[00:00.000 --> 00:06.760]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:06.760 --> 00:13.120]  Pope Benedict has called on Israeli leaders to recognize a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian
[00:13.120 --> 00:14.120]  conflict.
[00:14.120 --> 00:21.840]  But Israel's far-right Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has refused to recognize the Palestinians.
[00:21.840 --> 00:27.400]  In Britain, an MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call
[00:27.400 --> 00:34.000]  for an investigation into whether the police used agent provocateur to incite the crowds.
[00:34.000 --> 00:38.560]  The World Health Organization said in its latest report, 29 countries have officially
[00:38.560 --> 00:42.640]  reported 4,300 confirmed cases of swine flu.
[00:42.640 --> 00:47.240]  Mexico reported 1,600 cases, including 45 deaths.
[00:47.240 --> 00:51.160]  The U.S. reported 2,200 cases, including two deaths.
[00:51.160 --> 00:57.880]  Canada and Costa Rica each reported one death.
[00:57.880 --> 01:04.080]  Iran says Israel's undeclared arsenal of 200 atomic warheads is the only obstacle in the
[01:04.080 --> 01:07.680]  way of a nuclear-free zone in the Middle East.
[01:07.680 --> 01:13.400]  In an address Monday at the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference in New York, Iranian
[01:13.400 --> 01:19.760]  delegates hit out at the lack of world action on Israel's possession of nuclear weapons.
[01:19.760 --> 01:25.560]  Iranian delegates criticized the West's hands-off approach to Tel Aviv's development of nuclear
[01:25.560 --> 01:26.760]  weaponry.
[01:26.760 --> 01:31.880]  The Iranian delegation asserted Washington and their European counterparts helped equip
[01:31.880 --> 01:38.640]  Israel with nuclear weaponry in complete violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
[01:38.640 --> 01:43.400]  Israel is widely regarded as the sixth-largest nuclear power in the world and the sole possessor
[01:43.400 --> 01:46.440]  of an atomic arsenal in the Middle East.
[01:46.440 --> 01:52.560]  It reportedly houses 100 bunker-busting bombs, laser-guided mini-nukes with the ability to
[01:52.560 --> 01:55.240]  hit underground targets.
[01:55.240 --> 02:00.040]  Investigative journalist Seymour Hersh revealed that former President Richard Nixon and his
[02:00.040 --> 02:14.240]  foreign policy adviser Henry Kissinger privately endorsed Israel's atomic arsenal in 1969.
[02:14.240 --> 02:20.160]  Citigroup, the recipient of $45 billion in taxpayer bailout funds, has emailed borrowers
[02:20.160 --> 02:25.440]  who took out student loans encouraging them to write to Congress opposing the administration's
[02:25.440 --> 02:30.480]  student loan proposal.
[02:30.480 --> 02:36.100]  Barack Obama estimates that banks have been making $15 million a day selling and securitizing
[02:36.100 --> 02:41.560]  student loans without taking on any risk since student loans are guaranteed by the government
[02:41.560 --> 02:44.600]  and cannot be discharged by inner bankruptcy.
[02:44.600 --> 02:49.240]  The New York Times says the most controversial aspect of Obama's proposed legislation would
[02:49.240 --> 03:11.880]  allow students to borrow direct from the government.
[03:19.240 --> 03:46.000]  The New York Times says the most controversial aspect of Obama's proposed legislation would
[03:46.000 --> 04:05.960]  allow students to borrow direct from the government and cannot be discharged by inner bankruptcy.
[04:05.960 --> 04:29.960]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens.
[04:29.960 --> 04:34.080]  Bad boys, what are you going to do when we come for you?
[04:34.080 --> 04:45.840]  It's Monday, May 11, 2009 and tonight we're going to start off the show talking about
[04:45.840 --> 04:51.680]  some very drastic action that a lot of states or at least one state and it looks like more
[04:51.680 --> 05:01.200]  to follow suit are taking in regards to extreme gun laws that Obama's trying to push through
[05:01.200 --> 05:05.280]  and the entire federal government situation.
[05:05.280 --> 05:09.240]  This actually happened last month in April.
[05:09.240 --> 05:16.760]  The state of Montana passed a law basically saying that all federal firearms regulations
[05:16.760 --> 05:23.920]  do not apply to them as long as the firearms were manufactured in Montana and they are
[05:23.920 --> 05:28.440]  kept within the state of Montana because they're saying that the federal government can only
[05:28.440 --> 05:35.040]  regulate interstate commerce and if the guns are manufactured with parts made in Montana
[05:35.040 --> 05:40.200]  and assembled in Montana and the guns stay in Montana then the federal government has
[05:40.200 --> 05:47.600]  no authority to regulate those firearms at all or who owns them or who doesn't or anything
[05:47.600 --> 05:50.920]  whatsoever and I'm going to read part of that bill.
[05:50.920 --> 05:56.880]  The governor of Montana signed that into law by the way so they're not messing around and
[05:56.880 --> 06:03.160]  it looks like now that the state of Utah is considering the same thing.
[06:03.160 --> 06:16.320]  I'm reading from KSL.com, KSL TV, 102.7 FM and 1160 AM, this is media in Utah, reading
[06:16.320 --> 06:20.360]  from this article right here where it says several Utah lawmakers want to do the same
[06:20.360 --> 06:21.360]  thing.
[06:21.360 --> 06:23.960]  They summarized what I just said at the beginning of the article.
[06:23.960 --> 06:29.960]  It says they say President Barack Obama and the Congress are anti-gun and will infringe
[06:29.960 --> 06:31.840]  on states' rights.
[06:31.840 --> 06:39.120]  Representative Carl Wimmer, our herriman, Republican herriman says that tells the Salt
[06:39.120 --> 06:46.680]  Lake City Tribune he or another Utah lawmaker will introduce a similar measure next year.
[06:46.680 --> 06:51.680]  Representative Ken Sumison, Representative American Fort told the Tribune he wishes he
[06:51.680 --> 06:55.960]  thought of it and would support such a measure in a heartbeat.
[06:55.960 --> 07:02.840]  However, some legislators like Rebecca Chavez Hook, a Democrat, have reservations.
[07:02.840 --> 07:06.680]  They say Montana's law is expected to face legal challenges and they don't want the same
[07:06.680 --> 07:08.920]  thing to happen in Utah.
[07:08.920 --> 07:09.920]  Oh, wow.
[07:09.920 --> 07:10.920]  Okay.
[07:10.920 --> 07:20.080]  So I'm going to read part of this House Bill 246 which was signed into law by the governor
[07:20.080 --> 07:28.200]  of Montana, House Bill 246, introduced by Jay Bonik, B-O-N-I-E-K, sorry if I'm not
[07:28.200 --> 07:33.960]  pronouncing that correctly, Bennett, Butcher, Curtis, Randall, and Warbutton, an act exempting
[07:33.960 --> 07:38.840]  from federal regulation under the Commerce Clause of the Constitution of the United States
[07:38.840 --> 07:44.720]  a firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition manufactured and retained in Montana and providing
[07:44.720 --> 07:52.280]  an applicability date, being enacted by the legislature of the state of Montana, short
[07:52.280 --> 07:58.760]  title, may be cited as the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, legislative declarations of authority.
[07:58.760 --> 08:03.520]  The legislature declares that the authority for sections one through six is the following.
[08:03.520 --> 08:08.040]  One, the 10th Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees to the states and
[08:08.040 --> 08:12.720]  their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the Constitution
[08:12.720 --> 08:18.720]  and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at
[08:18.720 --> 08:23.520]  the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889.
[08:23.520 --> 08:27.040]  The guarantee of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and the people
[08:27.040 --> 08:32.480]  of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States
[08:32.480 --> 08:36.800]  was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889.
[08:36.800 --> 08:41.860]  The 9th Amendment to the United States Constitution guarantees to the people rights not granted
[08:41.860 --> 08:46.560]  in the Constitution and reserves to the people of Montana certain rights as they were understood
[08:46.560 --> 08:49.960]  at the time Montana was admitted to statehood.
[08:49.960 --> 08:53.960]  The guarantee of those rights is a matter of contract between the state and the people
[08:53.960 --> 08:58.640]  of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States
[08:58.640 --> 09:00.360]  was agreed upon.
[09:00.360 --> 09:07.440]  The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the state, I'm going to pause here, intrastate
[09:07.440 --> 09:13.400]  means commerce that is within the boundaries of a state as opposed to interstate which
[09:13.400 --> 09:14.960]  crosses boundaries of state.
[09:14.960 --> 09:19.800]  The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the United States under the 9th and 10th
[09:19.800 --> 09:24.120]  Amendments to the United States Constitution particularly if not expressly preempted by
[09:24.120 --> 09:26.120]  federal law.
[09:26.120 --> 09:31.840]  Congress has not expressly preempted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining
[09:31.840 --> 09:39.280]  to the manufacturer on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories and ammunition.
[09:39.280 --> 09:43.160]  The 2nd Amendment to the United States Constitution reserves to the people the right to keep and
[09:43.160 --> 09:48.600]  bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood
[09:48.600 --> 09:54.200]  and the guarantee of that right is a matter of contract between the state and the people
[09:54.200 --> 10:00.160]  of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact was agreed upon and
[10:00.160 --> 10:02.960]  adopted by Montana and the United States.
[10:02.960 --> 10:09.120]  Article 2, Section 12 of the Montana Constitution clearly secures to Montana citizens and prohibits
[10:09.120 --> 10:14.560]  government interference with the right of individual Montana citizens to keep and bear
[10:14.560 --> 10:15.560]  arms.
[10:15.560 --> 10:20.960]  This constitutional protection is unchanged from the 1889 Montana Constitution which was
[10:20.960 --> 10:26.160]  approved by Congress and the people of Montana and the right exists as it was understood
[10:26.160 --> 10:31.880]  at the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana
[10:31.880 --> 10:32.880]  and the United States.
[10:32.880 --> 10:40.600]  Okay, so that's the gist of the bill and what they, their reasoning behind why they are
[10:40.600 --> 10:47.320]  doing that and it has even come out in the media that if Obama and the federal government
[10:47.320 --> 10:54.360]  push the envelope on this, Montana has even apparently threatened to initiate secession.
[10:54.360 --> 10:59.680]  So it's coming to a head, people aren't putting up with it anymore.
[10:59.680 --> 11:02.440]  So Randy, what do you have to say about all this?
[11:02.440 --> 11:10.600]  I think it's a bellwether, a sign of the times that the states feel like they have to stand
[11:10.600 --> 11:16.600]  up squarely in the face of the government, the federal government.
[11:16.600 --> 11:19.800]  And it's not just Montana who's doing this.
[11:19.800 --> 11:26.880]  I've been saying for a while that we are at a critical juncture that the stars are aligning
[11:26.880 --> 11:34.760]  themselves and while things have been getting bad for quite a while, they just have a way
[11:34.760 --> 11:40.680]  of adjusting themselves and we are in a period of adjustment.
[11:40.680 --> 11:45.960]  I take it as a call to those arms that we keep in the state and out of the federal hands
[11:45.960 --> 11:55.960]  for us to stand up and push for more expansive legislation that clearly defines the difference
[11:55.960 --> 12:01.240]  between state and federal powers.
[12:01.240 --> 12:06.040]  Well what do you think is going to happen if the feds say, sorry, that's not the way
[12:06.040 --> 12:12.400]  it is and they go in and storm Montana, is this going to set the stage for civil war?
[12:12.400 --> 12:17.120]  I mean are the feds going to go in and start confiscating firearms from people because
[12:17.120 --> 12:19.840]  I don't think the state of Montana is going to put up with it if they do.
[12:19.840 --> 12:21.120]  I don't think so either.
[12:21.120 --> 12:22.320]  This is pretty clear.
[12:22.320 --> 12:26.800]  I can't see the feds attempting something like that, not with all the talk of secession
[12:26.800 --> 12:28.280]  in a number of states.
[12:28.280 --> 12:36.160]  I mean because it's very commonplace and it has been the activity of the feds to go in
[12:36.160 --> 12:42.560]  and inside the states and confiscate people's firearms and such but it's looking to me like
[12:42.560 --> 12:48.640]  the state of Montana in general and the government itself, even the governor, are just not going
[12:48.640 --> 12:55.280]  to put up with it and I'm thinking that if the feds try to go in with their SWAT teams
[12:55.280 --> 13:01.600]  or whatever federal agents to confiscate people's firearms, I'm thinking that their sheriffs,
[13:01.600 --> 13:07.720]  their local police, the state troopers or whatever they call them up there in Montana
[13:07.720 --> 13:12.360]  and the state authorities themselves are just not going to tolerate it.
[13:12.360 --> 13:18.720]  It's going to be a standoff between the state authorities and law enforcement of the state
[13:18.720 --> 13:20.040]  of Montana and the feds.
[13:20.040 --> 13:25.440]  I mean do you see that the federal government would risk such a thing, would risk such a
[13:25.440 --> 13:26.720]  standoff in this way?
[13:26.720 --> 13:28.320]  I can't imagine that they would.
[13:28.320 --> 13:33.160]  For the most part, these jack-booted thugs are cowards and they're not going to walk
[13:33.160 --> 13:38.800]  into people with guns who are authorized to carry guns and willing to use guns.
[13:38.800 --> 13:44.020]  They're saying that they're even going to arrest any federal agents that attempt to
[13:44.020 --> 13:48.600]  confiscate any firearms from the citizens of Montana.
[13:48.600 --> 13:57.360]  It's about most of our police, even the feds, most of them are human beings and they have
[13:57.360 --> 14:01.320]  the same understandings and sensibilities as you and I.
[14:01.320 --> 14:05.680]  Now they're in a position to where they're required to do things that we don't always
[14:05.680 --> 14:11.720]  approve of but they're still Americans, they still know the constitution, they still understand
[14:11.720 --> 14:13.120]  the law.
[14:13.120 --> 14:19.080]  I don't think a corrupt federal government is going to be able to get federal agents
[14:19.080 --> 14:22.600]  to go into Montana with their guns in their hands.
[14:22.600 --> 14:25.600]  Well what are they going to do to save face because you know they're going to feel that
[14:25.600 --> 14:31.160]  they have to do something to save face and to come out on top to at least appear like
[14:31.160 --> 14:32.960]  they still have authority?
[14:32.960 --> 14:37.480]  I think they may do what they have been doing.
[14:37.480 --> 14:41.240]  Have you noticed what they've done and said about this so far?
[14:41.240 --> 14:42.320]  No.
[14:42.320 --> 14:43.320]  What is that?
[14:43.320 --> 14:44.320]  Absolutely nothing.
[14:44.320 --> 14:47.640]  That's what I thought.
[14:47.640 --> 14:55.320]  Keep their mouth shut and not get into something they can't equitably get out of.
[14:55.320 --> 14:59.560]  They'll come at us from another direction.
[14:59.560 --> 15:01.920]  They won't come and fight us directly.
[15:01.920 --> 15:04.880]  That's the nature of a coward.
[15:04.880 --> 15:09.320]  You'll keep trying to sneak behind you but they've done that enough that now everybody's
[15:09.320 --> 15:14.920]  looking at them and I expect the federal power to wane for a while.
[15:14.920 --> 15:21.120]  It's been growing over the past 50 years and look at the mess it's got us in.
[15:21.120 --> 15:26.920]  Now the states are standing up and pushing the feds back out and looking to go back and
[15:26.920 --> 15:34.080]  straighten out the mess the feds have created and I expect that the feds will back out.
[15:34.080 --> 15:35.440]  Well one would hope.
[15:35.440 --> 15:39.720]  The alternative is just to destabilize it.
[15:39.720 --> 15:44.840]  The feds can only hold on to their power as long as no one is objecting to their power.
[15:44.840 --> 15:51.520]  If California had done this over the medical marijuana all of that would have stopped a
[15:51.520 --> 15:55.200]  long time ago.
[15:55.200 --> 16:01.680]  Yeah I know that that Rach versus Ashcroft case was pretty devastating to the president
[16:01.680 --> 16:08.200]  for states rights but it looks to me like Montana's just not going to put up with it
[16:08.200 --> 16:13.400]  and Utah they're about to follow suit so it's a good thing.
[16:13.400 --> 16:15.840]  I think it's a good thing.
[16:15.840 --> 16:21.640]  I just hope that it's not going to come to some kind of violence really.
[16:21.640 --> 16:25.520]  I'm hoping that the federal government is just going to back down and keep their place
[16:25.520 --> 16:29.640]  because they don't have authority to do these things at all and that's why the states are
[16:29.640 --> 16:31.600]  not putting up with it anymore.
[16:31.600 --> 16:35.760]  All right listen we're going to break we've got a couple of callers on the line.
[16:35.760 --> 16:41.280]  Callers if you'd like to call in and discuss this issue or any others this is the rule
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[18:29.320 --> 18:30.800]  Let's check.
[18:30.800 --> 18:32.760]  Look what we got.
[18:32.760 --> 18:35.000]  And they don't ever answer us.
[18:35.000 --> 18:37.040]  Also, they sleep inside.
[18:37.040 --> 18:38.440]  They're not talking no issues.
[18:38.440 --> 18:41.800]  You can see Lord how they want to we don't take it easy.
[18:41.800 --> 18:47.040]  They're not talking we do politically and them getting mad and angry.
[18:47.040 --> 18:52.040]  But them that standing up and fighting for the freedom and the freedom.
[18:52.040 --> 18:55.960]  When they write them love slavery and get hanged out from the government.
[18:55.960 --> 18:57.960]  Look what we get
[18:57.960 --> 18:59.960]  We ask the Christians
[18:59.960 --> 19:01.960]  To what they're hiding
[19:01.960 --> 19:03.960]  They don't have the answers
[19:03.960 --> 19:05.960]  They don't say no goodbyes
[19:05.960 --> 19:07.960]  But we ask the Christians
[19:07.960 --> 19:09.960]  Look what we get
[19:09.960 --> 19:11.960]  And they don't have the answers
[19:11.960 --> 19:13.960]  And they don't have the answers
[19:13.960 --> 19:15.960]  And they don't have the answers
[19:15.960 --> 19:17.960]  And they don't have the answers
[19:17.960 --> 19:19.960]  Here I need them to tell you
[19:19.960 --> 19:21.960]  Them to tell me Lord
[19:21.960 --> 19:23.960]  Them to tell the country
[19:23.960 --> 19:25.960]  Them to tell you and them to tell the country
[19:25.960 --> 19:27.960]  Them to tear up the constitution
[19:27.960 --> 19:29.960]  Them to rip it in three
[19:29.960 --> 19:31.960]  Them to give a damn about me
[19:31.960 --> 19:33.960]  You know see how this country
[19:33.960 --> 19:35.960]  How them lead we, them lead me
[19:35.960 --> 19:37.960]  You see, like we blind
[19:37.960 --> 19:39.960]  And we crazy, them leading
[19:39.960 --> 19:41.960]  With the destruction, you see
[19:41.960 --> 19:43.960]  You play weapon and big gun
[19:43.960 --> 19:45.960]  Them to point on the country
[19:45.960 --> 19:47.960]  Here I need them to tell you
[19:47.960 --> 19:49.960]  Them to tell me Lord
[19:49.960 --> 19:51.960]  Alright, them to tear you, them to tear me
[19:51.960 --> 19:53.960]  Them to tear up the whole country
[19:53.960 --> 19:55.960]  They're trying, but it looks like
[19:55.960 --> 19:57.960]  We're going to be able to stop them
[19:57.960 --> 19:59.960]  People are stopping them
[19:59.960 --> 20:01.960]  Even states are standing up
[20:01.960 --> 20:03.960]  Governors, okay
[20:03.960 --> 20:05.960]  Callers, we'd like to call in 512-646-1984
[20:05.960 --> 20:07.960]  To discuss this issue
[20:07.960 --> 20:09.960]  Or any others
[20:09.960 --> 20:11.960]  We've got Dominic from Texas
[20:11.960 --> 20:13.960]  Dominic, thanks for calling in
[20:13.960 --> 20:15.960]  Do you have any comments on this issue or any others?
[20:15.960 --> 20:17.960]  Yes, how you all doing today?
[20:17.960 --> 20:19.960]  Good, how are you?
[20:19.960 --> 20:21.960]  I need to call in and disagree with Randy
[20:21.960 --> 20:23.960]  But I need to call in
[20:23.960 --> 20:25.960]  And disagree
[20:25.960 --> 20:27.960]  Because he said that the Fed isn't
[20:27.960 --> 20:29.960]  That they're really not doing anything about
[20:29.960 --> 20:31.960]  Like the guns
[20:31.960 --> 20:33.960]  But they are as
[20:33.960 --> 20:35.960]  Like tonight on
[20:35.960 --> 20:37.960]  Fox News there should be some special
[20:37.960 --> 20:39.960]  I saw half of the blurb
[20:39.960 --> 20:41.960]  That they talk about
[20:41.960 --> 20:43.960]  But it's going to probably be about
[20:43.960 --> 20:45.960]  How easy it is to
[20:45.960 --> 20:47.960]  To get guns
[20:47.960 --> 20:49.960]  On TV shows
[20:49.960 --> 20:51.960]  They are going
[20:51.960 --> 20:53.960]  Since they can't go directly after the guns
[20:53.960 --> 20:55.960]  What I see that they're doing is
[20:55.960 --> 20:57.960]  They're going, you can say through the back door
[20:57.960 --> 20:59.960]  And just making it look like
[20:59.960 --> 21:01.960]  Oh, everybody is getting guns
[21:01.960 --> 21:03.960]  And the terrorists are going to get us
[21:03.960 --> 21:05.960]  So they're going to get
[21:05.960 --> 21:07.960]  A lot of these people that are
[21:07.960 --> 21:09.960]  Squeamish about guns anyway
[21:09.960 --> 21:11.960]  To start turning on
[21:11.960 --> 21:13.960]  You know, average Americans
[21:13.960 --> 21:15.960]  And have us fight
[21:15.960 --> 21:17.960]  You know, fight each other
[21:17.960 --> 21:19.960]  And they just stand back
[21:19.960 --> 21:21.960]  That's the way they've always done it
[21:21.960 --> 21:23.960]  The thing I was referring to
[21:23.960 --> 21:25.960]  Is this gun law
[21:25.960 --> 21:27.960]  I haven't heard
[21:27.960 --> 21:29.960]  The federal government address it
[21:29.960 --> 21:31.960]  They just kept
[21:31.960 --> 21:33.960]  Quiet about it
[21:33.960 --> 21:35.960]  And yeah, they will try to find ways to sneak around
[21:35.960 --> 21:37.960]  Behind
[21:37.960 --> 21:39.960]  And maneuver around us
[21:39.960 --> 21:41.960]  But they won't take it on directly
[21:41.960 --> 21:43.960]  Because the last
[21:43.960 --> 21:45.960]  Thing they're going to want to do is
[21:45.960 --> 21:47.960]  Hold this up and wave it like a red
[21:47.960 --> 21:49.960]  Flag in all the other states
[21:49.960 --> 21:51.960]  And then wind up with everybody
[21:51.960 --> 21:53.960]  Doing it, so the best thing they can do is
[21:53.960 --> 21:55.960]  Keep quiet about it
[21:55.960 --> 21:57.960]  And move the way they're moving
[21:57.960 --> 21:59.960]  But those maneuvers
[21:59.960 --> 22:01.960]  You were talking about
[22:01.960 --> 22:03.960]  They've been doing that already
[22:03.960 --> 22:05.960]  Yeah, because
[22:05.960 --> 22:07.960]  I don't think that there's been enough
[22:07.960 --> 22:09.960]  Gun crimes, because you know how they blow them
[22:09.960 --> 22:11.960]  Out of proportion, just constantly
[22:11.960 --> 22:13.960]  Beat them to death on the news
[22:13.960 --> 22:15.960]  Just over and over
[22:15.960 --> 22:17.960]  But every time there's somebody
[22:17.960 --> 22:19.960]  That legally has a firearm
[22:19.960 --> 22:21.960]  And they stop a crime
[22:21.960 --> 22:23.960]  That never gets any media attention
[22:23.960 --> 22:25.960]  Absolutely, that's not
[22:25.960 --> 22:27.960]  Sensational enough
[22:27.960 --> 22:29.960]  And it certainly doesn't save the political agenda
[22:29.960 --> 22:31.960]  I think it's becoming clear to everybody
[22:31.960 --> 22:33.960]  That the news
[22:33.960 --> 22:35.960]  Is, or at least to everybody
[22:35.960 --> 22:37.960]  Who is awake
[22:37.960 --> 22:39.960]  That the news belongs to those
[22:39.960 --> 22:41.960]  The powers that be
[22:41.960 --> 22:43.960]  And we no longer have a free press
[22:43.960 --> 22:45.960]  Other than the one they're listening to now
[22:45.960 --> 22:47.960]  And others like it
[22:47.960 --> 22:49.960]  Yeah, because the job I have
[22:49.960 --> 22:51.960]  I go and talk to a lot of different people
[22:51.960 --> 22:53.960]  Daily
[22:53.960 --> 22:55.960]  And like you keep on saying
[22:55.960 --> 22:57.960]  And it's true, there's a lot of
[22:57.960 --> 22:59.960]  Majority of them
[22:59.960 --> 23:01.960]  That they know exactly what's going on
[23:01.960 --> 23:03.960]  I think it's the time
[23:03.960 --> 23:05.960]  People are waking up
[23:05.960 --> 23:07.960]  They're beginning to realize
[23:07.960 --> 23:09.960]  They see the problems that the feds have caused
[23:09.960 --> 23:11.960]  And I think this
[23:11.960 --> 23:13.960]  This particular step
[23:13.960 --> 23:15.960]  By Montana
[23:15.960 --> 23:17.960]  Of standing out from everyone else
[23:17.960 --> 23:19.960]  And saying it ends here
[23:19.960 --> 23:21.960]  Will be a bellwether
[23:21.960 --> 23:23.960]  It will set a pattern for
[23:23.960 --> 23:25.960]  Other laws in similar
[23:25.960 --> 23:27.960]  Areas
[23:27.960 --> 23:29.960]  Like the federal government
[23:29.960 --> 23:31.960]  Coming into our state
[23:31.960 --> 23:33.960]  And telling us exactly how we will
[23:33.960 --> 23:35.960]  Purchase our medicines
[23:35.960 --> 23:37.960]  And not have medicines
[23:37.960 --> 23:39.960]  I'm looking forward to someone
[23:39.960 --> 23:41.960]  Decriminalizing drugs
[23:41.960 --> 23:43.960]  Because
[23:43.960 --> 23:45.960]  It's not that I
[23:45.960 --> 23:47.960]  The state of California has already done it
[23:47.960 --> 23:49.960]  And a whole bunch of other states already have too
[23:49.960 --> 23:51.960]  And they even have regulated
[23:51.960 --> 23:53.960]  Licensed clinics
[23:53.960 --> 23:55.960]  I'm looking for that to come back
[23:55.960 --> 23:57.960]  It never left
[23:57.960 --> 23:59.960]  The feds are just going in
[23:59.960 --> 24:01.960]  And trying to arrest people who are doing it
[24:01.960 --> 24:03.960]  That's all
[24:03.960 --> 24:05.960]  What we need to do
[24:05.960 --> 24:07.960]  Is every state needs to do it
[24:07.960 --> 24:09.960]  Well the state
[24:09.960 --> 24:11.960]  This will give an indication
[24:11.960 --> 24:13.960]  That it's time to stand up
[24:13.960 --> 24:15.960]  And fight back against the feds
[24:15.960 --> 24:17.960]  And not just let them roll over you
[24:19.960 --> 24:21.960]  Somehow I don't suspect
[24:21.960 --> 24:23.960]  That the feds are going to try to run into
[24:23.960 --> 24:25.960]  Montana
[24:25.960 --> 24:27.960]  And exert their federal authority
[24:27.960 --> 24:29.960]  I think they got the message
[24:29.960 --> 24:31.960]  And we need
[24:31.960 --> 24:33.960]  Yeah because
[24:33.960 --> 24:35.960]  They may try and demonize
[24:35.960 --> 24:37.960]  Guns but I mean it's
[24:37.960 --> 24:39.960]  Pro-ed by just how many guns have been
[24:39.960 --> 24:41.960]  Sold here lately ever since
[24:41.960 --> 24:43.960]  Obama got in
[24:43.960 --> 24:45.960]  And how ammunition just can't stay on the shelf
[24:45.960 --> 24:47.960]  No matter what store you go to
[24:47.960 --> 24:49.960]  Yeah and I have to make a comment too
[24:49.960 --> 24:51.960]  About the Rach versus Ashcroft
[24:51.960 --> 24:53.960]  Case in the state of California
[24:53.960 --> 24:55.960]  With their medical
[24:55.960 --> 24:57.960]  With their medical marijuana
[24:57.960 --> 24:59.960]  Clinics
[24:59.960 --> 25:01.960]  And such
[25:01.960 --> 25:03.960]  And that it's regulated under state law
[25:03.960 --> 25:05.960]  Okay but look what
[25:05.960 --> 25:07.960]  Happened anyway
[25:07.960 --> 25:09.960]  The feds still went in there
[25:09.960 --> 25:11.960]  Okay
[25:11.960 --> 25:13.960]  Overturning the clinics
[25:13.960 --> 25:15.960]  Dragging elderly
[25:15.960 --> 25:17.960]  People that are terminally ill out of their beds
[25:17.960 --> 25:19.960]  Et cetera et cetera
[25:19.960 --> 25:21.960]  With SWAT teams
[25:21.960 --> 25:23.960]  Armed to the teeth
[25:23.960 --> 25:25.960]  And I just can't help but having the
[25:25.960 --> 25:27.960]  Feeling that one of the main
[25:27.960 --> 25:29.960]  Reasons that the feds thought they could
[25:29.960 --> 25:31.960]  Get away with such a thing is because
[25:31.960 --> 25:33.960]  California is a very
[25:33.960 --> 25:35.960]  Liberal state in regards
[25:35.960 --> 25:37.960]  To gun control
[25:37.960 --> 25:39.960]  Okay and if California had
[25:39.960 --> 25:41.960]  Had the same
[25:41.960 --> 25:43.960]  Stance on firearms
[25:43.960 --> 25:45.960]  As Montana
[25:45.960 --> 25:47.960]  Well then maybe
[25:47.960 --> 25:49.960]  Ashcroft may not have gone in there with the SWAT teams
[25:49.960 --> 25:51.960]  And his big guns
[25:51.960 --> 25:53.960]  To harass
[25:53.960 --> 25:55.960]  Elderly people and terminally ill
[25:55.960 --> 25:57.960]  Individuals in the medical marijuana
[25:57.960 --> 25:59.960]  Clinics so just some food for thought
[25:59.960 --> 26:01.960]  Yeah because it's a sure
[26:01.960 --> 26:03.960]  Sign of a coward when they only
[26:03.960 --> 26:05.960]  Look for people that are in armor unable
[26:05.960 --> 26:07.960]  To defend themselves to go after
[26:07.960 --> 26:09.960]  Exactly
[26:09.960 --> 26:11.960]  Exactly
[26:11.960 --> 26:13.960]  Alright very good Dominic
[26:13.960 --> 26:15.960]  Anything else? No I'll get off the line
[26:15.960 --> 26:17.960]  I'll let somebody else get on
[26:17.960 --> 26:19.960]  Pleasure talking to you Alright thanks
[26:19.960 --> 26:21.960]  Dominic Bye bye
[26:21.960 --> 26:23.960]  We're now going to go to Dan
[26:23.960 --> 26:25.960]  In Connecticut
[26:25.960 --> 26:27.960]  Greetings Hey Dan thanks for calling
[26:27.960 --> 26:29.960]  In you have any comments on the issues
[26:29.960 --> 26:31.960]  Or any other issues?
[26:31.960 --> 26:33.960]  Several as a matter of fact
[26:33.960 --> 26:35.960]  I always mention this on the campaign trail
[26:35.960 --> 26:37.960]  My wife wasn't just
[26:37.960 --> 26:39.960]  Saved by the lawful use of a firearm
[26:39.960 --> 26:41.960]  Once it was actually twice
[26:41.960 --> 26:43.960]  I'm a statistical
[26:43.960 --> 26:45.960]  Anomaly
[26:47.960 --> 26:49.960]  Details details data data
[26:49.960 --> 26:51.960]  But yeah
[26:51.960 --> 26:53.960]  One was to break in the other
[26:53.960 --> 26:55.960]  The guy was rummaging through the garage
[26:55.960 --> 26:57.960]  And he was about to come in but that was
[26:57.960 --> 26:59.960]  Basically her dad
[26:59.960 --> 27:01.960]  So I always like to point that out
[27:01.960 --> 27:03.960]  And I always point out what's the first thing
[27:03.960 --> 27:05.960]  That Mao, Stalin and Hitler did
[27:05.960 --> 27:07.960]  They always took away the guns
[27:07.960 --> 27:09.960]  Absolutely
[27:09.960 --> 27:11.960]  Mao I believe he said something to the effect
[27:11.960 --> 27:13.960]  That you know real power comes out of the barrel
[27:13.960 --> 27:15.960]  Of a gun and
[27:15.960 --> 27:17.960]  Hitler was a guy that was pretty big on gun
[27:17.960 --> 27:19.960]  Control and he said basically if you leave
[27:19.960 --> 27:21.960]  Guns around you're basically undoing
[27:21.960 --> 27:23.960]  Your own demise or doing your own
[27:23.960 --> 27:25.960]  Demise I should say
[27:25.960 --> 27:27.960]  But I really
[27:27.960 --> 27:29.960]  See a lot of push back going on
[27:29.960 --> 27:31.960]  Did you guys hear about that media
[27:31.960 --> 27:33.960]  Bailout the newspaper bailout bill?
[27:33.960 --> 27:35.960]  No
[27:35.960 --> 27:37.960]  John Kerry introduced
[27:37.960 --> 27:39.960]  Legislation to bailout
[27:39.960 --> 27:41.960]  Newspapers and allow them to operate
[27:41.960 --> 27:43.960]  As non-profits
[27:43.960 --> 27:45.960]  I heard about the proposal
[27:45.960 --> 27:47.960]  I didn't hear of any
[27:47.960 --> 27:49.960]  Response to it
[27:49.960 --> 27:51.960]  Yeah there was a bill introduced
[27:51.960 --> 27:53.960]  And that really goes to say a lot
[27:53.960 --> 27:55.960]  About how mainstream media is doing
[27:55.960 --> 27:57.960]  I mean for years and years you've got
[27:57.960 --> 27:59.960]  Story after story
[27:59.960 --> 28:01.960]  You know that you can kind of tell
[28:01.960 --> 28:03.960]  Some corporation or government agency
[28:03.960 --> 28:05.960]  Purchased it
[28:05.960 --> 28:07.960]  But you can only go so far and so long
[28:07.960 --> 28:09.960]  Until people figure out you know something's
[28:09.960 --> 28:11.960]  Really up with this news coverage it's not
[28:11.960 --> 28:13.960]  Actually news anymore
[28:13.960 --> 28:15.960]  So that really
[28:15.960 --> 28:17.960]  Says a lot to me but
[28:17.960 --> 28:19.960]  Here's what I'm going to do next time
[28:19.960 --> 28:21.960]  I'm running in 2010
[28:21.960 --> 28:23.960]  AM Microtransmitters
[28:23.960 --> 28:25.960]  Are really going to capitalize on that
[28:25.960 --> 28:27.960]  And a lot of people I know your networks
[28:27.960 --> 28:29.960]  Used it very successfully
[28:29.960 --> 28:31.960]  So what we're going to do is
[28:31.960 --> 28:33.960]  We've got Peter Schiff I guess he might
[28:33.960 --> 28:35.960]  Be running for Senate and Connecticut
[28:35.960 --> 28:37.960]  So that would be good news
[28:39.960 --> 28:41.960]  Can you give us a little more information about him?
[28:41.960 --> 28:43.960]  Oh sure Peter Schiff was
[28:43.960 --> 28:45.960]  Ron Paul's economic advisor
[28:45.960 --> 28:47.960]  And as a matter of fact
[28:47.960 --> 28:49.960]  I just got word today
[28:49.960 --> 28:51.960]  That former Congressman
[28:51.960 --> 28:53.960]  Rob Simmons is also running
[28:53.960 --> 28:55.960]  For Senate and he tried to give
[28:55.960 --> 28:57.960]  Peter Schiff a position as his economic
[28:57.960 --> 28:59.960]  Advisor to buy him off
[28:59.960 --> 29:01.960]  And I guess Schiff isn't returning his calls
[29:03.960 --> 29:05.960]  So yeah he's definitely
[29:05.960 --> 29:07.960]  Very concerned about it and
[29:07.960 --> 29:09.960]  He's going to be
[29:09.960 --> 29:11.960]  At the Libertarian State Convention
[29:11.960 --> 29:13.960]  In Connecticut and
[29:13.960 --> 29:15.960]  He's also going to be speaking with Catherine Olbrecht
[29:15.960 --> 29:17.960]  On May 30th
[29:17.960 --> 29:19.960]  Wonderful
[29:19.960 --> 29:21.960]  And speaking of Ron Paul
[29:21.960 --> 29:23.960]  I had a Ron Paul experience today
[29:23.960 --> 29:25.960]  I have a
[29:25.960 --> 29:27.960]  Long time friend
[29:27.960 --> 29:29.960]  Who when
[29:29.960 --> 29:31.960]  During the campaign
[29:31.960 --> 29:33.960]  I'll go to this after the break
[29:33.960 --> 29:35.960]  Alright
[29:35.960 --> 29:37.960]  Just hang on the line Dan
[29:37.960 --> 29:39.960]  We've also got Freeman from Minnesota
[29:39.960 --> 29:41.960]  On the line
[29:41.960 --> 29:43.960]  We're going to bring up Eddie Craig here shortly as well
[29:43.960 --> 29:45.960]  So Rule of Law
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[31:17.960 --> 31:23.960]  But Julie's no fool. She wants money when it comes to romance.
[31:24.960 --> 31:28.960]  And I'm not gonna lie to you. Okay?
[31:28.960 --> 31:33.960]  Because Julie, man, she will bully. She says she doesn't want no money, we're free.
[31:33.960 --> 31:39.960]  Because Julie, man, she will bully. She says she only wants a helicopter, but I'm free.
[31:39.960 --> 31:47.960]  Because you, man, need to drink the money. Drink the money in US currency. When you drink it, you give it to Julie.
[31:47.960 --> 31:53.960]  Julie says she loves to always tell me. She says she only wants the US currency.
[31:53.960 --> 31:58.960]  But now the economy's getting badly. Wall Street losing all autonomy.
[31:58.960 --> 32:07.960]  Julie says she only wants yen around Sibyta. Julie, man, she will bully. She says she only wants US currency.
[32:07.960 --> 32:12.960]  Julie, man, she will bully. She says she only wants a helicopter, but I'm free.
[32:12.960 --> 32:18.960]  But I'm free, man, and I'm drink the money. So that the money work for the women, you see.
[32:18.960 --> 32:23.960]  So that the money work for the women, you see. And when it comes to drink, drink all the money.
[32:23.960 --> 32:29.960]  You better call helicopter, but I'm free. And when you call him, man, he gets the money.
[32:29.960 --> 32:31.960]  Gets the money, and he drinks it.
[32:31.960 --> 32:36.960]  All right, we are back. The rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[32:36.960 --> 32:45.960]  We're speaking with Dan Reel in Connecticut. And also, we're going to go to Freeman in just a moment.
[32:45.960 --> 32:49.960]  So, Randy, you were just about to tell Dan a story here.
[32:49.960 --> 32:55.960]  Yeah, I had a Ron Paul experience. This is a friend of mine who's been a friend of mine for years.
[32:55.960 --> 33:02.960]  And she made me a birthday cake, and on it she put happy birthday pampas. I won't tell that apart.
[33:02.960 --> 33:09.960]  That's how she treated me. And when I was talking about Ron Paul, she was telling me how full of crapola I was.
[33:09.960 --> 33:15.960]  I just talked to her today, and just out of the clear blue sky, she said,
[33:15.960 --> 33:19.960]  All right, all right. You were right about Ron Paul.
[33:19.960 --> 33:24.960]  And just went on and on about how right I was about Ron Paul.
[33:24.960 --> 33:31.960]  And I think that was an indication of the sign of the times.
[33:31.960 --> 33:35.960]  Because she was about as far right as you could get.
[33:35.960 --> 33:40.960]  And she's realizing that all of that stuff they were hyping was nonsense,
[33:40.960 --> 33:46.960]  and he was the only one that was telling the truth after all.
[33:46.960 --> 33:48.960]  So that's my Ron Paul story.
[33:48.960 --> 33:55.960]  Well, it's good to see some people waking up, you know, even if it's a little bit too late for that particular issue.
[33:55.960 --> 34:02.960]  But at least they're waking up on that they know everything. If that person knows everything he was saying was true now,
[34:02.960 --> 34:05.960]  well, at least she can do something about it now.
[34:05.960 --> 34:07.960]  Yes.
[34:07.960 --> 34:11.960]  I like those stories, and I'll have a lot of those myself.
[34:11.960 --> 34:20.960]  But unfortunately, I do run into a lot of people who are still so heavily invested in the way things have been.
[34:20.960 --> 34:25.960]  I hate to name names here, but I guess my parents would kind of be a good example of that.
[34:25.960 --> 34:30.960]  You know, they're still in the stock market. They actually dumped even more money in.
[34:30.960 --> 34:35.960]  And basically they're asking me, you know, oh, no one will vote for you because, you know,
[34:35.960 --> 34:38.960]  you're saying people should be able to get out of Social Security.
[34:38.960 --> 34:42.960]  And I just put it to them this way. I said, look, it's going to end.
[34:42.960 --> 34:50.960]  You know, you have 99.1 trillion dollars to the infinite horizon for like Medicare and Social Security and unfunded obligations.
[34:50.960 --> 34:53.960]  So it's going to happen one or two ways.
[34:53.960 --> 34:59.960]  We either let people out and we slowly scale it back and don't put more people in,
[34:59.960 --> 35:05.960]  or the checks will either stop coming or they just won't be worth anything,
[35:05.960 --> 35:07.960]  in which case it's going to be way more chaotic.
[35:07.960 --> 35:10.960]  And I think people are seeing the writing on the wall with that.
[35:10.960 --> 35:13.960]  That is unless you're really heavily vested into the system
[35:13.960 --> 35:17.960]  and you've got hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up into it.
[35:17.960 --> 35:23.960]  And, you know, God forbid you found out the truth, you wouldn't even know what to do with yourself.
[35:23.960 --> 35:29.960]  Well, it's hard to admit that everything you thought you knew was wrong,
[35:29.960 --> 35:32.960]  that everything you believed in was a lie.
[35:32.960 --> 35:36.960]  And I understand how difficult it can be.
[35:36.960 --> 35:40.960]  But more and more people are waking up.
[35:40.960 --> 35:47.960]  Oh, yeah. Fortunately and unfortunately in a lot of ways, I used to be a left-wing Democrat.
[35:47.960 --> 35:53.960]  I mean, somehow I made that transition to libertarian, which I never thought I'd be saying.
[35:53.960 --> 35:55.960]  These programs were like really awful.
[35:55.960 --> 36:02.960]  And, you know, things that FDR did like paying farmers to destroy food were just absolutely insane.
[36:02.960 --> 36:10.960]  But somehow I got there. So, I mean, if I can do it, I think anybody can.
[36:10.960 --> 36:14.960]  Well, that's encouraging to know, Dan. Seriously.
[36:14.960 --> 36:20.960]  Because, I mean, there are a lot of people who have felt that way.
[36:20.960 --> 36:23.960]  I can say this.
[36:23.960 --> 36:28.960]  Anyone out there, if you ever have a chance to take Michael Badnerich's Constitution class, do so.
[36:28.960 --> 36:36.960]  Because I guarantee it doesn't matter if you are the most left-wing hippie or whatever,
[36:36.960 --> 36:43.960]  you will – no person can walk out of his class and be a leftist anymore
[36:43.960 --> 36:48.960]  because he just does such a good job at opening people's eyes to the truth
[36:48.960 --> 36:52.960]  that you just can't drink the Kool-Aid anymore.
[36:52.960 --> 36:57.960]  Oh, yeah. I do want to say that is the thing that I ran into when I started realizing something was wrong.
[36:57.960 --> 37:04.960]  You know, I was just kind of going around online. God, has it been five years already?
[37:04.960 --> 37:07.960]  But I found that and, you know, I listened to it.
[37:07.960 --> 37:11.960]  And this is back when he had the original original versions of the class posted.
[37:11.960 --> 37:16.960]  But, you know, it really walked me through here's how money works.
[37:16.960 --> 37:19.960]  I mean, obviously I learned there is no such thing as free money.
[37:19.960 --> 37:24.960]  I mean, I was kind of confused to a degree because everyone was saying you have a right to health care
[37:24.960 --> 37:28.960]  and you have a right to, you know, your neighbor's property in effect.
[37:28.960 --> 37:31.960]  But I didn't see it that way.
[37:31.960 --> 37:33.960]  And then I finally realized what was going on.
[37:33.960 --> 37:36.960]  And I realized, you know what, something has to come from somewhere.
[37:36.960 --> 37:38.960]  We all don't live in a vacuum.
[37:38.960 --> 37:45.960]  And there isn't not a consequence for anything like what the government is doing.
[37:45.960 --> 37:53.960]  Well, Dan, I'm sure glad to hear about your sordid past.
[37:53.960 --> 37:54.960]  And look at him now.
[37:54.960 --> 37:59.960]  He's a libertarian, running for Congress, doing all kinds of great things.
[37:59.960 --> 38:01.960]  Good for you, Dan.
[38:01.960 --> 38:06.960]  Yeah, I'm going to get off the line and stop tooting my horn about my own sordid past.
[38:06.960 --> 38:11.960]  And I can't toot my horn for another week about my evil rival radio network
[38:11.960 --> 38:13.960]  because Friday is going to be my last show.
[38:13.960 --> 38:18.960]  I'm going to try to focus on my micro broadcaster project.
[38:18.960 --> 38:20.960]  Good for you.
[38:20.960 --> 38:24.960]  Yeah, I'm going to try to get some plans written up and basically make sure I've dumped it down
[38:24.960 --> 38:29.960]  to a point where anybody can build one from scratch.
[38:29.960 --> 38:35.960]  So are you going to be marketing a, is this going to be an AM or an FM project?
[38:35.960 --> 38:37.960]  This is going to be an AM project.
[38:37.960 --> 38:41.960]  You might want to get in touch with Chess Kane up in South Dakota.
[38:41.960 --> 38:46.960]  We're working with him and some other people on marketing his product
[38:46.960 --> 38:51.960]  and some other products that Greg, one of our other hosts, is working on as well,
[38:51.960 --> 38:56.960]  so that it's not so much a competition thing but that we're all working on this together.
[38:56.960 --> 39:00.960]  Yeah, what I want to do is I want to basically disseminate how to do it,
[39:00.960 --> 39:06.960]  and I just want it to go viral so anybody that wants to take it up will know how to do it.
[39:06.960 --> 39:12.960]  We could actually retake the media, be you libertarian, be you green, be you whatever.
[39:12.960 --> 39:14.960]  So that way we could kind of level the playing field.
[39:14.960 --> 39:19.960]  And, you know, my personal goal for 2010 is to have Connecticut loaded with these things
[39:19.960 --> 39:21.960]  in a small area.
[39:21.960 --> 39:27.960]  I think it would be a good thing if we had these micros that absolutely, totally disagreed with us.
[39:27.960 --> 39:29.960]  And we have Scott from Connecticut also.
[39:29.960 --> 39:32.960]  He may have some words for you, Dan.
[39:32.960 --> 39:35.960]  All right, well, I'll hang up and...
[39:35.960 --> 39:36.960]  Well, don't hang up yet.
[39:36.960 --> 39:37.960]  Let's bring up Scott first.
[39:37.960 --> 39:40.960]  Scott, did you have any words for Dan?
[39:40.960 --> 39:41.960]  Hello?
[39:41.960 --> 39:46.960]  Yes, did you have any words for Dan, Scott?
[39:46.960 --> 39:49.960]  All right, I guess he dropped off the line again.
[39:49.960 --> 39:50.960]  All right, well, thank you, Dan.
[39:50.960 --> 39:52.960]  Thank you for calling in.
[39:52.960 --> 39:53.960]  Well, not a problem.
[39:53.960 --> 40:00.960]  And as always, I am about, and we've got various projects going on, so, you know, I'll see what's up.
[40:00.960 --> 40:01.960]  All right, thank you.
[40:01.960 --> 40:02.960]  All right, talk to you later.
[40:02.960 --> 40:06.960]  Okay, we're going to go now to Freeman in Minnesota.
[40:06.960 --> 40:08.960]  Hey, Freeman, thanks for calling in.
[40:08.960 --> 40:10.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[40:10.960 --> 40:11.960]  Hello, hello.
[40:11.960 --> 40:14.960]  Well, I have some words for Dan.
[40:14.960 --> 40:17.960]  Thanks a lot, brother, for bringing up Peter Schiff.
[40:17.960 --> 40:22.960]  Peter Schiff runs Euro Pacific Capital.
[40:22.960 --> 40:24.960]  That's EuroPAC.
[40:24.960 --> 40:34.960]  And I had no idea he was being maybe considered or solicited for U.S. Senate Connecticut.
[40:34.960 --> 40:38.960]  And I'm very happy to hear that.
[40:38.960 --> 40:46.960]  Now, I called on Friday and I had been intending on bringing up a few things.
[40:46.960 --> 40:52.960]  I had not got quite as far as I had hoped to have gotten.
[40:52.960 --> 40:58.960]  But I'm going to be having open surgery tomorrow morning.
[40:58.960 --> 41:06.960]  I'll be having a fairly major orthopedic reconstruction on my left shoulder.
[41:06.960 --> 41:15.960]  And I had moved for extension on a court date for the following morning and been denied.
[41:15.960 --> 41:23.960]  Now, I had gotten maybe a suggestion as to vomiting in court.
[41:23.960 --> 41:24.960]  Yeah, that's right.
[41:24.960 --> 41:26.960]  It does sound like a very attractive idea,
[41:26.960 --> 41:29.960]  but that might involve some involuntary kind of convulsion.
[41:29.960 --> 41:36.960]  And I might be in a fragile state to endeavor something kind of like that.
[41:36.960 --> 41:41.960]  I did have a chicken suggestion, but I was going to leave that one out.
[41:41.960 --> 41:49.960]  I'm not quite understanding why you're not able to postpone the hearing if you're going to be in surgery,
[41:49.960 --> 41:51.960]  if you're going to be having surgery.
[41:51.960 --> 41:54.960]  Because just as Randy mentioned a few months back,
[41:54.960 --> 42:01.960]  Minnesota knocked Florida out of first place for the most corrupt judiciary in the whole country.
[42:01.960 --> 42:04.960]  And I'm right here in Minnesota.
[42:04.960 --> 42:12.960]  Now, that's a bit anecdotal, but I mean, it does hold some water.
[42:12.960 --> 42:17.960]  And I mean, I will say, I mean, I tried to follow through on some advice.
[42:17.960 --> 42:24.960]  You know, it tends to be capital intensive, though, and I really don't have any wherewithal right now.
[42:24.960 --> 42:31.960]  I don't have any means to get some of these things done that I'd like to get done,
[42:31.960 --> 42:42.960]  such as traveling three hours away from where I live to file charges face-to-face against so-and-so with so-and-so,
[42:42.960 --> 42:45.960]  and then when they don't do it, you know, on to the next level.
[42:45.960 --> 42:47.960]  File them by mail.
[42:47.960 --> 42:49.960]  File them by mail.
[42:49.960 --> 42:50.960]  That's 35 mil?
[42:50.960 --> 42:51.960]  Yeah.
[42:51.960 --> 42:52.960]  Yeah.
[42:52.960 --> 42:53.960]  Okay.
[42:53.960 --> 43:00.960]  Well, I really haven't tried to go that route quite yet, so that is...
[43:00.960 --> 43:04.960]  A lot easier, a lot cheaper, and it's better if they don't get to look at you.
[43:04.960 --> 43:05.960]  They don't get to ask you questions.
[43:05.960 --> 43:09.960]  They don't get to evaluate you, so they don't know who's shooting at them.
[43:09.960 --> 43:11.960]  Better than face-to-face, is that right?
[43:11.960 --> 43:13.960]  I think so.
[43:13.960 --> 43:15.960]  I'm glad to hear that.
[43:15.960 --> 43:18.960]  Now, what's the best way that I would want to do that?
[43:18.960 --> 43:21.960]  Would it be confirmed delivery?
[43:21.960 --> 43:23.960]  Absolutely.
[43:23.960 --> 43:24.960]  You want their signature.
[43:24.960 --> 43:26.960]  You want to be able to prove they got it.
[43:26.960 --> 43:27.960]  Okay.
[43:27.960 --> 43:28.960]  Okay.
[43:28.960 --> 43:29.960]  Okay.
[43:29.960 --> 43:31.960]  I'll wait.
[43:31.960 --> 43:34.960]  Actually, I think certified mail is the best.
[43:34.960 --> 43:36.960]  Registered mail is the best.
[43:36.960 --> 43:37.960]  All right.
[43:37.960 --> 43:40.960]  Listen, you can hang on the line if you like.
[43:40.960 --> 43:42.960]  Freeman, we've got another caller.
[43:42.960 --> 43:45.960]  We're also going to be bringing Eddie Craig up shortly.
[43:45.960 --> 43:46.960]  This is the Rule of Law.
[43:46.960 --> 43:51.960]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens here on ruleoflawradio.com.
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[46:05.960 --> 46:12.960]  Watching the sparks fly here on Rule of Law Radio, ruleoflawradio.com.
[46:12.960 --> 46:15.960]  I'm Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton.
[46:15.960 --> 46:19.960]  We're bringing Eddie Craig up from Texas.
[46:19.960 --> 46:23.960]  And right now, Freeman, I'm sorry, we need to move on
[46:23.960 --> 46:25.960]  because we've got a lot of callers on the line.
[46:25.960 --> 46:30.960]  And right now we've got a caller from out of country, actually David from Canada.
[46:30.960 --> 46:33.960]  David from Eastern Canada, thank you for calling in.
[46:33.960 --> 46:35.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[46:35.960 --> 46:41.960]  Yes, I heard you folks talking and I just had to send you some e-mails.
[46:41.960 --> 46:47.960]  I heard you mentioned Ron Paul, Bernard Nicker, and Mr. Schiff and everything.
[46:47.960 --> 46:48.960]  Yes.
[46:48.960 --> 46:50.960]  My name is David Raymond Amos.
[46:50.960 --> 46:53.960]  I ran for Parliament a couple of times.
[46:53.960 --> 46:58.960]  And I just sent you some e-mails to prove to you what I say is true.
[46:58.960 --> 47:07.960]  But on November the 18th and November the 20th, 2003, are you there?
[47:07.960 --> 47:08.960]  We're here.
[47:08.960 --> 47:09.960]  Yes, I'm sorry.
[47:09.960 --> 47:12.960]  I'm having to screen calls on the breaks again tonight.
[47:12.960 --> 47:14.960]  And sometimes I forget to mute the ringer.
[47:14.960 --> 47:15.960]  Please go ahead.
[47:15.960 --> 47:16.960]  Yes.
[47:16.960 --> 47:21.960]  So anyway, I caused some very important hearings at the U.S. Senate Banking Committee in Washington
[47:21.960 --> 47:26.960]  entitled Review of Current Investigations of the Mutual Fund Industry.
[47:26.960 --> 47:32.960]  Now I'm the fellow that sued three U.S. Treasury agents, the Attorney General,
[47:32.960 --> 47:36.960]  the Commissioner of Judicial Conduct, the Board of Bar Overseers,
[47:36.960 --> 47:42.960]  a host of folks in Massachusetts in 2002.
[47:42.960 --> 47:49.960]  And by early 2003 when I started winning some judgments by default, believe it or not,
[47:49.960 --> 47:53.960]  one of the judges I was suing panicked and picked up the phone
[47:53.960 --> 47:58.960]  and made false allegations of a presidential threat against me.
[47:58.960 --> 48:01.960]  And I'm a Canadian, not an American.
[48:01.960 --> 48:05.960]  So the Secret Service was to just move from the Treasury Department
[48:05.960 --> 48:09.960]  to the Department of Homeland Security, came to my home in Milton, Massachusetts,
[48:09.960 --> 48:12.960]  tried to take yours truly to Guantanamo Bay.
[48:12.960 --> 48:14.960]  Oh, boy.
[48:14.960 --> 48:18.960]  I think you can tell by my voice I'm not a shy man.
[48:18.960 --> 48:23.960]  You don't try to take my father's son anywhere he don't want to go.
[48:23.960 --> 48:25.960]  And that caused quite a circus.
[48:25.960 --> 48:32.960]  And six months later, my whistleblowing efforts, I filed what is known as Form 211,
[48:32.960 --> 48:35.960]  whistleblower forms with the U.S. Treasury Department.
[48:35.960 --> 48:40.960]  You know, I don't know if you're familiar with the Form 211 under Title 26.
[48:40.960 --> 48:45.960]  Anyway, and when feds wouldn't do anything, I sued them.
[48:45.960 --> 48:48.960]  Six months later, this hearing, it's entitled,
[48:48.960 --> 48:52.960]  Review of Current Investigations of the Mutual Fund Industry.
[48:52.960 --> 48:55.960]  What you should take careful notice of is that the transcripts
[48:55.960 --> 48:59.960]  and the webcast have disappeared from that hearing.
[48:59.960 --> 49:04.960]  And I just sent you some e-mails to prove to you I'm the whistleblower.
[49:04.960 --> 49:09.960]  Now, the first e-mail I sent you, as you go halfway down through it,
[49:09.960 --> 49:15.960]  you'll see I'm also the man that caused Bernie Madoff to plead guilty on March 13.
[49:15.960 --> 49:20.960]  You can see an e-mail exchange between the U.S. Attorney and I in New York.
[49:20.960 --> 49:24.960]  And in fact, if you look a little higher, you'll see an e-mail exchange
[49:24.960 --> 49:26.960]  between Mr. McCarroll and I.
[49:26.960 --> 49:33.960]  He's Peter Schiff's, what do you call it, CEO of EuroPAC.
[49:33.960 --> 49:36.960]  I know quite a bit about this stuff.
[49:36.960 --> 49:41.960]  How do you come to be in a position to have this kind of influence?
[49:41.960 --> 49:44.960]  I've lived this for seven years, sir.
[49:44.960 --> 49:49.960]  My wife inherited interest from family members
[49:49.960 --> 49:54.960]  buried all around Rose Kennedy in Bookline, Massachusetts.
[49:54.960 --> 49:59.960]  And one of the places where the money was being hid was a bank
[49:59.960 --> 50:01.960]  called the Bookline Savings Bank.
[50:01.960 --> 50:03.960]  It's one bank in one town.
[50:03.960 --> 50:09.960]  And we lived in Milton, Massachusetts, the same town where George H.W. Bush was born.
[50:09.960 --> 50:14.960]  Now, when I got investigating my wife's money and where it went,
[50:14.960 --> 50:19.960]  you know, like say out of Merrill Lynch and into another bank,
[50:19.960 --> 50:22.960]  it's called money laundering.
[50:22.960 --> 50:27.960]  And I saw where people were still trading on the stock market years after they were dead.
[50:27.960 --> 50:30.960]  I found bank accounts held open in dead people's names.
[50:30.960 --> 50:36.960]  And I thought, good God, if they do this to relatives, what do they do to strangers?
[50:36.960 --> 50:39.960]  So I started researching all the states these people had closed.
[50:39.960 --> 50:45.960]  And my wife's relatives are known as the Kirkman-Lace Irish Catholics of Boston.
[50:45.960 --> 50:50.960]  You know how corrupt the Boston area is.
[50:50.960 --> 50:54.960]  Anyway, our family lawyer sat on the Board of Governors of Harvard Law
[50:54.960 --> 51:00.960]  when even the Inspector General, Glenn Fine, graduated.
[51:00.960 --> 51:03.960]  It was like pretty bad.
[51:03.960 --> 51:09.960]  So anyway, who gets the first kick of the can in all the states and trusts
[51:09.960 --> 51:12.960]  and all that stuff is the taxman, of course.
[51:12.960 --> 51:16.960]  And as I said, I'm a Canadian, but I'm a very proud Canadian
[51:16.960 --> 51:21.960]  and married to a nice American lady and we have two American children, right?
[51:21.960 --> 51:25.960]  But my dad's tax supervisor in this province and my sister's a lawyer,
[51:25.960 --> 51:27.960]  my husband's a lawyer, my brother's a banker.
[51:27.960 --> 51:32.960]  And after my dad died, my mom married the chief electoral officer.
[51:32.960 --> 51:38.960]  Let's just say I understand the game and I won't play it.
[51:38.960 --> 51:41.960]  My old man taught me there's no degrees of honesty.
[51:41.960 --> 51:44.960]  You are or you are not.
[51:44.960 --> 51:51.960]  And I couldn't believe it when your Treasury Department kept trying to lock me up.
[51:51.960 --> 51:54.960]  That's why I sued them.
[51:54.960 --> 51:56.960]  But that was way back.
[51:56.960 --> 51:58.960]  That's 2002.
[51:58.960 --> 52:03.960]  And since that time, you wouldn't believe what's happened to my family and I.
[52:03.960 --> 52:08.960]  And people have gone to great lengths to prove that they don't like David Amos.
[52:08.960 --> 52:10.960]  But people certainly love their money.
[52:10.960 --> 52:16.960]  And all these years later, as the economy goes into the toilet,
[52:16.960 --> 52:19.960]  they're starting to remember what I did seven years ago.
[52:19.960 --> 52:26.960]  And the first thing to disappear was the transcripts and the webcast of that hearing I mentioned,
[52:26.960 --> 52:30.960]  November the 18th and November the 20th, 2003.
[52:30.960 --> 52:35.960]  If you look real close at the hearing, all you have to do is type in Senate Banking Committee
[52:35.960 --> 52:40.960]  and you'll see Senators Dodge and Shelby, you know, the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking,
[52:40.960 --> 52:42.960]  the House and Urban Affairs.
[52:42.960 --> 52:46.960]  You go to their current hearing schedule, November the 18th,
[52:46.960 --> 52:52.960]  take careful notice that Donaldson, who's one of Obama's new economic advisers,
[52:52.960 --> 52:54.960]  testified the first day.
[52:54.960 --> 53:03.960]  I've crossed paths with lots of them, like Larry Summers, Campos, Paul Volcker, lots of them.
[53:03.960 --> 53:06.960]  This is really hard to keep up with.
[53:06.960 --> 53:12.960]  Well, man, I've been suing lawyers for so long, like I am hard to keep up with.
[53:12.960 --> 53:17.960]  Yeah, David, I think that we should, you know, converse with you off the air
[53:17.960 --> 53:21.960]  and get some more information and bring you on as a guest at some point.
[53:21.960 --> 53:24.960]  Yeah, well, I've been on different shows.
[53:24.960 --> 53:27.960]  I'm preparing to do The Queen right now.
[53:27.960 --> 53:31.960]  But I remember that Bernard guy that you were talking about.
[53:31.960 --> 53:38.960]  I remember like when I ran for power in 2004, before I went home to run,
[53:38.960 --> 53:42.960]  Peter Fitzgerald, he used to be a banker, you know, out of Chicago,
[53:42.960 --> 53:47.960]  and he quit his Senate seat and this young Barack Obama was running.
[53:47.960 --> 53:52.960]  And I was talking to his assistant, a man named Peter Coffey.
[53:52.960 --> 53:54.960]  I understand he's a lobbyist now.
[53:54.960 --> 53:57.960]  And I said, you're running for a Fitzgerald seat, how do you do?
[53:57.960 --> 54:03.960]  And I had a signed answer from Patrick Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in New York,
[54:03.960 --> 54:06.960]  the same guy that prosecuted Conrad Black.
[54:06.960 --> 54:08.960]  Anyway, I'm going, how do you do?
[54:08.960 --> 54:12.960]  I said, is this Obama fellow not his character?
[54:12.960 --> 54:13.960]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[54:13.960 --> 54:16.960]  And I said, are you coming to Boston for the Democratic convention?
[54:16.960 --> 54:17.960]  Oh, I don't think so.
[54:17.960 --> 54:20.960]  I said, what do you think of them Kennedys and John Kerry?
[54:20.960 --> 54:22.960]  You understand that they're my wife's senators.
[54:22.960 --> 54:27.960]  And the estates I was investigating, the families that I was investigating,
[54:27.960 --> 54:32.960]  my wife's aunt lives right beside Rose Kennedy.
[54:32.960 --> 54:34.960]  And I'm going, what do you think of them Kennedys?
[54:34.960 --> 54:36.960]  They're my Irish Catholics.
[54:36.960 --> 54:40.960]  And you understand we're not Catholic.
[54:40.960 --> 54:45.960]  And rather than say anything bad, he just didn't say anything.
[54:45.960 --> 54:48.960]  I said, would you like the same stuff that John Kerry and Ted Kennedy got?
[54:48.960 --> 54:50.960]  Oh, I'd love it.
[54:50.960 --> 54:55.960]  And anyway, I went home to run for parliament, and instead of watching from up here,
[54:55.960 --> 54:58.960]  Barack Obama became keynote speaker in Boston.
[54:58.960 --> 55:00.960]  I died laughing.
[55:00.960 --> 55:06.960]  So anyway, when I got back to your country, I was arrested without being arrested,
[55:06.960 --> 55:10.960]  held in solitary confinement underneath the charges of other,
[55:10.960 --> 55:13.960]  in the downtown Boston jail where the sheriff, who was a lawyer,
[55:13.960 --> 55:17.960]  I proved two years before that when she changed her certificate of service,
[55:17.960 --> 55:20.960]  you know, when I sued people.
[55:20.960 --> 55:26.960]  And when I got out of jail, I saw that Benarik guy and David Cobb,
[55:26.960 --> 55:31.960]  the people that were running for president back in 2004, they got locked up,
[55:31.960 --> 55:35.960]  trying to bully their way into a debate.
[55:35.960 --> 55:38.960]  And I remember talking to Benarik's assistant.
[55:38.960 --> 55:43.960]  He was driving through Texas and trying to relay to him how I could help him
[55:43.960 --> 55:47.960]  embarrass John Kerry and Bush.
[55:47.960 --> 55:52.960]  And nobody listened to me except his media person, a really nice lady in Georgia.
[55:52.960 --> 55:56.960]  And she actually even came up to see me with her family several months later
[55:56.960 --> 55:58.960]  and helped me serve some lawyers.
[55:58.960 --> 56:01.960]  That's one thing I do with suit lawyers, you understand?
[56:01.960 --> 56:04.960]  I'm quite adept at it.
[56:04.960 --> 56:06.960]  Well, I'm glad to hear that.
[56:06.960 --> 56:09.960]  But because of that, they keep locking me up.
[56:09.960 --> 56:12.960]  I'm having a lot of trouble keeping up with you.
[56:12.960 --> 56:14.960]  You're moving around so fast.
[56:14.960 --> 56:15.960]  That's a beautiful story.
[56:15.960 --> 56:16.960]  But I sent you the e-mails.
[56:16.960 --> 56:20.960]  You feel free to check my work.
[56:20.960 --> 56:25.960]  All you have to do is go to Senate Banking Committee and just look,
[56:25.960 --> 56:27.960]  and you'll see the webcast and transcripts.
[56:27.960 --> 56:30.960]  What was the year on the Senate Banking Committee?
[56:30.960 --> 56:32.960]  2003.
[56:32.960 --> 56:33.960]  2003, November 8.
[56:33.960 --> 56:36.960]  If you were to type in Senate Banking Committee, say in Google,
[56:36.960 --> 56:38.960]  it would be your number one hit.
[56:38.960 --> 56:39.960]  Okay, good.
[56:39.960 --> 56:40.960]  We'll do that.
[56:40.960 --> 56:43.960]  And then when you hit Hearings, Current Schedule,
[56:43.960 --> 56:45.960]  there's a little bar tips up.
[56:45.960 --> 56:52.960]  You go to 2003, and then you'll see a hearing, November 18, 2003,
[56:52.960 --> 56:55.960]  entitled Review of Current Investigations.
[56:55.960 --> 56:58.960]  Now on the first day, Donaldson and Fink spoke.
[56:58.960 --> 57:01.960]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[57:01.960 --> 57:02.960]  We'll go through that.
[57:02.960 --> 57:04.960]  This is getting too confusing.
[57:04.960 --> 57:05.960]  Well, it's your country.
[57:05.960 --> 57:07.960]  I'll let you go if you don't believe me.
[57:07.960 --> 57:09.960]  Yeah, no, no, it's not that we don't believe you.
[57:09.960 --> 57:10.960]  It's just that...
[57:10.960 --> 57:12.960]  You're going so fast and back and forth and up and down.
[57:12.960 --> 57:14.960]  And we have another guest coming up,
[57:14.960 --> 57:17.960]  and so what we want to do is we want to converse with you off the air
[57:17.960 --> 57:19.960]  and bring you on as a guest at some point.
[57:19.960 --> 57:26.960]  Yeah, so we have time to do all this where people can keep up with us.
[57:26.960 --> 57:28.960]  I think he hung up.
[57:28.960 --> 57:29.960]  Maybe we heard his feelings.
[57:29.960 --> 57:30.960]  I don't know.
[57:30.960 --> 57:31.960]  I couldn't keep up with him.
[57:31.960 --> 57:33.960]  He's running too fast.
[57:33.960 --> 57:34.960]  Okay.
[57:34.960 --> 57:38.960]  Okay, so Eddie, okay, we've got Mark from Michigan.
[57:38.960 --> 57:39.960]  Let's bring Mark up.
[57:39.960 --> 57:40.960]  Wait a minute.
[57:40.960 --> 57:42.960]  We cut off Travis kind of quick.
[57:42.960 --> 57:43.960]  He hung up.
[57:43.960 --> 57:45.960]  Okay, let's go to Mark in Michigan.
[57:45.960 --> 57:46.960]  Mark, thanks for calling in.
[57:46.960 --> 57:48.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[57:48.960 --> 57:53.960]  Okay, guys, got something kind of unusual wanted to run it by you.
[57:53.960 --> 57:58.960]  My sister received a ticket today.
[57:58.960 --> 58:02.960]  Never seen this before.
[58:02.960 --> 58:03.960]  Oh, I hear you going to music.
[58:03.960 --> 58:04.960]  Yes, we're going to music.
[58:04.960 --> 58:05.960]  I'm sorry.
[58:05.960 --> 58:07.960]  We're at the end of the segment.
[58:07.960 --> 58:08.960]  Just hang on the line, Mark.
[58:08.960 --> 58:09.960]  We've got another caller.
[58:09.960 --> 58:14.960]  We also have Eddie Craig joining us again this evening.
[58:14.960 --> 58:38.960]  We'll be right back after this top of the hour break.
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[01:00:59.960 --> 01:01:03.960]  All right, we are back, the Rule of Law.
[01:01:03.960 --> 01:01:07.960]  Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:10.960]  We've got Eddie Craig with us tonight.
[01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:14.960]  He's got some comments that he'll make as soon as we finish up with this caller.
[01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.960]  We've got Mark from Michigan.
[01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:19.960]  Mark, are you there?
[01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:20.960]  Yeah, yeah, sure am.
[01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:22.960]  Okay, so please continue.
[01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:27.960]  We've got Eddie Craig with us who also may make some comments about this traffic situation.
[01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:28.960]  So go ahead, Mark.
[01:01:28.960 --> 01:01:35.960]  Okay, my sister was going to take this guy some food, and I don't know,
[01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.960]  I haven't gotten all the details, not fast in judgment.
[01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:40.960]  Here's the thing.
[01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:46.960]  While she was there, the police raided the place, which was kind of unusual,
[01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:48.960]  but again, not getting into the details.
[01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:59.960]  She gets a ticket for loitering in a place where drugs are stored or sold.
[01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:03.960]  I've never seen this before in my life.
[01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:09.960]  I think it's a Detroit City ordinance, but I can't find it anywhere.
[01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.960]  File a bill of particulars.
[01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:14.960]  A bill of particulars.
[01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:20.960]  Yes, ask for the particulars, specifically what chapter and verse,
[01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:24.960]  what are the elements of the offense,
[01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:31.960]  and what is the evidence you have to support those elements?
[01:02:31.960 --> 01:02:32.960]  Okay.
[01:02:32.960 --> 01:02:39.960]  Without that, you don't have sufficient notice to be able to defend yourself.
[01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.960]  Okay, okay.
[01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:46.960]  I thought of a couple other things because, of course, the details are much different,
[01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:52.960]  but, you know, a perjury and good things like that,
[01:02:52.960 --> 01:02:56.960]  and the other ideas of things that I can throw their way.
[01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:01.960]  Well, without the bill of particulars, without knowing what they're talking about,
[01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.960]  you really don't know what to do.
[01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:11.960]  Because, you know, at this point, it just sounds like a bunch of words,
[01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.960]  but unless there's a specific statute behind that, and you'll find they do this,
[01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.960]  they'll just make up a bunch of words and call it whatever they want to.
[01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:26.960]  So we want to see the actual statute behind those words,
[01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.960]  and once you've got that, then you can determine whether or not the officer lied or not.
[01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:34.960]  Okay, okay, so that would be the first step.
[01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:36.960]  I mean, she just got it today.
[01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:40.960]  Like I said, it looks like a ticket, but on the top it says complaint.
[01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:46.960]  It doesn't look like any traffic ticket I've ever seen, so this is what's throwing me off,
[01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:48.960]  and this is what's odd as well.
[01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:55.960]  Here in Michigan, for a traffic ticket, we don't usually get the option of trial by jury,
[01:03:55.960 --> 01:04:01.960]  but here on this, it gives the option of a trial by jury, you know, on the back, when you flip it over,
[01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:06.960]  it gives you your option, you can plead guilty, not guilty, all that good stuff.
[01:04:06.960 --> 01:04:12.960]  That may be because it's under municipal ordinance instead of traffic code.
[01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.960]  Gotcha, gotcha, so that would be another place to look.
[01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:22.960]  But to grab the bill of particulars would nail it down and remove looking for a wall bill, huh?
[01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:25.960]  Yes, just Google bill of particulars.
[01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:26.960]  They'll give you a good idea.
[01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:28.960]  Yeah, except don't use Google.
[01:04:28.960 --> 01:04:32.960]  Or exquisite bill of particulars.
[01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:33.960]  Gotcha, gotcha.
[01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:35.960]  Okay, well that's where I'll start.
[01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.960]  That's great advice.
[01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:40.960]  All right, thank you, Mark.
[01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:46.960]  Okay, we are now going to bring up our guest, Eddie Craig, who's going to be sitting in with us tonight
[01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:47.960]  answering questions as well.
[01:04:47.960 --> 01:04:53.960]  And Eddie, you had some comments about some topics we were discussing earlier.
[01:04:53.960 --> 01:04:58.960]  Yeah, the gun control or lack of gun control that Montana's coming up with.
[01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:04.960]  And we've got a similar bill passing through in Texas right now that if it passes as it hopefully will,
[01:05:04.960 --> 01:05:07.960]  it goes into effect September of this year.
[01:05:07.960 --> 01:05:14.960]  But the thing that I've never understood about this gun control that these people in our respective Congress
[01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:20.960]  and legislators keep trying to do is why would these people rather see a woman raped and strangled dead
[01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:24.960]  with her own pantyhose in an alley than standing up with a gun in her hand
[01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:27.960]  having successfully defended herself against the attack?
[01:05:27.960 --> 01:05:30.960]  I've never understood that way of thinking.
[01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:33.960]  Well, and I don't think, Eddie, that it has anything to do with that.
[01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:35.960]  They've got another agenda.
[01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:37.960]  They want to disarm us.
[01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:38.960]  Well, that's true.
[01:05:38.960 --> 01:05:42.960]  But what I spoke of is a result of that disarming.
[01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:49.960]  And anybody with a modicum of decency and common sense for self-preservation would know that in lots of places,
[01:05:49.960 --> 01:05:56.960]  large cities, especially in this current day and age, those are necessary things for people to be able to do.
[01:05:56.960 --> 01:06:01.960]  And I know the government doesn't want us to be able to do it because then the one that they could be,
[01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:05.960]  we could be defending against is them, of course, as always.
[01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:08.960]  But if we get this, Randy, if you'll remember,
[01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:12.960]  I told you that when they started passing these 10th Amendment laws within the states,
[01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:18.960]  one of the first things that was going to have to fall would be the federal legislation on guns
[01:06:18.960 --> 01:06:24.960]  because there is no constitutional granted power to regulate firearms.
[01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:27.960]  In fact, it is specifically prohibited.
[01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:34.960]  So those 10th Amendment laws are going to nullify 99% of federal regulations.
[01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:42.960]  And we as a populace need to be aware of that and push for that just as heavy as we can.
[01:06:42.960 --> 01:06:49.960]  Maybe we should do a show on gun control or on the effect of these kinds of legislations,
[01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:56.960]  how legislation affects the overall atmosphere.
[01:06:56.960 --> 01:07:04.960]  Because a lot of times with this legislation, we don't understand what the ramifications are going to be.
[01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:06.960]  This is true.
[01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:16.960]  And I see your point with how the 10th Amendment is empowering the states to pass other legislations.
[01:07:16.960 --> 01:07:27.960]  I suspect if California had filed a 10th Amendment, if not statute, just a statement of posture
[01:07:27.960 --> 01:07:37.960]  because I can't see that this 10th Amendment bill has to state any law other than just state the position of the legislature.
[01:07:37.960 --> 01:07:48.960]  And, Eddie, also just to address what you said a little while ago about people not being able to defend themselves
[01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:55.960]  basically being the result of these people's mindset, the ones that are trying to disarm us ultimately.
[01:07:55.960 --> 01:08:02.960]  Their answer, which is really just a ruse, is, well, we'll take care of you.
[01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:03.960]  Just call the police.
[01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.960]  The police will take care of everything.
[01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:08.960]  You don't need to protect yourselves.
[01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:10.960]  We'll protect you.
[01:08:10.960 --> 01:08:12.960]  We'll take care of you.
[01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:14.960]  And it's a big lie.
[01:08:14.960 --> 01:08:23.960]  It's a big ruse to try to trick and fool people who may have been harmed as a result of a firearm accident or whatever.
[01:08:23.960 --> 01:08:26.960]  And they suck in all these bleeding hearts.
[01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:28.960]  And it's just a lie.
[01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:30.960]  It's just a ruse from beginning to ending.
[01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:33.960]  They don't care if people can defend themselves or not.
[01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:42.960]  They have one single goal in mind, which is to disarm the populace so that the government can pull whatever they want on us.
[01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:43.960]  And it's not going to matter.
[01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:51.960]  Like I said earlier, I don't think that Ashcroft would have been in such a big hurry to go basically invade the sovereign state of California
[01:08:51.960 --> 01:08:58.960]  for all practical purposes and abuse and assault their citizens,
[01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:08.960]  even though they had laws in place regulating and making this activity legal if the state of California had also passed a law similar to Montana's,
[01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:13.960]  which says you're not going to mess with our right to bear arms.
[01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:20.960]  I don't think that Ashcroft, I don't think the Feds would have been in such a big hurry to come take down these medical marijuana clinics
[01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:30.960]  if the whole state of California in general weren't so in favor of gun control because they knew that there's nothing that the law enforcement
[01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:35.960]  or that anyone else would do or could do for that matter to defend themselves.
[01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:36.960]  Well, you're right.
[01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:45.960]  But now the thing is, if you will notice, police officers do not, I repeat, do not prevent crime
[01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:52.960]  unless you're the type of criminal stupid enough to be committing the crime directly in front of them at the moment.
[01:09:52.960 --> 01:09:57.960]  Police officers are, they are not proactive.
[01:09:57.960 --> 01:09:59.960]  They are reactive.
[01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:05.960]  They have no authority to do anything until a crime has been committed.
[01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:11.960]  Therefore, it is an oxymoron statement that police officers prevent crime
[01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:18.960]  because in a constitutional republic they can't do anything until a crime has been committed.
[01:10:18.960 --> 01:10:22.960]  It's that simple.
[01:10:22.960 --> 01:10:27.960]  So it's a complete misnomer for them to tell the public that they're there for our protection
[01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:32.960]  and they will prevent harm because that's just not true.
[01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:38.960]  And it's reaching a point to where the police are more dangerous to us than the criminal.
[01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.960]  Oh, yes, they are.
[01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:49.960]  Because they presume they have the right to do anything they're doing no matter how much force or whatever is involved.
[01:10:49.960 --> 01:10:54.960]  And that's the biggest problem we have is the militarization of the police
[01:10:54.960 --> 01:11:00.960]  to where they now think they're working in Beirut instead of in the public eye.
[01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:01.960]  Precisely.
[01:11:01.960 --> 01:11:09.960]  And I've seen that coming on for several years, but here recently it's really beginning to ratchet up.
[01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.960]  I mean, let's take for instance the woman that got arrested by the police officer for not wearing her seat belt.
[01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.960]  Have you seen the videotape of that?
[01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:23.960]  You would think this woman was doing everything within her power to decapitate the cop
[01:11:23.960 --> 01:11:27.960]  the way he was manhandling her and treating her on this simple traffic stop.
[01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.960]  It was ridiculous.
[01:11:30.960 --> 01:11:36.960]  And yet they think it's A-OK for them to do that, and there shouldn't be anybody complaining or having a problem with it.
[01:11:36.960 --> 01:11:37.960]  Why?
[01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:39.960]  Because they're the police.
[01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:44.960]  They're the occupation force, and we are the indigenous population.
[01:11:44.960 --> 01:11:46.960]  Yeah.
[01:11:46.960 --> 01:11:52.960]  In the documentation I'm trying to get ready for the seminar, in the forward section I've got exactly that.
[01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:58.960]  Let's distinguish the difference between a peace officer and a law enforcement officer.
[01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:02.960]  What is the difference in these two offices?
[01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:08.960]  The peace officer's primary duty is a keeper of the peace and a protector of the people.
[01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:09.960]  That's how they see their job.
[01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:11.960]  That's how they know their job.
[01:12:11.960 --> 01:12:13.960]  That's how they treat their job.
[01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:18.960]  A law enforcement officer is a complete contradistinction to that.
[01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:25.960]  A law enforcement officer believes their only duty is to enforce every ordinance, statute,
[01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:33.960]  and situationally facilitated rule they can come up with to get their way at any moment in time.
[01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:36.960]  You're going to do what they say because they demand it.
[01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.960]  Even if they don't really have a law that backs them up, they're going to do it anyway.
[01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:49.960]  Their job is as far from public service as the Federal Reserve's is.
[01:12:49.960 --> 01:12:56.960]  So there is a distinct difference between what we had as peace officers in our nation.
[01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.960]  Now we've got a bunch of law enforcement officers,
[01:12:59.960 --> 01:13:05.960]  and they think that is all that they have to do is enforce the law no matter what it says, no matter what it does.
[01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:08.960]  Even if it violates your rights, we don't care.
[01:13:08.960 --> 01:13:10.960]  That's our mandate. Do it because it says it.
[01:13:10.960 --> 01:13:15.960]  If they actually enforced law, it wouldn't be as much of a problem as you.
[01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:22.960]  Yeah, I was going to say the problem is that they don't even know the law, and they're just, they're acting illegally themselves,
[01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:25.960]  and they're, number one, they're not enforcing law that's on the books,
[01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:29.960]  and number two, they're doing all kinds of things that break the law on top of that.
[01:13:29.960 --> 01:13:35.960]  Yes. I mean, the stupidest statement I have ever heard an officer make was on the witness stand.
[01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:42.960]  I don't have to know what the law says. I just have to enforce it.
[01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.960]  You can enforce it if you don't know what it says.
[01:13:45.960 --> 01:13:54.960]  Exactly. I mean, I could not believe that I was the only one that looked at him like, what the heck are you thinking?
[01:13:54.960 --> 01:14:00.960]  I mean, even the prosecuting attorney didn't react. It was like, yep, that's just how it's supposed to be.
[01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:05.960]  Oh, my goodness. Crazy.
[01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:08.960]  That's one word for it.
[01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:10.960]  This wasn't always this way.
[01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:12.960]  No, it wasn't.
[01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:19.960]  We need to get it changed back, and I think we may have an opportunity to get that done.
[01:14:19.960 --> 01:14:22.960]  The time is right.
[01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:23.960]  The mood is right.
[01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:25.960]  The mood is right.
[01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:27.960]  Let's go on. We've got a couple more calls.
[01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.960]  Okay, yes. We're going to go now to Julio in Texas.
[01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:35.960]  Hey, Julio, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:49.960]  Well, we went to court last, on the 28th of last month, and the judge entered a default against this guy.
[01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:53.960]  Well, we got a copy of the draft, and we compared it to what was said in court,
[01:14:53.960 --> 01:15:00.960]  and the draft rules of the court differ from our paper.
[01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:08.960]  And now the people that got that default went to another judge to have that default time.
[01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:14.960]  Isn't that a little irregular?
[01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:16.960]  Eddie, you want to address that?
[01:15:16.960 --> 01:15:19.960]  Actually, I can barely understand him.
[01:15:19.960 --> 01:15:23.960]  Yeah, Julio, are you on a Bluetooth or something or out in the boonies?
[01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:26.960]  We can't understand what you're saying very well.
[01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:34.960]  Okay, let me just start again. We went to court on the 28th of last month.
[01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:41.960]  It's a trial, an off-the-dribble of corporation denial, and from the name of the call,
[01:15:41.960 --> 01:15:44.960]  let's keep silent. We acknowledge that we keep silent.
[01:15:44.960 --> 01:15:48.960]  Wait, wait, I missed that, Julio. Say that again, that last thing.
[01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:56.960]  Okay, on the corporation denial, from the time they called our name,
[01:15:56.960 --> 01:16:00.960]  we answered with, you have a special appearance, Ali.
[01:16:00.960 --> 01:16:01.960]  Okay.
[01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:06.960]  And we got another word from our mouth.
[01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:25.960]  It's yours, written to the record, it's a corporation denial, and a copy of a case that says basically that it was people who had a contract that didn't enforce it.
[01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:28.960]  Wait, your phone is – your connection is really mad.
[01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:32.960]  Yeah, Julio, you're going to have to call back in.
[01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.960]  I can only make out bits and pieces of what you're saying.
[01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:43.960]  And Julio, if you're on a Bluetooth, call back in with the handset of your phone.
[01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:44.960]  All right.
[01:16:44.960 --> 01:16:58.960]  Okay, thank you. All right, we'll be right back. This is Rule of Law, Randy Kelton, and Deborah Stevens, ruleoflawradio.com. We'll be right back.
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[01:20:27.960 --> 01:20:28.960]  We are back.
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[01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:48.960]  We are going to go on now to Christian in Florida.
[01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:49.960]  Christian, thanks for calling in.
[01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:51.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:20:51.960 --> 01:20:52.960]  Good evening, Randy.
[01:20:52.960 --> 01:20:53.960]  Good evening, Deborah.
[01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:54.960]  How are you doing?
[01:20:54.960 --> 01:20:56.960]  Doing good.
[01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:57.960]  Hey, Randy.
[01:20:57.960 --> 01:21:05.960]  On last Thursday's show, I believe I heard you say the courts have tax ID numbers.
[01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:12.960]  And I wanted to ask you, could you give me a little, you know, how you accepted that or how you...
[01:21:12.960 --> 01:21:15.960]  Well, you can find it on Dun & Bradstreet.
[01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:22.960]  And for me, there's been a lot of question about what that actually means because people, you know,
[01:21:22.960 --> 01:21:30.960]  I get people arguing that since the court is a corporation, they can't have jurisdiction.
[01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:32.960]  And I don't understand that.
[01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:34.960]  You know, that's a legal conclusion.
[01:21:34.960 --> 01:21:40.960]  And I can't get from the legal conclusion to the facts that led them to those conclusions.
[01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.960]  Did you come to a conclusion that the courts are operating in commerce, though?
[01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:46.960]  No.
[01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:54.960]  That was the logical conclusion they came to from the fact that they were incorporated.
[01:21:54.960 --> 01:21:55.960]  Right.
[01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:59.960]  The corporation's operating on a Title 26 and liable for taxes.
[01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:05.960]  Yes, but when the judge is acting as the corporate officer, for instance,
[01:22:05.960 --> 01:22:13.960]  when he contracts for the guys to bring the smelly stuff to put in the urinals, he's a corporate officer.
[01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:19.960]  When he's hiring and firing his court employees, he's a corporate officer.
[01:22:19.960 --> 01:22:22.960]  And when he's buying office supplies, he's a corporate officer.
[01:22:22.960 --> 01:22:27.960]  But when he walks into that courtroom, he's not there in the capacity of a corporate officer.
[01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:39.960]  He's there in the capacity of a constitutional judicial official, not in a corporate capacity.
[01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:45.960]  And what I've been looking for people to do is make that connection for me.
[01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:49.960]  Show me how that judge stops being a constitutional officer
[01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:57.960]  because the court that he works in is surrounded by a corporation.
[01:22:57.960 --> 01:23:00.960]  Maybe he has a comparable office.
[01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:03.960]  Can I interject for a second, Randy?
[01:23:03.960 --> 01:23:13.960]  On that court case that I sent you to look up regarding when a judge is dealing with a statutory case,
[01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:17.960]  that his duty is always ministerial instead of judicial,
[01:23:17.960 --> 01:23:20.960]  did you manage to see whether or not that detailed out like we hoped it would?
[01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:23.960]  No, I haven't had time to go back through it.
[01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:32.960]  If that case holds correct, the basic premise of it is that whenever a court is dealing with statutory law,
[01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:38.960]  it is operating in a ministerial capacity, not in a judicial capacity.
[01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:48.960]  And that absolutely fits when you consider what the duty of the judge is.
[01:23:48.960 --> 01:23:49.960]  Correct.
[01:23:49.960 --> 01:24:00.960]  A trial judge's duty is to apply the standing law to the facts developed in the case.
[01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:03.960]  That's ministerial.
[01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:13.960]  So if he has a clearly defined statute that has more or less clearly defined case law behind it,
[01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:20.960]  he must take that statute and that case law and apply it to the facts.
[01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:24.960]  So that leaves him with no great amount of discretion.
[01:24:24.960 --> 01:24:32.960]  The only discretion he would have is in the application to the facts.
[01:24:32.960 --> 01:24:41.960]  And even then, the case law holds that if he improperly applies the law to the facts, he abuses his discretion.
[01:24:41.960 --> 01:24:49.960]  So it would seem to fit that the judge shouldn't have any immunity
[01:24:49.960 --> 01:24:54.960]  because for a ministerial decision, he has no immunity if he's got its ministerial duty.
[01:24:54.960 --> 01:25:02.960]  The reason I brought that case up to you is because of the other ones that I have that talks about along those same lines,
[01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:04.960]  which will come back to me in a minute.
[01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:10.960]  But in particular, he has no immunity in a ministerial capacity versus judicial capacity
[01:25:10.960 --> 01:25:15.960]  because the other Supreme Court cases I looked at to go along with that simply state
[01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:21.960]  that statutory law does not apply to the people directly
[01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:27.960]  because statutory law is the law that is created for the administrative purposes over the government itself.
[01:25:27.960 --> 01:25:35.960]  It's just like what the Supreme Court recently ruled on or not recently but a long time ago ruled regarding the Constitution.
[01:25:35.960 --> 01:25:41.960]  The Constitution was not written in its entirety for all levels of government.
[01:25:41.960 --> 01:25:45.960]  It was written for the federal government.
[01:25:45.960 --> 01:25:52.960]  The Bill of Rights is not necessarily applicable in each and every instance to the individual states.
[01:25:52.960 --> 01:25:58.960]  It was written as a bill of rights for the people's protection against the federal government.
[01:25:58.960 --> 01:26:03.960]  Most states have a people's bill of rights within their own state constitution.
[01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:10.960]  So it just makes sense that when the administrative rules are put on the books, the people are not part of the administration.
[01:26:10.960 --> 01:26:19.960]  Therefore, those rules are not meant to apply to them any more than the federal constitution is to the state in every single case.
[01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:26.960]  Well, that's what brought up a question in my mind is that not all statutes
[01:26:26.960 --> 01:26:34.960]  are specifically directed toward the governance of public officials and public affairs.
[01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:44.960]  We do have statutes that are very clearly intended to govern the behavior of the citizen.
[01:26:44.960 --> 01:26:48.960]  The citizen or the person?
[01:26:48.960 --> 01:26:50.960]  Good question.
[01:26:50.960 --> 01:26:59.960]  If they're talking about the person, then it is to regulate the behavior of a state-created entity known as a corporation, still not the people in general.
[01:26:59.960 --> 01:27:14.960]  If that corporation is the alter ego of the man on the land, then it by association applies to the man on the land.
[01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:24.960]  If the man on the land is committing an act in his capacity as a corporate entity, the statute is designed to regulate his behavior.
[01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:33.960]  Correct. But that would mean the man upon the land has to have that incorporated entity to which he has control
[01:27:33.960 --> 01:27:39.960]  and is therefore what they call a responsible individual for that entity.
[01:27:39.960 --> 01:27:53.960]  Well, if the man on the land is operating a motor vehicle, is he operating the motor vehicle as a corporate entity or a man on the land?
[01:27:53.960 --> 01:27:58.960]  In the case of a motor vehicle, is he licensed as an operator for a motor vehicle?
[01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:09.960]  If he is licensed as an operator for a motor vehicle, is he the man on the land or the corporate entity?
[01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.960]  To what use is the vehicle being placed?
[01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.960]  Commercial.
[01:28:13.960 --> 01:28:19.960]  Then yes, he is operating as the commercial entity under the acceptance of their rules in the form of that license.
[01:28:19.960 --> 01:28:21.960]  That would just be logical.
[01:28:21.960 --> 01:28:25.960]  That's where we get the individual in those definitions from.
[01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:42.960]  Then how do we separate the corporate individual from the man on the land when the man on the land empowers the corporate individual like wearing a suit.
[01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:48.960]  The suit only moves as the man on the land moves underneath the suit.
[01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:51.960]  Let's take a for instance in that.
[01:28:51.960 --> 01:29:01.960]  If the CEO of a corporation goes out and robs a 7-Eleven for kicks, is the corporation responsible for his behavior?
[01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:02.960]  There's a term for that.
[01:29:02.960 --> 01:29:26.960]  It's not really an appropriate analogy because when the CEO steps outside the corporate structure, the corporation is no longer responsible for what he's doing and he's no longer leading the corporation.
[01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:28.960]  Then he wouldn't be an alter ego.
[01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:33.960]  And he's not responsible under the corporation rules for what he did outside of that capacity.
[01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:43.960]  But if he's doing that in the capacity of the CEO, then the corporation is responsible and he's responsible.
[01:29:43.960 --> 01:29:46.960]  All right, listen, we're going to break, guys.
[01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:49.960]  And we also have some other callers on the line as well.
[01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:51.960]  We'll continue this on the other side.
[01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:52.960]  I'll hold.
[01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:53.960]  All right.
[01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:54.960]  Thank you, Christian.
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[01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:26.960]  All right, we are back discussing the straw man and we're speaking with Christian in Florida right now.
[01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:30.960]  We've also got Rick from California and Steve from Florida on the line.
[01:31:30.960 --> 01:31:33.960]  So Christian has held over.
[01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:36.960]  Please continue, Eddie.
[01:31:36.960 --> 01:31:47.960]  We were discussing, this is something that I've wanted to get a good understanding of the separations.
[01:31:47.960 --> 01:31:58.960]  I have people saying, well, I can go out and do these things and I can't be held responsible because it was the straw man that did it.
[01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:11.960]  How do we clearly separate the man on the land from the straw man suit that the man on the land wears on occasion?
[01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:12.960]  Eddie?
[01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:21.960]  Well, from the observations I've made and what I've studied on it, we kind of have to go to the same way that they look at a motor vehicle.
[01:32:21.960 --> 01:32:31.960]  In almost every case I've researched under law, a motor vehicle according to the courts is to be determined by the jury.
[01:32:31.960 --> 01:32:36.960]  Whether or not the vehicle you're in is serving a certain capacity is a question for the jury
[01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:44.960]  because it is the use to which that vehicle is being put that places it in the motor vehicle category.
[01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:47.960]  And of course that use is commercial activity.
[01:32:47.960 --> 01:32:50.960]  Same thing would have to apply to the person.
[01:32:50.960 --> 01:32:59.960]  If the person, the capacity in which they are serving or being used at that point goes toward the commercial side,
[01:32:59.960 --> 01:33:05.960]  then of course you're acting within that corporal capacity of the straw man.
[01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:14.960]  If, however, you're acting outside of that corporal capacity and you're acting strictly upon your own natural God-given rights
[01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:22.960]  and you're exercising them in a manner that is not meant to intercede with that straw man persona,
[01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.960]  then you would have to be considered separated.
[01:33:25.960 --> 01:33:31.960]  Again, it's the use to which you're applying that persona that would determine which category you're under at any given time.
[01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:37.960]  It's not always easy to separate, but it's distinctly possible.
[01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:41.960]  All right. And guys, listen, just quickly, Christian, I want you to hang on the line.
[01:33:41.960 --> 01:33:47.960]  I want to bring up Steve real quick because my call screener just informed me that he's on a very short break from work
[01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:51.960]  and just wants to ask a quick question and then we'll get back to the topic at hand.
[01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:53.960]  Okay.
[01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:57.960]  Steve, thanks for holding and thanks for calling in on your break at work.
[01:33:57.960 --> 01:34:02.960]  What is your question or comment so we can let you go and get back to your break?
[01:34:02.960 --> 01:34:04.960]  I appreciate that, Deb.
[01:34:04.960 --> 01:34:05.960]  Deborah, I'm sorry.
[01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:06.960]  It's okay.
[01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:07.960]  Go ahead.
[01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:08.960]  Okay.
[01:34:08.960 --> 01:34:10.960]  What I wanted to get to is the definition of motor vehicle.
[01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:16.960]  From the research I've done, motor vehicle, motor, the definition in additionary means it has to be electric.
[01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.960]  We have engines in our automobiles.
[01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:24.960]  I was reading through a New York 1955 traffic handbook thing,
[01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.960]  and it stated there, Gabe, the definition of motor vehicle being like the trolleys and all these kind of things,
[01:34:28.960 --> 01:34:31.960]  and therefore the guy had to have a license in order to operate this thing.
[01:34:31.960 --> 01:34:33.960]  Now, we ride in automobiles.
[01:34:33.960 --> 01:34:34.960]  We don't drive.
[01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:38.960]  The little words like that kind of came to my attention when I was listening to Mr. Craig talking earlier
[01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:40.960]  because he's right on the money.
[01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:44.960]  But the motor vehicle definition kind of got my gusto there, you might say.
[01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.960]  Yeah. Well, the actual definition will vary from state to state.
[01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:57.960]  For instance, here in Texas, motor vehicle is basically any self-propelled vehicle with two or more wheels that does not travel upon rails or wires.
[01:34:57.960 --> 01:34:58.960]  Right.
[01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:06.960]  But the courts in Texas have also said exactly what I was stating, that whether or not that is a motor vehicle is a jury question
[01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:16.960]  because the use determines its capacity, not its method of propulsion or its mechanical design.
[01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:19.960]  So each state has its own varied definitions.
[01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:24.960]  In Texas, there are many different definitions for the term motor vehicle.
[01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:28.960]  But when you go through the Texas Administrative Code and the actual Transportation Code,
[01:35:28.960 --> 01:35:35.960]  you will find many references that pulls those definitions in from Title 49 of the United States Code.
[01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:45.960]  So they are drawing upon the Federal Motor Carrier Act for the transportation codes within the individual states 95% of the time.
[01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:49.960]  Do they relate to any of those to the automobile or road machine?
[01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:51.960]  Some do, some don't.
[01:35:51.960 --> 01:35:52.960]  Okay.
[01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:59.960]  But when you take that they are, like for instance, there are specific statutes in Washington State and in California
[01:35:59.960 --> 01:36:05.960]  that both specifically state that an automobile is not to be considered a motor vehicle.
[01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:06.960]  That's where I was coming from.
[01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:08.960]  Like they are in the statute.
[01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:09.960]  That's what I was understanding.
[01:36:09.960 --> 01:36:11.960]  That's why I was kind of, you kept using the word motor vehicle.
[01:36:11.960 --> 01:36:14.960]  I was like, well, maybe that's a problem, using that word, you know.
[01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:16.960]  Well, that's what I'm saying.
[01:36:16.960 --> 01:36:18.960]  I've said this many times on the show.
[01:36:18.960 --> 01:36:21.960]  Terminology is everything.
[01:36:21.960 --> 01:36:22.960]  Learn the terms.
[01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:29.960]  Do not assume you know what they mean because you will be incorrect most of the time.
[01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:31.960]  It doesn't matter what it is.
[01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:37.960]  You research it thoroughly for every term whether you believe you know what it means or not.
[01:36:37.960 --> 01:36:41.960]  I was reading a document by Harmon Taylor.
[01:36:41.960 --> 01:36:47.960]  Harmon Taylor is one of the deepest thinkers and writers I've ever come across.
[01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:59.960]  In this particular document he was addressing the application of the traffic laws.
[01:36:59.960 --> 01:37:02.960]  I talked to him after reading the document and mentioned about it.
[01:37:02.960 --> 01:37:15.960]  And he said when an officer gets on the stand and testified that he observed the defendant driving an automobile in excess of the posted speed limits,
[01:37:15.960 --> 01:37:20.960]  objection calls for a conclusion.
[01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:24.960]  And it took me a while to understand what he was getting at.
[01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:37.960]  He observed the individual driving an automobile by calling it an automobile that was a conclusion on the part of the officer that the person was in commerce.
[01:37:37.960 --> 01:37:44.960]  Oh, he said it calls for a conclusion and assumes facts not in evidence.
[01:37:44.960 --> 01:37:47.960]  Yeah, observed driving a motor vehicle.
[01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:57.960]  So he presupposed, he presumed the person was in commerce without entering evidence to show that he was in commerce.
[01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:03.960]  So the officer is testifying to a conclusion rather than a fact.
[01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:21.960]  And on top of that, since the officer has signed a sworn statement to that effect, he has committed aggravated perjury because he has made at least three presumptions of fact that he does not have firsthand knowledge of, yet he has sworn that he does.
[01:38:21.960 --> 01:38:29.960]  He usually swears that one, you are a person, two, that you are operating, and three, that you were in a motor vehicle.
[01:38:29.960 --> 01:38:38.960]  Those are, those three things are common in almost every single type of traffic citation issued in any state.
[01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:52.960]  If you can lock horns with the definitions and declarations made by those three statements, you can unravel most of your transportation or motor vehicle codes to your own conclusion to determine that they're using them incorrectly.
[01:38:52.960 --> 01:39:02.960]  They're making blanket applications to everybody when in fact they belong only to the commercial entity called person.
[01:39:02.960 --> 01:39:05.960]  Good. This is when we get the seminar going.
[01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:08.960]  This is going to be a real important part of it.
[01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:15.960]  In fact, I've got three tickets I need to adjudicate and I really want to get this down.
[01:39:15.960 --> 01:39:20.960]  So we need to get a seminar done soon so I can go to it.
[01:39:20.960 --> 01:39:23.960]  Okay, Steve, do you have any other questions?
[01:39:23.960 --> 01:39:26.960]  Yeah, I have a little statement I'd like to make to Mr. Craig.
[01:39:26.960 --> 01:39:29.960]  The work he's done on the motor vehicle code is right on the money.
[01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:40.960]  And number two, if you apply that to the property taxes on private dwellings, permanent residence of the state, which is exempt from all taxation thereon according to your state constitution, you'll find out that the same codes apply there.
[01:39:40.960 --> 01:39:42.960]  That's absolutely correct.
[01:39:42.960 --> 01:39:56.960]  That's the key because we're only going to get our salary back until we have total control of our property, man. We've got to get these clowns away from our homes, man, and quit stealing them with this fraudulent administrative crap that does not apply to us in the place we eat, sleep, and do all these other things that make no commercial money at.
[01:39:56.960 --> 01:39:59.960]  We have to become the belligerent litigant.
[01:39:59.960 --> 01:40:01.960]  Very good. Thank you, Mr. Kelley.
[01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:02.960]  Appreciate it, Deb.
[01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:04.960]  Deborah, I appreciate you just sliding me in here real quick.
[01:40:04.960 --> 01:40:05.960]  Oh, sure.
[01:40:05.960 --> 01:40:06.960]  No problem.
[01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:07.960]  Okay.
[01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:08.960]  All right.
[01:40:08.960 --> 01:40:13.960]  Well, we'll go back to Christian now since we kind of preempted his call.
[01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:14.960]  Right.
[01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:20.960]  I had a comment that we're talking about the separation of the straw man from the real man.
[01:40:20.960 --> 01:40:28.960]  In a commercial realm, we tend to do that by setting up evidence, creating a record so we have that evidence we can present in court or out of court.
[01:40:28.960 --> 01:40:38.960]  And we do that by setting up like a record of domicile versus instead of residents.
[01:40:38.960 --> 01:40:40.960]  And we have a corporate denial.
[01:40:40.960 --> 01:40:53.960]  And then we file these on UCC-1 statements and create records, pull out certified copies from the county recorder, and we have different certified copies standing as records or evidence.
[01:40:53.960 --> 01:40:59.960]  Yeah, I do the same thing in everything that I do when it comes to having to go to court on any of this.
[01:40:59.960 --> 01:41:13.960]  And for those that missed it, I believe I have successfully tied the Texas Business and Commerce Code, the UCC, directly into vehicle registration in Chapter 501 of the Transportation Code.
[01:41:13.960 --> 01:41:27.960]  Chapter 501.005 specifically states that if there is a conflict within Chapter 501 regarding definitions or applications, then the Business and Commerce Code takes precedent.
[01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:47.960]  So when you start going through that and you start looking up what a certificate of title is within the chapters of the Business and Commerce Code, then you start to see that it is a lien instrument that is used to denote commercial activity upon the purchase, sale, or use of a motor vehicle.
[01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:58.960]  Yes. How would you separate the motor vehicle if it was already registered in the county or the state so that it would be operating in commerce?
[01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:03.960]  What I did with mine was I took all the plates, stickers, everything off of it.
[01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:19.960]  I mailed them back to, in this case, my car was originally owned by a lady from Louisiana instead of Texas, but I took the plates and scraped everything off of it, mailed the plates back to the Louisiana Department of Motor Vehicles stating that this car was no longer to be considered commercial.
[01:42:19.960 --> 01:42:23.960]  It was now privately owned for private use only.
[01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:32.960]  I sent a letter to the Texas Department of Public Safety and to our Department of Motor Vehicles stating exactly the same thing.
[01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:48.960]  I got an affidavit from several of my friends all signed stating that on this date at this time, Eddie Craig has removed any and all state designation of any kind from this privately owned automobile, and I have that on file.
[01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:58.960]  So once the officer gets on the stand and says that I am operating a motor vehicle, he has committed perjury under oath for the second time.
[01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:05.960]  Do you think people are able to defend that if they still have their vehicle registered into the state?
[01:43:05.960 --> 01:43:11.960]  Well, again, what the courts say is whether or not it's a motor vehicle is dependent upon its use.
[01:43:11.960 --> 01:43:26.960]  If it is being driven, even though it's got the tags and everything on it, if the state or the Supreme Court keeps it in that context, then it's only required that you have all this on it and you have a license for it if you are using it for commerce.
[01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:30.960]  So you'd have to prove that your use was not?
[01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:32.960]  No, they have to prove that your use was.
[01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:37.960]  Yes. You don't have to prove anything. You have to make them prove everything.
[01:43:37.960 --> 01:43:38.960]  Exactly.
[01:43:38.960 --> 01:43:45.960]  Now, the key to this is, remember, in Texas, they are attempting to charge you with a crime.
[01:43:45.960 --> 01:43:57.960]  Yes, exactly. Now, hold on. Hold on, Eddie. Hold that thought because we're going to break. We'll be right back. We've also got Rick, Jim, and Dave on the line. We'll be right back.
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[01:45:28.960 --> 01:45:45.960]  Okay, we are back. We're going to police the policeman. We're going to bully the bully. We're tired of it. And we're speaking with Christian in Florida right now. We've also got Rick, Jim, and Dave. We're going to take your calls during this segment, so just sit tight.
[01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:57.960]  And Eddie, you were saying that the whole deal is that they're charging people with a crime in the state of Texas. The traffic code is not on the civil side. So go ahead, Eddie.
[01:45:57.960 --> 01:46:06.960]  Yes. Since the criteria is criminal, then they have the same burden of proof as they would in a murder trial beyond a reasonable doubt.
[01:46:06.960 --> 01:46:16.960]  You get the people on that jury considering the reasonable doubt of what this cop is trying to testify to, and they can't convict you, not with a reasonable doubt.
[01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:29.960]  But the simple fact is that's what they're doing. You just need to formulate the right questions to get the cop to admit that he is making guesses, not educated statements of fact.
[01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:39.960]  Well, we need to learn how to make the right objections when he's stating as a fact something that is a conclusion.
[01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:44.960]  Most direct one. Objection assumes facts, not an evidence.
[01:46:44.960 --> 01:46:45.960]  Precisely.
[01:46:45.960 --> 01:46:53.960]  And when they say what, he can produce no evidence that I was operating a motor vehicle.
[01:46:53.960 --> 01:46:59.960]  And the reason that's missed is because, for the most part, the public doesn't understand that there is a difference.
[01:46:59.960 --> 01:47:08.960]  The policeman himself as well may not understand that he's presenting a conclusion to the court rather than a fact.
[01:47:08.960 --> 01:47:13.960]  We need to move along. We've got a whole board of callers.
[01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:16.960]  I have a show on Saturday. It's a two-hour show.
[01:47:16.960 --> 01:47:24.960]  And I was wondering, would you be willing to be a guest for, say, like an hour sometime on another evil rival network?
[01:47:24.960 --> 01:47:25.960]  Evil rival?
[01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:27.960]  Yes, as a matter of fact, we probably would.
[01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:29.960]  Yes, send us an email, Christian.
[01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:31.960]  Or Eddie.
[01:47:31.960 --> 01:47:37.960]  Yeah, I'm game if I'm the one he's talking to.
[01:47:37.960 --> 01:47:39.960]  Yeah, I'd like to go over the motor vehicle thing.
[01:47:39.960 --> 01:47:44.960]  So if you wanted to, we could get together and talk about it.
[01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:45.960]  Sure, that'd be fine.
[01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:47.960]  No, I feel like top liver.
[01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:50.960]  Just send us an email, Christian, and I'll forward it to Eddie.
[01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:51.960]  All right.
[01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:52.960]  All right.
[01:47:52.960 --> 01:47:55.960]  My number's on the screen there. Why don't you just give it to him?
[01:47:55.960 --> 01:47:57.960]  Because I'd have to write it down right now.
[01:47:57.960 --> 01:47:58.960]  I got it.
[01:47:58.960 --> 01:48:02.960]  Just send us a – yeah, and I'll look it up in the system. It's no big deal.
[01:48:02.960 --> 01:48:08.960]  But probably the best way is to just send an email, and then I'll forward it to him real quickly.
[01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:11.960]  That way we won't have to make a whole bunch of phone calls.
[01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:12.960]  I got his number.
[01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.960]  I'll read it out on the air, everybody calling 10 times a day.
[01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:16.960]  All right.
[01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:18.960]  Well, like I said, I have it in the system anyway.
[01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:20.960]  You know, it wouldn't be a big deal to look it up.
[01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:21.960]  But yeah, email would be the best.
[01:48:21.960 --> 01:48:22.960]  All right.
[01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:25.960]  Randy, did you get your litigation engine together yet?
[01:48:25.960 --> 01:48:26.960]  Not completed yet.
[01:48:26.960 --> 01:48:29.960]  We're still – we're putting the documentation together.
[01:48:29.960 --> 01:48:30.960]  Okay.
[01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:31.960]  All right.
[01:48:31.960 --> 01:48:32.960]  Well, thanks, gang.
[01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:35.960]  Okay, thank you, Christian.
[01:48:35.960 --> 01:48:38.960]  Okay, we're going to go now to Rick in California.
[01:48:38.960 --> 01:48:39.960]  Yes.
[01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:40.960]  Thanks for calling in.
[01:48:40.960 --> 01:48:42.960]  Rick, what's on your mind?
[01:48:42.960 --> 01:48:43.960]  How's it going, guys?
[01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:44.960]  Thanks for taking my call.
[01:48:44.960 --> 01:48:46.960]  I just thought of one quick thing about the straw man.
[01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:50.960]  I wanted to ask one question, and then give a reason why.
[01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:54.960]  I want to know how Sam Davis' thing is going along.
[01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:59.960]  And the reason why is because certain things he had said in your previous shows,
[01:48:59.960 --> 01:49:04.960]  I observed when I went to court that I had recorded and I put on my YouTube,
[01:49:04.960 --> 01:49:08.960]  he called for a Mr. Ricardo, and I never stood up,
[01:49:08.960 --> 01:49:12.960]  and then he was looking at the screen just like Sam Davis said
[01:49:12.960 --> 01:49:14.960]  that they were doing with other cases.
[01:49:14.960 --> 01:49:16.960]  They would look at the screen.
[01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:19.960]  And when I went up after in the end, you know,
[01:49:19.960 --> 01:49:22.960]  this judge was talking about that I guess, you know,
[01:49:22.960 --> 01:49:28.960]  it went from a prime to a contract because he stated that the contract was me
[01:49:28.960 --> 01:49:30.960]  signing the driver's license.
[01:49:30.960 --> 01:49:32.960]  So there are certain things that I caught the judge doing,
[01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:37.960]  and it was really interesting, especially when I stated that I was not a corporation
[01:49:37.960 --> 01:49:38.960]  and that it was not me.
[01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:41.960]  And in the end, they changed my name three times already,
[01:49:41.960 --> 01:49:43.960]  so that's interesting as well.
[01:49:43.960 --> 01:49:45.960]  That would go to abatement.
[01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:46.960]  Yeah.
[01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:49.960]  So I was wondering if you guys knew anything about Sam Davis,
[01:49:49.960 --> 01:49:50.960]  how was that going along?
[01:49:50.960 --> 01:49:53.960]  The last I heard wasn't direct.
[01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:59.960]  It was indirect, but the court has thrown out all his pleadings.
[01:49:59.960 --> 01:50:03.960]  So apparently it's not going well for Davis.
[01:50:03.960 --> 01:50:05.960]  I'm not sure.
[01:50:05.960 --> 01:50:07.960]  Just let me say I really don't know.
[01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:09.960]  I'll have to check into that.
[01:50:09.960 --> 01:50:10.960]  Okay.
[01:50:10.960 --> 01:50:11.960]  I talked to Tony Davis,
[01:50:11.960 --> 01:50:17.960]  and he's working with someone who was in Sam Davis' group.
[01:50:17.960 --> 01:50:26.960]  She's a forensic, I forget, but she is a tax specialist,
[01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.960]  and apparently it's very good, and she was giving him some information,
[01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:32.960]  but it wasn't definitive, so I really don't know.
[01:50:32.960 --> 01:50:34.960]  It's not going as great.
[01:50:34.960 --> 01:50:42.960]  I'm concerned for him because he's claimed this thing of ratification of commencement.
[01:50:42.960 --> 01:50:44.960]  He's asked for that, and then he's done nothing else.
[01:50:44.960 --> 01:50:47.960]  Well, he may be waiving a lot of defenses by doing that,
[01:50:47.960 --> 01:50:50.960]  so he could be digging himself a deep hole.
[01:50:50.960 --> 01:50:51.960]  Right.
[01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:52.960]  Okay.
[01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.960]  Well, I hope you guys know that.
[01:50:55.960 --> 01:50:57.960]  I appreciate what you guys are doing here,
[01:50:57.960 --> 01:51:00.960]  and I want to thank you guys for having me on the air.
[01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:01.960]  Oh, thank you, Rick.
[01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:03.960]  We really appreciate that.
[01:51:03.960 --> 01:51:09.960]  And let me just add here, if you go into court
[01:51:09.960 --> 01:51:12.960]  and you challenge the jurisdiction of the court,
[01:51:12.960 --> 01:51:18.960]  you go to the court at arm's length, and the court moves ahead,
[01:51:18.960 --> 01:51:20.960]  register your objection,
[01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:25.960]  ask the record to reflect your exception to the rulings of the court,
[01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:29.960]  and continue to defend yourself.
[01:51:29.960 --> 01:51:34.960]  Don't let them railroad you while you stand there mute.
[01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:35.960]  Right.
[01:51:35.960 --> 01:51:41.960]  It gives you a much harder fight down the road.
[01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:43.960]  This is what Sam seems to be doing,
[01:51:43.960 --> 01:51:52.960]  and if the court gets a ruling passed his challenge to jurisdiction,
[01:51:52.960 --> 01:51:59.960]  then all of these other things that he stood by and let proceed,
[01:51:59.960 --> 01:52:01.960]  he defaults on.
[01:52:01.960 --> 01:52:02.960]  Yeah.
[01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:04.960]  So let's not default ourselves to that.
[01:52:04.960 --> 01:52:05.960]  Yes.
[01:52:05.960 --> 01:52:06.960]  No, I don't.
[01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:09.960]  I always do a count of things to the judge and the city,
[01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:11.960]  and on top of that, I always say that I will be doing so
[01:52:11.960 --> 01:52:13.960]  under duress for the record all the time.
[01:52:13.960 --> 01:52:14.960]  But thank you very much.
[01:52:14.960 --> 01:52:15.960]  I appreciate it.
[01:52:15.960 --> 01:52:16.960]  All right.
[01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:17.960]  Thank you, Rick.
[01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:18.960]  Okay, we've got two more callers on the line.
[01:52:18.960 --> 01:52:20.960]  We've got Jim in Texas, Dave in Texas.
[01:52:20.960 --> 01:52:22.960]  We've only got about five minutes left,
[01:52:22.960 --> 01:52:25.960]  so let's try to be considerate of each other.
[01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:26.960]  Jim, thanks for calling in.
[01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:28.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:31.960]  Yeah, I was just back to what you guys were talking about,
[01:52:31.960 --> 01:52:34.960]  how the strong man works and everything.
[01:52:34.960 --> 01:52:38.960]  I mean, I don't have anything to back it,
[01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:42.960]  but to me it seems everything goes to a different capacity.
[01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:45.960]  I mean, each one of us has a lot of different capacities
[01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:47.960]  that we can act in,
[01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:50.960]  just like a judge has a different capacity when he's at home
[01:52:50.960 --> 01:52:54.960]  or when he's making something to do with the office
[01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:56.960]  or when he's in the court.
[01:52:56.960 --> 01:52:58.960]  I mean...
[01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:00.960]  You sound like Harmon Taylor right now.
[01:53:00.960 --> 01:53:04.960]  Well, I've heard Harmon quite a bit,
[01:53:04.960 --> 01:53:08.960]  but I mean, I've always thought that we all have our different capacities
[01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:13.960]  and it's what we're doing at the time or how we're acting or, you know...
[01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:18.960]  Yes, and that's precisely why I was asking those questions,
[01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:24.960]  so that it's not enough just to talk about the strong man
[01:53:24.960 --> 01:53:26.960]  and how they're different.
[01:53:26.960 --> 01:53:30.960]  We need to be able to intuitively understand it
[01:53:30.960 --> 01:53:33.960]  so that when we're moving through these different capacities,
[01:53:33.960 --> 01:53:35.960]  we know where we are,
[01:53:35.960 --> 01:53:38.960]  and I really need to get Joe Edwards back up
[01:53:38.960 --> 01:53:42.960]  because of all the people who seem to understand
[01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:47.960]  that position and capacity, he did.
[01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:51.960]  Well, I know I have read cases that talked about capacity,
[01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:58.960]  that, you know, where a judge would state the capacity that you were there in,
[01:53:58.960 --> 01:54:03.960]  especially when you're reading trust cases and stuff like that.
[01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:06.960]  So, I mean, whether it's the trust or not,
[01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:08.960]  there is definite different capacities,
[01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:11.960]  and I think that's something that we all need to understand.
[01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:14.960]  And I completely agree with that,
[01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:19.960]  and the thing about it is, though, is when you're acting in a particular capacity,
[01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:22.960]  it's who's on the other side of that interaction
[01:54:22.960 --> 01:54:26.960]  that is the biggest denominator as to where you're standing.
[01:54:26.960 --> 01:54:27.960]  True.
[01:54:27.960 --> 01:54:30.960]  If you're interacting in a corporate environment,
[01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:33.960]  if the person you're engaging is a corporation
[01:54:33.960 --> 01:54:35.960]  because you're trying to cut a business deal with them,
[01:54:35.960 --> 01:54:38.960]  everything you're going through is completely different than it would be
[01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.960]  if you're dealing with your neighbor across your backyard fence.
[01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:46.960]  Right, and I think that goes to just like what you said, standing.
[01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:49.960]  Your standing in court is a different capacity.
[01:54:49.960 --> 01:54:54.960]  Whether you have the capacity to address the things or whether you have standing,
[01:54:54.960 --> 01:55:01.960]  it's real similar, and I mean, I would like to find out more,
[01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:03.960]  and I'll do research on my own,
[01:55:03.960 --> 01:55:10.960]  but whatever we can find out as a group, I would love to be able to be a part of.
[01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:13.960]  Send us your research.
[01:55:13.960 --> 01:55:14.960]  Okay.
[01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:15.960]  I will do it.
[01:55:15.960 --> 01:55:16.960]  Yes, send us your research, Jim.
[01:55:16.960 --> 01:55:17.960]  All right.
[01:55:17.960 --> 01:55:19.960]  Take care, Randy, and everybody.
[01:55:19.960 --> 01:55:20.960]  Thank you.
[01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:22.960]  Okay, we're going now to our final caller.
[01:55:22.960 --> 01:55:25.960]  We've got Dave from Texas.
[01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:26.960]  Dave, thank you for calling in.
[01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:28.960]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:55:28.960 --> 01:55:30.960]  Yes, howdy.
[01:55:30.960 --> 01:55:31.960]  Howdy.
[01:55:31.960 --> 01:55:34.960]  Quick question, I believe.
[01:55:34.960 --> 01:55:41.960]  Randy, one, are you compiling a list for this information
[01:55:41.960 --> 01:55:45.960]  that you're compiling to present to us?
[01:55:45.960 --> 01:55:50.960]  Yes, we're putting together a seminar for traffic,
[01:55:50.960 --> 01:55:54.960]  and when I talk about this litigation engine,
[01:55:54.960 --> 01:56:00.960]  what I'm trying to do is build a model.
[01:56:00.960 --> 01:56:04.960]  Right, that can apply to whatever situation.
[01:56:04.960 --> 01:56:11.960]  Yes, essentially a criminal model, and everything is in there,
[01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:18.960]  and as we move down through it, it will ask us questions, we'll put in answers,
[01:56:18.960 --> 01:56:22.960]  and based on the answer we get, it will say,
[01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:27.960]  well, you need a Frank's hearing, or you need this kind of hearing,
[01:56:27.960 --> 01:56:29.960]  or you need to follow this motion.
[01:56:29.960 --> 01:56:33.960]  Yes, and actually I've already done extensive work on the logic structure
[01:56:33.960 --> 01:56:37.960]  and how everything is going to be set up for the program to be programmed,
[01:56:37.960 --> 01:56:44.960]  and as soon as Randy gets the text ready, it will pretty much be ready to go,
[01:56:44.960 --> 01:56:49.960]  and that will be the prototype to be used to create litigation engines
[01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:51.960]  for other areas of law.
[01:56:51.960 --> 01:56:53.960]  So I've already got a lot of it done already.
[01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:57.960]  I'm just waiting on certain text fields from Randy.
[01:56:57.960 --> 01:56:59.960]  Will we pick it up here just by listening,
[01:56:59.960 --> 01:57:07.960]  or can we get on a list to get, say, a flow chart of that particular...
[01:57:07.960 --> 01:57:13.960]  Well, it's actually going to be an interactive program on the website
[01:57:13.960 --> 01:57:20.960]  that people would log into, and you would interact with it on a web page.
[01:57:20.960 --> 01:57:23.960]  Okay, I have a second question.
[01:57:23.960 --> 01:57:33.960]  Assuming that you are a child of God, a state citizen, natural man,
[01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:43.960]  and you have filed the proper papers with the powers that be in the county where you live or reside,
[01:57:43.960 --> 01:57:52.960]  assuming that that's Texas and the Constitution you file, for example...
[01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:54.960]  Quickly, we only got a minute.
[01:57:54.960 --> 01:57:56.960]  Yeah, we have like 60 seconds left.
[01:57:56.960 --> 01:58:04.960] ...that if you were in business and had a home in the same county, you had a urban business homestead
[01:58:04.960 --> 01:58:08.960]  and a homestead for your home.
[01:58:08.960 --> 01:58:12.960]  Now they changed the law so that you can only have one or the other,
[01:58:12.960 --> 01:58:14.960]  or they have to be together.
[01:58:14.960 --> 01:58:19.960]  Do you lose the right that you once established is my basic question.
[01:58:19.960 --> 01:58:21.960]  Are you asking if your grandfather...
[01:58:21.960 --> 01:58:24.960]  Do you ever lose that right?
[01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:25.960]  Yes.
[01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:28.960]  If it's a statutory right, yes, you can.
[01:58:28.960 --> 01:58:31.960]  If it's statutory first...
[01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:32.960]  All right, listen, listen.
[01:58:32.960 --> 01:58:33.960]  I'm sorry.
[01:58:33.960 --> 01:58:34.960]  We've got...
[01:58:34.960 --> 01:58:36.960]  Literally, they're going to cut us off in about 10 seconds.
[01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:38.960]  We need to talk about this some more on Thursday.
[01:58:38.960 --> 01:58:41.960]  Why don't you call in right at the beginning of the show on Thursday, Dave,
[01:58:41.960 --> 01:58:45.960]  and we'll talk more about these homestead exemptions.
[01:58:45.960 --> 01:58:47.960]  All right, we'll be back Thursday.
[01:58:47.960 --> 01:58:55.960]  We're going to talk a little bit about the law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[01:58:55.960 --> 01:59:18.960]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my sides, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:18.960 --> 01:59:26.960]  If you are a Chucky, Chucky, come out a Chucky from me.
[01:59:26.960 --> 01:59:33.960]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my sides, I'm dangerous, I'm dangerous.
[01:59:33.960 --> 01:59:40.960]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my sides, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:40.960 --> 01:59:52.960]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my sides, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:54.960]  I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my sides, I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:54.960 --> 01:59:56.960]  Thanks for watching!