[00:00.000 --> 00:22.000]  You're a heartbreaker You ain't gonna make my heart break
[00:22.000 --> 00:27.000]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
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[01:12.040 --> 01:17.320]  all right we're going to go now to Charlie from Illinois callers if you
[01:17.320 --> 01:19.680]  like to call in I'm going to keep the phone lines open for another half hour
[01:19.680 --> 01:23.440]  so and then finish up our calls Charlie thanks for calling in what's on your
[01:23.440 --> 01:37.880]  mind tonight my call screener is AWOL tonight and so whatever number is
[01:37.880 --> 01:42.400]  programmed into the system is what shows up on our page there must be a Charlie
[01:42.400 --> 01:52.400]  at that number Charlie is Charlie is what now oh wait hold on he's the
[01:52.400 --> 01:57.080]  gentleman that actually got ran off from the cop after the cop stopped him for a
[01:57.080 --> 02:04.920]  crack windshield and eventually wound up arrested hold on one moment hello yes
[02:04.920 --> 02:09.760]  yes so so listen Charlie so it's I mean I'm sorry Christopher is there a Charlie
[02:09.760 --> 02:15.840]  at that at that same number he probably used my phone when he called you guys
[02:15.840 --> 02:20.160]  because your number is on my phone okay all right well then I'll change it right
[02:20.160 --> 02:29.520]  now okay so what's going on Christopher well I've got caught on Monday to do
[02:29.520 --> 02:35.320]  with the Wheaton the case where I was content of court all that stuff and I
[02:35.320 --> 02:40.560]  have no idea what's going to happen and I don't have anything prepared I don't
[02:40.560 --> 02:46.760]  know what they want me in there for I suspect they want to try me got a trial
[02:46.760 --> 02:52.880]  but I really have no idea they might even pull a fast one on how the police
[02:52.880 --> 03:01.520]  officer there which which is now that okay I suggest you do something what if
[03:01.520 --> 03:08.600]  they wind up having the police officer there eat a lot before you go in oh come
[03:08.600 --> 03:20.160]  on Randy hey a little vomit to get you out come on silly he wants he wants it
[03:20.160 --> 03:23.960]  he's trying to say just go in the court and get sick to your stomach just come
[03:23.960 --> 03:29.600]  on the guy next time they throw it out come on let's give him some real help
[03:29.600 --> 03:36.240]  wait to get in serious is this just over a traffic incident incident yeah how
[03:36.240 --> 03:44.400]  much time did you spend in jail one month holy over traffic yeah of course
[03:44.400 --> 03:49.320]  content of court my refuse well I suppose Wendy and I didn't really do it
[03:49.320 --> 03:55.400]  properly but she she has been kind of advising me and what she advised me was
[03:55.400 --> 03:59.760]  to ask well then what after the judge's name like please give me a name do you
[03:59.760 --> 04:02.520]  have a claim against he does anyone in this room have a claim against him I
[04:02.520 --> 04:07.840]  didn't do it correctly so I didn't I end up giving him my first and second name
[04:07.840 --> 04:13.280]  but not my last name and the company for contempt for willfully refusing to tell
[04:13.280 --> 04:19.920]  him my last name so tells you for 30 days okay one thing you can be relatively
[04:19.920 --> 04:27.480]  certain of if they find you guilty they will give you time served but guilty I
[04:27.480 --> 04:31.520]  mean the thing is this is a signable offense is not to be if there's not a
[04:31.520 --> 04:36.320]  general offense is a misdemeanor driving without a valid license well what
[04:36.320 --> 04:43.280]  they're going to do is give you you get like a hundred bucks a day for timing
[04:43.280 --> 04:48.240]  jail against fines well no it was this wasn't about any fines this was
[04:48.240 --> 04:52.680]  contempt of court that's all okay are you are you going for contempt of court
[04:52.680 --> 05:01.000]  is that what you're going to I'm going for now the court hearing is to do with
[05:01.000 --> 05:08.440]  going to trial what I originally went for was on the 20th of May and that was
[05:08.440 --> 05:13.720]  to do with a schedule change from okay on the 23rd of April I was meant to go
[05:13.720 --> 05:19.000]  to trial I went to the court the courtroom was closed and they directed
[05:19.000 --> 05:22.880]  me to go to another courtroom the prosecutor the judge and the police
[05:22.880 --> 05:26.840]  officer were not there there were different people there move for a
[05:26.840 --> 05:35.240]  dismissal as a matter of right they ordered you to court to be in court on a
[05:35.240 --> 05:40.000]  certain day at a certain time they didn't call you up and say hey would
[05:40.000 --> 05:46.280]  this be a nice time for you to come they said you be here this day this time when
[05:46.280 --> 05:51.840]  the court does that they have a duty to try you that day that time you have a
[05:51.840 --> 05:58.520]  right to dismissal right now the problem the problem is that I agreed to that to
[05:58.520 --> 06:01.960]  come another time because the judge asked me do you want a trial do you
[06:01.960 --> 06:07.080]  still want a trial and I did not think on my feet quick enough and I didn't say
[06:07.080 --> 06:10.360]  no I want to dismiss all of the charges and all that because the guys were here
[06:10.360 --> 06:16.520]  and so she's I said okay you know but then I rescinded an agreement the next
[06:16.520 --> 06:20.720]  day and then about three weeks later I got a letter through the mail saying
[06:20.720 --> 06:25.400]  notice of schedule change because she had put down the 11th of August so this
[06:25.400 --> 06:31.880]  notice of schedule change came in and I went on the 20th of May and actually
[06:31.880 --> 06:36.880]  was it was what actually happened was he went through all the different things I
[06:36.880 --> 06:42.000]  had put in my negative elements and he denied every single one of them
[06:42.000 --> 06:47.160]  including stuff back in January which is which had never been adjudicated on not
[06:47.160 --> 06:51.360]  even been discussed by the prosecutor so I knew that there was fraud going on
[06:51.360 --> 06:54.240]  right there and I just basically played hardball and I've gotten you know
[06:54.240 --> 07:00.080]  contempt of court and I from my point of view I see them as being in default
[07:00.080 --> 07:04.040]  because the negative of element is two of them that went in first one went in
[07:04.040 --> 07:08.000]  all the six steps all the way to the hill to sit which is they have nothing
[07:08.000 --> 07:13.040]  then the second one started just on the day I went to the court on the 23rd of
[07:13.040 --> 07:18.600]  April and that was a counterclaim that values that was valued at four hundred
[07:18.600 --> 07:22.960]  fifty million dollars for court transcripts fraud and all the stuff that
[07:22.960 --> 07:29.040]  they were doing and that's when they got me on the fourth step in terms of on
[07:29.040 --> 07:35.660]  the May 20th I was two steps away from the last bit and I got a sense that he
[07:35.660 --> 07:40.840]  was gonna do anything he could to piss me off and get me in contempt of court
[07:40.840 --> 07:44.320]  and then get me in jail and so I couldn't finish the last two steps that's
[07:44.320 --> 07:47.840]  the impression I got because they are joking between he was directing with the
[07:47.840 --> 07:52.680]  cult clerk right at the beginning when just after walked in then he did they
[07:52.680 --> 07:56.760]  began bantering about my case between the two of them and they were saying
[07:56.760 --> 08:01.120]  things which are completely not the lies like there's been no filing done since
[08:01.120 --> 08:07.600]  April which was not true and then when I actually I mean he called my name out
[08:07.600 --> 08:12.160]  twice and it was mispronounced twice so I didn't go I just observed what was
[08:12.160 --> 08:16.040]  going on and then he put my case down and then he picked it up like five minutes
[08:16.040 --> 08:19.400]  later and then called my name and I said I'm gonna get over and done with this so
[08:19.400 --> 08:23.720]  I just went after them and started doing my my spiel you know so I I got a sense
[08:23.720 --> 08:30.880]  that they were gonna do something you know yeah so they did and it was partly
[08:30.880 --> 08:34.560]  my fault but I knew that if it wasn't that they was have done something else
[08:34.560 --> 08:39.040]  and so after they started me for contempt then he went through all the
[08:39.040 --> 08:42.120]  different things in my negative of women and he denied every single one of them
[08:42.120 --> 08:45.360]  and I didn't want to say a word because I didn't want to have any more time
[08:45.360 --> 08:49.800]  added here he already told me 60 days you're gonna be in there I thought
[08:49.800 --> 08:55.880]  Jesus and I didn't know if like a two-for-one two days two days as one for
[08:55.880 --> 08:58.040]  one day that you're in there so I thought I was gonna be there for two
[08:58.040 --> 09:01.480]  months and it's only when I got in there and I began speaking to inmates
[09:01.480 --> 09:04.560]  that did tell me I was no you're gonna be out 30 days because it's two for one
[09:04.560 --> 09:11.840]  thing so I was just not saying a word through anything which was a failure on
[09:11.840 --> 09:16.920]  my part because I could have objected to certain things that he was well yeah
[09:16.920 --> 09:22.720]  best thing you can do is get the adjudication over with and then go back
[09:22.720 --> 09:29.480]  and sue the crap out of okay criminal charges once once your case is over now
[09:29.480 --> 09:34.720]  you can go back and hammer them and I suggest you do it from a distance don't
[09:34.720 --> 09:40.840]  ever go down to the court again once you get the case over with do it all with
[09:40.840 --> 09:45.760]  paperwork right you don't get to look them in the eye and get the
[09:45.760 --> 09:51.320]  satisfaction of seeing how bad you're pissing them off but then again they
[09:51.320 --> 09:56.960]  don't get the satisfaction of being able to deal with you right all they have to
[09:56.960 --> 10:01.840]  put up with you and you hammer them from a distance they can't threaten you they
[10:01.840 --> 10:08.160]  can't do anything to you right because this is a route that I've never even
[10:08.160 --> 10:11.480]  considered about doing criminal complaints I've been trying to get things
[10:11.480 --> 10:16.160]  done so that all the evidence is in my is in my paperwork and everything that's
[10:16.160 --> 10:21.320]  in there tells me one thing and they do another you know mm-hmm like I've even
[10:21.320 --> 10:28.040]  a classic example I presented my birth certificate as a as an exhibit in one of
[10:28.040 --> 10:32.680]  my in my declaration of standing because I need that from all the other
[10:32.680 --> 10:36.640]  experiences I had with that they would try and say is capitalized name I
[10:36.640 --> 10:43.040]  presented my birth certificate and it was denied declaration of stunning was
[10:43.040 --> 10:49.200]  denied you know my person has my Polish name an upper and lower case which is
[10:49.200 --> 10:54.440]  highly unusual is from England so they are their presumption is that I am
[10:54.440 --> 10:59.840]  Christopher Andrews together my English derivative it is not a legal name for me
[10:59.840 --> 11:05.440]  it's just the name that is basically is the English equivalent but it's never
[11:05.440 --> 11:09.240]  it's never in any of my documentation and the interesting thing is I used to
[11:09.240 --> 11:15.920]  have a passport from England that had my Polish name on it spelled by hand and in
[11:15.920 --> 11:21.200]  Los Angeles in 1989 I actually went to have a change renewed because it ran
[11:21.200 --> 11:25.880]  out and they asked me do you want it in your English derivative name or do you
[11:25.880 --> 11:30.360]  want it as you have it now and I said oh say people screwing my name I probably
[11:30.360 --> 11:35.000]  have it in my English name and from that point on I could never get it changed
[11:35.000 --> 11:40.640]  back to my original Polish name if I did not go to solicitor and get a lawyer and
[11:40.640 --> 11:46.480]  get a what they call some some special word for it but have a document from
[11:46.480 --> 11:50.000]  lawyers saying that this is my name because I tried doing that last year and
[11:50.000 --> 11:55.240]  they said we can't do that because you have to go to a lawyer to do that now so
[11:55.240 --> 12:00.600]  this is I found is very highly unusual I mean I presented my document it's proof
[12:00.600 --> 12:06.280]  that I'm upper another case and he refused to even look at it well all of
[12:06.280 --> 12:12.440]  this goes to the appeals court if you're prepared to do that but from listening
[12:12.440 --> 12:18.760]  to you it doesn't sound like you have the time to dedicate to this that it
[12:18.760 --> 12:23.560]  takes well the thing is I haven't been working from last November because I've
[12:23.560 --> 12:30.080]  been doing this stuff and it's impacted me tremendously and being being in jail
[12:30.080 --> 12:34.200]  for a month did not help at all because I saw oil paintings at farmers markets
[12:34.200 --> 12:39.080]  and I do very well if I'm able to do it you know the season started at the end
[12:39.080 --> 12:46.200]  of end of April but this has taken up all my time you know I spent let me let
[12:46.200 --> 12:52.680]  me make a suggestion go back to work well I've been doing that I've been
[12:52.680 --> 13:01.840]  doing that there are those of us who are geared and focused toward doing this but
[13:01.840 --> 13:10.040]  everybody's not right other people have other issues right and we'll get this
[13:10.040 --> 13:20.200]  done don't ruin your life for this right yeah let us ruin ours instead yeah hey
[13:20.200 --> 13:27.760]  Chris go sell paintings send us money my beer is getting low I thought all the
[13:27.760 --> 13:32.080]  guys listening in I do want to say something because of there's another
[13:32.080 --> 13:35.520]  situation that I told you guys about the first time I rang in which was to do the
[13:35.520 --> 13:40.600]  state trooper in my cracked windshield I have not gone to court on that not once
[13:40.600 --> 13:46.760]  because I followed Wendy's advice and I've actually had experiences where I
[13:46.760 --> 13:49.680]  haven't gone to court before for getting a speeding ticket in California a long
[13:49.680 --> 13:55.880]  time ago and nothing ever happened so with that situation I had five citations
[13:55.880 --> 14:00.000]  that were sent to me in the mail they were not signed by me and I did a 29
[14:00.000 --> 14:05.560]  point negative a moment on every single person that was involved in that and my
[14:05.560 --> 14:09.160]  first court could court date was on the 26th of May and I was obviously in jail
[14:09.160 --> 14:15.760]  and from what and you may remember that there was supposedly a an arrest warrant
[14:15.760 --> 14:18.380]  out for me because there was an aggravated misdemeanor that's what they
[14:18.380 --> 14:24.040]  called it when I was being processed in and processed out that didn't show up on
[14:24.040 --> 14:29.080]  the computer now the only thing I can think of is the reason that didn't
[14:29.080 --> 14:33.760]  happen is because I put in there that if the arrest warrant is actioned and there's
[14:33.760 --> 14:39.880]  a 10 million dollar charge on if you do that you know so they may have taken that
[14:39.880 --> 14:46.000]  off but my next court date was on the 26th of June I didn't go to that I
[14:46.000 --> 14:50.840]  decided not to go because I said you know if I step into that courtroom then
[14:50.840 --> 14:55.400]  I'm going to be taken to the cleaners and my friend Charlie he looks he's got
[14:55.400 --> 14:58.200]  a website that he found where you can actually type in a person's name and all
[14:58.200 --> 15:02.400]  the court cases against that person will come up on the screen and he found that
[15:02.400 --> 15:09.520]  before I went before the 26th of June the case was classified as open when he
[15:09.520 --> 15:13.800]  looked on there after the the 26th of June days he found that they had
[15:13.800 --> 15:21.280]  continued the case to April of 2010 and I haven't even gone to step three story
[15:21.280 --> 15:25.040]  step four of the negative of women I've done step one two and three with the
[15:25.040 --> 15:29.160]  first three months of payment but I haven't finished it yet and he's a he's
[15:29.160 --> 15:33.080]  a he used to work with a lawyer and you know in the lawyers office for quite
[15:33.080 --> 15:37.120]  number of years and he said he's never ever seen that happen so he said you
[15:37.120 --> 15:42.080]  must be doing something right yeah so file a motion to dismiss to all the
[15:42.080 --> 15:48.560]  prosecute well I've got a question Christopher if if you've never gone to
[15:48.560 --> 15:54.720]  court over the windshield issue and it was not part of the record or anything
[15:54.720 --> 15:59.480]  at the time you were processed in or out what exactly was the purpose of your
[15:59.480 --> 16:03.680]  appearance in court this time to begin with since that fact was obviously not
[16:03.680 --> 16:09.880]  the reason you were there to be adjudicated okay you may have this mixed
[16:09.880 --> 16:14.400]  up with the Wheaton case this is a separate case to do with Will County the
[16:14.400 --> 16:19.960]  Wheaton cases in DuPage County so when I was there's three court cases I have
[16:19.960 --> 16:28.480]  going on each one in a different county and the one with the cracked windshield
[16:28.480 --> 16:32.040]  is the newest one and that was the one that was in Will County with Joliet
[16:32.040 --> 16:38.160]  County Court or Joliet Court the city of Joliet has the court right there and I
[16:38.160 --> 16:43.040]  was right that that would actually pop up on the on the screen when I was being
[16:43.040 --> 16:50.200]  processed in to the DuPage County jail and it never did I when I even requested
[16:50.200 --> 16:53.920]  when my outfit was oh there's a new one file for me there was nothing I came
[16:53.920 --> 17:00.560]  back and yet I have rang the court clerk about two weeks before I went into jail
[17:00.560 --> 17:05.120]  and she had told me there's no worse worn out for you so I'm kind of
[17:05.120 --> 17:11.000]  puzzled as to what I did okay this is probably the thing it probably only shows
[17:11.000 --> 17:17.560]  up in Joliet okay they don't want to pay if you get arrested in another county
[17:17.560 --> 17:21.240]  they don't want to pay the cost of having to transport you from the one
[17:21.240 --> 17:27.400]  county to the other right so it only shows up in the regional computer okay
[17:27.400 --> 17:40.920]  okay that makes them hang off okay all right thank you Wendy so that's the
[17:40.920 --> 17:45.080]  situation there and I know that I'm not even worried about the Joliet situation
[17:45.080 --> 17:53.640]  now because they can't do anything okay we got a couple more callers okay so
[17:53.640 --> 17:58.480]  what is he supposed to do on Monday oh me I'm going to eat into DuPage County
[17:58.480 --> 18:02.760]  and I don't know I don't know my suspect is the trial but I don't know what it is
[18:02.760 --> 18:08.640]  for I haven't gone back look at my case file let me let me give you a suggestion
[18:08.640 --> 18:21.640]  take a toothbrush Oh boy Andy that doesn't sound very helpful okay the I'm
[18:21.640 --> 18:25.080]  wondering now what's going to happen to me because of that comment you know
[18:25.080 --> 18:30.000]  well they've if they've held you for that long in jail over something this
[18:30.000 --> 18:38.680]  minor they're probably just going to want you to go away they jailed him for
[18:38.680 --> 18:45.880]  consent before not the traffic ticket yeah I know what are you saying what are
[18:45.880 --> 18:50.520]  you saying that is this the same county yeah is this the same county in case to
[18:50.520 --> 18:56.520]  the originally started out in where he was arrested for content yes okay okay
[18:56.520 --> 19:02.160]  they're probably just going to want your case to go away take some cash but now
[19:02.160 --> 19:07.600]  supposedly you're going back in to actually adjudicate some ticket yeah I
[19:07.600 --> 19:12.080]  suppose it's going to be put to trial because when I was behind the clerk's
[19:12.080 --> 19:15.920]  desk with my handcuffs on I mean I wasn't in front of the bench anymore and
[19:15.920 --> 19:21.480]  he said let's try it for a trial date on the sixth of July but then when I wrote
[19:21.480 --> 19:25.960]  a message that you when you told my friend Charlie that I should write the
[19:25.960 --> 19:30.000]  letter of apology to the judge it came back from the public defender's office
[19:30.000 --> 19:38.720]  as the next court date is the 13th of July so okay so you know I don't know
[19:38.720 --> 19:44.240]  what I'm presuming is for trial but it's a Monday usually trials from my
[19:44.240 --> 19:48.480]  understanding with this court is on a Thursday and a Friday and I've never
[19:48.480 --> 19:53.000]  gone to these guys on a Monday I've always been there on a Tuesday or a
[19:53.000 --> 20:00.320]  Wednesday you know so it may be on a dismissal docket it could be a good
[20:00.320 --> 20:05.120]  chance that's what it is that they figure they've punished you enough and
[20:05.120 --> 20:09.520]  you come in and they'll just do a dismissal docket and they say oh the
[20:09.520 --> 20:17.080]  police office hasn't come so this case is dismissed yeah that right that would
[20:17.080 --> 20:23.160]  be nice and you know they kept you in jail for 30 days the good chance
[20:23.160 --> 20:26.480]  they're going to figure you've paid enough in this engine that let you go
[20:26.480 --> 20:33.120]  right we're traffic ticket and in Texas a JP they can't even three days is all
[20:33.120 --> 20:39.520]  they can do you right 60 days is a long time okay for a non-jailable offense
[20:39.520 --> 20:44.200]  right now there is one one other thing that happened when I was being put away
[20:44.200 --> 20:49.160]  and the judge told the prosecutor to tell the court clerk to refuse any more
[20:49.160 --> 20:53.960]  documents from me because why does laughing through the paperwork when I
[20:53.960 --> 20:57.680]  was actually arrested he was laughing through the paperwork and then he was
[20:57.680 --> 21:01.680]  just about to swear because of something that you saw and he caught himself just
[21:01.680 --> 21:06.720]  in time and then he said tell he said to the prosecutor tell the court clerk not
[21:06.720 --> 21:11.400]  to accept any more paperwork from this person okay wait till you get this
[21:11.400 --> 21:18.600]  adjudicated and then we go you can go back after the judge you can call this
[21:18.600 --> 21:26.120]  all retaliation right because he was upset with the documents that you filed
[21:26.120 --> 21:33.960]  in your case and you should do Wendy's leans against him just yes well that's
[21:33.960 --> 21:38.880]  the thing I was stopped from the second to last the penultimate step I was
[21:38.880 --> 21:43.080]  stopped at and I'm just wondering if I should actually right after the hill to
[21:43.080 --> 21:47.840]  say the last step even though I've actually bypassed the final payment go
[21:47.840 --> 21:51.720]  up to the courtroom see what's happening yeah wait wait till your case is
[21:51.720 --> 21:56.000]  adjudicated till the judge no longer has subject matter jurisdiction over you
[21:56.000 --> 22:04.000]  okay then file I can still file after the case has been closed yes yeah if you
[22:04.000 --> 22:07.800]  don't wait and while you're still in his clutches go ahead and pack that
[22:07.800 --> 22:15.120]  toothbrush yeah wait until he he does a final adjudication then you're clear of
[22:15.120 --> 22:20.920]  it then hammer him all right that's when he gets to be fun that's when you get
[22:20.920 --> 22:26.080]  payback okay well I'll probably call in a few times and get help with this
[22:26.080 --> 22:31.040]  because I have not done this before and so anyway I won't take up any more time
[22:31.040 --> 22:38.120]  okay I'll let you know what happens good good okay excellent thank you all for
[22:38.120 --> 22:42.360]  your help okay thank you thank you Christopher okay we've got a couple
[22:42.360 --> 22:47.920]  more callers we've got Joe from Ohio and then Jerry from Oregon that might be one
[22:47.920 --> 22:51.240]  of our affiliates so there's a Jerry in Oregon who's our affiliate that might be
[22:51.240 --> 22:55.640]  our affiliate let's go to Joe in Ohio because he called in first Joe thanks
[22:55.640 --> 22:59.800]  for calling in what's on your mind tonight yes I want to do a weigh in on
[22:59.800 --> 23:04.600]  that navigable water thing that you're talking about okay go ahead I'm reading
[23:04.600 --> 23:09.120]  from a memorandum that a lawyer wrote regarding water rights and there's one
[23:09.120 --> 23:15.000]  sentence in here that I'm going to clarify or make it muddy but this is a
[23:15.000 --> 23:22.600]  reference now to Ohio okay but it states in here not all waters that are capable
[23:22.600 --> 23:30.600]  of floating a canoe are quote navigable unquote so apparently in Ohio if you can
[23:30.600 --> 23:37.640]  float a canoe on some waters then it becomes navigable wait did he say that
[23:37.640 --> 23:42.680]  all waters that can float a canoe are navigable no he said not all water
[23:42.680 --> 23:47.400]  good that's what I was hoping he said right and and that's true you can't do
[23:47.400 --> 23:52.720]  commerce across a stock tank I think they could probably call them a pond up
[23:52.720 --> 24:01.000]  there or a small landlocked lake we might be able to ship something across
[24:01.000 --> 24:08.200]  the lake from one side to the other but that's seldom very profitable
[24:08.200 --> 24:14.160]  there's no case court cases there do you want them for whatever if they're on
[24:14.160 --> 24:19.600]  point yes well they're on point as far as you can email them to me I'm trying
[24:19.600 --> 24:26.560]  to find a way you know I was looking at maritime to find something in the nature
[24:26.560 --> 24:37.360]  of maritime that would lend itself to the land it's very clear that the courts
[24:37.360 --> 24:44.800]  intended that maritime go to the sea it's very very clear and these legal
[24:44.800 --> 24:51.120]  reform guys are trying to pull it off to see and use it on the land and I well
[24:51.120 --> 24:55.360]  yeah and any just any crime just said that the only way you can actually
[24:55.360 --> 25:04.640]  invoke maritime is if you're citing 28 133 USC code right Eddie I was looking
[25:04.640 --> 25:11.680]  at those I'm gonna pull that's right 28 USC 1333 or 1337 must be jurisdictional
[25:11.680 --> 25:17.320]  siding within the pleadings and they were very the case law on those was
[25:17.320 --> 25:23.560]  extensive okay well I was just bringing up an issue on the word navigable here
[25:23.560 --> 25:29.360]  as it relates to Ohio so yeah when he says not all waters he's talking about
[25:29.360 --> 25:34.480]  any waters that can't be traversed from one location to another for the purpose
[25:34.480 --> 25:39.220]  of expediting the trade or traveling you know from one county state or whatever
[25:39.220 --> 25:44.560]  to another I can put you on a body of water in a canoe that would float it but
[25:44.560 --> 25:48.960]  that doesn't make it navigable so yeah that's what's for instance the Colorado
[25:48.960 --> 25:55.800]  River in Austin it's it's spotted with lakes where it's dammed up so it's not
[25:55.800 --> 26:01.520]  navigable there's no locks in those lakes and those dams so it's not
[26:01.520 --> 26:06.800]  navigable it's a pretty good size stretch of water but you can't do
[26:06.800 --> 26:10.680]  commerce across it yeah because of the dams I mean especially got Mansfield
[26:10.680 --> 26:18.880]  dams hundreds of feet I mean yeah those damn dams damn dams that goes to an
[26:18.880 --> 26:27.800]  email anyway yeah so clearly my concern is is is what I found was the very
[26:27.800 --> 26:36.560]  nature of maritime not find details I don't have any notion of finding some
[26:36.560 --> 26:42.720]  little trick paragraph in some obscure case that's going to get us to maritime
[26:42.720 --> 26:52.760]  because the bulk of the case law says no maritime okay even if I have one case
[26:52.760 --> 26:58.080]  that says absolutely maritime is available anywhere it's not going to
[26:58.080 --> 27:03.680]  overcome the bulk of all the case law I've seen it's all very consistent and
[27:03.680 --> 27:08.000]  I'm still I still haven't got a very basic question answered that I asked
[27:08.000 --> 27:14.720]  several times tonight is why what is the advantage to going there anyway because
[27:14.720 --> 27:19.080]  if you're talking if you're talking about the liens you're still going to
[27:19.080 --> 27:23.840]  have a huge lien against these people I mean it they're going to have to deal
[27:23.840 --> 27:27.000]  with it one way or the other even if they have to deal with other liens
[27:27.000 --> 27:31.800]  first so I just don't understand and then we were discussing something else
[27:31.800 --> 27:39.120]  on the break concerning whether you're plaintiff or defendant and where the
[27:39.120 --> 27:44.060]  burden of proof is and I think Wendy was starting to explain on one of the
[27:44.060 --> 27:50.120]  breaks something concerning well if in maritime law it's reversed somehow but
[27:50.120 --> 27:54.000]  then we started discussing it ends up that it's really not I mean if you're
[27:54.000 --> 27:58.400]  the plaintiff the burden of proof is still on you okay well I think I can
[27:58.400 --> 28:02.040]  help with that Debra okay go ahead I think the reason they want the maritime
[28:02.040 --> 28:07.800]  jurisdiction is because there is more ways and more authority to go after the
[28:07.800 --> 28:14.720]  ones deciding the case than there is in statutory law in statutory jurisdiction
[28:14.720 --> 28:21.160]  the courts have protected themselves for their acts in maritime they have it
[28:21.160 --> 28:28.480]  okay these guys who are promoting maritime I've never heard one of a
[28:28.480 --> 28:31.920]  mention anything like that I thought I just heard that the main reason they
[28:31.920 --> 28:37.280]  want to do is because their liens would be first in line but there's something
[28:37.280 --> 28:41.440]  that I've that I've read here a few days ago and I'm looking for it now but I
[28:41.440 --> 28:44.560]  haven't located again but there's something I read a few days ago talks
[28:44.560 --> 28:51.000]  about how that there are certain rules under the maritime jurisdiction at which
[28:51.000 --> 28:57.800]  courts and those deciding the cases have absolutely no discretion this is what
[28:57.800 --> 29:03.040]  must be done if it is not done they themselves are accountable well I've
[29:03.040 --> 29:07.640]  also heard I've also heard the the other thing that I've heard is that Don Terry
[29:07.640 --> 29:13.760]  from agenda 21 talked has said that in animal see jurisdiction the the judges
[29:13.760 --> 29:18.480]  are required to enforce the contract but that in equity law they get to do
[29:18.480 --> 29:26.320]  whatever they want that doesn't fit I don't believe that and I and I don't
[29:26.320 --> 29:29.640]  understand why that is I haven't I haven't got the explanation for that yet
[29:29.640 --> 29:33.160]  yeah well the difference is are we actually talking equity law are we
[29:33.160 --> 29:38.160]  talking as I said statutory we know that the judges have a tendency with their
[29:38.160 --> 29:44.560]  statutory interpretation to not adhere to the law under the maritime they may
[29:44.560 --> 29:48.960]  not have that flexibility is what I've been studying well I don't think they
[29:48.960 --> 29:53.200]  have it in statutory we just haven't kicked our ass for it well the thing is
[29:53.200 --> 29:59.240]  also you have to be careful about what you ask for because in in maritime
[29:59.240 --> 30:05.160]  jurisdiction you have no rights okay when you when you go on a ship all right
[30:05.160 --> 30:10.880]  the captain is basically the king you you don't have that's you don't have any
[30:10.880 --> 30:15.840]  rights that's admiralty jurisdiction it's maritime law but it's admiralty
[30:15.840 --> 30:19.640]  jurisdiction well isn't that what these guys are talking about no no no wait
[30:19.640 --> 30:23.840]  we know this backwards it's an it's maritime jurisdiction
[30:23.840 --> 30:29.680]  admiralty law but it's the same thing a jurisdiction under mayor over maritime
[30:29.680 --> 30:39.360]  law oh these guys are confusing me where do I find maritime law I'm not
[30:39.360 --> 30:44.900]  understanding dead air dead air what are you saying where would I go to read the
[30:44.900 --> 30:56.280]  maritime law United States codes most likely it's been in it's been combined
[30:56.280 --> 31:03.320]  with the Civil Code so how would I know if I was in maritime and if I was in
[31:03.320 --> 31:08.480]  maritime how would I know how to handle myself in maritime where can I find the
[31:08.480 --> 31:15.340]  code well if you're saying they've merged the two Randy then what is the
[31:15.340 --> 31:18.480]  difference between the jurisdiction of one and the other if they're now merged
[31:18.480 --> 31:24.980]  exactly my point well here's the other thing if it's if it's outlined if this
[31:24.980 --> 31:30.240]  is like considered old long-term established jurisprudence where do you
[31:30.240 --> 31:35.120]  go to find common law there there you don't that was my other question it is
[31:35.120 --> 31:41.920]  long-term jurisprudence right that's not what thing about the maritime law is it
[31:41.920 --> 31:49.840]  predates statutory no but see law can't be something indefinite it must be
[31:49.840 --> 31:56.600]  definite but common law is indefinite what then and it's even mentioned in our
[31:56.600 --> 32:03.080]  Constitution yes it is but there's somewhere there has to be something that
[32:03.080 --> 32:09.120]  I can go by how can I cite common law the only thing I know is that is citing
[32:09.120 --> 32:19.440]  court cases then stat you know then statutory because in the end everything
[32:19.440 --> 32:24.280]  goes back to the case law okay this is Joe in Ohio you guys take care we'll
[32:24.280 --> 32:28.000]  talk to you later all right thanks Joe did you have any more comments or
[32:28.000 --> 32:32.520]  questions yeah we forgot about you back there well no we didn't I was waiting
[32:32.520 --> 32:41.040]  for him to jump in I did do you have more Joe okay I guess not this is Bill
[32:41.040 --> 32:47.520]  yes go ahead Bill I was going to make a comment relative to the jurisdictional
[32:47.520 --> 32:53.560]  aspect that you know from my perspective you've got in rim jurisdiction which is
[32:53.560 --> 32:57.320]  over property you got personal jurisdiction which is over the person
[32:57.320 --> 33:02.440]  you've got subject matter jurisdiction which is over the subject and it sounds
[33:02.440 --> 33:08.320]  like Merit or not maritime but admiralty jurisdiction if that's that's
[33:08.320 --> 33:14.000]  what it is is over water well no admiralty jurisdiction is it's like
[33:14.000 --> 33:23.360]  admiralty equity statutory in rim subject matter in personum would apply
[33:23.360 --> 33:29.760]  to all of these okay so you've been in from a general standpoint the
[33:29.760 --> 33:34.560]  jurisdiction is basically over something you know whether it's property person or
[33:34.560 --> 33:40.040]  or something and I would think that in admiralty it would be over water no yeah
[33:40.040 --> 33:47.080]  admiralty is the jurisdiction and which is jurisdiction in admiralty only goes
[33:47.080 --> 33:51.040]  to the water that's that's a case we've been trying to make yeah right and even
[33:51.040 --> 33:59.480]  admiralty admiralty has in rim in personum and subject matter equity has
[33:59.480 --> 34:04.800]  the same thing you know so when you look at the form of law it's a matter of what
[34:04.800 --> 34:12.480]  law are you applying to that tradition exactly and you know I've had people say
[34:12.480 --> 34:20.200]  well you can choose whatever form of law you want and no you can't you can only
[34:20.200 --> 34:27.160]  choose a law that has subject matter jurisdiction or jurisdiction over the
[34:27.160 --> 34:33.680]  subject matter and if I'm on the land doing business on the land I can't
[34:33.680 --> 34:45.200]  choose maritime if I'm on a sea as a mariner I can't choose statutory well
[34:45.200 --> 34:51.720]  then I'll give an example like in in Homeowner Association stuff there are
[34:51.720 --> 34:56.280]  several pieces of law that I could use like if I'm dealing with the
[34:56.280 --> 35:01.880]  association and it's a quasi government entity it's governed by corporate law
[35:01.880 --> 35:08.840]  because administrative code administrative code no actually it
[35:08.840 --> 35:14.240]  doesn't because it's not a municipality I have to apply to corporations because
[35:14.240 --> 35:21.520]  the corporation law specifically codifies a mutual benefit corporation
[35:21.520 --> 35:33.000]  what's what state are you in California oh okay so that's there's a corporate
[35:33.000 --> 35:40.520]  law yeah there's 26 codes and what I got to do is I picked the statutory code
[35:40.520 --> 35:46.080]  that applies to the entity in this case the association which is a mutual
[35:46.080 --> 35:51.000]  benefit corporation and and when I'm dealing with fiduciary responsibilities
[35:51.000 --> 35:57.520]  breaches and stuff I use corporate code and then if I'm dealing with the the
[35:57.520 --> 36:01.760]  development which is called the separate interest that I'm dealing with property
[36:01.760 --> 36:07.080]  laws and that comes under the civil code and then you know that's the choice of
[36:07.080 --> 36:11.840]  law there and then I also deal with contracts because we've got a
[36:11.840 --> 36:16.320]  declaration of coveted conditions and conditions and restrictions which
[36:16.320 --> 36:21.320]  applies to contract law and that's under the civil code and then if I'm dealing
[36:21.320 --> 36:25.320]  with the attorneys I'm dealing with business and professions code so what
[36:25.320 --> 36:33.160]  I'm getting at is I'm picking the choice of law under the same jurisdiction as I
[36:33.160 --> 36:39.560]  have certain violations breaches or whatever within that venue yeah and that
[36:39.560 --> 36:44.840]  sounds like a level of sophistication that most attorneys I've run across are
[36:44.840 --> 36:53.320]  just not up to speed on and I like to hear that well then if that's true is
[36:53.320 --> 37:00.160]  there a way to invoke maritime law under other jurisdictions no well
[37:00.160 --> 37:04.480]  maritime I'm not familiar with but it sounds to me like it's within the
[37:04.480 --> 37:10.080]  federal jurisdiction and and you have to apply it in the federal realm of yeah
[37:10.080 --> 37:17.840]  exactly that's very clear in the case law maritime is absolutely always
[37:17.840 --> 37:22.720]  federal okay but what I'm saying what I'm saying is that okay like what Eddie
[37:22.720 --> 37:28.000]  was saying a minute ago about the Admiralty jurisdiction and maritime law
[37:28.000 --> 37:32.280]  and what I'm trying to say that according to what Bill just said we
[37:32.280 --> 37:39.200]  there may be a way to invoke maritime law without having to invoke Admiralty
[37:39.200 --> 37:45.440]  jurisdiction because because Bill is saying that under a certain
[37:45.440 --> 37:50.600]  jurisdiction you can invoke different areas of law that's what I'm that's what
[37:50.600 --> 37:55.520]  I'm getting at there there may be a way to invoke maritime law without having to
[37:55.520 --> 38:04.880]  be under Admiralty jurisdiction you just gave me a headache I'm following along
[38:04.880 --> 38:09.240]  with what Bill just presented I agree yeah and I like that that's why it gave
[38:09.240 --> 38:14.400]  me a headache tried to wrap my mind around it and the reason is is you know
[38:14.400 --> 38:20.040]  I understand it from that perspective because that's how I litigate I go in
[38:20.040 --> 38:24.880]  and I use the choice of law within the jurisdiction that I'm applying it to
[38:24.880 --> 38:32.920]  relative to either the entity the person you know whatever and how do you how do
[38:32.920 --> 38:39.440]  you when you when you choose what what type of law you're applying do you have
[38:39.440 --> 38:44.840]  to come up with some sort of proof or evidence to show why you get to choose
[38:44.840 --> 38:58.000]  that type of law that area of law yes it's written yeah I still bill bill
[38:58.000 --> 39:03.800]  oh sounds like he got run over bill truck he just went to sale hell I think he
[39:03.800 --> 39:07.400]  went I think he dropped off the line so he dropped off the line he'll call back
[39:07.400 --> 39:11.000]  all right look while we're waiting for him to call back let's go to Jerry in
[39:11.000 --> 39:15.640]  Oregon Jerry thanks for calling what's on your mind tonight are you our affiliate
[39:15.640 --> 39:23.200]  out there no actually I'm about 45 miles south of Corvallis I'm in the Eugene
[39:23.200 --> 39:27.840]  area okay wonderful I love I love Eugene so what's on your mind tonight Jerry
[39:27.840 --> 39:37.080]  you know I have a couple questions about it seems to me that when I hear Wendy or
[39:37.080 --> 39:43.840]  other individuals talking about Admiralty law or better yet I it sounds
[39:43.840 --> 39:51.080]  like to me they're using commercial code and commercial application in every
[39:51.080 --> 39:59.400]  instance for example they go into it a traffic ticket and they use all all
[39:59.400 --> 40:06.720]  commercial code processes and procedures throughout from beginning to end is that
[40:06.720 --> 40:15.040]  that's true that's true that is true but they are also trying to invoke maritime
[40:15.040 --> 40:21.400]  the maritime law and or Admiralty jurisdiction because of the way that the
[40:21.400 --> 40:27.560]  liens function in maritime law when you file a lien your lien automatically goes
[40:27.560 --> 40:31.560]  first in line ahead of every other lien no matter what other liens have been
[40:31.560 --> 40:36.800]  filed on that particular property and so that's why they want to have it within
[40:36.800 --> 40:42.280]  the maritime realm because and then also other people are saying that in in a
[40:42.280 --> 40:47.560]  maritime law the judges have much less discretion and they have to they're
[40:47.560 --> 40:51.360]  required to enforce contracts they don't get to just do whatever they want so
[40:51.360 --> 40:56.840]  there are apparently certain advantages so it's not only that they're applying
[40:56.840 --> 41:01.640]  commercial techniques but they are also specifically wanting to invoke this
[41:01.640 --> 41:09.360]  maritime situation because of other advantages so is the presumption then
[41:09.360 --> 41:20.560]  that the court will acquiesce to to the jurors to the to the evocation of the
[41:20.560 --> 41:26.600]  merits or Admiralty law principles and apparently it is be apparently it is
[41:26.600 --> 41:31.240]  because they are and what they're saying is that they're doing it and the courts
[41:31.240 --> 41:36.920]  aren't objecting to it so that's the way it is and that may be true for now but
[41:36.920 --> 41:43.120]  my question is what happens when it gets challenged or when the courts or the the
[41:43.120 --> 41:50.880]  opposing litigant decides to make them prove up their side okay and so that's
[41:50.880 --> 41:55.320]  you can't just continue to go on and on saying well we get to do it because
[41:55.320 --> 41:59.640]  we've been doing it and nobody's objected because really in order for a
[41:59.640 --> 42:04.000]  situation or a point to be properly adjudicated it has to be challenged and
[42:04.000 --> 42:07.600]  it has to go to the appellate court and the appellate court has to rule in your
[42:07.600 --> 42:12.240]  favor and that has not happened yet that's why Randy and I have these kinds
[42:12.240 --> 42:17.680]  of questions because they're just doing it right now and it's working but it
[42:17.680 --> 42:21.240]  hasn't been challenged and it hasn't gone to the appellate court yeah and I
[42:21.240 --> 42:27.360]  agree with you what you said earlier exactly they're talking about maritime
[42:27.360 --> 42:30.520]  but what they're really doing is commercial yeah but what I'm saying is
[42:30.520 --> 42:32.840]  there what they're really doing is commercial but what they're really
[42:32.840 --> 42:38.400]  doing is also maritime because of the types of liens are filing and they're
[42:38.400 --> 42:42.640]  claiming they're simply commercial liens they're calling them maritime liens but
[42:42.640 --> 42:48.880]  they're not they're simply commercial leads well somehow they are forcing the
[42:48.880 --> 42:52.720]  point that they are within the maritime jurisdiction because they're placing
[42:52.720 --> 42:56.080]  there they're in somehow forcing the point that their liens are first in line
[42:56.080 --> 43:00.120]  in front of other late well maybe it works just like it does for the rest of
[43:00.120 --> 43:04.840]  it if they if you assert a jurisdiction the jurisdiction goes unchallenged
[43:04.840 --> 43:10.440]  is that then that's the way it is no no no no no no no no that don't fly well
[43:10.440 --> 43:17.600]  normally you wouldn't think so but I see your point it is flying Randy yeah you're
[43:17.600 --> 43:23.480]  right because nobody has a challenge yet right if they act like they have this
[43:23.480 --> 43:29.720]  jurisdiction and nobody objects to it then if I don't have it but if nobody
[43:29.720 --> 43:33.400]  objects to it then they can go ahead and act like they have it that's what I'm
[43:33.400 --> 43:37.400]  saying that's what I'm saying in order for it to be properly adjudicated and
[43:37.400 --> 43:43.000]  proven as a legal point and to be able to use it as precedent it has to be
[43:43.000 --> 43:45.400]  challenged and it has to go to the appellate court and the appellate court
[43:45.400 --> 43:48.440]  has to rule in favor and that hasn't happened yet they're just doing it and
[43:48.440 --> 43:52.840]  nobody's objecting to it and I still haven't quite seen the proof on how they
[43:52.840 --> 43:58.000]  can do it but I like what Bill is saying because this I think makes a lot more
[43:58.000 --> 44:04.240]  sense where he's saying you get to choose what type of law you're using and
[44:04.240 --> 44:09.600]  applying in a case within underneath a certain jurisdiction and and what I'm
[44:09.600 --> 44:13.640]  saying is that perhaps these people have found a way and they're just not
[44:13.640 --> 44:20.320]  explaining it very well that they get to choose maritime law without having to
[44:20.320 --> 44:26.680]  invoke Admiralty jurisdiction and we have Bill back on the line okay you can
[44:26.680 --> 44:33.520]  stay there Jerry so so Bill you dropped off the line so please continue on on
[44:33.520 --> 44:39.560]  this point about how you are you're about to explain how you how you get to
[44:39.560 --> 44:44.920]  choose a certain area of law within a particular jurisdiction right
[44:44.920 --> 44:50.800]  typically what I do is I look in the code section and I find what the
[44:50.800 --> 44:58.440]  substantive law applies to the the breach or the violation or whatever the
[44:58.440 --> 45:04.120]  case may be and then that if that applies to the area then I do the
[45:04.120 --> 45:09.160]  research on the case law to see how the cases have come out relative to those
[45:09.160 --> 45:14.840]  sections so what I do a Lexis search I'll go in and look at the statute and
[45:14.840 --> 45:19.560]  it usually gives me a breakout of the types of cases as it's associated with
[45:19.560 --> 45:26.240]  certain criteria within the code and if I find something of interest there then
[45:26.240 --> 45:29.920]  I'll further it if I don't then I'll look for a different choice of law that
[45:29.920 --> 45:36.160]  that does get on point with the type of litigation and if I you know if I strike
[45:36.160 --> 45:41.680]  gold then obviously I run with it and then that's the law that I'm applying
[45:41.680 --> 45:47.360]  and and then I throw it into my brief when I go into court I'm on motions or
[45:47.360 --> 45:55.920]  you know on my palate a brief okay you mentioned Lexis what's what level of
[45:55.920 --> 46:03.200]  Lexis do you have I just have the basic level if you have some an issue that you
[46:03.200 --> 46:10.080]  need briefed out frame the issue send it to me I have full Lexis I'll pull down
[46:10.080 --> 46:20.520]  practice guides encyclopedias briefs get them back to you very good well I would
[46:20.520 --> 46:25.160]  like to I would like to determine if if there is case law or if there is a way
[46:25.160 --> 46:31.520]  from bill according to Bill's method that maritime law can be invoked under
[46:31.520 --> 46:39.640]  standard federal jurisdiction what what types of law can be used under federal
[46:39.640 --> 46:48.520]  jurisdiction anyway what well by statutory law would be the USC that's
[46:48.520 --> 46:56.080]  your status code what the problem is maritime is we can only do it in a very
[46:56.080 --> 47:00.880]  focused and limited circuit I think all of this crap about maritime well I
[47:00.880 --> 47:05.840]  don't know I think that I think maybe we saw many I don't know I think maybe we
[47:05.840 --> 47:10.040]  need to look at it a little deeper because everybody's been intertwining
[47:10.040 --> 47:13.880]  Admiralty jurisdiction with maritime law and calling them the same thing and
[47:13.880 --> 47:17.600]  saying maritime jurisdiction and Admiralty law and we have to be very
[47:17.600 --> 47:21.960]  careful about what we're actually talking about here okay and I think that
[47:21.960 --> 47:27.320]  Admiralty jurisdiction can only be invoked in very special cases but I'm
[47:27.320 --> 47:31.480]  not but now I'm starting to wonder but they're they're not the same thing you
[47:31.480 --> 47:35.080]  you're talking about a jurisdiction called Admiralty jurisdiction and you're
[47:35.080 --> 47:40.280]  talking about a type of law called maritime law and I want to know for sure
[47:40.280 --> 47:45.680]  and I want to sure well obviously it does but what I want to know is I want
[47:45.680 --> 47:52.480]  to find out for sure if this maritime law can only be used under Admiralty
[47:52.480 --> 48:00.080]  jurisdiction or not it's a legitimate question I think their premise is is
[48:00.080 --> 48:06.480]  those that are engaged in it is as long as they're not challenged on it then
[48:06.480 --> 48:11.000]  they're allowed to continue and proceed throughout the process that they
[48:11.000 --> 48:20.080]  devote I think that's what I see them doing my off base there no you're not
[48:20.080 --> 48:30.880]  off base yeah question is go ahead ready well what I see happening is is when we
[48:30.880 --> 48:38.200]  choose a path that's improper inappropriate it appears as though the
[48:38.200 --> 48:46.560]  smart lawyers don't object they let us run down this rabbit trail and raise no
[48:46.560 --> 48:51.440]  objections so we have no idea we're off base well see we need to we need to find
[48:51.440 --> 48:56.000]  out what's going on with what's going to be happening what's currently happening
[48:56.000 --> 48:59.840]  with Tim Turner's case he's got a federal case and I haven't studied it
[48:59.840 --> 49:07.520]  thoroughly but in Tim Turner's case the case is still going on going but the
[49:07.520 --> 49:13.400]  issue of invoking Admiralty jurisdiction that part of the case has already been
[49:13.400 --> 49:20.840]  adjudicated and the judge has already agreed that it's an Admiralty
[49:20.840 --> 49:26.920]  jurisdiction Kate where's the proof the proof is in the court documents the
[49:26.920 --> 49:31.240]  proof is in the court documents are they on the internet where we can tell yes
[49:31.240 --> 49:38.920]  it's on pacer it's on pacer what's the case I gotta I gotta look it up I have
[49:38.920 --> 49:43.720]  it in you know some somewhere Russell see if you just look up Tim Turner and on
[49:43.720 --> 49:48.640]  pacer you'll find it it's an ongoing case right now and the the judge has
[49:48.640 --> 49:54.840]  already agreed that to add work to Tim invoking Admiralty jurisdiction it's
[49:54.840 --> 49:58.200]  already been adjudicated the rest of the parts of the case have not been
[49:58.200 --> 50:03.640]  adjudicated yet but that particular issue was adjudicated right away now did
[50:03.640 --> 50:07.400]  he fit the narrow scope of what we've been what you guys were talking about
[50:07.400 --> 50:11.640]  earlier I believe so I believe so I need to look at a little bit further but we
[50:11.640 --> 50:14.720]  need to we need to take a look at Tim Turner's case because if the judge is
[50:14.720 --> 50:21.880]  agreeing to it then there's got to be something to it and could be a moronic
[50:21.880 --> 50:26.920]  judge I mean it wouldn't be the first well this is this is why Randy was
[50:26.920 --> 50:31.520]  saying that in order for a case to really be used as precedent and in a
[50:31.520 --> 50:36.640]  strong way it has the issues have to be challenged and it has to go to the
[50:36.640 --> 50:45.600]  appellate court now I don't know if this go ahead well I was just going to say on
[50:45.600 --> 50:52.240]  another note I I do like the idea of being able to extricate or or divorce
[50:52.240 --> 51:00.520]  yourself in a sense from certain laws that have been enacted and if you didn't
[51:00.520 --> 51:04.800]  if they didn't get my consent why should I have to go along with that
[51:04.800 --> 51:10.720]  simply because I was born in this nation and and came to the age of 18 years old
[51:10.720 --> 51:17.080]  why is it that I have to abide by all of these rules and regulations there there's
[51:17.080 --> 51:21.680]  billions of them and it's beyond the comprehension of a reasonable person to
[51:21.680 --> 51:29.360]  be able to know what they are so what what mechanism can you find can you
[51:29.360 --> 51:35.720]  establish that will will create a barrier between you and those presumption
[51:35.720 --> 51:39.320]  that's that's a file where there's there's a couple that I know of for sure
[51:39.320 --> 51:43.120]  one of them is when you file you used to see one document and you separate
[51:43.120 --> 51:47.240]  yourself from the straw man and you set you you're declaring that the straw man
[51:47.240 --> 51:50.600]  is the debtor and you're the secured party as a living soul I know for sure
[51:50.600 --> 51:54.560]  that that's one and it definitely works and then the other one that C is going
[51:54.560 --> 51:59.920]  to talk about on Monday evening is the revocation of power of attorney to all
[51:59.920 --> 52:06.360]  these governmental entities oh that's what you had mentioned earlier okay yes
[52:06.360 --> 52:10.760]  and she called it yeah she's a friend of ours and she's she called in the other
[52:10.760 --> 52:13.880]  night last night at towards the end of the show and she was scheduled to be a
[52:13.880 --> 52:19.080]  guest tonight but she had an unmitigating circumstances and then you
[52:19.080 --> 52:22.240]  called in so since you were supposed to be a guest last night and you're the
[52:22.240 --> 52:25.520]  guest tonight so our guest just kind of got moved up by a day so yeah she's
[52:25.520 --> 52:28.640]  going to be our guest on Monday night talking about the revocation of power of
[52:28.640 --> 52:36.080]  attorney so that's another way to get to get to separate yourself right because
[52:36.080 --> 52:41.440]  I I think that's a valid concern when you see laws being passed with without
[52:41.440 --> 52:46.760]  your personal consent and and you're like hey I didn't go along with that one
[52:46.760 --> 52:51.880]  right and he and so and I think we have a right to be able to do that to say
[52:51.880 --> 52:55.640]  hey look I'm not going along with the crowd on that you do whatever you want
[52:55.640 --> 53:00.880]  but leave me out of it of course we should have that right I don't know how
[53:00.880 --> 53:05.640]  to establish that but well and then the other thing is bill is that most of
[53:05.640 --> 53:11.240]  these laws are written to apply to commercial entities anyway and so they
[53:11.240 --> 53:16.320]  don't apply to you right off the bat because you as a living soul are not a
[53:16.320 --> 53:20.240]  commercial entity and that's the pole the whole point of filing the you see
[53:20.240 --> 53:25.760]  one document is to make that distinction once and for all that you are not this
[53:25.760 --> 53:34.000]  commercial entity that the these laws apply to your living soul and that's the
[53:34.000 --> 53:39.120]  whole point of the uppercase lowercase thing isn't that operating off of the
[53:39.120 --> 53:45.720]  presumption though that you're being viewed as as a commercial entity that's
[53:45.720 --> 53:50.200]  the presumption that you're operating off of right well no that's not really a
[53:50.200 --> 53:56.560]  presumption I mean we when you study the code okay and Eddie and I went over you
[53:56.560 --> 54:00.640]  know a lot of the law here in Texas you know just for an example for about four
[54:00.640 --> 54:05.680]  hours one night the traffic code and some of the penal code and the way the
[54:05.680 --> 54:09.920]  laws written and the definitions of the legal terms it's very obvious that once
[54:09.920 --> 54:17.040]  you study it the law is written to apply to commercial entities period and so
[54:17.040 --> 54:21.240]  it's not a presumption that is the law that's the way it's written and so they
[54:21.240 --> 54:25.680]  really do not apply to us as living souls we just think it does and we just
[54:25.680 --> 54:30.520]  go along with it all right and so people see their name written in all uppercase
[54:30.520 --> 54:36.040]  and they think it's them but it's not it's this commercial entity that the law
[54:36.040 --> 54:44.560]  applies to and the way to make it so that they can't get to you as a person
[54:44.560 --> 54:48.600]  as a human I'm sorry not as a person a person is by legal definition a
[54:48.600 --> 54:52.600]  commercial entity the way that you make it so that they can't get to you as a
[54:52.600 --> 54:57.480]  human being a living soul is to file those you see one document one and once
[54:57.480 --> 55:04.400]  and for all set the record straight that you are not that thing and moreover the
[55:04.400 --> 55:09.000]  straw man is the debtor and you are the secured party because the way the whole
[55:09.000 --> 55:16.560]  thing functions is that they operate so under the presumption that the straw man
[55:16.560 --> 55:19.920]  is the secured party and you are the debtor and that's how they get to you
[55:19.920 --> 55:24.920]  and so once you set the record straight then that changes everything but the law
[55:24.920 --> 55:30.240]  is clearly written to apply to commercial entities only do we have any
[55:30.240 --> 55:36.320]  proof that people have been insulated by that oh yes that that barrier has been
[55:36.320 --> 55:42.600]  effective yes proven case law to back that up yes there is yes there is and
[55:42.600 --> 55:45.920]  and I don't have all of that in front of me I'm just starting to learn about it
[55:45.920 --> 55:49.760]  but yeah there is there is a lot of case law to show that that has been very
[55:49.760 --> 55:57.360]  effective and now people are starting to do the Admiral to lean thing and I don't
[55:57.360 --> 56:01.200]  really see the necessity of even trying to invoke the maritime or the Admiralty
[56:01.200 --> 56:07.680]  at this point because you can still do all the commercial process of filing
[56:07.680 --> 56:11.040]  these liens on these people people's bonds and all these kinds of things and
[56:11.040 --> 56:15.080]  doing bonded promissory notes and the whole nine yards you don't really need to
[56:15.080 --> 56:19.840]  go to Admiralty I haven't seen the reason for it yet but let's put it that
[56:19.840 --> 56:26.020]  way but yeah there is definite there have been definite results I think
[56:26.020 --> 56:33.560]  Randy's concern is that that people are setting themselves up to to to be a
[56:33.560 --> 56:41.960]  cannon fodder me too that's my concern too that's my concern too see we can we
[56:41.960 --> 56:45.560]  can file these commercial liens and do these UCC documents and everything and
[56:45.560 --> 56:50.520]  there's really no danger or hazard in it okay but trying to this whole thing of
[56:50.520 --> 56:56.480]  trying to invoke the Admiralty jurisdiction I mean until I can see some
[56:56.480 --> 57:02.120]  very clear and obvious case law saying that we can do it for whatever reason
[57:02.120 --> 57:06.760]  I'm not I'm not going to try to quite go there I'll file some commercial liens on
[57:06.760 --> 57:10.600]  people's bonds but I'm not going to try to push some issue about Admiralty law
[57:10.600 --> 57:18.440]  unless I can see that I have some real solid legal backup for my position
[57:18.440 --> 57:24.760]  right okay well I'll just go back to listening okay no that's that's a very
[57:24.760 --> 57:29.080]  good point clarity on those things I'm like I'm going around in circles in my
[57:29.080 --> 57:35.840]  head mom well which which is it yeah no that was very good I'll just listen all
[57:35.840 --> 57:39.560]  right good all right we got a couple more callers here we've got Dan from
[57:39.560 --> 57:44.600]  Texas Dan thanks for calling in what's on your mind tonight hey Deborah I just
[57:44.600 --> 57:52.040]  was wondering about Michael David Bider he used to always say that once you take
[57:52.040 --> 57:57.720]  these documents and you have them recorded filed recorded I think what he
[57:57.720 --> 58:03.360]  used to say then the other side has nothing to trump that with and after
[58:03.360 --> 58:06.840]  those documents or I don't know if they're cured or they've been there so
[58:06.840 --> 58:11.240]  long and you've notified them then they don't have anything to trump you so I
[58:11.240 --> 58:17.200]  don't really understand the difference in like this a maritime or whatever you
[58:17.200 --> 58:22.320]  want to call it okay that's a good question that's a good question that
[58:22.320 --> 58:27.680]  there is a United States and then there are the states United and there are two
[58:27.680 --> 58:32.720]  different places one is the District of Columbia and the other one are what
[58:32.720 --> 58:38.960]  people call what America's okay listen what what you're two different laws or
[58:38.960 --> 58:43.880]  what you're saying okay listen let me answer the first question first okay
[58:43.880 --> 58:49.840]  all right it's true when you're talking about the notice all right where you're
[58:49.840 --> 58:54.740]  billing someone and then you've got the situation where the liens are where you
[58:54.740 --> 58:59.000]  you're you're you're submitting to the public record that you have a claim
[58:59.000 --> 59:04.600]  against someone and if they don't rebut or challenge the claim within a certain
[59:04.600 --> 59:07.640]  time frame that you may lay out or according to precedent you know
[59:07.640 --> 59:12.720]  sometimes people give 10 days 21 days 30 days if they don't challenge or rebut
[59:12.720 --> 59:17.520]  within that time frame then yes it stands as a matter of law that you have
[59:17.520 --> 59:21.400]  a valid claim and then you are able to file a lien on that person and they can
[59:21.400 --> 59:25.960]  never go back and challenge it again because they did not challenge it within
[59:25.960 --> 59:30.720]  the proper time frame but that has nothing to do with invoking a
[59:30.720 --> 59:35.960]  jurisdiction subject matter jurisdiction can always be challenged at any point
[59:35.960 --> 59:45.680]  later on right Randy Randy that's correct okay right okay so Eddie go ahead
[59:45.680 --> 59:52.240]  okay Eddie but once you have that once you have these documents then how can
[59:52.240 --> 59:57.720]  they say that you don't have them or you don't have the right to do them when you
[59:57.720 --> 01:00:04.040]  record them in their realm or in their jurisdiction or I don't know how to
[01:00:04.040 --> 01:00:10.120]  really say it they're not doing that I mean I just said that when you when
[01:00:10.120 --> 01:00:14.000]  you're submitting into when you submit notice to somebody that you have a claim
[01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.960]  against them and then it's in the public record and they're talking about the
[01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:22.240]  claims I'm just talking about the all caps name and the documents that you
[01:00:22.240 --> 01:00:30.360]  have recorded and and I guess the courts and the state when you do that how can
[01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:34.040]  they rebut that you didn't do that they're not trying to rebut that you
[01:00:34.040 --> 01:00:39.520]  didn't do that no one's trying no one's trying to rebut that you didn't do that
[01:00:39.520 --> 01:00:46.960]  when it comes to court nice and say like the other side would say well you can't
[01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:53.360]  do this you didn't have jurisdiction and then you say to them well how do you
[01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.920]  have jurisdiction you don't have any document to prove that you had your
[01:00:56.920 --> 01:01:02.440]  they're not saying that that's not what's going on anybody can anybody can
[01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:08.240]  file a UCC document to address what you're talking about the documents and
[01:01:08.240 --> 01:01:12.640]  things that you're filing should always state what allows them to be filed
[01:01:12.640 --> 01:01:17.480]  there there's a reason they are allowed and usually you're providing the
[01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:21.320]  documentation for that so that it would stand up under that type of scrutiny to
[01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:29.080]  begin with so for them to argue that you can't do that after it's already cured
[01:01:29.080 --> 01:01:34.560]  itself is for them to have to prove it cannot be done because that's what the
[01:01:34.560 --> 01:01:40.760]  other side does to us like say the IRS or any of those people they go get
[01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:45.800]  correct only documents and then they say what you didn't answer this now you're
[01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:51.320]  in trouble and that brings to mind Pete Henriksen cracking the code and if you
[01:01:51.320 --> 01:01:55.720]  don't work for the government you can get money back and there's hundreds of
[01:01:55.720 --> 01:01:59.880]  people that's done it I know some of it I'm going to talk about that but I'm
[01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:06.720]  just saying that's kind of like on the same thing hey I know this I did this
[01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:12.120]  what are you going to do about it the other side says nothing okay you know
[01:02:12.120 --> 01:02:18.760]  they don't ever it's what Deb said earlier about they haven't one in there
[01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:25.080]  and said to us you went down a rabbit hole now we're gonna your legs off or
[01:02:25.080 --> 01:02:28.440]  whatever you can't do that see you're gonna be in trouble and you're going to
[01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:35.240]  prison we'll see Dan hold on let's let's be careful about exactly what we're
[01:02:35.240 --> 01:02:40.000]  talking about here that we're concerned is going to be challenged later on down
[01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.480]  the road that has not been challenged yet we're not concerned at least I'm not
[01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:51.200]  concerning our UCC one filings or the UCC three filings or when we send a
[01:02:51.200 --> 01:02:55.760]  notice to people ones once we have a valid claim and things like that that
[01:02:55.760 --> 01:03:00.640]  that is not what we're concerned about I mean all of that is strictly in the box
[01:03:00.640 --> 01:03:05.160]  above board there is no problem there what we're concerned that is going to
[01:03:05.160 --> 01:03:10.520]  be challenged later on down the road is the jurisdiction because subject matter
[01:03:10.520 --> 01:03:15.160]  jurisdiction can always be challenged later on down the line and these people
[01:03:15.160 --> 01:03:21.320]  are claiming to do things under Admiralty jurisdiction and just because it
[01:03:21.320 --> 01:03:25.960]  has never been challenged up until this point doesn't mean it's not going to be
[01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:31.560]  in the future all right or that if it is that they would lose and so that is the
[01:03:31.560 --> 01:03:36.240]  concern and not not the documents were filing or the or the commercial aspect of
[01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:41.280]  it all who would challenge that against us the federal government whoever that
[01:03:41.280 --> 01:03:46.320]  you're taking a case up against okay okay it could be federal or state it
[01:03:46.320 --> 01:03:51.160]  could be a private individual could be a corporation it could be anybody it would
[01:03:51.160 --> 01:03:58.680]  have to be in the state where the crime was committed right Eddie well it would
[01:03:58.680 --> 01:04:03.800]  have to be wherever the jurisdiction exists and the jurisdiction can exist
[01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:11.200]  either with where the offended party resides or where the act was committed
[01:04:11.200 --> 01:04:15.200]  it can have multiple locations of jurisdiction depending upon what you're
[01:04:15.200 --> 01:04:19.640]  dealing with article three says that if it happens in the state then it must be
[01:04:19.640 --> 01:04:25.040]  what a judicata it must be tried in the state and if it's in the federal it has
[01:04:25.040 --> 01:04:31.200]  to be tried in the and then Congress can tell you this is where the courts going
[01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:36.120]  to be it's going to be in federal it's in the state then the state has to the
[01:04:36.120 --> 01:04:39.560]  state didn't give all the jurisdiction away to the federal government or
[01:04:39.560 --> 01:04:45.760]  something like that right if the offense cross state lines if it occurred in more
[01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:53.040]  than one state or more than one state was used to facilitate the act then you
[01:04:53.040 --> 01:04:57.160]  have multiple places that would have jurisdiction which would remove it to the
[01:04:57.160 --> 01:05:00.720]  federal yeah that's what I didn't understand about the guy that was
[01:05:00.720 --> 01:05:05.400]  fighting the dogs the Fed come in he never went across the state line fighting
[01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.440]  those dogs he was in the state but the federal government come in and just well
[01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.040]  they did that in New Orleans I mean they went and took people's guy I mean the
[01:05:15.040 --> 01:05:20.200]  other side just does whatever they want and then we we put up with it because we
[01:05:20.200 --> 01:05:24.400]  don't know how to I guess we don't have no documentation or we don't know how to
[01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:28.720]  stop people just aren't fighting it all right listen we've got winning stand on
[01:05:28.720 --> 01:05:32.520]  the stay on the line here Dan we've got I'm okay I just want to well now wait a
[01:05:32.520 --> 01:05:35.120]  minute I'm telling you stay on the line because when he in Tennessee called so
[01:05:35.120 --> 01:05:40.160]  she may have a comment for you Wendy do you have a comment for Dan I'm not
[01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:45.840]  necessarily but I have a comment on the jurisdiction in amnesty is the plaintiff
[01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:50.400]  that brings the jurisdiction that's what the counterclaim reverses it makes you
[01:05:50.400 --> 01:05:57.680]  the plaintiff okay can I say something you and me are the law because we're the
[01:05:57.680 --> 01:06:03.400]  aristocrats is that right yes in amnesty you are the law yes we are the law we
[01:06:03.400 --> 01:06:08.160]  bring the Admiralty to him and they obey it because we're the aristocrats and
[01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:15.280]  they have to do what we say is that right that's correct okay why don't tell
[01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:20.360]  Deborah that and tell Eddie that well I'm hearing that that's fine but I want
[01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:25.080]  to I mean I'm not disagreeing with that I'm not disagreeing with that either
[01:06:25.080 --> 01:06:32.800]  okay and the other side can't Trump that is that right Wendy exactly and if they
[01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.840]  did they would have the law and they would shut us down from the get-go they
[01:06:36.840 --> 01:06:41.520]  wouldn't let us go this far okay but what the only thing that Randy and I are
[01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:47.160]  saying concerning that is that even wait hold on Dan hold on I know we're I'm not
[01:06:47.160 --> 01:06:51.640]  necessarily debating what you and Wendy just said I'm not necessarily disagreeing
[01:06:51.640 --> 01:06:57.320]  that with that but what Randy and I are saying is that if that is true even if it
[01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:03.080]  is true in order for that to be properly adjudicated somebody is going to have to
[01:07:03.080 --> 01:07:07.240]  challenge it and it's going to have to go to the appellate court yeah that's
[01:07:07.240 --> 01:07:11.920]  all we're saying and that has not happened yet and so I would like to see
[01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:17.000]  that happen that's all I'm saying because you can't really stand firmly on
[01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:21.320]  a legal principle unless something like that has been challenged and brought to
[01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:25.080]  the appellate court and then you win let me say something that doesn't have
[01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:29.880]  anything to do with anything it's just I want to say this and then everybody can
[01:07:29.880 --> 01:07:35.200]  pitch in and say what they want if you refuse to hear the trumpet setting you
[01:07:35.200 --> 01:07:41.360]  free then it has been put to you in such a way through your ear that you will
[01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:47.240]  never hear the trumpet again and you have become a slave now who said that
[01:07:47.240 --> 01:07:55.960]  Wendy knows and I know don't you Wendy yeah the Messiah said that yes that's
[01:07:55.960 --> 01:08:03.920]  right now I don't know what that has to do with anything but that came to me
[01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:08.360]  when Randy started helping me I thought about that over and over and over but I
[01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:14.480]  never did say it until tonight maybe I should have said it to him but I just
[01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:19.160]  know I just know that and I've tried to look in the Bible and find that and the
[01:08:19.160 --> 01:08:26.480]  Concordance and I went and looked at the Hebrew for that it's changed to English
[01:08:26.480 --> 01:08:33.200]  and I can't find it because they've changed the Bible about 20 times in the
[01:08:33.200 --> 01:08:41.000]  last I think a hundred years but that's just you just just know that I mean
[01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:47.560]  that's just that he out why was that ever said it was said for a reason and I
[01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:52.960]  don't know if it's because he wanted you and Deborah and Randy and Eddie and me
[01:08:52.960 --> 01:08:58.600]  and people like us to be free because if you look at 90% of these people out
[01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:03.840]  there they can't even they say oh you guys are crazy you don't know what
[01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:09.400]  you're doing you can just show them the law and they can't get it they just
[01:09:09.400 --> 01:09:13.800]  can't get it I don't think that I don't think that the maritime or any of that
[01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:19.360]  has anything to do with anything I think what I just said and what Wendy says
[01:09:19.360 --> 01:09:26.760]  about she's the Messiah sister and we're his brothers and sisters and they can't
[01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:31.160]  stop us we can go out and we can do the documentation we want and they're
[01:09:31.160 --> 01:09:37.840]  bullcrap it doesn't work on us it may work on most everybody else but I'll
[01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:44.720]  tell you one thing Wendy have you got them leaned up yes okay well something's
[01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:50.400]  working okay yeah we're not I'm not denying that Dan I know but I can't and
[01:09:50.400 --> 01:09:54.080]  I've not looked I don't have patience I can't look it up and I'm not saying
[01:09:54.080 --> 01:09:58.720]  anything bad about anybody because I'll just tell you something Deborah I don't
[01:09:58.720 --> 01:10:06.680]  learn anything unless somebody curses me and abuses me and then I learned how all
[01:10:06.680 --> 01:10:10.640]  these lawyers they don't have anything but lies and dispute and what Wendy
[01:10:10.640 --> 01:10:15.720]  said goes around the courthouse the water yeah that's exactly right that's
[01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:23.720]  I know and Dan listen again I'm I am not necessarily debating that we are not
[01:10:23.720 --> 01:10:29.840]  well within our right to do such a thing it's just coming from a very safe legal
[01:10:29.840 --> 01:10:36.840]  standpoint in order to really properly push the point on something like that
[01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:42.920]  you have to have precedent a case like that would have to be challenged and go
[01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:47.680]  through the appellate court system and be upheld that's all that Randy and I
[01:10:47.680 --> 01:10:51.560]  are saying we're not saying that it's invalid or that it's not true or that we
[01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.400]  don't have the right to do that we're just saying that that has not happened
[01:10:54.400 --> 01:10:59.240]  yet and so for some people it may not necessarily be the safe way to go that's
[01:10:59.240 --> 01:11:04.880]  all yeah and I know some people that says that say things like this if you
[01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:10.040]  don't say like if you don't feel like 1040 forms or any kind of those
[01:11:10.040 --> 01:11:14.640]  government forms or anything to do with government you don't stick your hand in
[01:11:14.640 --> 01:11:19.720]  there because it'll get on you and that clay to spunk will get all over you you
[01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:25.960]  know don't stay away from Social Security stay away from filing all those forms
[01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:32.720]  don't have a bank account bill and cash save up and do what you know you need to
[01:11:32.720 --> 01:11:39.760]  do and and I agree with that too but yet all we have is the Federal Reserve notes
[01:11:39.760 --> 01:11:43.920]  I mean right well I'm not too concerned with that because now that I understand
[01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:48.160]  a lot more about how the banking system works I'm personally not involved in
[01:11:48.160 --> 01:11:52.760]  that straw man is and so that it doesn't really concern me yeah and me too because
[01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:59.800]  I've filed my documents but I also did some Michael David Bidder stuff and I
[01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:06.000]  talked to him a little bit every once in a while but I will listen I think maybe
[01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:11.000]  he knows more than Tim Turner but I don't know that's just my opinion you
[01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:16.120]  talked to him before you you you got you probably know him better than I do and I
[01:12:16.120 --> 01:12:23.600]  mean he knows all about LLCs and you know all about stuff yes all right well
[01:12:23.600 --> 01:12:26.920]  listen with their colors are starting to stack up again Mark so we need to move
[01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:32.240]  on I'll listen I'll listen in okay great thanks okay we we've got Christian from
[01:12:32.240 --> 01:12:38.080]  Florida and Mark from Wisconsin and I want to take Mark first because Christian
[01:12:38.080 --> 01:12:42.120]  had called in before so Christian just hold on we're going to keep Wendy up
[01:12:42.120 --> 01:12:47.200]  Mark thanks for calling in what's on your mind tonight I was just calling to
[01:12:47.200 --> 01:12:53.960]  see how the rainbow girls doing doing good doing good I I'm digit I told my
[01:12:53.960 --> 01:12:58.400]  story last night I'm doing pretty well I'm gonna be going after these guys with
[01:12:58.400 --> 01:13:04.080]  liens on their bonds and civil cases suing them criminal complaints the whole
[01:13:04.080 --> 01:13:08.520]  thing so yeah it's it's all good they gave me standing they gave me they gave
[01:13:08.520 --> 01:13:13.640]  me a present well good for you he got a little rainbow present when you went up
[01:13:13.640 --> 01:13:20.840]  there too indeed what did Randy fall asleep Randy are you there he just
[01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:26.080]  chatted and he said Randy yeah I'm here all right various he came back yeah I
[01:13:26.080 --> 01:13:35.280]  have my mic muted I didn't want you to hear me snoring ready yes how is the
[01:13:35.280 --> 01:13:42.840]  courtroom in a bait shop the same oh quite room and a bait shop I don't know
[01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:47.800]  how is the courtroom in a bait shop the same they're both full of suckers leeches
[01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:51.240]  maggots and nightcrawlers
[01:13:53.080 --> 01:13:58.680]  sounds like sounds like the law attorneys hey hey sounds like maritime to
[01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:12.600]  me yeah maybe that's how they get to maritime that's all I got I just wanted
[01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.720]  to say hi have a good night all right good thanks mark that's one of our
[01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:19.880]  affiliates mark bye bye bye okay we got another caller here on the line we've
[01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:23.640]  got Christian from Florida all right Christian thanks for calling in with
[01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:29.960]  on your mind tonight hey Deborah thanks I wanted to address your prior question I
[01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.720]  didn't want to ignore you on that you seem to be talking about it now but I
[01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:39.440]  had more focus on the commerce end of it right there the Commerce Clause but no
[01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:45.520]  supple federal rules of our rules of civil procedure at the end contains the
[01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:52.200]  supplemental rules of Admiralty and what I would want to do would be to come in
[01:14:52.200 --> 01:14:58.080]  to an admiralty court creating it under a rule 9h and then use the point USC
[01:14:58.080 --> 01:15:04.320]  1333 either in a state or a federal venue now I want to create a libel or
[01:15:04.320 --> 01:15:10.240]  review case now we in a redemption method here are using a hybrid wait wait
[01:15:10.240 --> 01:15:17.800]  wait let me finish here we're using a hybrid we're using commercial and we're
[01:15:17.800 --> 01:15:22.640]  using advocacy and we can use them separate or simultaneously and the
[01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:28.440]  libel of review has been replaced with condemnation so yeah that's what that's
[01:15:28.440 --> 01:15:35.840]  what happened when they combined the two in 1966 that was one of the primary
[01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:42.100]  changing changes was a libel interview was replaced by the in when the
[01:15:42.100 --> 01:15:46.880]  maritime was combined with the statutory libel of review was replaced with
[01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:51.480]  condemnation that goes to enforcing of judgments that's when they took the
[01:15:51.480 --> 01:15:55.480]  silver backing out of the Federal Reserve note I don't think the two had
[01:15:55.480 --> 01:16:00.000]  anything to do the one had nothing to do with the other I don't believe but it's
[01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:05.640]  just the way that you go about forcing whatever you want to call it the burden
[01:16:05.640 --> 01:16:10.840]  of proof shifts from the respondent slash defendant and he has to prove the
[01:16:10.840 --> 01:16:17.440]  claim and I'm coming into court already having adjudicated the libel as if they
[01:16:17.440 --> 01:16:22.520]  filed an action against me and filed it in any kind of court they've created
[01:16:22.520 --> 01:16:28.080]  the libel and now they have to disprove that there's not a libel and they can't
[01:16:28.080 --> 01:16:36.880]  do it wait a minute I have to disprove that there's not a libel yeah can you
[01:16:36.880 --> 01:16:40.800]  back up can you double negative can you can you can you back up a little bit
[01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:47.200]  about concerning that sure sure what do you want to back up on well okay
[01:16:47.200 --> 01:16:53.000]  concerning I'm not sure who you're referring to as a as a plaintiff or a
[01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:57.000]  defendant here can you give us like an example okay because I'm getting a little
[01:16:57.000 --> 01:17:01.360]  bit confused as to which is which and who's filing a claim against whom here
[01:17:01.360 --> 01:17:06.080]  yeah we kind of file like the libel review as a counterclaim okay but wait
[01:17:06.080 --> 01:17:11.960]  a minute but wait give me like paint a picture for me like an example like if
[01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:15.920]  you're the state and you come at me with some kind of charge okay are you coming
[01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:20.240]  at me with a charge you have now libeled me there's a public record of that libel
[01:17:20.240 --> 01:17:24.360]  so I'm going to come at you with a counterclaim and that counterclaim is
[01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:29.000]  I'm going to come in with a libel review review and now you are the defendant the
[01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.240]  respondent and the burden of proof in an admiralty and a libel review shifts to
[01:17:34.240 --> 01:17:40.080]  the defendant or the respondent not the plaintiff isn't that a similar situation
[01:17:40.080 --> 01:17:47.080]  as if you file a counterclaim yeah yeah then why do you need to invoke
[01:17:47.080 --> 01:17:51.400]  Admiralty when you can just file a counterclaim well because they're both
[01:17:51.400 --> 01:17:55.960]  one of the same really okay well then you don't need to invoke Admiralty then
[01:17:55.960 --> 01:18:04.040]  because bring it in through rule 9h and come under 28 USD 1333 yeah yeah but you
[01:18:04.040 --> 01:18:10.840]  can't just go in under 9h you have to to fall under 9h in order to invoke 9h you
[01:18:10.840 --> 01:18:18.640]  can't just say 9h and automatically go into Admiralty how do you fall under 9h
[01:18:18.640 --> 01:18:24.960]  we pull it up how does the situation fall under 9h and what is not can you
[01:18:24.960 --> 01:18:29.000]  explain what 9h is anyway for people who may not know okay I'll have to pull up
[01:18:29.000 --> 01:18:35.480]  the rules is he pulling it up I've got it here somewhere
[01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:43.440]  it's in my research folder under Admiralty keep going I'll let you know
[01:18:43.440 --> 01:18:49.240]  when I get to it I've got to dig it out of here okay I'm looking it up to
[01:18:49.240 --> 01:19:10.680]  people and research and maybe Wendy has it up Wendy you still with us yeah still with you but I don't have it up okay hmm I think I have stored my Admiralty stuff in the wrong folder somehow
[01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:16.120]  yeah my also and they make comments too that every time I've been in the court
[01:19:16.120 --> 01:19:20.680]  in any case I've been there the judge has never adjudicated anything they've
[01:19:20.680 --> 01:19:26.080]  always left the courtroom without adjourning the hearing
[01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:34.160]  so obnoxious isn't there something about they default the case that they vacate
[01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:40.120]  the bench and during the court session yes I don't think the case the
[01:19:40.120 --> 01:19:46.160]  defaulting the case is between the litigants not the judge well it's not default
[01:19:46.160 --> 01:19:53.880]  he got me he he actually abandons his court and you do summary judgment right
[01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:58.200]  that's that's what I'm getting at he forfeit the Kate's is forfeit when he
[01:19:58.200 --> 01:20:06.240]  does that summary judgment applause well who forfeits forfeit which side well
[01:20:06.240 --> 01:20:11.400]  whoever has a third stand-up says I declare summary judgment in favor of
[01:20:11.400 --> 01:20:20.240]  we well are you saying that the kid the plaintiff automatically wins the case if
[01:20:20.240 --> 01:20:26.560]  the judge runs out of the courtroom no no no whoever there's a summary judgment
[01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:30.960]  and and and it's always you know of course you're talking about those
[01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:35.280]  illegal people over here on the other side of me and you know they they like
[01:20:35.280 --> 01:20:39.160]  it whatever they think the judges say and the judge should say whatever he
[01:20:39.160 --> 01:20:42.840]  wants to it there what so whoever runs up to the mic and declare summary
[01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:49.240]  judgment wins at that point yeah wait wait is there case law on that I think
[01:20:49.240 --> 01:20:56.080]  there is I don't have that on right now yeah I actually can get you something on
[01:20:56.080 --> 01:21:05.160]  that so whoever declares summary judgment closes the court wins the case
[01:21:05.160 --> 01:21:11.360]  where did I put it so what's the deal on what we want to do is just run them all
[01:21:11.360 --> 01:21:16.320]  off and then we get to declare the case one and go on about our business well
[01:21:16.320 --> 01:21:23.960]  because an annulty it goes into common law okay and I'm gonna find it that's
[01:21:23.960 --> 01:21:32.200]  why I was looking on is if you go to Ecclesius org it talks about about this
[01:21:32.200 --> 01:21:35.980]  is the last law they cannot do away with his father because he is his first in
[01:21:35.980 --> 01:21:45.600]  time first is right then which sounds so crazy so when you go in an annulty court
[01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:50.400]  wait I would I went somewhere else in my mind sorry about that ADD kicked in for
[01:21:50.400 --> 01:21:59.440]  a second get late here so it's three nine is pleading supplemental special
[01:21:59.440 --> 01:22:07.280]  matters and H is the admiralty or maritime claim under h1 it says how is
[01:22:07.280 --> 01:22:11.440]  it designated it says a claim for relief is within the admiralty or maritime
[01:22:11.440 --> 01:22:15.880]  jurisdiction and also within the court subject matter restriction on other
[01:22:15.880 --> 01:22:20.120]  ground the pleading may designate the claim as an admiralty or maritime claim
[01:22:20.120 --> 01:22:26.380]  for purposes of rules 14 C and 38 E and rule 82 and the supplemental rules of
[01:22:26.380 --> 01:22:32.200]  admiralty for maritime claims and asset forfeiture actions the claim cognizable
[01:22:32.200 --> 01:22:35.080]  only an admiralty or maritime jurisdiction is an admiralty or
[01:22:35.080 --> 01:22:41.880]  maritime claim for the purposes whether or not so designated yeah if it falls
[01:22:41.880 --> 01:22:47.280]  within the subject matter jurisdiction of admiralty that was what I was looking
[01:22:47.280 --> 01:22:54.440]  for that's the only time you can claim it you can't just claim admiralty
[01:22:54.440 --> 01:22:59.960]  jurisdiction because you want to you have to be able to show that it falls
[01:22:59.960 --> 01:23:07.320]  under the jurisdiction and I can't get there for the most part I'm not a seaman
[01:23:07.320 --> 01:23:12.680]  it apparently is working now in fact I've even done it myself
[01:23:12.680 --> 01:23:20.400]  claims and ruled nine eight come under the eight USC 1332 either in a federal
[01:23:20.400 --> 01:23:28.280]  state court mine was in federal 1333 excuse me and the burden of proof is
[01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:34.400]  shifted now to the respondent or defendant which is them that brought the
[01:23:34.400 --> 01:23:44.720]  tort or the the libel because they filed a claim against a real man wait a minute
[01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:52.460]  how does the real man have anything to do with maritime well just like the
[01:23:52.460 --> 01:24:00.320]  gentleman before he said I think we're mixing things up here somehow we're
[01:24:00.320 --> 01:24:09.360]  trying to tie things in that don't fit without actually connecting all the dots
[01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:17.600]  yeah I'm still I'm still not I still want to know how it you bring 9h into
[01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:23.000]  the picture I mean I understand it once that happens then there's all these
[01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:27.440]  other things follow but and you're saying the burden of proof shifts and
[01:24:27.440 --> 01:24:32.760]  all that kind of thing but right what I'm saying is like how how do you get to
[01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:42.480]  bring rule 9h in use the libel or the the use the libel as the as the kind of
[01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:47.800]  like the tort it's the libel is the damage and it's already been done yeah
[01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:57.200]  but the libel has to be associated somehow with maritime jurisdiction well
[01:24:57.200 --> 01:25:03.720]  that's where I'm applying rule 9h well 9h says you can you can invoke it if it
[01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:08.280]  falls within the jurors right that's not defined the jurisdiction that's
[01:25:08.280 --> 01:25:13.280]  circular reasoning you can't yeah you can't just say I get to imply rule H
[01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:17.040]  you can't just say it's maritime jurisdiction because I'm implying rule
[01:25:17.040 --> 01:25:20.760]  H and rule H implies maritime jurisdiction that's that's circular
[01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:30.680]  reasoning well I think I think the biggest problem we're having here is
[01:25:30.680 --> 01:25:37.360]  with use of the language we're not using the language very carefully and it's
[01:25:37.360 --> 01:25:49.240]  getting us into to reasonable rational traps that may be but I'm still there's
[01:25:49.240 --> 01:25:52.720]  still a circular reasoning here because that's what I'm that's what I'm talking
[01:25:52.720 --> 01:25:59.640]  about circular reasoning is one of those language things that we do that lead us
[01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:08.120]  down rabbit holes okay okay well look going back to the 9h all these things
[01:26:08.120 --> 01:26:16.880]  apply under rule 9h but there's got to be a way to get there we can't just say
[01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:22.840]  we're an Admiralty jurisdiction because we're invoking rule 9h when rule 9h is
[01:26:22.840 --> 01:26:29.120]  what well I'm the one who sets the law of the case you can only set the law of
[01:26:29.120 --> 01:26:36.120]  the case if the law has subject matter jurisdiction I'm granting it you can't
[01:26:36.120 --> 01:26:42.040]  grant it you don't have that authority yes I do where do you get that because
[01:26:42.040 --> 01:26:47.680]  I'm the one who makes the rules really I am the real man where do you get that
[01:26:47.680 --> 01:26:53.720]  these all these other courts these statutory courts were inferior where do
[01:26:53.720 --> 01:27:01.800]  you get that right out of the Constitution where I have the
[01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:06.960]  Declaration of Independence you still still you're making these claims
[01:27:06.960 --> 01:27:13.480]  without supporting the claim where does the Declaration of Independence give
[01:27:13.480 --> 01:27:18.560]  independence give you sovereign individual authority to write law well I
[01:27:18.560 --> 01:27:23.960]  do have a Supreme Court case that says sovereignty itself is not subject to law
[01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:29.080]  what's that just no wait wait now no wait a minute that's not saying that the
[01:27:29.080 --> 01:27:34.880]  sovereign is not subject to law but sovereignty itself is not no it goes on
[01:27:34.880 --> 01:27:44.360]  to say that not because the sovereign is any way exempt well the source of the
[01:27:44.360 --> 01:27:53.880]  law cannot be held up Eddie is basically the gist of the case Eddie Eddie Eddie
[01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:57.960]  hold on you dropped off for a second go back I know I accidentally hit my mouse
[01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:04.360]  button you to myself okay go back okay repeat wait hold on I want Eddie to
[01:28:04.360 --> 01:28:07.960]  repeat this because he did it because it wasn't he got muted so go ahead Eddie
[01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:13.560]  the Supreme Court case I've got says sovereignty itself is not subject to law
[01:28:13.560 --> 01:28:20.560]  because it is the source of the law you in other words you can't bind down the
[01:28:20.560 --> 01:28:25.320]  lawmaker by the laws that are supposed to be being made for others yeah but
[01:28:25.320 --> 01:28:31.600]  see we're not the sovereignness the lawmaker no actually you state that they
[01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:38.560]  adjudicate our law yes we are it's our law but we don't make it no we delegate
[01:28:38.560 --> 01:28:43.360]  the Thor the authority to the others to make it right the legislature is a
[01:28:43.360 --> 01:28:47.440]  sovereign that makes it knows the legislators are not they're not sovereign
[01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:53.280]  their public service look we don't make law you can't twist this around oh you
[01:28:53.280 --> 01:28:57.560]  like me somehow make this legislature we're not legislatures making law but
[01:28:57.560 --> 01:29:01.920]  it goes back to just a common sense bit of reasoning here no no no no we don't
[01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.400]  get to do that hold on Randy you're the one that is that is always say oh hell
[01:29:06.400 --> 01:29:09.280]  on you're the one that is always saying that they are public servants not
[01:29:09.280 --> 01:29:13.360]  sovereigns legislators are not sovereigns they are public servants
[01:29:13.360 --> 01:29:18.560]  legislators make the law but they are not thought but they are not sovereigns
[01:29:18.560 --> 01:29:26.640]  false argument no it's not you and I do not make law hold on let's go back to
[01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:31.800]  what the Supreme Court said let's go Eddie read read what that read it again
[01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:36.680]  about what the Supreme Court said let me find the case I don't have a case up in
[01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:43.320]  front of me but it's one that I've used yeah I want to see context okay and
[01:29:43.320 --> 01:29:48.400]  Randy you are the one who is always saying it's our law I know that well but
[01:29:48.400 --> 01:29:54.440]  I don't make it but it goes back to what we're saying it if if we got you and I
[01:29:54.440 --> 01:29:58.200]  and Deborah all get together and we delegate a certain amount of authority
[01:29:58.200 --> 01:30:04.040]  one to the other we can we can agree to be bound by the delegation of that
[01:30:04.040 --> 01:30:09.720]  authority or we can say no I don't agree to that and then we're not bound by it
[01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:15.120]  we can all get together and make that compact or we can break that compact
[01:30:15.120 --> 01:30:21.640]  yeah mutual consent kind of thing yes we can but we've already done that really I
[01:30:21.640 --> 01:30:25.120]  didn't vote for any of these guys we've got in office right now how did I do
[01:30:25.120 --> 01:30:33.840]  that so is it your contention that every time a person is born we have to hold a
[01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:41.280]  whole new Constitutional Convention can any contract be eternal Randy
[01:30:41.280 --> 01:30:51.000]  Randy all the law is commercial when we went no no we're not we go down we go
[01:30:51.000 --> 01:30:55.800]  down this and there is no law Randy that's not true Randy that's not true
[01:30:55.800 --> 01:30:59.280]  but but Eddie look we've already discussed and Eddie and Eddie and I I
[01:30:59.280 --> 01:31:03.960]  totally agree with a certain point here because Eddie has shown it to me
[01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:08.960]  according to legal definition and all the statute in this state at least the
[01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:13.840]  traffic code the field code they all apply to commercial entities everything
[01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:20.840]  that is written they really it really doesn't apply to us as living souls do
[01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:27.960]  we make law you and I do I make the law that applies to me no you didn't make
[01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:34.120]  the law no one did the Messiah did no the Messiah didn't make this law like
[01:31:34.120 --> 01:31:37.640]  the law does not apply to us anyway I see that now the law applies to
[01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:47.360]  commercial entities no the life only the traffic law I told you every statute in
[01:31:47.360 --> 01:31:52.680]  Texas every one of them at the very beginning says that chapter 311
[01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:56.880]  government clothes code applied to the construction of this code and unless
[01:31:56.880 --> 01:32:01.040]  the code itself in a given section specifically states that it does not
[01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:06.040]  apply as we saw in that private invent our private security investigator or
[01:32:06.040 --> 01:32:08.520]  whatever they're trying to charge you with yeah you remember we're
[01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:14.200]  specifically stated chapter 311 does not apply unless that statement exists
[01:32:14.200 --> 01:32:20.120]  chapter 311 applies and when it applies it is referring to commercial legal
[01:32:20.120 --> 01:32:29.320]  entities every single time every time the statutes and codes only applied to
[01:32:29.320 --> 01:32:34.640]  US citizens who are persons corporate entities and they are employees of the
[01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:39.400]  corporation United States that's why we file these you can see one documents
[01:32:39.400 --> 01:32:43.320]  and in women that's why we're following you to see one documents the law really
[01:32:43.320 --> 01:32:46.480]  doesn't apply to us we're not saying there's no law we're saying the law
[01:32:46.480 --> 01:32:52.200]  does not apply to us you're running around in circles we were talking about
[01:32:52.200 --> 01:33:00.080]  rather I make the law that applies to me that's what you said I'm the sovereign
[01:33:00.080 --> 01:33:08.200]  I make the law no we did not say whether we make the law that applies to us the
[01:33:08.200 --> 01:33:12.920]  law never applies us we were talking about making a law that applies to them
[01:33:12.920 --> 01:33:20.120]  we delegate authority for the legislature to make law to govern the
[01:33:20.120 --> 01:33:26.440]  behavior of the legal entities not the people but the legal entities okay
[01:33:26.440 --> 01:33:38.560]  delegated that authority okay so how does my legal entity do anything if if
[01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:46.640]  it's not me if I'm the natural man on the land did my legal entity can't do
[01:33:46.640 --> 01:34:00.760]  anything yes correct only I can you motivate it but wait a minute wait a minute I'm the man on the land how does the legal entity take
[01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:08.800]  form if we're not connected it can't it's it's a fiction it doesn't exist it
[01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:14.840]  only exists in the minds of people then the law only applies to a fiction that
[01:34:14.840 --> 01:34:19.120]  only exists in the minds of the people well that's exactly what it says what's
[01:34:19.120 --> 01:34:26.480]  a person a person is a legal entity it is not a flesh and blood man or woman it
[01:34:26.480 --> 01:34:32.680]  is a legal entity a legal entity by definition is a fiction there's a
[01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:40.160]  separate premise here and that is that we can whip the legal aspect of our
[01:34:40.160 --> 01:34:48.160]  persona away from the natural aspect of our persona well we're under the case
[01:34:48.160 --> 01:34:51.200]  I'm referring to Randy is one of your favorites
[01:34:51.200 --> 01:34:57.120]  equal versus Hopkins sovereignty itself is of course not subject to law for it
[01:34:57.120 --> 01:35:01.920]  is the author and source of law but in our system while sovereign powers are
[01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:06.480]  delegated to the agencies of government sovereign powers now not rights
[01:35:06.480 --> 01:35:11.520]  sovereignty itself remains with the people by whom and for whom all
[01:35:11.520 --> 01:35:17.520]  government exists and acts okay all right now by our authority the
[01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:23.320]  legislature makes law for him the legislature must make law for our
[01:35:23.320 --> 01:35:30.640]  benefit okay not for our governance but for our benefit it is to our benefit
[01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:35.980]  that the legislature makes law to control the legal entities that have no
[01:35:35.980 --> 01:35:44.960]  morals no principles no conscience without those laws they can do what part
[01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:54.360]  of that is yick-woo and what part of that is a crank what part of that was
[01:35:54.360 --> 01:36:01.200]  yick-woo the the part that I read up to where all government exists and and the
[01:36:01.200 --> 01:36:09.360]  rest of that was was yeah but it's factual opinion based upon how the
[01:36:09.360 --> 01:36:16.720]  government that we created is set up you're creating a situation here that
[01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:31.800]  Iran Rand would surely like this is a very pardon me sure every Saturday
[01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:39.240]  night at 7 to 9 p.m. I have a show money banking and trust by moving titles in
[01:36:39.240 --> 01:36:44.120]  commerce it's it's on commercial redemption Admiralty now it's all about
[01:36:44.120 --> 01:36:51.760]  banking money and trust I'll move title and the show is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time
[01:36:51.760 --> 01:37:02.640]  and the call-in number is 7 1 2 4 3 2 8 7 7 3 and the access pin number is 1 7
[01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:09.960]  9 4 4 1 pound and you can also get it direct off the internet at the real
[01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:17.600]  public radio net so I talked further about these these topics you know this
[01:37:17.600 --> 01:37:24.120]  is my specialty and this is what I talk about so if anybody wants to join me
[01:37:24.120 --> 01:37:30.280]  tomorrow night and every Saturday night then you're welcome yeah not to clarify
[01:37:30.280 --> 01:37:33.840]  the other half of my answer to your question the rest of that Randy is
[01:37:33.840 --> 01:37:38.480]  straight out of the Texas Constitution section 2 where it says all political
[01:37:38.480 --> 01:37:42.400]  powers inherent in the people and then all free governments are founded on
[01:37:42.400 --> 01:37:49.240]  their authority and instituted for their benefit okay so let me understand this
[01:37:49.240 --> 01:37:57.800]  right you're saying that all of the laws are designed to apply to public officials
[01:37:57.800 --> 01:38:04.640]  and the straw man that's the way the laws written that's the way I see it okay
[01:38:04.640 --> 01:38:13.400]  how do I the thing we're getting to here is it says legal entities now in 311 it
[01:38:13.400 --> 01:38:20.240]  specifically states what a legal entity is now if you are allowing the creation
[01:38:20.240 --> 01:38:25.000]  and use of a straw man that fits the description of one of those things
[01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:29.920]  listed under the definition of person then yes you have a legal entity
[01:38:29.920 --> 01:38:36.800]  floating around out there that they're acting upon as if it's you how all of
[01:38:36.800 --> 01:38:43.800]  your acts how is it different to me is it not my alter ego yeah but let's draw
[01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:49.920]  a man argument exactly what I'm getting at is a corporatism argument because
[01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:55.280]  that's exactly what the law addresses the corporatism the legal entities
[01:38:55.280 --> 01:39:05.720]  created by statute but am I not the natural man on the land and the corporate
[01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:12.360]  entity no you are not I could I could create I could create a corporate
[01:39:12.360 --> 01:39:16.960]  entity as a trust or corporation or anything else and and call it whatever I
[01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:24.920]  want no we didn't but they've managed to do it behind the
[01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:28.360]  scenes and an implementation on our behalf through other types of
[01:39:28.360 --> 01:39:33.440]  documentation that they create for instance it wasn't up until the 50s and
[01:39:33.440 --> 01:39:41.160]  60s birth certificates and became synonymous with every birth okay and so
[01:39:41.160 --> 01:39:46.080]  on and so forth now all of your birth certificates are issued on bond paper
[01:39:46.080 --> 01:39:50.720]  with bond numbers on them you know this you've seen okay well yeah but if you
[01:39:50.720 --> 01:39:55.160]  take an SS five form which is an application for Social Security in block number
[01:39:55.160 --> 01:39:59.240]  three it asks you are you a United States citizen and most people will check
[01:39:59.240 --> 01:40:02.880]  that block but there are three other blocks that you could check and one of
[01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:08.720]  them is other and then another block you put down American I am not actually
[01:40:08.720 --> 01:40:14.360]  what I do is I just line out the United States citizen and put in American and
[01:40:14.360 --> 01:40:18.000]  then you sign that document and there's penalty of perjury clause at the bottom
[01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:23.440]  swearing it is true and correct no he just made me back I'm still trying to
[01:40:23.440 --> 01:40:30.320]  figure out how the straw man and the natural man are different the Social
[01:40:30.320 --> 01:40:34.920]  Security form you just swore that you were the same that doesn't tell me how
[01:40:34.920 --> 01:40:41.360]  they're different when I'm not when is a trust Randy it's a legal entity it's the
[01:40:41.360 --> 01:40:44.640]  core you know some people say it's a corporation it's actually a trust it's
[01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:48.760]  not a human being it's not a living soul okay look let's look at let's look at a
[01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:54.600]  corporation like a Motorola or Dell okay it's a it's a fiction it's a
[01:40:54.600 --> 01:41:00.320]  corporation it's a it's a legal entity it's not a a human being that exists
[01:41:00.320 --> 01:41:05.280]  I understand that argument I've heard it a million times it doesn't tell me how
[01:41:05.280 --> 01:41:09.880]  if I walk up and punch somebody in the head how the corporation did it the
[01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:13.960]  corporation didn't do it you punched a real man you're under common law and you
[01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:21.560]  need you damaged that man okay if I operate a vehicle myself and why do I
[01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:26.800]  violate a law where is how does the corporation do it how do we separate
[01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:32.260]  corporation didn't do it in that case Randy look let me wait stop yes the
[01:41:32.260 --> 01:41:37.280]  corporation did if Randy went through the process of setting himself up with
[01:41:37.280 --> 01:41:42.020]  a license that's true that's true for queuing everything else then yes the
[01:41:42.020 --> 01:41:46.120]  corporate entity that's true now you committed yourself to the corporate
[01:41:46.120 --> 01:41:50.040]  activity by filing and getting those documents okay look Randy hold on Randy
[01:41:50.040 --> 01:41:54.040]  in order to answer your question let me let me go back to what Eddie explained
[01:41:54.040 --> 01:42:00.820]  to me one night concerning damage or like like say murder or assault okay if
[01:42:00.820 --> 01:42:05.760]  you if somebody murders somebody all right there has to be something set up
[01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:10.400]  so that that is punishable and that person would go away or whatever all
[01:42:10.400 --> 01:42:14.960]  right so Eddie will you please explain since all law is written to apply to
[01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:20.320]  commercial entities for the most part from what I understand how are situations
[01:42:20.320 --> 01:42:25.760]  like murder and assault dealt with when there is a natural living soul that has
[01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:31.520]  done something like this well specifically speaking there there is not
[01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:37.960]  a statutory act defining murder as a crime because we already know it's a
[01:42:37.960 --> 01:42:43.060]  crime all right it's a common law crime it is harm against another now there is
[01:42:43.060 --> 01:42:50.440]  statutory provisions for the punishment for that act okay but there's no need to
[01:42:50.440 --> 01:42:56.600]  make a penal statute that says murder is a crime okay because we know it's a crime
[01:42:56.600 --> 01:43:01.680]  same thing with assault we have committed a harm against another the
[01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:06.520]  only reason the statute exists for assault is to differentiate the degree
[01:43:06.520 --> 01:43:10.960]  to which the harm occurred and murder there is no degree you either did it or
[01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:16.960]  you didn't he's alive or he's dead in the story so in those cases the law
[01:43:16.960 --> 01:43:22.000]  actually does apply to the living soul is that what you're saying Eddie because
[01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:27.360]  it's based on the common law okay now all they're dealing with remember they
[01:43:27.360 --> 01:43:32.000]  did not write a law saying murder is a crime they wrote a law saying if a
[01:43:32.000 --> 01:43:36.140]  person is convicted of murder here is the punishment for the crime but when
[01:43:36.140 --> 01:43:40.160]  they say person they're not referring to the legal entity definition of a person
[01:43:40.160 --> 01:43:45.520]  is that right actually there's a code it defines person as a natural person okay
[01:43:45.520 --> 01:43:50.680]  all right that's Eddie that's not true what's not true there's a statute that
[01:43:50.680 --> 01:43:54.360]  says if a person commits an act that a reasonable person would consider would
[01:43:54.360 --> 01:43:59.920]  tend to cause grievous bodily injury or death and death occurs that's the crime
[01:43:59.920 --> 01:44:09.520]  of murder it is defined but what is it defined from does murder exist because
[01:44:09.520 --> 01:44:15.880]  of a statutory act like a violation of driving philosophy again no no no it's
[01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:21.800]  a fact finds it it's either a fact or it's not can you commit murder without
[01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:27.360]  the legislature having ever created anything dealing with the act no okay
[01:44:27.360 --> 01:44:32.200]  what do you mean no yes you can I can kill you even if a law doesn't find it
[01:44:32.200 --> 01:44:39.720]  or not you can kill me not commit murder it's only murder if it's defined as a
[01:44:39.720 --> 01:44:47.320]  crime of murder that's not murder no that's not what it says says that I
[01:44:47.320 --> 01:44:52.400]  shot my killer right but that's been argued over and over again is not a
[01:44:52.400 --> 01:44:57.040]  direct interpretation because kill would mean that God could never have sent men
[01:44:57.040 --> 01:45:02.680]  to war and have never told the people now wait a minute God applaud and apply
[01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:10.520]  to God it applied to us but God sent us to do it yeah he could do that yes again
[01:45:10.520 --> 01:45:16.240]  which is my point that's the difference between kill and murder there is an
[01:45:16.240 --> 01:45:21.440]  ability to kill in self-defense preservation of life self-property and
[01:45:21.440 --> 01:45:28.760]  others and murder is defined by law just killing someone's not necessarily murder
[01:45:28.760 --> 01:45:35.840]  can be manslaughter or it can be self-defense but that's a that's a man
[01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:42.240]  made distinction that's right so is murder murders man-made distinction
[01:45:42.240 --> 01:45:53.600]  it's kind of off topic here yeah yeah but but in any case no we're not we're
[01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:58.800]  answering your question Randy here a few minutes ago which you were you were
[01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:05.280]  concerned about the fact that what we're saying is that all law is written to
[01:46:05.280 --> 01:46:09.680]  apply to commercial entities except for certain situations like what what Eddie
[01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:13.920]  is saying which is based on common law things like assault common law crimes
[01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:20.120]  assault rape murder things like that okay all other law is written to apply
[01:46:20.120 --> 01:46:23.720]  to commercial entities so that is the answer to your question when you're
[01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:26.880]  saying if you walk up and punch someone in the face how is it that the
[01:46:26.880 --> 01:46:31.760]  corporation did it and not you and then we also gave the example of if you're in
[01:46:31.760 --> 01:46:35.640]  a car and you get an accident damage somebody else's car how is it that the
[01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:38.880]  corporation did it and not you and the answer to that question is if you have set
[01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:42.160]  yourself up with the driver's license and all the license plates and everything
[01:46:42.160 --> 01:46:47.720]  like that then the corporation did do it so when I get in my car if I have
[01:46:47.720 --> 01:46:55.800]  license on it I'm not driving it the legal fictions driving it if you're
[01:46:55.800 --> 01:47:02.480]  agree driving it for the purpose of the comp the commercial activities yes that
[01:47:02.480 --> 01:47:07.520]  that's the difference between Joe private and Joe public Joe private is
[01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:11.680]  you taking care of your own personal business with your own personal property
[01:47:11.680 --> 01:47:16.520]  you're not engaged in the commercial activity that involves any of what they
[01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:20.960]  required you to get as you said I'm not using my driver's license at the moment
[01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:25.520]  right all right but once you get behind the wheel of a taxi cab and go to work
[01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:30.080]  you're Joe public you're now engaged in that activity and all the rules
[01:47:30.080 --> 01:47:36.440]  associated with that activity to which you acquiesced apply okay this is
[01:47:36.440 --> 01:47:44.720]  beginning to make sense but I needed in a way that I can use that consistently
[01:47:44.720 --> 01:47:50.400]  and this is I've been struggling with this for a long time so that it's clear
[01:47:50.400 --> 01:47:56.120]  when I'm corporate when I'm common the activity makes the difference Randy you
[01:47:56.120 --> 01:48:00.280]  have to distinguish the activity once you're engaged in that's what I need
[01:48:00.280 --> 01:48:06.200]  sorted out well it's going to depend on what the activity Randy when I when I'm in
[01:48:06.200 --> 01:48:12.440]  common law and when I'm in statutory law well also a lot of it's going to have to
[01:48:12.440 --> 01:48:16.920]  do with you separating yourself from your straw man that used to see one
[01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:23.440]  filings all right that's not what I'm going to well but even understand how to
[01:48:23.440 --> 01:48:28.040]  know the difference even if you do the filings Debra you can still engage in
[01:48:28.040 --> 01:48:33.000]  the activity and void the filing for that period you mean you as a living soul
[01:48:33.000 --> 01:48:41.280]  you mean what was that Christian you can redraft everything that you did you
[01:48:41.280 --> 01:48:46.280]  read you get re-contracted over by your actions demonstrating your intent right
[01:48:46.280 --> 01:48:51.160]  right so if you re-engage in the activity then you've re-established all
[01:48:51.160 --> 01:48:56.160]  the rules that belong to that activity so just separating yourself through
[01:48:56.160 --> 01:49:01.040]  paperwork is not enough right it's just like saying I don't want a CDL but then
[01:49:01.040 --> 01:49:06.640]  I go jump in the cab of a loaded semi and haul a load from here to Kansas okay
[01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:10.760]  I may not want the license but I jumped into a truck and gaze in the activity
[01:49:10.760 --> 01:49:18.880]  that requires it and if I get caught I'm in deep doo-doo so the only way to
[01:49:18.880 --> 01:49:23.040]  really know and really carefully sort this out is that you just really have to
[01:49:23.040 --> 01:49:28.560]  study the law very well and then apply your actions in accordance and that's
[01:49:28.560 --> 01:49:34.240]  where right I mean you have in order for this to work and in order for this to
[01:49:34.240 --> 01:49:39.800]  work in your favor the things every man and woman must know is what are their
[01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:45.680]  rights what rights did they have before government even existed what rights do
[01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:52.080]  they have since government has been made to exist we delegated certain powers and
[01:49:52.080 --> 01:49:59.240]  authorities to our legislatures to do certain things on our behalf never to
[01:49:59.240 --> 01:50:04.520]  rule over us with the delegated authority that would be go going back to
[01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:08.840]  the Buntler example I use all the time you can give the Buntler all kinds of
[01:50:08.840 --> 01:50:13.320]  authority on how to manage and run your household but he does not own your house
[01:50:13.320 --> 01:50:17.560]  he cannot tell you which room to sleep in he cannot tell you when you can
[01:50:17.560 --> 01:50:24.880]  invite guests over to throw a dinner party unless he does for you exactly so
[01:50:24.880 --> 01:50:29.640]  just like you said Randy if the law doesn't say it we can do it yeah and the
[01:50:29.640 --> 01:50:34.400]  fact is we didn't know what I need to know is it's not what my rights are my
[01:50:34.400 --> 01:50:39.680]  rights include everything what I need to know is where I have authorized my
[01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:47.080]  legislature to restrict my freedom of choice correct well see if somebody
[01:50:47.080 --> 01:50:52.080]  else may have done it for you okay because this is not a democracy this is
[01:50:52.080 --> 01:50:57.640]  not mob rule the majority does not win if that would happen they could just
[01:50:57.640 --> 01:51:02.000]  vote away our rights by a mass vote and it would all be over that's the
[01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:07.560]  difference between the democracy and the Republic and if that's and if that's
[01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:11.480]  and if that's the case that we can do you know again going back to the
[01:51:11.480 --> 01:51:14.840]  sovereignty thing we can do whatever we want unless there's something saying we
[01:51:14.840 --> 01:51:18.480]  can't well then that's the answers of the question that we had about 20
[01:51:18.480 --> 01:51:24.080]  minutes ago which is how do we get to invoke the maritime law or the
[01:51:24.080 --> 01:51:27.440]  Admiralty law and like people like Wendy and these other people were saying well
[01:51:27.440 --> 01:51:32.320]  we can because with the sovereigns and so apparently that's the way it is no
[01:51:32.320 --> 01:51:41.040]  we can't maritime jurisdiction is very specifically defined and we can't exceed
[01:51:41.040 --> 01:51:47.960]  that definition just because we're sovereign we had the jurisdiction
[01:51:47.960 --> 01:51:51.960]  carefully defined when you file a petition one of the first things that
[01:51:51.960 --> 01:51:58.560]  has to be in there is jurisdiction you have to show the court why it's able to
[01:51:58.560 --> 01:52:05.680]  exercise whatever jurisdiction you're claiming okay can't just claim it
[01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:09.240]  because it's not you who are as the sovereign who are exercising the
[01:52:09.240 --> 01:52:14.360]  jurisdiction be charging the court to exercise that jurisdiction so you have
[01:52:14.360 --> 01:52:19.960]  to show why the court has what authorizes the court to exercise that
[01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:26.360]  jurisdiction precisely because we're not because we're not the judge right and
[01:52:26.360 --> 01:52:31.600]  the jurisdiction is very clearly defined in order for us to keep control of that
[01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:37.800]  judge you must act within a certain jurisdiction in certain circumstances
[01:52:37.800 --> 01:52:43.840]  and first thing we have to tell him is what jurisdiction he's authorized to act
[01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:47.640]  in and why he's authorized to act in that
[01:52:47.640 --> 01:52:54.320]  and why he's required to as well right okay you know sir David said we can oh
[01:52:54.320 --> 01:52:59.840]  we just choose our jurisdiction no we can't all we can do is apply the
[01:52:59.840 --> 01:53:06.080]  jurisdiction that's already been established all right I will only get to
[01:53:06.080 --> 01:53:13.920]  pick the one that applies all right well let's go to hello hello okay let's go to
[01:53:13.920 --> 01:53:17.120]  my Christian you can stay on the line here let's go we've got another call
[01:53:17.120 --> 01:53:21.120]  we've got Michael in Texas Michael thanks for calling in what's on your mind
[01:53:21.120 --> 01:53:26.080]  tonight I can't believe you guys are still on I thought you guys went off at
[01:53:26.080 --> 01:53:30.940]  midnight well we yes no I show normally ends at midnight but sometimes we do go
[01:53:30.940 --> 01:53:36.920]  into overtime mode well you guys are you guys are rock stars I mean it's great to
[01:53:36.920 --> 01:53:41.480]  be listening to this really robust debate I mean you guys all Randy and
[01:53:41.480 --> 01:53:47.160]  this is this has been fun and frankly for me this is very good for me because
[01:53:47.160 --> 01:53:56.480]  I get to exercise well for a couple weeks on this topic and I called in
[01:53:56.480 --> 01:54:01.040]  about a week and a half ago and I spoke with you Randy on this issue and I'm
[01:54:01.040 --> 01:54:07.560]  learning and I'm going for a ride with me you guys and and it's really it's
[01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:11.360]  really bringing in a lot of the lightning facts in law cases that that
[01:54:11.360 --> 01:54:17.320]  are helping me understand because I you know I'm filing all my internal
[01:54:17.320 --> 01:54:27.480]  whoa whoa what's going on that was me Randy easy easy with a mic Randy a real
[01:54:27.480 --> 01:54:32.000]  quick point of information is I've been listening all night long filing online
[01:54:32.000 --> 01:54:36.840]  with Washington State has been we've we've we've set off our attachments and
[01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:41.760]  and are probably with all that and it's been really fast what are you talking
[01:54:41.760 --> 01:54:45.720]  about are you talking about the UCC one filings you can see one file yeah and I
[01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:50.160]  filed my UCC one online with us state of Alabama and I did in about ten minutes
[01:54:50.160 --> 01:54:55.200]  yeah but just on just on the subject and I just with everything that's been said
[01:54:55.200 --> 01:55:04.080]  over the past couple weeks and this is for Randy I'm still as you know I you
[01:55:04.080 --> 01:55:07.040]  know I've got my UCC one done I'm going through this process and I don't have
[01:55:07.040 --> 01:55:10.080]  any I don't have any mortgage problems I'm gonna have any of these debt
[01:55:10.080 --> 01:55:14.040]  problems but I'm you know I'm technically a security credit I'm going
[01:55:14.040 --> 01:55:18.840]  through this process of initiating my bonds and and and and and you know we're
[01:55:18.840 --> 01:55:24.240]  filing these these these documents with 17 agencies in the federal government
[01:55:24.240 --> 01:55:28.400]  and we're setting up fiduciary appointments with with the Secretary
[01:55:28.400 --> 01:55:36.480]  Treasury and and and other IRS you know areas other other appointees in the IRS
[01:55:36.480 --> 01:55:43.840]  and we're engaging our our government directly and so my my question is is if
[01:55:43.840 --> 01:55:51.640]  someone is doesn't not using this process of enacting their UCC contract
[01:55:51.640 --> 01:55:57.160]  trust account and and and and existing and doing commerce and living in this
[01:55:57.160 --> 01:56:03.080]  corporate the fact of the state after we and this is my question about political
[01:56:03.080 --> 01:56:08.800]  status is actually about political status needs to know and after I attain my
[01:56:08.800 --> 01:56:12.600]  political status and I'm operating within within the confines of the law and
[01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:16.640]  something comes along and wants to put a lien on my house which is in my
[01:56:16.640 --> 01:56:23.040]  property list it's in my UCC I'm in I'm in I'm an international jurisdiction
[01:56:23.040 --> 01:56:29.080]  based upon the the the Atlantic articles 55 and 56 and and and how short the
[01:56:29.080 --> 01:56:36.120]  resolution 192 setting up that we use these documents if someone comes and puts
[01:56:36.120 --> 01:56:43.800]  a lien on on my property or my person my my political status still does not does
[01:56:43.800 --> 01:56:51.680]  not establish jurisdiction correct what does political status mean being a
[01:56:51.680 --> 01:56:55.440]  secured being an American secured party what you guys been talking about when
[01:56:55.440 --> 01:56:59.680]  you're an American secured party doesn't that doesn't that put you in an
[01:56:59.680 --> 01:57:05.000]  international commerce instead of the statutory de facto corporate commerce
[01:57:05.000 --> 01:57:12.200]  that we're that we're operating in I address that please do because I'm lost
[01:57:12.200 --> 01:57:17.800]  yeah I have dual standing I have a political election that I've elected out
[01:57:17.800 --> 01:57:24.360]  of the US corporation and I have a domicile files instead of a residency
[01:57:24.360 --> 01:57:33.920]  and then I also have a commercial UCC filing also so I have a dual a dual to
[01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:40.560]  two feet to the leg you know two legs I'm standing on a domicile political
[01:57:40.560 --> 01:57:47.320]  election and I'm standing commercially with a secured party creditor yeah so
[01:57:47.320 --> 01:57:52.760]  I've got my standing a little more tighter than more people not everybody
[01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:58.480]  has done that plus I've filed entities with the Secretary of the state and the
[01:57:58.480 --> 01:58:02.280]  Attorney General in the state and also the governor and I put them on
[01:58:02.280 --> 01:58:06.540]  notification and have them all in dishonors which is a recognition of my
[01:58:06.540 --> 01:58:12.520]  political standing so my question is is that's political status there's our
[01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:20.080]  political association no nobody can tell you what political affiliation you you
[01:58:20.080 --> 01:58:23.680]  have to be that's not what Randy Sam Randy saying something different and
[01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:28.600]  it's making sense and I just you know I want to be able to operate as a as a
[01:58:28.600 --> 01:58:32.720]  sovereign citizen not rubbing anyone the wrong way no one knocking on my door
[01:58:32.720 --> 01:58:39.800]  flashing a homeland security badge in my face well but your sovereignty is not a
[01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:45.840]  political position your sovereignty is an inherent position
[01:58:45.840 --> 01:58:54.600]  yeah like being the firstborn child in your family it's not a political
[01:58:54.600 --> 01:59:00.320]  position it's a it's a factual position well like I'm saying like there I've
[01:59:00.320 --> 01:59:03.800]  been listening to the show and listening to the guys on agenda 21 and listen to
[01:59:03.800 --> 01:59:09.040]  all of this debate and all of this controversy and all these folks good
[01:59:09.040 --> 01:59:13.360]  folks who got their homes in foreclosure and they're using these maritime
[01:59:13.360 --> 01:59:19.200]  liens to establish jurisdiction on contracts are written before there was
[01:59:19.200 --> 01:59:24.520]  party before there was before there were secured parties there's no man might
[01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:28.360]  have secured party status or have political election or be sovereign but
[01:59:28.360 --> 01:59:33.520]  then is the properties that he supposedly owned where's the jurisdiction
[01:59:33.520 --> 01:59:38.320]  at it's in their fiction realm because they have these colorable titles attached
[01:59:38.320 --> 01:59:42.440]  to all the real property well I'm agreeing with what I've been hearing a
[01:59:42.440 --> 01:59:45.480]  lot is that you can't you can't it's not salty enough I really get that the
[01:59:45.480 --> 01:59:48.960]  navigable waters that's that's easy to understand and you don't need to use
[01:59:48.960 --> 01:59:53.200]  these we all I'm saying is if you're using these liens all these good folks
[01:59:53.200 --> 02:00:01.160]  out there trying to clean up their their problems using these using this you
[02:00:01.160 --> 02:00:05.120]  trying to reassociate jurisdiction with contracts that have been established
[02:00:05.120 --> 02:00:08.840]  before they were secured party I think that that might be a root of a lot of a
[02:00:08.840 --> 02:00:20.080]  lot of the fallibility of people trying to execute this information technology
[02:00:20.080 --> 02:00:27.200]  Michael I think that from what I've been hearing the deal with the liens is for
[02:00:27.200 --> 02:00:31.720]  people going after that application it concerns people going after public
[02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:37.080]  officials on what basis so yeah but what I'm saying is it's not you're using the
[02:00:37.080 --> 02:00:41.320]  example of dealing with mortgages and that's not what they're doing there
[02:00:41.320 --> 02:00:44.720]  this has to do with public officials I'm just saying that that's that's the
[02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:48.560]  application that that has been going in for a parking ticket and there and then
[02:00:48.560 --> 02:00:54.520]  they're there they're not getting the result that one yeah yeah you were
[02:00:54.520 --> 02:00:59.640]  wondering on what basis these guys are doing the leads that's what we're
[02:00:59.640 --> 02:01:10.040]  wondering too yeah somebody comes to me and does something to me police officer
[02:01:10.040 --> 02:01:15.360]  writes me a traffic citation now if I'm understanding that right that's an
[02:01:15.360 --> 02:01:20.120]  offer to contract with me because I didn't want anything to do with him he
[02:01:20.120 --> 02:01:29.520]  Grayson offered a contract and how I handle that determines my status no I
[02:01:29.520 --> 02:01:33.720]  think I think your your your tone Randy is the right tone because I called in
[02:01:33.720 --> 02:01:37.960]  the other day on on on this other side and I've been quickly converted but the
[02:01:37.960 --> 02:01:42.720]  conversation has been really between the three of you it's been hot and it's like
[02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:47.840]  all these different points of intersecting but I think people out
[02:01:47.840 --> 02:01:53.440]  there they they they're they're responsibly use this process wisely and
[02:01:53.440 --> 02:02:01.080]  and and and as as to not create a rift in in our political system and in our
[02:02:01.080 --> 02:02:06.840]  courts that we're American security parties but we're not here to to play
[02:02:06.840 --> 02:02:10.440]  by the same you know we're not here to we're here to support the law we're not
[02:02:10.440 --> 02:02:15.960]  here to create controversy and and I think we need to be careful and the
[02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:20.160]  conversation has just been the best I mean this is the conversation that
[02:02:20.160 --> 02:02:22.920]  people need to be engaged in they need to be careful they need to be moving
[02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:28.160]  slowly well thanks Michael I mean in the way I see it here concerning like these
[02:02:28.160 --> 02:02:33.720]  liens it's there's nothing wrong with the like the process that Tim Turner is
[02:02:33.720 --> 02:02:37.640]  outlining and the agenda 21 guys and stuff and what you know how I'm you
[02:02:37.640 --> 02:02:40.560]  know what I'm learning and what I'm going to be doing there's nothing wrong
[02:02:40.560 --> 02:02:44.480]  with it strictly dealing in the commercial realm the only kind of
[02:02:44.480 --> 02:02:49.280]  controversy I see is are you going to try to apply some Admiralty jurisdiction
[02:02:49.280 --> 02:02:53.320]  but everything else I mean there's you can still apply you can still file these
[02:02:53.320 --> 02:02:56.680]  commercial liens against these people's bonds it's just the only difference is
[02:02:56.680 --> 02:03:00.060]  that your lien isn't going to be first in line that's all yeah I think the
[02:03:00.060 --> 02:03:05.080]  Admiralty argument is just irrelevant well it's not irrelevant in the fact
[02:03:05.080 --> 02:03:10.400]  that there's been two points presented it concerning that if you if you can
[02:03:10.400 --> 02:03:16.480]  invoke the Admiralty your lien is first in line which adds some power and if
[02:03:16.480 --> 02:03:21.280]  also if you can invoke the Admiralty then somehow the the burden of proof is
[02:03:21.280 --> 02:03:26.080]  shifted but those are the only two advantages that I see everything else
[02:03:26.080 --> 02:03:29.920]  still applies I mean you still got the lien on these people you're still
[02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:34.600]  causing them a great deal of trouble it still is going to affect their personal
[02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:38.480]  finances and the whole nine yards and you still get to sue them and everything
[02:03:38.480 --> 02:03:45.760]  else well my question is if it's agenda 21 moving forward and and and and this
[02:03:45.760 --> 02:03:50.920]  this redistribution of wealth the authority that's that that is executing
[02:03:50.920 --> 02:03:56.040]  that is existing an international law and we're we're we're we're we're going
[02:03:56.040 --> 02:04:05.560]  along with it at the local level and it doesn't apply it doesn't live a level
[02:04:05.560 --> 02:04:12.400]  right we're doing that in far too many things we're accepting an authority that
[02:04:12.400 --> 02:04:22.120]  has no place over us or in our realm it doesn't and people are accepting it
[02:04:22.120 --> 02:04:27.760]  because it's a ruse like all this stuff like with smart growth and sustainable
[02:04:27.760 --> 02:04:32.280]  development and all these things that that your local City Council is pushing
[02:04:32.280 --> 02:04:37.600]  for especially here in Austin that is all agenda 21 in the way that it gets
[02:04:37.600 --> 02:04:41.880]  filtered down and becomes a matter of law or ordinance here at the local level
[02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:46.240]  is that these ideas and these philosophies and and and all of this gets
[02:04:46.240 --> 02:04:50.200]  pushed down from the UN through the federal government through the state to
[02:04:50.200 --> 02:04:54.360]  the City Council's the City Council's presented people vote on it or the City
[02:04:54.360 --> 02:04:58.360]  Council votes on it and then it's a done deal at the local level be and and it's
[02:04:58.360 --> 02:05:01.680]  there City Council said that's the way it's going to be or or it's put up for
[02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:06.200]  public vote and and presented in a manner so that people would think it's a
[02:05:06.200 --> 02:05:12.600]  good idea and and then it's lies or they rig the election to make it fly you're
[02:05:12.600 --> 02:05:16.080]  going more along with how they're implementing it though Deborah what I'm
[02:05:16.080 --> 02:05:20.700]  getting to is something much more basic and fundamental what I'm getting to is
[02:05:20.700 --> 02:05:24.840]  what I was talking about before about if we are the sovereign people we delegate
[02:05:24.840 --> 02:05:29.560]  certain power and authority for them to manage things on a day-to-day basis on
[02:05:29.560 --> 02:05:36.680]  our behalf okay for our benefit not for our governance before our benefit we
[02:05:36.680 --> 02:05:42.320]  have failed to keep control of our household right that's where we've messed
[02:05:42.320 --> 02:05:46.720]  up exactly have not managed the servants the way we're supposed to manage the
[02:05:46.720 --> 02:05:52.540]  servants and have left them to their own devices right so now the public's taken
[02:05:52.540 --> 02:05:58.360]  over the house this is the case law that I've researched that I wanted to bring
[02:05:58.360 --> 02:06:06.040]  to Randy's attention is public law 88-242 and this is it's really I'm wait
[02:06:06.040 --> 02:06:12.840]  a minute a dash 242 is it codified into any code well I think this is hey hey
[02:06:12.840 --> 02:06:21.400]  hey council that's international law well that's what I'm asking that's what
[02:06:21.400 --> 02:06:26.400]  I'm asking you ready if it says public law it's codified into something yeah
[02:06:26.400 --> 02:06:33.080]  that's that well I'm asking you guys to research this law public law 88-242 and
[02:06:33.080 --> 02:06:39.800]  I'll call back in and because I just hang on I'm going after it right now
[02:06:39.800 --> 02:06:45.760]  just just keep talking so we don't have dead air basically what it says in this
[02:06:45.760 --> 02:06:50.800]  document is that Congress this is a this a publication it says Congress enacted
[02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:56.920]  in the year a public law 88-244 result in United States membership in the
[02:06:56.920 --> 02:07:02.560]  organization early night in early 1964 and marked the beginning of full United
[02:07:02.560 --> 02:07:06.920]  States participation international efforts to unify private law since
[02:07:06.920 --> 02:07:13.800]  joining the aid conference the unit droid is capital you and I DRO IT comma
[02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:17.880]  the United States has participated in the work of the United Nations
[02:07:17.880 --> 02:07:25.400]  emissions on international trade law but it goes on but basically since the
[02:07:25.400 --> 02:07:29.480]  United States was participating in this conference we are we are found by
[02:07:29.480 --> 02:07:35.240]  contract but it's the harmonization of public law and advocacy laws like when I
[02:07:35.240 --> 02:07:40.000]  when I started research of further but I'm a carpenter I've been listening to
[02:07:40.000 --> 02:07:44.280]  guys this show since you know you know since the beginning of the year and I'm
[02:07:44.280 --> 02:07:49.840]  learning a lot and it's just been like going down the rabbit hole and I just
[02:07:49.840 --> 02:07:54.400]  know I just know what feels right and I know what doesn't and but that's that's
[02:07:54.400 --> 02:07:58.040]  what I'm calling and I'm calling about public law 88-242 and the toll
[02:07:58.040 --> 02:08:03.760]  controversy it's like where do we where do we wear this whole maritime equity
[02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:08.640]  law where you know is there is there anything in this you know you know is
[02:08:08.640 --> 02:08:16.160]  there anything in this public law 88-242 that is that is the the the the skeleton
[02:08:16.160 --> 02:08:29.840]  okay 88-248 88 PL 242 it's public law dash it's public law 88-244 oh because
[02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:33.760]  this one said to authorize the president to issue annually a pro annually a
[02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:39.480]  proclamation designating the first week of March in each year as save our vision
[02:08:39.480 --> 02:08:47.480]  week by the United States and the Hague Conference on private international law
[02:08:47.480 --> 02:08:54.000]  in the International Rome Institute for the unification of private law and what
[02:08:54.000 --> 02:09:07.400]  does that basically say I mean what is 63 sounds like you see that's one of one
[02:09:08.080 --> 02:09:12.920]  okay well that same day that year uniform commercial code for the
[02:09:12.920 --> 02:09:17.640]  District of Columbia was also implemented in bill 243 okay hold on
[02:09:17.640 --> 02:09:24.160]  public law 88-244 except as provided by subsection C of this section
[02:09:24.160 --> 02:09:29.120]  transactions validly entered into before the effective date specified in section
[02:09:29.120 --> 02:09:34.320]  16 of this act and the rights duties and interest interest flowing from them
[02:09:34.320 --> 02:09:39.320]  remain valid thereafter and may be terminated completed consummated or
[02:09:39.320 --> 02:09:43.680]  enforced as required or permitted by any statute or other law amended or repealed
[02:09:43.680 --> 02:09:48.080]  by this act as though such repeal or amendment had not occurred that's to
[02:09:48.080 --> 02:09:53.760]  keep this from being expo facto the perfection of a security interest as
[02:09:53.760 --> 02:10:02.360]  defined in 28 1- 201 of the District of Columbia code and however dominated in
[02:10:02.360 --> 02:10:08.280]  any law repealed by this act which was perfected when this act takes effect by
[02:10:08.280 --> 02:10:13.440]  filing refiling a recording under a law repealed by this act and requiring the
[02:10:13.440 --> 02:10:18.600]  further filing refiling recording to continue its perfection continue until
[02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:23.680]  and will lapse on the date provided by the law so repeal more expo facto stuff
[02:10:23.680 --> 02:10:29.600]  okay D the following British statute cell no longer have any force for effect
[02:10:29.600 --> 02:10:37.800]  in the District of Columbia 1 9 and 10 Williams 3 9 1698 chapter 17 section 3
[02:10:37.800 --> 02:10:50.280]  DC code 1961 addition section 28- 410 what the heck is that 2 3 and 4 and a
[02:10:50.280 --> 02:11:02.040]  NNE 1704 chapter 9 section 7 8 DC code 1961 addition section 28 9 20 I've
[02:11:02.040 --> 02:11:08.240]  never heard of these are these treaties this act shall become effective on
[02:11:08.240 --> 02:11:13.040]  January the 1st 1965 laws enacted after the approval of this act that are
[02:11:13.040 --> 02:11:22.440]  inconsistent with this act superseded to the extent of inconsistency did that
[02:11:22.440 --> 02:11:27.760]  make sense to you this act shall become effective January 1st 65 laws enacted
[02:11:27.760 --> 02:11:35.080]  after the approval of this act okay superseded okay that makes sense joint
[02:11:35.080 --> 02:11:41.160]  resolution public law 88 244 to provide for participation by the government of
[02:11:41.160 --> 02:11:43.880]  the United States in the head conference and private international law and
[02:11:43.880 --> 02:11:48.440]  international Rome Institute for the unification of private law authorized
[02:11:48.440 --> 02:11:53.600]  appropriations thereof resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of
[02:11:53.600 --> 02:11:57.080]  the United States of America and Congress assembled that the president is
[02:11:57.080 --> 02:12:00.200]  hereby authorized to accept membership for the government of the United States
[02:12:00.200 --> 02:12:04.760]  in the Hague conference on private international law the International Rome
[02:12:04.760 --> 02:12:08.200]  Institute for the unification of private law and to appoint the United States
[02:12:08.200 --> 02:12:12.880]  delegates and their alternates to meetings of the two organizations in the
[02:12:12.880 --> 02:12:20.520]  committees and organs thereof to there is authorized to be appropriated such
[02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:25.560]  sums as may be necessary not to exceed 25,000 annually for the payment of the
[02:12:25.560 --> 02:12:30.400]  United States one it's proportionate share of the expenses of the Hague
[02:12:30.400 --> 02:12:33.840]  conference on private international law and the International Rome Institute
[02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:38.680]  unification private law and to all other necessary expenses incident to
[02:12:38.680 --> 02:12:42.080]  participation of the United States in the activities of two organizations
[02:12:42.080 --> 02:12:54.240]  that's it so what's the big deal about this that there's a conference to come
[02:12:54.240 --> 02:13:01.640]  up with a unified law and private international law is really nothing more
[02:13:01.640 --> 02:13:06.480]  than conflict of laws which addresses questions of which legal jurisdiction a
[02:13:06.480 --> 02:13:10.600]  case can be heard in and the law concerning that jurisdiction right this
[02:13:10.600 --> 02:13:19.240]  establishes no law it merely establishes a membership in a group to put together
[02:13:19.240 --> 02:13:27.640]  a proposal for a model law right now what I have what I have determined from
[02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:33.840]  my research concerning the UCC I these UCC forms it really is kind of an
[02:13:33.840 --> 02:13:40.200]  international thing there's a website I ACA org the International Association of
[02:13:40.200 --> 02:13:45.600]  commercial administrators apparently they're the ones who have handed down
[02:13:45.600 --> 02:13:53.520]  the specific forms for the UCC it's an international entity not not federal so
[02:13:53.520 --> 02:14:00.160]  it's a form that other jurisdiction yes yes yes and they they have some kind of
[02:14:00.160 --> 02:14:04.480]  a database and they submit annual reports or they basically write annual
[02:14:04.480 --> 02:14:10.360]  reports from their jurors from the jurisdictions that are members and they
[02:14:10.360 --> 02:14:16.720]  have a directory of member and non-member jurisdictions and such well
[02:14:16.720 --> 02:14:21.200]  if my question goes back to this someone knocks on my door and and it's a
[02:14:21.200 --> 02:14:25.080]  military officer is you know it's someone saying hey you got to go to a
[02:14:25.080 --> 02:14:33.400]  female cat pal there's making me you know being my political status does that
[02:14:33.400 --> 02:14:38.360]  does that give me you know and and that's just an extreme example but
[02:14:38.360 --> 02:14:43.560]  someone shows up and you know the as they enact as they continue to to
[02:14:43.560 --> 02:14:49.200]  implement this agenda 21 locally because I like I said I don't have any financial
[02:14:49.200 --> 02:14:54.680]  problems I'm not in I'm not in I don't have any debt or any of these issues a
[02:14:54.680 --> 02:14:58.760]  lot of these you know a lot of this controversy that these that people are
[02:14:58.760 --> 02:15:05.800]  engaged in what my concern is does does becoming a secure party American grant
[02:15:05.800 --> 02:15:12.640]  me any any rights that that I wouldn't have otherwise well now that's kind of a
[02:15:12.640 --> 02:15:17.680]  you have to pardon the expression that's an oxymoron type question none of this
[02:15:17.680 --> 02:15:22.200]  grants you any rights the rights you have are inherent rights you're born
[02:15:22.200 --> 02:15:27.880]  with them anything else is something that's a privilege that's been granted
[02:15:27.880 --> 02:15:35.400]  to you but your rights were built into you at birth and those rights as Michael
[02:15:35.400 --> 02:15:40.200]  Badner would put it is if you want to talk about your political affiliation if
[02:15:40.200 --> 02:15:44.640]  your political affiliation wants to go to a FEMA camp by all means go with the
[02:15:44.640 --> 02:15:51.120]  guy but if your sovereign rights wish to say not only no but hell no you're not
[02:15:51.120 --> 02:15:55.680]  going to go with the guy here regardless of your political affiliation yeah I
[02:15:55.680 --> 02:15:59.760]  mean if it gets to the point that you know we've got soldiers whether they're
[02:15:59.760 --> 02:16:04.200]  foreigner or local or whatever that are coming to our houses and kicking in the
[02:16:04.200 --> 02:16:08.760]  doors and shoving guns in our faces and or and with needles and stuff you're
[02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:11.760]  going to take this vaccination and you're going to go to the camp I mean at
[02:16:11.760 --> 02:16:15.320]  that point ain't going to matter what paperwork you filed or what you you know
[02:16:15.320 --> 02:16:18.640]  you're straw man or anything I mean you're either going to go or you're
[02:16:18.640 --> 02:16:24.840]  going to defend yourself physically I'm using that as an extremely simple but
[02:16:24.840 --> 02:16:30.680]  all of the incremental steps towards that that that that goal that they're
[02:16:30.680 --> 02:16:36.380]  trying to implement on a daily basis how there's so basically we can't you know
[02:16:36.380 --> 02:16:42.360]  we can't use our political status to slow this process down oh I think we can
[02:16:42.360 --> 02:16:46.800]  I think everything we're doing is making a difference and that it's going to keep
[02:16:46.800 --> 02:16:53.280]  us from from getting to that point I really do believe that yeah what you're
[02:16:53.280 --> 02:16:58.760]  describing is going to only gain momentum if there's no resistance if
[02:16:58.760 --> 02:17:04.520]  everybody just says oh I do okay go take me wherever I got to go then it's going
[02:17:04.520 --> 02:17:09.200]  to take us over quicker than you can imagine but the more resistance there is
[02:17:09.200 --> 02:17:16.760]  to that and the more public that resistance becomes the less likely that
[02:17:16.760 --> 02:17:20.760]  type of erosion of our liberties is likely to occur we just defeated the
[02:17:20.760 --> 02:17:26.400]  trans-texas corridor here in Texas and we also saw he just he just revived that
[02:17:26.400 --> 02:17:30.080]  Debra he lied they changed the name on it but it's still alive and kicking oh
[02:17:30.080 --> 02:17:36.480]  boy but I but they but there was a bill that died in committee right oh yeah but
[02:17:36.480 --> 02:17:39.920]  that doesn't matter because that's no longer what they call that project it's
[02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:43.400]  no longer trans-texas corridor he changed the name of it and it's still
[02:17:43.400 --> 02:17:48.080]  going full steam or at least they're trying to get it to but the point is is
[02:17:48.080 --> 02:17:52.080]  the public outcry against it in that form took place and it had to change
[02:17:52.080 --> 02:17:58.400]  there was resistance now we take the new form it's got and we continue the
[02:17:58.400 --> 02:18:05.160]  resistance if the resistance keeps in place then their ability to as they
[02:18:05.160 --> 02:18:10.600]  would say in the Star Trek world assimilate us becomes much more
[02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:21.920]  difficult we did defeat the bill well we did I know that we did defeat the check
[02:18:21.920 --> 02:18:27.420]  points here in Texas yes we did stop that they want to rename it and call
[02:18:27.420 --> 02:18:30.440]  that something else exactly try to pressure a new group that they've
[02:18:30.440 --> 02:18:34.600]  trained to accept it exactly see the biggest problem is is that they've
[02:18:34.600 --> 02:18:40.160]  gotten into the lowest levels of our society at the base which is teaching
[02:18:40.160 --> 02:18:45.160]  the children the children are being taught in school that obeying obeying
[02:18:45.160 --> 02:18:50.540]  everything the government says is mandatory when that's exactly the
[02:18:50.540 --> 02:18:55.920]  opposite of what this country's built on we were built to question authority we
[02:18:55.920 --> 02:19:01.120]  were built to ask where did you get that authority but our kids are not being
[02:19:01.120 --> 02:19:06.200]  taught this and we in fact help reinforce that by going do as I say
[02:19:06.200 --> 02:19:12.800]  because I said it don't question me about it when in fact we as adults to
[02:19:12.800 --> 02:19:17.760]  some degree should be encouraging our kids to question certain types of
[02:19:17.760 --> 02:19:23.920]  authority and for certain types of reasons but we don't but isn't my
[02:19:23.920 --> 02:19:28.680]  question they've gotten in they've taken over and we've let it happen well my
[02:19:28.680 --> 02:19:32.920]  question to Randy and Eddie because you guys and Deborah it's all three of you
[02:19:32.920 --> 02:19:37.840]  because I've been listening to the debate for four hours my question is
[02:19:37.840 --> 02:19:42.240]  because I'm the layman out here I'm trying to understand this my question is
[02:19:42.240 --> 02:19:47.840]  is in between the extreme and when we're out now where we're at now being a
[02:19:47.840 --> 02:19:51.800]  secured party American doesn't know if someone comes and violates my rights I
[02:19:51.800 --> 02:19:59.100]  just need to go through due process and and and and and an expert expedite my
[02:19:59.100 --> 02:20:04.140]  rights through this Avenue the maritime will never and does not apply in any
[02:20:04.140 --> 02:20:11.520]  case and to do so I'm setting up I'm setting up more problems yeah but Michael
[02:20:11.520 --> 02:20:17.400]  you we have to distinguish the difference between maritime and Admiralty
[02:20:17.400 --> 02:20:22.720]  stuff and commercial okay because the setting yourself up as a secured party
[02:20:22.720 --> 02:20:28.320]  your natural man with the straw man as the debtor that has nothing to do with
[02:20:28.320 --> 02:20:34.640]  Admiralty whatsoever that is commercial it's the UCC one is a is a financial
[02:20:34.640 --> 02:20:39.800]  statement it has absolutely nothing to do with Admiralty law at all okay what
[02:20:39.800 --> 02:20:43.520]  they what these people are doing is they're they're doing all this stuff in
[02:20:43.520 --> 02:20:47.880]  the commercial realm and in addition to that they're trying to invoke Admiralty
[02:20:47.880 --> 02:20:52.200]  and maritime so that they can have additional leverage to put their liens
[02:20:52.200 --> 02:20:58.920]  in line ahead of other key of other liens and stuff like that and Michael
[02:20:58.920 --> 02:21:03.600]  you there yeah I'm here but my question is I'm going I'm filling out my documents
[02:21:03.600 --> 02:21:09.000]  of commercial redemption from Tim Turner and it's some of the documents are in
[02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:14.400]  Admiralty yes I know yeah I realize that and I haven't gotten that far yet you
[02:21:14.400 --> 02:21:17.680]  know so when I go through this I don't know if I'm necessarily going to involve
[02:21:17.680 --> 02:21:22.120]  myself with the Admiralty thing unless I can see some proof that that I really
[02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:25.320]  have a legitimate claim to that jurisdiction or whatever but the point
[02:21:25.320 --> 02:21:28.960]  that I'm trying to make is setting yourself up as a secured party and the
[02:21:28.960 --> 02:21:34.600]  straw man as the debtor you can have a you can basically implement a lot of
[02:21:34.600 --> 02:21:40.960]  results and if they come after you in certain realms criminally or whatever
[02:21:40.960 --> 02:21:48.200]  and they're coming after your straw man then you have a buffer there because
[02:21:48.200 --> 02:21:53.600]  that you can show that it's not you okay and that's why Michael like the Michael
[02:21:53.600 --> 02:21:58.840]  Bidder thing with the abatement documents are so powerful because it's
[02:21:58.840 --> 02:22:03.160]  like this isn't me you want to take me to court whether it's criminal or civil
[02:22:03.160 --> 02:22:07.800]  then you take me to court you're you're you're taking some other entity to court
[02:22:07.800 --> 02:22:12.800]  okay so you there are some very valid remedies in that arena I'm just not
[02:22:12.800 --> 02:22:19.040]  necessarily sure that the Admiralty is a valid arena yeah I just have a lot to
[02:22:19.040 --> 02:22:22.880]  learn I have a lot to learn and I've been learning a lot listening to you
[02:22:22.880 --> 02:22:27.400]  guys and you guys really are rock stars you guys are I'm telling you guys are
[02:22:27.400 --> 02:22:34.440]  way off the hook I mean it's been I work on the Obama campaign when he was
[02:22:34.440 --> 02:22:38.000]  coming through Texas and I went to inauguration and I got back to the
[02:22:38.000 --> 02:22:42.080]  inauguration my roommate showed me zeitgeist and everything started
[02:22:42.080 --> 02:22:45.920]  clicking and I was started listening more Alex Jones and he went after he
[02:22:45.920 --> 02:22:49.480]  wasn't on then started listening more rule of law and then got into your mix
[02:22:49.480 --> 02:22:53.400]  and I really been getting a sense of empowerment because I love Alex but he
[02:22:53.400 --> 02:22:57.520]  just makes me want to you know he makes me want to blow someone's head off for
[02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:02.640]  my dream you guys when you say you worked on the Obama campaign it was the
[02:23:02.640 --> 02:23:11.680]  campaign to impeach and hang right come on you can't know any better back then
[02:23:11.680 --> 02:23:16.000]  but I'm telling you guys are really you guys really you guys doing really great
[02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:19.240]  work I'm going to get off the phone here in just a second but you guys keep it up
[02:23:19.240 --> 02:23:24.320]  but there's a debate going on between the three of you and this is I'm not I'm
[02:23:24.320 --> 02:23:29.040]  the I think the jury's still out and but you know Randy seems to always pull me
[02:23:29.040 --> 02:23:33.160]  back when Randy Randy seems to have a good basis well I agree I agree with
[02:23:33.160 --> 02:23:37.200]  Randy's concerning the Admiralty thing because I have not been able to see
[02:23:37.200 --> 02:23:45.160]  anything that really is strong firm legal ground that would empower us to
[02:23:45.160 --> 02:23:48.640]  invoke this Admiralty jurisdiction unless you're really dealing with
[02:23:48.640 --> 02:23:53.120]  something a situation that's occurring over navigable water you know but but
[02:23:53.120 --> 02:23:57.520]  that has nothing to do with hold on well Michael there's a lot of background
[02:23:57.520 --> 02:24:04.880]  noise over there okay okay that really has nothing to do with the commercial
[02:24:04.880 --> 02:24:10.880]  liens and the UCC one process and all that stuff because really 90% of our law
[02:24:10.880 --> 02:24:17.480]  is written to apply to commercial entities okay Eddie and I went over it
[02:24:17.480 --> 02:24:22.720]  we've we've gone over everything and the only laws that you apply to the natural
[02:24:22.720 --> 02:24:27.760]  man are based in common law like murder or whatever and so it really does serve
[02:24:27.760 --> 02:24:32.000]  you to file your UCC documents and separate yourself from the strawman and
[02:24:32.000 --> 02:24:36.520]  do the whole secured party thing so that you are not leaving yourself vulnerable
[02:24:36.520 --> 02:24:43.840]  to be to be you know just out there basically vulnerable to all these other
[02:24:43.840 --> 02:24:48.920]  laws that are really written to only apply to commercial entities yeah now
[02:24:48.920 --> 02:24:52.680]  the discussion that Deborah's referring to that she and I had actually was two
[02:24:52.680 --> 02:24:58.280]  different discussions on two separate nights and they went till we well into
[02:24:58.280 --> 02:25:02.960]  the wee hours trying to get the mind wrapped around this Randy and I have not
[02:25:02.960 --> 02:25:07.040]  had the opportunity to have that discussion yet so that's why we're
[02:25:07.040 --> 02:25:10.880]  getting an opportunity to have it tonight and try to bring Randy at the
[02:25:10.880 --> 02:25:16.480]  speed of what we discussed but if you really care to study the Texas statutes
[02:25:16.480 --> 02:25:22.760]  at least because of all the references it's very easy to see that everything
[02:25:22.760 --> 02:25:28.320]  here was written to apply to a commercial entity yes to the people of
[02:25:28.320 --> 02:25:32.720]  Texas but to the commercial entities that we delegated the authority for the
[02:25:32.720 --> 02:25:39.560]  legislature to govern and so for us that that makes it easy because we really do
[02:25:39.560 --> 02:25:43.720]  have the best statutory system I've seen yeah and that's easier to research the
[02:25:43.720 --> 02:25:50.160]  easiest to read and reference and that's why it really will serve you to do your
[02:25:50.160 --> 02:25:55.200]  ucc1 documents and set up your natural man as a secured party and the straw
[02:25:55.200 --> 02:26:00.120]  man is the debtor because that's how they get to people that's that's how they
[02:26:00.120 --> 02:26:05.880]  get to you as a human being as a natural man even though all the statutes are
[02:26:05.880 --> 02:26:09.600]  written to come to apply to commercial entities that's how they get to you if
[02:26:09.600 --> 02:26:16.720]  you don't recognize that and make that stand that's how they get to you well
[02:26:16.720 --> 02:26:20.520]  the last last thought I wanted to leave you guys so I need to get off the phone the last thought I
[02:26:20.520 --> 02:26:24.040]  wanted to leave with you guys is that when I'm activating my ucc contract
[02:26:24.040 --> 02:26:29.320]  trust account and and I'm and I'm I'm following with the Treasury Department
[02:26:29.320 --> 02:26:38.160]  I'm gaining power and I'm gaining commercial commercial density and so my
[02:26:38.160 --> 02:26:43.440]  question I'm just throwing out there for you guys to discuss later is does that
[02:26:43.440 --> 02:26:50.720]  does that commercial power does that does that give me does that give me
[02:26:50.720 --> 02:26:59.680]  unilateral position to just just you know work the due process and follow the
[02:26:59.680 --> 02:27:07.520]  rules but I believe that this process is is is valid and and but like I said you
[02:27:07.520 --> 02:27:11.960]  guys doing a really great job I'm learning a lot I love to listen and I
[02:27:11.960 --> 02:27:18.720]  look forward to tuning in again and and I'm looking forward to the debate of
[02:27:18.720 --> 02:27:23.160]  all you guys have a good night let's say you know on the corporate media they
[02:27:23.160 --> 02:27:28.480]  say let's say a prayer for our troops but we support our our officers our
[02:27:28.480 --> 02:27:32.000]  intelligence officers and if you plan deaths and services we know you're out
[02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:38.880]  there we want you to come home God bless good night all right thanks Michael any
[02:27:38.880 --> 02:27:49.920]  comments Eddie Eddie he might have fell asleep I don't know no I'm just waiting
[02:27:49.920 --> 02:27:57.200]  for the sound of Randy's forehead to go and we still have Christian on the line
[02:27:57.200 --> 02:28:02.280]  Christian any comments well yeah what he said at the end there really comes down
[02:28:02.280 --> 02:28:06.800]  to enforcement you could do all this setup work and setting up the UCC for
[02:28:06.800 --> 02:28:11.920]  all these beautiful things that will protect you but the protection comes in
[02:28:11.920 --> 02:28:15.840]  the enforcement can you enforce what documents that you really have and it's
[02:28:15.840 --> 02:28:21.280]  all it's really based on an accounting I'm really doing these UCC's I'm not
[02:28:21.280 --> 02:28:26.240]  creating any dishonors on my end but when these entities fall into dishonor I
[02:28:26.240 --> 02:28:32.680]  can attach a true bill to them bill them for the amounts and then liquidate them
[02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:38.040]  this is the part I want to come up to speed on now Christian you don't
[02:28:38.040 --> 02:28:42.080]  necessarily have to deal with Admiralty law to do that right no I don't know
[02:28:42.080 --> 02:28:47.040]  yes that's what I thought Thomas commercial that's what I thought yeah now
[02:28:47.040 --> 02:28:51.200]  but here's just one thing to keep in mind in all of this there is the
[02:28:51.200 --> 02:28:55.280]  presumption on our part that the government we created will do the job
[02:28:55.280 --> 02:29:00.640]  that we gave them now we can write all the paperwork we want to we can do it
[02:29:00.640 --> 02:29:05.480]  all according to all the rules in the world but until we hold their feet to
[02:29:05.480 --> 02:29:09.880]  the fire to enforce it the way it's supposed to be done it's not going to
[02:29:09.880 --> 02:29:14.240]  mean anything in the end if they declared martial law tomorrow do you
[02:29:14.240 --> 02:29:18.320]  think this UCC documents going to keep it from coming to your door or moving
[02:29:18.320 --> 02:29:23.880]  you to that camp no it's not if they want it they will throw the rest of the
[02:29:23.880 --> 02:29:29.080]  rule books out the window and then what do we do this is what I'm talking about
[02:29:29.080 --> 02:29:33.880]  about where you need to understand what your rights are what they've always been
[02:29:33.880 --> 02:29:37.440]  and then there's going to be choices that are going to have to be made if we
[02:29:37.440 --> 02:29:46.360]  allow them to get to that point I agree well yeah I mean that's why we're doing
[02:29:46.360 --> 02:29:50.280]  everything we can to try to prevent it to get to that point right now we need
[02:29:50.280 --> 02:29:53.760]  more people to wake up and start participating and no matter whatever
[02:29:53.760 --> 02:29:56.960]  realm they're in whether it's statutes and codes whether it's commercial
[02:29:56.960 --> 02:30:00.680]  whether it's admiralty we need more people involved well apparently there's
[02:30:00.680 --> 02:30:05.800]  enough judges out there and other public servants who are doing the right thing
[02:30:05.800 --> 02:30:13.160]  because these lanes are working and the judges are not removing them and the bad
[02:30:13.160 --> 02:30:18.080]  guys are having a really hard time that's great I think right now the reason
[02:30:18.080 --> 02:30:21.560]  they're not removing them is because they don't know just how much support
[02:30:21.560 --> 02:30:25.280]  they have in any given direction at the moment they're running around just as
[02:30:25.280 --> 02:30:30.680]  mixed up as we are in some cases but if they ever unify and make the
[02:30:30.680 --> 02:30:35.560]  determination that no judicial body is going to uphold any of these lanes or
[02:30:35.560 --> 02:30:40.720]  any of these UCC documents then they're worthless well see the thing is Eddie
[02:30:40.720 --> 02:30:46.440]  and and it's something I want us to consider because Randy talks about this
[02:30:46.440 --> 02:30:52.360]  son you you get them painted into a corner concerning their own laws and
[02:30:52.360 --> 02:31:00.480]  their own code and it ends up so that if they start overturning valid liens that
[02:31:00.480 --> 02:31:07.400]  have valid claims then they upset the rules of their own game and so how are
[02:31:07.400 --> 02:31:12.240]  they how do they how they're not going to be able to play the game themselves
[02:31:12.240 --> 02:31:19.200]  and have their liens enforced if they're overturning ours why would they need a
[02:31:19.200 --> 02:31:23.680]  lien enforced if they thrown the rule books out the window they're now
[02:31:23.680 --> 02:31:28.000]  standing on the level with all the guys with all the guns and they can take what
[02:31:28.000 --> 02:31:32.920]  they won't lean or no lane well that's where it's getting are always competing
[02:31:32.920 --> 02:31:40.040]  factions you're right and hopefully will be the biggest one but the fact is that
[02:31:40.040 --> 02:31:46.040]  until we get more people in this we're a small number compared to what's out
[02:31:46.040 --> 02:31:53.320]  there coming at us and and because of that we're at the greatest disadvantage
[02:31:53.320 --> 02:31:57.320]  which is why we need to get more people listening we need to get more people
[02:31:57.320 --> 02:32:02.120]  understanding more people questioning you know I mean in every way we can think
[02:32:02.120 --> 02:32:06.120]  of we need to get people involved in this and we need to do it in such a way
[02:32:06.120 --> 02:32:09.200]  where they don't feel like they're getting led down a road full of nonsense
[02:32:09.200 --> 02:32:13.880]  or stuff that doesn't make sense we've got to and that's where I understand
[02:32:13.880 --> 02:32:18.280]  Randy's biggest problem of don't get me there by conjecture yeah me too me the
[02:32:18.280 --> 02:32:23.640]  right steps so that it stands on its own me I can agree with that I have no
[02:32:23.640 --> 02:32:27.840]  problem with that me too we just have to be able to present it to other people in
[02:32:27.840 --> 02:32:31.880]  such a way that they can get those steps and it makes sense and we have to get
[02:32:31.880 --> 02:32:39.440]  more of them quickly because our time is getting smaller all the time well it is
[02:32:39.440 --> 02:32:44.880]  but the Giants beginning to stir well fortunately we're getting more
[02:32:44.880 --> 02:32:52.400]  affiliates in the radio world by the day and I need help right now with promote
[02:32:52.400 --> 02:32:56.560]  with the promotion and marketing and advertising sector of the network
[02:32:56.560 --> 02:33:00.640]  because you know it's all I can do to hold down the technical end and train
[02:33:00.640 --> 02:33:06.200]  put new producers and and you know the programming and add the bump change out
[02:33:06.200 --> 02:33:11.000]  bumpers and breaks for the for the hosts and and put in the ads and all these
[02:33:11.000 --> 02:33:15.680]  kinds of things you know it's all I can do to keep on top of that part I need
[02:33:15.680 --> 02:33:19.520]  help when it comes to the promotion and the advertising and the marketing so we
[02:33:19.520 --> 02:33:24.120]  can increase our streams and stuff like that and Randy you know he's he's dealing
[02:33:24.120 --> 02:33:27.600]  with all the legal end and so you know anybody that wants to step up to the
[02:33:27.600 --> 02:33:32.440]  plate on that aspect would be much appreciated so that we can continue to
[02:33:32.440 --> 02:33:36.440]  get the message out to more and more people I'm glad I'm very thankful for
[02:33:36.440 --> 02:33:40.600]  our affiliates you know the AM and FM stations because you know there's a lot
[02:33:40.600 --> 02:33:46.600]  of people out there that hear us on the airwaves I think I think there's an
[02:33:46.600 --> 02:33:50.160]  increase I mean I can see it working because you know we've got callers that
[02:33:50.160 --> 02:33:53.880]  continue to call in over the months and and they're continuing to improve and
[02:33:53.880 --> 02:33:58.960]  such and we're getting more and more first-time callers that's always a
[02:33:58.960 --> 02:34:07.680]  wonderful wonderful news okay I got a crush I'm near death okay Randy very
[02:34:07.680 --> 02:34:11.760]  good and thank you Christian for hanging in there with us well thank you a lot I
[02:34:11.760 --> 02:34:16.280]  appreciate it and you guys are doing a great job so hang in there all right and
[02:34:16.280 --> 02:34:20.520]  Christian if you would send me some of the documentation of well you know the
[02:34:20.520 --> 02:34:25.560]  court cases and the code you were citing tonight okay sure yes I would like you
[02:34:25.560 --> 02:34:31.440]  to come on more and help bring me up to speed so that I understand the
[02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:37.720]  commercial I look at it and I see a tremendous potential where I have a
[02:34:37.720 --> 02:34:46.760]  judge here and he's sitting ruling over the statutory and I come before him and
[02:34:46.760 --> 02:34:51.200]  I understand enough that I don't ask him to do things I demand that he does
[02:34:51.200 --> 02:34:58.160]  things but I'm looking at the commercial as a way of going after him that's
[02:34:58.160 --> 02:35:06.400]  outside of his jurisdiction absolutely brings us up man-to-man even up where I
[02:35:06.400 --> 02:35:11.480]  can kick his behind and he can't use his authority to defend against me and he
[02:35:11.480 --> 02:35:17.200]  becomes vulnerable and issue a bond against him and if he didn't do he was
[02:35:17.200 --> 02:35:22.320]  supposed to then you know I would liquidate that bond okay that's what I
[02:35:22.320 --> 02:35:27.760]  want to I want to thoroughly understand that without a bunch of oh you can do
[02:35:27.760 --> 02:35:34.240]  this is and you can do that I need to be able to legally support what I'm doing
[02:35:34.240 --> 02:35:41.120]  if I can find the keys I can do the research but most of the time when I
[02:35:41.120 --> 02:35:45.920]  talk to people about this it's like that guy that was on earlier tonight who kept
[02:35:45.920 --> 02:35:50.080]  jumping from one thing to another to another to another you know that's kind
[02:35:50.080 --> 02:35:56.240]  of a standard legal reform ploy when you ask somebody a hard question they
[02:35:56.240 --> 02:35:59.920]  change the subject well I think that he was trying to present a picture where
[02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:04.200]  where there were different issues and topics that tied together to put his
[02:36:04.200 --> 02:36:07.400]  point I don't think he was necessary trying to change the subject the problem
[02:36:07.400 --> 02:36:12.040]  with that is is you wind up running around in circles and you don't get
[02:36:12.040 --> 02:36:20.040]  anything resolved I need very finely tuned law I don't need all of it just
[02:36:20.040 --> 02:36:26.400]  enough pieces that I can begin to connect the dots with I listen to Michael
[02:36:26.400 --> 02:36:36.440]  Edwards all right I'm sorry not Michael Edwards Joe Edwards you know I've got
[02:36:36.440 --> 02:36:43.080]  one online but okay somebody was supposed to be getting me one yeah check
[02:36:43.080 --> 02:36:47.660]  out the eighth edition of Black's law look up these two definitions legal
[02:36:47.660 --> 02:37:01.000]  fiction and privity of privity of estate all right excellent I think I know what
[02:37:01.000 --> 02:37:09.520]  privity of estate is yeah let me let me see how they define legal fiction let
[02:37:09.520 --> 02:37:13.960]  me look up privity of estate or might be privity of trust let me just fiction
[02:37:13.960 --> 02:37:26.920]  that created by statute and that's what the straw man is right correct well I
[02:37:26.920 --> 02:37:31.240]  don't know because on the used to see one filings you put legal entity not
[02:37:31.240 --> 02:37:36.160]  legal fiction excuse me look up under privity look up under privity privity of
[02:37:36.160 --> 02:37:43.160]  contract and then tie in privity of contract with legal fiction but read
[02:37:43.160 --> 02:37:48.040]  little legal fiction first the definition in Black's law 8th edition and
[02:37:48.040 --> 02:37:58.480]  then go to privity of contract and think of those two being put together or I
[02:37:58.480 --> 02:38:07.920]  have legal interest in the entity created by law and we do because the
[02:38:07.920 --> 02:38:14.200]  straw man is the debtor to us as a secured party oh before I go to sleep
[02:38:14.200 --> 02:38:19.840]  sitting out there on the table in front of your door is that power supply it
[02:38:19.840 --> 02:38:23.760]  turns out that plug on it will take a regular 110 plug right in it so it's
[02:38:23.760 --> 02:38:33.600]  ready to go thank you that one I think will take care of our power spiking
[02:38:33.600 --> 02:38:44.360]  problems well thank you that cost me ten bucks all right well thank you Christian
[02:38:44.360 --> 02:38:48.560]  all right you're welcome I plug my show one more time plug your show go ahead
[02:38:48.560 --> 02:38:53.600]  okay the the show's title is money banking and trust by moving titles in
[02:38:53.600 --> 02:38:59.520]  commerce and the the phone in number is seven one two four three two eight seven
[02:38:59.520 --> 02:39:05.920]  seven three and the access number is one seven nine four four one pound and it's
[02:39:05.920 --> 02:39:12.440]  it's 7 p.m. Eastern time to about 9 930 sometimes we go over to every Saturday
[02:39:12.440 --> 02:39:20.840]  thanks a lot guys all right wonderful excellent okay all right that will that
[02:39:20.840 --> 02:39:27.760]  that concludes our show here overtime mode on the rule of law we've got Eddie
[02:39:27.760 --> 02:39:36.280]  Craig Debra Stevens and Randy Kelton and we will be back on Monday evening and
[02:39:36.280 --> 02:39:42.920]  here's one of my favorite songs by Jacob Miller job will never give power to a
[02:39:42.920 --> 02:39:54.320]  baldhead man ie a baldhead man that is that is the evil ones we'll be right
[02:39:54.320 --> 02:39:57.960]  back Monday night
[02:40:24.320 --> 02:40:27.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:40:27.080 --> 02:40:30.080]  there are just one of a kind
[02:40:30.080 --> 02:40:33.080]  only one thing on their mind
[02:40:33.080 --> 02:40:35.080]  it's a fight again
[02:40:35.080 --> 02:40:37.080]  not the good luck
[02:40:37.080 --> 02:40:39.080]  not the good luck
[02:40:39.080 --> 02:40:43.080]  standing firm
[02:40:43.080 --> 02:40:46.080]  in Bobby Love
[02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:49.080]  only channel
[02:40:49.080 --> 02:40:51.080]  not the good luck
[02:40:51.080 --> 02:40:55.080]  not the good luck
[02:40:55.080 --> 02:40:58.080]  standing firm
[02:40:58.080 --> 02:41:01.080]  in Bobby Love
[02:41:01.080 --> 02:41:04.080]  only channel
[02:41:04.080 --> 02:41:07.080]  despite all of us is now
[02:41:07.080 --> 02:41:10.080]  despite all of us is now
[02:41:10.080 --> 02:41:13.080]  getting ready to step forward
[02:41:13.080 --> 02:41:16.080]  to die on
[02:41:16.080 --> 02:41:19.080]  to die on
[02:41:19.080 --> 02:41:22.080]  not the good luck
[02:41:22.080 --> 02:41:25.080]  not the good luck
[02:41:25.080 --> 02:41:28.080]  getting ready to step forward
[02:41:28.080 --> 02:41:31.080]  to die on
[02:41:31.080 --> 02:41:34.080]  not the good luck
[02:41:34.080 --> 02:41:37.080]  standing firm
[02:41:37.080 --> 02:41:40.080]  in Bobby Love
[02:41:40.080 --> 02:41:43.080]  only channel
[02:41:43.080 --> 02:41:46.080]  not the good luck
[02:41:46.080 --> 02:41:49.080]  not the good luck
[02:41:49.080 --> 02:41:52.080]  standing firm
[02:41:52.080 --> 02:41:55.080]  in Bobby Love
[02:41:55.080 --> 02:41:58.080]  only channel
[02:41:58.080 --> 02:42:01.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:01.080 --> 02:42:04.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:04.080 --> 02:42:07.080]  standing firm
[02:42:07.080 --> 02:42:10.080]  in Bobby Love
[02:42:10.080 --> 02:42:13.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:13.080 --> 02:42:16.080]  standing firm
[02:42:16.080 --> 02:42:19.080]  standing firm
[02:42:19.080 --> 02:42:22.080]  standing firm
[02:42:22.080 --> 02:42:25.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:42:25.080 --> 02:42:28.080]  there are just one of a kind
[02:42:28.080 --> 02:42:31.080]  only one thing on their mind
[02:42:31.080 --> 02:42:33.080]  it's a fight again
[02:42:33.080 --> 02:42:35.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:35.080 --> 02:42:38.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:42:38.080 --> 02:42:41.080]  there are just one of a kind
[02:42:41.080 --> 02:42:44.080]  only one thing on their mind
[02:42:44.080 --> 02:42:47.080]  it's a fight again
[02:42:47.080 --> 02:42:50.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:50.080 --> 02:42:53.080]  not the good luck
[02:42:53.080 --> 02:42:56.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:42:56.080 --> 02:42:59.080]  there are just one of a kind
[02:42:59.080 --> 02:43:02.080]  only one thing on their mind
[02:43:02.080 --> 02:43:05.080]  it's a fight again
[02:43:05.080 --> 02:43:08.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:43:08.080 --> 02:43:11.080]  only channel
[02:43:11.080 --> 02:43:14.080]  only channel
[02:43:14.080 --> 02:43:17.080]  it's a fight again
[02:43:17.080 --> 02:43:20.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:43:20.080 --> 02:43:23.080]  only channel
[02:43:23.080 --> 02:43:26.080]  only channel
[02:43:26.080 --> 02:43:29.080]  only channel
[02:43:29.080 --> 02:43:32.080]  ballet that's what we saw
[02:43:32.080 --> 02:43:35.080]  only channel
[02:43:35.080 --> 02:43:37.080]  You