --> 39:09.120]  It was funny.
[39:09.120 --> 39:12.120]  It was all in good fun, though, Randy.
[39:12.120 --> 39:15.120]  They weren't really insulting you.
[39:15.120 --> 39:16.120]  Yeah, I know.
[39:16.120 --> 39:17.120]  I like it that way.
[39:17.120 --> 39:20.120]  It makes for more interesting repertoire.
[39:20.120 --> 39:24.120]  But yeah, now I'm not saying the commercial doesn't work.
[39:24.120 --> 39:32.120]  And I am struggling to try to find pieces of the commercial that will give leverage.
[39:32.120 --> 39:33.120]  That's why I like this.
[39:33.120 --> 39:36.120]  You just haven't had a chance to study it in depth yet, Randy.
[39:36.120 --> 39:37.120]  That's all.
[39:37.120 --> 39:37.120]  Exactly.
[39:37.120 --> 39:38.120]  Exactly.
[39:38.120 --> 39:39.120]  I haven't.
[39:39.120 --> 39:42.120]  And I need people who know what they're talking about.
[39:42.120 --> 39:50.120]  Well, your thing is you ask for the information indictment and stipulate for a jury trial.
[39:50.120 --> 39:52.120]  That's your tactic generally.
[39:52.120 --> 39:54.120]  My thing is statutory.
[39:54.120 --> 39:55.120]  Statutory.
[39:55.120 --> 39:58.120]  It's not just indictment.
[39:58.120 --> 40:01.120]  The devil is in the details.
[40:01.120 --> 40:02.120]  Yeah, boy.
[40:02.120 --> 40:03.120]  You need to look at it.
[40:03.120 --> 40:04.120]  You need to read the code.
[40:04.120 --> 40:07.120]  If you have an issue, it's a single issue.
[40:07.120 --> 40:11.120]  You look at the law as a whole, and it's incredibly complex.
[40:11.120 --> 40:14.120]  But you're only looking at one little issue.
[40:14.120 --> 40:18.120]  You can focus on that issue and pull out the details.
[40:18.120 --> 40:30.120]  I was looking at mortgages last night or yesterday, and I went to the mortgage, and there was a place there about HUD insuring the mortgages.
[40:30.120 --> 40:33.120]  Nobody seemed to catch that.
[40:33.120 --> 40:35.120]  Wait a minute.
[40:35.120 --> 40:38.120]  HUD is insuring the mortgage?
[40:38.120 --> 40:41.120]  And the mortgage is fraud?
[40:41.120 --> 40:49.120]  So HUD has been paying these mortgages, paying insurance on these foreclosures, and the mortgages are fraud to start with?
[40:49.120 --> 40:51.120]  HUD should get all their money back.
[40:51.120 --> 40:53.120]  See, it's in the details.
[40:53.120 --> 40:55.120]  Look at what went on.
[40:55.120 --> 40:57.120]  Read the code.
[40:57.120 --> 41:00.120]  Read your transportation code.
[41:00.120 --> 41:03.120]  It's not near as big as you think it is.
[41:03.120 --> 41:05.120]  Right.
[41:05.120 --> 41:08.120]  You look at it, and it looks big, but everything's outlined.
[41:08.120 --> 41:11.120]  So there's lots of white space.
[41:11.120 --> 41:16.120]  And I tell you, you read the code, it'll read like a comedy.
[41:16.120 --> 41:19.120]  Well, I best when I stack this ticket up next to it.
[41:19.120 --> 41:22.120]  I'm sure it will be comical.
[41:22.120 --> 41:32.120]  Read it two or three times, so second time, third time you read it, you really start putting pieces together, not necessarily in order.
[41:32.120 --> 41:35.120]  And that's the problem the police and the prosecutors have.
[41:35.120 --> 41:37.120]  They don't study it.
[41:37.120 --> 41:38.120]  No, they don't.
[41:38.120 --> 41:43.120]  So they don't know how to fit the pieces together front to back and the middle.
[41:43.120 --> 41:48.120]  And once you've read it a couple of times, it's not that complex.
[41:48.120 --> 41:51.120]  You read something in the front, and you read something in the middle.
[41:51.120 --> 41:53.120]  You read something in the back, and you say, wait a minute.
[41:53.120 --> 41:55.120]  That's what that guy was talking about up there.
[41:55.120 --> 41:58.120]  And a few of those pieces start fitting together.
[41:58.120 --> 42:01.120]  And when you go into court, you are bad boos.
[42:01.120 --> 42:03.120]  Yeah, because you know what?
[42:03.120 --> 42:06.120]  I had a lawyer tell me – I had an officer just a couple years ago.
[42:06.120 --> 42:11.120]  He just – as soon as he got to the top of the hill, he pops his blue lights on.
[42:11.120 --> 42:13.120]  He's traveling in the opposite direction.
[42:13.120 --> 42:16.120]  And he turns around, of course, chases me down.
[42:16.120 --> 42:25.120]  I clocked his 53 into 35, and I thought, well, he must have been hanging out the window like John Wayne with the radar gun because I didn't – you know.
[42:25.120 --> 42:27.120]  And he was moving in the opposite direction.
[42:27.120 --> 42:36.120]  My wife works for a law firm, and so one of her buddies told me, oh, yeah, well, yeah, they have those affixed to the rearview mirror.
[42:36.120 --> 42:38.120]  So, you know, it's all calibrated.
[42:38.120 --> 42:40.120]  And of course, so I'm like a dummy.
[42:40.120 --> 42:41.120]  You know, I'm going, well, what the hell?
[42:41.120 --> 42:45.120]  I don't want to lose the whole day's worth of work going down there.
[42:45.120 --> 42:46.120]  That's more than a ticket.
[42:46.120 --> 42:48.120]  So I was like a nice guy.
[42:48.120 --> 42:49.120]  I paid it.
[42:49.120 --> 42:54.120]  And then one day I just was at my wife's office waiting on her for lunch or something, and I decided to get through.
[42:54.120 --> 43:05.120]  You know, I start reading in the traffic code, and of course, they can't pop you while you're moving in the opposite direction while they're moving in the opposite – you know.
[43:05.120 --> 43:07.120]  Well, actually, they can't.
[43:07.120 --> 43:11.120]  Not in Georgia, or at least not in the same code at that time.
[43:11.120 --> 43:12.120]  Oh, okay.
[43:12.120 --> 43:14.120]  But, you know, it was like, oh, man.
[43:14.120 --> 43:17.120]  And I completely lost faith in lawyers.
[43:17.120 --> 43:18.120]  So this time –
[43:18.120 --> 43:20.120]  Yo, that was a good move.
[43:20.120 --> 43:29.120]  Yeah, I said, you know what, well, because what you said about Corpus Juris Secundum, they're an officer of the court, and their first duty is to the court.
[43:29.120 --> 43:31.120]  That's not the reason.
[43:31.120 --> 43:33.120]  It is not their fault.
[43:33.120 --> 43:37.120]  The judges will screw them if they do a good job.
[43:37.120 --> 43:46.120]  Well, what I think he's trying to say is that it's in the Corpus Juris Secundum that the lawyer's first duty is not to their client, and that's even written down.
[43:46.120 --> 43:47.120]  All right, listen, hold on.
[43:47.120 --> 43:48.120]  Hold on.
[43:48.120 --> 43:49.120]  We're going to break.
[43:49.120 --> 43:54.120]  Okay, if you have any more comments, you can finish up on the other side, and then we're going to go to Kimberly and others.
[43:54.120 --> 43:59.120]  We'll be right back.
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[45:07.120 --> 45:08.120]  Okay, we are back.
[45:08.120 --> 45:17.120]  The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, of course.
[45:17.120 --> 45:27.120]  We are here right now, we're taking your calls, 512-646-1984, and we are speaking with Sam in Georgia.
[45:27.120 --> 45:30.120]  Okay, Randy, you had a couple comments for Sam?
[45:30.120 --> 45:32.120]  Yes.
[45:32.120 --> 45:34.120]  Read the code.
[45:34.120 --> 45:38.120]  There's nothing that can do you more good than reading the code.
[45:38.120 --> 45:48.120]  Read the transportation code, read the penal code, and read the Code of Criminal Procedure.
[45:48.120 --> 45:53.120]  Now, when you read the penal code, there will be sections in there that don't have anything to do with what you're doing.
[45:53.120 --> 45:57.120]  Family law, you don't need to read family law.
[45:57.120 --> 46:03.120]  Real estate, you don't need to read real estate, so you can go through it rather quickly.
[46:03.120 --> 46:07.120]  And once you went through it the first time, then you know the parts that apply.
[46:07.120 --> 46:09.120]  Then go through it a second time.
[46:09.120 --> 46:12.120]  Code of Criminal Procedure, same way.
[46:12.120 --> 46:20.120]  Then when you go into court, you will be a step ahead of every attorney in the building.
[46:20.120 --> 46:31.120]  And then consider how much your fine is, and then look on our website and look at jurisdictionary.
[46:31.120 --> 46:40.120]  You go through the jurisdictionary course, and you will be way ahead of most attorneys out there.
[46:40.120 --> 46:41.120]  Right.
[46:41.120 --> 46:46.120]  What's in jurisdictionary is not taught in law school.
[46:46.120 --> 46:50.120]  Attorneys learn this once they get out.
[46:50.120 --> 46:55.120]  So if you go through jurisdictionary, it's only a couple hundred bucks.
[46:55.120 --> 46:57.120]  Right, it's only $150.
[46:57.120 --> 47:02.120]  Well, a couple tickets, you'll get that back quickly.
[47:02.120 --> 47:08.120]  I've never spent less than $175 to $195 in this city.
[47:08.120 --> 47:10.120]  You read jurisdictionary.
[47:10.120 --> 47:14.120]  There are people I talk to, and I can tell they've read it.
[47:14.120 --> 47:17.120]  Because I say, well, you need to do this.
[47:17.120 --> 47:18.120]  And they say, I did that.
[47:18.120 --> 47:19.120]  You need to do this.
[47:19.120 --> 47:20.120]  I did that.
[47:20.120 --> 47:21.120]  I had a guy in Michigan.
[47:21.120 --> 47:22.120]  He was a step ahead of me on everything.
[47:22.120 --> 47:24.120]  I said, have you been through jurisdictionary?
[47:24.120 --> 47:25.120]  Oh, yeah.
[47:25.120 --> 47:28.120]  This will be the best thing you can do.
[47:28.120 --> 47:35.120]  The main thing it will do is give you a feeling of control again, that you can actually handle these guys.
[47:35.120 --> 47:36.120]  We really need to move along.
[47:36.120 --> 47:37.120]  Got lots of callers.
[47:37.120 --> 47:41.120]  And people for jurisdictionary, please order it on our website.
[47:41.120 --> 47:42.120]  All right.
[47:42.120 --> 47:44.120]  Let me get this real quick one in.
[47:44.120 --> 47:54.120]  So the hearings in the next couple of days, should I go in and just ask for a jury trial to put it off so I can have time to do all this research?
[47:54.120 --> 47:55.120]  Yes.
[47:55.120 --> 47:56.120]  You recommend that?
[47:56.120 --> 47:57.120]  Yeah.
[47:57.120 --> 47:58.120]  I think that would be a good idea.
[47:58.120 --> 47:59.120]  Thank you, ma'am.
[47:59.120 --> 48:00.120]  Command the jury trial.
[48:00.120 --> 48:01.120]  That will put it off.
[48:01.120 --> 48:06.120]  And then before you get to court, waive the jury trial because juries are bad news.
[48:06.120 --> 48:07.120]  They always find us guilty.
[48:07.120 --> 48:10.120]  You can always waive it later.
[48:10.120 --> 48:11.120]  Oh, okay.
[48:11.120 --> 48:12.120]  Excellent.
[48:12.120 --> 48:13.120]  Thank you, ma'am.
[48:13.120 --> 48:14.120]  Thank you, sir.
[48:14.120 --> 48:15.120]  All right.
[48:15.120 --> 48:16.120]  Thank you, Sam.
[48:16.120 --> 48:17.120]  Okay.
[48:17.120 --> 48:19.120]  We're going to go on now to our next caller, another first-time caller.
[48:19.120 --> 48:22.120]  This is Kimberly in Texas.
[48:22.120 --> 48:23.120]  Kimberly, thanks for calling in.
[48:23.120 --> 48:24.120]  What's on your mind tonight?
[48:24.120 --> 48:25.120]  Yes.
[48:25.120 --> 48:27.120]  You just said jury trials are bad.
[48:27.120 --> 48:34.120]  Well, I just got convicted of a guilty verdict for Williamson County for unnecessary use of my horn.
[48:34.120 --> 48:35.120]  What?
[48:35.120 --> 48:37.120]  Oh, man.
[48:37.120 --> 48:38.120]  Wait a minute.
[48:38.120 --> 48:40.120]  Yeah, and the officer, huh?
[48:40.120 --> 48:43.120]  There is no such crime.
[48:43.120 --> 48:44.120]  Yeah, it is.
[48:44.120 --> 48:49.120]  It says the statute provides a motor vehicle operator shall use a horn to provide audible warning only.
[48:49.120 --> 48:55.120]  And the officer actually took the stand and said I only honked my horn one time, one time.
[48:55.120 --> 48:58.120]  And I still was convicted of guilty.
[48:58.120 --> 49:00.120]  Do you have a jury?
[49:00.120 --> 49:02.120]  Yes, I had a jury trial.
[49:02.120 --> 49:04.120]  Juries are bad news.
[49:04.120 --> 49:05.120]  Yeah.
[49:05.120 --> 49:06.120]  Why do they always convict us?
[49:06.120 --> 49:07.120]  Okay.
[49:07.120 --> 49:11.120]  They're annoyed that they have to come down for a traffic ticket.
[49:11.120 --> 49:14.120]  They don't feel like it's important enough.
[49:14.120 --> 49:20.120]  And they want to believe the police.
[49:20.120 --> 49:25.120]  You're listening to this program, so you're obviously awake.
[49:25.120 --> 49:32.120]  What you may not realize is that 90% of the people out there are not.
[49:32.120 --> 49:42.120]  And if you go to your neighbor and say the police are bigger criminals than the criminal, it's not that they won't believe you.
[49:42.120 --> 49:43.120]  They can't.
[49:43.120 --> 49:44.120]  I don't know, Randy.
[49:44.120 --> 49:46.120]  I think more and more people are thinking that nowadays.
[49:46.120 --> 49:47.120]  I hope.
[49:47.120 --> 49:52.120]  And that they're actually afraid to go to their neighbors for getting the reaction that you described.
[49:52.120 --> 50:03.120]  Yeah, and people, you ask somebody to accept that you are living in a police state worse than Nazi Germany.
[50:03.120 --> 50:05.120]  We can't accept that.
[50:05.120 --> 50:06.120]  That's too frightening.
[50:06.120 --> 50:07.120]  Yeah.
[50:07.120 --> 50:15.120]  So we will go into denial, most every jury I've ever been in front of was clearly in denial.
[50:15.120 --> 50:19.120]  They just could not accept that the policeman was wrong.
[50:19.120 --> 50:27.120]  It was the headlines on Russia Today about the U.S. government being involved in pulling off 9-11.
[50:27.120 --> 50:31.120]  So that's why juries are a problem.
[50:31.120 --> 50:34.120]  You want to win your case on point of law.
[50:34.120 --> 50:41.120]  So how do I, do I appeal it or because they charged me $236 for unnecessary use of my horn,
[50:41.120 --> 50:46.120]  my only constant warrant at a guy that was blocking the turnaround.
[50:46.120 --> 50:49.120]  Well, I don't see how that's an unnecessary use.
[50:49.120 --> 50:50.120]  Sounds like a-
[50:50.120 --> 50:51.120]  It was a cop.
[50:51.120 --> 50:52.120]  It was a cop that was blocking the turnaround.
[50:52.120 --> 50:57.120]  And he admitted I was in an unidentifiable vehicle, a blue car.
[50:57.120 --> 50:59.120]  He was just in a blue car.
[50:59.120 --> 51:02.120]  And he had no lights, nothing.
[51:02.120 --> 51:03.120]  And he was like, well, you know I'm an officer.
[51:03.120 --> 51:04.120]  I was like, no, I didn't.
[51:04.120 --> 51:07.120]  You didn't have any police or anything.
[51:07.120 --> 51:08.120]  And he goes, well, that's true.
[51:08.120 --> 51:12.120]  But you should have seen my bars through my windows because they were fully tinted.
[51:12.120 --> 51:14.120]  Fully tinted windows.
[51:14.120 --> 51:16.120]  And I don't know what to do because I'm just so-
[51:16.120 --> 51:18.120]  Okay, then, okay, call in tomorrow.
[51:18.120 --> 51:20.120]  We'll have more time.
[51:20.120 --> 51:23.120]  But between today and tomorrow, read your ticket.
[51:23.120 --> 51:24.120]  Okay.
[51:24.120 --> 51:31.120]  Look on there where it tells you to appear or see if it says that you're required to appear on or before a certain date.
[51:31.120 --> 51:33.120]  Okay.
[51:33.120 --> 51:35.120]  And then we'll talk about that tomorrow in URI.
[51:35.120 --> 51:39.120]  And we can still get it thrown out even though the jury trials already happened?
[51:39.120 --> 51:41.120]  Oh, absolutely.
[51:41.120 --> 51:42.120]  That's what I thought.
[51:42.120 --> 51:43.120]  Really?
[51:43.120 --> 51:45.120]  No subject matter jurisdiction.
[51:45.120 --> 51:47.120]  But we've got a lot of callers.
[51:47.120 --> 51:48.120]  Okay.
[51:48.120 --> 51:50.120]  If you call in tomorrow night, we'll spend some time on that.
[51:50.120 --> 51:51.120]  Okay.
[51:51.120 --> 51:52.120]  Thank you so much, Randy.
[51:52.120 --> 51:54.120]  We'll find it really interesting.
[51:54.120 --> 51:57.120]  Yeah, and Eddie will be with us tomorrow night, and he's a traffic code guy.
[51:57.120 --> 52:00.120]  Okay.
[52:00.120 --> 52:01.120]  All right.
[52:01.120 --> 52:02.120]  Thank you.
[52:02.120 --> 52:04.120]  Thanks, Kimberly.
[52:04.120 --> 52:05.120]  Okay.
[52:05.120 --> 52:11.120]  We're going to go now to Ralph in Texas.
[52:11.120 --> 52:12.120]  Hey, Ralph, thanks for calling in.
[52:12.120 --> 52:15.120]  What's on your mind tonight?
[52:15.120 --> 52:18.120]  Do we have a Ralph?
[52:18.120 --> 52:20.120]  Are you talking to me?
[52:20.120 --> 52:22.120]  I'm talking to Ralph, yes.
[52:22.120 --> 52:23.120]  It's you.
[52:23.120 --> 52:24.120]  What's on your mind?
[52:24.120 --> 52:29.120]  That is the name of the man who has the name on the phone bill.
[52:29.120 --> 52:30.120]  Oh, okay.
[52:30.120 --> 52:32.120]  Well, what name do you want to go by?
[52:32.120 --> 52:33.120]  Well, my name is Charles.
[52:33.120 --> 52:34.120]  Okay, Charles.
[52:34.120 --> 52:35.120]  What's on your mind?
[52:35.120 --> 52:41.120]  I'm a first-time caller, and I'm calling at the behest of a man by the name of Bobby Collard,
[52:41.120 --> 52:44.120]  which perhaps Randy knows or not.
[52:44.120 --> 52:45.120]  I don't know.
[52:45.120 --> 52:50.120]  But I'm intrigued by what you all are doing, and I think you're doing a great thing.
[52:50.120 --> 52:54.120]  To get right to the point, and I'll just kind of start at the beginning.
[52:54.120 --> 52:56.120]  This is my issue.
[52:56.120 --> 53:03.120]  On the 8th of January of this year, I went to take a walk in a park within the city of Plano, Texas,
[53:03.120 --> 53:09.120]  and someone called the police on me because they said that I was doing my thing,
[53:09.120 --> 53:14.120]  which was walking around the park and at one point sitting in my car to eat breakfast
[53:14.120 --> 53:20.120]  with the heater going before I went to school where I was working as a substitute teacher.
[53:20.120 --> 53:24.120]  Someone called the police, saying I was acting suspicious.
[53:24.120 --> 53:33.120]  I'm going towards the school, and a big nasty Plano cop pulls up in my rear-view mirror,
[53:33.120 --> 53:36.120]  and so I'm in the center lane.
[53:36.120 --> 53:40.120]  I change lanes to the left-hand lane.
[53:40.120 --> 53:43.120]  The signal marker is clearly indicated.
[53:43.120 --> 53:47.120]  He moves over, flashes his lights, and I pull over,
[53:47.120 --> 53:51.120]  and the first thing he says is that he pulled me over.
[53:51.120 --> 53:55.120]  The first thing he starts doing is asking me questions about why I'm in the park.
[53:55.120 --> 54:02.120]  Then he goes on to say that the reason why he pulled me over was because I failed to signal a lane change.
[54:02.120 --> 54:07.120]  I don't know how much time you have, but it's kind of an interesting thing.
[54:07.120 --> 54:14.120]  I got the police video, and I've got all sorts of evidence from the Plano Police Department,
[54:14.120 --> 54:20.120]  and there is no evidence on the video footage that I made an illegal lane change.
[54:20.120 --> 54:24.120]  The only one that he records is one where I have my signal.
[54:24.120 --> 54:33.120]  I actually got a letter from the Plano Police Technology Liaison Officer,
[54:33.120 --> 54:41.120]  whatever the title was, saying that the cop has no capacity whatsoever to alter the video.
[54:41.120 --> 54:46.120]  Basically, the cop within the video, when I question him on the video,
[54:46.120 --> 54:53.120]  is saying, I don't think I changed lanes illegally, he says, oh, yes, I've already reviewed it, that you did,
[54:53.120 --> 54:57.120]  but the video shows that I did not, and there's no record that I did.
[54:57.120 --> 55:01.120]  So, number one, does that constitute an illegal stop?
[55:01.120 --> 55:03.120]  Yes, it does.
[55:03.120 --> 55:04.120]  Okay.
[55:04.120 --> 55:07.120]  And what did he cite you?
[55:07.120 --> 55:11.120]  He wrote me a warning for an illegal lane change,
[55:11.120 --> 55:18.120]  and this is after we're going back and forth for like 20 minutes, you know.
[55:18.120 --> 55:23.120]  If you were held for 20 minutes, then you were under arrest.
[55:23.120 --> 55:24.120]  Yeah.
[55:24.120 --> 55:27.120]  That's beyond the limits of a Terry stop.
[55:27.120 --> 55:29.120]  Beyond the limits of a Terry stop.
[55:29.120 --> 55:31.120]  So, you owe it.
[55:31.120 --> 55:35.120]  If you're a teacher, you're one of us.
[55:35.120 --> 55:42.120]  You need to teach our kids how to be a good steward, a good citizen.
[55:42.120 --> 55:49.120]  Find a criminal complaint with the local municipal judge.
[55:49.120 --> 55:53.120]  Criminal complaint with the local municipal judge.
[55:53.120 --> 55:57.120]  For false imprisonment.
[55:57.120 --> 55:58.120]  Okay.
[55:58.120 --> 56:03.120]  I'm writing all this down, and I actually was looking at the code,
[56:03.120 --> 56:07.120]  the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure today on the advice of my friend Bobby,
[56:07.120 --> 56:10.120]  who recommended me to you because he was very emphatic.
[56:10.120 --> 56:11.120]  Look at the code.
[56:11.120 --> 56:12.120]  Look at the code.
[56:12.120 --> 56:14.120]  And listening to you, you're saying the same thing.
[56:14.120 --> 56:15.120]  Look at the code.
[56:15.120 --> 56:19.120]  And I'm looking at the penal code, and the best thing,
[56:19.120 --> 56:21.120]  the only thing that I can think of...
[56:21.120 --> 56:24.120]  Well, let me just continue with the story for one second.
[56:24.120 --> 56:25.120]  Okay.
[56:25.120 --> 56:31.120]  So, he's questioning me about walking in the park,
[56:31.120 --> 56:34.120]  which, you know, I took a walk in the park,
[56:34.120 --> 56:37.120]  and he's trying to construe that because I live in the city of Richardson,
[56:37.120 --> 56:42.120]  which is just south of Plano, that my going there to walk was unusual,
[56:42.120 --> 56:47.120]  which seemed to me as if he was trying to construe this thing as my acting suspiciously.
[56:47.120 --> 56:51.120]  So, he goes back, he checks my license, he's in the car,
[56:51.120 --> 56:54.120]  and you can hear his voice on the video recording saying,
[56:54.120 --> 56:57.120]  I'm going to ask him to see if I can search his car.
[56:57.120 --> 57:04.120]  And he's saying that to another fellow Plano cop that had pulled up to be as a witness to this whole thing.
[57:04.120 --> 57:12.120]  So, he runs my license plate and whatever, and you can hear on the video Charles Torello clear,
[57:12.120 --> 57:16.120]  you know, as if I'm potentially carrying a bomb or something, you know,
[57:16.120 --> 57:20.120]  just the indignity of it all just is enraging that, you know,
[57:20.120 --> 57:24.120]  you can take a walk and somebody's subjected to this sort of perusal.
[57:24.120 --> 57:29.120]  And so, the guy says, oh, yeah, can you come back and talk with me for a second?
[57:29.120 --> 57:32.120]  He asks if I can search my car.
[57:32.120 --> 57:35.120]  I tell him, no, what I have in my car is not your business.
[57:35.120 --> 57:39.120]  And meanwhile, I have locked my car when I got out of it.
[57:39.120 --> 57:41.120]  Good man.
[57:41.120 --> 57:47.120]  You know, I saw some video on YouTube saying, lock your car when you get out, so I locked my car.
[57:47.120 --> 57:52.120]  And, you know, we're going, you know, he's going back and forth, and he's saying, you know,
[57:52.120 --> 57:57.120]  I said, I told him, no, you don't have any right to search my car.
[57:57.120 --> 58:02.120]  And at that point, it's him and his buddy, cop, who stared me down, you know,
[58:02.120 --> 58:05.120]  which is kind of a humiliating situation.
[58:05.120 --> 58:10.120]  And I didn't know what to do, so I just started saying, look, why are you treating me like this?
[58:10.120 --> 58:14.120]  Why are you treating me like garbage? Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?
[58:14.120 --> 58:16.120]  He says, no, you're not free to go and blah, blah, blah.
[58:16.120 --> 58:21.120]  So, I hear the music playing. What do you want me to do?
[58:21.120 --> 58:24.120]  Yeah, just hang on to the other side so you can finish your story.
[58:24.120 --> 58:25.120]  Okay.
[58:25.120 --> 58:27.120]  Yeah, and believe me, I know how you feel.
[58:27.120 --> 58:31.120]  If you're a first-time listener, you may not have heard my story last week
[58:31.120 --> 58:33.120]  about the feds harassing me when I was at the Rainbow Gather.
[58:33.120 --> 58:36.120]  But basically, same kind of thing, except they didn't even ask my permission.
[58:36.120 --> 58:40.120]  They just told us to get out and search the car.
[58:40.120 --> 58:43.120]  We can spread the humiliation around a bit.
[58:43.120 --> 58:44.120]  Yeah, we've all suffered it.
[58:44.120 --> 58:46.120]  Mirror it on the cops a little bit.
[58:46.120 --> 58:51.120]  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's time for them to take their turn.
[58:51.120 --> 58:56.120]  And I got stuff in store for Officer Hayes, that's for sure, the U.S. Forest Service.
[58:56.120 --> 59:24.120]  We'll be right back.
[59:24.120 --> 59:27.120]  Okay?
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[01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:16.880]  Okay, chant down Babylon. That's what we're doing here. We're doing something about it
[01:00:16.880 --> 01:00:23.880]  too. Okay, Ralph, please continue. I'm sorry, Charles. I saw Ralph on the screen. Charles,
[01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:33.920]  please continue your story, Charles.
[01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:40.280]  Okay, and I will try to be as concise and non-rambling as I can. So, we're going back
[01:00:40.280 --> 01:00:47.000]  and forth. The two cops are staring at me. I'm standing outside my car, and I had just
[01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:53.160]  told them that I do not want them searching my car. And, you know, there was a point where
[01:00:53.160 --> 01:00:58.400]  the cop said, yeah, okay, you have that right. And then, you know, maybe I should have just
[01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:05.400]  stood there and let them make the next move, but I thought it prudent to express my indignation
[01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:10.940]  for their subjecting me to this. And I just said, you know, what have I done? And at one
[01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:16.220]  point I asked him if I'm free to go. He said, no, you're not free to go. And then one thing
[01:01:16.220 --> 01:01:20.580]  led to, and then he starts getting, look, you know, you're putting up all sorts of red
[01:01:20.580 --> 01:01:26.980]  flags, and all I'm doing is asking questions. Yes, I'm indignant, but my voice has raised
[01:01:26.980 --> 01:01:33.600]  several octaves to, I think, effectively demonstrate that I was not, I was a little intimidated
[01:01:33.600 --> 01:01:39.500]  by the situation. And so, you know, to me it doesn't show that I was in any way hostile
[01:01:39.500 --> 01:01:42.780]  to him, but he's saying, you know, you're throwing up all sorts of red flags, and I've
[01:01:42.780 --> 01:01:46.940]  been doing this 15 years, and, you know, blah, blah, blah, and I have the right to do it,
[01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:52.620]  and, you know, all that stuff. And then the next thing I know, he says, well, you know,
[01:01:52.620 --> 01:01:59.620]  I have to search you for weapons. So he passed me down, and, you know, to be blunt, he touches
[01:01:59.620 --> 01:02:05.060]  me in an area that I don't like, which may or may not have been standard operating procedure
[01:02:05.060 --> 01:02:11.940]  of a pat-down, but, you know, man to man, you know, I don't really want to have my masculinity
[01:02:11.940 --> 01:02:18.620]  touched by some filthy pig on my way to work. I certainly have no desire to violate another
[01:02:18.620 --> 01:02:23.740]  man like that, and it is enraging, and it is demeaning, and it makes me want to go up
[01:02:23.740 --> 01:02:29.540]  to him and say, let's settle this the old way. But, you know, so he pats me down, and
[01:02:29.540 --> 01:02:35.620]  then he tries to get into my car, and he says, well, you know, he says, why do you have your
[01:02:35.620 --> 01:02:39.340]  door locked? I said, because I don't want you getting in my car. He says, I'm getting
[01:02:39.340 --> 01:02:46.140]  in my car, sir, for my safety. I said, so you're saying you must go into my car? He
[01:02:46.140 --> 01:02:54.820]  says, yes, I must check your car for weapons, and so he made the pat-down be something born
[01:02:54.820 --> 01:03:01.340]  of his need to check me for weapons, and then he searched my car, born of something to check
[01:03:01.340 --> 01:03:05.860]  weapons, when none of my behavior demonstrated that I was going to an accident.
[01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:08.260]  Wait a minute, did he actually wind up searching the car?
[01:03:08.260 --> 01:03:12.900]  Yes, he did, because he threatened me with the, he said he threatened me with the, he
[01:03:12.900 --> 01:03:18.220]  threatened me with the rest for an illegal lane change if I did not give him the keys
[01:03:18.220 --> 01:03:19.820]  to the car. And at that point, you know...
[01:03:19.820 --> 01:03:20.820]  When did this occur?
[01:03:20.820 --> 01:03:23.660]  This was on the 8th of January of this year.
[01:03:23.660 --> 01:03:30.740]  Deb, do you remember when that latest case came out on search?
[01:03:30.740 --> 01:03:39.020]  No, I have, I might be Arizona versus Johnson, which was December 9, 2008, which I have right
[01:03:39.020 --> 01:03:45.820]  in front of me, which says, stop and frisk two conditions must be met. First, the investigatory
[01:03:45.820 --> 01:03:52.660]  stop, temporary detention must be lawful and require, it must be lawful a requirement
[01:03:52.660 --> 01:03:57.460]  met in an on-the-street encounter when a police officer reasonably suspects that the person
[01:03:57.460 --> 01:03:59.900]  apprehended is committing or has committed a crime.
[01:03:59.900 --> 01:04:05.980]  And that reason under a Terry stop must be articulatable.
[01:04:05.980 --> 01:04:12.460]  Okay. Yeah, not just, you're putting up a bunch of red flags.
[01:04:12.460 --> 01:04:15.780]  Okay. False imprisonment.
[01:04:15.780 --> 01:04:22.060]  Okay. Now, and then, so this will lead to another question. The second part of that
[01:04:22.060 --> 01:04:27.980]  case says, second, to proceed from a stop to a frisk, pass down for weapons, the officer
[01:04:27.980 --> 01:04:33.140]  must reasonably suspect that the person stopped is armed and dangerous. And this is a Supreme
[01:04:33.140 --> 01:04:39.820]  Court ruling. Now, according, you know, if he would say he had reasonable suspicion that
[01:04:39.820 --> 01:04:43.460]  I was armed and dangerous, that the video suggests very much otherwise, at least in
[01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:51.140]  my humble opinion. You know, my question is, this is what the Supreme Court says, and I've
[01:04:51.140 --> 01:04:55.220]  been looking for the code, and I don't know, and I've looked in the penal code and I've
[01:04:55.220 --> 01:05:01.720]  looked in the criminal court of procedure, is that the only necessary source to bring
[01:05:01.720 --> 01:05:06.280]  about to file a criminal complaint? I mean, how do you utilize the rulings of the Supreme
[01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:12.340]  Court to effectively write a complaint? Oh, this is, this goes to something a little more
[01:05:12.340 --> 01:05:19.060]  subtle. Okay. It goes to sovereignty. Now, we have a lot of guys in legal reform throwing
[01:05:19.060 --> 01:05:28.000]  the word sovereignty around. Yeah. I don't. I am a sovereign. And what that means is,
[01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:37.940]  I may do anything that I am not specifically forbidden to do by statute, as opposed to
[01:05:37.940 --> 01:05:48.100]  a public official who may only do what statute specifically authorizes him to do. It's a
[01:05:48.100 --> 01:05:53.420]  real important mindset when you're thinking about, how can I file a criminal complaint?
[01:05:53.420 --> 01:06:00.100]  Well, you can file it any way you want to. There's nothing telling you how or when or
[01:06:00.100 --> 01:06:05.180]  why you can file a criminal complaint. So, are you suggesting that I file it in the capacity
[01:06:05.180 --> 01:06:10.940]  of a sovereign against this other man who should be as subjected to the Texas criminal
[01:06:10.940 --> 01:06:15.420]  code as anyone, regardless of the fact that he has a badge and a gun issued to him by
[01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:22.420]  Plano police? Okay. If you want to wind this guy's clock, I can tell you just exactly
[01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:30.740]  how to do that. Okay. And you do that by preparing a verified criminal affidavit. If you'll look
[01:06:30.740 --> 01:06:37.420]  on my website, jurisimprudence.com. Yes, sir. I was there last night. Okay. Look in the
[01:06:37.420 --> 01:06:43.820]  blank section and pull down a blank criminal complaint. Blank criminal. That's that one
[01:06:43.820 --> 01:06:50.020]  page thing that you have, correct? Yeah. It's titled, and okay, wait, I, your name being
[01:06:50.020 --> 01:06:53.740]  duly sworn do state upon my oath that I have personal knowledge. Is that the one you're
[01:06:53.740 --> 01:06:58.420]  talking about? Yes. Okay. I have that paper right in front of me. Okay. I think, did it
[01:06:58.420 --> 01:07:03.860]  say personal knowledge? If it did, I need to fix it. It says, I blank being duly sworn
[01:07:03.860 --> 01:07:07.060]  do state upon my oath that I have personal knowledge. I have good reason to believe and
[01:07:07.060 --> 01:07:12.420]  do believe based upon the following information. That's your verbiage. Okay. Let me check.
[01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:20.020]  I have personal knowledge or, does it have or? No, it says I have personal knowledge.
[01:07:20.020 --> 01:07:26.180]  Oh, it should be or, I suppose. Yeah, it should be or. I'll go check it to make sure. Okay.
[01:07:26.180 --> 01:07:31.140]  To file a criminal complaint, you don't have to have personal knowledge. Okay. But in your
[01:07:31.140 --> 01:07:37.060]  case, it would be okay to say you have personal knowledge because you do. Uh-huh. But if you
[01:07:37.060 --> 01:07:42.340]  tell me that you saw somebody else commit a crime and I believe you, but you don't want
[01:07:42.340 --> 01:07:48.260]  to, you know this person and you're afraid to file on him, I can do that. Yeah. And I
[01:07:48.260 --> 01:07:54.540]  don't have to have any personal knowledge. Police use it all the time. So, you fill out
[01:07:54.540 --> 01:08:00.380]  a criminal complaint and in that center section, it starts out with a paragraph saying that
[01:08:00.380 --> 01:08:08.620]  I have personal knowledge or reason to believe and do believe based on the following. It's
[01:08:08.620 --> 01:08:16.860]  a small, short statement of probable cause and then I therefore, on and before the filing
[01:08:16.860 --> 01:08:22.140]  of this document, I've charged that so and so committed such and such a crime. That's
[01:08:22.140 --> 01:08:28.420]  all there is to a criminal complaint. Okay. You have that verified. That's a notary stamp.
[01:08:28.420 --> 01:08:36.060]  Okay. Okay. Before I file it in that municipal, in the Plano Municipal Court. Yes. What you
[01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:42.980]  do, you see. Go right into the den of vipers, huh? Yes. Oh, you will like this part. You
[01:08:42.980 --> 01:08:48.580]  go into court when they're having court and you do this little song and dance. You go
[01:08:48.580 --> 01:08:53.460]  up to the bailiff and you call him over. Generally, he'll be back behind the bar and you point
[01:08:53.460 --> 01:08:58.340]  at him and say, come here, you. Are you the bailiff? Come here. They don't like that.
[01:08:58.340 --> 01:09:03.540]  They don't like being summoned. Yeah. Well, you know, they're not your servants. Right.
[01:09:03.540 --> 01:09:08.100]  So you tell him, instruct the judge that I have the first thing you do is tell him your
[01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:13.980]  name. When I do this, I say, my name is Randall Kelton. Instruct the judge that I have business
[01:09:13.980 --> 01:09:18.860]  with the court. And he will say, may I tell the judge in a true to business? No, you may
[01:09:18.860 --> 01:09:24.060]  not. I have business with the court and it's none of yours. And then I generally tell him
[01:09:24.060 --> 01:09:32.540]  you're dismissed and I go walk away from him and go sit down. And that infuriates them.
[01:09:32.540 --> 01:09:41.060]  The problem is the judge is watching. He sees all this go on and he sees you dismiss his
[01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:45.780]  bailiff and his bailiff runs up to him and says, there's a jackass out here that he's
[01:09:45.780 --> 01:09:49.820]  doing this and he's doing that. The judge looks out at you and you're going to be sitting
[01:09:49.820 --> 01:09:57.060]  there holding this folder. And the judge wants to know what's in it. And every time I've
[01:09:57.060 --> 01:10:01.100]  done this, the judge would say, when he got to a break, he'd say, Mr. Kelton, I understand
[01:10:01.100 --> 01:10:05.340]  you have business with the court. And you hold up the folder and say, yes, your honor,
[01:10:05.340 --> 01:10:11.380]  may I approach? And what that means is, can I give you this document? And he will almost
[01:10:11.380 --> 01:10:17.820]  invariably send the bailiff over to get the document, take it, give it to the judge. And
[01:10:17.820 --> 01:10:25.020]  when he opens it up and looks at it, he stops being the judge at that point. Why is that?
[01:10:25.020 --> 01:10:32.060]  Because he's looking at a criminal affidavit, a verified criminal affidavit. It's a verified
[01:10:32.060 --> 01:10:38.460]  criminal affidavit. It is a complaint as opposed to complaining. If you go to the police and
[01:10:38.460 --> 01:10:43.260]  file a complaint with the police, you're complaining. Yeah. I have yet to do that and I didn't know
[01:10:43.260 --> 01:10:49.580]  how much value that would be. Zero. Yeah. You go to the judge and give him a verified
[01:10:49.580 --> 01:10:57.420]  criminal affidavit. That's filing a criminal complaint. Now the judge is made known by
[01:10:57.420 --> 01:11:01.700]  verified criminal affidavit that the crime has been committed and it invokes his duty
[01:11:01.700 --> 01:11:10.540]  as a magistrate. At that point, he stops being a judge and becomes a magistrate. It's a second
[01:11:10.540 --> 01:11:19.540]  hat. Now he doesn't necessarily- Is the magistrate the constitutional one? Yes. That's him active
[01:11:19.540 --> 01:11:25.300]  acting in the capacity of the du jour, the state of Texas as opposed to the corporate
[01:11:25.300 --> 01:11:31.140]  all capital letter. I never go to that place. I stay right in the statutory. Which is the
[01:11:31.140 --> 01:11:41.620]  constitution? No. Which is the corporate. Yeah. You stay in the all caps one. Yeah,
[01:11:41.620 --> 01:11:46.660]  I stay in all caps. I can handle it just fine. Not a problem. I don't need the constitution.
[01:11:46.660 --> 01:11:53.460]  Okay. Because everything that's in the constitution is codified in statute. They don't want to
[01:11:53.460 --> 01:11:58.900]  talk about constitution? No problem. We'll do it with the statutes, Bubba. It's all in
[01:11:58.900 --> 01:12:06.380]  there. So I give him the criminal complaint. It invokes his duty as stipulated in Article
[01:12:06.380 --> 01:12:16.340]  2.10 Code of Criminal Procedure. 2.10 Code of- I'll be looking that up. Okay. That requires
[01:12:16.340 --> 01:12:25.500]  him to hold an examining trial under 2.11. When a judge sits for the purpose of examining
[01:12:25.500 --> 01:12:30.340]  into a criminal accusation, that's an examining trial. An examining trial is held under Chapter
[01:12:30.340 --> 01:12:38.060]  16. He takes off his judge's hat. He puts on his magistrate's hat. I bushwhacked Bob
[01:12:38.060 --> 01:12:42.820]  Perkins, head criminal district judge, Travis County with criminal complaints just that
[01:12:42.820 --> 01:12:48.500]  way and he said, well, Mr. Kelton, district judges in Travis County don't take criminal
[01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:54.660]  complaints. Oh, no problem, Judge. I'm not invoking your duty as a district judge. I'm
[01:12:54.660 --> 01:12:59.100]  invoking your duty as a magistrate and that's a duty from which you may not shield yourself.
[01:12:59.100 --> 01:13:12.460]  Okay. Okay. Is that what it says in 2.10? No. 2.10 just gives him the duty. Okay. But
[01:13:12.460 --> 01:13:19.740]  where is it stated that he may not shield himself from his magistrate duty? It's not.
[01:13:19.740 --> 01:13:29.420]  Okay. This is the part to understand. He may only do what he's specifically authorized
[01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:35.220]  to do. And he has to do what he's required to do. Exactly. Under all circumstances. That
[01:13:35.220 --> 01:13:43.340]  would be misfeasance in office if he did not. If he fails to perform his magisterial duty
[01:13:43.340 --> 01:13:49.460]  and denies you and your right to petition the court for a redress of grievance, what
[01:13:49.460 --> 01:13:56.380]  constitutional amendment does that go to? Oh, good gosh. You would try to shame me.
[01:13:56.380 --> 01:14:01.260]  I don't know which one. Okay. Fourth amendment. I'm sorry. First amendment. Right to petition
[01:14:01.260 --> 01:14:07.860]  the court for redress of grievance. Is that first? I think it's first. No. That doesn't
[01:14:07.860 --> 01:14:17.420]  sound like first. That's right to free speech, freedom of religion. See, we're both screwed
[01:14:17.420 --> 01:14:23.420]  it up. It's either the first or the fourth. Yeah. I think it's more the fourth. But anyway,
[01:14:23.420 --> 01:14:30.620]  constitutional right. Michael Bannerick, if he heard this, he would skin me alive. But
[01:14:30.620 --> 01:14:37.700]  anyway, you have invoked his duty to examine into the sufficiency of the allegation. And
[01:14:37.700 --> 01:14:41.620]  there's a whole slew of stuff he's required to do that they never do.
[01:14:41.620 --> 01:14:48.780]  Okay. Now, here's the thing. Knowledge is power. And I can tell that fat old man, that
[01:14:48.780 --> 01:14:54.420]  fat old Mason, good gosh, I can think of a bunch of cuss words to string together right
[01:14:54.420 --> 01:15:00.660]  now. But, you know, I can tell him that he has a duty to operate in the capacity of a
[01:15:00.660 --> 01:15:09.060]  magistrate in examining this criminal complaint. But, you know, it always helps to have some
[01:15:09.060 --> 01:15:15.500]  read some stuff to where you can articulate some better reasons to him trying to squirm
[01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:19.260]  out of it as opposed to him just yelling, I'm not going to play this game and
[01:15:19.260 --> 01:15:28.740]  Okay, let him squirm out of it. Okay. Do not allow the officials to get you in a confrontation
[01:15:28.740 --> 01:15:36.540]  with them. No, I know that I'm not that you are the sovereign here. These I go to these
[01:15:36.540 --> 01:15:42.580]  guys and literally set them up. I don't want the judge to do what he's supposed to because
[01:15:42.580 --> 01:15:47.860]  if he does, I can't keep him in his behind. Yeah, I hear you. And what I generally if
[01:15:47.860 --> 01:15:53.740]  I say tell him anything at all as I tell him, well, Bubba, life is filled with little decisions,
[01:15:53.740 --> 01:16:01.580]  we all get to make some your turn. Make whatever decision you want to because when you're through,
[01:16:01.580 --> 01:16:07.900]  I'm going to the next step. And by this procedure, you start going after the judge and then you'll
[01:16:07.900 --> 01:16:11.860]  go after the prosecutor and then the district judge. And this cop is sitting back there
[01:16:11.860 --> 01:16:19.380]  waiting for you to get back to him. It's very good for his ego. And it's very good to help
[01:16:19.380 --> 01:16:26.220]  him adjust his attitude. Yeah. Well, and Plano police are, why don't you call back in tomorrow
[01:16:26.220 --> 01:16:30.020]  when we'll have more time. We're really stacked with callers. Okay. Hey, hey, thanks a lot.
[01:16:30.020 --> 01:16:35.300]  But can I Hello? Yeah, go ahead. Quickly. I just want to ask one one question real quick.
[01:16:35.300 --> 01:16:40.100]  What do we do it after the break? We'll pick up. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. Well,
[01:16:40.100 --> 01:16:43.900]  you can have one question. I'll let you go on the other callers. Okay. All right. When
[01:16:43.900 --> 01:16:47.820]  we come back, ask your question. Then we're going to move on. We've got Carrie from Arizona,
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[01:19:46.300 --> 01:19:52.740]  Okay, just real quick in the criminal complaint, am I am invoking the Texas Code of Criminal
[01:19:52.740 --> 01:19:56.780]  Procedure or am I invoking the Supreme Court decision or a mixture of both?
[01:19:56.780 --> 01:20:01.380]  Oh, this is everything I do for the most part is in code.
[01:20:01.380 --> 01:20:02.380]  Okay.
[01:20:02.380 --> 01:20:10.700]  And in code, it doesn't say that you can file a complaint. What it says is, is that when
[01:20:10.700 --> 01:20:15.340]  a police officer is made known that a crime has been committed, he shall reduce complaint,
[01:20:15.340 --> 01:20:20.380]  he shall present the complaint to some magistrate. It says when a prosecutor attorney is made
[01:20:20.380 --> 01:20:27.460]  known in any manner, I'm sorry, when a complaint is presented to a prosecutor attorney, he's
[01:20:27.460 --> 01:20:30.020]  to present the complaint to some magistrate.
[01:20:30.020 --> 01:20:31.620]  I read that just today.
[01:20:31.620 --> 01:20:38.860]  Okay. Nothing directs anyone to present a complaint to a police officer or a prosecuting
[01:20:38.860 --> 01:20:46.020]  attorney. But then there's nothing that says you can't. So you can. And everybody is directed
[01:20:46.020 --> 01:20:51.900]  to give them to some magistrate. And you can also give them to some magistrate. And what
[01:20:51.900 --> 01:20:57.060]  I do is when the magistrate doesn't do his job, I hammer the magistrate. My next complaint
[01:20:57.060 --> 01:21:02.660]  goes to the district attorney against the magistrate. If you read 204 and 5, you also
[01:21:02.660 --> 01:21:08.940]  read 203. Go back and read 2.03 again very carefully.
[01:21:08.940 --> 01:21:09.940]  Okay.
[01:21:09.940 --> 01:21:17.620]  It's a prosecuting attorney. Now consider 2.03. You got 2.01 says, shall be primary
[01:21:17.620 --> 01:21:21.300]  due to the prosecuting attorney not to secure conviction, but to ensure that justice is
[01:21:21.300 --> 01:21:27.540]  served. Well, that's high-minded rhetoric. But it really doesn't tell him to do anything.
[01:21:27.540 --> 01:21:35.140]  202 tells him what cases he'll handle. 2.03, first one, to give him a duty.
[01:21:35.140 --> 01:21:37.420]  Neglect of duty, it's entitled.
[01:21:37.420 --> 01:21:43.540]  Exactly. On a public official, he addresses public officials before it addresses citizens.
[01:21:43.540 --> 01:21:48.580]  He has no option. You give him a complaint against a public official, he must give it
[01:21:48.580 --> 01:21:52.940]  to the grand jury. You give one to him, he won't give it to the grand jury. You take
[01:21:52.940 --> 01:21:55.900]  one against him and file it with the grand jury.
[01:21:55.900 --> 01:22:00.620]  Yes. The cop is guilty of neglect of duty too, is he not?
[01:22:00.620 --> 01:22:05.740]  Yes, he is. But the cop's sitting there watching you hammer everybody else because they're
[01:22:05.740 --> 01:22:07.220]  not hammering him.
[01:22:07.220 --> 01:22:08.220]  Yes.
[01:22:08.220 --> 01:22:10.260]  Tomorrow night, we'll have more time.
[01:22:10.260 --> 01:22:15.460]  Absolutely. Randy, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. I look forward to speaking with
[01:22:15.460 --> 01:22:16.460]  you tomorrow night.
[01:22:16.460 --> 01:22:17.460]  All right. Thanks, Ron.
[01:22:17.460 --> 01:22:22.220]  This is my subject. You're right on my subject. We'll spend some more time on that tomorrow
[01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:23.220]  night.
[01:22:23.220 --> 01:22:24.220]  All right.
[01:22:24.220 --> 01:22:25.220]  Cool, Randy. Best of luck to you. Bye-bye.
[01:22:25.220 --> 01:22:29.300]  Thanks, Ralph. I mean, I'm sorry, Ralph. Thanks, Charles. Thanks, Charles. We'll talk to you
[01:22:29.300 --> 01:22:30.300]  tomorrow night, Charles.
[01:22:30.300 --> 01:22:36.180]  Now we get to go to Steve Skidmark. Oh, oh, I shouldn't have done that. It's my sense
[01:22:36.180 --> 01:22:40.180]  of humor. I am sick, twisted, and perverted because I have a sense of humor.
[01:22:40.180 --> 01:22:43.380]  Okay. We're going to go to Steve Skidmore and then we're going to Kerry in Arizona.
[01:22:43.380 --> 01:22:44.380]  Steve, go ahead.
[01:22:44.380 --> 01:22:50.060]  Yes. Sorry about that. I pressed the wrong button. I would like to address a couple of
[01:22:50.060 --> 01:22:54.980]  things from your previous callers. Kimberly, subject matter jurisdiction can be raised
[01:22:54.980 --> 01:23:04.460]  at any time even after a conviction. Sam, go see Terry versus Ohio. That will explain
[01:23:04.460 --> 01:23:13.060]  what a Terry stop is. Charles in Plano, I would suggest that you go to bravenewbookstore.com
[01:23:13.060 --> 01:23:20.260]  and order a book by Charles A. Wiseman called A Treatise on Arrest and False Imprisonment.
[01:23:20.260 --> 01:23:31.540]  There's a lot to learn in there. Now, who's who in this ladder of corporate policehood,
[01:23:31.540 --> 01:23:37.980]  I guess you could call it. I'm going to read something real quick from the Texas Open Records
[01:23:37.980 --> 01:23:40.940]  Act or Public Information Act.
[01:23:40.940 --> 01:23:42.500]  The preamble?
[01:23:42.500 --> 01:23:44.180]  Say again?
[01:23:44.180 --> 01:23:45.180]  The preamble?
[01:23:45.180 --> 01:23:46.180]  Yes.
[01:23:46.180 --> 01:23:54.180]  Oh, I don't know who wrote that and one of my primary studies is how to write well. I
[01:23:54.180 --> 01:23:57.300]  would that I could produce something that well written.
[01:23:57.300 --> 01:23:58.300]  Okay.
[01:23:58.300 --> 01:23:59.300]  Go ahead.
[01:23:59.300 --> 01:24:00.300]  You need to do what I speak.
[01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:01.300]  Okay. Go ahead.
[01:24:01.300 --> 01:24:02.300]  Go ahead, Steve.
[01:24:02.300 --> 01:24:05.300]  Hang on just a second. Okay. Can you say that again?
[01:24:05.300 --> 01:24:13.500]  We were just telling you go ahead, Steve. Read the thing.
[01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:23.060]  Section 522.001, policy construction. A, under the fundamental philosophy of the American
[01:24:23.060 --> 01:24:29.740]  constitutional form of representative government that adheres to the principles that government
[01:24:29.740 --> 01:24:37.120]  is the servant and not the master of the people. It is the policy of this state that each person
[01:24:37.120 --> 01:24:44.820]  is entitled unless otherwise expressly provided by law at all times to complete information
[01:24:44.820 --> 01:24:52.300]  about the affairs of government and the official acts of public officers and employees. The
[01:24:52.300 --> 01:24:58.580]  people in delegating authority do not give their public servants the right to decide
[01:24:58.580 --> 01:25:04.300]  what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist
[01:25:04.300 --> 01:25:10.620]  on remaining informed so that they, excuse me, so that they may retain control over the
[01:25:10.620 --> 01:25:17.300]  instruments they have created. The provision of this chapter shall be liberally construed
[01:25:17.300 --> 01:25:22.140]  to implement this policy. Isn't that beautiful?
[01:25:22.140 --> 01:25:23.460]  They took something out.
[01:25:23.460 --> 01:25:24.460]  Did they?
[01:25:24.460 --> 01:25:31.580]  It used to say the people are the masters of the government, not the servants.
[01:25:31.580 --> 01:25:38.940]  Well, they kind of turned it around then I guess. It says here that, let me read it again,
[01:25:38.940 --> 01:25:42.860]  that government that adheres to the principles...
[01:25:42.860 --> 01:25:48.900]  Keith, we lost you for a second. Go ahead.
[01:25:48.900 --> 01:25:57.900]  Yeah, okay. I hope you didn't hear that. Government that adheres, I'm sorry, government that adheres
[01:25:57.900 --> 01:26:02.140]  to the principles that government is the servant and not the master.
[01:26:02.140 --> 01:26:04.140]  Oh, there it is. Okay, good.
[01:26:04.140 --> 01:26:06.020]  Yes, that was in the first sentence.
[01:26:06.020 --> 01:26:09.060]  I missed that. The servant and not the master.
[01:26:09.060 --> 01:26:15.340]  Correct. Correct. Now we know who's who in this chain of command. Something I wanted
[01:26:15.340 --> 01:26:20.980]  to talk to Eddie about, and I wish he was on tonight, but you might know Randy. I spoke
[01:26:20.980 --> 01:26:28.820]  with him earlier this week and he pointed me towards Texas Statute's transportation
[01:26:28.820 --> 01:26:40.900]  code Title VII, Subtitle A, Chapter 502, Subchapter A. I'm reading here that in this section they
[01:26:40.900 --> 01:26:55.980]  have both commercial motor vehicle and motor vehicle defined. Number 2 under 502.001 states
[01:26:55.980 --> 01:27:03.380]  commercial motor vehicle means a motor vehicle other than a motorcycle designated for the
[01:27:03.380 --> 01:27:11.220]  use primarily to transport property. It goes on now down here where it says motor vehicle.
[01:27:11.220 --> 01:27:18.500]  This is what I found interesting. Motor vehicle means any vehicle that is self-propelled, period.
[01:27:18.500 --> 01:27:25.220]  Now how in the world do we work our way around that? Do you know where I'm going?
[01:27:25.220 --> 01:27:27.220]  Yes.
[01:27:27.220 --> 01:27:33.220]  Everywhere I read a definition for motor vehicle, anywhere else, it refers you to it being a
[01:27:33.220 --> 01:27:42.580]  commercial term that a motor vehicle is used in commerce. But here in this section, number
[01:27:42.580 --> 01:27:48.620]  13 says clearly motor vehicle means a vehicle that is self-propelled.
[01:27:48.620 --> 01:27:53.540]  Okay. What is this? What's the context of this section?
[01:27:53.540 --> 01:27:56.460]  It's definitions.
[01:27:56.460 --> 01:28:00.060]  Definitions for what?
[01:28:00.060 --> 01:28:07.020]  Everything. Section 502.001, definitions. In this chapter, all terrain vehicles, it
[01:28:07.020 --> 01:28:14.860]  starts off with all terrain vehicles. Let's see, commercial motor vehicles department.
[01:28:14.860 --> 01:28:18.340]  What does it say for commercial motor vehicles?
[01:28:18.340 --> 01:28:24.580]  Commercial motor vehicle means a motor vehicle up. There we go again, up. Damn it.
[01:28:24.580 --> 01:28:26.580]  I heard that.
[01:28:26.580 --> 01:28:31.940]  Well, obviously they're making a distinction between motor vehicle and commercial motor
[01:28:31.940 --> 01:28:32.940]  vehicle.
[01:28:32.940 --> 01:28:33.940]  Yes, they are.
[01:28:33.940 --> 01:28:37.700]  That's a problem because in most of the code, they don't stipulate.
[01:28:37.700 --> 01:28:44.300]  Right. Under commercial motor vehicle, it says a motor vehicle other than a motorcycle
[01:28:44.300 --> 01:28:51.860]  designated or I'm sorry, designed or used primarily to transport property, period. The
[01:28:51.860 --> 01:29:01.140]  term includes a passenger car reconstructed and used primarily for delivery purposes.
[01:29:01.140 --> 01:29:07.300]  The term does not include a passenger car used to deliver the United States mail.
[01:29:07.300 --> 01:29:10.060]  Okay. That's a commercial motor vehicle?
[01:29:10.060 --> 01:29:12.900]  Yes, that is a commercial motor vehicle.
[01:29:12.900 --> 01:29:16.460]  Motor vehicle is far shorter and far less sweet.
[01:29:16.460 --> 01:29:31.340]  Now, where I'm going with this is how do we determine in this particular definition, how
[01:29:31.340 --> 01:29:34.460]  do we connect that to a commercial use?
[01:29:34.460 --> 01:29:37.540]  That's technical enough that that's going to be Craig's...
[01:29:37.540 --> 01:29:39.540]  That's going to be for Eddie, I'm afraid.
[01:29:39.540 --> 01:29:42.780]  That's what I thought. I've got one more thing, guys, and then I'll let you go.
[01:29:42.780 --> 01:29:45.020]  Okay. All right. Stay on to the other side, Steve.
[01:29:45.020 --> 01:29:46.020]  Thank you, Deb.
[01:29:46.020 --> 01:29:50.340]  All right. We're going back to break and then when we get back on the other side, we're
[01:29:50.340 --> 01:29:58.540]  going to take Kerry from Arizona, George and Marcus. We'll be right back.
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[01:30:56.540 --> 01:31:16.860]  Okay, we are back. The rules of law. Okay, Steve, go ahead. You had one other comment,
[01:31:16.860 --> 01:31:17.860]  one other question.
[01:31:17.860 --> 01:31:25.220]  Yes, something that I found very, very interesting. We go to transportation code again, Texas
[01:31:25.220 --> 01:31:39.420]  transportation code, Title VII, Subtitle A, Chapter 501 and go down to Chapter 2. Where
[01:31:39.420 --> 01:31:48.140]  is it? I've got it highlighted here. There it is. Okay. I'm sorry, Subchapter B of Chapter
[01:31:48.140 --> 01:31:57.380]  1, 501.021, Certificate of Title A. A motor vehicle certificate of title is an instrument
[01:31:57.380 --> 01:32:04.420]  issued by the department that includes 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. The number on the vehicle
[01:32:04.420 --> 01:32:12.380]  current Texas license plate, if any. Now, if any is what I find interesting in that
[01:32:12.380 --> 01:32:21.100]  particular... Referential index for if any. Does it refer to if any license plate or if
[01:32:21.100 --> 01:32:28.540]  any number 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? I see what you're asking. Okay. I didn't look at it both ways
[01:32:28.540 --> 01:32:33.580]  like that. That's what I like about you, Randy. You think about all the directions. Let me
[01:32:33.580 --> 01:32:41.140]  say it again, number 6. The number on the vehicle's current Texas license plate, if
[01:32:41.140 --> 01:32:50.180]  any. Now, if it does refer to plate, it doesn't state whether it's a farm vehicle or farm
[01:32:50.180 --> 01:33:00.820]  truck or a farm trailer or anything like that. Okay. Hold on. The number. Well, if it is
[01:33:00.820 --> 01:33:08.780]  a license plate, it has a number on it. Correct. That's not something in question. That would
[01:33:08.780 --> 01:33:17.860]  lead to indicate that if any does not refer to number but to the presence of the plate.
[01:33:17.860 --> 01:33:25.500]  It's just about got to. Because if it was a plate, there would as a matter of course
[01:33:25.500 --> 01:33:34.380]  be a number. Correct. I've never seen a blank license plate. Right. I haven't either. Or
[01:33:34.380 --> 01:33:41.980]  I have never seen a license plate in the United States. There are. A vanity plate doesn't
[01:33:41.980 --> 01:33:49.780]  have numbers necessarily. Correct. So it's unclear what that means unless there's something
[01:33:49.780 --> 01:33:57.020]  else that clarifies what it means. What does the rest of the statute say? It includes number
[01:33:57.020 --> 01:34:03.100]  1, the name and address of the purchaser. Now, again, this is for the title. Name and
[01:34:03.100 --> 01:34:10.060]  address of the purchaser or seller at the first sale or the transfer or transferee or
[01:34:10.060 --> 01:34:16.380]  transferor at subsequent sale. 2, the make and model of the vehicle. 3, the body type
[01:34:16.380 --> 01:34:23.180]  of the vehicle. 4, the manual. Wait a minute. You're talking about a VIN number. Yes. Not
[01:34:23.180 --> 01:34:30.100]  a license. Well, no. Down here, number 6, it says, quote, the number on the vehicle's
[01:34:30.100 --> 01:34:40.420]  current Texas license plates, if any. If any. If any. That's pretty interesting. What I'm
[01:34:40.420 --> 01:34:47.740]  getting to is that the words if any would, the tacit implication there would be that
[01:34:47.740 --> 01:34:57.220]  there are times when there is a vehicle with no plates. Texas exempt plate. That's still
[01:34:57.220 --> 01:35:06.940]  a plate. Texas license plate. That's still a plate. Texas license plates still have numbers
[01:35:06.940 --> 01:35:16.940]  on them, Randy. Yes, that's right. The only plate that doesn't have numbers on them is
[01:35:16.940 --> 01:35:22.580]  a vanity plate. That might have a name on it, yes. Even vanity plates have numbers.
[01:35:22.580 --> 01:35:29.100]  They sometimes just have a name. Well, then that should be on there, then. This is syntactically
[01:35:29.100 --> 01:35:39.260]  ambiguous. Yes, it is. We don't know what if any refers to. In transformational grammar,
[01:35:39.260 --> 01:35:46.860]  we would say it lacks referential index. All right. Well, listen. I have a feeling that
[01:35:46.860 --> 01:35:51.180]  Eddie's going to know about this. Let's talk to Eddie about it tomorrow because we're getting
[01:35:51.180 --> 01:35:56.140]  a lot of callers stacking up. Good deal. Thank you, guys. Okay. Thanks, Steve. Bye-bye. Okay.
[01:35:56.140 --> 01:36:01.340]  All right. We're going now to Carrie in Arizona. Carrie, thanks for calling in. What's on your
[01:36:01.340 --> 01:36:08.540]  mind tonight? Hello. Are you there? Yes. What's on your mind tonight? Well, I called earlier
[01:36:08.540 --> 01:36:17.060]  and I was asking about a title transfer. Let's see here. My dad died recently and he's, yeah,
[01:36:17.060 --> 01:36:25.300]  he's in El Paso, Texas. I'm in Arizona, but he had some property. He didn't have much,
[01:36:25.300 --> 01:36:31.980]  but he does have a mobile home. I just basically needed to transfer the title to myself. I'm
[01:36:31.980 --> 01:36:35.820]  trying to figure out how to do that and I'm calling up lawyers and they're giving me all
[01:36:35.820 --> 01:36:43.660]  these different, I don't know, one lawyer said I needed to pay him $2,500 and another
[01:36:43.660 --> 01:36:49.460]  one said to download some paperwork from the internet. I don't know, but I know it's not
[01:36:49.460 --> 01:36:54.500]  that difficult. So I thought I'd call you because I thought you would know. I love you,
[01:36:54.500 --> 01:37:04.700]  guys. Oh, ouch. I have no clue. Frankly, we do primarily do process and this is specific
[01:37:04.700 --> 01:37:14.300]  because you're in another state. Generally, did your father have a will? No. Then this
[01:37:14.300 --> 01:37:19.380]  will have to go through probate, I suspect, and the court will have to assign the title
[01:37:19.380 --> 01:37:30.420]  to you. Okay. But I suspect if there are no liens against the property, it will be a relatively
[01:37:30.420 --> 01:37:37.420]  simple process because they'll get to collect probate taxes from you. Okay. And how much
[01:37:37.420 --> 01:37:42.580]  is that? Do you know? I don't know, but I understand. Do you know where I can get some
[01:37:42.580 --> 01:37:48.900]  information on this? Pardon me? Do you know where I could get some information on it?
[01:37:48.900 --> 01:37:56.940]  Like do you have a suggestion of? Call the county clerk in the county that he lived in
[01:37:56.940 --> 01:38:05.980]  where the property is and they can give you some direction. County clerk in Texas? Yes.
[01:38:05.980 --> 01:38:13.300]  In El Paso? Yeah, they can give you directions. They can give me directions. Okay. Yeah, because
[01:38:13.300 --> 01:38:19.020]  the probate lawyer is going to be like $2,500 and I just would love to try to avoid that
[01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:28.860]  if I could because that's pretty much, you know, I just kind of. It is the lawyer's duty
[01:38:28.860 --> 01:38:36.380]  to extract from you all of the money he can. Okay. Yeah, that's true. So you can count
[01:38:36.380 --> 01:38:42.780]  on him swallowing all the property if it's possible. If there's any way you can do it
[01:38:42.780 --> 01:38:48.620]  without an attorney, it would be well advised. This is one of those places where you get
[01:38:48.620 --> 01:38:56.620]  paid very well to do a little learning, a little legal research. That's my third. Okay,
[01:38:56.620 --> 01:39:01.020]  and then so there's no way I can just do this myself, right? I couldn't just go to like
[01:39:01.020 --> 01:39:06.060]  a notary or. No, no, no. This is going to have to go through probate. It's going to
[01:39:06.060 --> 01:39:10.820]  have to go through court if there's no will. There's going to have to, it's going to have
[01:39:10.820 --> 01:39:18.540]  to go through probate court. Yeah. Okay. And if you're the surviving heir, you would
[01:39:18.540 --> 01:39:24.700]  file it with the probate. That much I kind of know about. It's not something I'm familiar
[01:39:24.700 --> 01:39:32.660]  with at all, but I'm sure you'll have to initiate the probate action. You may be able to do
[01:39:32.660 --> 01:39:37.700]  it pro se, but it's still going to have to go. Yeah. It's still going to have to go through
[01:39:37.700 --> 01:39:45.340]  probate court though. Just go on the internet and do some, do Texas probate. Okay. And you'll
[01:39:45.340 --> 01:39:48.860]  probably get lots of hits on it. It probably won't take you a couple of hours. You can
[01:39:48.860 --> 01:39:56.260]  get it sorted out. Okay. It's kind of surprising how quickly, when you're focused on a very
[01:39:56.260 --> 01:40:04.820]  fine point of law, it doesn't take long to find what you need. It's not nearly as daunting
[01:40:04.820 --> 01:40:11.540]  as it may seem when you're standing outside the legal profession and you're looking in,
[01:40:11.540 --> 01:40:17.700]  it looks a lot more complex than it actually is. You're only looking for one precise little
[01:40:17.700 --> 01:40:23.220]  thing. So that should be pretty easy to research out just on the web. Yeah. I originally wanted
[01:40:23.220 --> 01:40:29.740]  to rent it out to his brother, which he would have wanted, but the people that owned the
[01:40:29.740 --> 01:40:34.620]  property said that they don't do subletting. So I'm not going to be able to do that. So
[01:40:34.620 --> 01:40:39.580]  I guess I'll just go ahead and sell it. To stop at Walgreens and get a big tube of KYTLA
[01:40:39.580 --> 01:40:46.140]  before you go to probate court. Hi. That's my good friend there. So hey, Debra. It's
[01:40:46.140 --> 01:40:50.940]  good to have you. I heard you have a gathering and it's good to hear that you're back. Oh,
[01:40:50.940 --> 01:40:55.620]  thanks, Carrie. It's kind of weird there. I know I haven't been there. I haven't been
[01:40:55.620 --> 01:41:01.460]  to gathering for years, but I would like to go. All right. Well, if you're in Arizona,
[01:41:01.460 --> 01:41:06.340]  you missed one that was close. I know. Well, I'm hoping that it'll come around again to
[01:41:06.340 --> 01:41:13.060]  Arizona because it was here like, I don't know, 10, 12, 13 years ago. It would be nice,
[01:41:13.060 --> 01:41:20.780]  but who knows what'll happen. It's gotten really crazy. I don't know. I mean, it's
[01:41:20.780 --> 01:41:27.340]  like a war between dark and light kind of thing. It does seem that way. I think more
[01:41:27.340 --> 01:41:33.220]  greasers and doofers. All right. Well, listen, we need to move on. Thank you for calling
[01:41:33.220 --> 01:41:38.180]  in, Carrie. You're welcome. Thanks guys for all the information. Okay. Thanks. Okay. Bye
[01:41:38.180 --> 01:41:45.660]  bye. Okay. We're stacking up the calls here. We're going to go now to George in Texas and
[01:41:45.660 --> 01:41:48.940]  let's try to be brief because we've got like five, six calls left and we only have one
[01:41:48.940 --> 01:41:53.140]  more segment left. So go ahead, George. How are you doing, Debra? How are you doing, Randy?
[01:41:53.140 --> 01:41:57.500]  Good. Hey, George. You know, the thing is I was hearing about one Austrian journalist
[01:41:57.500 --> 01:42:02.380]  talked about the vaccines as documents. She's recommended that we go in our local county
[01:42:02.380 --> 01:42:07.140]  and our clerks can file criminal complaints to have it investigated, that we could file
[01:42:07.140 --> 01:42:14.140]  a criminal complaint against the government, whatever, trying to force vaccines. I don't
[01:42:14.140 --> 01:42:19.060]  know how you would file criminal complaints unless you can show that they have harmed
[01:42:19.060 --> 01:42:24.340]  someone in violation of law. Well, they sure would have harmed me. They stick a needle
[01:42:24.340 --> 01:42:28.820]  in my arm without my consent. That's for sure. Well, if they pass law that says they can
[01:42:28.820 --> 01:42:33.540]  do it, that's kind of the stuff Hitler did. Just because they passed law that says they
[01:42:33.540 --> 01:42:40.060]  can do it does not mean that they haven't harmed me. Well, they may be, but they harmed
[01:42:40.060 --> 01:42:45.260]  you in accordance with law so you don't have a claim. That's why these things have to be
[01:42:45.260 --> 01:42:50.820]  brought to court. Yes. Go ahead, George. I'm going to get ready to have a federal vaccine
[01:42:50.820 --> 01:42:57.660]  waiver forms for my notarized. I shouldn't get any heat from the school or the child
[01:42:57.660 --> 01:43:03.340]  protective services because I decided that my kids will not get shots. You probably will
[01:43:03.340 --> 01:43:09.220]  get heat from CPS. I was going to say, well, because I got the statue saying they can't
[01:43:09.220 --> 01:43:18.220]  come out over that. You might want to demand proof that the vaccine is not more harmful
[01:43:18.220 --> 01:43:25.500]  than the disease itself or that you want to know what the likelihood is that the vaccine
[01:43:25.500 --> 01:43:30.500]  will cause the disease. We'll see the thing. The bottom line is that there's no law requiring
[01:43:30.500 --> 01:43:38.580]  it for one thing. And so you can stand on that point. Well, they're talking forced.
[01:43:38.580 --> 01:43:46.180]  That means they intend to pass law. They tend to pass law. I thought he was talking about
[01:43:46.180 --> 01:43:51.340]  the schools with the vaccine, normal vaccines for schools. Well, they've been talking about
[01:43:51.340 --> 01:43:56.780]  forced vaccines. Okay. All right. Which one are you talking about, George? Well, I want
[01:43:56.780 --> 01:44:01.380]  to file an addendum saying if they do try to force this on the children's school, that
[01:44:01.380 --> 01:44:07.620]  my kids will not get this forced approved shot or I will pull my kids out of school.
[01:44:07.620 --> 01:44:12.260]  You may want to call into agenda 21 tomorrow night because they have been working with
[01:44:12.260 --> 01:44:17.820]  a gentleman who filed his UCC-1 documents on his children's names. He made his children's
[01:44:17.820 --> 01:44:24.540]  straw men so to speak debtors to himself as a secured party. And he went through a legal
[01:44:24.540 --> 01:44:29.700]  battle with the school district and confronted the attorneys of the school. And because he
[01:44:29.700 --> 01:44:35.740]  had all this paperwork in order, they were not able to touch him at all. In fact, the
[01:44:35.740 --> 01:44:42.360]  school's lawyer made the superintendent apologize to the man for trying to hassle him so much
[01:44:42.360 --> 01:44:47.860]  about having his children being vaccinated. So there's a case where the UCC-1 documents
[01:44:47.860 --> 01:44:53.420]  have worked to actually save some lives, I would say. Because I could tell you one thing,
[01:44:53.420 --> 01:44:58.020]  if they try to force this flu shot, I could tell you one thing, the blowback and the backlash
[01:44:58.020 --> 01:45:06.140]  is going to be immense. It's going to be immense because I never took a flu shot. Not even
[01:45:06.140 --> 01:45:11.940]  I was in the army. I did when I was in the army and I got the flu. Well, the thing is,
[01:45:11.940 --> 01:45:17.100]  I think what you want to do is set yourself up legally to prevent it before they pass
[01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:18.100]  his laws.
[01:45:18.100 --> 01:45:24.900]  That means file UCC in my kids' name, being a debtor to them, making them the secured
[01:45:24.900 --> 01:45:25.900]  party.
[01:45:25.900 --> 01:45:32.560]  No, making their straw man the debtor to you as a secured party. The straw man is never
[01:45:32.560 --> 01:45:38.780]  the secured party. See, that's how the whole system is set up is for us as living souls
[01:45:38.780 --> 01:45:44.100]  to be the debtor to the straw man as a secured party. That's how they get to us. And that's
[01:45:44.100 --> 01:45:48.340]  what the UCC-1 reverses. It makes the straw man the debtor and us as living souls the
[01:45:48.340 --> 01:45:54.780]  secured party. And so this gentleman has set up his family because his children are very
[01:45:54.780 --> 01:46:02.980]  young so that the kid's straw man names are the debtors to himself as a secured party.
[01:46:02.980 --> 01:46:07.660]  And I assume that when the children are of age, they'll become their own secured party
[01:46:07.660 --> 01:46:08.900]  if they're a straw man.
[01:46:08.900 --> 01:46:14.020]  But anyway, that's about all I know about that case up to this point. So you may want
[01:46:14.020 --> 01:46:17.180]  to call into agenda 21 tomorrow night and ask them about that.
[01:46:17.180 --> 01:46:20.660]  Okay. Well, thank you. I'll let you get back on your early callers.
[01:46:20.660 --> 01:46:26.700]  Okay. Thanks, George. Okay. It's hard to combat a law that hasn't been passed yet.
[01:46:26.700 --> 01:46:30.940]  I would just say you just have to empower yourself the best you can right now.
[01:46:30.940 --> 01:46:35.780]  All right. We're going to move on now to Kevin in Texas. Kevin, thanks for calling in. What's
[01:46:35.780 --> 01:46:37.940]  on your mind tonight?
[01:46:37.940 --> 01:46:38.940]  Hello?
[01:46:38.940 --> 01:46:40.940]  Yes. What's on your mind, Kevin?
[01:46:40.940 --> 01:46:48.340]  Well, I have a question about the UCC filing. Okay. I know I filed it with the Secretary
[01:46:48.340 --> 01:46:54.660]  of State and then the county clerk's office. All right. So say if I got to go to court
[01:46:54.660 --> 01:47:04.540]  or something, do I take the UCC-1 and give it to the court clerk or do I do that before
[01:47:04.540 --> 01:47:05.860]  I'd have to go to court?
[01:47:05.860 --> 01:47:09.460]  Well, I'm not sure how you're trying to apply your UCC-1 filing.
[01:47:09.460 --> 01:47:14.980]  Well, basically what I'm trying to do, I'm just trying to make myself a secured party
[01:47:14.980 --> 01:47:18.540]  and basically take control of my straw man.
[01:47:18.540 --> 01:47:23.300]  Right. Now, from my understanding, there's no reason to go to court for that. That's
[01:47:23.300 --> 01:47:27.300]  just a series of filings that you make with the Secretary of State and possibly the county.
[01:47:27.300 --> 01:47:32.740]  Well, I'm just saying if I had to go to court, would I take that information in there with
[01:47:32.740 --> 01:47:34.620]  me to show proof?
[01:47:34.620 --> 01:47:39.180]  I would imagine so. I mean, it's a matter of public record. I haven't gotten that far
[01:47:39.180 --> 01:47:40.180]  with it yet.
[01:47:40.180 --> 01:47:41.180]  Oh, okay.
[01:47:41.180 --> 01:47:46.220]  I mean, if that particular aspect got challenged, from what I understand, those aspects are
[01:47:46.220 --> 01:47:48.100]  never really what's challenged.
[01:47:48.100 --> 01:47:49.100]  Okay.
[01:47:49.100 --> 01:47:54.500]  Yes. I was wanting to get callers to call in and educate us on UCC-1.
[01:47:54.500 --> 01:48:01.220]  Yeah. Everything that I've read so far, the fact that you're yourself as a human is the
[01:48:01.220 --> 01:48:06.220]  secured party and the straw man is the debtor, the actual filing of the UCC-1 itself and
[01:48:06.220 --> 01:48:11.660]  the paperwork that goes along with it, that's not what really gets challenged according
[01:48:11.660 --> 01:48:16.900]  to my understanding. I mean, I assume it couldn't hurt to bring it along with you in case you
[01:48:16.900 --> 01:48:18.460]  need that as backup.
[01:48:18.460 --> 01:48:23.940]  Well, wouldn't basically the jurisdiction be the first thing to be challenged?
[01:48:23.940 --> 01:48:26.980]  Yeah, but that has nothing to do with UCC-1.
[01:48:26.980 --> 01:48:29.460]  Yeah, that doesn't have anything to do with that.
[01:48:29.460 --> 01:48:32.100]  That has to do with the application of statutory law.
[01:48:32.100 --> 01:48:33.100]  Oh, okay.
[01:48:33.100 --> 01:48:38.100]  UCC-1, as I understand it, is a lien or is notice of a lien.
[01:48:38.100 --> 01:48:45.780]  No, the UCC-1 is not a notice of a lien per se. It's just a financial statement that one,
[01:48:45.780 --> 01:48:49.820]  you've got one entity that's a debtor and one entity that's a secured party.
[01:48:49.820 --> 01:48:58.500]  That's what the lien is. The debt, the evidence of a debt owed to the secured party, that's
[01:48:58.500 --> 01:49:04.900]  the evidence of the debt. The debt is the lien. The UCC-1 is the evidence of the debt
[01:49:04.900 --> 01:49:12.500]  or notice of the lien that the secured party has against the straw man. So, for the most
[01:49:12.500 --> 01:49:17.180]  part, the courts would have nothing to do with that unless they want to extract something
[01:49:17.180 --> 01:49:23.700]  from the straw man and your lien comes first. So, they have to pay off my lien before they
[01:49:23.700 --> 01:49:28.820]  get theirs. That's the way I understand that.
[01:49:28.820 --> 01:49:29.820]  Okay.
[01:49:29.820 --> 01:49:30.820]  Okay.
[01:49:30.820 --> 01:49:31.820]  I could be wrong.
[01:49:31.820 --> 01:49:32.820]  I'm sorry.
[01:49:32.820 --> 01:49:33.820]  I was once.
[01:49:33.820 --> 01:49:42.780]  Also, I was wanting to try to do this without an attorney. Should I file a revoked power
[01:49:42.780 --> 01:49:45.780]  of attorney?
[01:49:45.780 --> 01:49:53.060]  Oh, revocation of power of attorney is a totally separate issue.
[01:49:53.060 --> 01:49:55.740]  Okay. What does that mean?
[01:49:55.740 --> 01:50:02.540]  Okay. That's a lot more complex. That's where you enter into a contract either knowingly
[01:50:02.540 --> 01:50:11.260]  intentionally or through an adhesion contract that gives another entity or individual power
[01:50:11.260 --> 01:50:14.060]  to make decisions in your behalf.
[01:50:14.060 --> 01:50:15.060]  Okay.
[01:50:15.060 --> 01:50:19.900]  That has nothing to do with representing yourself pro se.
[01:50:19.900 --> 01:50:20.900]  Okay.
[01:50:20.900 --> 01:50:27.500]  Based on the kinds of questions you're asking me, I would suggest if this is a criminal
[01:50:27.500 --> 01:50:35.780]  action against you, your level of knowledge is not sufficient to protect yourself.
[01:50:35.780 --> 01:50:37.220]  Okay.
[01:50:37.220 --> 01:50:44.180]  It might be safer to get counsel and then beat up counsel and force counsel to do your
[01:50:44.180 --> 01:50:45.940]  job. That's less complex.
[01:50:45.940 --> 01:50:49.020]  Are you in under criminal prosecution right now?
[01:50:49.020 --> 01:50:50.740]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:50:50.740 --> 01:50:59.700]  Then it might be safer to get counsel. I prefer a court appointed because your court appointed
[01:50:59.700 --> 01:51:01.740]  counsel is sorted in a bind.
[01:51:01.740 --> 01:51:04.660]  Yes, that's what I got.
[01:51:04.660 --> 01:51:09.860]  He's contracted with the state and you're the third party, your intended third party
[01:51:09.860 --> 01:51:10.860]  beneficiary.
[01:51:10.860 --> 01:51:15.420]  Yes, it may be a little late for the UCC filings for this particular case. You kind of have
[01:51:15.420 --> 01:51:20.940]  to have all that stuff set up before you get involved in court case.
[01:51:20.940 --> 01:51:26.500]  Okay. What about after? Once I get this settled and if they put me on probation or something,
[01:51:26.500 --> 01:51:29.500]  then can I file everything?
[01:51:29.500 --> 01:51:35.900]  Well, what I'm saying is you can file these things right now, but I'm not so sure that
[01:51:35.900 --> 01:51:40.540]  that will help you with this particular case, even if you get put on probation.
[01:51:40.540 --> 01:51:45.540]  I'm going to suggest that you spend a couple of hundred bucks and get jurisdictionary.
[01:51:45.540 --> 01:51:48.980]  Yeah, that would be best. That's what I was going to say too. I think jurisdictionary
[01:51:48.980 --> 01:51:51.300]  would help you more than anything right now.
[01:51:51.300 --> 01:52:00.220]  Right now, frankly, you don't know the questions to ask and that puts you at great risk.
[01:52:00.220 --> 01:52:04.060]  Jurisdictionary will help bring you up to speed and it'll do it very quickly. It's
[01:52:04.060 --> 01:52:10.020]  the cheapest legal education you can get and it may save you major grief if you're facing
[01:52:10.020 --> 01:52:11.020]  it.
[01:52:11.020 --> 01:52:15.260]  It'll help you beat up the court-appointed attorney, that's for sure.
[01:52:15.260 --> 01:52:22.020]  You'll understand what he should be doing and then we'll show you how to beat up your
[01:52:22.020 --> 01:52:23.020]  attorney.
[01:52:23.020 --> 01:52:26.820]  Yeah, once you get a little bit of practice with that, then we can move on to the UCC
[01:52:26.820 --> 01:52:27.820]  stuff.
[01:52:27.820 --> 01:52:31.620]  Right now, trying to do UCC is going to be real dangerous for you. You're going to expect
[01:52:31.620 --> 01:52:34.780]  it to do you some good and it won't.
[01:52:34.780 --> 01:52:38.700]  You kind of have to have already known how to maneuver in the court system a little bit
[01:52:38.700 --> 01:52:40.460]  before taking things to that level.
[01:52:40.460 --> 01:52:41.460]  Okay.
[01:52:41.460 --> 01:52:46.380]  Yeah, you're placing your liberty at risk and it's just too serious.
[01:52:46.380 --> 01:52:51.300]  I would do the jurisdictionary. You can order it from our website. That'll help you know
[01:52:51.300 --> 01:52:55.900]  what should be happening right now within the statutory realm so that you can control
[01:52:55.900 --> 01:52:56.900]  your attorney.
[01:52:56.900 --> 01:52:57.900]  All right.
[01:52:57.900 --> 01:52:58.900]  Okay, thank you.
[01:52:58.900 --> 01:52:59.900]  Okay, Kevin. All right, keep us updated.
[01:52:59.900 --> 01:53:00.900]  All right, bye-bye.
[01:53:00.900 --> 01:53:14.540]  Okay, thanks. Bye. Okay, we're going to go now to Marcus in Virginia. Hey, Marcus, thanks
[01:53:14.540 --> 01:53:16.540]  for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:53:16.540 --> 01:53:22.260]  First of all, I was looking for your address on your website and I couldn't find it.
[01:53:22.260 --> 01:53:29.340]  Oh, it's under the donations page and I'll go ahead and give it out right now. It's 1516
[01:53:29.340 --> 01:53:39.700]  South Lamar, number 112, that's number 112, Austin, Texas, 78704.
[01:53:39.700 --> 01:53:41.700]  78704.
[01:53:41.700 --> 01:53:48.940]  Yes, and I did get a few donations come in over the last few weeks to the old PO box
[01:53:48.940 --> 01:53:53.780]  and I want to thank those people, but please make note in your records that we have a new
[01:53:53.780 --> 01:53:59.900]  mailing address. I've got it on the website on the donations page. It's, again, 1516 South
[01:53:59.900 --> 01:54:05.300]  Lamar, number 112 in Austin, 78704.
[01:54:05.300 --> 01:54:06.660]  And speaking of the donations...
[01:54:06.660 --> 01:54:09.980]  The only zip code to be in, by the way. Go ahead, Randy.
[01:54:09.980 --> 01:54:18.820]  Yes, speaking of the donations page, we are funding this completely out of our own pockets
[01:54:18.820 --> 01:54:22.980]  and frankly, my pocket's got a hole in it.
[01:54:22.980 --> 01:54:23.980]  Mine too.
[01:54:23.980 --> 01:54:31.940]  Big hole in it. I don't know if your listeners out there realize how costly this is and how
[01:54:31.940 --> 01:54:38.620]  difficult it's been for Deb and I to keep this thing going. We could sure use any help
[01:54:38.620 --> 01:54:39.620]  we could use.
[01:54:39.620 --> 01:54:41.980]  We could sure use some help, that's for sure, right now especially.
[01:54:41.980 --> 01:54:50.700]  And it won't take a lot to get us in the black. We don't care if we get in the green at this
[01:54:50.700 --> 01:54:52.180]  point, just so long as we can.
[01:54:52.180 --> 01:54:53.180]  Get out of the red.
[01:54:53.180 --> 01:54:58.860]  Get in the black, yeah. Get out of the red. Just get this thing stable because it's becoming
[01:54:58.860 --> 01:55:07.100]  very difficult. I could lose my house. That's how difficult it is. This is getting really
[01:55:07.100 --> 01:55:08.100]  tight.
[01:55:08.100 --> 01:55:10.100]  Okay, we don't want Randy to lose his house.
[01:55:10.100 --> 01:55:12.900]  Any help you could give us would be great.
[01:55:12.900 --> 01:55:16.540]  I'm having to stave off the bankers myself, but...
[01:55:16.540 --> 01:55:18.500]  My beer fund's only got a nickel in it.
[01:55:18.500 --> 01:55:22.180]  All right, listen, we only have a few minutes left. Marcus, go ahead quickly because we
[01:55:22.180 --> 01:55:23.180]  have one other caller.
[01:55:23.180 --> 01:55:27.740]  Okay, well, I probably ought to save these questions for tomorrow, but I was wondering
[01:55:27.740 --> 01:55:33.700]  how can they suspend a license when it didn't apply for one? Because that's one thing they're
[01:55:33.700 --> 01:55:41.540]  trying to hammer me with is they're telling me that my license is suspended.
[01:55:41.540 --> 01:55:43.780]  But you never had a license to begin with?
[01:55:43.780 --> 01:55:52.820]  Well, I did a long time ago, but as far as they know, I mean, I don't have a license.
[01:55:52.820 --> 01:55:54.860]  I mean, I don't have any...
[01:55:54.860 --> 01:55:55.860]  You're in Virginia?
[01:55:55.860 --> 01:55:56.860] ...to apply for one.
[01:55:56.860 --> 01:55:57.860]  Yes.
[01:55:57.860 --> 01:55:58.860]  All right.
[01:55:58.860 --> 01:55:59.860]  Well, we'd have to...
[01:55:59.860 --> 01:56:07.940]  They do that everywhere, in Texas, North Carolina. If you don't have a license, they accuse
[01:56:07.940 --> 01:56:17.300]  you of having a suspended license, and that may well be the only charge they can bring.
[01:56:17.300 --> 01:56:18.660]  But this would be better for tomorrow night.
[01:56:18.660 --> 01:56:21.100]  This would be better for tomorrow night when we have Eddie on.
[01:56:21.100 --> 01:56:23.100]  Well, that's what I thought.
[01:56:23.100 --> 01:56:27.660]  Okay, all right. We've got like a minute and a half left, so let's move on. Marcus, please
[01:56:27.660 --> 01:56:29.100]  call back in tomorrow night.
[01:56:29.100 --> 01:56:30.100]  All right.
[01:56:30.100 --> 01:56:34.340]  Okay, thanks for Eddie, Eddie the traffic guy. Okay, we're going to go now to our last
[01:56:34.340 --> 01:56:38.180]  caller, Vincent in Texas. Vincent, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:56:38.180 --> 01:56:42.380]  Yeah, I just had something for that girl that called in about probating.
[01:56:42.380 --> 01:56:43.380]  Oh, yes.
[01:56:43.380 --> 01:56:49.380]  When my mother passed away, I called several lawyers, and it seemed like the cheapest one
[01:56:49.380 --> 01:56:55.860]  won $750, so I thought fooey on that. And so I went down to the county library, and they
[01:56:55.860 --> 01:57:01.740]  had a book out of probating Texas with forms in the back. And so I took it home, and it's
[01:57:01.740 --> 01:57:06.260]  still in the blank forms, took me about 20 minutes to type them up, and that was it,
[01:57:06.260 --> 01:57:12.420]  you know. It was ungodly easy. But then the thing is, the justice of the peace lived two
[01:57:12.420 --> 01:57:18.180]  doors down from me. I was telling him what I did, and he informed me that if it's not
[01:57:18.180 --> 01:57:22.100]  contested, you don't even have to probate. They just don't tell you that because they
[01:57:22.100 --> 01:57:27.020]  make money off of it. So I'm just going to pass that along.
[01:57:27.020 --> 01:57:30.860]  So what do you do if you don't have to probate it?
[01:57:30.860 --> 01:57:34.740]  Yeah, how do you get the title transferred?
[01:57:34.740 --> 01:57:39.980]  Well, I was telling you what I know. Like you said, technically, I didn't have to do
[01:57:39.980 --> 01:57:47.620]  it, had I known. But maybe just the death certificate is all you need. I mean, you know,
[01:57:47.620 --> 01:57:50.940]  I wish I could give you more after that, but I know you can do it.
[01:57:50.940 --> 01:57:51.940]  Okay.
[01:57:51.940 --> 01:57:52.940]  Okay.
[01:57:52.940 --> 01:57:54.420]  Tomorrow night, we may actually get an answer to that.
[01:57:54.420 --> 01:57:55.420]  Yeah.
[01:57:55.420 --> 01:57:59.100]  Well, I was just going to, you know, tell her, or if she's listening, just check into
[01:57:59.100 --> 01:58:03.860]  it. Because if you do probate it, it's ungodly easy, but it's still a pain in the butt. But
[01:58:03.860 --> 01:58:08.260]  according to him, and he wouldn't have lied about it, if it's not contested, you don't
[01:58:08.260 --> 01:58:11.740]  have to probate it. So I guess all you need is a, you know, I'm sitting here thinking
[01:58:11.740 --> 01:58:14.060]  maybe all you need is a death certificate or something like that.
[01:58:14.060 --> 01:58:18.500]  And then bring it to like the county tax assessor's appraisal's office, appraisers office to
[01:58:18.500 --> 01:58:19.500]  get the title changed.
[01:58:19.500 --> 01:58:21.500]  Yeah, something like that.
[01:58:21.500 --> 01:58:25.700]  Okay, very good. Well, maybe we can discuss this more tomorrow night. We're at the other
[01:58:25.700 --> 01:58:27.740]  show. Thank you, Vincent, for calling in.
[01:58:27.740 --> 01:58:28.740]  You bet. You all have a good one.
[01:58:28.740 --> 01:58:34.580]  Okay, I think the lesson tonight is things are easier than than we often think they are.
[01:58:34.580 --> 01:58:41.140]  So don't be afraid to do it yourself. Don't give your money to lawyers. Okay, we will
[01:58:41.140 --> 01:58:45.180]  be back tomorrow evening. Agenda 21 is on.
[01:58:45.180 --> 01:58:46.180]  Don't give your money to lawyers.
[01:58:46.180 --> 01:58:52.140]  Give it to us. Well, you don't have to give us as much and we'll help you all a lot more.
[01:58:52.140 --> 01:58:59.140]  All right, we'll be back tomorrow night.
[01:59:22.140 --> 01:59:29.140]  Thank you.