[00:00.000 --> 00:10.040]  Major General Curtis Scaparrotti, the incoming general in charge of U.S. troops along the
[00:10.040 --> 00:16.560]  Pakistan-Afghanistan border, vowed Wednesday to be careful in the use of future airstrikes.
[00:16.560 --> 00:22.640]  The Afghan government says 140 civilians died May 4th in a U.S. airstrike.
[00:22.640 --> 00:29.160]  The Organization of American States Thursday agreed to officially reverse its 1962 decision
[00:29.160 --> 00:31.720]  to expel Cuba from the group.
[00:31.720 --> 00:36.680]  The U.S. was reportedly pressing for Cuba to require democratic reforms and improve
[00:36.680 --> 00:40.680]  respect for human rights as a precondition.
[00:40.680 --> 00:47.100]  A new audio tape released by Osama Bin Laden Wednesday blames Barack Obama for the bloodshed
[00:47.100 --> 00:51.200]  and humanitarian disaster in Pakistan's Swat Valley.
[00:51.200 --> 00:56.480]  Bin Laden said the U.S. pressure on Pakistan that led to the Swat Valley offensive had
[00:56.480 --> 01:06.120]  generated new seeds of hatred and revenge against America.
[01:06.120 --> 01:11.400]  German Chancellor Angela Merkel, in a rare public rebuke of central banks, suggested
[01:11.400 --> 01:18.080]  the European Central Bank, ECB, and its counterparts in the U.S. and Britain have gone too far
[01:18.080 --> 01:23.200]  in fighting the financial crisis and may be laying the groundwork for another financial
[01:23.200 --> 01:24.200]  blow-up.
[01:24.200 --> 01:29.560]  Merkel said, quote, we must return together to an independent central bank policy and
[01:29.560 --> 01:35.000]  to a policy of reason, otherwise we will be in exactly the same situation in 10 years
[01:35.000 --> 01:36.000]  time.
[01:36.000 --> 01:41.260]  Merkel also said the ECB bowed to international pressure when it said last month it plans
[01:41.260 --> 01:47.440]  to buy $85 billion in corporate bonds, a move that is modest in comparison to asset buying
[01:47.440 --> 01:51.840]  by the U.S. Federal Reserve and the Bank of England.
[01:51.840 --> 01:58.000]  And in the 16 countries that share the euro, rose to 9.2 percent in April, but is still
[01:58.000 --> 02:08.240]  below the 11.5 percent the European Commission forecasts for 2010.
[02:08.240 --> 02:13.720]  A federal judge Wednesday dismissed lawsuits targeting the nation's telecom companies
[02:13.720 --> 02:18.640]  for their participation in George Bush's once-secret eavesdropping program.
[02:18.640 --> 02:24.640]  In his ruling, U.S. District Judge Vaughan Walker upheld legislation protecting the companies
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[02:31.600 --> 02:38.000]  without warrants if the subject was communicating with somebody overseas suspected of terrorism.
[02:38.000 --> 02:43.520]  Bush claimed the so-called terror surveillance program gave him the authority to spy without
[02:43.520 --> 02:45.760]  court authorization.
[02:45.760 --> 02:50.840]  Walker's decision ends more than three years of litigation accusing the nation's carriers
[02:50.840 --> 02:56.560]  of funneling Americans' electronic communications to the Bush administration without warrants
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[04:38.720 --> 04:43.720]  What are you going to do?
[04:43.720 --> 04:46.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do?
[04:46.720 --> 04:48.720]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[04:48.720 --> 04:51.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do?
[04:51.720 --> 04:54.720]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[04:54.720 --> 04:59.720]  When you were eight and you had bad traits You'd go to school and learn the golden rules
[04:59.720 --> 05:02.720]  So why are you acting like a bloody fool?
[05:02.720 --> 05:05.720]  If you get up, then you must get coot
[05:05.720 --> 05:08.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do?
[05:08.720 --> 05:10.720]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[05:10.720 --> 05:13.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do?
[05:13.720 --> 05:16.720]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[05:16.720 --> 05:19.720]  You took it on that one You took it on this one
[05:19.720 --> 05:21.720]  You took it on your mother And you took it on your father
[05:21.720 --> 05:25.720]  You took it on your brother And you took it on your sister
[05:25.720 --> 05:27.720]  You took it on that one And you took it on me
[05:27.720 --> 05:30.720]  Bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do?
[05:30.720 --> 05:32.720]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[05:32.720 --> 05:53.760]  All right, bad boys, bad boys, what are you going to do when they come for you?
[05:53.760 --> 05:59.440]  We have got for a very special guest tonight Joanna Scott, Executive Director of the Parent
[05:59.440 --> 06:07.280]  Guidance Center and also John Bush, one of our hosts here, Austin Liberty Beat.
[06:07.280 --> 06:09.040]  We're here with Randy Kelton also of course.
[06:09.040 --> 06:14.200]  My name is Deborah Stevens and we are going to be talking some tonight about the Senate
[06:14.200 --> 06:17.200]  Bill 1440.
[06:17.200 --> 06:21.160]  So Joanna, if you could please give us a little background on this and what's happened.
[06:21.160 --> 06:28.920]  Well, to begin with it started out as an innocuous bill that was just talking about giving some
[06:28.920 --> 06:35.840]  judges, associate judges the ability to sign some documents relating to getting some medical
[06:35.840 --> 06:41.880]  records in a child protective services investigation.
[06:41.880 --> 06:47.160]  It was just an easy little two page, it only addressed that, it actually allowed for hearing,
[06:47.160 --> 06:55.200]  it actually had for good cause shown in there and it seemed like they're pretty normal procedures.
[06:55.200 --> 07:01.320]  But what happened was there was a committee substitute at the Senate hearing that added
[07:01.320 --> 07:07.000]  five more pages and had all this terrible stuff against families and now the department
[07:07.000 --> 07:12.720]  would be able to swear out an affidavit before a judge without you even knowing it and be
[07:12.720 --> 07:17.720]  able to get a court order to try to get into your home, get your any and all records, educational,
[07:17.720 --> 07:25.600]  psychological, medical for your child and transport your child for investigation, script
[07:25.600 --> 07:31.840]  search as we know happens, all of this without the parent's consent.
[07:31.840 --> 07:39.440]  So it kind of makes legal what they did in the FLDS case out at the YFC Ranch, kind of
[07:39.440 --> 07:40.440]  what they did there.
[07:40.440 --> 07:44.200]  They're kind of backing up and saying hey we did this and now we're going to show how
[07:44.200 --> 07:47.660]  we can do this but make it more legal.
[07:47.660 --> 07:50.920]  When you assert your 4th Amendment rights, there's going to be a court order there so
[07:50.920 --> 07:54.400]  you may be held in contempt of court when you assert your 4th Amendment rights and don't
[07:54.400 --> 07:55.400]  let them pass the door.
[07:55.400 --> 07:58.160]  So that's the biggest concern to us.
[07:58.160 --> 08:02.160]  Will you explain the SBLS case that you referenced?
[08:02.160 --> 08:03.160]  The FLDS case?
[08:03.160 --> 08:04.160]  Oh, okay.
[08:04.160 --> 08:05.160]  Yes.
[08:05.160 --> 08:09.920]  That's the case out in El Dorado where they took the more than 400 kids away from their
[08:09.920 --> 08:10.920]  parents.
[08:10.920 --> 08:11.920]  Oh, okay.
[08:11.920 --> 08:19.920]  This is kind of cleaning up or almost negating what the courts had said about what happened
[08:19.920 --> 08:25.640]  there, how the investigation was done wrong and they shouldn't have taken the kids.
[08:25.640 --> 08:29.120]  So they're trying to make it okay for this to happen in the future?
[08:29.120 --> 08:30.120]  Yes.
[08:30.120 --> 08:37.360]  They're trying to make a, they call it a clear that investigation process can take place
[08:37.360 --> 08:38.360]  with this court order.
[08:38.360 --> 08:39.360]  That's what they claimed.
[08:39.360 --> 08:45.480]  That's what, when you listen to the testimony at the hearings, you see that they're trying
[08:45.480 --> 08:47.240]  to take it from that angle.
[08:47.240 --> 08:53.520]  But in reality, when you read the language in the bill, it's just obliterating the 4th
[08:53.520 --> 08:54.520]  Amendment rights of families.
[08:54.520 --> 08:58.880]  It's obliterating any sort of protections that were left.
[08:58.880 --> 09:04.320]  They explicitly scratched through for good cause shown.
[09:04.320 --> 09:09.000]  Any, this document, this affidavit saying that they need to get into that home to aid
[09:09.000 --> 09:13.000]  their investigation doesn't have to have any reason other than we need to get into your
[09:13.000 --> 09:14.640]  house to investigate.
[09:14.640 --> 09:15.640]  That's all they need.
[09:15.640 --> 09:20.920]  So any of your regular protections against unreasonable search and seizure are just completely
[09:20.920 --> 09:23.680]  stripped with this court order.
[09:23.680 --> 09:28.800]  So you'll have someone, the CPS worker, standing at your door with this court order and families
[09:28.800 --> 09:33.320]  are going to, number one, be afraid because it's a court order and they'll be held in
[09:33.320 --> 09:37.680]  contempt if they don't obey it, or number two, they're going to assert their rights
[09:37.680 --> 09:41.600]  and say, no, that's not a regular warrant.
[09:41.600 --> 09:43.120]  I know the difference.
[09:43.120 --> 09:47.720]  And so then the worker will be able to go back to court if they assert their 4th Amendment
[09:47.720 --> 09:51.200]  rights and hold them in contempt of court.
[09:51.200 --> 09:53.520]  So it's really bad bill.
[09:53.520 --> 09:58.240]  It really, I don't think that they really, did they understand the ramifications of what
[09:58.240 --> 09:59.240]  they were doing?
[09:59.240 --> 10:00.240]  I don't know.
[10:00.240 --> 10:04.120]  I can't suppose motive here, but absolutely this bill will harm families.
[10:04.120 --> 10:05.360]  It will confuse them.
[10:05.360 --> 10:10.800]  It will be holding, it will be taking 4th Amendment rights, or at least it will be threatening
[10:10.800 --> 10:15.840]  people into not asserting their rights because you're damned if you do, damned if you don't
[10:15.840 --> 10:16.840]  in this case.
[10:16.840 --> 10:20.280]  Yeah, it's the same thing that we're seeing with all sorts of different issues.
[10:20.280 --> 10:24.000]  With the police blood withdrawal, for one example, if they show up and it's a refusal
[10:24.000 --> 10:27.720]  weekend, we have to take your blood, then people are more willing to submit because
[10:27.720 --> 10:31.280]  they think that it's coming with an air of legitimacy because it's coming from a law
[10:31.280 --> 10:34.760]  enforcement officer or a representative of the state.
[10:34.760 --> 10:38.640]  This is just a further example of graying the 4th Amendment to where they don't even
[10:38.640 --> 10:40.760]  need to have probable cause.
[10:40.760 --> 10:44.480]  It's so outrageous and we need to be up in arms about this.
[10:44.480 --> 10:47.560]  They purposely strike for good cause.
[10:47.560 --> 10:52.920]  They purposely took that out, probable cause, they eliminated.
[10:52.920 --> 10:54.360]  They took a pin and put a line through it.
[10:54.360 --> 10:59.240]  If you go to the actual bill, you can see it's just there because it used to be in the
[10:59.240 --> 11:02.800]  law and it's just crossed out, no longer apply.
[11:02.800 --> 11:05.640]  We can thank good old Kirk Watson for that one.
[11:05.640 --> 11:07.360]  Yes, don't meet Kirk Watson.
[11:07.360 --> 11:16.160]  The original bill was Kirk Watson's 1440 and this was 1064 amended onto his own 1444 and
[11:16.160 --> 11:21.720]  it was amended on by Patrick Rose and he's the chairman of the Human Services Committee.
[11:21.720 --> 11:26.040]  For once, the court actually ruled in favor of the people, in favor of the Constitution,
[11:26.040 --> 11:32.160]  in favor of the 4th Amendment and the Texas CPS apparently had made some pretty big reforms
[11:32.160 --> 11:36.720]  in fixing their policies and they changed out a lot of their literature and whatnot
[11:36.720 --> 11:38.120]  and their training that they gave.
[11:38.120 --> 11:39.120]  They did.
[11:39.120 --> 11:40.120]  They did.
[11:40.120 --> 11:43.800]  I get these alerts from them and I was actually... I can't say I'm proud of them because
[11:43.800 --> 11:49.000]  I have multiple, multiple cases that come in every day about this, but as that information
[11:49.000 --> 11:55.000]  trickles down and the re-education and re-training, these alerts were coming through saying,
[11:55.000 --> 11:59.720]  in keeping with the court ruling, in keeping with the 4th Amendment, you can't do this.
[11:59.720 --> 12:01.800]  You can't threaten and coerce these parents.
[12:01.800 --> 12:07.600]  You can't tell them that you can do this and the other when you're not allowed to and you
[12:07.600 --> 12:13.240]  can't retaliate against them when they actually assert these rights.
[12:13.240 --> 12:15.600]  There was some really good stuff coming from them.
[12:15.600 --> 12:20.480]  Granted, it hadn't made it down so much to the actual investigator all the time in every
[12:20.480 --> 12:22.960]  county and every CPS office.
[12:22.960 --> 12:29.200]  We know that takes time, but it's just disturbing because CPS was actually, even if not publicly,
[12:29.200 --> 12:33.400]  I'm sure there's lawsuits involved, they can't incriminate themselves that way.
[12:33.400 --> 12:37.800]  If not publicly, they weren't saying this, but their actual updates coming and their
[12:37.800 --> 12:44.240]  policies and procedures were changing for the better and this is going to undo that.
[12:44.240 --> 12:48.400]  We have the opportunity to make a really big hubbub about this in the media especially
[12:48.400 --> 12:50.720]  because it has that kind of a media appeal.
[12:50.720 --> 12:55.080]  This was a national story, what happened with that, FLDS, and now that it's basically the
[12:55.080 --> 13:00.520]  reversal of a court order, we have the opportunity to show up and rally this cause.
[13:00.520 --> 13:01.520]  We're going to put out some press releases.
[13:01.520 --> 13:05.120]  We're going to have a press conference on the Capitol steps here shortly.
[13:05.120 --> 13:08.920]  We also have the opportunity to hold Rick Perry's feet to the fire, use it to our advantage
[13:08.920 --> 13:13.320]  the fact that he's about to be in an election and he's been trying his heart out to appeal
[13:13.320 --> 13:17.200]  to the conservatives in Texas, him showing up at the tea parties and whatnot.
[13:17.200 --> 13:20.840]  We have the opportunity to really call him, hold his feet to the fire, and get him to
[13:20.840 --> 13:25.440]  respond to this and hopefully with enough pressure, he can veto it.
[13:25.440 --> 13:29.920]  Yeah, and they're not going to agree when we say this is negating or this is reversing
[13:29.920 --> 13:30.920]  that court decision.
[13:30.920 --> 13:31.920]  They're not going to agree.
[13:31.920 --> 13:35.340]  What they're going to say, the other side is what they say is that, well, this is making
[13:35.340 --> 13:36.340]  the clear path.
[13:36.340 --> 13:42.760]  This is just shoring up so we make sure we do things legally, but the actual foundation
[13:42.760 --> 13:49.600]  is folks, in these court rulings, they said you violated these Fourth Amendment, the Gary
[13:49.600 --> 13:53.120]  Gates case, you violated the Fourth Amendment.
[13:53.120 --> 13:57.520]  What they're actually saying is, here's our clear path to legally violate your Fourth
[13:57.520 --> 13:58.520]  Amendment.
[13:58.520 --> 13:59.520]  That's what I hear.
[13:59.520 --> 14:06.160]  This is a very powerful touchstone issue.
[14:06.160 --> 14:08.760]  Claire Dawson Brown.
[14:08.760 --> 14:12.580]  In the past, I've had some difficulty with Claire Dawson Brown.
[14:12.580 --> 14:17.240]  She is the assistant district attorney who heads up the grand jury.
[14:17.240 --> 14:24.440]  But if you see Claire Dawson Brown, she looks like someone's mother or grandmother.
[14:24.440 --> 14:32.880]  And I have to agree she is because after I had just really worked her over, I asked her
[14:32.880 --> 14:40.640]  about this case and she was incensed that these people would do that.
[14:40.640 --> 14:42.680]  Now, this was a while back, right, Randy?
[14:42.680 --> 14:43.680]  Yes, yes.
[14:43.680 --> 14:45.280]  This is a prosecuting attorney.
[14:45.280 --> 14:49.680]  This was right after the confiscation of all the kids in that case.
[14:49.680 --> 14:53.440]  This was right after the court ruled against them.
[14:53.440 --> 15:04.480]  And she said the court was dead on to hear a prosecutor argue in favor of a ruling against
[15:04.480 --> 15:06.320]  public officials.
[15:06.320 --> 15:12.000]  And with the level of emotion that she did, I was impressed.
[15:12.000 --> 15:14.960]  This is a real touchstone issue.
[15:14.960 --> 15:20.440]  Anyone who has children is going to be terrified by this bill.
[15:20.440 --> 15:27.320]  Well, actually, anybody that is around children, because the way this bill reads is that if
[15:27.320 --> 15:32.400]  they want access to the child and the child's at grandma's house or aunt and uncle's house
[15:32.400 --> 15:39.640]  or the daycare or the neighbor or the birthday party, they can get access to the person's
[15:39.640 --> 15:46.160]  records or places or transport of the child if it's necessary to aid in their investigation.
[15:46.160 --> 15:51.360]  So you could be babysitting and here's your court order coming saying, hey, we got to
[15:51.360 --> 15:52.360]  get that kid.
[15:52.360 --> 15:54.920]  Don't have to have consent from the parents.
[15:54.920 --> 15:56.160]  That was taken away.
[15:56.160 --> 15:57.240]  Don't have a hearing.
[15:57.240 --> 15:58.880]  Parent may not even know it's occurring.
[15:58.880 --> 16:05.480]  So this doesn't just affect people with kids, it affects people around kids.
[16:05.480 --> 16:09.040]  No more kids allowed at my house.
[16:09.040 --> 16:15.320]  I think this is going to be a very good issue to get Rick Perry's attention.
[16:15.320 --> 16:16.960]  I sure hope so.
[16:16.960 --> 16:22.760]  If he's looking to curry the favor of the conservative, this will absolutely be a way
[16:22.760 --> 16:23.760]  to do this.
[16:23.760 --> 16:25.280]  Well, he'd have to veto it, right?
[16:25.280 --> 16:26.280]  He has to veto it.
[16:26.280 --> 16:27.280]  It has to veto it.
[16:27.280 --> 16:29.280]  And how long does he have to do that?
[16:29.280 --> 16:31.760]  I believe he has until the 21st.
[16:31.760 --> 16:33.960]  Yes, 20 days from the 1st.
[16:33.960 --> 16:37.440]  All right, well, listen, John, Joanna, please hang on the line.
[16:37.440 --> 16:38.560]  We're going to break.
[16:38.560 --> 16:44.960]  We will be right back to talk some more about this very grave and serious issue.
[16:44.960 --> 16:47.640]  This is rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[16:47.640 --> 16:49.560]  We're here with John Bush and Joanna Scott.
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[18:58.960 --> 19:05.480]  All right, tyranny, them a tear you, them a tear me, them a tear up the whole country.
[19:05.480 --> 19:09.480]  Now they're trying to tear up our families as well.
[19:09.480 --> 19:12.640]  We ask the questions and they don't have the answers.
[19:12.640 --> 19:14.600]  Some three shoes posse for you.
[19:14.600 --> 19:19.520]  We're here with Joanna Scott, Executive Director of the Parent Guidance Center.
[19:19.520 --> 19:22.800]  John Bush, of course, Texans for Accountable Government.
[19:22.800 --> 19:28.000]  And Austin Liberty Beat has his show on this network, 6 to 8 p.m. on Wednesdays.
[19:28.000 --> 19:29.360]  That's Central Time.
[19:29.360 --> 19:32.560]  And Joanna, give us like a website or phone number.
[19:32.560 --> 19:34.240]  What can people do to get involved?
[19:34.240 --> 19:38.640]  Well, you can go to my website, parentguidancetor.org.
[19:38.640 --> 19:43.040]  I have a lot of information there and I have the link to the governor's, if you want to
[19:43.040 --> 19:52.080]  do an email opinion or his number, 800-252-9600, that's the opinion line.
[19:52.080 --> 19:56.000]  And anybody, even out of state, people can call and because this is going to affect them.
[19:56.000 --> 19:59.600]  If this flies in Texas, folks, it's coming to a state near you.
[19:59.600 --> 20:00.600]  Exactly.
[20:00.600 --> 20:05.480]  And that's why we've actually alerted national organizations to it because it's a pretty
[20:05.480 --> 20:09.320]  scary thing if it's allowed to fly here.
[20:09.320 --> 20:15.000]  People always follow Texas, California, New York, sometimes Florida, sometimes Illinois.
[20:15.000 --> 20:19.200]  But when it happens in those big states, then the others kind of follow suit.
[20:19.200 --> 20:22.240]  Well, it's definitely emanating from the feds.
[20:22.240 --> 20:28.440]  So it's probably happening in several states, but this is the goal that they want to have
[20:28.440 --> 20:30.480]  across the entire country without a doubt.
[20:30.480 --> 20:31.480]  Well, absolutely.
[20:31.480 --> 20:32.480]  They want to take our kids.
[20:32.480 --> 20:33.480]  There's no question about it.
[20:33.480 --> 20:40.200]  And it doesn't surprise me one bit that Kirk Watson is behind this because I suspect he's
[20:40.200 --> 20:42.720]  the next Bilderberg boy.
[20:42.720 --> 20:45.320]  You'll be seeing him up there next, just like Perry.
[20:45.320 --> 20:46.320]  Watson's next.
[20:46.320 --> 20:50.480]  And I want to get Randy's take on this from a legal perspective.
[20:50.480 --> 20:57.720]  Randy, there was just a court ruling addressing this very exact issue.
[20:57.720 --> 21:01.120]  And the court said that they can't do this.
[21:01.120 --> 21:07.640]  And now a legislature's gone and slipped this one through the cracks, so to speak, thanks
[21:07.640 --> 21:09.560]  to good old Kirk Watson.
[21:09.560 --> 21:16.320]  And so does that mean that we're just at square one again and it's going to have to get adjudicated
[21:16.320 --> 21:19.320]  through the court system?
[21:19.320 --> 21:24.640]  This thing will not have one chance in passing constitutional muster.
[21:24.640 --> 21:30.080]  So you're saying that since the courts have already struck down this issue one time already
[21:30.080 --> 21:34.320]  or several times, that it's going to get struck down again.
[21:34.320 --> 21:35.320]  Absolutely this is going to get struck down.
[21:35.320 --> 21:38.800]  But the problem is it's going to have to get adjudicated in court.
[21:38.800 --> 21:40.440]  Somebody's rights are going to have to get violated.
[21:40.440 --> 21:45.960]  There's going to have to be another raid on another home or group of homes in order for
[21:45.960 --> 21:49.640]  it to work its way back into the court system and get struck down again.
[21:49.640 --> 21:50.640]  That's exactly the case.
[21:50.640 --> 21:54.880]  That's unfortunate because how many people are going to be hurt in the meantime.
[21:54.880 --> 21:58.720]  But this one is so outrageous.
[21:58.720 --> 22:04.920]  It so flies in the face of the Fourth Amendment that there's absolutely no way this will pass
[22:04.920 --> 22:07.920]  constitutional muster.
[22:07.920 --> 22:12.560]  Are there any other laws that would override this one at this point in time?
[22:12.560 --> 22:17.120]  The Fourth Amendment absolutely rolls right over it.
[22:17.120 --> 22:21.280]  I realize that, but I was talking about on a technicality.
[22:21.280 --> 22:27.360]  We see discrepancies between like say the penal code and the Code of Criminal Procedure
[22:27.360 --> 22:28.360]  versus...
[22:28.360 --> 22:30.480]  The technicality was the Fourth Amendment.
[22:30.480 --> 22:35.760]  But what I'm trying to say is that we'll see situations like say in the Texas traffic code
[22:35.760 --> 22:41.280]  where it says one thing and then you look at the penal code and it says something different.
[22:41.280 --> 22:47.680]  But because the penal code is a higher law, it automatically overrides the traffic code
[22:47.680 --> 22:50.080]  without having to be adjudicated.
[22:50.080 --> 22:54.200]  That's what I was wondering, if there was something that we could pull out of statute
[22:54.200 --> 22:59.160]  like this to avoid somebody's rights having to be violated and them having to take it
[22:59.160 --> 23:00.160]  to court.
[23:00.160 --> 23:01.160]  Yes.
[23:01.160 --> 23:09.640]  You're talking about imperamateria and this is family law.
[23:09.640 --> 23:10.640]  Yes.
[23:10.640 --> 23:12.200]  This is civil.
[23:12.200 --> 23:21.480]  So unless they do something that goes to criminal, we can't get to Code of Criminal Procedure.
[23:21.480 --> 23:28.200]  Rather or not, no, the rules of civil procedure will not stand over these because family law
[23:28.200 --> 23:32.320]  is statute, so statute of tech precedent.
[23:32.320 --> 23:39.280]  Family law in this regard is going to be the highest priority law.
[23:39.280 --> 23:43.280]  It'll stand over the others, but it doesn't stand over the Constitution.
[23:43.280 --> 23:44.800]  And I'm trying to remember the case.
[23:44.800 --> 23:51.920]  There was another case in the Fourth Amendment recently where the Supreme Court said that
[23:51.920 --> 23:59.960]  a policeman couldn't search a person's car without probable cause, and the DPS and everybody
[23:59.960 --> 24:03.280]  else had a fit about it, but they're reasserting Fourth Amendment.
[24:03.280 --> 24:09.000]  They're saying, no, you can't pass laws that allow you to do this crapola.
[24:09.000 --> 24:10.800]  And that's what they're going to say about this one.
[24:10.800 --> 24:14.360]  They're going to strike this one down.
[24:14.360 --> 24:17.280]  It's just written too badly.
[24:17.280 --> 24:20.040]  They afford no protections.
[24:20.040 --> 24:21.040]  There's no remedy.
[24:21.040 --> 24:22.040]  Yes.
[24:22.040 --> 24:27.000]  There's no remedy for a family that has their child taken and the damage is done.
[24:27.000 --> 24:29.000]  That's what our biggest issue is.
[24:29.000 --> 24:36.680]  You can go to court and say this was wrong, but those 400 plus kids, the damage was done.
[24:36.680 --> 24:42.800]  The rest of their lives, the damage will be, there's an effect forever.
[24:42.800 --> 24:43.960]  It's not reversible.
[24:43.960 --> 24:45.580]  You can reverse a court ruling.
[24:45.580 --> 24:50.000]  You can't reverse the damage done to a child when they're taken by strangers, transported
[24:50.000 --> 24:55.520]  and examined and questioned and often strip searched.
[24:55.520 --> 24:56.520]  I understand that problem.
[24:56.520 --> 24:58.160]  Why do they strip search the kids?
[24:58.160 --> 24:59.160]  I don't understand this.
[24:59.160 --> 25:04.760]  Because they got to find the bruises, got to find the injuries, and this is not being
[25:04.760 --> 25:10.400]  done with the parents saying, you know, honey, everything's going to be okay.
[25:10.400 --> 25:12.520]  They come to the schools and they take the kids.
[25:12.520 --> 25:17.800]  This is going to allow them to come to your house and take that kid to transport.
[25:17.800 --> 25:19.000]  That is terrifying.
[25:19.000 --> 25:23.240]  That's what a kid knows as kidnapping is everything you taught them.
[25:23.240 --> 25:24.240]  It's not reversible.
[25:24.240 --> 25:31.840]  There's a large element of this that is going to be more against those that choose to participate
[25:31.840 --> 25:34.360]  outside of the establishment paradigm.
[25:34.360 --> 25:40.320]  For example, homeschoolers, whereas when a child is in the public education system, you
[25:40.320 --> 25:44.360]  know, in a way they're a ward of the state while they're there.
[25:44.360 --> 25:47.760]  So the state, the child protection services would simply just take them away and do it
[25:47.760 --> 25:50.880]  from the school like happened in Buda recently.
[25:50.880 --> 25:56.080]  So this law allows them more easily to skirt around the Fourth Amendment to go to people's
[25:56.080 --> 26:00.560]  homes that aren't necessarily, that are already aware that the state is out to get them in
[26:00.560 --> 26:01.560]  many instances.
[26:01.560 --> 26:04.880]  They're trying to protect themselves by doing their own thing as a free human being, but
[26:04.880 --> 26:07.920]  here we have the state once again coming over to trump us.
[26:07.920 --> 26:12.480]  And then again we see a failure of the system, whereas the judicial branch saved the day
[26:12.480 --> 26:15.200]  for once, but the legislature came and just stabbed us in the back.
[26:15.200 --> 26:18.640]  And the real problem is all of that we're dealing with in every single instance is it's
[26:18.640 --> 26:20.840]  always the state.
[26:20.840 --> 26:26.160]  The Supreme Court in my opinion has been more and more illegitimate just by the very fact
[26:26.160 --> 26:29.840]  that the Supreme Court justices are appointed by the state.
[26:29.840 --> 26:34.040]  It's a state that checks, it's supposed to check itself, it's never going to take its
[26:34.040 --> 26:35.040]  own power away.
[26:35.040 --> 26:36.800]  Yeah, and see it kind of worked in this case.
[26:36.800 --> 26:43.600]  I mean damage was done to the FLDS community and even in the Gary Gates kids, but it kind
[26:43.600 --> 26:44.600]  of worked.
[26:44.600 --> 26:48.960]  The attorneys came forward, they said no, no, no, they brought the case, the appeals
[26:48.960 --> 26:52.120]  court said no you can't do this, the Supreme Court said yep, we're not going to strike
[26:52.120 --> 26:56.640]  that down and reversed it and that actually worked and here we have the legislature coming
[26:56.640 --> 26:59.920]  behind and going ah, but here's a way we can.
[26:59.920 --> 27:04.080]  It was our slimy senators, Duke, slimeball senators that are supposed to represent, read
[27:04.080 --> 27:05.080]  to people.
[27:05.080 --> 27:09.680]  And Joanne, will you tell us about the slimeball moves that occurred in the shady chicanery
[27:09.680 --> 27:12.280]  and shenanigans about the committee hearings?
[27:12.280 --> 27:17.120]  Well yeah, that's something, well number one the fact that it was a committee substitute
[27:17.120 --> 27:22.800]  that was completely different when it was originally 1064, when that was brought so
[27:22.800 --> 27:28.040]  anybody in opposition to this wouldn't have known the day of the hearing for the original
[27:28.040 --> 27:33.320]  1063, for 1064, I mean you weren't opposed to it because we looked at the language, it
[27:33.320 --> 27:34.320]  was you know, fine.
[27:34.320 --> 27:39.560]  And it had nothing to do with what we're talking about, nothing to do with it.
[27:39.560 --> 27:43.960]  When we went to the House side, got the committee substitute that had occurred in the Senate
[27:43.960 --> 27:50.680]  and said hey what's going on, wrote our testimony, like I said, I've told this story, we go to
[27:50.680 --> 27:54.840]  the hearing at 8 o'clock in the morning, Human Services hearing, Patrick Rose, we submit
[27:54.840 --> 28:00.160]  our testimony, written testimony against it, we submit our cards against it.
[28:00.160 --> 28:07.600]  When that hearing was finished, technically at 10 o'clock and then the House went in,
[28:07.600 --> 28:11.560]  they never came back after the House adjourned for that continuation of that hearing to hear
[28:11.560 --> 28:18.640]  the rest of the bill, they redid it the next day, well our testimony was submitted with
[28:18.640 --> 28:23.600]  cards but it didn't get, we didn't know we needed to come back on Friday apparently and
[28:23.600 --> 28:24.600]  resubmit it.
[28:24.600 --> 28:29.720]  But the funny thing is that our testimony within five minutes of submitting it to the
[28:29.720 --> 28:37.680]  Human Services Committee was being passed around to the very people that had testified
[28:37.680 --> 28:42.120]  for the bill and the other side and then you know we engaged in a few little heated arguments
[28:42.120 --> 28:46.480]  over it and I got my little phone call from text for text that evening saying we need
[28:46.480 --> 28:49.120]  to talk before the hearing tomorrow because the bill hadn't come up.
[28:49.120 --> 28:50.120]  Who is that?
[28:50.120 --> 28:51.120]  Who are those people?
[28:51.120 --> 28:54.120]  Who gives them money?
[28:54.120 --> 29:01.640]  Well, Dallas Foundation if you want to know, they are a fund of the Dallas Foundation,
[29:01.640 --> 29:04.520]  they do some good work, text for text does some good work, they're the ones that were
[29:04.520 --> 29:09.120]  pushing for the caseloads to be brought down for the caseworkers because that's one of
[29:09.120 --> 29:15.240]  the problems with why CPS is not efficient, you know you can't have 70 cases and actually
[29:15.240 --> 29:19.260]  help a family so they've done some really good things and then they turn around and
[29:19.260 --> 29:25.640]  bring this bill but then they have CPPP standing beside them, they have the CACS, the Child
[29:25.640 --> 29:30.800]  Advocacy Centers testifying for it at both hearings and they have some hospitals testing
[29:30.800 --> 29:35.240]  for it and they made the claim, Watson made the claim that all these stakeholders were
[29:35.240 --> 29:36.240]  brought together.
[29:36.240 --> 29:40.200]  Well, they all know, we see them at meetings, we're the parent voice, we're the parents
[29:40.200 --> 29:44.560]  involved with the system, we're the advocates for the parents in getting what they need.
[29:44.560 --> 29:48.480]  We're not saying that these parents a lot of times don't need help, we're saying follow
[29:48.480 --> 29:49.480]  the law.
[29:49.480 --> 29:50.480]  Yeah, exactly.
[29:50.480 --> 29:52.920]  Alright, listen, listen, we've got to hold on, we're going to break, we're going to
[29:52.920 --> 29:54.400]  break guys, we'll be right back.
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[31:23.800 --> 31:26.800]  Alright, when are you going to stop abusing their power?
[31:26.800 --> 31:30.080]  When are they going to stop abusing their power?
[31:30.080 --> 31:31.520]  When we stop them?
[31:31.520 --> 31:37.960]  Alright, this is Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton, we're here, this is the rule of law, rule
[31:37.960 --> 31:42.960]  of law radio, we're here with Joanna Scott, executive director of the Parents Guidance
[31:42.960 --> 31:47.640]  Center and also John Bush, Texans for Accountable Government, he's also host on this network
[31:47.640 --> 31:52.800]  Wednesday night, 6 to 8 p.m., Austin Liberty Beat, and John, you were telling us on the
[31:52.800 --> 32:01.760]  break about this Patrick Rose, the liberal star child, can you please elaborate on this
[32:01.760 --> 32:06.360]  and how he has his slimeball shittainery as well?
[32:06.360 --> 32:12.280]  Yeah, well Patrick Rose, he's a Democrat representing a dripping spring, he went to Texas State
[32:12.280 --> 32:17.320]  University which is where I went to school actually and he's given my alma mater a bad
[32:17.320 --> 32:18.320]  name.
[32:18.320 --> 32:24.320]  He's generally very much liked by a lot of people, he's working his way up the ranks
[32:24.320 --> 32:30.160]  of the Democratic Party, he gets a lot done, but unfortunately he is responsible for tossing
[32:30.160 --> 32:36.480]  this amendment back into the bill that he, who was it that, did he author the bill that
[32:36.480 --> 32:37.480]  it's on now?
[32:37.480 --> 32:44.200]  No, it was, 1064 was a Watson bill and then 1440 was a Watson bill, but 1064 never made
[32:44.200 --> 32:48.000]  it, it died on the calendar, it never made it with all the chugging and stuff, so he
[32:48.000 --> 32:53.920]  took the language from 1064 and grafted it as an amendment onto 1440 and therefore we
[32:53.920 --> 32:56.880]  have to be vetoing 1440.
[32:56.880 --> 33:00.680]  So yeah, this is going to continue to happen over and over, every single session, unless
[33:00.680 --> 33:04.440]  we the people stand up and let our elected representatives know that we're out there
[33:04.440 --> 33:08.840]  and we're paying attention and I think the Ron Paul campaign, I really think that it
[33:08.840 --> 33:13.520]  really threw some gasoline on the fire, but we need to let them know that we're paying
[33:13.520 --> 33:17.000]  attention because if you notice, this was done under the cover of darkness, slipped
[33:17.000 --> 33:21.400]  in not only the committee report, but at the very last second, slipped in on the last day,
[33:21.400 --> 33:22.400]  the 30th.
[33:22.400 --> 33:23.400]  Yeah.
[33:23.400 --> 33:24.400]  The second to last day.
[33:24.400 --> 33:25.880]  He also amended it onto 2240.
[33:25.880 --> 33:26.880]  Oh wow.
[33:26.880 --> 33:30.840]  Also, and we caught that and went around to the various...
[33:30.840 --> 33:38.120]  Let me ask you all this, was this amended onto the bill after the public hearing?
[33:38.120 --> 33:46.080]  Yes, because 1064 got even... it got passed out of committee as if it had no opposition
[33:46.080 --> 33:47.080]  even though...
[33:47.080 --> 33:48.080]  Okay.
[33:48.080 --> 33:49.080]  Okay.
[33:49.080 --> 33:50.080]  Wait a minute.
[33:50.080 --> 33:51.080]  Wait a minute.
[33:51.080 --> 33:52.920]  I don't see how this can be a legitimate legislative process.
[33:52.920 --> 33:58.160]  If they have public committee hearings and then they throw this crapola onto these bills
[33:58.160 --> 34:04.840]  after the public hearing, then there is no chance for the public to have any say about
[34:04.840 --> 34:05.840]  it.
[34:05.840 --> 34:14.160]  Randy, doesn't this violate some sort of law?
[34:14.160 --> 34:18.000]  It gets into the legislative rules.
[34:18.000 --> 34:24.040]  It would take some research and frankly, yes, I would think it would.
[34:24.040 --> 34:25.680]  If a bill has...
[34:25.680 --> 34:29.360]  Are you saying the bill was voted on and then it was amended?
[34:29.360 --> 34:30.360]  No.
[34:30.360 --> 34:31.360]  No, no, no.
[34:31.360 --> 34:32.960]  We're saying that there was a public hearing.
[34:32.960 --> 34:37.960]  All these bills have public committee hearings before they're voted out of committee to go
[34:37.960 --> 34:42.520]  to the calendar's committee, to go to the House floor or the Senate floor or whatever.
[34:42.520 --> 34:49.000]  But before the bill goes up for vote by the committee to proceed to the next level to
[34:49.000 --> 34:55.320]  get to the full floor of the House or the Senate, they have public committee hearings
[34:55.320 --> 35:01.280]  where the public has a chance to go and voice their opinion and submit written testimony.
[35:01.280 --> 35:06.360]  What we're saying is that the public hearing had already taken place for this bill and
[35:06.360 --> 35:09.840]  then they slapped this thing on there.
[35:09.840 --> 35:13.400]  I think that that is a violation somewhere.
[35:13.400 --> 35:17.120]  What they did is they passed it out of the committee that day.
[35:17.120 --> 35:21.120]  They passed it on out, voted it out of committee that day.
[35:21.120 --> 35:24.640]  We were not there to testify against it on the Friday.
[35:24.640 --> 35:28.640]  We were there on the Thursday that the hearing began.
[35:28.640 --> 35:33.880]  They acted like they never got our testimony, that we never said a cross word and acted
[35:33.880 --> 35:35.360]  like it had no opposition.
[35:35.360 --> 35:37.920]  That's because it wasn't on the bill at the time.
[35:37.920 --> 35:40.240]  Well, no, it was.
[35:40.240 --> 35:44.440]  We found it and we gave it, but it was this weird thing where they didn't come back on
[35:44.440 --> 35:45.440]  that day.
[35:45.440 --> 35:50.360]  So you had a hearing, that human services committee hearing actually took place on two
[35:50.360 --> 35:51.360]  separate days.
[35:51.360 --> 35:57.640]  But if you went there on the Friday, what I'd like to know, anybody else that had submitted
[35:57.640 --> 36:01.280]  their stuff on Thursday got their stuff chunked out like we did.
[36:01.280 --> 36:02.920]  That's what I'd really like to know.
[36:02.920 --> 36:06.960]  I'd like to find out if there's a way we could figure that out.
[36:06.960 --> 36:14.160]  Did this hearing, the second hearing that occurred, did they do a 72-hour notice?
[36:14.160 --> 36:18.480]  Yeah, we knew why we went to give our testimony.
[36:18.480 --> 36:22.400]  The second hearing we didn't know about.
[36:22.400 --> 36:25.240]  Yeah, they can also- They can adjourn them once they've started
[36:25.240 --> 36:26.240]  them.
[36:26.240 --> 36:30.400]  They're basically stacked against the people and the system is shocked.
[36:30.400 --> 36:35.000]  And unless we get up there and let them know, unless we start voting them out of office,
[36:35.000 --> 36:38.880]  unless we truly participate in a much larger scale than we are now, it's just going to
[36:38.880 --> 36:39.880]  continue on and on.
[36:39.880 --> 36:41.920]  There has to be massive reform of the entire system.
[36:41.920 --> 36:46.160]  I know it sounds like a lot of work, but I think we got a really good firm base and a
[36:46.160 --> 36:47.160]  strong start.
[36:47.160 --> 36:51.040]  Yeah, but see, what we're trying to do is we're trying to pin some technicality on them
[36:51.040 --> 36:53.800]  so we can get this bill thrown out altogether right now.
[36:53.800 --> 36:55.920]  So this bill died, that's the thing.
[36:55.920 --> 37:00.720]  This bill died with the chubbing, like hundreds and hundreds of other bills, but what those
[37:00.720 --> 37:05.320]  senators and those representatives did when their bills died is they started scrambling
[37:05.320 --> 37:08.440]  and amending, amending, amending onto all kinds of other bills.
[37:08.440 --> 37:12.640]  Patrick Rose amended this one onto two different bills, and then it's just up to you to try
[37:12.640 --> 37:15.960]  to find where that bill turned into something else.
[37:15.960 --> 37:21.680]  Three of us spent hours and hours and hours to find those two amendments that Patrick
[37:21.680 --> 37:24.520]  Rose had done with 1064 and we found them.
[37:24.520 --> 37:33.160]  Well, see, what we're trying to determine is the 1064, okay, had that bill already had
[37:33.160 --> 37:37.760]  its public hearing before it was amended?
[37:37.760 --> 37:41.480]  That bill itself was not amended.
[37:41.480 --> 37:47.480]  It became an amendment onto 1440 and 2240.
[37:47.480 --> 37:52.000]  It was not germane to 2240, so they kicked it off.
[37:52.000 --> 37:58.520]  Had the public hearing already taken place for 1440 before it was amended?
[37:58.520 --> 38:01.920]  Well, it was a committee substitute, see.
[38:01.920 --> 38:03.720]  The amendments that occur on the floor...
[38:03.720 --> 38:05.080]  That's the sneaky part.
[38:05.080 --> 38:07.160]  They don't have to have a hearing.
[38:07.160 --> 38:08.160]  They can come from nowhere.
[38:08.160 --> 38:13.120]  There could be a bill of safer Texas to commemorate the state of Israel for some reason, and somebody
[38:13.120 --> 38:15.840]  could call on the floor for an amendment to kill all Jews.
[38:15.840 --> 38:20.320]  As long as it's germane to the bill, that's a terrible example, I'm sorry, but as long
[38:20.320 --> 38:23.280]  as it's germane to the bill, it gets tossed on there, doesn't it?
[38:23.280 --> 38:24.720]  It could come from nowhere.
[38:24.720 --> 38:26.520]  Nobody could have uttered it the entire session.
[38:26.520 --> 38:27.520]  Right.
[38:27.520 --> 38:29.000]  Again, the system is stacked against us.
[38:29.000 --> 38:30.000]  It is.
[38:30.000 --> 38:33.080]  Until we make them nervous, until we make them actually pay attention to us over the
[38:33.080 --> 38:36.840]  full-time people that are working because they benefit from the state, it's just going
[38:36.840 --> 38:39.000]  to continue on and on and on every single session.
[38:39.000 --> 38:43.080]  Yeah, your representative is supposed to be representing you, the people, when they get
[38:43.080 --> 38:44.760]  up there and give that amendment.
[38:44.760 --> 38:49.480]  It should be an amendment or the type of language and stuff that the people want and
[38:49.480 --> 38:56.680]  need before they do it, but Patrick Rose took this, and he just stuck it on this other bill.
[38:56.680 --> 39:02.480]  It wasn't what the... I'm going to tell you right now, thousands and thousands of families
[39:02.480 --> 39:07.320]  in Texas do not want this bill, once they know.
[39:07.320 --> 39:12.160]  Nobody with children, not even those representatives, would want this bill if they really knew what
[39:12.160 --> 39:15.960]  it meant or understood or cared, I don't know, anymore.
[39:15.960 --> 39:19.400]  They all voted for it, too, unanimously, so they didn't know that it was going to happen.
[39:19.400 --> 39:21.640]  They didn't know that it was tacked on there because it was the last minute and they're
[39:21.640 --> 39:22.640]  in such a rush.
[39:22.640 --> 39:23.640]  Yeah.
[39:23.640 --> 39:24.640]  The state is so bloated.
[39:24.640 --> 39:28.280]  Who knows if they read it or not, but it's still responsible.
[39:28.280 --> 39:32.160]  Yeah, don't only call the governor, but also call your representative and tell them shame
[39:32.160 --> 39:33.160]  on you.
[39:33.160 --> 39:36.760]  Speak to the assistant and say, I want my representative to know that I'm disappointed
[39:36.760 --> 39:40.520]  with him, that he would pass such a law, and I want to know personally if he read that
[39:40.520 --> 39:41.520]  particular law.
[39:41.520 --> 39:42.520]  That's a good idea.
[39:42.520 --> 39:48.640]  Yeah, they're going to feel betrayed themselves because it gets flipped in, and they're getting
[39:48.640 --> 39:52.040]  stabbed in the back, too, and many of them have constituents that, of course, love their
[39:52.040 --> 39:53.040]  children.
[39:53.040 --> 39:58.160]  And they depended on that human services committee to do the right thing.
[39:58.160 --> 40:04.160]  Is it possible for the bill to be recalled if enough senators or House representatives
[40:04.160 --> 40:09.360]  say, as a result of our pressure, say, hey, wait a minute, we didn't know about that.
[40:09.360 --> 40:13.640]  When we voted on it, we feel like we were betrayed and we want to change our vote.
[40:13.640 --> 40:14.640]  Can that be done?
[40:14.640 --> 40:15.640]  I think-
[40:15.640 --> 40:16.640]  It's already been signed.
[40:16.640 --> 40:20.720]  Yeah, and they'd be in jeopardy if someone's doing that on all the other, you know...
[40:20.720 --> 40:26.440]  Our only legislative recourse is for Rick Perry to veto it.
[40:26.440 --> 40:29.440]  Now, if he fails to sign it, it still becomes law.
[40:29.440 --> 40:32.320]  He has to veto it, so we have to hold his feet to the fire.
[40:32.320 --> 40:38.280]  And the first bill that he vetoed this session had to do with some court stuff, some court
[40:38.280 --> 40:43.800]  rulings that he actually stated in his opinion that this didn't make it clearer for people,
[40:43.800 --> 40:45.560]  it made it muddier for people.
[40:45.560 --> 40:50.280]  That was one of his grounds, and that it was kind of not doing what the court ruling was
[40:50.280 --> 40:51.280]  supposed to do.
[40:51.280 --> 40:55.360]  So he struck it down and vetoed it, and I'm hoping that that same line of reasoning, because
[40:55.360 --> 40:59.400]  when you really read it, this just muddies it up and opens you up for the lawsuits.
[40:59.400 --> 41:00.400]  We'll see.
[41:00.400 --> 41:05.080]  We were trying to figure out if there was some... Where Randy was going a minute ago
[41:05.080 --> 41:10.560]  asking about the 72 hours notices, we were trying to figure out if we could invalidate
[41:10.560 --> 41:15.360]  the bill because of the Open Meetings Act, but it doesn't sound like we could use that
[41:15.360 --> 41:16.360]  in this case.
[41:16.360 --> 41:18.600]  Well, we didn't get there yet.
[41:18.600 --> 41:25.440]  The Open Meetings Act states in the preamble or the opening paragraph that the people do
[41:25.440 --> 41:30.680]  not... I used to be able to quote that thing.
[41:30.680 --> 41:39.680]  That the people do not... We don't allow our servants... That the people are the master
[41:39.680 --> 41:44.080]  of the government, not the servants, and we do not allow the servants to determine what's
[41:44.080 --> 41:48.040]  good for the people to know and what's not good for them to know.
[41:48.040 --> 41:55.160]  This would seem to go against the spirit of that in that it not only deprives us of knowledge
[41:55.160 --> 42:00.760]  of our legislators, but it tends to deprive the legislators themselves of knowledge of
[42:00.760 --> 42:01.760]  what they're passing.
[42:01.760 --> 42:02.760]  It does.
[42:02.760 --> 42:03.760]  I agree.
[42:03.760 --> 42:09.840]  I would have to study the rules real careful, but I have no doubt that in there somewhere
[42:09.840 --> 42:13.640]  there has to be a check and balance.
[42:13.640 --> 42:14.640]  Everyone would think so.
[42:14.640 --> 42:19.760]  Well, we'd have to go back also to that day and just wait through hours and hours and
[42:19.760 --> 42:25.480]  hours on the day that this was amended onto 1440 and kind of scrutinize exactly how it
[42:25.480 --> 42:26.480]  was amended.
[42:26.480 --> 42:27.480]  Well, wait a minute.
[42:27.480 --> 42:28.480]  Wait a minute.
[42:28.480 --> 42:29.480]  I just remembered something.
[42:29.480 --> 42:33.520]  There is a possible violation of the Open Meetings Act because, Joanna, you were saying
[42:33.520 --> 42:38.040]  that some people's written testimonies were thrown out of the public record.
[42:38.040 --> 42:41.840]  Now, Randy, isn't there something that we could do about that when they did have the
[42:41.840 --> 42:45.640]  public hearing, the committee hearings, some people's written testimonies that were submitted
[42:45.640 --> 42:48.640]  were not entered into the public record?
[42:48.640 --> 42:49.640]  Can't we call another...
[42:49.640 --> 42:55.800]  I'd like to know if a subcommittee hearing starts on one day and then continues on the
[42:55.800 --> 43:00.280]  next day, if you got your stuff out in on the first day that it started at eight o'clock,
[43:00.280 --> 43:03.760]  if they're able to just throw your stuff out for that hearing because you had to come back
[43:03.760 --> 43:04.760]  the next day.
[43:04.760 --> 43:05.760]  I don't think that's right.
[43:05.760 --> 43:07.480]  I'm going to bet they're not.
[43:07.480 --> 43:13.720]  I'm going to bet no, and this may be a way to invalidate the bill because of the violation
[43:13.720 --> 43:17.760]  of the Open Meetings Act right there, and that would throw the whole thing out right
[43:17.760 --> 43:18.760]  there.
[43:18.760 --> 43:25.040]  But this would take delving into the details, and it's always been my experience.
[43:25.040 --> 43:30.880]  That's where the action really is, that digging in the details is always worth it because
[43:30.880 --> 43:36.720]  these guys trying to shuck and jive and scam us all, they seldom pay close attention to
[43:36.720 --> 43:37.720]  it.
[43:37.720 --> 43:38.720]  Exactly.
[43:38.720 --> 43:39.720]  All right.
[43:39.720 --> 43:40.720]  Well, listen, we're going to break.
[43:40.720 --> 43:41.720]  You guys are welcome to join us for the next segment.
[43:41.720 --> 43:46.520]  Callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984, let's hear from some people in the public
[43:46.520 --> 43:47.520]  about this.
[43:47.520 --> 43:51.240]  So, feel free to call in 512-646-1984.
[43:51.240 --> 43:53.560]  We're here with John Scott and John Bush.
[43:53.560 --> 43:55.720]  I'm Deborah Stevens with Randy Kelton.
[43:55.720 --> 43:56.720]  We'll be right back.
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[45:22.240 --> 45:48.720]  Alright, watching the sparks fly, so we need to look into the details because it looks
[45:48.720 --> 45:53.640]  like there's a chance we may even be able to get this thing invalidated and not have
[45:53.640 --> 45:59.800]  to rely on Rick Perry because of violations of the Open Meetings Act, because they wouldn't
[45:59.800 --> 46:04.320]  enter you guys' written testimony into the permanent record like they are required to
[46:04.320 --> 46:08.680]  do, so we need to look into that.
[46:08.680 --> 46:17.080]  Well there is more than one way to skin this, oh, Armadillo, I was being sensitive to cat
[46:17.080 --> 46:27.520]  lovers, if we filed a petition for a restraining order with the Court of Criminal Appeals claiming
[46:27.520 --> 46:35.400]  that there were irregularities in the passing of the bill and ask the Court of Criminal
[46:35.400 --> 46:42.560]  Appeals to issue a restraining order, they're most likely not going to do it, however they
[46:42.560 --> 46:49.560]  will look at it, and what that's going to do is get all the phones ringing, especially
[46:49.560 --> 46:57.080]  if these legislators are getting phone calls from citizens saying, what are you guys doing,
[46:57.080 --> 47:00.680]  what kind of shenanigans are you pulling to pass bills?
[47:00.680 --> 47:03.680]  What kind of slimeball chicanery?
[47:03.680 --> 47:07.080]  How much are you getting paid to do this?
[47:07.080 --> 47:13.560]  It doesn't take much, it don't take many people jumping up and down, in Williamson County
[47:13.560 --> 47:22.000]  it took one radio show host to corner the county attorney and get him to cop to a felony
[47:22.000 --> 47:28.720]  to get them to change their policy, it just took one, it won't take many.
[47:28.720 --> 47:35.560]  We cast a shadow on their procedures and the last thing they're going to want are the courts
[47:35.560 --> 47:37.320]  looking at their procedures.
[47:37.320 --> 47:44.920]  Yeah, then they'll just make a false report to CPS on you if you have kids.
[47:44.920 --> 47:52.000]  When you go to the top, it gets real sensitive for them, and you bring guys looking at it
[47:52.000 --> 47:56.780]  who potentially will rule on the bill, and if you've already brought the bill to their
[47:56.780 --> 48:04.720]  attention as being passed improperly, these folks have to consider that that bill is going
[48:04.720 --> 48:12.680]  to get back before this committee, these judges, we've got nine judges here.
[48:12.680 --> 48:17.440]  And to address Joanna's concern, get people who don't have kids to do this like me and
[48:17.440 --> 48:22.520]  Randy and Jerry, get some people who don't have kids because they can't hurt me, I don't
[48:22.520 --> 48:25.680]  have kids and I ain't never going to.
[48:25.680 --> 48:29.520]  Yeah, if you want to bring someone to their knees, you go after their kids and that's
[48:29.520 --> 48:37.360]  happening down in Hayes County, there's a person that ran for a DA, they're bringing
[48:37.360 --> 48:42.760]  them to his knees, they got him where it hurts.
[48:42.760 --> 48:44.960]  I see this all over the state.
[48:44.960 --> 48:50.960]  I mean, there was a lady in Corpus Christi two days ago, a former supervisor of CPS that
[48:50.960 --> 48:55.600]  made a false report on a college, she got two years and she'll get probation, but they
[48:55.600 --> 48:56.720]  are capable.
[48:56.720 --> 49:01.920]  People make false reports to CPS and that's why this piece of legislation is so damning
[49:01.920 --> 49:02.920]  and dangerous.
[49:02.920 --> 49:03.920]  It is.
[49:03.920 --> 49:12.240]  Because it allows that false report to be the basic information that gets in the affidavit
[49:12.240 --> 49:15.040]  that gets the court ordered, that gets you past the door.
[49:15.040 --> 49:22.200]  Yes, so go ahead, and Randy, you were saying there's more than one way to skin this armadillo
[49:22.200 --> 49:25.280]  to get the court to start looking at their process.
[49:25.280 --> 49:31.880]  Yes, a petition for an emergency restraining order against the legislature.
[49:31.880 --> 49:35.880]  Okay, they're not going to approve it.
[49:35.880 --> 49:40.480]  Well, maybe, but most likely they're not going to approve it.
[49:40.480 --> 49:48.400]  What it does is gets a lot of people in high places asking a lot of hard questions from
[49:48.400 --> 49:51.800]  other people in high places.
[49:51.800 --> 50:00.280]  When the courts start looking at the procedures that these legislators are taking, the legislators
[50:00.280 --> 50:03.600]  and everybody all gets nervous.
[50:03.600 --> 50:13.240]  They're not going to want the courts to rule that the legislative procedures violate constitution
[50:13.240 --> 50:18.200]  because then they don't get to pull their shenanigans.
[50:18.200 --> 50:22.120]  So they're going to want to preserve what they've got.
[50:22.120 --> 50:28.960]  Always it's been the more trouble we can stir up within the system.
[50:28.960 --> 50:33.320]  If I can pit one official against another, I get more traction.
[50:33.320 --> 50:39.440]  Well, and if it's a good... The thing is, if this is good for the people and this is
[50:39.440 --> 50:43.240]  what they want, why are you hiding?
[50:43.240 --> 50:44.240]  Why are they pulling this?
[50:44.240 --> 50:49.520]  If this is so great for families and it's going to be so great for kids, this particular
[50:49.520 --> 50:53.920]  one, but this applies to any law, why do you take the measures?
[50:53.920 --> 50:55.680]  Why do you run it the wrong way?
[50:55.680 --> 50:58.520]  Why do you do these weird, strange little things?
[50:58.520 --> 51:00.800]  It should be out in the open.
[51:00.800 --> 51:05.960]  If it's good, it should pass the public scrutiny.
[51:05.960 --> 51:07.960]  That's what was denied here.
[51:07.960 --> 51:08.960]  Exactly.
[51:08.960 --> 51:16.080]  So it's in... Human intuition is on our side.
[51:16.080 --> 51:17.920]  It appears bad.
[51:17.920 --> 51:19.800]  It looks bad on the surface.
[51:19.800 --> 51:27.020]  Now I'm sure that CPS and child advocates are going to come up with very good reasons
[51:27.020 --> 51:29.320]  for this.
[51:29.320 --> 51:36.000]  They're going to tell horror stories about how children have been harmed and CPS was
[51:36.000 --> 51:40.760]  helpless to do anything about it because they couldn't just barge in and grab the children
[51:40.760 --> 51:45.560]  and run out with them and bring them to safety.
[51:45.560 --> 51:46.560]  We know they're going to do that.
[51:46.560 --> 51:47.960]  It's called err on the side of the child.
[51:47.960 --> 51:48.960]  That's what they always claim.
[51:48.960 --> 51:50.560]  Err on the side of the child.
[51:50.560 --> 51:54.240]  Well, apparently they erred on the side of more than 400 kids.
[51:54.240 --> 51:55.240]  Yes.
[51:55.240 --> 51:57.640]  It wasn't for their benefit.
[51:57.640 --> 52:01.880]  It doesn't sound like they're erring on the side of the child with this bill.
[52:01.880 --> 52:05.920]  They're not because they're not understanding what damage is... Psychologically, the damage
[52:05.920 --> 52:11.520]  that's done at the moment that they take that child to transport, that they barge into that
[52:11.520 --> 52:13.240]  home.
[52:13.240 --> 52:22.680]  My point here is, is if we just vilify the ones who are proposing the law, we will lose
[52:22.680 --> 52:24.960]  a lot of traction.
[52:24.960 --> 52:30.440]  We need to understand that there are good people with good reasons for doing this.
[52:30.440 --> 52:38.600]  It's just draconian, and we need to demonstrate that while we understand the purpose that
[52:38.600 --> 52:42.440]  it's draconian, it will cause more harm than it is.
[52:42.440 --> 52:43.440]  All right.
[52:43.440 --> 52:44.440]  Well, listen.
[52:44.440 --> 52:45.440]  Yes.
[52:45.440 --> 52:46.440]  We need to... Go ahead, Randy.
[52:46.440 --> 52:48.040]  I wanted to go to some callers.
[52:48.040 --> 52:49.040]  Okay.
[52:49.040 --> 52:56.620]  We need to look at both sides of it very carefully and demonstrate how the weight of justice
[52:56.620 --> 53:04.440]  will fall to our side and not vilify the people who are proposing the law, but the public
[53:04.440 --> 53:08.400]  officials, our legislature is passing it without due care.
[53:08.400 --> 53:09.400]  Right.
[53:09.400 --> 53:11.120]  The other side was what was not heard.
[53:11.120 --> 53:15.640]  The family parent side, which is what we were bringing to the table to say, hey guys, let's
[53:15.640 --> 53:16.640]  look at this.
[53:16.640 --> 53:20.880]  This is what I'll tell you in my cases, in my clients, in my families, what will really
[53:20.880 --> 53:21.880]  happen.
[53:21.880 --> 53:24.840]  That was what we were trying to bring to the table.
[53:24.840 --> 53:26.280]  That's what nobody got to hear.
[53:26.280 --> 53:27.280]  All right.
[53:27.280 --> 53:28.280]  All right.
[53:28.280 --> 53:29.280]  Well, let's go to some callers.
[53:29.280 --> 53:30.960]  We've got Bill from Texas.
[53:30.960 --> 53:32.640]  Bill, thanks for calling in.
[53:32.640 --> 53:33.640]  What are your comments on the issue?
[53:33.640 --> 53:34.640]  Thanks.
[53:34.640 --> 53:35.640]  This is one of the suggested ideas.
[53:35.640 --> 53:36.640]  One would be to get a petition.
[53:36.640 --> 53:37.640]  It'll put pressure on the legislators, and if we can get enough, especially on the Republican
[53:37.640 --> 53:38.640]  side, that will encourage Perry to veto this.
[53:38.640 --> 53:39.640]  Secondly, I think Rosemary Edwards, the Travis County chairman, the Republican party, would
[53:39.640 --> 53:40.640]  be against this, and she ought to be contacted.
[53:40.640 --> 53:41.640]  She has a lot of weight with Perry.
[53:41.640 --> 53:42.640]  Jan Gallagher, the president of Travis County, she has a lot of weight with Perry.
[53:42.640 --> 54:00.880]  Jan Galbraith of Legacy, the former Travis County Republican chair, she would also be
[54:00.880 --> 54:03.080]  against this, and she should be contacted.
[54:03.080 --> 54:04.080]  Eagle Forum would be against it.
[54:04.080 --> 54:07.080]  This is a Democratic bill, so that will help.
[54:07.080 --> 54:14.600]  I don't think there's any love lost between Perry and Watson or Rose, and also the homeschool
[54:14.600 --> 54:17.800]  organization should get involved in this.
[54:17.800 --> 54:20.640]  The Texas Homeschool Coalition, they are involved in this.
[54:20.640 --> 54:26.080]  They sent out alerts, and also I was in contact with the Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
[54:26.080 --> 54:30.760]  That's the national group, and they were watching the 1064 and hadn't realized that it got stuck
[54:30.760 --> 54:35.520]  on to 1440, so we alerted them to that, and they're supposed to be getting involved as
[54:35.520 --> 54:36.520]  well.
[54:36.520 --> 54:37.520]  Absolutely.
[54:37.520 --> 54:41.560]  I think that petition is a really good idea, because just going around to Republican offices
[54:41.560 --> 54:46.000]  and say, this is what it's going to do, you didn't realize what you're voting for, sign
[54:46.000 --> 54:50.160]  your name on this petition, and otherwise we're going to post this, and everybody's
[54:50.160 --> 54:53.040]  going to see who's actually for and who's against it, now that we're telling you what
[54:53.040 --> 54:54.040]  it's about.
[54:54.040 --> 55:00.000]  That's going to put pressure on Republicans, especially, to get on board.
[55:00.000 --> 55:02.920]  Absolutely.
[55:02.920 --> 55:06.440]  These are great ideas.
[55:06.440 --> 55:10.080]  Can you repeat some of those names again for people to contact, please?
[55:10.080 --> 55:11.080]  Sure.
[55:11.080 --> 55:13.840]  Rosemary Edwards is the Travis County Republican chairman.
[55:13.840 --> 55:17.560]  She's a good person, I think, against this.
[55:17.560 --> 55:23.000]  Jan Galbraith, she's the former head of the Travis County chair, and she's the head of
[55:23.000 --> 55:24.000]  Legacy.
[55:24.000 --> 55:25.000]  It's a conservative organization.
[55:25.000 --> 55:31.120]  Eagle Forum, I'm trying to think of the woman who's in charge of that, but it's Phyllis
[55:31.120 --> 55:33.320]  Schlosser's group, but there's a woman in charge now.
[55:33.320 --> 55:35.320]  Can I have her call her name?
[55:35.320 --> 55:39.120]  They are very close to Perry, and they would have a lot of influence, and I think this
[55:39.120 --> 55:43.520]  is exactly the kind of thing that they would be against, and they would be very helpful
[55:43.520 --> 55:46.520]  to have on the side.
[55:46.520 --> 55:52.280]  As your guest mentioned, the homeschool organizations would be very important, too, because they're
[55:52.280 --> 55:54.280]  certainly a Perry constituency.
[55:54.280 --> 55:55.280]  Definitely.
[55:55.280 --> 55:56.280]  Okay.
[55:56.280 --> 56:01.760]  But really, I think that petition might do it all by itself, because if you've got every
[56:01.760 --> 56:04.520]  vast majority of Republicans against this, it's going to go down for sure.
[56:04.520 --> 56:10.480]  It's going to be for sure, and they just didn't realize what they were voting for.
[56:10.480 --> 56:11.480]  Okay.
[56:11.480 --> 56:12.480]  All right.
[56:12.480 --> 56:13.480]  Excellent.
[56:13.480 --> 56:14.480]  Thanks for that info, Bill.
[56:14.480 --> 56:15.480]  That was great.
[56:15.480 --> 56:16.480]  Sure thing.
[56:16.480 --> 56:17.480]  Bye.
[56:17.480 --> 56:18.480]  Okay.
[56:18.480 --> 56:19.480]  Bye.
[56:19.480 --> 56:20.480]  All right.
[56:20.480 --> 56:21.480]  We're going to go to Jeff in Michigan.
[56:21.480 --> 56:22.480]  Hey, Jeff.
[56:22.480 --> 56:23.480]  Thanks for calling in.
[56:23.480 --> 56:24.480]  What's your comments on the issue?
[56:24.480 --> 56:25.480]  Hey, Deborah.
[56:25.480 --> 56:26.480]  Randy.
[56:26.480 --> 56:36.480]  I have an issue with a default judgment, and I need to run over Randy real quick, but as
[56:36.480 --> 56:43.520]  far as the CPS issue goes, I know Randy went to that seminar he was talking about a while
[56:43.520 --> 56:54.560]  back about commerce technology, and what people need to realize about these situations is
[56:54.560 --> 57:00.240]  how the authorities think that they have authority over the children in the first place.
[57:00.240 --> 57:07.560]  It's through the use of three words, registration, application, and submission.
[57:07.560 --> 57:13.000]  When you register a child, the word registration literally means abandonment.
[57:13.000 --> 57:18.520]  You abandon the child, the state salvages the child and creates the corporate identity,
[57:18.520 --> 57:24.120]  the corporate title for it, and the fictional straw man for the child to represent.
[57:24.120 --> 57:28.560]  The CPS has authority over the straw man of the child.
[57:28.560 --> 57:30.400]  That's it, the fiction that they created.
[57:30.400 --> 57:37.800]  They don't have authority over the flesh and blood sovereign child, but you just don't
[57:37.800 --> 57:39.760]  know the difference.
[57:39.760 --> 57:41.000]  You know what?
[57:41.000 --> 57:48.600]  We need to talk to the Agenda 21 talk guys, Greg Chapman and Don Terry, because they were
[57:48.600 --> 57:55.360]  going over this point, I think a show or two ago, where they have a way where you basically
[57:55.360 --> 58:02.640]  do your UCC-1 and your copywriting of your child's name in all caps, where you basically
[58:02.640 --> 58:11.200]  you own the fictional corporate entity of your child, and that's how they've fought
[58:11.200 --> 58:17.360]  in one's cases concerning forced inoculations, and they've even gone to the lawyers of the
[58:17.360 --> 58:24.000]  schools and shown them the paperwork, and the lawyer said, yep, that's right, you know,
[58:24.000 --> 58:27.560]  and they even told the superintendent, they had to call, the superintendent had to call
[58:27.560 --> 58:32.320]  up the parents and apologize and everything, so there are some commercial ways of getting
[58:32.320 --> 58:33.320]  around this.
[58:33.320 --> 58:37.320]  We need to talk to them about that tomorrow night.
[58:37.320 --> 58:44.040]  I just filed by copyright, by power of attorney, and my security agreement with the county,
[58:44.040 --> 58:45.040]  and they refused.
[58:45.040 --> 58:46.400]  Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
[58:46.400 --> 58:50.360]  We're going to break, there are ways of getting around that too, all right, we'll be right
[58:50.360 --> 58:53.840]  back, you're welcome to hang on the other line, we've got Jeff and Lisa, we'll be right
[58:53.840 --> 58:54.840]  back.
[58:54.840 --> 59:21.640]  Thank you, Ms. Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[59:21.640 --> 59:46.440]  Thank you.
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[01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:31.480]  Alright, we are back, chant down Babylon.
[01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:36.960]  We are here with Joanna Scott, Executive Director of the Parents Guidance Center, doing
[01:01:36.960 --> 01:01:39.680]  great work here.
[01:01:39.680 --> 01:01:43.240]  And we are taking your calls right now, we are speaking with Jeff from Michigan.
[01:01:43.240 --> 01:01:46.720]  And yeah, Jeff, I just tried to call Greg to see if I could get him to call in and explain
[01:01:46.720 --> 01:01:54.240]  this a little bit further, but yeah, basically parents can file their UCC-1 forms on their
[01:01:54.240 --> 01:02:01.120]  children's name in all caps and file the copyright of the artwork resembling their child's name
[01:02:01.120 --> 01:02:03.640]  in all caps and all permutations of that.
[01:02:03.640 --> 01:02:07.920]  And then they end up owning the straw man, their child's straw man, and you can get a
[01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:14.800]  lot done with that, including very easily circumventing the pressure that they put on
[01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.080]  parents to vaccinate and all these kinds of things.
[01:02:18.080 --> 01:02:23.520]  And if you have trouble filing these documents in your state, you don't even need to file
[01:02:23.520 --> 01:02:25.040]  them in your state.
[01:02:25.040 --> 01:02:29.400]  You can file them in Washington state and it translates over.
[01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.960]  That's what people have been doing lately.
[01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:35.440]  Well, actually, they simply have to be published.
[01:02:35.440 --> 01:02:41.720]  Filing them with the clerk simply makes them publicly available.
[01:02:41.720 --> 01:02:46.560]  Anyone can go to that clerk and get this information, so that makes it available to the public.
[01:02:46.560 --> 01:02:51.920]  If you put it on a website where anyone can go to the website and pull it down, it is
[01:02:51.920 --> 01:02:52.920]  published.
[01:02:52.920 --> 01:02:54.280]  Yep, you can do that.
[01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:59.200]  Or you can file it in Washington state, like what Greg and Dawn were saying.
[01:02:59.200 --> 01:03:00.600]  That is really cool.
[01:03:00.600 --> 01:03:01.600]  The people...
[01:03:01.600 --> 01:03:05.640]  I just got the call back today from the county saying their council says they will absolutely
[01:03:05.640 --> 01:03:08.360]  not file that.
[01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:12.080]  People are telling me I can go to another county, and if that doesn't work, I can go
[01:03:12.080 --> 01:03:16.160]  straight to the secretary of state or another state or even another country, I guess you
[01:03:16.160 --> 01:03:17.160]  can do this in.
[01:03:17.160 --> 01:03:20.640]  Yep, and if it doesn't work, you can do it online with Washington state.
[01:03:20.640 --> 01:03:24.280]  In fact, that's what we're about to do, because apparently they give you problems in Texas
[01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:27.880]  for trying to file these documents too.
[01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.080]  What county are you in?
[01:03:30.080 --> 01:03:32.000]  Macomb County, Michigan.
[01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.000]  They gave me a little form letter that is basically a notice saying registered deeds
[01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.360]  is not a general forum to make claims, demands, or threats, blah, blah, blah.
[01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:45.120]  Notice of copyrights are not filed with the registered deeds, likewise claims that a person's
[01:03:45.120 --> 01:03:49.040]  name is copyright are not recordable.
[01:03:49.040 --> 01:03:50.040]  It's all a bluff.
[01:03:50.040 --> 01:03:51.040]  It's all...
[01:03:51.040 --> 01:03:52.600]  Well, you can't copyright a name anyway.
[01:03:52.600 --> 01:03:57.640]  You have to copyright artwork, so that's a way that they try to skirt around it and say,
[01:03:57.640 --> 01:03:58.640]  well, you can't copyright a name.
[01:03:58.640 --> 01:03:59.760]  Well, I'm not copyrighting a name.
[01:03:59.760 --> 01:04:01.880]  I'm copyrighting some artwork.
[01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:10.160]  Well, the thing, as I understand it, the way it is in Texas is if the clerk feels that
[01:04:10.160 --> 01:04:16.840]  there's something improper about a filing, the clerk still has to file it.
[01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:23.560]  Then the clerk can petition the local district court for ruling on whether the filing is
[01:04:23.560 --> 01:04:27.640]  valid or not, and the court can order removed.
[01:04:27.640 --> 01:04:30.000]  The clerk cannot.
[01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:35.040]  That's an issue I'm taking up in Texas.
[01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:42.000]  Mine is a public notice truth affidavit in the nature of supplemental rules for administrative
[01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:50.160]  and maritime claims rules, and saying, I'm a me, myself, I agent, I'm the secured party,
[01:04:50.160 --> 01:04:56.200]  the whole works, and a penalty for using my name in print or using it to try and make
[01:04:56.200 --> 01:05:01.240]  money off me, but I think the reason I was denied was because the first thing on the
[01:05:01.240 --> 01:05:07.280]  very front page of my Social Security Agreement contract is my property, and they probably
[01:05:07.280 --> 01:05:13.440]  ran that property seeing I'm behind in my property taxes, and if this gets published,
[01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:16.680]  they can never possibly repossess my property.
[01:05:16.680 --> 01:05:23.920]  Well, have you looked up the law concerning what the clerk may do and what the clerk may
[01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:26.520]  not do?
[01:05:26.520 --> 01:05:31.520]  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I have found the laws pertaining to a third-party
[01:05:31.520 --> 01:05:34.200]  interference with a two-party contract.
[01:05:34.200 --> 01:05:37.000]  Yeah, okay.
[01:05:37.000 --> 01:05:41.760]  Interference with contract is a tort, however, it's not a tort if the clerk is acting with
[01:05:41.760 --> 01:05:43.760]  statutory authority.
[01:05:43.760 --> 01:05:50.240]  They're just acting with the guidance of their county lawyer, counselor.
[01:05:50.240 --> 01:05:59.760]  You need to make sure of that, and once you're sure of that, then the best way to get the
[01:05:59.760 --> 01:06:06.960]  answer is to file criminally against the clerk for misfeasance in office.
[01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:15.920]  Yeah, that's going to war with them that I'm hoping going to the next county will avoid.
[01:06:15.920 --> 01:06:18.440]  That was what I was going to suggest.
[01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:23.280]  This particular fight for what you're trying to achieve is not a fight we need to get into.
[01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:24.280]  Right.
[01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:26.120]  Just publish it on a website.
[01:06:26.120 --> 01:06:31.680]  There's a woman in Tarrant County who's setting up a website just for that purpose.
[01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:33.360]  Oh, wow.
[01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:42.640]  For $5, whatever your file is, you don't care how big it is, she'll post it, and this is
[01:06:42.640 --> 01:06:44.680]  how she's doing it.
[01:06:44.680 --> 01:06:50.720]  She posts it, and the keywords are your name and the type of document.
[01:06:50.720 --> 01:07:00.520]  If anybody Googles or exquicks your name, bam, you get a hit right on that document.
[01:07:00.520 --> 01:07:06.600]  It becomes accessible to anyone in the public, therefore, it's published.
[01:07:06.600 --> 01:07:12.800]  That was the ruling out of California, that if it's publicly available on the internet,
[01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:17.520]  it's published, so you don't have to use these courts anymore.
[01:07:17.520 --> 01:07:24.800]  Frankly, the court clerk for this purpose is archaic.
[01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:26.040]  We don't need it anymore.
[01:07:26.040 --> 01:07:33.880]  That used to be the only place you could put a document to where it was always available.
[01:07:33.880 --> 01:07:36.920]  Now we have other options that are more viable.
[01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:39.920]  Oh, that's good news.
[01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:46.680]  I've got to write an affidavit, and I want to know if I'm doing the right thing.
[01:07:46.680 --> 01:07:52.000]  I got a tail light ticket and a no insurance ticket, and the day after...
[01:07:52.000 --> 01:07:55.400]  Okay, well, Jeff, Jeff, wait, hold on one minute, because we had some other callers
[01:07:55.400 --> 01:07:56.400]  waiting on the line.
[01:07:56.400 --> 01:08:00.280]  Would you mind holding to talk about the traffic ticket, because we still have our guest Joanna
[01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.480]  Scott on the line, and I want to make sure that if these other callers are calling in
[01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:10.040]  regards to the previous topic that they get a chance to get their comments addressed,
[01:08:10.040 --> 01:08:12.480]  and then we'll go back to you about the traffic ticket, okay?
[01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:13.480]  Okay.
[01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:14.480]  Okay, great.
[01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:15.480]  Wait a minute.
[01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:16.480]  I forgot to hit you with my mic taser.
[01:08:16.480 --> 01:08:17.480]  Okay.
[01:08:17.480 --> 01:08:18.480]  All right.
[01:08:18.480 --> 01:08:19.480]  We are going now to Lisa.
[01:08:19.480 --> 01:08:20.480]  Jeff's going to... We're putting Jeff on hold.
[01:08:20.480 --> 01:08:22.480]  We're going to bring Jeff back in just a few minutes.
[01:08:22.480 --> 01:08:24.200]  We're going now to Lisa in Texas.
[01:08:24.200 --> 01:08:26.280]  Hey, Lisa, thanks for calling in.
[01:08:26.280 --> 01:08:31.760]  Do you have a question or comment for Joanna or us concerning this Senate Bill 1440?
[01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:40.760]  Hey, Deborah and Randy, and your guest, yeah, the thing... I don't even have children,
[01:08:40.760 --> 01:08:46.520]  and this angers me with what's happening, and I've got a lot of friends with kids who
[01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:52.320]  should be upset about what's happening, but I don't think they know, but I'll make sure
[01:08:52.320 --> 01:08:56.000]  that all of them do know about it.
[01:08:56.000 --> 01:09:00.920]  I wanted to ask you, which I don't know if this is off topic or not, because it's not
[01:09:00.920 --> 01:09:09.200]  really... What bothers me is, I think about all of these politicians, and what is bothering
[01:09:09.200 --> 01:09:16.080]  me is the fact that the voting system, when you go after these people, or how do you put
[01:09:16.080 --> 01:09:22.360]  pressure on these people, such as Patrick Rose or any of the other people that are in
[01:09:22.360 --> 01:09:26.000]  office when you've got the black box voting?
[01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:33.160]  What bothers me is, such as my representative is Michael McCall, who is married to the daughter
[01:09:33.160 --> 01:09:41.360]  of Lowry May, who owns or was a primary owner of Clear Channel, and he was super, super
[01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:49.120]  involved with the Hart InterCivic voting machine, as was Tom Hicks of Clear Channel as well,
[01:09:49.120 --> 01:09:55.440]  and then that was sold to some other investors, so now nobody really knows who owns it, but
[01:09:55.440 --> 01:10:00.600]  it was, I believe, tied to Diebold as well.
[01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:06.560]  I guess what bothers me is, how in the world do these people feel intimidated by any of
[01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:11.240]  us if there's something stinky going on with the voting system?
[01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:12.480]  Here's my answer for that.
[01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:15.480]  Here's my answer for that.
[01:10:15.480 --> 01:10:18.960]  This is just my belief.
[01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:26.000]  Most politicians, especially at the state level, I don't think they realize that our
[01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.880]  voting system is complete fraud, and it has been a complete fraud for the last 20 years
[01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:36.320]  or more, especially since they've had these electronic voting machines.
[01:10:36.320 --> 01:10:41.880]  A few possibly do, like maybe the person you're describing.
[01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:51.360]  I think most do not, and I think that they still have a fundamental fear that they're
[01:10:51.360 --> 01:10:57.360]  going to get voted out of office, even if the reality is the voting machines are pre-programmed
[01:10:57.360 --> 01:11:00.080]  at the factory, I don't think that they know that.
[01:11:00.080 --> 01:11:04.200]  I think even if you try to tell them that, they wouldn't believe it, and so I think that
[01:11:04.200 --> 01:11:09.880]  the politicians still respond to the fear that they are going to get voted out of office
[01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:10.880]  anyway.
[01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:11.880]  I've seen it.
[01:11:11.880 --> 01:11:12.880]  I've seen it.
[01:11:12.880 --> 01:11:14.680]  I've seen it in their eyes.
[01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:20.520]  They are afraid they're going to get voted out of office, and the reality may be that
[01:11:20.520 --> 01:11:26.920]  maybe only some of the elections are rigged, like Kirk Watson's, for example.
[01:11:26.920 --> 01:11:32.440]  There may be a few handpicked, cherry handpicked politicians that they're definitely rigging
[01:11:32.440 --> 01:11:38.360]  the elections for, but maybe some of the rest of them aren't, who knows?
[01:11:38.360 --> 01:11:43.480]  I just feel that I know in my heart that most of these politicians just do not realize the
[01:11:43.480 --> 01:11:48.280]  level of the fraud of the voting system, and so they still are going to respond to our
[01:11:48.280 --> 01:11:51.360]  pressure, because they're afraid they're going to lose their seat, even if the reality
[01:11:51.360 --> 01:11:55.000]  is the elections are fraud, so that's my take on it.
[01:11:55.000 --> 01:12:01.640]  I'm going to keep listening to you guys, and I'm going to contact all my friends that I
[01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:08.240]  know, and I'm going to make my phone call, and keep listening to what you guys are saying.
[01:12:08.240 --> 01:12:11.600]  Here's the other thing, too, Lisa.
[01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:16.320]  Even if they're afraid they're going to lose their seat or not, nobody likes to hear people
[01:12:16.320 --> 01:12:23.440]  yelling at them, and so they're going to do something just to get you off the phone, man.
[01:12:23.440 --> 01:12:29.680]  They're going to do something just to get people off their backs, because it's true.
[01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:31.440]  They don't want to be bothered.
[01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:35.080]  Their clerks are bothered, their aides are bothered, the phone's ringing off the hook,
[01:12:35.080 --> 01:12:40.120]  the email box is totally full and can't take no more emails, the fax machine's out of paper
[01:12:40.120 --> 01:12:44.040]  and toner because of so many faxes, because people are so upset, so it's just like, oh
[01:12:44.040 --> 01:12:46.160]  my god, okay, just fix it.
[01:12:46.160 --> 01:12:50.120]  Just do whatever these people want, so they'll leave me alone.
[01:12:50.120 --> 01:12:52.880]  There is that aspect, too.
[01:12:52.880 --> 01:12:57.160]  I met Patrick Rose when Catherine Albrecht was in town, because we went to his office
[01:12:57.160 --> 01:13:07.440]  when we were fighting the RFID mandatory tipping in San Marcos for the pets, and of course
[01:13:07.440 --> 01:13:14.520]  he was very aloof, very hard to talk to and in a hurry, but I have to say that his aide
[01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:20.960]  and the girl that we spoke to in his office was really nice and informative and listened
[01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:25.280]  and all that, so I was pretty impressed with her.
[01:13:25.280 --> 01:13:29.920]  I wasn't very impressed with him.
[01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:35.880]  I kind of got... When I used to see him on TV, I thought, this is a real guy that's really
[01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:42.040]  out to help the real people, and I don't know what happens to all these people, because
[01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:50.040]  I had Bruce McCracken help me with... We changed the water policy in the city of Austin
[01:13:50.040 --> 01:13:54.720]  back in 2005, and I don't know what happens to these people.
[01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.680]  It's almost like the Stefford wives, where once they get involved, it's like somebody
[01:13:58.680 --> 01:14:00.480]  puts a chip in them and they change.
[01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:01.480]  I have not figured it out.
[01:14:01.480 --> 01:14:04.240]  No, it's not necessarily that way.
[01:14:04.240 --> 01:14:10.520]  They get in office, and all of a sudden they've got stuff coming at them from every direction.
[01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:18.040]  Everybody who speaks to them wants something, and they have to deal with all kinds of issues
[01:14:18.040 --> 01:14:21.680]  all the time, so they tend to insulate themselves.
[01:14:21.680 --> 01:14:28.480]  Well, while it may seem annoying to you, it's also their weakness.
[01:14:28.480 --> 01:14:35.280]  The wheel that squeaks the loudest tends to overshadow all of the other wheels.
[01:14:35.280 --> 01:14:41.040]  Yeah, and let me just give a parable here, and this is a lesson in the Bible basically
[01:14:41.040 --> 01:14:43.660]  about prayer.
[01:14:43.660 --> 01:14:50.120]  The Lord gave a lesson about the unrighteous judge, and the lesson was there was this unrighteous
[01:14:50.120 --> 01:14:56.640]  judge who would not grant this widow relief, so this widow was trying to get some relief.
[01:14:56.640 --> 01:15:01.720]  She was trying to sue somebody or something, and so the unrighteous judge wouldn't hear
[01:15:01.720 --> 01:15:07.560]  a case, wouldn't hear a case, kept blowing her off, but this widow just kept going to
[01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.920]  him and kept going to him and kept pounding him and banging on his door in the middle
[01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:17.320]  of the night and everything, and so finally this unrighteous judge granted her what she
[01:15:17.320 --> 01:15:24.680]  wanted not because she had a right to it or because she deserved it, but because he was
[01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:31.320]  just tired of being bothered by her, okay, and so back to the squeaky wheel, the grease.
[01:15:31.320 --> 01:15:35.920]  Luke 18, that's absolutely my favorite, my favorite scripture.
[01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:43.320]  Yes, exactly, and the lesson here is about prayer, and the Lord is saying that those
[01:15:43.320 --> 01:15:49.760]  who pray will get what they're praying for eventually in the end, so we just have to
[01:15:49.760 --> 01:15:53.320]  keep hounding these people is the point, just hound them and hound them and hound them and
[01:15:53.320 --> 01:15:59.400]  don't stop, and don't be like a, don't be stalking or harassing, don't get to the point
[01:15:59.400 --> 01:16:05.040]  where it's like an illegal activity, but we have to petition for redress.
[01:16:05.040 --> 01:16:07.960]  Keep bringing the reality too.
[01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:11.920]  These are public officials, you can harass public officials.
[01:16:11.920 --> 01:16:16.680]  Well I just, I am thankful that there are people, all of you guys are out there working
[01:16:16.680 --> 01:16:24.120]  to keep all the people in touch with these situations, and like I said, I don't have
[01:16:24.120 --> 01:16:30.680]  any children, mine have four feet and fur, but I will definitely, you know, make sure
[01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:34.680]  my friends that have kids know, and I just thank you guys for doing it and keeping us
[01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:35.680]  updated.
[01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:36.680]  All right, thank you Lisa.
[01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:37.680]  Thanks, bye.
[01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:39.480]  Okay, bye-bye, we're going to let you go.
[01:16:39.480 --> 01:16:43.400]  We're going to take Jay from New York next, while we still have Joanna on the line, then
[01:16:43.400 --> 01:16:47.720]  we'll go back to Jeff in Michigan and address this traffic issue.
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[01:18:03.480 --> 01:18:26.800]  All right.
[01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:27.800]  We are back.
[01:18:27.800 --> 01:18:30.760]  Ain't going to fool us the same old tricks again.
[01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:34.000]  I'm not going to be blindsided anymore.
[01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:40.320]  Boy, they managed to blindside a lot of us with this adding this bill on as an amendment
[01:18:40.320 --> 01:18:41.320]  to another bill.
[01:18:41.320 --> 01:18:43.280]  We're going to do something about it.
[01:18:43.280 --> 01:18:44.280]  We're not going to stand for it.
[01:18:44.280 --> 01:18:45.280]  All right.
[01:18:45.280 --> 01:18:47.400]  We're about to move on to your calls.
[01:18:47.400 --> 01:18:51.480]  But first, speaking of scriptures, Joanna, you wanted to quote us a scripture from Isaiah
[01:18:51.480 --> 01:18:52.480]  that's very applicable.
[01:18:52.480 --> 01:18:53.480]  Yeah.
[01:18:53.480 --> 01:18:58.760]  Isaiah 10-1, how terrible it will be for those who make unfair laws and those who write laws
[01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:01.040]  that make life hard for people.
[01:19:01.040 --> 01:19:04.240]  They are not fair to the poor and they rob my people of their rights.
[01:19:04.240 --> 01:19:08.280]  They allow people to steal from widows and to take from orphans what really belongs to
[01:19:08.280 --> 01:19:09.280]  them.
[01:19:09.280 --> 01:19:11.560]  How will you explain the things you have done?
[01:19:11.560 --> 01:19:12.560]  Indeed.
[01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:17.760]  How will you explain the things you have done, Mr. Kirk Watson and Mr. Peter Rose?
[01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:18.760]  Patrick.
[01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:19.760]  Patrick.
[01:19:19.760 --> 01:19:20.760]  Sorry.
[01:19:20.760 --> 01:19:21.760]  Patrick Rose.
[01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:22.760]  How are you going to explain it?
[01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:23.760]  How are you going to explain it?
[01:19:23.760 --> 01:19:24.760]  All right.
[01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:26.720]  Well, we're going to go on to your calls now.
[01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:30.880]  If you have a question or comment that is not on point, I'm going to ask you to hold
[01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.160]  so that we can move on while we still have our guest.
[01:19:33.160 --> 01:19:34.160]  All right.
[01:19:34.160 --> 01:19:35.160]  We're going to go now to Jay.
[01:19:35.160 --> 01:19:38.400]  And I see you on the board here, Steve Skidmore.
[01:19:38.400 --> 01:19:42.360]  I'm pretty sure he's... Well, now he dropped off.
[01:19:42.360 --> 01:19:43.360]  He was calling in earlier.
[01:19:43.360 --> 01:19:44.360]  Okay.
[01:19:44.360 --> 01:19:45.360]  Jay.
[01:19:45.360 --> 01:19:46.360]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:19:46.360 --> 01:19:47.360]  You have a question or comment for our guest?
[01:19:47.360 --> 01:19:48.360]  I just want to say hi to everybody.
[01:19:48.360 --> 01:19:49.360]  But my question is all complex.
[01:19:49.360 --> 01:19:50.360]  I'll just hold that one online.
[01:19:50.360 --> 01:19:51.360]  Okay.
[01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:52.360]  Just hold on.
[01:19:52.360 --> 01:19:53.360]  All right.
[01:19:53.360 --> 01:19:57.360]  We're going to go now to Hans.
[01:19:57.360 --> 01:20:01.360]  Hans, you have a question or comment for our guest?
[01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:02.360]  Yeah.
[01:20:02.360 --> 01:20:05.040]  I wanted to pose kind of a theory.
[01:20:05.040 --> 01:20:10.400]  If we remove ourselves from the Republican Democrat, and I'm not as in touch with our
[01:20:10.400 --> 01:20:21.160]  Capitol Hill, but as to the reality, but if I remove myself and I looked at the connection
[01:20:21.160 --> 01:20:30.920]  of a global interest, maybe Kirk Watson with the Campo, and the other things with the highways
[01:20:30.920 --> 01:20:39.600]  with Rick Perry, I wonder, here's the pose, is this a ball that he's throwing Rick Perry
[01:20:39.600 --> 01:20:47.000]  so Rick Perry can cash in on conservative interests and have a political football, so
[01:20:47.000 --> 01:20:48.000]  to speak?
[01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:53.040]  So I just want to pose that idea, and I just maybe hear some comments about it.
[01:20:53.040 --> 01:21:01.040]  It's thinking outside of the two parties and looking at them as it would benefit.
[01:21:01.040 --> 01:21:04.960]  So I just thought if I pose that idea, I don't know how realistic it is, but nevertheless.
[01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:10.680]  Well, you kind of would have had all of the senators and all of the representatives since
[01:21:10.680 --> 01:21:12.960]  they unanimously passed it.
[01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:16.080]  You kind of might have had to have all of them in on that.
[01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:22.320]  Well, yeah, I understand that part about it, but here now I still play a role.
[01:21:22.320 --> 01:21:28.080]  Well, it sounds like everybody got stuck under the rug, that everybody didn't get it, so
[01:21:28.080 --> 01:21:29.080]  they wouldn't have been in that.
[01:21:29.080 --> 01:21:38.120]  So anyways, I just thought it's an interesting idea, since we're always saying things you
[01:21:38.120 --> 01:21:39.120]  know.
[01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:43.640]  Well, I don't know if they'd be willing to risk this though, because I mean, if you read
[01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:52.440]  the ruling about the FLDS, the Supreme Court opinion on the Third Court of Appeals ruling,
[01:21:52.440 --> 01:21:57.400]  and if you read the Gary Gates decision, you can definitely see where this language came
[01:21:57.400 --> 01:22:00.240]  from and why they did it, trying to-
[01:22:00.240 --> 01:22:06.080]  Yeah, I just felt like you said that the people who voted for this, sadly, you know, did it
[01:22:06.080 --> 01:22:08.840]  unknowingly, and the ones who did, I get a shame on them, but-
[01:22:08.840 --> 01:22:14.800]  Well, and you have to remember, the child protection industry is all about erring on
[01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:17.000]  the child or on the side of the child.
[01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:18.000]  That's always the argument.
[01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:19.520]  Well, we did all these horrible things.
[01:22:19.520 --> 01:22:21.280]  We drugged all these kids in foster care.
[01:22:21.280 --> 01:22:26.280]  We took these kids away when we shouldn't have, oh, they got abused seven times more
[01:22:26.280 --> 01:22:30.680]  likely to be abused in a foster home, but we did that to protect the child.
[01:22:30.680 --> 01:22:35.920]  They just keep turning that out, saying that over and over, it's their mantra, and it helps
[01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:40.920]  them sleep at night, but the statistics play out that it's not protecting the child.
[01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:41.920]  Yeah.
[01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:44.920]  And so that's how they say it.
[01:22:44.920 --> 01:22:51.920]  It is working, though, in that favor, though, that, you know, when somebody, I mean, you
[01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:56.920]  know, the, you know, give me an issue that I can lift the hero type of part, and I just-
[01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:57.920]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:22:57.920 --> 01:22:58.920]  I think it is playing that way.
[01:22:58.920 --> 01:23:03.920]  I mean, it should be a no-brainer, you know, repairing just out of integrity, saying no
[01:23:03.920 --> 01:23:09.920]  way, no how, I don't know how this is going to, you know, this is against the Fourth Amendment,
[01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:16.920]  and it's not the fact that I'm against children, but this, you know, it's not, you know, anyway,
[01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:19.920]  it's just a thought I thought I'd carry out when-
[01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:23.920]  Yeah, and he definitely has an out with the way that he vetoed the first bill.
[01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:29.920]  He definitely already has a precedent set with the language and the reason that he vetoed
[01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.920]  the first bill of this session that he vetoed.
[01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:32.920]  Right, exactly.
[01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:35.920]  So, I mean, he can do this for the people.
[01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:41.920]  And to me, I don't care if it's political, if you want to look, don't do this to families.
[01:23:41.920 --> 01:23:45.920]  Don't do this to the families that I already help.
[01:23:45.920 --> 01:23:49.920]  Don't do this to the rest of the Texas children.
[01:23:49.920 --> 01:23:50.920]  Right.
[01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:55.920]  You know, I think that, you know, what's the confidence that they, is this tool so important
[01:23:55.920 --> 01:23:59.920]  that they can't operate in the laws that they have to protect the child already?
[01:23:59.920 --> 01:24:05.920]  I mean, are they that delinquent in being effective that one more law gets given that much more?
[01:24:05.920 --> 01:24:06.920]  Well, we'll see.
[01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:09.920]  That's a great point because statistically, they have plenty of children.
[01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:13.920]  They're taking them in record numbers just fine with the current laws.
[01:24:13.920 --> 01:24:15.920]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:24:15.920 --> 01:24:17.920]  So why not, you know, leave it alone?
[01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:23.920]  You know, they have to, I know this is not in their thinking, but they have to have a balance
[01:24:23.920 --> 01:24:30.920]  because when they come in the home, they instabilize the home, they have to realize that they have to have
[01:24:30.920 --> 01:24:37.920]  some way to leave that home intact so that it's not at a total wreck because for all the good that
[01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:44.920]  they're going to do, you know, it's kind of like fine-tuning the hot rod and you go too far
[01:24:44.920 --> 01:24:46.920]  and the engine blows, you know.
[01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:47.920]  Right.
[01:24:47.920 --> 01:24:51.920]  Well, see, Hans, I'm afraid some of the, there's a very unfortunate situation,
[01:24:51.920 --> 01:24:57.920]  which is that our government is involved in child trafficking, okay, human trafficking.
[01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:04.920]  And I think that this is just another way to make it that much easier on the government to grab
[01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:09.920]  people's children and send them off into the child traffic rings.
[01:25:09.920 --> 01:25:16.920]  And this is a very unfortunate situation, but that is what is going on, you know.
[01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:21.920]  For some people who have faced the music about those issues, I think you're right head on,
[01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:25.920]  but it's a hard sell to some people who haven't actually done their homework.
[01:25:25.920 --> 01:25:32.920]  Well, the bottom line is that anybody can see that they should not be able to do these things
[01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:34.920]  without probable cause and without having a warrant.
[01:25:34.920 --> 01:25:35.920]  Right.
[01:25:35.920 --> 01:25:36.920]  I agree.
[01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:37.920]  That's the bottom line.
[01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:40.920]  Yeah, but if people would know what you just said, that would help them.
[01:25:40.920 --> 01:25:41.920]  Yes.
[01:25:41.920 --> 01:25:42.920]  All right.
[01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:45.920]  Well, listen, Hans, we need to move on because we're coming on to the end of the segment
[01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:49.920]  and we need to close out with our guests so that our other callers who have other issues
[01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:51.920]  can present their questions.
[01:25:51.920 --> 01:25:52.920]  All right.
[01:25:52.920 --> 01:25:53.920]  Thank you, Hans.
[01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:54.920]  Okay.
[01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:55.920]  We have a few minutes left in this segment.
[01:25:55.920 --> 01:26:02.920]  So if you just would give us a wrap up here, Joanna, that would be great about, you know,
[01:26:02.920 --> 01:26:07.920]  your Web site and what people can do at this point in time, other resources.
[01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:12.920]  What can people do who are maybe having problems right now with CPS?
[01:26:12.920 --> 01:26:16.920]  Well, parentguidancecenter.org, that's our Web site.
[01:26:16.920 --> 01:26:21.920]  We exclusively advocate for parents that are involved with the CPS system.
[01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:26.920]  What they can do is call the governor, call the governor, call the governor, ask him to veto it,
[01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:32.920]  Senate Bill 1440, that's the most important thing, and then call your local state representative
[01:26:32.920 --> 01:26:35.920]  and state senator and tell them, hey, why'd you vote for this?
[01:26:35.920 --> 01:26:37.920]  Because they all did.
[01:26:37.920 --> 01:26:39.920]  And let them know that you don't like it.
[01:26:39.920 --> 01:26:42.920]  And you'll be calling them when that court order comes.
[01:26:42.920 --> 01:26:47.920]  If they let this go, you'll be calling their office when the court order comes to their porch.
[01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:53.920]  And they have to make a choice of whether to be held in contempt or assert their Fourth Amendment rights
[01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:56.920]  or, you know, make those decisions.
[01:26:56.920 --> 01:26:58.920]  That's what needs to be done.
[01:26:58.920 --> 01:27:03.920]  And as for the families that are involved with the system right now, I mean, we advocate for them.
[01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:05.920]  We try to get them what they need.
[01:27:05.920 --> 01:27:09.920]  We're never saying that abuse and neglect doesn't occur.
[01:27:09.920 --> 01:27:11.920]  What we're saying is when you investigate it, follow the law.
[01:27:11.920 --> 01:27:15.920]  When you are involved with the family, follow the law.
[01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:17.920]  When you return the child, follow the law.
[01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:18.920]  Follow the law.
[01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:21.920]  That's always what we're trying to hold them accountable.
[01:27:21.920 --> 01:27:24.920]  And I have to say, the Department of Family Protective Services,
[01:27:24.920 --> 01:27:31.920]  after these court rulings had all kinds of discussions, we talked to them.
[01:27:31.920 --> 01:27:39.920]  I kept getting alerts they were changing their policies and procedures to make sure that everyone understood.
[01:27:39.920 --> 01:27:41.920]  What I'm telling you is it hasn't trickled down,
[01:27:41.920 --> 01:27:48.920]  and you still have a system designed where there's this avenue for abuse of power in this, you know,
[01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:53.920]  22-year-old just graduated from college, has no kids, and has never been married,
[01:27:53.920 --> 01:27:56.920]  and they're judging a family who has issues.
[01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.920]  That's still a problem with an investigator coming into your home.
[01:28:00.920 --> 01:28:08.920]  That's going to remain a problem until we shore up the standards for the types of people that we allow into that position.
[01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:13.920]  But Senate Bill 1440 is affecting all families.
[01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:19.920]  The moment it is signed, you can have someone at your door with this court order,
[01:28:19.920 --> 01:28:23.920]  and you're going to be making that choice, and I don't think it's a choice you want to have to make.
[01:28:23.920 --> 01:28:27.920]  Well, it sounds to me like even people who are not involved with kids could be in harm's way as well,
[01:28:27.920 --> 01:28:32.920]  because, you know, some government agent or whatever had it out for me because I'm a talk show host.
[01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:37.920]  They could have somebody make an anonymous, bogus report and say,
[01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:42.920]  well, Deb and her husband are babysitting so-and-so's kids this weekend and abusing them,
[01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:47.920]  and I don't even know anything about it, and I don't even have any kids at my house, and I never do.
[01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:53.920]  But I could get some CPS worker on my doorstep wanting to run through my house,
[01:28:53.920 --> 01:28:57.920]  and everything finding evidence of me abusing a child when I've never even had a child,
[01:28:57.920 --> 01:28:59.920]  and I've never babysitted since I was like 12 years old.
[01:28:59.920 --> 01:29:03.920]  That's right, because it would be based on the information that they had off of the anonymous phone call.
[01:29:03.920 --> 01:29:04.920]  This is horrible.
[01:29:04.920 --> 01:29:07.920]  So it really does put everyone in harm's way, not just people who are babysitting.
[01:29:07.920 --> 01:29:08.920]  That's right.
[01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:09.920]  That's right.
[01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:10.920]  Okay, so.
[01:29:10.920 --> 01:29:11.920]  Call the governor.
[01:29:11.920 --> 01:29:13.920]  Ask him to veto Senate Bill 1440.
[01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:19.920]  And I'm with Randy when I say that I just don't see how this is going to fly very long.
[01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:25.920]  I think even if it does pass, the very first case that comes up, it's going to get thrown out.
[01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:27.920]  The law is going to get overturned.
[01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:31.920]  And I know the department itself, they didn't ask for this.
[01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:35.920]  They did the work they needed to do after these court rulings,
[01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:38.920]  and they don't want to be coming to the door with these.
[01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:39.920]  Yeah, I'm sure.
[01:29:39.920 --> 01:29:40.920]  I'll tell you right now.
[01:29:40.920 --> 01:29:41.920]  I'm sure.
[01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:43.920]  All right, well, listen, we're going to break now.
[01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:45.920]  We want to thank you for joining us tonight, Joanna.
[01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:46.920]  Thank you.
[01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:47.920]  Thank you.
[01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:49.920]  We'll have you back again sometime.
[01:29:49.920 --> 01:29:52.920]  All right, we're going to go now to Jeff and Jay on the other side of the break.
[01:29:52.920 --> 01:29:55.920]  Callers 512-646-1984.
[01:29:55.920 --> 01:29:58.920]  We'll be right back.
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[01:30:52.920 --> 01:30:54.920]  We are Roberts & Roberts Brokerage.
[01:30:54.920 --> 01:30:58.920]  800-874-9760.
[01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:13.920]  Yeah, who you want to chip? Do you think we're free to leave?
[01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:28.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:31:28.920 --> 01:31:43.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:31:43.920 --> 01:31:58.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:31:58.920 --> 01:32:13.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:28.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:43.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:58.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:13.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:28.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:50.920]  We are Roberts Brokerage.
[01:33:50.920 --> 01:33:53.920]  Okay, we are back. This is the rule of law.
[01:33:53.920 --> 01:33:55.920]  I'm not sure where Randy Kelton is.
[01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:57.920]  He dropped off a line or something.
[01:33:57.920 --> 01:33:59.920]  I'm going to try to find him.
[01:33:59.920 --> 01:34:01.920]  Sorry about the break going on so long.
[01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:05.920]  I'm going to try to answer your questions the best I can until I can get him back.
[01:34:05.920 --> 01:34:07.920]  Oh, okay, there you are.
[01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:09.920]  All right, I don't know what happened.
[01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:11.920]  I've been trying to get a hold of Randy for the last three minutes.
[01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:16.920]  Anyways, we're going to go now to your calls.
[01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:19.920]  Jeff in Michigan.
[01:34:19.920 --> 01:34:21.920]  Okay, Jeff, thanks for calling in.
[01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:23.920]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.920]  Funny you should say what you did, Deborah.
[01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:37.920]  Recently somebody over at Infowars had their child nearly snatched by CPS up in Austin a week or two ago.
[01:34:37.920 --> 01:34:49.920]  But what I needed to talk to Randy about is I got a ticket for no tail light and no insurance.
[01:34:49.920 --> 01:34:53.920]  They U-turned around me. I pulled up. I stopped, got out of my car.
[01:34:53.920 --> 01:35:00.920]  They forced me at threat of a jail or tasering to get back into my car, played the word game with them,
[01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:05.920]  and decided to hand over my person's license under duress.
[01:35:05.920 --> 01:35:10.920]  I told them, you're doing this, you're forcing me, so I'll give it to you.
[01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:12.920]  So he comes back.
[01:35:12.920 --> 01:35:15.920]  He says, I know you're recording this. I'm recording it too.
[01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:18.920]  I'm going to give you this. I know you're not going to sign it.
[01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:24.920]  I pulled in a ticket that the cop did not sign.
[01:35:24.920 --> 01:35:26.920]  You still there?
[01:35:26.920 --> 01:35:28.920]  Yes.
[01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:29.920]  Wait a minute.
[01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:31.920]  Yeah, the cop did not sign the ticket.
[01:35:31.920 --> 01:35:37.920]  So I took it the next day to the notary public with an affidavit and got it notarized.
[01:35:37.920 --> 01:35:40.920]  So this is not a valid instrument.
[01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:44.920]  I did not consent to this form proceeding.
[01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:52.920]  It's deficient, the works, and turned it in the next day to the city, and I got a copy of them filing it.
[01:35:52.920 --> 01:36:01.920]  Twenty-some days later, I got default judgment notices that I owe like $340 or some kind of thing.
[01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:08.920]  So my plan is to write an affidavit in the form of a petition for voided judgment
[01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:14.920]  and enclose all these documents and send it up to the circuit court,
[01:36:14.920 --> 01:36:20.920]  or I'm real tempted to try what your friend Mike did because I listen to that archive all the time
[01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:24.920]  and go up there and say, how would you like me to pay this?
[01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.920]  And they'll say cash and, you know, what do you mean, Federal Reserve notes?
[01:36:28.920 --> 01:36:29.920]  Yeah, Federal Reserve notes.
[01:36:29.920 --> 01:36:31.920]  Well, that's a crime. That's against public policy.
[01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:37.920]  I'll sign it accepted for value. Is that okay?
[01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:48.920]  I would suggest that you have in effect challenged the jurisdiction of the court
[01:36:48.920 --> 01:36:56.920]  by claiming that since the officer failed to sign the instrument, you have no accuser,
[01:36:56.920 --> 01:37:05.920]  and the court moved ahead anyway, filed criminally against the court for impersonating a public official
[01:37:05.920 --> 01:37:10.920]  and raised the issue that the filing in the court was insufficient
[01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:14.920]  to invoke the subject matter jurisdiction of the court.
[01:37:14.920 --> 01:37:19.920]  Therefore, the court had no authority and was acting under color of law,
[01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:26.920]  is no different than you if you go out and rent a uniform and pretend you're a police officer.
[01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.920]  That's a crime in every state. So file that against the judge.
[01:37:30.920 --> 01:37:34.920]  Bring the question where it should be.
[01:37:34.920 --> 01:37:43.920]  Who are you? What authority do you have to hold me to answer to you?
[01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:45.920]  That's my suggestion.
[01:37:45.920 --> 01:37:52.920]  Wow. See, that's scary because there's a guy that is in Missouri right now.
[01:37:52.920 --> 01:37:57.920]  He's been in jail for the last couple of weeks because he filed criminal charges against the judge,
[01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:04.920]  and the judge in a small town sent his storm troopers after him and bogusly arrested him
[01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:10.920]  for I guess the charge is that he filed the charges against the judge.
[01:38:10.920 --> 01:38:12.920]  No, that can't be.
[01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.920]  Yeah. It sounds like a bad idea.
[01:38:15.920 --> 01:38:23.920]  What you're saying is if I do what I need to do, they might do something bad to me.
[01:38:23.920 --> 01:38:27.920]  If that's the case, go pay the ticket.
[01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:33.920]  Well, this is what happened to Roy. It's happening right now at DarioBush.com.
[01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:37.920]  Dario's helping them out and filed like three habeas corpuses so far.
[01:38:37.920 --> 01:38:41.920]  They've got him a $25,000 cash bond.
[01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:46.920]  He's deposed three of the judges in his town there, and the one that signed the warrant
[01:38:46.920 --> 01:38:50.920]  or that didn't even sign the warrant, the one that sent the proceeding out
[01:38:50.920 --> 01:38:54.920]  or the warrant out for him, left town.
[01:38:54.920 --> 01:38:58.920]  It's just Mickey Mouse.
[01:38:58.920 --> 01:39:05.920]  You're saying he left town?
[01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:06.920]  It was a female judge.
[01:39:06.920 --> 01:39:14.920]  Yeah, she left town the day that she supposedly sent the warrant out for the arrest.
[01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:18.920]  Have they filed federal complaints against him yet?
[01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:29.920]  They brought in the FBI, and the FBI said call the ACLU.
[01:39:29.920 --> 01:39:31.920]  There are a lot of filings that you can make.
[01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:36.920]  You need to petition the district court for writ of mandamus,
[01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:39.920]  ordering them to drop the case.
[01:39:39.920 --> 01:39:45.920]  What's he in jail for? Is there a charge against him?
[01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:48.920]  I think the charge is his criminal complaint against the judge.
[01:39:48.920 --> 01:39:52.920]  There is no such charge, so they've got to have a charge.
[01:39:52.920 --> 01:39:58.920]  No, you're saying that these guys just grabbed him and threw him in jail for no cause.
[01:39:58.920 --> 01:40:00.920]  There's cause.
[01:40:00.920 --> 01:40:04.920]  Okay, when you get this kind of stuff and you go down there and check,
[01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:10.920]  you find there's more to the story than you're hearing.
[01:40:10.920 --> 01:40:16.920]  So what else did he do besides file criminal charges against the judge?
[01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:27.920]  I was just on a conference call with Dario, who's doing all the filings for him.
[01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.920]  I suspect he knows what he's doing and all this.
[01:40:30.920 --> 01:40:37.920]  He says he's filed three habeas corpus, he says.
[01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:40.920]  This is the story that he's telling me just a couple hours ago,
[01:40:40.920 --> 01:40:42.920]  and I've been following it for the last week.
[01:40:42.920 --> 01:40:47.920]  He's been in jail for just the 28th, 29th or longer.
[01:40:47.920 --> 01:40:55.920]  It was like the 13 days after he put in the order against the judge
[01:40:55.920 --> 01:41:01.920]  that a cop that witnessed him at the courthouse swore some kind of thing against him,
[01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:03.920]  and he took it straight to the judge, and the judge said,
[01:41:03.920 --> 01:41:12.920]  go get him, disregarded the criminal complaint and sent out a warrant for him.
[01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:21.920]  Okay, so now a police officer made an allegation against him.
[01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:22.920]  What was the allegation?
[01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:25.920]  That he just witnessed him at the courthouse doing that,
[01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:28.920]  and that's what they based their warrant on.
[01:41:28.920 --> 01:41:32.920]  No, no, they had to say something.
[01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:35.920]  This guy was at the courthouse, arrested.
[01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:36.920]  There's got to be more than that.
[01:41:36.920 --> 01:41:38.920]  Well, I'm not going to hold story here.
[01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:42.920]  They had to have charged him with something.
[01:41:42.920 --> 01:41:46.920]  They're trying to do that to me in Cherokee County.
[01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:51.920]  I filed 50-some-odd criminal complaints with the grand jury there,
[01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:56.920]  and I got notice to appear at court.
[01:41:56.920 --> 01:41:59.920]  Since I'm out of the county, they just couldn't just run out and arrest me.
[01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:03.920]  Apparently, there's a warrant out for my arrest now.
[01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:05.920]  But they have a charge.
[01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:13.920]  They have accused me of operating an investigating company without a license.
[01:42:13.920 --> 01:42:16.920]  Now, that's probably about as stupid a charge as they could have come up with,
[01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:18.920]  but they've got one.
[01:42:18.920 --> 01:42:23.920]  They have a charge against this guy.
[01:42:23.920 --> 01:42:27.920]  And we can't, you know, just to say that if you make a criminal complaint
[01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:30.920]  against a judge, they're going to grab you up and throw you in jail
[01:42:30.920 --> 01:42:32.920]  for making the complaint against a judge.
[01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:39.920]  That sounds like the kind of stuff the government puts out to terrify us,
[01:42:39.920 --> 01:42:47.920]  to think that anything you do can result in your going to jail with no recourse.
[01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:51.920]  Well, these are guys that are heavily involved in this commerce technology
[01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:59.920]  and really working it and really taking power back and, you know, and exposing the corruption.
[01:42:59.920 --> 01:43:03.920]  And I think he just got lucky and hit, like, the most corrupt,
[01:43:03.920 --> 01:43:07.920]  you know, backwards redneck judge little town that he could get.
[01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:11.920]  Well, if all he's doing is working the commercial,
[01:43:11.920 --> 01:43:14.920]  then he's got one hand tied behind his back.
[01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:25.920]  And when you try to use the commercial in the criminal, I haven't seen it be very effective at all.
[01:43:25.920 --> 01:43:28.920]  You have a lot more tools to use.
[01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:34.920]  Has anybody filed criminal charges, bar grievances, judicial conduct complaints against the judge?
[01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:36.920]  I'm going to skip right, go ahead.
[01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:44.920]  Petition for court of inquiry, criminal charges with your local district attorney.
[01:43:44.920 --> 01:43:50.920]  Criminal charges file against the judge with every magistrate in the county.
[01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:55.920]  And when the county refuses to take complaint, file against the magistrate.
[01:43:55.920 --> 01:44:00.920]  But when you write your complaints, write them carefully.
[01:44:00.920 --> 01:44:03.920]  Write them in accordance with law.
[01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:09.920]  They're going to have a problem with me because all of my complaints are written very carefully in accordance with law.
[01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:16.920]  And they're written in statutory law, not common law or not commercial law.
[01:44:16.920 --> 01:44:24.920]  I say the person did this thing and what I accuse them of doing, they will readily admit to.
[01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:30.920]  And then I maintain doing this thing violates this law.
[01:44:30.920 --> 01:44:33.920]  I'm very clear about it.
[01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:37.920]  If any attorney reads it, it looks like something an attorney would write.
[01:44:37.920 --> 01:44:42.920]  I don't make any unfounded allegations.
[01:44:42.920 --> 01:44:46.920]  I don't call him names.
[01:44:46.920 --> 01:45:02.920]  But, you know, what you're saying is telling everybody, don't you even think about trying to express some of your rights because these guys will do bad things to you.
[01:45:02.920 --> 01:45:05.920]  From my perspective.
[01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:09.920]  I hope there's something that they're just not telling me.
[01:45:09.920 --> 01:45:12.920]  But I'm going to go after you.
[01:45:12.920 --> 01:45:23.920]  Now, it's likely to be a bogus charge, but if they're addressing this with the commercial law, I'm not surprised that he's still in jail.
[01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:30.920]  Well, I don't know how much of the statute expertise they have or not, you know, but.
[01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:32.920]  He could be right.
[01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:38.920]  This could be one of those really incredibly outrageous cases.
[01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:45.920]  And if that's the case, it really is an incredibly outrageous case and it will never stand up as it moves through the courts.
[01:45:45.920 --> 01:45:48.920]  This will all come back to haunt them.
[01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:49.920]  These things happen.
[01:45:49.920 --> 01:46:04.920]  I mean, Robert, there's this movie called Hijacking Humanity and the videographer, the photographer, producer, whatever, that movie with Robert Arthur Menard and Jason Bermes and other people.
[01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:06.920]  He was pulled over.
[01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:08.920]  He was a cameraman for Robert Arthur Menard.
[01:46:08.920 --> 01:46:17.920]  He was pulled over and the county in Canada that he's in or the province requires front license plates.
[01:46:17.920 --> 01:46:19.920]  And he's from the next one who didn't.
[01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:21.920]  So first they let him pass.
[01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:22.920]  Then they said, hey, pull over, pull over.
[01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:24.920]  And they threw him.
[01:46:24.920 --> 01:46:28.920]  They assaulted him, threw him in jail for like nine weeks.
[01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:42.920]  And he stood his ground using nothing more than commerce technology as taught by Robert Arthur Menard and various other people and stood up to these people and the immigration and the courts.
[01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:52.920]  And he gives blow-by-blow reports on his Web site on YouTube.
[01:46:52.920 --> 01:47:08.920]  And it's just amazing that he would have the courage to stand his ground and use this stuff and stick to it and beat them and put commercial names and turn the prosecutor into his judiciary or his fiduciary.
[01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:10.920]  Is he still after them?
[01:47:10.920 --> 01:47:13.920]  No, he beat them.
[01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:16.920]  He completely beat them into submission.
[01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:18.920]  Did he just win his case?
[01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:21.920]  Are these guys still in office?
[01:47:21.920 --> 01:47:23.920]  Well, it's Canada.
[01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:25.920]  He's not going to go after them.
[01:47:25.920 --> 01:47:27.920]  He's just lucky to be alive.
[01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:29.920]  He's in America, living in Canada.
[01:47:29.920 --> 01:47:37.920]  So they figure this is a win when he only spent nine weeks in jail for not having a front license plate?
[01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:43.920]  Well, what it was is he challenged it and stayed out of court.
[01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:45.920]  They Mickey-moused him around.
[01:47:45.920 --> 01:47:54.920]  Since he's associated with Robert Arthur Menard, who they wanted to get, they said, all right, we'll drop all this stuff, all this assaulting a police officer stuff.
[01:47:54.920 --> 01:48:04.920]  If you'll just sign this affidavit saying that Robert Arthur Menard charges people to learn this legal technology and legal advice, and he's charging to be a lawyer.
[01:48:04.920 --> 01:48:11.920]  So they're trying to trump up charges on him through his friend, which he refused to do, flat out refused to cooperate.
[01:48:11.920 --> 01:48:17.920]  So they went the hard way and tried to prosecute him for something that is not prosecutable.
[01:48:17.920 --> 01:48:20.920]  Okay, wait a minute.
[01:48:20.920 --> 01:48:27.920]  You just said that they would drop the charges of assaulting a police officer.
[01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:29.920]  Right. They trumped up all these things.
[01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:37.920]  They broke into his place, arrested him, and charged him with assaulting them.
[01:48:37.920 --> 01:48:49.920]  To get him to sign an affidavit lying about Robert Arthur Menard, to incriminate Robert Arthur Menard, who is beating them hands down left and right in the Canadian courts so much that they don't even want him around.
[01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:55.920]  He walks in and they say, get the hell out of here, kind of like the way you have had an effect around your stuff.
[01:48:55.920 --> 01:49:09.920]  This comes with the territory. And if you're afraid that something bad will happen to you, then you need not to fight them.
[01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:14.920]  Yeah, and Randy, also we have a bunch of callers stacking up on the board. We've only got like eight minutes left.
[01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:20.920]  Okay, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, but if you're afraid of them, then stay away from them.
[01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:30.920]  There are some of us out here who are willing to take the risk. You know, I don't like it. I hate this, but it comes with the territory. We just have to risk it.
[01:49:30.920 --> 01:49:41.920]  We've got guys going overseas risking their life. The least we can do is risk a couple of bumps and bruises. We really need to move on.
[01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:46.920]  Okay, yeah, maybe we could talk about this some more tomorrow night just because we have so many people that are holding for a long time.
[01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:50.920]  All right, good night, Deborah. Okay, thanks. Okay, we're going to go to Jay in New York.
[01:49:50.920 --> 01:49:57.920]  We're going to have to limit these calls to about like two and a half minutes apiece. Go ahead, Jay.
[01:49:57.920 --> 01:50:01.920]  Hello, how's it going? Pretty good. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:12.920]  Basically, I was doing some research on an instrument called the commercial affidavit of truth. I was wondering if – is it valid? Has anybody heard of it?
[01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:21.920]  It's a commercial affidavit of truth. Somebody's made up that name for some document they've probably created.
[01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:30.920]  An affidavit of truth is any statement of facts. In a situation, it's just a statement of facts.
[01:50:30.920 --> 01:50:35.920]  Then you file it as an affidavit. It becomes an affidavit of fact or an affidavit of truth.
[01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:45.920]  You must be talking about some particular affidavit that someone has made up and called it an affidavit of truth.
[01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:49.920]  Can you give us a little more specifics about what it is or who did it?
[01:50:49.920 --> 01:50:55.920]  Basically, I got the information off of catfreedom.com.
[01:50:55.920 --> 01:50:57.920]  I haven't heard of that.
[01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:00.920]  Basically, what does it say?
[01:51:00.920 --> 01:51:09.920]  Basically, it's saying that they have no jurisdiction over anybody that filed it that has a problem in court.
[01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:17.920]  That's one of those magic wand things. It depends on what the circumstances are.
[01:51:17.920 --> 01:51:32.920]  If you're within the boundaries of a state, you have effectively entered into a contract with the state to obey the laws of the state.
[01:51:32.920 --> 01:51:42.920]  These guys want to do some magic incantation to make them totally immune from all law.
[01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:47.920]  Those will not work.
[01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:54.920]  Besides, an affidavit gives no duty to the court. The court can just ignore it.
[01:51:54.920 --> 01:52:00.920]  The only thing that pleadings and motions are what move the court, what invoke the duty of the court.
[01:52:00.920 --> 01:52:03.920]  An affidavit just stands as truth.
[01:52:03.920 --> 01:52:09.920]  But if it doesn't tell the court to do anything, he can just do anything he wants.
[01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:15.920]  I'm just trying to do a little research again. I've called you before. I have a federal case.
[01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:20.920]  I'm just warning you to be careful with that. Don't think that thing's going to protect you.
[01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:26.920]  Okay. I just want to do a little research. I'm just trying to figure out all different angles I could approach this.
[01:52:26.920 --> 01:52:28.920]  All right. Listen, Jay, I'm sorry.
[01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:32.920]  We have about five minutes left and two other callers, and one of them is Steve Skidmore,
[01:52:32.920 --> 01:52:35.920]  who's been holding since the beginning of the show.
[01:52:35.920 --> 01:52:36.920]  All right. I'll call back tomorrow.
[01:52:36.920 --> 01:52:39.920]  Yeah. Call back tomorrow night when we have more time.
[01:52:39.920 --> 01:52:44.920]  Is it possible to get a private like two minutes with somebody tomorrow?
[01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:49.920]  Send me an email, Randy at ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:50.920]  All righty.
[01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:54.920]  Okay. Thank you. Okay. All right. We're going to go to Steve Skidmore now.
[01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:57.920]  Steve, thanks for calling in and patiently holding. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:52:57.920 --> 01:53:01.920]  Oh, you're fine. I guess I've got to preface by apologizing for jumping on and off.
[01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:03.920]  I was trying to catch you between breaks.
[01:53:03.920 --> 01:53:04.920]  Oh, that's okay.
[01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:11.920]  Concerning traffic issues, traffic sick issues,
[01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:18.920]  I'm in the process right now of writing a notice for request of correction of records.
[01:53:18.920 --> 01:53:22.920]  Now, Randy, I'd kind of like to get your take on this.
[01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:30.920]  Do you think I'm wasting my time with this or could this possibly be effective by pointing out to the courts
[01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:41.920]  that the three essential elements of a quote-unquote crime since traffic citations are considered a criminal offense,
[01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:47.920]  that the court lacks subject matter jurisdiction to proceed with these
[01:53:47.920 --> 01:53:56.920]  and that any law enforcement agency who would apprehend someone for this also lacks subject matter jurisdiction,
[01:53:56.920 --> 01:54:02.920]  therefore committing a tort crime of false arrest and possibly false imprisonment
[01:54:02.920 --> 01:54:09.920]  and then setting themselves up for litigation for said tort crimes?
[01:54:09.920 --> 01:54:11.920]  What are your grounds?
[01:54:11.920 --> 01:54:17.920]  What are my grounds? My grounds are that the essential elements,
[01:54:17.920 --> 01:54:25.920]  well, since this is considered a criminal offense in at least the Travis County Court,
[01:54:25.920 --> 01:54:29.920]  that in order for there to be a crime, the three essential elements of a crime,
[01:54:29.920 --> 01:54:36.920]  a witness, a complaining party, withstanding, and a body of evidence in support of a claim of damage or a loss of right,
[01:54:36.920 --> 01:54:40.920]  must be in place and if one or more of these elements are gone, there is no...
[01:54:40.920 --> 01:54:43.920]  No, no, no, no. Where did you get that?
[01:54:43.920 --> 01:54:46.920]  Where did I get the essential element of a crime?
[01:54:46.920 --> 01:54:49.920]  Yes, somebody has to be harmed.
[01:54:49.920 --> 01:54:55.920]  Well, the harm would be damage or a loss of right or a deprivation of right.
[01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:57.920]  Where did you get that from?
[01:54:57.920 --> 01:55:02.920]  Where did I get that from? I cannot remember.
[01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:15.920]  That you have to have because the Code of Criminal Procedure clearly states that if a penal statute is violated...
[01:55:15.920 --> 01:55:18.920]  Wait a minute, Randy, we can't hear you. Can you speak up, please?
[01:55:18.920 --> 01:55:24.920]  If a penal statute is violated, the state is an injured party.
[01:55:24.920 --> 01:55:27.920]  So you have your injured party.
[01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:35.920]  When you're talking the elements of a crime, primarily a crime goes to mens rea, state of mind.
[01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:36.920]  Okay.
[01:55:36.920 --> 01:55:42.920]  They have to show either intent or criminal negligence.
[01:55:42.920 --> 01:55:48.920]  And for the most part, in traffic citations, they don't go to mens rea at all.
[01:55:48.920 --> 01:55:50.920]  If you're in Texas...
[01:55:50.920 --> 01:55:52.920]  Spell mens rea for me, would you, Randy?
[01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:53.920]  Pardon me?
[01:55:53.920 --> 01:55:56.920]  M-E-M-S-R-I-A?
[01:55:56.920 --> 01:55:58.920]  R-E-A, I think.
[01:55:58.920 --> 01:56:00.920]  Okay.
[01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:03.920]  But they either want to get you to the right spelling.
[01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:06.920]  That means mental state.
[01:56:06.920 --> 01:56:07.920]  Correct.
[01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:13.920]  You have to have crimes or acts of the mind, always.
[01:56:13.920 --> 01:56:18.920]  And not what you do, but it's how you hold your mind when you do it.
[01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:23.920]  But in Texas, in traffic, you have a lot more arguments than that.
[01:56:23.920 --> 01:56:29.920]  We'll have Eddie Craig on tomorrow night, and he is our traffic guy.
[01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:31.920]  Yes, he is.
[01:56:31.920 --> 01:56:36.920]  And he can answer this actually a lot more accurately than I can.
[01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:37.920]  Okay.
[01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:38.920]  Your specifics.
[01:56:38.920 --> 01:56:44.920]  But there's some more really very direct ways of going after this very issue.
[01:56:44.920 --> 01:56:47.920]  They have to show not only that you committed an act,
[01:56:47.920 --> 01:56:52.920]  but you committed it either intentionally or with criminal negligence,
[01:56:52.920 --> 01:56:54.920]  and they never even go to...
[01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:57.920]  And one more real quick point.
[01:56:57.920 --> 01:57:02.920]  I had formed a notice, and for your listeners and for yourself,
[01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:10.920]  in a notice to law enforcement agencies or members of law enforcement agencies,
[01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:15.920]  the Nuremberg Principle Number 4 states,
[01:57:15.920 --> 01:57:19.920]  the fact that a person acted pursuant to orders of his government or of a superior
[01:57:19.920 --> 01:57:23.920]  does not relieve him from responsibility under international law,
[01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:30.920]  provided a, quote, moral choice was in fact possible to him.
[01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:34.920]  And I ended my...
[01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:35.920]  You don't have to go there.
[01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:37.920] ...with that moral choice.
[01:57:37.920 --> 01:57:39.920]  You don't have to go there.
[01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:45.920]  In Texas state law, the case law says good faith is irrelevant.
[01:57:45.920 --> 01:57:51.920]  If an officer fails to follow law, his good faith is irrelevant.
[01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:53.920]  And that kind of goes to the screws doctrine.
[01:57:53.920 --> 01:57:56.920]  If a public official violates the ruling of this court,
[01:57:56.920 --> 01:58:01.920]  and he be saying, he may not be heard to say he knows not what he does.
[01:58:01.920 --> 01:58:04.920]  So we can do that in state law.
[01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:09.920]  Anytime you can, and for everybody...
[01:58:09.920 --> 01:58:12.920]  Thank you, Randy. I apologize to your last caller.
[01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:14.920]  Oh, that's okay.
[01:58:14.920 --> 01:58:18.920]  Stay in the state, in the county if you can,
[01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:23.920]  bring in the case law as close to the issue as you can get it.
[01:58:23.920 --> 01:58:26.920]  And here we got that one right here in the state, easy.
[01:58:26.920 --> 01:58:29.920]  All right. Well, thank you. Thank you for calling in, Steve.
[01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:30.920]  Sure. I'll call tomorrow.
[01:58:30.920 --> 01:58:31.920]  All righty.
[01:58:31.920 --> 01:58:32.920]  Bye-bye.
[01:58:32.920 --> 01:58:33.920]  All right. We're at the end of the show.
[01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:36.920]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:36.920 --> 01:58:40.920]  Tomorrow we'll be back with Eddie Craig, and we'll be taking your calls.
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