[00:00.000 --> 00:23.000] Every day you're wondering, wondering What will you do every day you're wondering, [00:23.000 --> 00:24.000] wondering? [00:24.000 --> 00:34.000] What will you do every day you're wondering, wondering? [00:34.000 --> 00:47.000] What will you do every day you're wondering, wondering? [00:47.000 --> 01:07.000] What will you do every day you're wondering, wondering? [01:07.000 --> 01:18.000] Do you believe in love? [01:18.000 --> 01:20.000] All right, we are back. [01:20.000 --> 01:25.000] The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens here on Rule of Law Radio. [01:25.000 --> 01:29.000] We're going into overtime and we're going to continue to take your calls. [01:29.000 --> 01:32.000] We've got Jay, Nolan, Gail and a few others. [01:32.000 --> 01:34.000] We're going to get to everyone. [01:34.000 --> 01:35.000] So just sit tight. [01:35.000 --> 01:36.000] We're still in the air. [01:36.000 --> 01:41.000] We are going to continue with Nolan. [01:41.000 --> 01:42.000] Okay. [01:42.000 --> 01:51.000] So, Randy, you were in the middle of explaining to him about the statutes and then we had to go to break. [01:51.000 --> 01:52.000] All right. [01:52.000 --> 01:56.000] Nolan, you said you were charged with driving without a license? [01:56.000 --> 01:58.000] Yes. [01:58.000 --> 01:59.000] Okay. [01:59.000 --> 02:13.000] In North Carolina, revised statutes, we are looking under Chapter 20, Motor Vehicles, Article 1, Section 32B, [02:13.000 --> 02:21.000] regular driver's license, a license to drive a commercial motor vehicle that is exempt from the commercial [02:21.000 --> 02:26.000] driver's license requirements or a noncommercial motor vehicle. [02:26.000 --> 02:30.000] So now we know what a regular driver's license is. [02:30.000 --> 02:31.000] Okay. [02:31.000 --> 02:40.000] Now you need to find the other parts such as what is a noncommercial motor vehicle versus a commercial motor vehicle. [02:40.000 --> 02:45.000] And remember that in Texas, the only difference is weight class. [02:45.000 --> 02:52.000] So it's a very good possibility that same thing applies in your state. [02:52.000 --> 03:03.000] Yes. In Texas, if you're driving a vehicle in excess of 26,000 pounds gross vehicle weight, [03:03.000 --> 03:12.000] or you are hauling commodities interstate, then you fall under commercial. [03:12.000 --> 03:16.000] Otherwise, you're not. [03:16.000 --> 03:18.000] Is that right, Eddie? [03:18.000 --> 03:20.000] That's correct. [03:20.000 --> 03:24.000] So now again, they're both commercial licenses in Texas. [03:24.000 --> 03:32.000] It's just the occupational license cannot exceed the 26,000-pound limit, and the commercial driver's license can. [03:32.000 --> 03:41.000] So all the difference is is what weight class of commercial vehicle you're allowed to legally operate. [03:41.000 --> 03:46.000] And I bet you if you dig deep enough, North Carolina is going to be exactly the same thing. [03:46.000 --> 03:48.000] Okay. [03:48.000 --> 03:53.000] Yeah. And what I suggest, Nolan, is read Chapter 20. [03:53.000 --> 04:01.000] Now you look at it, and it looks real big, but codes are written in kind of outline form. [04:01.000 --> 04:08.000] So even though there's a lot of pages, 60% of it's white space. [04:08.000 --> 04:12.000] Not North Carolina codes, Randy. It's single space. [04:12.000 --> 04:20.000] No, no, no. I mean, since it's outlined, it's not like you're reading a novel. [04:20.000 --> 04:22.000] Edge to edge, yeah. [04:22.000 --> 04:32.000] You can just kind of cruise through it, and very quickly you can tell some of the things that are not really the meat of the statute. [04:32.000 --> 04:36.000] I went to Pennsylvania and got the Pennsylvania penal code. [04:36.000 --> 04:40.000] It took me two hours to go through the whole thing. [04:40.000 --> 04:45.000] Yeah, I saw this section on who can record who. [04:45.000 --> 04:50.000] There were like 60 pages. I didn't care about that. [04:50.000 --> 04:54.000] There were almost as many pages on weapons. [04:54.000 --> 04:59.000] And I wasn't interested in weapons. I was interested in the penal statutes. [04:59.000 --> 05:04.000] So I just skipped over that. It took two hours to go through the whole thing. [05:04.000 --> 05:08.000] And wow, I found some gems in there. [05:08.000 --> 05:17.000] So once you've read a penal code through or a code of criminal procedure through one time, [05:17.000 --> 05:26.000] you can read a penal code or code of criminal procedure from another state, and 80% of it is the same. [05:26.000 --> 05:31.000] So the next one gets pretty easy. [05:31.000 --> 05:37.000] But don't forget now, each state will slightly change the definition a little bit. [05:37.000 --> 05:41.000] And don't forget to check each word's definition. [05:41.000 --> 05:44.000] Exactly. That good mental discipline. [05:44.000 --> 05:49.000] But it's not as daunting as it seems. [05:49.000 --> 05:56.000] When you look at it at first with no knowledge or understanding of it, it looks incredibly complicated. [05:56.000 --> 06:04.000] Who here has not lifted the hood on a car and looked in at all that stuff? [06:04.000 --> 06:11.000] I am really a good mechanic. I used to be before things have changed so much. [06:11.000 --> 06:19.000] But I would raise a hood on a car and I would not allow myself to just generally look at everything. [06:19.000 --> 06:22.000] Much too confusing. [06:22.000 --> 06:26.000] First thing I want to know is some symptoms from the person who brought it in. [06:26.000 --> 06:32.000] And then I'm going to look at one thing. I'm going to home in on one place. [06:32.000 --> 06:37.000] And forget about all the rest of this apparent complication. [06:37.000 --> 06:43.000] Because I'm only looking at one small piece of it. The law is essentially the same way. [06:43.000 --> 06:50.000] You don't have to know all of it all at once. Once you kind of got a general idea how it works. [06:50.000 --> 07:00.000] I mean, the first time your dad let go of the back seat of the bicycle and you were cruising on your own. [07:00.000 --> 07:07.000] My son did that and looked back and saw I wasn't holding the bicycle and fell over. [07:07.000 --> 07:13.000] He was really upset at me. But after that he could ride himself. [07:13.000 --> 07:19.000] And this is similar. You look at it the first time you look at this code and it seems so complex. [07:19.000 --> 07:27.000] You cruise through it one time and all of a sudden it's not near so complex anymore. [07:27.000 --> 07:36.000] Any ordinary person can absolutely understand this with clarity. [07:36.000 --> 07:40.000] And it doesn't take near as much as you think. [07:40.000 --> 07:45.000] Can I get your opinion on something I did? [07:45.000 --> 07:50.000] You're familiar with David Myerlund. We co-complained. [07:50.000 --> 07:52.000] David Myerlund. [07:52.000 --> 07:53.000] Myerlund. [07:53.000 --> 07:57.000] I always pronounce his name wrong on purpose. [07:57.000 --> 07:59.000] Yes, David Myerlund is great. [07:59.000 --> 08:10.000] I took in Joinder Joinder and entered it into the clerks on this case. [08:10.000 --> 08:19.000] Who else do I need to notify because I was appointed a public offender? [08:19.000 --> 08:24.000] Wait a minute, I missed something. Did you say Joinder or offender? [08:24.000 --> 08:27.000] He did a Joinder on the Rico, I think is what he's saying. [08:27.000 --> 08:30.000] Who did you join? [08:30.000 --> 08:33.000] Who did I name in the Joinder? [08:33.000 --> 08:36.000] Wait a minute, you filed a Rico? [08:36.000 --> 08:44.000] No, David Myerlund filed a Rico and he's added himself as a Joinder to that Rico. [08:44.000 --> 08:49.000] Okay, that's standing a Rico that he had. [08:49.000 --> 08:52.000] Right. [08:52.000 --> 09:03.000] It's hard for me to say. I know about the case that he's filed, but I don't know the particulars. [09:03.000 --> 09:14.000] You would have to talk to him or you might call in to, you might look for Michael Edwards. [09:14.000 --> 09:19.000] He does a show on Wednesday night. [09:19.000 --> 09:22.000] Eddie, do you have the number for that? [09:22.000 --> 09:24.000] For which? [09:24.000 --> 09:27.000] For Michael Edwards on Wednesday night. [09:27.000 --> 09:28.000] Yes, I do. [09:28.000 --> 09:31.000] Hang on just a second. [09:31.000 --> 09:38.000] Just to the record, he is an evil rival network. [09:38.000 --> 09:45.000] But since we're all on the same side, we don't care. [09:45.000 --> 09:52.000] Earlier you were saying how the judge, the prosecutor and the attorneys are. [09:52.000 --> 10:13.000] The dial-in number is 712-421-6464 and the PIN number access code is 800-625-4250 pound. [10:13.000 --> 10:27.000] All right. You also need to be looking at Section 20-51, exempt from registration. Find your so-called vehicle there. [10:27.000 --> 10:31.000] Yeah, okay. [10:31.000 --> 10:33.000] Thanks a lot, guys. [10:33.000 --> 10:35.000] You're welcome. [10:35.000 --> 10:44.000] If I can touch, I know I'm going to be struggling with this. I'm already knee-deep in it. [10:44.000 --> 10:47.000] Okay, good. Good luck. [10:47.000 --> 10:56.000] Thanks. [10:56.000 --> 11:00.000] Okay. You there, Randy? [11:00.000 --> 11:01.000] I'm here. [11:01.000 --> 11:02.000] Okay. [11:02.000 --> 11:03.000] Can you hear me? [11:03.000 --> 11:12.000] Okay. We've got a few callers on the board and you wanted to go to Gail next. [11:12.000 --> 11:13.000] Yes. [11:13.000 --> 11:20.000] Okay. And we've got Gail, Jay, Freeman and David. I know Freeman's been holding for a very long time. [11:20.000 --> 11:21.000] Okay. [11:21.000 --> 11:24.000] We'll take, what's that, Randy? [11:24.000 --> 11:28.000] Let me, I want to do an introduction for Gail. [11:28.000 --> 11:39.000] Okay. All right. But I just want to address Freeman just momentarily because you've been waiting for a very, very long time. Freeman, we're going to take your call right after Gail. [11:39.000 --> 11:40.000] Okay. Go ahead, Randy. [11:40.000 --> 11:45.000] Okay. Gail, are you up? [11:45.000 --> 11:46.000] No, no. [11:46.000 --> 11:47.000] Gail, you there? [11:47.000 --> 11:50.000] No. You said you wanted to do an introduction, so go ahead. [11:50.000 --> 11:52.000] Oh, oh, oh. Brain dead. [11:52.000 --> 12:02.000] Okay. Gail is in a divorce proceeding and she's ill. [12:02.000 --> 12:09.000] I've been talking to her for the last few days and this woman is incredible. [12:09.000 --> 12:25.000] She's fighting to keep her children. She's sick. Everything is gathering up against her and she is fighting them like a tiger. [12:25.000 --> 12:33.000] I talked to her today and I couldn't help but get choked up for all she's having to put up with. [12:33.000 --> 12:35.000] Gail, are you there? [12:35.000 --> 12:37.000] Yeah, I'm here. [12:37.000 --> 12:53.000] Good. I just wanted to tell you I am impressed that, you know, sometimes you come across people that no matter what they throw at you, they just keep coming and you're one of those people. [12:53.000 --> 12:57.000] I just wanted you to know how much respect I have for you. [12:57.000 --> 13:10.000] God bless you. That's more than gold. Thanks so very much. I just had a quick question tonight in lieu of everything going on in the court case and everything else. [13:10.000 --> 13:19.000] Okay, wait, wait. Stop, stop. I know what's going on, but our listeners don't. Will you kind of bring this up to speed? [13:19.000 --> 13:32.000] Okay. Well, I'm in a very hostile divorce and custody battle with a man that the forensic psychologist who did the custody evaluation. [13:32.000 --> 13:40.000] My husband tried to keep it out of the court. It took two and a half years. He tried to sit on it so it wouldn't come into fruition and now I know why. [13:40.000 --> 13:49.000] When it came out, the woman nailed him as a sociopath in at least three or four different times and said our children were in severe danger, [13:49.000 --> 13:59.000] especially our son was in severe danger of developing sociopathic traits if he spent the kind of time with my husband that he is now. [13:59.000 --> 14:10.000] Needless to say, the court, the judge at that time, my husband's attorney and my own attorney conspired to keep that record out of the court, [14:10.000 --> 14:20.000] keep it out of the file so I could not use it in trial or in court. I found out about it. I tried to get it. I did have someone file it in for me. [14:20.000 --> 14:29.000] The court clerk took it out of the file again. I filed charges naming the court clerks. I did criminal complaints against my husband's attorney, [14:29.000 --> 14:40.000] against my husband, against the court clerk. I did 15 bar grievances against my husband's attorney. The sheriff's deputies came after me. [14:40.000 --> 14:47.000] I did criminal complaints against six different sheriff's deputies. I sent them to the U.S. Attorney's Office. [14:47.000 --> 14:54.000] The U.S. Attorney's Office sent them back. The district attorney that I sent the criminal complaints against my husband, his attorney, [14:54.000 --> 15:04.000] and the court clerk, the district attorney sent those back with a letter saying that my three inches of exhibits and evidence that I turned in [15:04.000 --> 15:13.000] were not sufficient evidence for them to do anything so they were finding no criminal damages, no criminal wrongdoing at that time. [15:13.000 --> 15:21.000] I ended up having the first judge recuse himself because he was ordering me to do illegal things right on the court record. [15:21.000 --> 15:30.000] He was yelling at me, threatening me in the open court, and then he purged the record. [15:30.000 --> 15:40.000] His court reporters, when I requested transcripts, told me that they couldn't do the transcripts for me unless the judge approved them first. [15:40.000 --> 15:45.000] And so then when I finally did that, it took six months after that to get the transcripts. [15:45.000 --> 15:50.000] When I finally got them, they'd already been bleached. Needless to say, I finally got the judge recuse himself. [15:50.000 --> 15:59.000] Next judge up on the block came out swinging, wouldn't even let me set a motion, demanded us into trial immediately. [15:59.000 --> 16:06.000] My third attorney withdrew, which I believe my husband has been using money to get these things accomplished [16:06.000 --> 16:14.000] because the last two attorneys both did something that was keen two different things against my case but in favor of my husband's case, [16:14.000 --> 16:18.000] and then they immediately withdrew. [16:18.000 --> 16:28.000] When this new judge that's on my case took the case, the previous judge already had it set for trial for this past Monday. [16:28.000 --> 16:33.000] Both sides agreed that we were not ready for trial. There needed to be an extension. [16:33.000 --> 16:41.000] I was told beyond a shadow of a doubt there would be an extension this last Monday when we would get to trial. [16:41.000 --> 16:47.000] I got to trial. I got to the courthouse, rather, fully expecting to be extended. [16:47.000 --> 16:52.000] The judge said, this is a master, present your case. [16:52.000 --> 17:02.000] Anyway, long story short, I have been forced into representing myself throughout this past week and calling on witnesses. [17:02.000 --> 17:09.000] To try to prove my case when I am not an attorney, I don't have the knowledge or the insight of an attorney, [17:09.000 --> 17:12.000] and the Lord himself is the only thing that's been. [17:12.000 --> 17:19.000] The Lord and many good friends and wife counsel like Randall, David in New York, and a number of other people, [17:19.000 --> 17:35.000] Dale Nathan at times, and it's just been an unbelievable experience that it's scary because now the judge is saying, due to a newspaper person who called in today, [17:35.000 --> 17:49.000] an attorney today, the judge is now bifurcated. What do they call that, Randall, when they cut the case in half? [17:49.000 --> 17:51.000] Bifurcated. [17:51.000 --> 17:59.000] Bifurcated the case, and he's doing the custody half in the next two weeks, [17:59.000 --> 18:06.000] and then there may be a continuance of a month, at most two months, and then they'll do the whole financial of the case, [18:06.000 --> 18:19.000] which we're talking about mega money that has been hidden, and I still really would appreciate someone with the ability to go in [18:19.000 --> 18:32.000] and do the cross examinations. I've been sick in the court and the judge doesn't care, he just keeps making me come in and represent myself. [18:32.000 --> 18:38.000] So long story short, it's been a great learning experience. [18:38.000 --> 18:52.000] You know, I really like people who follow directions. In order to create really good elements for appeal, [18:52.000 --> 19:01.000] I suggested that Gayle, since she has all the stress and pressure and she's fighting cancer, [19:01.000 --> 19:11.000] and she's just been thrown out of her house, she had to move out of her house because of a leaky roof caused it to be filled with black mold, [19:11.000 --> 19:19.000] and with all this pressure and she's trying to get a continuance, I suggested that she show up in the court. [19:19.000 --> 19:30.000] So what does Gayle do? She throws up in the court. I mean, it's a few people you can get to actually do what you ask them to do, [19:30.000 --> 19:38.000] especially when it's something this outrageous. Gayle, you actually threw up in the court. [19:38.000 --> 19:42.000] But it wasn't on purpose. [19:42.000 --> 19:53.000] Well, yeah, there was a newspaper. It wasn't a newspaper reporter that called the court. It was a radio show host out of Texas. [19:53.000 --> 20:04.000] And I just want to tell everybody that I've already talked to Gayle and asked her to ask God to forgive me. [20:04.000 --> 20:21.000] I told a whopper. I called the judge's coordinator and I told her that I was a radio talk show host out of Texas [20:21.000 --> 20:29.000] and that I had been getting calls, you know, I get calls from all over the country about how corrupt all the courts are [20:29.000 --> 20:37.000] and I have coordinated with a friend of mine with the Henry David Thoreau Foundation [20:37.000 --> 20:45.000] and they're preparing a documentary on corruption in the courts in the United States. [20:45.000 --> 20:55.000] And since I have people call from all over the country, I kind of had my finger on the level of corruption. [20:55.000 --> 21:02.000] And prior to this, I had thought Florida was the most corrupt state in the union. [21:02.000 --> 21:13.000] But after talking to a number of people from Minnesota, I think Minnesota has taken this top spot. [21:13.000 --> 21:20.000] So we're doing this, Henry David Thoreau Foundation is doing this documentary on corruption in the courts [21:20.000 --> 21:28.000] and we would like to interview the judge because I'm getting calls [21:28.000 --> 21:36.000] and people are telling me that the judge is trying to murder a woman in court [21:36.000 --> 21:44.000] to keep her from being able to adjudicate a divorce against a wealthy husband. [21:44.000 --> 21:51.000] And I told him, you know how people are, they just tell you the bad stuff. [21:51.000 --> 22:01.000] I would really like to get the court's side of this because I can't imagine that the court would force someone to come into court [22:01.000 --> 22:06.000] when they were so sick they were throwing up in the courtroom [22:06.000 --> 22:13.000] and still force them to come to court with no attorney and defend themselves [22:13.000 --> 22:22.000] and try to protect their children from someone that the court's own evaluator determined was a psychopath [22:22.000 --> 22:27.000] and a child molester and raped his own daughter. [22:27.000 --> 22:35.000] The coordinator said, well, I'm sure that it can't be the way you're saying it is. [22:35.000 --> 22:38.000] I said, well, yeah, may not be, but I don't care. [22:38.000 --> 22:46.000] You know, I do radio. This is a great story. Man, this is going to make me famous. [22:46.000 --> 22:54.000] Well, she said she assured me that she would give the judge my number and he would call back to me. [22:54.000 --> 22:59.000] I didn't get a call back. So I called the county attorney. [22:59.000 --> 23:03.000] Apparently they don't have district attorneys in Minnesota. [23:03.000 --> 23:06.000] The only prosecutor I could find was a county attorney. [23:06.000 --> 23:11.000] So I told this same story to them. [23:11.000 --> 23:18.000] And I don't know if they bought the story or not, but I never got a call back from the prosecutor attorney. [23:18.000 --> 23:25.000] However, Gail did get her continuous. [23:25.000 --> 23:29.000] Frankly, that was a hoot. I really enjoyed doing that. [23:29.000 --> 23:33.000] So Gail, where are you now? [23:33.000 --> 23:40.000] Well, right now, the way it stands is, and just for the record, I did not throw up on purpose in the courtroom. [23:40.000 --> 23:48.000] I was just that sick. And it was way worse out of the courtroom. [23:48.000 --> 23:54.000] But the way it stands now is on Monday, I have to be in the court. [23:54.000 --> 24:07.000] Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, I have to present all my witnesses against my custody for my custody case and the parenting case. [24:07.000 --> 24:16.000] And then my husband will have his attorneys, attorneys plural, will have a week to present all of their witnesses [24:16.000 --> 24:22.000] and evidence for their case for custody and parenting time. [24:22.000 --> 24:26.000] And then after those two weeks, the judge will make a decision. [24:26.000 --> 24:31.000] Then he may do a continuance of a month to two months. [24:31.000 --> 24:40.000] And then I will have to come back and do the whole trial for the division of property and the rest of the dissolution. [24:40.000 --> 24:49.000] But the judge, obviously after hearing of your call, did make sure that he made very clear to the court on the record [24:49.000 --> 24:55.000] after I had been objecting numerous times the day that I did not want to represent myself. [24:55.000 --> 25:01.000] And after he had come right out in court and said that I did not have a constitutional right to an attorney [25:01.000 --> 25:08.000] and that we needed to move this forward and that everyone knew I wouldn't be able to get an attorney at this point, [25:08.000 --> 25:16.000] he changed face this morning and he said after your phone call made it clear to the court that, [25:16.000 --> 25:23.000] or clear to the rest of us that the court's position of course was that of course I'm entitled to an attorney [25:23.000 --> 25:26.000] and he would never dream of keeping me from an attorney, [25:26.000 --> 25:32.000] but I would have to get the attorney while the trial was going on because he wasn't stopping the trial [25:32.000 --> 25:39.000] in order for me to take the time to get an attorney to try to represent me. [25:39.000 --> 25:43.000] That was his new position. [25:43.000 --> 25:48.000] Had I called that, he blinked. [25:48.000 --> 25:50.000] What? [25:50.000 --> 25:52.000] So he blinked. [25:52.000 --> 26:00.000] Now for those who are listening, Gayle has filed 15 bar grievances against opposing counsel. [26:00.000 --> 26:06.000] So that's telling this judge that she knows how to sting him. [26:06.000 --> 26:15.000] And I have to give Gayle credit, this has been an incredible struggle. [26:15.000 --> 26:20.000] And for her to go to court while she's so sick, she's throwing up, [26:20.000 --> 26:24.000] she's been thrown out of her house because of mold, [26:24.000 --> 26:30.000] she's in court today when her son could well have had a concussion from a basketball accident, [26:30.000 --> 26:39.000] she couldn't take him to the doctor because she's got to be in court because this judge commanded her to. [26:39.000 --> 26:49.000] But this is one of those people that no matter what they throw at you, she just keeps coming. [26:49.000 --> 26:52.000] And you remind me of one of my favorite quotations. [26:52.000 --> 26:55.000] Yes, and we're going to break right now, Randy. [26:55.000 --> 26:59.000] So we want to hear the quote as soon as we get back on the other side. [26:59.000 --> 27:01.000] And Gayle, sit tight. [27:01.000 --> 27:04.000] And Christopher from Illinois has called back in. [27:04.000 --> 27:10.000] Okay, so we'll be taking a call on the other side and we'll also be finishing up with Gayle. [27:10.000 --> 27:12.000] We will be right back. [27:12.000 --> 27:16.000] Extended session of Rule of Law Radio. [27:16.000 --> 27:25.000] I've got to believe my heart If I can't believe the newspapers [27:25.000 --> 27:35.000] I've got to believe my heart If I can't believe the radio [27:35.000 --> 27:42.000] I've got to believe my heart And my heart said whoa [27:42.000 --> 27:50.000] Wait a minute You know I'm out here in this wilderness alone [27:50.000 --> 28:00.000] Troubles you bring to me make me feel like stone Just because you can't find the truth in this reality [28:00.000 --> 28:24.000] Korea, Korea, Korea Korea, Korea, Korea [28:30.000 --> 28:46.000] I keep finding myself in places Where I've got to believe my heart [28:46.000 --> 29:01.000] Not much to go on in some cases So I've got to believe my heart I keep finding myself in situations [29:01.000 --> 29:11.000] Where I've got to believe my heart I might not possess a proper education [29:11.000 --> 29:18.000] So I've got to believe my heart And my heart said whoa [29:18.000 --> 29:26.000] Wait a minute, wait and see I know you truly want what's best for me [29:26.000 --> 29:36.000] And I'll try to be just what you want me to be Just because you can't find the truth in this reality [29:36.000 --> 29:49.000] Korea, Korea, Korea I've got to believe my heart [29:49.000 --> 30:08.000] I've got to believe my heart I've got to believe my heart [30:08.000 --> 30:18.000] Hallelujah I've got to believe my heart [30:18.000 --> 30:31.000] Hallelujah I've got to believe my heart [30:31.000 --> 30:39.000] All right, we are back. Extended version of Rule of Law Radio. We are talking with Gail in Minnesota. [30:39.000 --> 30:44.000] And Randy, you were just about to mention a quote when we went to break. [30:44.000 --> 30:49.000] Yes, Benjamin Dess Rayleigh once said, [30:49.000 --> 30:59.000] Nothing can resist the human will that will stake its very existence upon the extent of its purpose. [30:59.000 --> 31:07.000] And I have to appreciate what Gail is doing because that is exactly what she's doing. [31:07.000 --> 31:17.000] Staking her very existence upon the extent of her purpose to ensure the safety of her children. [31:17.000 --> 31:24.000] And Gail, I can't tell you how impressed I am with you. [31:24.000 --> 31:34.000] Whenever I think that things are bad for me, I will think back on the position I see you in at this moment. [31:34.000 --> 31:38.000] And it will make life easier for me. [31:38.000 --> 31:44.000] I once woke up in a hospital from a three-day coma. [31:44.000 --> 31:50.000] And my wife looked down at me and when I opened my eyes and looked up at her, she said, [31:50.000 --> 31:57.000] I don't know what I'm going to do. They're going to shut off our lights. They're going to close. They're going to throw us out of our house. I don't know what's going to happen. [31:57.000 --> 32:02.000] And I looked up and I said, Am I going to die? [32:02.000 --> 32:10.000] Well, I didn't. Everything that I could imagine went wrong. [32:10.000 --> 32:14.000] I spent five years learning how to walk again. [32:14.000 --> 32:24.000] And with all the horrible things that happened, beyond the worst things I could have imagined at the time, [32:24.000 --> 32:34.000] what had happened is I was driving home from working 36 hours on an emergency job. [32:34.000 --> 32:37.000] And this park semi jumped right out in front of me. [32:37.000 --> 32:43.000] I didn't have anything to do with it as I was sound asleep at the time. [32:43.000 --> 32:46.000] And darn near killed me. [32:46.000 --> 32:54.000] And everything bad that could happen happened. [32:54.000 --> 33:02.000] And here I am 20 years later, fat and sassy. [33:02.000 --> 33:08.000] Somehow, no matter how bad it got, I got through it. [33:08.000 --> 33:10.000] You know, I look back on it and I don't know how I got through it. [33:10.000 --> 33:17.000] But by just hanging in there and no matter what they did, I kept swinging. [33:17.000 --> 33:23.000] And I came out the other side and Gale, you will do the same thing. [33:23.000 --> 33:38.000] And when you come out after this experience, there is nothing they can throw at you that will not pale into insignificance. [33:38.000 --> 33:47.000] When I read the American Indians, they had a belief that their only purpose was to grow in the spirit. [33:47.000 --> 33:54.000] And the only way they could grow in the spirit was by making spiritually powerful decisions. [33:54.000 --> 34:04.000] And I have watched Gale these last couple of weeks make incredibly powerful spiritual decisions. [34:04.000 --> 34:11.000] When you get through the other side of this, you will be an incredibly powerful human being. [34:11.000 --> 34:15.000] Heck, you are already. [34:15.000 --> 34:25.000] I can't think of very many people that I know that would imagine your position and have any idea they could handle it. [34:25.000 --> 34:34.000] But you have handled it with style and elegance and you have my utmost respect and appreciation. [34:34.000 --> 34:38.000] Okay, enough of my talking. [34:38.000 --> 34:39.000] This is Eddie. [34:39.000 --> 34:43.000] How's that traffic thing going over in Wisconsin, by the way? [34:43.000 --> 34:44.000] I don't know. [34:44.000 --> 34:50.000] I haven't heard back and I kind of went to the bottom of the totem pole on the important. [34:50.000 --> 34:54.000] So I suppose I should back on it. [34:54.000 --> 35:00.000] Well, if they haven't responded to you, you sent any information you and I talked about, right? [35:00.000 --> 35:03.000] Okay, that I will. [35:03.000 --> 35:04.000] That I will. [35:04.000 --> 35:16.000] Hey, did you send the information on how to take a tape recorder into the court against the judge's refusal? [35:16.000 --> 35:21.000] Well, you just need to see if there's something in the Code of Criminal Procedure like there is here in Texas [35:21.000 --> 35:24.000] that says that they are guaranteed the right of a free press. [35:24.000 --> 35:29.000] If you're guaranteed the right of a free press, he can't prevent you from taking record. [35:29.000 --> 35:33.000] Okay. [35:33.000 --> 35:36.000] Perfect. [35:36.000 --> 35:46.000] Now, just in case you're still listening, the gentleman from North Carolina, look in general statute 20-10 and 20-8 [35:46.000 --> 35:53.000] and proclaim your automobile is a road machine because it is exempt from both registration [35:53.000 --> 35:59.000] and licensing requirements and it is not defined anywhere within the Carolina statutes. [35:59.000 --> 36:03.000] Wait, road machine is not defined? [36:03.000 --> 36:04.000] No, it's not. [36:04.000 --> 36:10.000] And road machine is the original declaratory legal name for an automobile. [36:10.000 --> 36:11.000] Yes. [36:11.000 --> 36:14.000] Good. [36:14.000 --> 36:19.000] I just wanted to say thank you, Randy, for what you said because you have blessed me beyond belief [36:19.000 --> 36:26.000] and I didn't deserve it but thank you and thank you for Deborah, for Eddie, for everyone that has helped me [36:26.000 --> 36:30.000] and God bless you for all the help you do for everyone else. [36:30.000 --> 36:31.000] Okay. [36:31.000 --> 36:36.000] There is a comment I think I made just once before but I need to make it again. [36:36.000 --> 36:47.000] Of all the callers that I have gotten in the last few months, Gale's calls have been the ones that terrify me the most. [36:47.000 --> 36:54.000] I get people calling me saying, oh, I got my third DUI and they're going to whoop my behind. [36:54.000 --> 37:00.000] Well, you know, he got his third DUI and they're going to whoop his behind. [37:00.000 --> 37:08.000] And, you know, I get people calling me with problems that are the result of their own behaviors. [37:08.000 --> 37:17.000] But when Gale called in, we're talking about children here who did nothing to deserve this difficulty. [37:17.000 --> 37:20.000] And frankly, she terrified me. [37:20.000 --> 37:22.000] And Deborah will verify this. [37:22.000 --> 37:24.000] We talked about this on the breaks. [37:24.000 --> 37:28.000] Jesus Christ, I don't know how to answer this. [37:28.000 --> 37:33.000] And I don't know what to say because this is so important. [37:33.000 --> 37:45.000] And then when it gets down to the wire, this woman takes on everybody and never blinks. [37:45.000 --> 37:54.000] For me, you are the epitome of courage and strength and dedication. [37:54.000 --> 37:57.000] This is what America is. [37:57.000 --> 38:11.000] The America I know is made up of human beings like an ordinary housewife in Minnesota who will take on everyone. [38:11.000 --> 38:22.000] If we can get a couple of folks like that in every county in this country, we don't have to worry about anything. [38:22.000 --> 38:25.000] We will get the legal system straightened out. [38:25.000 --> 38:31.000] I appreciate you, Gale, more than I could say. [38:31.000 --> 38:32.000] Good job, Gale. [38:32.000 --> 38:33.000] Okay. [38:33.000 --> 38:34.000] God bless you guys. [38:34.000 --> 38:35.000] All right. [38:35.000 --> 38:36.000] Bless you. [38:36.000 --> 38:38.000] I bless you too, Gale. [38:38.000 --> 38:39.000] God bless you guys. [38:39.000 --> 38:40.000] All right. [38:40.000 --> 38:41.000] All right. [38:41.000 --> 38:42.000] All right. [38:42.000 --> 38:45.000] We're going to go now to Freeman in Texas. [38:45.000 --> 38:46.000] I'm sorry. [38:46.000 --> 38:51.000] Freeman in Minnesota who also has been holding for a very, very, very long time. [38:51.000 --> 38:54.000] Then we're going to go to Christopher in Illinois because he called back in. [38:54.000 --> 38:58.000] But Freeman had been waiting for like an hour longer than Christopher, so we've got to take Freeman first. [38:58.000 --> 38:59.000] Okay. [38:59.000 --> 39:00.000] Freeman, thanks for holding. [39:00.000 --> 39:02.000] Thanks for calling back in. [39:02.000 --> 39:04.000] What is your comments or questions? [39:04.000 --> 39:05.000] Yeah. [39:05.000 --> 39:16.000] I want to say, well, they denied a motion for extension that I had based on unfathomable [39:16.000 --> 39:25.000] conflict created by the court appearance necessitating me getting up at 5 in the morning the day after I had a major shoulder reconstruction. [39:25.000 --> 39:30.000] I just wanted to say I got sick in court too, and it was purely by accident. [39:30.000 --> 39:34.000] I certainly wouldn't have intended to do anything like that. [39:34.000 --> 39:39.000] But I did get sick in court, and so they did have to stop. [39:39.000 --> 39:47.000] My lawyer was pretty disappointed because he was trying to expedite the issue in his own interest, of course. [39:47.000 --> 39:55.000] At any rate, I did get an extension on that and have about another month and a half on that issue. [39:55.000 --> 39:59.000] So I can focus on presently. [39:59.000 --> 40:07.000] I don't want to say the only reason I had a lawyer was because I got put in jail for 20 days for not going to a class [40:07.000 --> 40:09.000] by September 30, 2009. [40:09.000 --> 40:20.000] I'm here in Minnesota, so I can definitely empathize with feeling like subject to a corrupt judicial system [40:20.000 --> 40:24.000] because September 30, 2009 was, in fact, over seven months. [40:24.000 --> 40:26.000] I hadn't got here yet. [40:26.000 --> 40:27.000] Pardon? [40:27.000 --> 40:28.000] Hey. [40:28.000 --> 40:30.000] I said I hadn't got here yet. [40:30.000 --> 40:31.000] I'm an engineer. [40:31.000 --> 40:34.000] I can figure that out. [40:34.000 --> 40:35.000] Yeah, right. [40:35.000 --> 40:40.000] Well, everybody can, but in case it's kind of late and someone didn't think of it, [40:40.000 --> 40:46.000] I'd just be mighty clear and point it out, especially since the highly trained district judge [40:46.000 --> 40:49.000] seemed like she couldn't figure it out. [40:49.000 --> 40:50.000] Now, wait. [40:50.000 --> 40:51.000] He's an attorney. [40:51.000 --> 40:52.000] Pardon me? [40:52.000 --> 40:55.000] You know, he's an attorney. [40:55.000 --> 41:03.000] Dr. Graves wrote a jurisdictionary so that an eighth grader could read it and understand it. [41:03.000 --> 41:11.000] And I accused him of deliberately writing it so that it was over an attorney's head. [41:11.000 --> 41:13.000] Yeah. [41:13.000 --> 41:16.000] That's funny. [41:16.000 --> 41:18.000] In the meantime, I have an issue. [41:18.000 --> 41:22.000] Highly trained in the same sense. [41:22.000 --> 41:23.000] Go ahead, Freeman. [41:23.000 --> 41:28.000] The only reason I have a lawyer is after they had locked me up, [41:28.000 --> 41:33.000] I had a family member who knew that what was going on was purely wrong, [41:33.000 --> 41:42.000] and there's a lawyer who's a nephew of a lawyer that my family member used decades ago, [41:42.000 --> 41:48.000] and he used that lawyer, well, hired him to get me out of jail, [41:48.000 --> 41:52.000] which the lawyer guaranteed he'd get me out of jail the next day [41:52.000 --> 41:56.000] based on about 20 pages of case law that was outstanding and recent [41:56.000 --> 42:03.000] and so the Minnesota Supreme Court reversed and remanded pretty much [42:03.000 --> 42:09.000] through every similar on-point situation. [42:09.000 --> 42:14.000] Is this the situation where you spent 20 days in jail? [42:14.000 --> 42:15.000] Yeah. [42:15.000 --> 42:18.000] That judge upheld her own decision, and I did not get out, [42:18.000 --> 42:23.000] and the lawyer shied away from appeal because, I mean, you know, [42:23.000 --> 42:26.000] once an appeal's done, I'd already be done with the 20 days, [42:26.000 --> 42:29.000] and he claimed he couldn't file habeas corpus [42:29.000 --> 42:34.000] because the prerequisites include appeals which take months, [42:34.000 --> 42:37.000] you know, which would preclude, you know, the... [42:37.000 --> 42:38.000] Wait a minute. [42:38.000 --> 42:39.000] Wait a minute. [42:39.000 --> 42:47.000] Your attorney told you there was a prerequisite for a writ of habeas corpus? [42:47.000 --> 42:51.000] Yeah. [42:51.000 --> 42:54.000] You did call him a liar, right? [42:54.000 --> 42:56.000] Pardon me? [42:56.000 --> 42:58.000] I said you did call him a liar, right? [42:58.000 --> 43:01.000] And then Randy added the suing. [43:01.000 --> 43:04.000] That's legal malpractice. [43:04.000 --> 43:09.000] Yeah, this is big-time legal malpractice. [43:09.000 --> 43:17.000] There are no prerequisites for a writ of habeas corpus. [43:17.000 --> 43:19.000] Yeah, I mean, I was pushy about it. [43:19.000 --> 43:22.000] I told him, he told me there's prerequisites. [43:22.000 --> 43:26.000] I said, well, you know, oh, well, I want you to file it anyway, [43:26.000 --> 43:33.000] and he ended up dissuading me, and I backed down. [43:33.000 --> 43:35.000] File bar grievances against him. [43:35.000 --> 43:46.000] If an attorney gives you false advice or incorrect advice... [43:46.000 --> 43:48.000] Knowingly false advice at that. [43:48.000 --> 43:53.000] ...or even untimely advice, you can sue him for it. [43:53.000 --> 43:58.000] And anything you can sue him for, you can file a bar grievance for. [43:58.000 --> 44:02.000] Start slugging bar grievances in on his attorney. [44:02.000 --> 44:04.000] Is he still your attorney? [44:04.000 --> 44:05.000] Yes, he is. [44:05.000 --> 44:06.000] Good. [44:06.000 --> 44:07.000] Good. [44:07.000 --> 44:08.000] Make him stay your attorney. [44:08.000 --> 44:09.000] What if a rule of... [44:09.000 --> 44:13.000] Start filing bar grievances for all of this crapola he's done. [44:13.000 --> 44:18.000] Okay, well, what if a rule of court or some lowly statute, [44:18.000 --> 44:22.000] which they definitely can't proceed or supersede constitutionally, [44:22.000 --> 44:25.000] but what if some statute or rule of court said, you know, [44:25.000 --> 44:33.000] prescribed prerequisites to be fulfilled before a writ of habeas corpus is filed? [44:33.000 --> 44:34.000] They can't. [44:34.000 --> 44:35.000] It's a constitutional right. [44:35.000 --> 44:39.000] You don't understand what a writ of habeas corpus is. [44:39.000 --> 44:42.000] I filed a writ of habeas corpus in Williamson County, [44:42.000 --> 44:44.000] and the district judge came in and said, [44:44.000 --> 44:46.000] Mr. Carlton, I don't have time for this. [44:46.000 --> 44:49.000] I have a jury tree in passage. [44:49.000 --> 44:52.000] I said, with all due respect, Your Honor, [44:52.000 --> 44:59.000] everything stands down before a writ of habeas corpus. [44:59.000 --> 45:02.000] And that's the rule. [45:02.000 --> 45:08.000] Everything stands down before a writ of habeas corpus. [45:08.000 --> 45:14.000] Appeal, your attorney's telling you that an appeal takes precedence [45:14.000 --> 45:16.000] over writ of habeas corpus. [45:16.000 --> 45:19.000] He's a lying SOB. [45:19.000 --> 45:27.000] Nothing, nothing in law takes precedence over writ of habeas corpus, period. [45:27.000 --> 45:28.000] So he lied to you? [45:28.000 --> 45:32.000] After everything else failed, he lied to me. [45:32.000 --> 45:33.000] Okay. [45:33.000 --> 45:35.000] Well, I'm going to look into it. [45:35.000 --> 45:37.000] I appreciate your insight. [45:37.000 --> 45:39.000] I believe you. [45:39.000 --> 45:44.000] One thing to understand, that he is an attorney, [45:44.000 --> 45:51.000] if his lips are moving, you must presume that he's lying. [45:51.000 --> 45:56.000] Well, see, lawyer and liar sounding similar, I believe, to have the same etymology. [45:56.000 --> 46:00.000] Well, see, there are some lawyers out there who really have scruples, [46:00.000 --> 46:03.000] and they may not be lying to you. [46:03.000 --> 46:12.000] But if you assume that he's lying to you and then check to find out how he's lying to you, [46:12.000 --> 46:15.000] if he's not, that will become clear. [46:15.000 --> 46:18.000] So no harm, no foul. [46:18.000 --> 46:23.000] So it behooves you to assume that everything he tells you is not true. [46:23.000 --> 46:29.000] And I know how difficult that must sound, because when you look at the law, [46:29.000 --> 46:32.000] trying to learn it yourself seems extremely difficult. [46:32.000 --> 46:38.000] And then I tell you that anything your lawyer tells you, you've got to assume is a lie. [46:38.000 --> 46:42.000] He was heartbroken that I got sick in court, [46:42.000 --> 46:47.000] and he couldn't proceed with the plea that he bullied me into. [46:47.000 --> 46:49.000] I had an argument with him about the plea, [46:49.000 --> 46:54.000] and he said he was going to withdraw because he wasn't going to feel comfortable making the plea [46:54.000 --> 46:58.000] if I was saying that I was groggy from the medicine. [46:58.000 --> 47:00.000] And so then I said, what are you going to do? [47:00.000 --> 47:02.000] Throw the deal away? [47:02.000 --> 47:03.000] And what then? [47:03.000 --> 47:06.000] Because he kept telling me I was going to lose if I go to trial. [47:06.000 --> 47:10.000] So I said, oh, come on, you know. [47:10.000 --> 47:11.000] And then I got sick. [47:11.000 --> 47:15.000] So I mean, you know, that kind of – and it was kind of weird on the way back. [47:15.000 --> 47:22.000] He said, so how does it feel to throw up in court and that sick does everything for you? [47:22.000 --> 47:25.000] And I looked over at him and I said, what do you mean? [47:25.000 --> 47:29.000] And he said, oh, oh, just kidding, just kidding. [47:29.000 --> 47:31.000] You need to start fighting. [47:31.000 --> 47:32.000] Okay. [47:32.000 --> 47:34.000] Your attorney's a jerk. [47:34.000 --> 47:37.000] He's clearly working with the prosecuting attorney. [47:37.000 --> 47:38.000] And they all are. [47:38.000 --> 47:42.000] See, listen, Freeman, here's the deal. [47:42.000 --> 47:47.000] They really can't fight for your rights and do what's best for you, [47:47.000 --> 47:57.000] because if they did that, they would be at complete odds with the judge and the prosecutor, [47:57.000 --> 47:59.000] and they have to work with these people every day. [47:59.000 --> 48:07.000] But more than that, the judge is going to be the one who's going to decide whether his career is going to end or continue. [48:07.000 --> 48:08.000] Okay. [48:08.000 --> 48:17.000] And so they just want to get by the best they can and schmooze their clients into a deal as quickly as possible [48:17.000 --> 48:23.000] and take as much money as they can and move on as fast as possible to the next client. [48:23.000 --> 48:25.000] That's what most of them really are like. [48:25.000 --> 48:26.000] Okay. [48:26.000 --> 48:32.000] There's very few out there who are not like that because they've managed to work themselves into a position [48:32.000 --> 48:37.000] where they don't have to live under that fear of losing their career, [48:37.000 --> 48:41.000] like some of these attorneys that Tony Davis works with that he's going to hook Annette up with. [48:41.000 --> 48:42.000] Okay. [48:42.000 --> 48:53.000] But most attorneys, most Joe Blow attorneys, live under the tyranny of the thumb, of the boot, of the district judge in their state. [48:53.000 --> 49:01.000] So what you have to do is you have to become more dangerous to your attorney than the judge. [49:01.000 --> 49:10.000] And the way you do that is you file bar grievances for everything he failed to do. [49:10.000 --> 49:19.000] When you do, he's going to have a hissy fit, and then he's going to run to the judge and ask to be removed from the cage. [49:19.000 --> 49:23.000] You know, you mentioned that he was going to... [49:23.000 --> 49:24.000] Okay, understand. [49:24.000 --> 49:27.000] You have a contract with him. [49:27.000 --> 49:28.000] Okay. [49:28.000 --> 49:31.000] He doesn't get to walk away just because he wants to. [49:31.000 --> 49:34.000] He's under contract. [49:34.000 --> 49:42.000] So when he goes to the judge and asks to be removed, you tell the judge, don't you dare remove him from my case. [49:42.000 --> 49:44.000] He's my attorney. [49:44.000 --> 49:46.000] I'm under private contract with him. [49:46.000 --> 49:50.000] Randy, I've always wanted to find out about this private contract with your attorney. [49:50.000 --> 50:03.000] I mean, wouldn't it have to say somewhere in the contract between the client and the attorney that the attorney can't back out under his own or her own freedom of choice? [50:03.000 --> 50:06.000] Isn't that the rules of court that say that? [50:06.000 --> 50:12.000] No, because once an attorney accepts the responsibility of the case, he is stuck with it. [50:12.000 --> 50:13.000] Yes, he is. [50:13.000 --> 50:16.000] Is that statute or is that case law or what? [50:16.000 --> 50:17.000] That's a fact. [50:17.000 --> 50:21.000] That's why an attorney can't walk out on a trial. [50:21.000 --> 50:23.000] This goes to commercial code. [50:23.000 --> 50:36.000] Well, yeah, I want to know where it says that in black and white because if I take on a client in my business and they act up, I'll fire them. [50:36.000 --> 50:38.000] I'll get rid of the client. [50:38.000 --> 50:44.000] If I'm working for someone and the situation is unacceptable, I'll quit my job. [50:44.000 --> 50:49.000] I mean, why can't attorneys just quit? [50:49.000 --> 50:51.000] They can if they want to get this barred. [50:51.000 --> 50:53.000] I'm a contractor. [50:53.000 --> 50:56.000] An attorney is a contractor. [50:56.000 --> 50:59.000] See, I was in the service business. [50:59.000 --> 51:14.000] And in the service business, they contracted with me to do a specific job, and I would go do that job, and then they would pay me according to the agreement that we had. [51:14.000 --> 51:18.000] If I stop doing the job, they stop paying me. [51:18.000 --> 51:23.000] The attorney enters into a contract with you to do a certain job. [51:23.000 --> 51:26.000] Either you pay him or the court pays him. [51:26.000 --> 51:28.000] Doesn't matter who pays him. [51:28.000 --> 51:31.000] He contracts with you. [51:31.000 --> 51:47.000] If you challenge the judge's authority to remove the attorney, then the way you do it is you maintain that you have a contract with the attorney, and the judge will say, well, the contract is with the state. [51:47.000 --> 52:01.000] The state appointed him, if he's a court appointed attorney, or if he's a private attorney, they don't even get that argument, but if the state appointed him, he'll say, well, he's under contract with the state. [52:01.000 --> 52:04.000] And you say, yes, he is. [52:04.000 --> 52:14.000] But I am the intended third-party beneficiary of the contract, and therefore I have standing to enforce. [52:14.000 --> 52:30.000] So, Deborah, if you and I enter into a contract, and I give you consideration as a result of the agreement to the contract, the contract is binding. [52:30.000 --> 52:40.000] Now, you owe me back what you were agreed to do as a result of the consideration. [52:40.000 --> 52:50.000] You don't get to say, well, I don't like the way you're acting, so I'm not going to fulfill my end of the contract. [52:50.000 --> 52:53.000] That's the problem they have. [52:53.000 --> 53:05.000] The attorneys and the judges want to have it so that only you are bound to the contract and not them. [53:05.000 --> 53:12.000] Well, you know what? If they worked it that way, it would be to their disadvantage because then it would be a unilateral contract. [53:12.000 --> 53:16.000] Then you could call all the shots all the time. [53:16.000 --> 53:18.000] No, it's not a unilateral contract. [53:18.000 --> 53:25.000] If you're the only one that makes the commitment and signs the paper, yes, you are. Yes, it is. [53:25.000 --> 53:34.000] Well, okay, you're right, but there's nothing wrong with a unilateral contract. [53:34.000 --> 53:40.000] No, no. When you enter into a contract with the attorney, both are bound. [53:40.000 --> 53:52.000] If the attorney produces the contract and asks you to sign it, when you give consideration to the attorney, he is bound to the contract. [53:52.000 --> 53:55.000] You didn't make up the contract. He did. [53:55.000 --> 54:01.000] You signed it and gave him consideration. You bind him to the contract. [54:01.000 --> 54:06.000] If it's with the state, you bind him to the contract. [54:06.000 --> 54:17.000] The contract includes abiding by the canons of what is it? [54:17.000 --> 54:19.000] Ethics, judicial ethics. [54:19.000 --> 54:26.000] Not judicial. I wouldn't say judicial, but professional ethics. [54:26.000 --> 54:35.000] Every state has a professional ethics code for attorneys. [54:35.000 --> 54:40.000] When you hire an attorney, those are canons of the contract. [54:40.000 --> 54:44.000] He has to abide by those canons. [54:44.000 --> 54:48.000] He's bound by it. He doesn't get to go to the judge and say, [54:48.000 --> 54:59.000] Well, Judge, I collected $20,000 from my client, but my client pissed me off, so I don't want to provide a defense for my client. [54:59.000 --> 55:02.000] I want you to remove me from the case. [55:02.000 --> 55:04.000] And I want to get to keep the money. [55:04.000 --> 55:05.000] And I want to get to keep the money. [55:05.000 --> 55:06.000] Yeah, right. [55:06.000 --> 55:14.000] And I go to the judge and say, this is a private contract. You have no business interfering with it. [55:14.000 --> 55:18.000] All right, I think we got it. [55:18.000 --> 55:33.000] When he interferes with the private contract, he becomes personally liable himself to civil litigation because that's an administrative decision and not a judicial decision. [55:33.000 --> 55:34.000] All right. [55:34.000 --> 55:36.000] So Freeman, Freeman, you got that? [55:36.000 --> 55:38.000] Hello? Can you hear me? [55:38.000 --> 55:40.000] Yep. Yep. Freeman dropped off. [55:40.000 --> 55:41.000] Can you hear me? [55:41.000 --> 55:42.000] Yes. [55:42.000 --> 55:45.000] Oh, I'm sorry about that. My phone had a problem. [55:45.000 --> 55:46.000] That's okay. [55:46.000 --> 55:53.000] I missed something, but I have an IRS problem, and it's really urgent, and I was trying to bring it up, and I thought I lost you. [55:53.000 --> 56:04.000] Okay. Well, listen, Freeman, before we move on to another question, another topic, subject of discussion with you, let us go to Christopher in Illinois because he's been waiting for a very, very long time. [56:04.000 --> 56:06.000] And then we'll come back to you, okay? [56:06.000 --> 56:07.000] Okay. Okay. Thank you. [56:07.000 --> 56:09.000] All right. So just hold. [56:09.000 --> 56:17.000] All right. We're going to go now to Christopher in Illinois who waited for half the show earlier and then called back in. [56:17.000 --> 56:19.000] Thanks for calling back in, Christopher. [56:19.000 --> 56:21.000] What's on your mind tonight? [56:21.000 --> 56:31.000] Well, I just want to give you the status of what's going on with me in my various situations with the courts. [56:31.000 --> 56:40.000] The first one is that State Trooper 1 where I had a cracked windshield. There's some really peculiar things going on with that now. [56:40.000 --> 56:48.000] I don't know if I told you that I actually filed a negative assortment with the court, and I had trouble with it. [56:48.000 --> 56:57.000] Initially, the lady took it in, filed stamped it, and filed stamped all my copies, and then directed me to go across the hall to the Civil Department. [56:57.000 --> 57:07.000] They refused to file it, and then I went back to the original lady at the traffic ticket counter, and I asked her why that was, [57:07.000 --> 57:14.000] and they then requested my documents back, and I said, no, until I find out what you're going to do. [57:14.000 --> 57:24.000] So eventually, the head of the department, the head of the clerks came over and requested my documents, and I said, no, why do you want them? [57:24.000 --> 57:30.000] And eventually, I found I heard them talking to the lady, so you should never file this. [57:30.000 --> 57:36.000] So he came back to me and said, well, we'll accept them. You're filing your court docket. [57:36.000 --> 57:46.000] So I walked out of there with about seven file stamped copies of this negative assortment, and then when the next, the step number two occurred, [57:46.000 --> 57:59.000] I sent the copies, notarized copies first, then I went to the prosecutors, got my copies stamped, went to the court, and they refused point blank to file them, [57:59.000 --> 58:04.000] or to file that one, you know, the notice of default, they refused. [58:04.000 --> 58:07.000] What state are you in? [58:07.000 --> 58:08.000] Illinois. [58:08.000 --> 58:10.000] I'm in Illinois, and it's Will County Court. [58:10.000 --> 58:13.000] Christopher, send them in registered mail. [58:13.000 --> 58:16.000] I did. [58:16.000 --> 58:34.000] If you're at the courthouse and the clerk refuses to accept the filing, what I suggest you do is say, oh, okay, go out, go to security. [58:34.000 --> 58:39.000] Go to the guys at the little metal detector and ask them who's the head of security. [58:39.000 --> 58:45.000] And when they tell you who head of security is, go to him and tell him, come with me. [58:45.000 --> 58:47.000] I need you. [58:47.000 --> 58:49.000] Go back to the clerk. [58:49.000 --> 58:52.000] We attempt to file your documents. [58:52.000 --> 58:59.000] And when the clerk refuses, turn to the head of security and tell him, arrest that person. [58:59.000 --> 59:06.000] I'll swear out the complaint for official oppression for failing to perform her duty. [59:06.000 --> 59:17.000] Now, if the clerk has a good reason for not accepting your document, I am sure she'll tell this policeman before he puts the cuffs on her. [59:17.000 --> 59:19.000] Well, what the hell has come up with? [59:19.000 --> 59:25.000] Okay, what will actually happen is the security will refuse to arrest the clerk. [59:25.000 --> 59:26.000] Yes. [59:26.000 --> 59:32.000] But I assure you, you will get her attention. [59:32.000 --> 59:42.000] So if the security refuses to arrest the clerk, then ask security, oh, where can I find the grand jury? [59:42.000 --> 59:43.000] Okay, Illinois. [59:43.000 --> 59:46.000] Illinois has a grand jury. [59:46.000 --> 59:57.000] So asking where you can find the grand jury, and he'll tell you either where to go or he'll tell you he doesn't know, and you say thank you and leave. [59:57.000 --> 01:00:04.000] Then file criminal charges against the clerk for official oppression. [01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:08.000] Almost every state has this statute. [01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:18.000] You go to the clerk and you try to file a document, and the clerk doesn't allow you to file the document. [01:00:18.000 --> 01:00:27.000] The clerk denies you the right to petition the court of redress of grievance. [01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:33.000] That's a constitutional violation, and it's a violation of law. [01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.000] Yeah, find your local government code, Christopher. [01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:40.000] The local government code will cover the duties of the clerk. [01:00:40.000 --> 01:01:00.000] If a public official violates any law relating to their office and in the process denies you as a sovereign citizen and the full and free access to or enjoyment of any right, that public official has committed a crime. [01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.000] And this is kind of a strategy, a state of mind. [01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:12.000] You know, you're trying to get something done in your case, and you tend to focus on that. [01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:27.000] So when you go down and try to file this document in your behalf and your public officials refuse to do their duty, then you stop considering the document that's in your behalf. [01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.000] You know, I talk about having two halves. [01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:49.000] When I go into a courtroom, when I'm being drawn into a courtroom, I put on my litigant's hat and we litigate the case until one of my public officials steps across one of my legal lines. [01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:51.000] Then I take off my litigant's hat. [01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:57.000] I put on my sovereign's hat and say, wait a minute, Bubba, you're bound to my law. [01:01:57.000 --> 01:02:00.000] You either follow my law or I want you arrested. [01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:03.000] And then you start going after the official. [01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:18.000] And especially with clerks, the way I like to do it is if I expect the clerk not to take my documentation, I go to the security first and tell them, you know, I'm coming here to file some documents. [01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:25.000] And I expect that the clerk, because she has in the past, refuses to accept my filings. [01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:36.000] When she does this this time, I want you to be there so you can observe the infraction occur and then I'm going to want you to arrest the clerk. [01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:47.000] And you haven't lived until you did that to a security officer and watch his chin bounce off his chest and then tell him, come with me. [01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.000] Okay. [01:02:49.000 --> 01:02:53.000] What you have done is turn the tables completely on them. [01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:55.000] Right. [01:02:55.000 --> 01:03:02.000] Now they can't say that you were creating a disturbance because you can say, what are you talking about? [01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:09.000] I went and got security and brought them with me because I had reason to believe these people committed crime. [01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:18.000] And it puts security in a very uncomfortable position, situation. [01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:18.000] Right. [01:03:18.000 --> 01:03:28.000] And when you have security with you, I just recently went to the Justice of Peace, Travis County, asked for some documents that the law commanded them to make available. [01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:33.000] She said, well, you need to go see the clerk, the county clerk. [01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:35.000] And I said, well, I did. [01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.000] Well, did she have those documents? [01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:38.000] I said, yes, she did. [01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.000] Well, then you need to go down and see her. [01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:44.000] I said, no, ma'am, the law requires that you provide them. [01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:45.000] I want to see them now. [01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:48.000] Well, you'll have to go see the clerk. [01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:49.000] Wait right here. [01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:50.000] I'll be right back. [01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.000] I need to go see security. [01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.000] And I walked out. [01:03:55.000 --> 01:04:00.000] This clerk just lost it. [01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:12.000] She collapsed into tears and ran in crying to the Justice of the Peace because I went to get security to arrest her. [01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:31.000] I tell you, if you're careful and you think of what you're doing in terms of you being a sovereign instead of a defensive litigant, everything changes. [01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:40.000] And it'll also help you to keep from getting angry and raising your voice and making threats. [01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.000] Never do that kind of thing. [01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:51.000] Well, there was not a peculiarity that he brought up, which I had never heard of. [01:04:51.000 --> 01:05:02.000] The original time that they tried to stop me from finding the first document, they said, it's a counterclaim, as they said. [01:05:02.000 --> 01:05:05.000] Well, we don't file those here. [01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:06.000] Wait, wait, wait. [01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.000] You filed a counterclaim? [01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.000] No. [01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:14.000] Did you or did you file a negative averment and they called it a counterclaim? [01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:15.000] No. [01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:20.000] It has negative averment opportunities to secure and counterclaim on the head. [01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:21.000] Okay. [01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:26.000] Understand that different states have different variations. [01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:34.000] And what you called a negative averment, they may actually call a counterclaim. [01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:39.000] Because as I understand negative averment, that's essentially what it is. [01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:40.000] Right. [01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:41.000] But here's the thing. [01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:46.000] I've actually filed the same type of document in two other court cases in the same state. [01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:48.000] I have had no problems whatsoever. [01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:52.000] They may have actually looked it over because they've never seen it. [01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.000] Wait a minute. [01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:56.000] Did they call you a vexatious litigant? [01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:57.000] No. [01:05:57.000 --> 01:05:58.000] Okay. [01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:59.000] No, they didn't. [01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:04.000] When I went to file the second document or the second step of the process, it took about [01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.000] 10 minutes or so for the actual guy, the head of the department, to come over and say, [01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.000] I spoke to you last time and you're not meant to file these sort of things. [01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:16.000] I said, where is the counterclaim on the heading? [01:06:16.000 --> 01:06:20.000] He flipped to the last page and that's where it had it. [01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:22.000] This is a clerk? [01:06:22.000 --> 01:06:23.000] Yes. [01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.000] This is a clerk on the court. [01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:35.000] You ask, then, when any time a clerk tells you how your document should be styled, ask [01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:37.000] the clerk for the bar card. [01:06:37.000 --> 01:06:38.000] Yeah. [01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:41.000] Or he wants us to practice law. [01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:42.000] Right. [01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:47.000] A clerk is forbidden to give legal advice and they'll tell you that real fast. [01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:51.000] If you try to get them to do something that they don't want to do, they'll tell you real [01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:55.000] fast how they're, or if you ask them how to do something, they'll tell you, well, I'll [01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:56.000] give you legal advice. [01:06:56.000 --> 01:07:01.000] But when you come down there and try to do something they don't want you to do, they're [01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.000] real quick to give you legal advice. [01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.000] Yes. [01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:10.000] There's another lady, the first one, who refused the filing of the civil counter. [01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:15.000] She refused it basically because she said, this has got the word counterclaim in it. [01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.000] You have to rename it. [01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:19.000] I said, no. [01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:22.000] And by that time, the other people had stepped out. [01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.000] That is clearly legal advice. [01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:28.000] What you need to do then is say, wait right here. [01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.000] I'll be right back. [01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.000] Someone's going to want to talk to you. [01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:34.000] And then you go get security. [01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:39.000] Bring security back and ask security to arrest them. [01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.000] Now, security's not going to want to arrest them. [01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.000] They're going to get real excited. [01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:51.000] But the problem is is they can't get too excited against you because you are the victim. [01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:58.000] If anything will get these guys to do what they're supposed to, that will. [01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:04.000] The interesting thing is that out of all the courts I've been in, this is the only one [01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:13.000] that has got a notice by the windows that says 720 ILCS 5-32-8, [01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.000] which is tampering with public documents. [01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:18.000] This is legal. [01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.000] Every court I go into has that. [01:08:21.000 --> 01:08:26.000] Well, the other thing is it's like I'm now noticing that if a court has that, [01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.000] then that's what they will do. [01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:30.000] Here's the deal. [01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.000] The clerk cannot make that determination. [01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:38.000] If the clerk attempts to make that determination, [01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:43.000] then I charge the clerk with impersonating a judicial officer. [01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:52.000] Only the judge can determine whether or not that's a false filing, not the clerk. [01:08:52.000 --> 01:08:58.000] I was in Pennsylvania doing a seminar, and this guy asked a question. [01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:05.000] What can I do when a clerk accepts a false notice of lien from an IRS agent? [01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.000] Can I go after the clerk? [01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:14.000] I said, be careful what you ask for. [01:09:14.000 --> 01:09:19.000] Absolutely not. [01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:28.000] I do not want the clerk to have any say in what I file. [01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:35.000] So if the IRS comes down to file something, she just stamps it, puts it in the record. [01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:41.000] If I have a problem with it, then I file a motion with the court to have it removed. [01:09:41.000 --> 01:09:51.000] But I darn sure don't want that clerk saying, telling me what she wants to file and what she does not. [01:09:51.000 --> 01:10:00.000] And on the other side of that, I will not allow the clerk to decide what she wants to file and what she does not. [01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:09.000] If she attempts to exercise some discretion in that matter, I don't argue with them. [01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:13.000] I don't tell them what my rights are. I don't tell them what they're supposed to do. [01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:21.000] I just say, wait right here. Someone's going to want to talk to you. [01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:29.000] And then I ask, where is security? And that absolutely gets their attention. [01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:34.000] That's what we as sovereigns should be doing. [01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:44.000] If you own a business and you have someone down on the bottom end of the rung doing something improper, [01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:48.000] are you going to go to that person and chew them out? [01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:53.000] You're going to go to the guy under you and say, what the heck's going on down there? [01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:57.000] And he's going to go to the guy under him and he's going to go to the guy under him. [01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:00.000] We follow the chain of command. [01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:06.000] In the chain of command, you are the sovereign. [01:11:06.000 --> 01:11:11.000] When I go to this clerk and ask this clerk to perform her duty that she doesn't, [01:11:11.000 --> 01:11:18.000] I'm not going to try to give her legal advice. I'm not going to explain what she should do. [01:11:18.000 --> 01:11:24.000] I'm going to go to the person who's charged with the responsibility of enforcing law [01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:28.000] and make sure she does what she's supposed to do. [01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.000] And when that person comes back to the first person and says, [01:11:31.000 --> 01:11:34.000] hey, why is this guy trying to get you arrested? [01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:39.000] You better believe you got their attention. [01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:41.000] And I think I talked too long. [01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.000] Craig, I interrupted you. [01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:48.000] I did actually, the same day that this negative argument was refused, [01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:52.000] I did actually speak to her and she was telling me that just in the registered mail, [01:11:52.000 --> 01:12:00.000] which I did the same day. And on the back, I just had to be filed in my court case file. [01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:07.000] And I gave, I re-quoted that statute on the back of the envelope. [01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:11.000] Wait. [01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:18.000] I'm missing a little bit. You're kind of breaking up there. [01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:22.000] What was the nature of the document that you filed? [01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:26.000] It was a notice of default and three-day opportunity to cure. [01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.000] Okay. Did the clerk take it and stamp it into the court record? [01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:36.000] No. She took all my copies and gave it to someone else because she recognized me. [01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:40.000] And that lady went into the back and I didn't see anything or anyone for 10 minutes. [01:12:40.000 --> 01:12:47.000] Then the actual guy who tried to get me back or asked me for my documents the first time was there. [01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:53.000] So he walked, you know, up the hallway and told me that you can't file this as a counterclaim. [01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:56.000] I said, no, it's not. [01:12:56.000 --> 01:13:03.000] Okay. He may be right, but we don't care. [01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:07.000] This is how we make sure that everybody's following law. [01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.000] If I go down to file a document, [01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:18.000] I am not the least bit interested in what the clerk thinks about that document. [01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:25.000] And even if my document is entirely bogus, if the clerk refuses to file that document, [01:13:25.000 --> 01:13:31.000] I'm going to call security, and I'm going to do it amicably. [01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:39.000] I'm going to say, look, I realize that you believe that you are authorized to do what you're doing. [01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:47.000] But I don't think you're authorized, so we need to get this adjudicated in court. [01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:52.000] I call 911 and ask for security to come down and take my complaint. [01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:58.000] Now, I tell them all the time, you know, this is how we get these disagreements straightened out. [01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:02.000] We don't get them straightened out by arguing with one another, [01:14:02.000 --> 01:14:07.000] by me telling you what my rights are and what you're supposed to do. [01:14:07.000 --> 01:14:10.000] This is adjudicated in court. [01:14:10.000 --> 01:14:14.000] So you call security, ask them to come down and take the complaint. [01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:18.000] And you know security knows these people, and they work with them all the time. [01:14:18.000 --> 01:14:21.000] They're not going to take your complaint. [01:14:21.000 --> 01:14:26.000] Now you file against security, and you create this problem. [01:14:26.000 --> 01:14:34.000] And in this way, we bring it back to the courts, and the courts make the determination. [01:14:34.000 --> 01:14:40.000] This is generally you will never get back to the courts. [01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:45.000] Generally, they'll say, wait a minute, wait a minute, okay. [01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:52.000] And what I tell clerks, if you think there's something wrong with this document, [01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:59.000] then first thing you must do is what the law commands you to do and file it. [01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:09.000] Now you can prepare a motion to the court asking the court to rule on the validity of this document. [01:15:09.000 --> 01:15:16.000] The court, the judicial branch, the judges are the ones that make these decisions, not you. [01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:19.000] So let's get them to do it. [01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:22.000] You will almost never get that far. [01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:28.000] But by following these steps cleanly, don't argue with the clerk. [01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:38.000] Go to the next step first and get someone else to ask the clerk questions in your behalf, security. [01:15:38.000 --> 01:15:40.000] And then move on to the courts. [01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:44.000] The clerk is going to file your documents. [01:15:44.000 --> 01:15:54.000] And most any interaction you get into with public officials, it's best if you handle it this way. [01:15:54.000 --> 01:16:00.000] Do not get upset. Do not let them get you into confrontation. [01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:05.000] You're the clerk. Here are my documents. I expect you to file them. [01:16:05.000 --> 01:16:07.000] You don't want to file them? [01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:13.000] I will get this guy over here that's here to keep the peace and make sure nobody violates law. [01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:17.000] Come here. I need you to file this complaint for me. [01:16:17.000 --> 01:16:26.000] This guy, as he's supposed to, will talk to the other person and say, hey, how can we make this go away? [01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:28.000] Does this make sense? [01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:36.000] If I sound like I'm kind of going on, it's because I'm not really familiar with the specifics of Illinois law. [01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:40.000] So I'm kind of going over the general strategy. [01:16:40.000 --> 01:16:42.000] Does that make sense? [01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:48.000] Yes. The problem is I haven't had any trouble whatsoever in the two other court cases I have. [01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:51.000] One is in DuPage County and the other one is in Kane County. [01:16:51.000 --> 01:16:54.000] This is the first time I've experienced this sort of stuff. [01:16:54.000 --> 01:17:03.000] And it seems as though everyone there has been told by the judges, I'm saying it seems because I don't have any proof, [01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:11.000] do not allow people to file counterclaims because people that seem to be in charge of the places [01:17:11.000 --> 01:17:15.000] where you file, they're the ones that come to me and say, I refuse this document, you know. [01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:18.000] And then when I say, well, what law are you operating under? [01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:19.000] They don't tell me. [01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:22.000] You have to provide me with a law to say whether I have to file it or not. [01:17:22.000 --> 01:17:24.000] That's what they come back with. [01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:25.000] Yes. Okay. [01:17:25.000 --> 01:17:29.000] What I'm going to suggest is that... [01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.000] Okay. You're saying that the clerk is telling you that you have to provide them with the law? [01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:37.000] Yes, because I confronted the lady the first time. [01:17:37.000 --> 01:17:43.000] I walked across the hall to the civil section and she said, well, what law is there? [01:17:43.000 --> 01:17:51.000] This woman would not want to say that to me because I would look around and see if I could find a bailiff [01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:52.000] and I can find one. [01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:57.000] You, come here, arrest this woman. [01:17:57.000 --> 01:18:00.000] You want me to provide you with the law? [01:18:00.000 --> 01:18:02.000] Here it is. [01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:06.000] Okay. Understand, she is bound to follow the law. [01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:14.000] She may only do what the law clearly allows her to do. [01:18:14.000 --> 01:18:20.000] And she must do what the law clearly commands her to do. [01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:27.000] So if she wants to play that game, then I'm not going to personally argue with her. [01:18:27.000 --> 01:18:33.000] I'm going to bring someone else with official authority and ask him to arrest her. [01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:42.000] Now, she stands over there and watches me arguing with this police officer trying to get him to arrest her. [01:18:42.000 --> 01:18:46.000] I guarantee you that gets your attention. [01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:55.000] And one time you may have problems and you walk through this routine, never get angry, [01:18:55.000 --> 01:19:04.000] never get excited because there is always something else you can do. [01:19:04.000 --> 01:19:06.000] We have plenty of remedies. [01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:10.000] Always remember you have remedies, so don't get angry at them. [01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:13.000] Just call security and ask them to arrest them. [01:19:13.000 --> 01:19:15.000] Okay. [01:19:15.000 --> 01:19:18.000] Yeah, see, here we can... [01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:19.000] Go ahead. [01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:27.000] I'm saying here you can scare the crap out of the clerk just by telling them you're going to press a charge of obstructing government operation. [01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.000] That's one they love to throw at you, but if you actually read the statute, [01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:36.000] it wouldn't apply to her or to you unless you were impeding a police officer or an animal control officer. [01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:39.000] But the clerk's not going to know that. [01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:45.000] You're going to hit the clerk with impeding a government function when the clerk themselves is a government employee. [01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:48.000] It will scare the crap out of them. [01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:49.000] Okay. [01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:51.000] Eddie, pick up. [01:19:51.000 --> 01:19:54.000] I'm going to take a break for just a minute. [01:19:54.000 --> 01:19:55.000] Okay. [01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:56.000] Go ahead. [01:19:56.000 --> 01:19:57.000] Okay. [01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:00.000] I'll be right back. [01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.000] Okay, yeah. [01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:05.000] Let's take a break for a second and we'll come back and finish up Christopher. [01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:09.000] And then we're going to take Freeman to discuss his other issue. [01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.000] We also have another caller, David, on the line, a first-time caller. [01:20:12.000 --> 01:20:13.000] All right. [01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:18.000] He said he mainly wanted to listen, but I wanted to bring him on the air at the end. [01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:44.000] So, all right, gang, late night crew, we will be right back in just a few minutes. [01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:52.000] Thank you. [01:20:52.000 --> 01:21:18.000] Thank you. [01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:23.000] Thank you. [01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:46.000] Thank you. [01:21:46.000 --> 01:21:49.000] Thank you. [01:21:49.000 --> 01:22:16.000] Thank you. [01:22:16.000 --> 01:22:19.000] Thank you. [01:22:46.000 --> 01:22:51.000] Thank you. [01:22:51.000 --> 01:23:00.000] Thank you. [01:23:00.000 --> 01:23:09.000] Thank you. [01:23:09.000 --> 01:23:11.000] Oh, come. [01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:16.000] Oh come on, come on [01:23:41.000 --> 01:23:44.000] Oh come on [01:24:11.000 --> 01:24:16.000] Hello [01:24:16.000 --> 01:24:21.000] Yes George, how good of you to call [01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:26.000] Yeah, we had dinner with the Chaneys last week [01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:31.000] We had a great time, sitting around talking about politics [01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:36.000] You know [01:24:36.000 --> 01:24:41.000] And I saw when Mr. Chaney was peeing for the tab [01:24:41.000 --> 01:24:45.000] I saw a big red stain on his wall [01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:48.000] And I was thinking to myself [01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:53.000] Heavens, you know, the war must be going [01:24:53.000 --> 01:25:07.000] Hmm, I've seen red money [01:25:07.000 --> 01:25:10.000] Red money is here, it's worth its weight in a bill [01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.000] Red money [01:25:14.000 --> 01:25:18.000] Out on a soldier's desk, cause the money's so red [01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:22.000] It's red money [01:25:22.000 --> 01:25:27.000] It's red money [01:25:27.000 --> 01:25:32.000] It used to be so green [01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:36.000] Green as money that I ever see [01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:41.000] They used to back it up with silver and gold [01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:46.000] Way back in the days of old [01:25:46.000 --> 01:25:50.000] Okay, we're back [01:25:50.000 --> 01:25:53.000] Extended after hours over time [01:25:53.000 --> 01:25:57.000] On Lula La Radio here [01:25:57.000 --> 01:26:00.000] And we are talking to Christopher in Illinois [01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:04.000] Randy has not returned yet, but we're going on the air anyway [01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:09.000] Because Eddie wanted to talk to Christopher, so [01:26:09.000 --> 01:26:11.000] Christopher, are you there? [01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:12.000] Yes, I am [01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.000] Okay, great, great [01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:18.000] Alright, go ahead, go ahead, yeah [01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:20.000] Hello? Yes? [01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:21.000] Did you? [01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:24.000] Yeah, you were talking about your negative averment [01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:28.000] And then how the deal will get in the court to take it [01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:30.000] Yes [01:26:30.000 --> 01:26:34.000] Okay, and you said that's the only time that you've had a problem with it was this particular instance, right? [01:26:34.000 --> 01:26:37.000] They were complaining about the word [01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.000] The word counterclaim is what they [01:26:40.000 --> 01:26:45.000] The word that they were having a problem with was the word counterclaim [01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:48.000] Okay [01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:53.000] Well, what I would do in your case, just to make it easy on myself [01:26:53.000 --> 01:26:56.000] I'd go back in there with my pocket recorder [01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:59.000] And I'd attempt to file it once again [01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:03.000] And if the clerk gives you that same information [01:27:03.000 --> 01:27:07.000] Ask the clerk if they are actually giving you legal advice [01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:10.000] Or refusing to perform from their duty [01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:14.000] Failing that, get it on tape, but after that you can always send it in registered mail [01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:18.000] They can't refuse it if it's sent in registered mail and signed for [01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:24.000] It has to be considered filed [01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:25.000] Hello? [01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:27.000] Yeah, he just dropped off, but he called right back in [01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:29.000] Christopher, you back? [01:27:29.000 --> 01:27:30.000] Yes, I am [01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:33.000] Okay, yeah, okay [01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:36.000] Will you please repeat that, Eddie, about the registered mail? [01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:40.000] Yeah, if you go in and you ask them and they still refuse to take it [01:27:40.000 --> 01:27:44.000] Get them on tape, ask them are they giving you legal advice [01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:49.000] And are they refusing to perform their duty as a clerk [01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:51.000] It doesn't matter what they answer, if they don't take it [01:27:51.000 --> 01:27:56.000] You can always send it in registered mail because then it has to be considered filed [01:27:56.000 --> 01:28:00.000] You have a receipt showing that it was sent in and signed for [01:28:00.000 --> 01:28:01.000] Okay [01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:04.000] So they can't refuse it at that point [01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:07.000] There's no way for them to refuse it at that point [01:28:07.000 --> 01:28:12.000] Okay, now I'd like to talk about two other cases [01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:15.000] But this one has got some more peculiarities that I haven't mentioned [01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:18.000] Which you will find very interesting [01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:24.000] When I sent in my first copies to the judges of the first part of the negative alone itself [01:28:24.000 --> 01:28:27.000] As well as actually having them file stamped, having them file stamped [01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:33.000] And then sent the individual people listed on the defendant side [01:28:33.000 --> 01:28:36.000] I sent them copies to the copies, went to two judges [01:28:36.000 --> 01:28:39.000] The chief judge and the judge who was on my docket [01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:43.000] Those were never, they went by certified mail [01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:46.000] And I could never find that they were delivered [01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:50.000] So I sent two more after talking to the postmaster [01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:53.000] And they never showed up as being delivered [01:28:53.000 --> 01:28:58.000] I then rang up the clerk and I was sorry, the chief judge's assistant [01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:02.000] And I said did these ever get delivered [01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:05.000] And she came back three minutes later and said yes they did [01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:10.000] And I got it on recording, I actually recorded the whole conversation on my computer [01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:16.000] So there was two identical envelopes, eight by eight and a half by eleven [01:29:16.000 --> 01:29:21.000] And those never got scanned twice [01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:25.000] I had sent an envelope with the cancel tickets [01:29:25.000 --> 01:29:29.000] Which was a regular envelope and they got scanned so they were delivered [01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.000] But these two large ones were never done [01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:36.000] Do you have the post office run a trace on them? [01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:40.000] Because of the certified mail they couldn't find where the problem was [01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:44.000] I eventually found out that they had been delivered [01:29:44.000 --> 01:29:49.000] But they had never been, and I basically deduced that they had never been scanned [01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:51.000] To show that they had been delivered [01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:56.000] And I spoke to the postmaster about this and he was dumbfounded [01:29:56.000 --> 01:30:01.000] But he gave me a few options as to how to go about getting a filing signed for [01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:03.000] Why I went the registered route [01:30:03.000 --> 01:30:08.000] Because also Wendy told me that's what to do [01:30:08.000 --> 01:30:11.000] So that's that situation [01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.000] Is it okay to ask for two others? [01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.000] My mother's a little bit longer than I thought it would be [01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:19.000] No, go ahead [01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:23.000] Now with the Wheaton situation which is where I went to court [01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:27.000] And the judge and prosecutor weren't there and I agreed stupidly to come back [01:30:27.000 --> 01:30:31.000] And then I rescinded that agreement the next day [01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:34.000] I actually have filed two separate negative amendments [01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:39.000] The first one, counterclaim, is about $750,000 [01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:42.000] The second one is $450 million [01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:47.000] Now the reason why I went that high is because there was a court transcript that was altered [01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:53.000] And there are four recordings of that court proceeding that I can prove exist [01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:58.000] And I know that that court transcript was altered so I actually hit the mid [01:30:58.000 --> 01:31:02.000] What I thought would be something to have them take notice [01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:05.000] I filed that on the 4th of May on the 11th [01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:10.000] They printed out a form letter which said, notice of schedule change [01:31:10.000 --> 01:31:15.000] I received it last night and it's basically telling me that I have to be in court on the 20th of May [01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.000] Which is next week [01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:21.000] And I have a feeling that they're going to really throw the book at me because [01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:24.000] This thing has been, this is the second negative amendment [01:31:24.000 --> 01:31:29.000] The first one has gone all the way through to the Nehilda set which is the final step 6 [01:31:29.000 --> 01:31:34.000] Without anyone saying anything, rebuffing anything or even responding to it [01:31:34.000 --> 01:31:40.000] This one is now on step 2 which is the notice of default [01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:46.000] Okay, well let's backtrack just one second here to that altered transcript you're talking about [01:31:46.000 --> 01:31:52.000] According to the information you have from the recording, what part of the transcript has been altered? [01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:57.000] The judge, when he, he had two motions, we were arguing two motions that day [01:31:57.000 --> 01:32:01.000] And there was one called lack of corpus delicti [01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:06.000] And the other one was David Merlin's traffic-joinder motion to dismiss for lack of pastamon jurisdiction [01:32:06.000 --> 01:32:12.000] We argued the lack of corpus delicti and then as he was dismissing that he said [01:32:12.000 --> 01:32:17.000] I'm also going to dismiss this one because, and these are the words that were deleted [01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:20.000] I don't think you have the right to travel [01:32:20.000 --> 01:32:26.000] The prosecutor never rebuffed that motion, he didn't say a word [01:32:26.000 --> 01:32:29.000] The judge dismissed that motion out of hand [01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:36.000] Wait a minute, wait a minute, the judge actually said on the record that he doesn't think you have the right to travel? [01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:44.000] Yes, and that's why I know that that stands as truth because that's taken out, that specific wording is taken out [01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:48.000] Okay, here's problem number one for the judge then [01:32:48.000 --> 01:32:52.000] The judge has just testified to the evidence and the documentation in the trial [01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:58.000] He's not allowed to speak to the evidence nor is he allowed to provide testimony from the bench [01:32:58.000 --> 01:33:02.000] That's strictly forbidden [01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:07.000] And that's exactly what he's doing [01:33:07.000 --> 01:33:16.000] Yes, and that's why I know that the information in that traffic-joinder stands as truth because otherwise he would never have said that [01:33:16.000 --> 01:33:22.000] And he would never have allowed, he would never have dismissed the motion without allowing the prosecutor to say something [01:33:22.000 --> 01:33:25.000] The prosecutor didn't say a word, not a word on that thing [01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:36.000] Right, the first thing you need to do is to file for disqualification, not recusal, disqualification on behalf of the judge [01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:45.000] You demand the judge be dismissed, he is disqualified, he is obviously unbiased [01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:56.000] He has violated due process procedure by testifying from the bench and speaking to the evidence directly from the bench [01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:06.000] Here in Texas that's a major no-no, the judge may not testify from the bench nor may the judge speak to the evidence [01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:07.000] Okay [01:34:07.000 --> 01:34:16.000] The only way the judge can address the evidence is to either admit it or deny its admission, that's it [01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:21.000] He cannot address it in any other way, shape or form [01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:29.000] Right, well I kind of get that I'm going to, there's an attempt that's going to be done to rake me over the cold or even put me in custody [01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:33.000] And that's why we send that negative assessment [01:34:33.000 --> 01:34:36.000] Yeah, don't do that [01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:41.000] I was actually thinking about even going in, but I spoke to Wendy, she said well if you do that you're going to be in contempt of court [01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:48.000] So she's primed me on what to do, which is ask for the name and any claim against me [01:34:48.000 --> 01:34:54.000] Was this a bench, are you having a bench trial or were you in front of a jury when he did this? [01:34:54.000 --> 01:35:04.000] No, when he did this it was actually a hearing, well it was a hearing to argue the motions pre-trial [01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:08.000] The jury trial hasn't happened yet, it was meant to happen on the 23rd of April [01:35:08.000 --> 01:35:14.000] And that's when I found that the thing had completely changed, the judge wasn't there, the prosecutor wasn't there [01:35:14.000 --> 01:35:19.000] And I was in and out of the court in ten minutes, which is, I've never had that happen before [01:35:19.000 --> 01:35:26.000] Okay, wait, wait, wait, here's problem number two, you had a scheduled appearance date in court and neither the judge nor the prosecutor showed up [01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:34.000] That's right, and that's when I was asked if you can attend to another appearance on the 11th of August [01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:39.000] Randy can speak to that, but if they didn't notify you before that and you showed up [01:35:39.000 --> 01:36:01.000] I also filed a request before, what was it? Where'd he go? Hello? Deborah? [01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:10.000] Hold on, I was screening a call, okay, he just called back in, yeah, that's why I muted my mic because I was screening the call [01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:15.000] David dropped off the line and he called back in, and there's Christopher, okay he called back in too [01:36:15.000 --> 01:36:18.000] Sorry about that, so [01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:24.000] Yeah guys, just keep in mind, just everyone keep in mind, I'm producing a show all by myself, all the time [01:36:24.000 --> 01:36:29.000] And so if you ever call out for me and I'm not there right away it's because I'm screening a call or dealing with something [01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.000] Yeah, no problem, I just want to make sure I'm not the one that got lost [01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.000] No, no, no, no, everything's good, okay, go ahead [01:36:35.000 --> 01:36:39.000] Okay, Christopher, before you go further, let me clarify what you just said here [01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:43.000] You showed up in court on a date and time you were supposed to be there [01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:48.000] You were not notified that there had been a change and neither the judge nor the prosecutor were there [01:36:48.000 --> 01:36:51.000] That's right, correct [01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:56.000] Okay, and this was a pre-trial hearing or this was a walk-through? [01:36:56.000 --> 01:37:01.000] No, this was a trial date, I was meant to be there and there was a trial that was meant to happen [01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:06.000] Okay, in that case then you should file for a complete and total dismissal [01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:15.000] Because you met the date and time to produce your case and the prosecution did not show, that's a default [01:37:15.000 --> 01:37:19.000] Right, well that's what I did [01:37:19.000 --> 01:37:28.000] I had some help with Wendy helping me through this and I did file something, I can't remember the exact documents strange enough [01:37:28.000 --> 01:37:33.000] I can't remember the exact documents that I filed but it was to do with this case should now be dismissed [01:37:33.000 --> 01:37:36.000] and then I had the squares agree or disagree [01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:37.000] And I've never heard anything [01:37:37.000 --> 01:37:39.000] Was that a summary judgment? [01:37:39.000 --> 01:37:43.000] No, it wasn't a summary judgment, it was something slightly different [01:37:43.000 --> 01:37:44.000] Okay [01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:48.000] For the last thing I can't remember what it was [01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:55.000] It should have just been a motion to dismiss, failure to prosecute [01:37:55.000 --> 01:38:02.000] I don't think it was that either, I have to check back on my computer, I'm not on it at the moment [01:38:02.000 --> 01:38:09.000] Now, here's the last situation and this is the peculiar one tying them all up together [01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:14.000] Every time I've put a negative agreement into the court apart from the one to do with the court transcript [01:38:14.000 --> 01:38:20.000] because all I want to do with that one is just to nail the ones who are involved in that personally [01:38:20.000 --> 01:38:24.000] I've got another situation in Aurora next door [01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:29.000] We've got up to same sort of stuff, no driver license and all that stuff [01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:35.000] And I got up to point number six and just before I file that I got a response from the Secretary of State [01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:40.000] Now the Secretary of State has been sent this stuff from every single court case I've had [01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:48.000] And yet he responds on this one and the wording that is used, like the wording like vague, frivolous [01:38:48.000 --> 01:38:54.000] is the exact words that the judge has been using to dismiss all these motions that I've been presenting to him [01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:58.000] He has not responded on any of the others, yet with this one he has [01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:06.000] And what I did with that one was the motion that came in to dismiss my charges [01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:11.000] I just put on there no contract, no consent, void, signed it and then sent it back to the judge [01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:19.000] sorry, sent it back to the father in the court and then sent it back a copy to him and his lawyer that he's fired in Chicago [01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:24.000] But I'm just finding it very, very peculiar that he is doing it on this particular court case [01:39:24.000 --> 01:39:30.000] whereas the other two, nothing has happened [01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:33.000] So that's that one [01:39:33.000 --> 01:39:41.000] Well that's kind of confusing, why is the Secretary of State sending you anything? [01:39:41.000 --> 01:39:50.000] I have no idea, I have him as a defendant because my purpose in the end when I've got rid of all these [01:39:50.000 --> 01:39:57.000] is to actually create a document which names all the officials in Congress and in the Senate [01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:04.000] and basically all the guys who are causing the shenanigans in this country so that I can nail them with one document [01:40:04.000 --> 01:40:10.000] So what was his response on, was it a letter or was it a motion? [01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:19.000] It was a motion to dismiss, well actually when you have the heading you have the plaintiff and then you have the defendant [01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:24.000] On the other side you usually have the caption of the motion where all it had was the name of the judge [01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:29.000] and then underneath that where it starts the paragraph it has a heading [01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:34.000] I think it was motion to dismiss charges or whatever the motion is [01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:39.000] The best view is to get to motion to dismiss what I have filed [01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:45.000] which is a negative argument against him [01:40:45.000 --> 01:40:52.000] Okay [01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:58.000] Well the only thing about it is, is when did he schedule his motion for hearing? [01:40:58.000 --> 01:41:02.000] The 29th of May [01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:10.000] My original hearing was to be the 11th of July which is where they were going to kind of [01:41:10.000 --> 01:41:15.000] because I filed a bunch of stuff on the 16th of April and I arrived in court on the 17th [01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:19.000] which is the deadline by which I had to file all the stuff that I wanted to file [01:41:19.000 --> 01:41:26.000] and then it was rescheduled to the 11th of July to hear arguments or make final orders or whatever [01:41:26.000 --> 01:41:34.000] and then this arrives and it says the lawyer for the Secretary of State is going to be appearing on the 29th of May [01:41:34.000 --> 01:41:39.000] with notice of filing, notice of appearance, notice of motion [01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.000] So when I [01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:45.000] And who is the lawyer for the Secretary of State? [01:41:45.000 --> 01:41:48.000] Lisa Madigan in Chicago [01:41:48.000 --> 01:41:53.000] And she's a private lawyer? She's not with the Attorney General's office? [01:41:53.000 --> 01:41:58.000] No, she is a Attorney General [01:41:58.000 --> 01:42:00.000] She's the Attorney General? [01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:01.000] Yes [01:42:01.000 --> 01:42:06.000] Did you file against him in his official or his personal capacity? [01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:08.000] In his official capacity [01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.000] Okay, that's why she can represent him [01:42:10.000 --> 01:42:17.000] Had you filed against him in his personal and official capacity he would have had to pay out of his pocket for an attorney [01:42:17.000 --> 01:42:19.000] Right [01:42:19.000 --> 01:42:24.000] But you need to verify that in the Illinois statutes [01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:31.000] The Attorney General in Texas, there's only specific times when he is allowed to act in defense of public officials [01:42:31.000 --> 01:42:35.000] So see if that qualification exists in Illinois as well [01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:47.000] Well, she is quoting some code that talks about public officials and their sovereign immunity while doing their job [01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:51.000] Ah, but is what they're doing within the scope of their job, that's the question [01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:55.000] That's the thing, he's actually outside the scope of it [01:42:55.000 --> 01:42:58.000] Most of these idiots are now outside the scope of their oath of office [01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:05.000] Actually I think 100% of them are including wrong calls [01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:11.000] Well, but you're not looking at it, you can't just look at it from outside the scope of their oath [01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:19.000] If there's in any way the statutes that they've concocted for themselves, the statute allows them to do it [01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:22.000] Then they're not acting outside the scope [01:43:22.000 --> 01:43:30.000] If you can show, however, that their actions exceed the scope of the statutes under which they are operating [01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:34.000] Then you can hang them over a barrel with it [01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:35.000] Right [01:43:35.000 --> 01:43:37.000] But that's the difference [01:43:37.000 --> 01:43:47.000] Acting outside of their oath of office, that's a lot harder to prove unless you can show a constitutional or a rights violation [01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:50.000] You've got to be able to show that [01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:58.000] You can also, anytime they act in a criminal capacity, you can always show they're acting outside of the scope of their authority [01:43:58.000 --> 01:44:02.000] Because they're never authorized to commit a crime [01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:06.000] Okay [01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:09.000] So that's what you're up against when you do that [01:44:09.000 --> 01:44:15.000] But if you name them in their personal capacity, not just their official capacity [01:44:15.000 --> 01:44:24.000] Then they cannot use the attorney general because then they're using public funds for private use and that's embezzlement [01:44:24.000 --> 01:44:27.000] Okay [01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.000] Well, something else I've learned [01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:33.000] Okay [01:44:33.000 --> 01:44:38.000] Yeah, you always want to hit them in the personal capacity as well as their official [01:44:38.000 --> 01:44:43.000] Because then they have to file out of pocket for an attorney just like you do [01:44:43.000 --> 01:44:46.000] Right [01:44:46.000 --> 01:44:52.000] So it's basically having their name in small letters, capital and on, you know, small [01:44:52.000 --> 01:45:05.000] Well, in your complaint you say that this suit is filed against so-and-so in both their personal and official capacities as whatever [01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.000] Okay [01:45:07.000 --> 01:45:08.000] Okay [01:45:08.000 --> 01:45:17.000] And you put that specifically within your complaint and that way you bring them to the personal realm where they have to dig in their own pocket for their defense [01:45:17.000 --> 01:45:21.000] They can't use state funds and state defense attorneys [01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:24.000] Right [01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:29.000] Okay, that sums everything up that I'm going through right now [01:45:29.000 --> 01:45:30.000] All right [01:45:30.000 --> 01:45:34.000] Well, hopefully the discussion gave you some enlightenment on where to go next [01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:37.000] Yes, thank you very, very much for everything [01:45:37.000 --> 01:45:39.000] Yes, sir, you have a good evening [01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:40.000] You too, thank you [01:45:40.000 --> 01:45:44.000] Thanks for calling in Christopher, that was an excellent discussion [01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:45.000] Oh, thank you [01:45:45.000 --> 01:45:46.000] Good [01:45:46.000 --> 01:45:52.000] And I'll keep you guys informed as well because I think a lot of people need to know, you know, the sort of stuff I'm going through [01:45:52.000 --> 01:45:54.000] Yeah, absolutely [01:45:54.000 --> 01:46:01.000] I always love it when you call in, you have great questions and, you know, you're already knowledgeable to a certain extent [01:46:01.000 --> 01:46:06.000] So, you know, it just makes things really, we can hit them a lot harder, you know [01:46:06.000 --> 01:46:12.000] Well, that's one thing I would like to say to everyone who's listening, this stuff is not hard to understand [01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:16.000] They make it hard because they try and obfuscate the truth [01:46:16.000 --> 01:46:17.000] Right [01:46:17.000 --> 01:46:24.000] When one gets involved in this sort of thing and actually decides to fight it, yes, it's overwhelming and daunting at the beginning [01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:34.000] But because if you try on research online, you eventually come across the same stuff that I've come across and it becomes, begins to make sense, you know [01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:43.000] It's kind of like going and watching Siegfried and Roy's show in Las Vegas [01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:51.000] When you're sitting out in the audience and the show's going on, everything looks like it's a wonderful, wonderful thing, it's all magic, it's real [01:46:51.000 --> 01:46:58.000] But if you watched them before the show practicing everything, suddenly the show itself is not the way it used to be [01:46:58.000 --> 01:47:04.000] You understand it better, they don't, they're not able to fool you like they were before [01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:07.000] Yes [01:47:07.000 --> 01:47:13.000] And that's what this stuff is from the lawyer's point of view, it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors and a magic act [01:47:13.000 --> 01:47:15.000] Yep, exactly [01:47:15.000 --> 01:47:28.000] Yeah, and I've actually realized that the way they take back the country is doing this sort of stuff, you know, really hitting them where it hurts, which is in their pockets and their status [01:47:28.000 --> 01:47:33.000] Doing it with violence and guns is not the way, that's over and done with hundreds of years ago, you know [01:47:33.000 --> 01:47:39.000] The way they do it is through the courts and getting back at them through their own system [01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:41.000] Absolutely [01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:44.000] Time for that [01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:49.000] All right, Christopher, yes, good, thanks for calling in and hanging with us so long [01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:51.000] Okay, you're welcome [01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:59.000] Okay, we're going to continue on, we still got two more people on the line, we're going to go back to Freeman [01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:04.000] We've got David from Texas who said he mainly just wanted to listen, I was going to bring him up at the end [01:48:04.000 --> 01:48:09.000] So we're going to go back to Freeman who had a question concerning some IRS issues, okay Freeman, what's up? [01:48:09.000 --> 01:48:11.000] Can you hear me? [01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:12.000] Uh-huh, go ahead [01:48:12.000 --> 01:48:20.000] Well, I wanted to thank Chris for a very interesting and informative array of topics that he brought up [01:48:20.000 --> 01:48:36.000] And in my situation, I hadn't filed any kind of income tax returns or anything for quite a long time, probably about seven years [01:48:36.000 --> 01:48:47.000] I did sign on three or four occasions in that time, something where I was a subcontractor [01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:55.000] And the company was telling me I had to sign whatever it was so they could 1099 me [01:48:55.000 --> 01:48:59.000] It was a W-9 what they wanted you to sign [01:48:59.000 --> 01:49:03.000] Okay, no, I didn't do anything with the 1099s or anything [01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:09.000] I got married a little while back, I wouldn't have done it through the statutory means [01:49:09.000 --> 01:49:19.000] I would have just done it through a mutual agreement, except that the wife is from out of the country, so [01:49:19.000 --> 01:49:22.000] She needed a green card, she needed something so that she could do it [01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:37.000] So I did it under duress and initially we used a sponsor so I could try to avoid filing the last year's tax return [01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:40.000] Wait, what do you mean you did it under a sponsor? What does that mean? [01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:57.000] Okay, they tie in taxes with the whole basically giving you your significant other status adjustments [01:49:57.000 --> 01:49:58.000] Okay [01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:04.000] They use your taxes to determine whether or not you would be a good provider for whoever you're bringing into the country [01:50:04.000 --> 01:50:14.000] Well that's what they say, but it's mighty convenient that it always has to do with something that they rake in the profits from [01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:18.000] Well I think this is probably more the reason [01:50:18.000 --> 01:50:23.000] If you're marrying someone that has citizenship from another country [01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:30.000] The IRS wants to check you out and make sure that you don't owe back taxes [01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:36.000] Because you could bail the country with your new spouse and go live wherever they are [01:50:36.000 --> 01:50:43.000] I mean a lot of times when people go to get passports or other things like this [01:50:43.000 --> 01:50:50.000] Where they're going to be leaving the country, a lot of times the State Department and the IRS want to check you out [01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:55.000] As far as your taxes and your tax returns for your history [01:50:55.000 --> 01:51:00.000] To make sure that you're not going to bail and never come back and not pay them their taxes [01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:03.000] That's what it really is, but anyway go ahead [01:51:03.000 --> 01:51:08.000] Well that's certainly within the potential scope not something that I've been considering [01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:10.000] Yeah, but that's a risk [01:51:10.000 --> 01:51:16.000] The government sees if a US citizen marries somebody who has citizenship from another country [01:51:16.000 --> 01:51:22.000] The US government sees that as a risk that they could get jilted on their taxes [01:51:22.000 --> 01:51:25.000] So that's why they want to do that [01:51:25.000 --> 01:51:26.000] Absolutely [01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:27.000] Okay, so what happened? [01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:30.000] A person is just planning on staying here [01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:34.000] They still want to make sure they try to suck every penny out of them they can [01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.000] Oh yeah, every time [01:51:36.000 --> 01:51:38.000] Squeeze blood out of a turnip [01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:46.000] So basically the sponsor deal, the response was hey this is denied [01:51:46.000 --> 01:51:49.000] He needs to send last year's tax return [01:51:49.000 --> 01:51:50.000] Now who is the sponsor? [01:51:50.000 --> 01:51:52.000] Is the sponsor someone at immigration? [01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.000] A friend, no [01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:55.000] Oh okay, okay I see, I see [01:51:55.000 --> 01:52:01.000] And so they send back a denial and say hey you know he needs to file [01:52:01.000 --> 01:52:11.000] You know the spouse needs to file as the petitioner an 07 tax return which we haven't received [01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:13.000] And so under the rest I go ahead and do it [01:52:13.000 --> 01:52:15.000] I hadn't read cracking the code [01:52:15.000 --> 01:52:17.000] I'm still trying to sort my way through it [01:52:17.000 --> 01:52:23.000] But it's a tremendous task you know to read and understand everything in that book [01:52:23.000 --> 01:52:25.000] And I probably need to go beyond that [01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:30.000] Anyways, anyways [01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:39.000] Since I filed under the rest the 07 acquiescence form [01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:48.000] Basically I've received sign on delivery mail from the IRS which you know [01:52:48.000 --> 01:52:55.000] I kind of have a principle that I'd like to uphold for myself which is I don't communicate with criminals [01:52:55.000 --> 01:53:00.000] Like Randy says and I don't do business with thugs and criminals either [01:53:00.000 --> 01:53:06.000] And so that's been why I haven't responded to the IRS in the past [01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:10.000] This is the first time that they've sent some sign on delivery signal [01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:18.000] And people in you know positions where I think they have good advice [01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:24.000] They seem to say you don't want to ignore that stuff, you want to sign for it [01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:33.000] And so basically the last possible day before I was going to go back to the sender I did sign for it [01:53:33.000 --> 01:53:38.000] On my birthday the same day I also got locked up [01:53:38.000 --> 01:53:47.000] And so I signed for it and it says I have 90 days to respond with a protest [01:53:47.000 --> 01:53:54.000] Well on the IRS's website they say protesters are subject to penalty [01:53:54.000 --> 01:53:57.000] So basically they're trying to get me to step myself up right there [01:53:57.000 --> 01:53:58.000] I don't really understand [01:53:58.000 --> 01:54:01.000] No, no, no, no, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on [01:54:01.000 --> 01:54:08.000] There's a difference between you initiating a quote unquote protest [01:54:08.000 --> 01:54:14.000] Which would be some kind of legal proceeding or a rebuttal to what they're telling you [01:54:14.000 --> 01:54:22.000] And a protestor who that means a tax protester who is not wanting to pay [01:54:22.000 --> 01:54:26.000] Because they don't think it's legal or they don't believe they should, okay [01:54:26.000 --> 01:54:30.000] So I don't think they're trying to trip you up there [01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:34.000] Well the IRS of course is the biggest fraud you know around [01:54:34.000 --> 01:54:39.000] And on their website they have a long list every single possibility of refutations [01:54:39.000 --> 01:54:43.000] Of obligation to pay some kind of tax that they can think of [01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:47.000] And they call it all protests and they call it all crime [01:54:47.000 --> 01:54:51.000] Well first off let me ask you Freeman [01:54:51.000 --> 01:54:58.000] What are they saying to you in these documents that they are [01:54:58.000 --> 01:55:01.000] For which they're offering you an opportunity to protest against [01:55:01.000 --> 01:55:04.000] What do they want? What are they telling you you have to do? [01:55:04.000 --> 01:55:09.000] They made these dummy income tax assessments [01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:13.000] Called proposed individual income tax assessments [01:55:13.000 --> 01:55:22.000] They're using the 1099 report because the companies who subcontracted me work [01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:28.000] And sent that information in because they actually believe that they're required to be withholding agents [01:55:28.000 --> 01:55:33.000] When they're actually committing a crime by impersonating a withholding agent [01:55:33.000 --> 01:55:36.000] When they don't meet the criteria [01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:40.000] Is the document that you received signed by anybody? [01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:44.000] Yes, signed by us, yes it is signed [01:55:44.000 --> 01:55:49.000] And as far as there's a tax calculation summary and a proposed income tax assessment [01:55:49.000 --> 01:55:53.000] And a taxpayer consent form that they are trying to have me sign [01:55:53.000 --> 01:56:02.000] And there is a, let's see here, a waiver, where is it? [01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.000] Well mainly what are they after? [01:56:04.000 --> 01:56:08.000] They just want you to pay what they believe are the back taxes, is that right? [01:56:08.000 --> 01:56:11.000] Well and some fines for not filing this stuff [01:56:11.000 --> 01:56:18.000] And a notice of deficiency waiver which if I don't respond in 90 days [01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:22.000] From the date which I believe it's up now [01:56:22.000 --> 01:56:27.000] See my problem was I was thinking 90 days was three months [01:56:27.000 --> 01:56:34.000] Well 90 days isn't three months and I think that three months ago [01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:42.000] Tomorrow or the 17th of February would be three months in two days [01:56:42.000 --> 01:56:45.000] How much are they saying that you owe? [01:56:45.000 --> 01:56:50.000] They're trying to say I owe them like 15 grand or something [01:56:50.000 --> 01:56:55.000] Okay Freeman first off what is the name that signed it? [01:56:55.000 --> 01:56:58.000] What is the name? [01:56:58.000 --> 01:57:02.000] Jan Sinclair, ASFR operation manager [01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:06.000] I was thinking of sending her the public service questionnaire [01:57:06.000 --> 01:57:09.000] Isn't that one of those fake names they like to sign on these documents? [01:57:09.000 --> 01:57:16.000] I was going to say number one any communication that you receive from the IRS [01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:24.000] If it even has a name on it probably 90% chance it's a fake name for one thing [01:57:24.000 --> 01:57:28.000] Yeah, go ahead Deborah [01:57:28.000 --> 01:57:36.000] I don't know if the public service questionnaire may necessarily be the right move at this point [01:57:36.000 --> 01:57:39.000] I think my 90 days is up too [01:57:39.000 --> 01:57:42.000] I think it expired like two days ago [01:57:42.000 --> 01:57:48.000] Well Freeman on the other it says proposed assessment [01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:56.000] Yeah I was going to go to that as well [01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:57.000] Well [01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:00.000] I'm sure it did because he said it like three, four times [01:58:00.000 --> 01:58:02.000] See they never do an assessment [01:58:02.000 --> 01:58:06.000] Yeah see a proposed assessment and an assessment are not the same thing [01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:08.000] Absolutely not [01:58:08.000 --> 01:58:12.000] That's like a notice of lien versus an actual lien [01:58:12.000 --> 01:58:20.000] Well that's why they're sending me also taxpayer consent forms and waivers to consent and you know sign [01:58:20.000 --> 01:58:26.000] Yes, yes because Freeman they never do an assessment [01:58:26.000 --> 01:58:33.000] They never do because then they have to take all kinds of legal risks and responsibilities and liabilities [01:58:33.000 --> 01:58:41.000] They will push you to the limit to force you into consenting to their proposed assessment [01:58:41.000 --> 01:58:45.000] And I'm not exactly sure how to fight this [01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:47.000] Yeah Tony Davis could probably [01:58:47.000 --> 01:58:49.000] That's what I was going to say yeah [01:58:49.000 --> 01:58:58.000] But now the thing that I've done when I've got that Freeman what I've done is I have stated I sent back a notarized letter [01:58:58.000 --> 01:59:07.000] And an affidavit that one I am a non-tax payer not a taxpayer and that actual statement can be found [01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:10.000] There's a court case to that resort from 1972 [01:59:10.000 --> 01:59:17.000] It's economy plumbing and heating company versus United States 470 federal second 585 [01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:20.000] Can you say that one more time [01:59:20.000 --> 01:59:30.000] Yeah economy plumbing and heating company versus United States 470 federal second 585 from 1972 [01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:36.000] The revenue laws are a code or system and regulation of tax assessment and collection [01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:40.000] They relate to taxpayers and not to non-tax payers [01:59:40.000 --> 01:59:43.000] That's just one thing [01:59:43.000 --> 01:59:49.000] But the simple fact of the matter is you refer to yourself as a non-tax payer [01:59:49.000 --> 01:59:55.000] And that you demand a copy of the original certified signed assessment [01:59:55.000 --> 02:00:00.000] And there's not going to be one I promise you [02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:02.000] They won't do it [02:00:02.000 --> 02:00:07.000] That's your protest don't say you're protesting don't sign any of their forms [02:00:07.000 --> 02:00:14.000] You send them back a certified statement or letter demanding a copy of the assessment [02:00:14.000 --> 02:00:21.000] And they won't give it and see here's what a friend of mine has done with the IRS [02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:32.000] He tells them and going through situations like this a couple times he said look if you guys will sign under penalty of perjury [02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:38.000] That this is the actual assessment and that you claim that this is what I owe [02:00:38.000 --> 02:00:42.000] He says I don't care if they tell me I owe a billion dollars I'll pay it [02:00:42.000 --> 02:00:49.000] If they sign on the dotted line under penalty of perjury that they are declaring that this is the tax assessment [02:00:49.000 --> 02:00:52.000] And they won't do it they never will [02:00:52.000 --> 02:00:58.000] And what's happened with oh gosh I'm trying to remember the gentleman's name [02:00:58.000 --> 02:01:05.000] We had him on our show a few times he's an elderly gentleman he's written oh the IRS Humbug that's his book [02:01:05.000 --> 02:01:08.000] He doesn't have a website I was supposed to build him a website [02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:12.000] I forgot the man's name but you just look it up on the internet the IRS Humbug [02:01:12.000 --> 02:01:22.000] This guy has been fighting the IRS for a long time and it's all over this consent and the issue of the assessment [02:01:22.000 --> 02:01:30.000] Okay and so what happened is it finally got to court and the judge ordered him to consent [02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:39.000] And he said basically no and she's like well if you don't consent then I'm going to throw you in jail for three years [02:01:39.000 --> 02:01:47.000] And so they put him away it's really hard to fight these issues going to the details of the code and stuff like that [02:01:47.000 --> 02:01:55.000] Even if you really know what you're doing look what happened with Becraft now I don't is that who wrote the cracking the code [02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.000] No that's Henderson [02:01:57.000 --> 02:01:59.000] Henderson okay well [02:01:59.000 --> 02:02:01.000] Yeah Becraft the attorney [02:02:01.000 --> 02:02:03.000] Yeah okay I can say this [02:02:03.000 --> 02:02:05.000] What happened to Henderson [02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:19.000] This book cracking the code it's not very reputable in high circles concerning people who really understand about IRS code and stuff like that [02:02:19.000 --> 02:02:27.000] Alright you may want to look more at Tom Cryer's material because he's the only one who's actually successfully beaten the IRS in court [02:02:27.000 --> 02:02:31.000] Well no Becraft is the only one that actually beat him [02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:32.000] Oh that's right [02:02:32.000 --> 02:02:33.000] Becraft was actually his lawyer [02:02:33.000 --> 02:02:35.000] That's right Becraft is [02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:36.000] Yes [02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:37.000] How do you spell Becraft [02:02:37.000 --> 02:02:41.000] B-E-E-C-R-A-F-T [02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:42.000] Oh B-E [02:02:42.000 --> 02:02:44.000] I'm sorry B-E right just one E [02:02:44.000 --> 02:02:50.000] Okay but the thing is alright but Tom Cryer really was the one who developed the case [02:02:50.000 --> 02:02:58.000] Becraft has been slapped down in court many many times he's been sanctioned he's been fined and he comes with arguments that are legitimate [02:02:58.000 --> 02:03:08.000] But what happens is that the judges keep telling him look we don't care what the law says or what the code really says we don't care if you're right [02:03:08.000 --> 02:03:16.000] This is the way we've been ruling for 70 years and you keep coming to us with the same argument and we're going to keep ruling the same way [02:03:16.000 --> 02:03:21.000] And now we're going to sanction you and your client and fine you and your client and that happened several times [02:03:21.000 --> 02:03:31.000] And then Tom Cryer ended up winning his case but I know that Tom Cryer had you know a whole lot to do with the strategy there [02:03:31.000 --> 02:03:35.000] But Tom Cryer only won on his like 20th appeal or something [02:03:35.000 --> 02:03:46.000] Yeah that's what I'm trying to tell you it's like it's really really really hard and expensive and time consuming to research to try to fight the IRS like this [02:03:46.000 --> 02:03:58.000] I certainly would never try to do something like that pro se or to take on the monumental task of all the study I would have to do to try to figure this stuff out [02:03:58.000 --> 02:04:09.000] Well there's another guy you can actually talk to as well his name is Dave Champion and you can find him on his website at nontaxpayer.org [02:04:09.000 --> 02:04:17.000] I've talked to him he's got good legitimate information most of the time from what I've seen [02:04:17.000 --> 02:04:28.000] And he's been successful so far at getting it kicked around and thrown away without really even having to bother to go into court [02:04:28.000 --> 02:04:30.000] How about Dan Pilla? [02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:32.000] Say again? [02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:34.000] How about this guy Dan Pilla? [02:04:34.000 --> 02:04:36.000] I don't know who that is [02:04:36.000 --> 02:04:37.000] I don't know him [02:04:37.000 --> 02:04:41.000] I think also Tony Davis would be a really good bet here [02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:44.000] Yeah I would talk to Tony first [02:04:44.000 --> 02:04:45.000] Yeah I would too [02:04:45.000 --> 02:04:52.000] Yeah I'll try that you know I might need some money though and I am kind of short on 2500 bucks right now [02:04:52.000 --> 02:04:55.000] What about the 2500? [02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:59.000] You had to give the IRS 2500 out of the way or something? [02:04:59.000 --> 02:05:01.000] Oh your other case? [02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:09.000] No no no maybe I can talk to you out there and just tell you out there out of respect for everybody [02:05:09.000 --> 02:05:12.000] Sure sure that's fine [02:05:12.000 --> 02:05:17.000] Yeah this is a rough one man this is a rough one [02:05:17.000 --> 02:05:21.000] It's very complicated to try to deal with these guys the IRS [02:05:21.000 --> 02:05:33.000] Well you know as far as sending them something that says I'm a non-tax payer I mean I just sent them an 07 return under duress [02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:41.000] So that my wife could stay in the country so I mean for me to do that and then send them something notarized saying I'm a non-tax payer [02:05:41.000 --> 02:05:44.000] That's kind of backwards you know I can't really do that [02:05:44.000 --> 02:05:52.000] No not if you actually signed under threat of duress on that tax form you filed this time [02:05:52.000 --> 02:05:56.000] Now how do I establish that I signed under duress on the form? [02:05:56.000 --> 02:05:57.000] Right below your signature [02:05:57.000 --> 02:05:59.000] It's too late he already signed it [02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:00.000] Under threat of duress [02:06:00.000 --> 02:06:02.000] But he already sent it in [02:06:02.000 --> 02:06:03.000] Yeah [02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:11.000] Yeah I'm just saying I mean when you're signing something under threat of duress make it known you're signing it under threat of duress [02:06:11.000 --> 02:06:16.000] Write that below your name write that before you sign your name if they're actually standing there [02:06:16.000 --> 02:06:19.000] Well what should he do now that he's already filed his tax return? [02:06:19.000 --> 02:06:29.000] He can file an amended tax return and it doesn't have to change anything just resubmit the signature with this under threat of duress under the signature [02:06:29.000 --> 02:06:30.000] There you go [02:06:30.000 --> 02:06:42.000] Okay and I demand the original signed assessment form under [02:06:42.000 --> 02:06:49.000] No you're signing an amended return for the same time the amended return will take precedence [02:06:49.000 --> 02:06:52.000] He was asking if he should demand the assessment [02:06:52.000 --> 02:07:03.000] He was backing up a little bit the way he said before about sending a notarized statement that I'm a non-tax payer and demanding an original assessment form [02:07:03.000 --> 02:07:06.000] Is that the language that he had mentioned? [02:07:06.000 --> 02:07:15.000] Well no what you want to do is you want an original certified signed under penalty of perjury assessment [02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:20.000] Because an assessment must be signed under penalty of perjury [02:07:20.000 --> 02:07:23.000] If you get an assessment with no signature it's not valid [02:07:23.000 --> 02:07:35.000] Now Eddie do you know if there's what the case law or statute is that would give someone the right to demand that and not proceed any further until they give that? [02:07:35.000 --> 02:07:38.000] I mean how do we have the right to demand that? [02:07:38.000 --> 02:07:44.000] I don't know what the case law is at the top of my head Debra but I do know it exists and it's not hard to find [02:07:44.000 --> 02:07:50.000] But the simple fact of the matter is in any case of taxation you have the right to demand the assessment [02:07:50.000 --> 02:07:51.000] Okay [02:07:51.000 --> 02:07:59.000] It doesn't matter whether state level or federal level you have the right to demand where they are getting the information from they are using to make the monetary assessment [02:07:59.000 --> 02:08:04.000] What about the 90 days having expired within the last few days? [02:08:04.000 --> 02:08:09.000] Well I mean what about it? [02:08:09.000 --> 02:08:12.000] You respond to it just do what you can [02:08:12.000 --> 02:08:21.000] So what do you think of that definitive and that finite that they can tell me I have 90 days otherwise I'm acquiescing? [02:08:21.000 --> 02:08:29.000] You can always stipulate that you know you're not acquiescing just put that in your documentation when you do your affidavit [02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:31.000] Yeah [02:08:31.000 --> 02:08:40.000] And you can honestly say in your affidavit since the information you receive contain no valid assessment the timeline is irrelevant [02:08:40.000 --> 02:08:48.000] Because there was no valid assessment signed under penalty of perjury accompanying the information I received [02:08:48.000 --> 02:08:50.000] I like that [02:08:50.000 --> 02:08:58.000] So any timeline in agreement to an assessment that I did not receive is null and void [02:08:58.000 --> 02:09:10.000] Uh huh what if the timeline was pertaining to failure to file penalties and an estimated tax penalty [02:09:10.000 --> 02:09:14.000] But you said you've already filed right? [02:09:14.000 --> 02:09:16.000] Well they're talking about [02:09:16.000 --> 02:09:18.000] You filed a return you just didn't give them any money [02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:23.000] No they're talking about other years I mean like I was saying I haven't filed anything in a long time [02:09:23.000 --> 02:09:31.000] But I filed under duress for one single year which was the requirement to get the you know my wife's status [02:09:31.000 --> 02:09:39.000] But again on what valid assessment are they giving you this accrued amount of money to penalize you on? [02:09:39.000 --> 02:09:40.000] Well they're saying it's a [02:09:40.000 --> 02:09:44.000] There has to be an assessment that the taxes are based on [02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:53.000] So for a failure to file penalty I mean because supposedly according to Hendrickson everyone is required to file [02:09:53.000 --> 02:09:57.000] And you should just file and say zero if you're not a government agent or employee [02:09:57.000 --> 02:10:06.000] No no no no no don't do that don't ever file a zero return that's where Irwin Schiff keeps getting in trouble [02:10:06.000 --> 02:10:11.000] Not that I'm saying he's wrong but that's what they go after him for [02:10:11.000 --> 02:10:16.000] The simple fact of the matter is you signed the tax form [02:10:16.000 --> 02:10:24.000] You're admitting to being a tax payer because you signed their form and it's only for tax payers to sign [02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:34.000] I need to send in an amended form as to the one that I filed under duress and stipulate that I am in fact doing it only under duress [02:10:34.000 --> 02:10:41.000] Right underneath your signature you can also do it with an attached affidavit but I would still write it beneath my signature [02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:46.000] I would write under threat of duress beneath my signature [02:10:46.000 --> 02:10:51.000] So someone mentioned something having happened something unfortunate having happened to Hendrickson [02:10:51.000 --> 02:10:56.000] I was unaware that the author cracking the code did something happen to him [02:10:56.000 --> 02:11:04.000] I know that the feds are in the process of for the fourth time in five years trying to shut them down but to my understanding [02:11:04.000 --> 02:11:13.000] They have been likely would be continue to be completely unsuccessful [02:11:13.000 --> 02:11:17.000] Well the reason how they're trying to do it is the same way they always try to do it [02:11:17.000 --> 02:11:22.000] They always try to hit somebody that was selling an illegal tax shelter [02:11:22.000 --> 02:11:26.000] Any type of documentation you put out [02:11:26.000 --> 02:11:32.000] Did something bad happen to him though because he's got you know I mean he's got endless stuff [02:11:32.000 --> 02:11:44.000] Representations photocopies or pictures presentations of refund checks from people getting refunds from I guess you can only get a refund for three years back [02:11:44.000 --> 02:11:54.000] But SS and IRS treasury checks and otherwise so I mean did something happen to him I mean how do I [02:11:54.000 --> 02:12:00.000] I don't know I have not read the book nor looked up any of the information on the gentleman that wrote it [02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:04.000] Him I'm not familiar with at all [02:12:04.000 --> 02:12:14.000] Well when you do it at the time of inclination if you check it out I'd love to hear your take and I think a lot of us would [02:12:14.000 --> 02:12:22.000] I appreciate the information guys and I mean since the 90 days seems like it expired within the last couple days [02:12:22.000 --> 02:12:28.000] Is this something that I should I don't even know what I'm supposed to be sending out [02:12:28.000 --> 02:12:37.000] Well again the paperwork they sent you did not contain a signed under penalty of perjury assessment [02:12:37.000 --> 02:12:42.000] For past taxes or current taxes is that correct [02:12:42.000 --> 02:12:44.000] Correct [02:12:44.000 --> 02:12:51.000] Okay if there's no signed under penalty of perjury assessment for taxes owed or taxes owing [02:12:51.000 --> 02:12:54.000] Then your argument still holds true [02:12:54.000 --> 02:13:01.000] Without a signed under penalty of perjury assessment for all these taxes [02:13:01.000 --> 02:13:09.000] What do you expect me to do here I'm not going to just give you money on your say so [02:13:09.000 --> 02:13:19.000] I'd like to listen back to the archive of this show so I can make sure I'm not doing a floppy job when I do send this in [02:13:19.000 --> 02:13:21.000] So I'm not sure if it'll be up by tomorrow [02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:25.000] Yeah I'm going to post the archives after we're done [02:13:25.000 --> 02:13:26.000] Okay [02:13:26.000 --> 02:13:29.000] And let me give you Tony Davis' email address too [02:13:29.000 --> 02:13:33.000] He mentions it on the air quite frequently so I'm not [02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:34.000] Okay [02:13:34.000 --> 02:13:51.000] ILSservicesinc so that would be I-L-S-S-E-R-V-I-C-E-S-I-N-C at yahoo.com [02:13:51.000 --> 02:14:01.000] And Debbie if I could tell you something off the air or ask you something [02:14:01.000 --> 02:14:06.000] I think you know it would probably be appreciated [02:14:06.000 --> 02:14:11.000] Okay all right all right just sit tight and I'll talk with you a little bit after the show [02:14:11.000 --> 02:14:12.000] Okay [02:14:12.000 --> 02:14:14.000] I can't talk a long time though because I [02:14:14.000 --> 02:14:15.000] It'll be like two seconds [02:14:15.000 --> 02:14:17.000] Okay sure sure no problem [02:14:17.000 --> 02:14:18.000] Okay [02:14:18.000 --> 02:14:19.000] Okay so just hold [02:14:19.000 --> 02:14:21.000] All right [02:14:21.000 --> 02:14:26.000] Oh come on web page [02:14:26.000 --> 02:14:27.000] Okay there it is [02:14:27.000 --> 02:14:34.000] All right we're going to go now to David in Texas [02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:39.000] He called in to listen and he's been taking notes all night and I tell him I'd bring him up at the end [02:14:39.000 --> 02:14:44.000] Hey David how have you been enjoying the show tonight [02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:48.000] David [02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:52.000] Okay I guess David's not there [02:14:52.000 --> 02:14:53.000] I think he fell asleep [02:14:53.000 --> 02:14:56.000] I saw him snoring [02:14:56.000 --> 02:14:58.000] It sounded like that he was waking up [02:14:58.000 --> 02:14:59.000] I know [02:14:59.000 --> 02:15:05.000] Okay all right all right well we still got a whole lot of listeners on the internet stream [02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:07.000] We appreciate everybody hanging in there [02:15:07.000 --> 02:15:13.000] And I guess Randy must have passed out when he went to get a drink or whatever on the last break [02:15:13.000 --> 02:15:15.000] Because he never came back [02:15:15.000 --> 02:15:19.000] And Eddie thank you for continuing the show with me [02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:20.000] Yes ma'am [02:15:20.000 --> 02:15:22.000] Very much fun [02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:28.000] All right I will have the archives posted in about a half an hour from tonight's show [02:15:28.000 --> 02:15:34.000] And thank you all for listening and joining in and hanging with us so long [02:15:34.000 --> 02:15:39.000] And we will be back on Monday night [02:15:39.000 --> 02:15:47.000] Here's some more Route 1 music for you a cover of Birmingham Sunday that my husband did a few years back [02:15:47.000 --> 02:15:49.000] We'll see y'all on Monday [02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:54.000] I'll be by my side and I'll sing you a song [02:15:54.000 --> 02:16:00.000] I'll sing it so sweetly it'll do no one wrong [02:16:00.000 --> 02:16:06.000] On Birmingham Sunday the blood flowed like wine [02:16:06.000 --> 02:16:14.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:16:14.000 --> 02:16:19.000] That girl on the morn who eyes of the sun [02:16:19.000 --> 02:16:26.000] And mighty may come dog number one [02:16:26.000 --> 02:16:32.000] In an old Baptist church there was nowhere to run [02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:40.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:16:40.000 --> 02:16:45.000] The clouds they were dark and the autumn wind blew [02:16:45.000 --> 02:16:52.000] And Gladys McNair brought the number two [02:16:52.000 --> 02:16:58.000] The fountain of death was a creature they knew [02:16:58.000 --> 02:17:06.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:17:06.000 --> 02:17:11.000] The church it was crowded and no one could see [02:17:11.000 --> 02:17:18.000] But simply a well in dark number was three [02:17:18.000 --> 02:17:24.000] Her prayers and her feelings would shame you and me [02:17:24.000 --> 02:17:32.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:17:32.000 --> 02:17:38.000] The young Carol Robbins answered the Lord [02:17:38.000 --> 02:17:44.000] And the number of her killers the gibbons four [02:17:44.000 --> 02:17:50.000] She asked for a blessing but asked for no more [02:17:50.000 --> 02:17:59.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:17:59.000 --> 02:18:04.000] And then in the forest they all asked of me [02:18:04.000 --> 02:18:11.000] How many blackberries grow in the blue sea [02:18:11.000 --> 02:18:17.000] I answered right back with a tear in my eye [02:18:17.000 --> 02:18:25.000] How many dark ships in the forest [02:18:25.000 --> 02:18:31.000] The sun has gone, the sun has gone [02:18:31.000 --> 02:18:37.000] All I can do is to sing this last song [02:18:37.000 --> 02:18:43.000] I'll sing it so sweetly that you know it wrong [02:18:43.000 --> 02:18:54.000] And the choir keeps singing of freedom [02:18:54.000 --> 02:18:59.000] The sun has gone, the sun has gone [02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:05.000] All I can do is to sing this last song [02:19:05.000 --> 02:19:12.000] I'll sing it so sweetly that you know it wrong [02:19:12.000 --> 02:19:20.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:19:20.000 --> 02:19:25.000] The sun has gone, the sun has gone [02:19:25.000 --> 02:19:32.000] All I can do is to sing this last song [02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:39.000] I'll sing it so sweetly that you know it wrong [02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:47.000] And the choir kept singing of freedom [02:19:47.000 --> 02:19:54.000] I'll sing it so sweetly that you know it wrong [02:20:17.000 --> 02:20:22.000] Thank you for watching!