[00:00.000 --> 00:04.840]  This news brief brought to you by the International News Net.
[00:04.840 --> 00:10.880]  Barack Obama said Wednesday he assumes Osama bin Laden is still alive, despite remarks
[00:10.880 --> 00:15.040]  to the contrary by Pakistan's intelligence service.
[00:15.040 --> 00:19.760]  Obama defended his decision to send thousands more troops to Afghanistan over the objections
[00:19.760 --> 00:22.200]  of fellow Democrats.
[00:22.200 --> 00:27.680]  Attorney General Eric Holder said Wednesday about 30 detainees currently held at Guantanamo
[00:27.680 --> 00:29.960]  have been cleared for release.
[00:29.960 --> 00:35.560]  Holder said the U.S. is weeks away from asking certain countries to take detainees.
[00:35.560 --> 00:40.240]  Holder said that the Obama administration might cooperate with a Spanish investigation
[00:40.240 --> 00:45.200]  of former Bush administration officials over the treatment of terror suspects.
[00:45.200 --> 00:50.320]  Barack Obama rejected former Vice President Dick Cheney's defense of waterboarding.
[00:50.320 --> 00:55.040]  At a White House press conference marking his first 100 days in office, Obama said,
[00:55.040 --> 01:06.200]  I believe waterboarding was torture and whatever legal rationale was used, it was a mistake.
[01:06.200 --> 01:12.480]  Natural News reports that in the late 1990s, the U.S. Public Health Service petitioned
[01:12.480 --> 01:18.040]  drug companies to remove thimerosal from vaccines intended for children.
[01:18.040 --> 01:23.360]  In one study, researchers found that children who received just three vaccines containing
[01:23.360 --> 01:30.720]  thimerosal were 27 more times likely to develop autism compared to children vaccinated without
[01:30.720 --> 01:31.720]  it.
[01:31.720 --> 01:38.680]  Despite the evidence, mercury is still being added to vaccines at completely unsafe levels.
[01:38.680 --> 01:44.200]  Vaccines are composed of protein, bacterial and viral matter as well as preservatives,
[01:44.200 --> 01:46.980]  neutralizers and carrying agents.
[01:46.980 --> 01:52.200]  By injecting foreign substances directly into the bloodstream, the human body stands little
[01:52.200 --> 01:55.600]  or no chance of neutralizing the poisons.
[01:55.600 --> 02:00.880]  The sudden appearance of a poison in the bloodstream causes an allergic reaction wherein the immune
[02:00.880 --> 02:06.160]  system uses an arsenal of antibodies to prevent death from poisoning.
[02:06.160 --> 02:12.640]  Among the causes of anaphylactic shock are immunizations for diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis
[02:12.640 --> 02:17.540]  B and whooping cough.
[02:17.540 --> 02:23.400]  The World Health Organization raised its infectious disease alert level Wednesday, but scientists
[02:23.400 --> 02:30.280]  are concluding the current outbreak of swine flu isn't as fatal as previous flu pandemics.
[02:30.280 --> 02:34.980]  In fact, the current outbreak may not even do as much damage as the run-of-the-mill flu
[02:34.980 --> 02:37.200]  outbreaks that occur every winter.
[02:37.200 --> 02:42.980]  Dr. Christopher Olson, a molecular virologist, said that normal influenza kills hundreds
[02:42.980 --> 02:48.120]  of thousands of people annually around the world, but preliminary evidence from genetic
[02:48.120 --> 02:54.600]  labs, epidemiology models and simple mathematics suggest that the worst-case scenarios will
[02:54.600 --> 02:57.040]  be avoided in the current outbreak.
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[03:36.040 --> 03:43.040]  What you gonna do, what you gonna do?
[03:43.040 --> 03:48.040]  Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do, what you gonna do when they come for you?
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[03:54.040 --> 03:59.040]  When you were eight and you had bad dreams, you'd go to school and learn the golden rule.
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[04:02.040 --> 04:06.040]  The easier you act, the more you become bad boys, bad boys.
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[04:16.040 --> 04:18.540]  You took it on that one, you took it on this one.
[04:18.540 --> 04:21.540]  You took it on your mother, and you took it on your father.
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[04:27.040 --> 04:47.340]  This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[04:47.340 --> 04:54.020]  We're here in studio with Tom Keiley this evening and Randy Kelton.
[04:54.020 --> 04:59.320]  Randy, Tom, Kylie left hell and came to heaven.
[05:01.320 --> 05:02.840]  I like New York city.
[05:02.840 --> 05:04.440]  Hold on there.
[05:05.240 --> 05:07.160]  I like New York city a lot.
[05:07.960 --> 05:11.720]  Um, crying shame.
[05:11.720 --> 05:14.440]  What happened on nine 11 and we're doing something about it.
[05:14.440 --> 05:15.240]  That's for sure.
[05:15.820 --> 05:21.640]  And Randy, I don't know if you've had a chance to read the ruling yet by the
[05:21.640 --> 05:24.300]  ninth circuit court of appeals.
[05:25.180 --> 05:26.200]  They heard of it.
[05:26.300 --> 05:27.820]  I haven't had a chance to read it.
[05:28.460 --> 05:30.580]  I'm planning on you telling me about it.
[05:30.660 --> 05:33.820]  They struck a devastating blow to the executive branch.
[05:34.340 --> 05:38.800]  And this is not a partisan issue.
[05:38.860 --> 05:42.140]  This is strictly balance of powers.
[05:42.340 --> 05:42.740]  Okay.
[05:42.740 --> 05:45.140]  Of the branches of government.
[05:45.140 --> 05:47.940]  And I'm going to read you guys an article that it's all over the place.
[05:47.940 --> 05:51.580]  And in fact, this may be old news to some of y'all, but I just love it.
[05:51.580 --> 05:52.220]  I just love it.
[05:52.220 --> 05:54.700]  I don't know the Supreme court's going to uphold this or not.
[05:55.020 --> 05:56.220]  Um, thanks to mr.
[05:56.220 --> 06:02.340]  Jonathan Mosley, who got, uh, who propagandized the John Roberts nomination.
[06:02.620 --> 06:03.220]  Okay.
[06:03.220 --> 06:07.980]  Uh, but at any rate, we'll see, hopefully the Supreme court will uphold this
[06:08.100 --> 06:13.560]  decision of the ninth circuit court of appeals, devastating blow.
[06:13.800 --> 06:15.480]  Uh, let me just give a little bit of background.
[06:15.480 --> 06:24.340]  Uh, detainees, uh, that were tortured, um, in camps, uh, CIA rendition,
[06:25.900 --> 06:26.660]  non-U.S.
[06:26.660 --> 06:31.420]  citizens sued a subsidiary of Boeing.
[06:31.740 --> 06:32.260]  Okay.
[06:32.340 --> 06:38.740]  Jefferson data plant, because they provided the planes for the renditions to
[06:38.740 --> 06:43.980]  fly these, these poor victims out of the country to other countries where they
[06:43.980 --> 06:49.100]  could be tortured, uh, to say whatever the heck the Bush administration wanted
[06:49.100 --> 06:54.780]  them to say for whatever reasons to support the war, you know, et cetera, et cetera.
[06:55.300 --> 06:57.780]  Um, so they sued, they sued Boeing.
[06:57.780 --> 07:03.380]  They actually sued a subsidiary of Boeing and, uh, the Bush administration
[07:03.420 --> 07:08.460]  said, oh no, no, we have to crush the, we have to crush the case because of state
[07:08.460 --> 07:13.460]  secrets, national secrets, uh, uh, you know, national security, blah, blah, blah.
[07:13.460 --> 07:19.640]  And of course the Obama administration is upholding that, uh, line of, uh, thinking
[07:19.640 --> 07:22.880]  that line of reasoning and their insistence on it with the justice department.
[07:23.480 --> 07:25.600]  Well, these guys appealed.
[07:26.020 --> 07:26.520]  Okay.
[07:26.560 --> 07:31.440]  This is, let me read, let me read from law.com.
[07:31.560 --> 07:32.200]  Here it goes.
[07:32.560 --> 07:39.020]  Ninth circuit judge, Michael Bailey Hawkins delivered an unqualified rebuke to the
[07:39.020 --> 07:43.020]  Obama administration on Tuesday and it's bid to quash a civil suit brought by
[07:43.020 --> 07:45.460]  targets of the CIA rendition program.
[07:45.460 --> 07:50.380]  The plaintiffs accused Boeing subsidiary, Jefferson data plan, Inc.
[07:50.620 --> 07:53.940]  Applying them to countries where they'd be tortured.
[07:53.940 --> 07:58.620]  President Bush, then Obama argued that the suit must be immediately dismissed
[07:58.940 --> 08:01.100]  because it involves state secrets.
[08:01.620 --> 08:06.260]  Hawkins, however, found that the judiciary must have a role in reviewing
[08:06.260 --> 08:08.500]  secret executive branch conduct.
[08:08.900 --> 08:09.660]  Yes.
[08:09.660 --> 08:15.540]  Quote, as the founders of this, this is, this is Hawkins now, okay.
[08:15.540 --> 08:19.920]  Ninth circuit judge Hawkins quote, as the founders of this nation knew well,
[08:20.140 --> 08:25.500]  arbitrary imprisonment and torture under any circumstance is a gross
[08:25.500 --> 08:28.780]  and notorious act of despotism.
[08:29.300 --> 08:36.260]  In quote, Hawkins wrote citing Scalia's dissent in Hamdi v Rumsfeld in which
[08:36.260 --> 08:40.460]  the arch conservative urge the court to go even further in protecting the
[08:40.460 --> 08:46.180]  individual liberty against executive power, drawing more from Scalia Hawkins
[08:46.180 --> 08:52.260]  wrote quote, but confinement and abuse of the person by secretly hurrying him to
[08:52.260 --> 08:58.060]  prison where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten is a less public, a less
[08:58.060 --> 09:03.660]  striking and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary government.
[09:03.660 --> 09:08.940]  Judge Mary Schroeder and senior judge, William Canby, junior, both Carter
[09:08.980 --> 09:11.580]  appointees joined Hawkins.
[09:12.860 --> 09:14.180]  Good for them.
[09:14.500 --> 09:15.740]  It's about time.
[09:15.740 --> 09:16.340]  And you know what?
[09:16.340 --> 09:20.420]  The ninth circuit, they're about the only thing left that, you know, actually
[09:20.420 --> 09:21.980]  does something in the court system.
[09:21.980 --> 09:27.820]  These days, Jefferson's attorney Munger, tallest and Olson partner, Daniel Collins
[09:27.820 --> 09:33.100]  did not recurrent return a call for comments plaintiffs attorney, Ben Wissner
[09:33.100 --> 09:36.620]  of the American civil liberties union foundation in New York city.
[09:37.100 --> 09:42.620]  Any former clerk for judge, Steven Reinhart was ebullient.
[09:43.100 --> 09:44.220]  Did you say New York city?
[09:44.260 --> 09:48.180]  Yeah, we're Tom Colley.
[09:48.180 --> 09:50.140]  Hey, she's done well in Gordon and Randy there.
[09:51.300 --> 09:52.020]  I don't think so.
[09:52.180 --> 09:55.460]  Anyway, he tried to frame the decision as a nonpartisan one.
[09:55.460 --> 09:56.340]  And I agree.
[09:56.500 --> 09:58.220]  This is not about partisan politics.
[09:58.220 --> 09:59.740]  This is about balance of power.
[09:59.740 --> 10:03.060]  This is about the branches of government needs to be balanced.
[10:03.060 --> 10:08.380]  And it's about damn time that the judicial branch is putting
[10:08.380 --> 10:09.740]  the executive branch in check.
[10:09.780 --> 10:11.100]  That's hello.
[10:11.420 --> 10:12.980]  That's why we have branches of government.
[10:13.420 --> 10:13.900]  Okay.
[10:14.380 --> 10:15.140]  I, okay.
[10:15.140 --> 10:17.980]  Quote, I don't think Hawkins is writing a liberal opinion.
[10:17.980 --> 10:22.140]  He's writing an opinion that just, that not just points the way for the courts,
[10:22.140 --> 10:25.020]  but for the Obama administration as well.
[10:25.180 --> 10:29.180]  The Obama administration should be grateful for this opinion.
[10:29.180 --> 10:33.220]  I, wait a minute.
[10:33.220 --> 10:34.580]  Now I kind of think so.
[10:35.300 --> 10:36.140]  Yes, indeed.
[10:36.140 --> 10:36.460]  Yeah.
[10:36.500 --> 10:45.020]  It's about Obama had to take the position to protect national security, but in the end,
[10:45.060 --> 10:50.380]  I think he was kind of railroaded into that position as the president.
[10:50.380 --> 10:58.340]  He had to stand at least for those executive branch offices that deal
[10:58.340 --> 10:59.220]  with these issues.
[10:59.220 --> 11:01.940]  Otherwise he would totally lose confidence.
[11:02.380 --> 11:03.180]  Wait a minute.
[11:03.420 --> 11:04.300]  Come on, Randy.
[11:04.300 --> 11:08.140]  He doesn't have to stand with the Bush administration's positions on this.
[11:08.860 --> 11:11.020]  Well, if he wants to stay alive, maybe he does.
[11:11.020 --> 11:14.060]  I mean, it's a rope a dope situation, right?
[11:14.060 --> 11:15.140]  Is that what you're trying to say, Randy?
[11:15.140 --> 11:16.820]  Maybe he's putting up a good defense.
[11:16.820 --> 11:19.700]  Look, I don't feel, I don't feel sorry for Obama at all.
[11:19.700 --> 11:21.260]  I ain't cutting him no slack.
[11:21.420 --> 11:22.820]  He knows exactly what he's doing.
[11:22.820 --> 11:23.620]  He's a little puppet.
[11:23.620 --> 11:27.140]  He's a little passy and he's doing exactly what he's told.
[11:27.140 --> 11:31.620]  And he's got to suffer the consequences and, you know, that's just ridiculous.
[11:32.220 --> 11:36.900]  Okay. Let me, let me, let me read some of the, the citations here.
[11:37.500 --> 11:47.020]  Okay. The Ninth Circuit judge instructed where, which is the government prosecutor,
[11:47.020 --> 11:50.820]  the government prosecutor in this case, to scrutinize pieces of evidence so as
[11:50.820 --> 11:55.500]  to make an individual determination as to what is secret and what can be withheld.
[11:55.500 --> 11:59.380]  If the plaintiffs then can't make their case without excluded evidence
[11:59.380 --> 12:04.500]  or Jefferson is robbed of an affirmative defense and the suit could still fail.
[12:05.700 --> 12:08.380]  Okay. Wrote Hawkins in, in the case.
[12:08.700 --> 12:09.100]  All right.
[12:09.100 --> 12:15.340]  So it still sounds to me like they're leaving a loophole here because it sounds
[12:15.340 --> 12:20.300]  to me like all the justice department has to do is just every other lie and just say,
[12:20.460 --> 12:22.980]  national secret, national secret, national secret.
[12:22.980 --> 12:28.100]  National secret. I mean, where is it, where, where is this really going to go?
[12:28.100 --> 12:34.300]  I mean, I'm, I'm glad to see this, but they still left him an out and okay.
[12:34.300 --> 12:37.780]  Let me, Randy, before you comment, let me, let me just read one other thing here.
[12:38.060 --> 12:42.580]  This is from a reporter's committee from freedom of the press.
[12:43.580 --> 12:47.580]  According to the appellate court, the government argued that state secret
[12:47.580 --> 12:52.380]  secrets, quote, form the subject matter of a lawsuit and therefore required
[12:52.380 --> 12:58.020]  dismissal any time a complaint contains allegations, the truth or falsity
[12:58.060 --> 13:02.620]  of which has been classified a secret by a government official, end quote.
[13:02.860 --> 13:07.740]  But the court rejected that broad state secrets claim, quote, not only because
[13:07.740 --> 13:13.500]  it is unsupported by the case law, but because it forces an unnecessary zero
[13:13.500 --> 13:19.540]  sum decision between the judiciary's constitutional duty to say what the law
[13:19.540 --> 13:24.940]  is and the executive's constitutional duty to preserve the national security.
[13:28.140 --> 13:28.660]  Okay.
[13:28.740 --> 13:34.140]  Which it's mostly good, but I, I still don't know if there, if the executive
[13:34.140 --> 13:39.220]  branch even has a constitutional duty to preserve national security.
[13:39.380 --> 13:41.540]  Honestly, I've never read that in the constitution.
[13:41.740 --> 13:44.980]  What I have read is that the executive branch has a duty to
[13:44.980 --> 13:46.660]  enforce the law on the books.
[13:46.660 --> 13:49.980]  I've never read anything about enforcing national security.
[13:49.980 --> 13:51.780]  I think that's something they made up, but I don't know.
[13:52.660 --> 13:54.300]  Can show me otherwise.
[13:55.180 --> 13:57.940]  I think we are here to protect our own security.
[13:57.940 --> 13:58.300]  Okay.
[13:59.140 --> 14:00.580]  We don't need the government to protect us.
[14:00.580 --> 14:03.900]  So anyway, comments, Randy.
[14:04.780 --> 14:14.580]  Well, I think you're right in saying that I don't know where the executive
[14:14.580 --> 14:19.620]  branch has been given the duty to protect our security.
[14:20.500 --> 14:26.340]  Well, the president is the executive branch and he is the head of the military.
[14:27.420 --> 14:33.740]  Yeah, but according to the constitution, the army is not to be called into
[14:33.740 --> 14:40.620]  existence at all, unless Congress declares war and even then it can only be
[14:40.620 --> 14:42.060]  in existence for two years.
[14:42.060 --> 14:44.420]  Well, we haven't declared war since World War II.
[14:44.580 --> 14:46.820]  There shouldn't even be an army right now.
[14:47.380 --> 14:47.860]  Okay.
[14:48.180 --> 14:48.580]  I agree.
[14:48.580 --> 14:49.980]  Should be no standing army.
[14:50.780 --> 14:52.580]  George Washington was afraid of that, right?
[14:52.580 --> 14:55.740]  It didn't say something like he was a, he would, he found it repugnant.
[14:55.740 --> 15:00.060]  The idea that, uh, his fellow citizens might be professional soldiers for
[15:00.060 --> 15:01.020]  a friend or something.
[15:01.020 --> 15:01.100]  Yeah.
[15:01.100 --> 15:04.940]  The president is commander in chief when there is an army, but right now the
[15:04.940 --> 15:08.860]  army just even by nature of existence right now is completely unconstitutional.
[15:08.860 --> 15:14.660]  So I thought, I, I thought the whole thing out, okay, because our founders
[15:14.660 --> 15:17.780]  did not want us to be in danger.
[15:17.780 --> 15:20.620]  It did not want a standing army because of Posse Comitonis.
[15:20.620 --> 15:29.020]  They did not want the danger of the military policing the citizens or the people,
[15:29.500 --> 15:34.100]  the civilians, all right, as they love to call us, even the police call
[15:34.100 --> 15:37.420]  us civilians now, it's ridiculous, sick of it.
[15:37.420 --> 15:38.740]  Yeah, I am not a civilian.
[15:38.740 --> 15:46.500]  I, I was in a position once where I called other people civilians and I was even
[15:46.500 --> 15:53.860]  uncomfortable then, even when I was in a foreign and essentially occupied country,
[15:53.860 --> 15:58.580]  it was uncomfortable for me to call the indigenous population civilians.
[16:00.860 --> 16:03.700]  Well, Randy, what do you, what do you, what do you make of this?
[16:03.700 --> 16:06.340]  I'm, I'm glad the ninth circle is still alive.
[16:06.340 --> 16:11.060]  I'm glad the ninth circuit has said, no, the case has to proceed.
[16:11.820 --> 16:19.660]  Um, I, I still feel like there's a lot of room for the, the administration to throw
[16:19.660 --> 16:24.300]  up, you know, stonewall after smoke, after mirror, after everything else.
[16:24.300 --> 16:30.340]  But we have a president who's trying to gain worldwide credibility.
[16:30.340 --> 16:30.500]  Yeah.
[16:30.500 --> 16:32.220]  Well, he's losing it fast.
[16:32.460 --> 16:33.980]  Well, yeah, no, wait a minute.
[16:33.980 --> 16:43.140]  You see, we push with such a charm that, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute,
[16:43.140 --> 16:44.180]  Randy, we're going to break.
[16:45.020 --> 16:46.340]  We'll get your comments on the other side.
[16:46.340 --> 16:48.420]  And also Tom has a case to bring up as well.
[16:49.420 --> 16:51.780]  And then we've got to find out what happened to you earlier this week.
[16:52.020 --> 16:52.740]  We'll be right back.
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[18:33.300 --> 18:38.860]  NIST, okay, nanothermite experts.
[18:40.180 --> 18:47.900]  Oh, we didn't invest in thermite because there was no evidence of any big boom sound.
[18:48.260 --> 18:51.660]  Oh yeah, that's a real scientific terminology there.
[18:51.660 --> 18:54.140]  They did not register high on the boom index.
[18:54.140 --> 18:59.860]  And they know for certain that nanothermite does not make a big boom sound.
[19:00.220 --> 19:02.260]  You need booms to bring down buildings.
[19:02.260 --> 19:03.180]  Thermographic is going to break.
[19:03.180 --> 19:04.580]  They painted it on the walls.
[19:05.380 --> 19:06.460]  The boom decks.
[19:06.460 --> 19:08.380]  It's been, the boom decks, it's been proven.
[19:08.700 --> 19:10.580]  Anyway, you know, it's...
[19:10.580 --> 19:13.140]  Got to reach the level of kaboom.
[19:13.380 --> 19:19.020]  Okay, so let me read you, let me read you another quote from Judge Michael Daley-Hawkins.
[19:19.260 --> 19:23.460]  I think we all need to have a round of applause for Judge Michael Daley-Hawkins, okay?
[19:23.460 --> 19:28.380]  Yes, someone's doing the right thing up in the court system at the federal level.
[19:28.580 --> 19:32.900]  Quote, according to the government's theory, the judiciary should effectively cordon off all
[19:33.020 --> 19:38.340]  secret government actions from judicial scrutiny, immunizing the CIA and its partners
[19:38.340 --> 19:40.260]  from the demands and limits of the law.
[19:40.780 --> 19:42.300]  Yeah, I don't think so.
[19:43.780 --> 19:46.100]  I don't think so, okay?
[19:47.300 --> 19:48.860]  All right, go ahead, Randy.
[19:48.940 --> 19:49.460]  Comments?
[19:52.140 --> 19:52.460]  Randy?
[19:52.460 --> 19:55.300]  Oh, oh, oh, I thought you were going to the other case.
[19:55.460 --> 19:56.580]  Yeah, go ahead and make comments.
[19:56.580 --> 19:58.060]  Do you think this is going to fly?
[19:58.060 --> 20:02.140]  How, I mean, what do you think the outcome is going to be here?
[20:02.140 --> 20:04.140]  Is this going to make it?
[20:04.140 --> 20:07.900]  Are they going to, are they going to be able to take Boeing down?
[20:08.940 --> 20:14.060]  What I don't understand is what their cause of action against Boeing is.
[20:14.220 --> 20:18.860]  Because Boeing supplied the plane for the rendition to travel them.
[20:18.860 --> 20:25.100]  Well, it's not like me selling you drinks at a tavern when you're intoxicated.
[20:26.180 --> 20:31.980]  Well, I suspect that Boeing rented or leased to the United States government
[20:32.300 --> 20:34.300]  hundreds and hundreds of planes.
[20:35.180 --> 20:40.860]  They can, they have no say in what the government does with those planes.
[20:40.860 --> 20:45.820]  So I can't understand how Boeing can carry any liability.
[20:46.220 --> 20:47.580]  But they're a contractor.
[20:47.580 --> 20:49.260]  They're a government contractor.
[20:49.260 --> 20:57.660]  Unless Boeing made a special arrangement for aircraft for this specific purpose,
[20:57.660 --> 21:01.780]  knowing full well that they were used for this illegal purpose.
[21:01.780 --> 21:03.620]  So you say they would have to show that?
[21:04.020 --> 21:08.220]  Yeah, I can't see how, just generally, Boeing...
[21:08.220 --> 21:12.700]  Okay, but Randy, Randy, what about when you were telling me regarding causes of action
[21:12.700 --> 21:18.620]  and when you sue people, like you were giving the example of somebody who lives in an apartment
[21:18.620 --> 21:25.980]  and the apartment burns down, whoever has the most money is the one who has to pay in the lawsuit,
[21:25.980 --> 21:27.900]  even if they're not really responsible.
[21:28.780 --> 21:31.180]  No, if they're in any way responsible.
[21:31.980 --> 21:37.500]  In this case, it's like saying that in the Terry McVeigh case,
[21:37.500 --> 21:42.140]  they should sue Ryder for renting him the truck.
[21:44.140 --> 21:51.020]  You know, if I may, Randy, we had a guest on last Tuesday night, Scott Horton,
[21:51.020 --> 21:55.420]  who's a lawyer in that big fancy place you don't like too much in New York.
[21:55.420 --> 21:57.340]  He works with the Bar Association up there.
[21:57.340 --> 22:00.940]  And he's really on the case of the government about a lot of this stuff.
[22:00.940 --> 22:02.460]  We talked about this case.
[22:03.100 --> 22:05.660]  And, you know, it sounds like you were in the military.
[22:05.660 --> 22:06.140]  I was.
[22:06.140 --> 22:12.140]  I remember they they taught us that you are obliged not to follow an illegal order, right?
[22:12.140 --> 22:16.700]  If, you know, if you're given an order, just because you're given an order doesn't mean you have to do it.
[22:16.700 --> 22:17.980]  It has to be a legal order.
[22:18.460 --> 22:24.140]  And as I understand it, this case with Boeing, there were Boeing employees who said, wait a minute,
[22:24.460 --> 22:26.780]  this is illegal, what you're asking us to do.
[22:26.780 --> 22:28.300]  And we refused to do it.
[22:28.780 --> 22:29.260]  Right.
[22:29.260 --> 22:31.420]  And okay, that's different.
[22:31.420 --> 22:35.260]  That's different because because listen, Randy, hold on, let me make a comment here.
[22:35.260 --> 23:03.260]  I have to agree with you on your line of thinking, Randy, because if if you could just sue Ryder because Timothy McVeigh used Ryder or if you could just sue Boeing just because they use the Boeing plane for the CIA renditions, what that's going to lead to is if somebody murders somebody with a Smith and Wesson or whatever other brand of firearm, then they're going to hold the firearm maker responsible and we can't allow that.
[23:03.260 --> 23:11.740]  That's that that can't fly your, you know, that we have to show direct connection to the company being responsible.
[23:11.740 --> 23:12.380]  You're right.
[23:12.380 --> 23:14.700]  This was a fact I wasn't aware of.
[23:14.700 --> 23:31.580]  Now, while while you shouldn't be able to sue Ryder, if I rented a taxi cab and had him pull up in front of a convenience store and I go, I put on a ski mask and pull out a pistol, go in, tell him, wait right here, I'll be right back.
[23:31.580 --> 23:32.540]  And I'll give you a cut.
[23:32.540 --> 23:37.580]  Yeah, it would come out and come running out and jump in the car and say, hey, get the hell out of here.
[23:37.580 --> 23:39.740]  Now, that's different.
[23:39.740 --> 23:47.900]  OK, so Tom, you're saying that that there were Boeing employees that knew about this and were trying to stop it because I hadn't read that yet.
[23:47.900 --> 24:02.460]  Yeah, I guess if we can go back to the archives, maybe for last Tuesday night, he was saying that part of the problem was that Boeing was was trying to, you know, introduce their employees to the idea that they were going to be involved in this very, very open.
[24:02.460 --> 24:11.500]  Odious stuff, you know, and some of them said, wait a minute, I thought they had leased the airplanes and the military was operating the airplanes.
[24:11.500 --> 24:13.500]  Yeah, why would they even need the Boeing employees?
[24:13.500 --> 24:35.340]  Well, if they use Boeing flight crews in this state, that changes every right in this state of privatization where, you know, the people running the government want to give as much work to private companies rather than military people who used to make a living doing this sort of thing.
[24:35.340 --> 24:40.540]  Now we pay 10 times as much to give it to their campaign contributors, contributors.
[24:40.540 --> 24:45.820]  Right. So there's this mixture now of public and private stuff.
[24:45.820 --> 24:52.060]  Right. And as I understand it, Boeing started to break their employees down.
[24:52.060 --> 24:58.300]  And there's been other contractors that have done similar things to introduce them to the fact that now we're going to be doing these things.
[24:58.300 --> 25:00.220]  You're not supposed to talk about it, you know.
[25:00.220 --> 25:04.220]  And so, Tom, you're saying they use Boeing flight crews for this situation?
[25:04.220 --> 25:07.660]  Well, I don't have the exact details at my fingertips.
[25:07.660 --> 25:14.940]  But as I understand it, they used Boeing employees in any capacity.
[25:14.940 --> 25:15.740]  Right.
[25:15.740 --> 25:18.220]  Now Boeing has its finger in the pot.
[25:18.220 --> 25:21.420]  Yeah. And you know what? I'm going to speculate and theorize here.
[25:22.300 --> 25:29.340]  Ninety-nine percent, I feel, Boeing employees were involved in flight crews and everything.
[25:29.340 --> 25:33.980]  Because you know why? Because the government doesn't want to be responsible.
[25:33.980 --> 25:36.380]  So they're going to put the onus on the contractor.
[25:36.380 --> 25:38.060]  They're going to, yeah.
[25:38.060 --> 25:40.540]  Outside the Uniform Code of Military Justice now.
[25:40.540 --> 25:48.220]  And also, just because there's no government employees that were running the planes, that were flying the planes or the flight crews or anything,
[25:48.220 --> 25:52.140]  they're going to make damn sure that it's Boeing employees that are running the whole thing.
[25:52.140 --> 25:59.020]  So that when this kind of thing comes down, ha ha ha, to Boeing, not us.
[25:59.020 --> 26:03.980]  And that's how this whole thing started, as I understand it, because the Boeing employees themselves said,
[26:03.980 --> 26:08.380]  hey, I'm not going to put my butt on the line for a lawsuit for something that's illegal.
[26:08.380 --> 26:11.260]  And I think that's part of how this whole thing began to unravel.
[26:11.260 --> 26:18.620]  Well, what I say is, in regards to discovery and stuff like that,
[26:19.180 --> 26:27.980]  I do not believe at all that the government can claim state secrets to protect Boeing or Boeing employees.
[26:27.980 --> 26:30.700]  I'm sorry, that's a corporation that's not part of the government.
[26:30.700 --> 26:31.740]  Let me address this.
[26:31.740 --> 26:34.620]  This is real easy to handle.
[26:34.620 --> 26:41.180]  And the government has no reasonable objection.
[26:41.180 --> 26:50.140]  Anything that is considered a state secret may be viewed by the judge in camera.
[26:50.140 --> 27:00.780]  And it is the judge who makes the determination of whether or not the information should be released.
[27:00.780 --> 27:08.380]  The judge can make his decision based on the secret information and never reveal the secret information.
[27:08.380 --> 27:20.780]  Yes, and that is backed up by this article here on Law.com where it says the 9th Circuit Court said
[27:20.780 --> 27:29.020]  the government could ask judges to conduct a case-by-case review of whether the disclosure
[27:29.020 --> 27:32.060]  of specific documents would jeopardize national security.
[27:32.060 --> 27:33.180]  That's the key right there.
[27:33.820 --> 27:36.620]  Judges, not the prosecutor.
[27:37.500 --> 27:44.300]  This term in camera, duh, that's what they came up with it for.
[27:45.740 --> 27:49.900]  In camera means that only the judge sees it.
[27:50.460 --> 27:54.140]  So in no way jeopardizes national security.
[27:54.140 --> 28:01.180]  Well, it helps to balance out the branches of government because the judiciary is making
[28:01.180 --> 28:04.300]  the decision, but there's still no public oversight.
[28:04.300 --> 28:11.020]  And I don't see how a group of people suing a corporation that the government could ball
[28:11.020 --> 28:12.700]  out national security anyway.
[28:12.700 --> 28:13.660]  They're not suing the government.
[28:13.660 --> 28:14.380]  Are you kidding?
[28:14.380 --> 28:26.620]  With these kinds of allegations, as notorious as they are, Boeing could get cremated here.
[28:26.620 --> 28:28.940]  Oh, but then the government will just bail them out.
[28:28.940 --> 28:30.700]  Well, that's the same thing with the...
[28:30.700 --> 28:32.140]  The government cannot bail them out.
[28:32.140 --> 28:37.580]  Randy, I think it's a similar situation to the warrantless wiretapping and the retroactive
[28:37.580 --> 28:44.380]  immunity that the Bush administration was asking Congress to give to all of the telecoms
[28:44.380 --> 28:47.100]  that caved in and broke the law.
[28:48.380 --> 28:55.420]  And I think that this particular case may well bode very ill for those folks looking
[28:55.420 --> 28:57.660]  for retroactive immunity.
[28:59.020 --> 29:00.140]  Well, they have to go out and apply it.
[29:00.140 --> 29:03.660]  That's smacks of expofacto legislation.
[29:03.660 --> 29:04.060]  Okay.
[29:04.060 --> 29:06.300]  I got to read something from the New York Times here.
[29:06.300 --> 29:07.900]  Grammatical error.
[29:07.900 --> 29:08.380]  New York again.
[29:08.380 --> 29:11.900]  For one thing, this is from the New York Times.
[29:13.260 --> 29:14.540]  The court said the government...
[29:14.540 --> 29:18.700]  Okay, I read that, could ask judges to conduct a case-by-case review of whether the disclosure
[29:18.700 --> 29:22.860]  of specific documents would jeopardize national security, but allowing the executive branch
[29:22.860 --> 29:29.420]  to shut down an entire lawsuit whenever an official says its subject is classified would
[29:29.420 --> 29:34.620]  be a, quote, concentration of unchecked power and lead to abuses.
[29:34.620 --> 29:38.860]  I shouldn't say and could lead to abuses or may lead to abuses.
[29:38.860 --> 29:42.860]  It said, anyway, New York Times, learn how to use proper grammar.
[29:42.860 --> 29:47.180]  Anyways, we're going to break, but they're right.
[29:47.180 --> 29:49.340]  I mean, well, the judge is right.
[29:51.100 --> 29:54.780]  And Tom has another case for Randy review when we get back.
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[31:21.980 --> 31:37.500]  When are you going to stop abuse the power?
[31:37.500 --> 31:38.780]  When we stop them.
[31:38.780 --> 31:39.660]  That's what I say.
[31:40.940 --> 31:43.820]  Here in studio with Tom Colley from New York City.
[31:45.100 --> 31:46.700]  So glad to have him here.
[31:46.700 --> 31:49.100]  We got Randy Kelton on Deborah Stevens.
[31:49.100 --> 31:56.140]  We're talking about the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals doing the right thing as they are
[31:56.140 --> 31:57.420]  known to do.
[31:57.420 --> 32:02.140]  And Tom, you have another, again with the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
[32:02.140 --> 32:02.940]  Yes.
[32:02.940 --> 32:05.820]  Can we say yes?
[32:05.820 --> 32:10.860]  Can we give an understanding ovation for the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals again for
[32:10.860 --> 32:13.180]  another glorious decision?
[32:13.180 --> 32:15.980]  Tom, please read us the situation.
[32:15.980 --> 32:17.260]  I'll be happy to.
[32:17.260 --> 32:26.220]  But first, if I may, okay, it's really, really sad, I think, Deborah, that we're clapping
[32:26.220 --> 32:31.740]  our hands for one of the circuit courts doing the right thing.
[32:31.740 --> 32:35.420]  This should be a standard operating procedure.
[32:36.940 --> 32:42.460]  The problem is what's been happening is that these muckety mucks, these people with a lot
[32:42.460 --> 32:48.620]  of money at the top, these elites have BSed so many Americans into giving them their people
[32:48.620 --> 32:53.900]  in Congress and their people in the executive branch, and they've been putting these creeps
[32:53.900 --> 32:59.740]  into the judicial branch who in many cases don't even believe in democracy, okay?
[32:59.740 --> 33:00.700]  Okay.
[33:00.700 --> 33:07.900]  Like I said, Mr. Jonathan Mosley out of Florida who spearheaded the propaganda campaign for
[33:07.900 --> 33:10.460]  the John Roberts nomination to the Supreme Court.
[33:11.180 --> 33:12.380]  Case in point.
[33:12.380 --> 33:16.860]  Why are we celebrating one of these circuit courts doing what they all should be doing
[33:16.860 --> 33:17.420]  all the time?
[33:17.420 --> 33:19.180]  Why is this finally happening now?
[33:20.060 --> 33:21.100]  That's part one of the problem.
[33:21.100 --> 33:28.940]  Part two is what the heck is this Obama administration doing carrying water for the Bush administration
[33:28.940 --> 33:35.740]  following up on the same kind of blockages and these inane, well, it's secret so we can't
[33:35.740 --> 33:37.660]  tell you about it kind of stuff, period, the end.
[33:39.260 --> 33:41.100]  Case in point, Randy and Deborah.
[33:41.100 --> 33:42.620]  I'd like to share this case with you.
[33:42.620 --> 33:46.780]  We had the lawyer for this, the attorney for this case on INN several times.
[33:46.780 --> 33:50.620]  I interviewed myself about a month and a half ago.
[33:51.980 --> 33:59.260]  Listeners, take note here, the case is L. Harmane versus Bush, okay?
[33:59.260 --> 34:04.860]  A-L-H-A-R-A-M-A-I-N versus Bush.
[34:04.860 --> 34:07.580]  And if I can give you a little background because I interviewed the guy so I learned
[34:07.580 --> 34:08.140]  a lot about it.
[34:08.140 --> 34:16.780]  This was, it's no longer even in existence, this was an Islamic charity in Oregon, okay,
[34:16.780 --> 34:23.580]  that the Bush administration targeted and therefore there was a lawsuit that came about
[34:23.580 --> 34:29.100]  where the charity either wanted to defend itself or find out, you know, what was going
[34:29.100 --> 34:35.020]  on with the government and it turns out that the communications, the private communications
[34:35.020 --> 34:39.180]  between the charity and their attorney seemed to be known to the government.
[34:39.180 --> 34:45.100]  So they suspected that they were victims of this wiretapping, this warrantless wiretapping
[34:45.100 --> 34:45.900]  that was going on.
[34:45.900 --> 34:51.260]  So that became part of the case and they sued the government to find out if they were in
[34:51.260 --> 34:53.180]  fact being illegally wiretapped.
[34:53.180 --> 34:57.740]  Well, the government came back and said, well, we can't tell you if we're doing something
[34:57.740 --> 35:01.660]  illegal because it's secret and we're not going to say we're doing it, we're not going
[35:01.660 --> 35:05.580]  to say we're not doing it, we're just going to say that none of your business and of course
[35:05.580 --> 35:08.380]  that's a catch-22 where you get no place.
[35:08.380 --> 35:16.060]  So get this, Randy, I hope you're sitting down, okay, inadvertently the government in
[35:16.060 --> 35:22.620]  discovery turns over documents to the attorneys for the charity that prove the government
[35:22.620 --> 35:25.180]  was illegally wiretapping them.
[35:26.300 --> 35:27.260]  How about that?
[35:27.260 --> 35:33.980]  They made a mistake and they turned over documents which proves the government was illegally.
[35:33.980 --> 35:37.660]  Now, this sets in a very interesting chain of events.
[35:37.660 --> 35:38.460]  You got to hear this, folks.
[35:38.460 --> 35:39.740]  I hope you're sitting down, okay?
[35:39.740 --> 35:45.580]  Listen, first of all, the government goes, oops, okay, now the attorneys say, look at
[35:45.580 --> 35:51.260]  this, this proves it and the first thing they did, thank goodness, was they sent copies
[35:51.260 --> 35:55.740]  of it overseas, okay, they disseminated this stuff.
[35:55.740 --> 36:00.780]  Well, when the government realized what it did, okay, it came back through the court
[36:00.780 --> 36:05.420]  and said, okay, give us that stuff back right now, give us all that stuff back right now,
[36:05.420 --> 36:05.980]  number one.
[36:05.980 --> 36:08.620]  Number two, pretend you never saw it.
[36:09.660 --> 36:14.700]  Number three, judge, we want you to agree with us that they have to pretend they never
[36:14.700 --> 36:18.620]  saw this stuff and that they can't use it in their case.
[36:20.700 --> 36:23.340]  All right, so they turn the stuff back to the government.
[36:23.340 --> 36:24.300]  Why did they do that?
[36:24.300 --> 36:29.580]  Well, because they had to, because it's the government, right, but not before they distributed
[36:29.580 --> 36:35.580]  it, however, overseas, all right, so it's in the public domain and then, so then the
[36:35.580 --> 36:40.220]  government asked the judge to rule that they're not allowed to use this stuff that they've
[36:40.220 --> 36:44.860]  become aware of, which proves their case and they just said, I don't think so.
[36:45.980 --> 36:50.140]  So then they went, I think it was to the Ninth Circuit, okay, the good old Ninth Circuit.
[36:50.140 --> 36:50.700]  Here we go.
[36:50.700 --> 36:54.620]  Okay, they went there and the Ninth Circuit shot the government down as well.
[36:55.580 --> 37:00.460]  And the government is getting really, now, now this is continuing into the Obama
[37:00.460 --> 37:02.940]  administration and I hope you're ready for this one.
[37:02.940 --> 37:06.380]  Guess what the government's response was, at least when I interviewed back about a
[37:06.380 --> 37:13.340]  month ago, the government's response was, okay, Mr. Judge, we're order, we're ordering
[37:13.340 --> 37:18.460]  you to give us back your copy and we're going to come take it.
[37:18.460 --> 37:26.540]  All right, that's how far this thing, okay, so it's El Harmein and this, there's a very
[37:26.540 --> 37:28.860]  fascinating point about this one case.
[37:28.860 --> 37:31.100]  This is a chink in the armor.
[37:31.100 --> 37:36.940]  Everybody who feels they've had illegal wiretapping against them can't get an answer
[37:36.940 --> 37:39.900]  because the government invokes the secrecy stuff.
[37:39.900 --> 37:46.060]  This is the one case where the curtain was pulled back for a brief moment and we saw
[37:46.060 --> 37:47.020]  what was really going on.
[37:47.020 --> 37:51.580]  So this case, if it's allowed to go through, can help all of us and that's why they're
[37:51.580 --> 37:55.580]  fighting against it so hard and it's the Obama administration now continuing.
[37:55.580 --> 37:58.300]  It's El Harmein warrantless wiretapping.
[37:58.300 --> 37:59.580]  El Harmein versus Bush.
[38:00.300 --> 38:01.420]  Well, there you have it.
[38:01.420 --> 38:04.060]  Do you have the number citation?
[38:05.180 --> 38:10.460]  I'm looking right now on the Electronic Freedom, the Electronic Frontier Foundation,
[38:10.460 --> 38:16.060]  who gave an amicus brief, I believe, but Deborah knows how to look at all that stuff.
[38:16.060 --> 38:17.100]  Hold on.
[38:17.900 --> 38:18.380]  Okay.
[38:19.660 --> 38:20.620]  El Harmein.
[38:21.420 --> 38:27.020]  A-L space or dash H-A-R-M-A-I-N versus Bush.
[38:27.020 --> 38:27.260]  Okay.
[38:27.260 --> 38:28.780]  I should be able to find that.
[38:28.780 --> 38:29.340]  Yeah.
[38:29.340 --> 38:30.060]  And you know what?
[38:31.340 --> 38:36.460]  This just shows that we really do have the power to change things because these guys,
[38:36.460 --> 38:37.900]  they just mess up.
[38:37.900 --> 38:45.340]  They can't help it because they have so many lies, so much corruption.
[38:45.340 --> 38:47.500]  There's no way they can cover it up.
[38:47.500 --> 38:53.020]  Just like with the flight data recorders that pilots for 9-11 Truth through the Freedom
[38:53.020 --> 39:01.180]  of Information Act request, they demanded the flight data recorders from the alleged
[39:01.180 --> 39:08.860]  plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon, which showed the plane in a steep dive straight
[39:08.860 --> 39:16.460]  downward, but yet the government releases five frames, okay, out of hundreds of videotape
[39:16.460 --> 39:21.820]  that recorded whatever it was that hit the Pentagon, showing some white street going
[39:21.820 --> 39:23.260]  horizontal to the ground.
[39:23.260 --> 39:28.540]  Well, that's conflicting information that they just, they can't hide it.
[39:28.540 --> 39:29.500]  They did it.
[39:29.500 --> 39:30.220]  They did it.
[39:30.220 --> 39:33.660]  We busted them and we're doing something about it right now.
[39:33.660 --> 39:40.780]  Yes, I was once, had a case where they were prosecuting me because the sheriff's
[39:40.780 --> 39:47.580]  deputy tried to kill me, couldn't get it done, and lied to the court to try to get
[39:47.580 --> 39:48.700]  me convicted.
[39:48.700 --> 39:52.860]  And when I stood before the jury, I told the jury that I was here representing myself
[39:53.500 --> 39:56.620]  and I'm not going to tell you why I'm representing myself.
[39:57.580 --> 39:59.100]  The judge told me I couldn't.
[39:59.100 --> 39:59.900]  Mr. Colton.
[40:00.780 --> 40:01.420]  See what I mean?
[40:01.420 --> 40:04.460]  See, and the only thing I have going for me is the truth.
[40:04.460 --> 40:07.500]  That's all we need, Randy.
[40:07.500 --> 40:11.820]  I'm going to tell you that all of these guys are lying like dogs to you.
[40:11.820 --> 40:14.060]  I'm going to tell you that the sheriff is out to get me.
[40:14.060 --> 40:15.100]  You're not going to believe it.
[40:15.100 --> 40:18.940]  And the prosecutor here, he's out to get me and you're not going to believe that,
[40:18.940 --> 40:19.580]  even a judge.
[40:20.460 --> 40:26.380]  So the only thing I have going for me is the truth and you'll find it in the details.
[40:27.020 --> 40:28.620]  Watch the details.
[40:28.620 --> 40:29.340]  There you go.
[40:29.340 --> 40:33.260]  There you go, and I cremated them with the details.
[40:33.260 --> 40:33.760]  See?
[40:34.620 --> 40:39.980]  Now, excuse me, but if you were coming in from this direction where you knock down the
[40:39.980 --> 40:46.140]  lampposts, how come the flight data recorder says you're coming in from across the street
[40:46.140 --> 40:47.820]  where there were no lampposts?
[40:47.820 --> 40:53.580]  And if you were coming in horizontal across the lawn, how come the flight data recorder
[40:53.580 --> 41:00.060]  says you was coming in at a steep dive?
[41:00.060 --> 41:04.380]  That's where they always have a problem, is in the details.
[41:04.380 --> 41:05.580]  The devil's in the details.
[41:05.580 --> 41:08.460]  Because one lie begets another lie, begets another lie.
[41:08.460 --> 41:15.180]  Well, the thing is, okay, Randy, and you know, this leads up to what the whole reason
[41:15.180 --> 41:20.380]  that I got into all this to begin with was because 9-11 and taking it into the court.
[41:20.380 --> 41:21.980]  We've got more than enough evidence.
[41:21.980 --> 41:23.420]  We've got plenty enough evidence.
[41:23.420 --> 41:26.380]  It's evidence on top of evidence, on top of evidence.
[41:26.380 --> 41:31.020]  It's gotten to the point where it's literally laughable.
[41:31.020 --> 41:32.620]  I mean, they painted it.
[41:32.620 --> 41:34.780]  They painted the nanothermite on the walls.
[41:35.340 --> 41:37.100]  I mean, it's ridiculous.
[41:37.100 --> 41:39.980]  I mean, you can see the 45-degree angle cuts.
[41:39.980 --> 41:45.500]  I mean, it's just been proven and proven and proven and proven over and over again,
[41:45.500 --> 41:48.140]  every which way you can imagine.
[41:48.140 --> 41:52.380]  So, Randy, how do we deal with this in the court system?
[41:52.380 --> 41:57.740]  We've got to get a grand jury to do something about this.
[41:59.020 --> 42:03.020]  Well, it looks like the Ninth Circuit, at least we have one circuit.
[42:03.580 --> 42:05.180]  But that's on the West Coast.
[42:05.180 --> 42:06.620]  This happened in New York City.
[42:06.620 --> 42:09.020]  How do we get the Ninth Circuit to have jurisdiction?
[42:09.740 --> 42:14.540]  You do have a movement in New York City where they have enough signatures to get
[42:14.540 --> 42:17.980]  an independent New York City People's Investigation of 9-11.
[42:17.980 --> 42:18.940]  That's been going on for a while.
[42:18.940 --> 42:19.660]  That's been going on.
[42:19.660 --> 42:23.500]  But what I understand, and anybody who's listening to us tonight,
[42:23.500 --> 42:25.420]  if you know anyone in New York City, number one.
[42:25.420 --> 42:27.100]  Number two, if you'd like to go and volunteer,
[42:27.100 --> 42:29.740]  they need to get another 30,000 signatures.
[42:30.700 --> 42:35.180]  They have enough signatures already to get this on the ballot.
[42:35.180 --> 42:40.620]  I think it was something like 35,000 signatures would get it before the City Council.
[42:40.620 --> 42:43.900]  45,000 would go past the City Council, have to get it.
[42:43.900 --> 42:45.900]  Now they're afraid that they may have a challenge,
[42:45.900 --> 42:48.140]  so they want to pad it and get more.
[42:48.140 --> 42:50.140]  But if they get this through, it'll go on the ballot.
[42:50.140 --> 42:54.300]  And if New York City votes for it, we can empower our own investigation with subpoena power.
[42:54.300 --> 42:57.660]  The commissioners have been named already.
[42:57.660 --> 42:58.140]  Oh, wow.
[42:58.140 --> 43:01.260]  This is a thing that I've always felt.
[43:02.940 --> 43:04.380]  Things move in cycles.
[43:06.940 --> 43:09.980]  I had some tapes by a fellow named Jim Rohn.
[43:10.940 --> 43:15.020]  And he said, life is like the changing seasons.
[43:15.020 --> 43:19.340]  Winter follows summer with regularity.
[43:19.340 --> 43:23.660]  Things get good, then they get bad, then they get good again.
[43:23.660 --> 43:25.580]  It is the nature of things.
[43:25.580 --> 43:28.700]  We have all of these competing factions.
[43:29.260 --> 43:33.660]  Even within the global elite, we have competing factions.
[43:34.540 --> 43:34.860]  All right.
[43:34.860 --> 43:37.180]  Well, it looks like we're on the up and up, Randy.
[43:37.180 --> 43:38.140]  We're going to break.
[43:39.180 --> 43:41.900]  Anybody in New York City, you need to sign that petition
[43:41.900 --> 43:45.100]  and get this prosecutor in place.
[43:45.100 --> 43:49.180]  And let's settle this 9-11 thing once and for all, because literally, I'm sick of it.
[43:49.180 --> 43:49.980]  I really am.
[43:51.180 --> 43:52.460]  Joke's over.
[43:52.460 --> 43:53.740]  Bring back the Constitution.
[43:53.740 --> 43:54.540]  We'll be right back.
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[45:34.860 --> 45:37.660]  We did not wait any bout too long.
[45:37.660 --> 45:40.060]  Would your purpose let us be done?
[45:40.060 --> 45:43.420]  Such a stand-alone, a soldier, a warrior, a club,
[45:43.420 --> 45:45.980]  scuffle and they keep the peace.
[45:45.980 --> 45:49.260]  All they're taking is a misunderstanding.
[45:49.260 --> 45:51.420]  Somebody calls the police.
[45:51.420 --> 45:53.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[45:57.420 --> 45:59.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[45:59.420 --> 46:01.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:03.420 --> 46:05.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:09.420 --> 46:11.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:15.420 --> 46:17.420]  The friction isn't addiction.
[46:17.420 --> 46:21.420]  The hard work can leave you cold-lipped, man.
[46:21.420 --> 46:23.420]  There's impossibility toward tranquility.
[46:23.420 --> 46:27.420]  Heavy loads of debt been unscathed.
[46:27.420 --> 46:29.420]  Time is colliding with the constant.
[46:29.420 --> 46:31.420]  You find out after a while.
[46:33.420 --> 46:35.420]  It's not your moral standards.
[46:35.420 --> 46:37.420]  It's your patience that's on trial.
[46:37.420 --> 46:39.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:43.420 --> 46:45.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:49.420 --> 46:51.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:51.420 --> 46:53.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[46:53.420 --> 47:19.420]  I'm watching the spots fly.
[47:23.420 --> 47:25.420]  Okay, watching the sparks fly.
[47:25.420 --> 47:29.420]  We're throwing some ourselves, all right?
[47:29.420 --> 47:33.420]  And one of the biggest ways you can is by supporting
[47:33.420 --> 47:39.420]  your local low-power FM and AM radio stations.
[47:39.420 --> 47:43.420]  And you know, Tom, you're talking about needing
[47:43.420 --> 47:47.420]  30,000 signatures to get this special prosecutor
[47:47.420 --> 47:49.420]  appointed, which I'm sure there's,
[47:49.420 --> 47:51.420]  I'm sure there are some who are willing to step
[47:51.420 --> 47:54.420]  up to the plate to just chomp it at the bit.
[47:54.420 --> 47:56.420]  It's just a matter of them having the legal teeth
[47:56.420 --> 47:57.420]  behind it.
[47:57.420 --> 48:01.420]  So we need to figure out how we're going to totally
[48:01.420 --> 48:06.420]  enmesh New York City with these low-power,
[48:06.420 --> 48:11.420]  legal AM stations so we can get this ballot
[48:11.420 --> 48:14.420]  initiative pushed through.
[48:14.420 --> 48:16.420]  So, Randy, you have something to say about this?
[48:16.420 --> 48:22.420]  Yeah, Chess out of Idaho is in South Dakota.
[48:22.420 --> 48:28.420]  He has a low-power AM radio station that you can
[48:28.420 --> 48:30.420]  put on the top of your house.
[48:30.420 --> 48:31.420]  It's 500 watts.
[48:31.420 --> 48:32.420]  Totally legal.
[48:32.420 --> 48:34.420]  It's totally legal.
[48:34.420 --> 48:36.420]  Transmit about five miles.
[48:36.420 --> 48:38.420]  In New York City?
[48:38.420 --> 48:39.420]  Holy crapola.
[48:39.420 --> 48:40.420]  Yeah, really?
[48:40.420 --> 48:43.420]  If we get a half a dozen of them in New York,
[48:43.420 --> 48:46.420]  we'll get New York jumping through hoops.
[48:46.420 --> 48:48.420]  And let me also, while we're on the subject
[48:48.420 --> 48:51.420]  of AM radio stations, I want to send a shout-out
[48:51.420 --> 48:54.420]  to our affiliates of ruleoflawradio.com.
[48:54.420 --> 48:58.420]  We've got Liberty 1640 AM in Sioux Falls,
[48:58.420 --> 49:00.420]  South Dakota, Omaha, Nebraska.
[49:00.420 --> 49:07.420]  And also we have, I believe it's 1710 in Maple Grove,
[49:07.420 --> 49:10.420]  which is on the west side of Minneapolis.
[49:10.420 --> 49:14.420]  All right, we've got AM station in Corvallis, Oregon,
[49:14.420 --> 49:18.420]  and also St. Louis, Missouri, Indiana.
[49:18.420 --> 49:21.420]  We're kicking butt, people.
[49:21.420 --> 49:30.420]  Okay, if you want to become a radio mogul, call us.
[49:30.420 --> 49:31.420]  Send us an email.
[49:31.420 --> 49:33.420]  We'll get you in touch with Chess.
[49:33.420 --> 49:35.420]  If I remember right, it's about,
[49:35.420 --> 49:37.420]  it's like a couple thousand dollars.
[49:37.420 --> 49:40.420]  You can set up your own radio station.
[49:40.420 --> 49:44.420]  It's a little, you can broadcast at a little less than one watt.
[49:44.420 --> 49:48.420]  But the thing is, in a major metropolitan area
[49:48.420 --> 49:52.420]  like New York City, three miles to five miles,
[49:52.420 --> 49:55.420]  how long, that's like all of Manhattan Island.
[49:55.420 --> 49:57.420]  Yeah, you're going to reach a lot of people.
[49:57.420 --> 49:58.420]  We've got a lot of tall buildings too,
[49:58.420 --> 50:00.420]  so I don't know how high this has to be.
[50:00.420 --> 50:02.420]  We also have, I can tell you, good friends,
[50:02.420 --> 50:04.420]  on the radio dial in New York City,
[50:04.420 --> 50:06.420]  there are just so many stations.
[50:06.420 --> 50:08.420]  Unfortunately, there's not that many of them in English.
[50:08.420 --> 50:10.420]  I mean, I go through them, and it's like,
[50:10.420 --> 50:14.420]  and it's, I mean, all kinds of languages and stuff,
[50:14.420 --> 50:16.420]  but it's a very crowded dial.
[50:16.420 --> 50:18.420]  But I told Deborah, I'd be interested.
[50:18.420 --> 50:20.420]  I could put something on my roof, you know.
[50:20.420 --> 50:22.420]  I've got like three stories, you know.
[50:22.420 --> 50:26.420]  Let's ask Larry Silverstein if he could put one on,
[50:26.420 --> 50:28.420]  on the new Freedom Tower.
[50:28.420 --> 50:30.420]  The building that he collapsed in the ground.
[50:30.420 --> 50:32.420]  Put one on the new Freedom Tower.
[50:32.420 --> 50:34.420]  All of Larry Silverstein's buildings are holes in the ground.
[50:34.420 --> 50:36.420]  No, no, no, no, no.
[50:36.420 --> 50:39.420]  He's building, there's already been another building on.
[50:39.420 --> 50:40.420]  Go ahead, Tom.
[50:40.420 --> 50:41.420]  Tom is there.
[50:41.420 --> 50:44.420]  Yeah, first of all, you know,
[50:44.420 --> 50:47.420]  as far as the nanothermite in the dust is concerned,
[50:47.420 --> 50:49.420]  I can tell you, it gets you real high, okay.
[50:49.420 --> 50:51.420]  I had a lot of it down my lungs that day.
[50:51.420 --> 50:54.420]  I couldn't get inside in time as what looked to me
[50:54.420 --> 50:58.420]  like Mount St. Helens was coming down Church Street right at me.
[50:58.420 --> 51:00.420]  I was only three blocks south.
[51:00.420 --> 51:01.420]  I got to tell you, good friends, I'm alive today.
[51:01.420 --> 51:03.420]  You know why I'm alive today?
[51:03.420 --> 51:10.420]  Because it was a most incredible, gorgeous day that day.
[51:10.420 --> 51:12.420]  There was not a cloud in the sky.
[51:12.420 --> 51:14.420]  It was in September.
[51:14.420 --> 51:17.420]  It was, there was no humidity.
[51:17.420 --> 51:19.420]  It was nice and warm.
[51:19.420 --> 51:22.420]  And this thing happened, I happen to have a,
[51:22.420 --> 51:23.420]  I'm sorry, Deborah, I digress.
[51:23.420 --> 51:24.420]  Is it okay? Do you mind?
[51:24.420 --> 51:26.420]  Please do, because Tom,
[51:26.420 --> 51:30.420]  when you were starting to tell your story on the George Galloway interview,
[51:30.420 --> 51:34.420]  I didn't realize that you actually experienced this thing firsthand.
[51:34.420 --> 51:39.420]  And I feel blessed and fortunate by the grace of God
[51:39.420 --> 51:41.420]  that Tom Kiley is sitting next to me today
[51:41.420 --> 51:46.420]  because he was engulfed in the dust of 9-11,
[51:46.420 --> 51:49.420]  of the buildings collapsing and exploding.
[51:49.420 --> 51:50.420]  It was incredible.
[51:50.420 --> 51:52.420]  Let me tell you why I'm alive today.
[51:52.420 --> 51:54.420]  I'll tell you exactly what happened.
[51:54.420 --> 51:56.420]  I was a photographer in the Army.
[51:56.420 --> 51:58.420]  I was a photo lab technician.
[51:58.420 --> 52:02.420]  And that day, I had been to a protest, believe it or not, that weekend.
[52:02.420 --> 52:03.420]  This was a Tuesday.
[52:03.420 --> 52:08.420]  On Sunday, I was at Hofstra University on Long Island,
[52:08.420 --> 52:12.420]  protesting that worm, Antonin Scalia,
[52:12.420 --> 52:16.420]  who denied the will of the people in Bush versus Gore.
[52:16.420 --> 52:20.420]  And Rach versus Ashcroft, I will say.
[52:20.420 --> 52:23.420]  Until we slaughtered states riots in that one.
[52:23.420 --> 52:26.420]  So we were dogging this guy all over the country.
[52:26.420 --> 52:28.420]  We followed him to Princeton, and we were chanting,
[52:28.420 --> 52:30.420]  oh, no, Gore might win.
[52:30.420 --> 52:31.420]  Better call Antonin.
[52:31.420 --> 52:32.420]  And he heard it, too.
[52:32.420 --> 52:36.420]  So every place he went, we had groups going out that were protesting.
[52:36.420 --> 52:39.420]  So I don't like to bring my good camera to a protest.
[52:39.420 --> 52:41.420]  Know what I'm talking about, friends?
[52:41.420 --> 52:44.420]  So I bring these little disposable cameras.
[52:44.420 --> 52:48.420]  And I had a few shots left on my disposable camera.
[52:48.420 --> 52:51.420]  So I brought it with me that gorgeous, bright, sunny day,
[52:51.420 --> 52:53.420]  September 11th, Tuesday morning,
[52:53.420 --> 52:56.420]  which fortunately was, by the way, a primary day in New York.
[52:56.420 --> 53:00.420]  So a lot of people were coming into work late that day.
[53:00.420 --> 53:04.420]  And I had this camera that had a few shots left.
[53:04.420 --> 53:06.420]  So I wanted to take it with me.
[53:06.420 --> 53:09.420]  I worked in lower Manhattan, only six blocks south of the World Trade Center.
[53:09.420 --> 53:12.420]  And by the way, I was working at a financial software firm,
[53:12.420 --> 53:14.420]  Cancer Fitzgerald.
[53:14.420 --> 53:17.420]  Atop the North Tower was our client.
[53:17.420 --> 53:21.420]  I was going up there all summer for about a year
[53:21.420 --> 53:24.420]  because they just put in a new version of our software.
[53:24.420 --> 53:25.420]  I checked my records.
[53:25.420 --> 53:29.420]  The last day I was up with Cancer Fitzgerald on the 103rd floor of the North Tower
[53:29.420 --> 53:31.420]  was September the 5th.
[53:31.420 --> 53:33.420]  That was the last time I was up there with those guys.
[53:33.420 --> 53:36.420]  I used to actually, while we were waiting for stuff,
[53:36.420 --> 53:38.420]  I'd go to the window and I'd point across the river to Brooklyn
[53:38.420 --> 53:39.420]  and say, you see that church?
[53:39.420 --> 53:42.420]  I live right about a half block down from there.
[53:42.420 --> 53:46.420]  Anyway, and sadly, some of those folks didn't make it.
[53:46.420 --> 53:49.420]  Fortunately, some did, but that's another story, perhaps.
[53:49.420 --> 53:53.420]  In any case, I had this camera and I was at work
[53:53.420 --> 53:58.420]  and I heard what turned out to be the second plane striking the South Tower.
[53:58.420 --> 53:59.420]  I didn't hear the first one.
[53:59.420 --> 54:02.420]  I heard it, though, from my desk.
[54:02.420 --> 54:05.420]  And somebody said, hey, a plane hit the World Trade Center.
[54:05.420 --> 54:08.420]  And one of our guys came running in right after that old red face.
[54:08.420 --> 54:10.420]  He said, no, it's the second one, runner attack.
[54:10.420 --> 54:11.420]  I said, OK.
[54:11.420 --> 54:13.420]  So I went into action.
[54:13.420 --> 54:16.420]  I ran to the Dwyane Weed drug store and I bought four more of these instant cameras.
[54:16.420 --> 54:20.420]  And I started going around to take pictures, to document this.
[54:20.420 --> 54:24.420]  And I got to tell you the first thing, I went outside
[54:24.420 --> 54:30.420]  and the bottom of Church Street was blocked off, but it was surreal.
[54:30.420 --> 54:32.420]  It was like you were tripping on LSD.
[54:32.420 --> 54:35.420]  The whole place, the air was perfectly clear.
[54:35.420 --> 54:38.420]  It was like a dream, like you're watching a movie,
[54:38.420 --> 54:40.420]  but you were in a movie at the same time.
[54:40.420 --> 54:43.420]  And you're looking at these towers.
[54:43.420 --> 54:44.420]  And I used to smoke when I was younger.
[54:44.420 --> 54:47.420]  You know what happens when you accidentally light a cigarette,
[54:47.420 --> 54:50.420]  not at the tip, but close to the tip, and you take a puff.
[54:50.420 --> 54:55.420]  It glows from not the tip, but the part where you look.
[54:55.420 --> 54:58.420]  Well, that's what was happening with these towers.
[54:58.420 --> 55:00.420]  The part where it touches the paper.
[55:00.420 --> 55:05.420]  It was glowing from the wound, not from the top, not from the bottom,
[55:05.420 --> 55:09.420]  but the wind would come up and you could see some orange and black smoke.
[55:09.420 --> 55:11.420]  And nobody was afraid.
[55:11.420 --> 55:13.420]  It was like this frozen moment.
[55:13.420 --> 55:17.420]  You had nothing in your experience to relate this to.
[55:17.420 --> 55:20.420]  So it was kind of like a dream, but it was real.
[55:20.420 --> 55:22.420]  It was kind of like a movie, but you were in it.
[55:22.420 --> 55:25.420]  And people were looking at it and pointing.
[55:25.420 --> 55:27.420]  You know what combat's like.
[55:27.420 --> 55:32.420]  Well, fortunately I don't because I wasn't in combat except for this.
[55:32.420 --> 55:33.420]  That's what it's like.
[55:33.420 --> 55:34.420]  Right?
[55:34.420 --> 55:36.420]  So you hear all this stuff wasn't.
[55:36.420 --> 55:43.420]  So what I did was the street was blocked off and to cars.
[55:43.420 --> 55:47.420]  But I took I went and bought four disposable cameras,
[55:47.420 --> 55:49.420]  and I got some pictures I can show you guys.
[55:49.420 --> 55:51.420]  And I started to walk up Church Street.
[55:51.420 --> 55:54.420]  Now it was blocked to cars, but they didn't block it to people.
[55:54.420 --> 55:57.420]  But there was hardly anybody on the street.
[55:57.420 --> 56:01.420]  And Church Street, they call it Church Street because it's this ancient,
[56:01.420 --> 56:03.420]  probably one of the oldest churches in the United States.
[56:03.420 --> 56:07.420]  The Trinity Church is on that street.
[56:07.420 --> 56:11.420]  And it is it was the frontage street of the World Trade Center,
[56:11.420 --> 56:13.420]  three blocks north of there where I was.
[56:13.420 --> 56:17.420]  I was on Rector Street from the rectory of the church, three blocks north.
[56:17.420 --> 56:20.420]  Church Street is actually was the frontage of the World Trade Center.
[56:20.420 --> 56:24.420]  So I was only three blocks south at the corner of Rector.
[56:24.420 --> 56:28.420]  And these papers were coming down out of the sky.
[56:28.420 --> 56:32.420]  And in some cases, they were singed from fire.
[56:32.420 --> 56:35.420]  And I stopped to pick up these papers.
[56:35.420 --> 56:39.420]  Now, nobody thought there was a time frame involved.
[56:39.420 --> 56:43.420]  Nobody thought that anything was going to blow up or come down.
[56:43.420 --> 56:45.420]  So I didn't feel I was in danger.
[56:45.420 --> 56:46.420]  I didn't feel like I was in a hurry.
[56:46.420 --> 56:47.420]  I could spend time.
[56:47.420 --> 56:49.420]  I could stop and look at these papers.
[56:49.420 --> 56:51.420]  Something made me stop.
[56:51.420 --> 56:53.420]  And I bent down and I started looking at these papers.
[56:53.420 --> 56:56.420]  And I thought I saw stuff that even had today's data.
[56:56.420 --> 56:58.420]  I don't know if I was imagining it.
[56:58.420 --> 57:01.420]  And I was looking at it to see, were these from friends of mine?
[57:01.420 --> 57:03.420]  Or people that I knew?
[57:03.420 --> 57:06.420]  And that five minutes of stopping probably saved my life.
[57:06.420 --> 57:10.420]  Because that would have been the time that it would have taken me to go another three blocks north,
[57:10.420 --> 57:12.420]  which is where I was heading.
[57:12.420 --> 57:15.420]  I want to be right under the towers taking pictures.
[57:15.420 --> 57:18.420]  And I couldn't see the towers from where I was standing.
[57:18.420 --> 57:20.420]  But then I heard a noise.
[57:20.420 --> 57:30.420]  And that noise sounded to me very much like the same sound I heard when the jet was coming in to hit the north tower.
[57:30.420 --> 57:32.420]  It was getting louder and louder.
[57:32.420 --> 57:37.420]  It was going like that.
[57:37.420 --> 57:39.420]  I couldn't see the towers.
[57:39.420 --> 57:41.420]  And I thought, oh, my God, here comes another jet.
[57:41.420 --> 57:43.420]  Where is this thing coming from?
[57:43.420 --> 57:44.420]  Where is it going to hit?
[57:44.420 --> 57:48.420]  So I'm thinking, what wall should I brace myself against here?
[57:48.420 --> 57:50.420]  And I'm spinning around.
[57:50.420 --> 57:54.420]  And before I could find out, there's a big boom.
[57:54.420 --> 57:57.420]  And then I said, hey, it hit.
[57:57.420 --> 57:58.420]  But I'm OK.
[57:58.420 --> 57:59.420]  I'm still standing.
[57:59.420 --> 58:01.420]  I didn't get knocked down by any concussion.
[58:01.420 --> 58:02.420]  I'm doing all right.
[58:02.420 --> 58:08.420]  And the next thing I know, Mount St. Helens is coming down the street right at me.
[58:08.420 --> 58:14.420]  Church Street at that spot is like a trench because the church itself on the one side is high rises on the other.
[58:14.420 --> 58:16.420]  The church is a good 20 feet up, built up.
[58:16.420 --> 58:20.420]  So I see Mount St. Helens coming right down the trench right at me.
[58:20.420 --> 58:26.420]  I said, oh, but I'm OK because I know I can make it back to the corner to get into the building.
[58:26.420 --> 58:28.420]  So I'm back in my army mode.
[58:28.420 --> 58:31.420]  I snap off two shots of this thing coming at me.
[58:31.420 --> 58:32.420]  All right.
[58:32.420 --> 58:33.420]  And but it's OK because I'm close.
[58:33.420 --> 58:40.420]  I can get back to I run back to the corner and I get back to the corner to rector and church where I'm going to jump into this building.
[58:40.420 --> 58:42.420]  And it's coming from the other side of the street, too.
[58:42.420 --> 58:43.420]  So I take a picture of that.
[58:43.420 --> 58:45.420]  There's people running in front of it.
[58:45.420 --> 58:48.420]  But I'm still OK because I'm right there at the front door of the building.
[58:48.420 --> 58:52.420]  And unfortunately, the door of the building was notched out.
[58:52.420 --> 58:55.420]  If you know what I mean, it was underneath sort of an overhang.
[58:55.420 --> 58:56.420]  Right.
[58:56.420 --> 59:00.420]  So I go and I, you know, because stupid me, I'm taking pictures, but I'm OK.
[59:00.420 --> 59:01.420]  I know I can get in.
[59:01.420 --> 59:06.420]  But then I realize there's a line of people waiting to get in.
[59:06.420 --> 59:09.420]  And it's a revolving door.
[59:09.420 --> 59:11.420]  And I'm on the end of the line.
[59:11.420 --> 59:18.420]  And I say, there's no way I'm going to get inside this building before this stuff, whatever it is, comes.
[59:18.420 --> 59:21.420]  At least I'm not in the direct blast.
[59:21.420 --> 59:30.420]  I'm inside and sure enough, within a matter of moments, there was a great sucking sound that went like like that.
[59:30.420 --> 59:31.420]  And you couldn't see.
[59:31.420 --> 59:33.420]  You couldn't breathe.
[59:33.420 --> 59:40.420]  And fortunately, because we were right up against the glass of the lobby to this building, there's a little tiny bit of light coming in.
[59:40.420 --> 59:43.420]  But I didn't want to breathe this junk in this nano thermite.
[59:43.420 --> 59:45.420]  I didn't want to bring it in.
[59:45.420 --> 59:46.420]  I didn't know what it was at the time.
[59:46.420 --> 59:49.420]  But I thought to myself, I don't know if I'm going to make it.
[59:49.420 --> 59:52.420]  If I can't get in this building, I can't breathe.
[59:52.420 --> 59:57.420]  I felt like those people in Pompeii, you know, when you see the people who are running from the volcano.
[59:57.420 --> 01:00:09.420]  Fortunately, and in that moment, good friends, you say to yourself, am I am I man enough not to jump the line to the person in front of me?
[01:00:09.420 --> 01:00:12.420]  You know what I'm saying?
[01:00:12.420 --> 01:00:19.420]  Is anybody going to panic and jam the door and we're all dead?
[01:00:19.420 --> 01:00:23.420]  So all I did was I said, everybody take your turn one by one, everybody one.
[01:00:23.420 --> 01:00:25.420]  And I'm coughing and I'm choking.
[01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:26.420]  I'm trying not to breathe in.
[01:00:26.420 --> 01:00:28.420]  And that's exactly what people did.
[01:00:28.420 --> 01:00:31.420]  Women, men, everybody, they all took their turn.
[01:00:31.420 --> 01:00:32.420]  Nobody panicked.
[01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:35.420]  And when it was your turn, you got to go through the door.
[01:00:35.420 --> 01:00:41.420]  And as soon as you got in the lobby, you're coughing and choking and you're covered in this stuff.
[01:00:41.420 --> 01:00:45.420]  And there was this kid in the lobby who said, go upstairs, go upstairs.
[01:00:45.420 --> 01:00:46.420]  The air is better.
[01:00:46.420 --> 01:00:49.420]  Go upstairs because the lobby was all full of this stuff.
[01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:52.420]  And we went upstairs and that's where there was the lights were out.
[01:00:52.420 --> 01:00:53.420]  People were crying.
[01:00:53.420 --> 01:00:54.420]  People were praying.
[01:00:54.420 --> 01:00:56.420]  There was Jewish praying.
[01:00:56.420 --> 01:00:57.420]  There was Christian praying.
[01:00:57.420 --> 01:01:00.420]  There was every kind of praying you could imagine.
[01:01:00.420 --> 01:01:07.420]  And I found myself a utility closet that had a slop sink in it.
[01:01:07.420 --> 01:01:09.420]  And there was a woman was in worse shape than I was.
[01:01:09.420 --> 01:01:12.420]  And we kind of washed her face off and all that.
[01:01:12.420 --> 01:01:14.420]  And then when it was my turn, I washed my face off.
[01:01:14.420 --> 01:01:16.420]  I washed my mouth out.
[01:01:16.420 --> 01:01:18.420]  And I had a shirt on it.
[01:01:18.420 --> 01:01:20.420]  I still have that shirt.
[01:01:20.420 --> 01:01:25.420]  And I got it all wet so I could wrap it around my face so it wasn't breathing, whatever this stuff was.
[01:01:25.420 --> 01:01:26.420]  And I was up there for a good 20 minutes.
[01:01:26.420 --> 01:01:29.420]  And then we heard the tower came down.
[01:01:29.420 --> 01:01:32.420]  And I said, oh, my God.
[01:01:32.420 --> 01:01:34.420]  And this is how stupid I was.
[01:01:34.420 --> 01:01:35.420]  I was three blocks up.
[01:01:35.420 --> 01:01:38.420]  I thought, Jesus, this tower maybe came down on us.
[01:01:38.420 --> 01:01:41.420]  I might be stuck in this building for two weeks or something.
[01:01:41.420 --> 01:01:42.420]  Wait a minute. Wait a minute.
[01:01:42.420 --> 01:01:48.420]  Tom, Tom, are you saying that this cloud engulfed you guys?
[01:01:48.420 --> 01:01:52.420]  And then you heard the tower come down like 20 minutes later?
[01:01:52.420 --> 01:02:02.420]  No, no, what I'm what I'm saying was this is a fascinating point because I'm assuming the noise I heard was the tower coming down.
[01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:03.420]  But I don't know that for sure.
[01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:05.420]  It could have been an incoming something for all I know.
[01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:06.420]  That's what I thought it was.
[01:02:06.420 --> 01:02:09.420]  My impression was it was something incoming.
[01:02:09.420 --> 01:02:12.420]  OK, but then there was a boom.
[01:02:12.420 --> 01:02:18.420]  And I assumed all this time that the boom was when the tower, the rubble hit the bottom.
[01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:19.420]  And then all this Mount St.
[01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:21.420]  Helen stuff started coming.
[01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:29.420]  But once we got in the building at rectoring church, they they said it was that was the building coming down.
[01:02:29.420 --> 01:02:33.420]  The tower came down and that was the north tower.
[01:02:33.420 --> 01:02:38.420]  And I thought, oh, my goodness, logic told me it couldn't just come straight down.
[01:02:38.420 --> 01:02:39.420]  It must have fallen over.
[01:02:39.420 --> 01:02:43.420]  I thought maybe it's on top of maybe I'm going to be stuck in here.
[01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:52.420]  But about 20 minutes, 30 minutes later, I came downstairs and I could see the light was clearing outside and they were handing out these little dust masks in the lobby.
[01:02:52.420 --> 01:02:54.420]  Wait, wait, wait. Who is they? Who is they?
[01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:56.420]  It was the building.
[01:02:56.420 --> 01:03:01.420]  It was the building, the maintenance man from the building.
[01:03:01.420 --> 01:03:03.420]  He had these little dust masks.
[01:03:03.420 --> 01:03:05.420]  So you didn't want people to go outside without them.
[01:03:05.420 --> 01:03:08.420]  People didn't know how to put them on. They put them on upside down.
[01:03:08.420 --> 01:03:09.420]  I helped a couple of people.
[01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:16.420]  And then I stuck my head out and I saw that to the south where Battery Park is, the air was a lot clearer.
[01:03:16.420 --> 01:03:20.420]  So all I had to do is make it down about two blocks and I would be OK.
[01:03:20.420 --> 01:03:22.420]  But it looked like Hiroshima.
[01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:27.420]  When I walked outside, there was about almost six inches of dust in the street.
[01:03:27.420 --> 01:03:32.420]  Tom, was it was there still like a cloud engulfing the whole area when you left the building?
[01:03:32.420 --> 01:03:35.420]  It started to clear up towards the World Trade Center.
[01:03:35.420 --> 01:03:38.420]  And I'll have pictures. I can show you exactly what I saw.
[01:03:38.420 --> 01:03:41.420]  If you look north, it was still kind of cloudy.
[01:03:41.420 --> 01:03:44.420]  If you look south, you could start to see the sky again.
[01:03:44.420 --> 01:03:47.420]  But where you were, I was three blocks.
[01:03:47.420 --> 01:03:48.420]  Was there a cloud?
[01:03:48.420 --> 01:03:49.420]  It was dust. It was you could start.
[01:03:49.420 --> 01:03:51.420]  It was starting to clear up by the time I got out.
[01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:53.420]  When I first went in, it was dark.
[01:03:53.420 --> 01:03:57.420]  It was like night when I first went in that building 20 minutes before. So it was like Tom,
[01:03:57.420 --> 01:04:02.420]  do you have any of those papers that you said you picked up from the World Trade Center?
[01:04:02.420 --> 01:04:05.420]  I don't have papers, but I have the photos I took.
[01:04:05.420 --> 01:04:07.420]  And then I continue taking photos on my way home.
[01:04:07.420 --> 01:04:09.420]  I had to walk across the Brooklyn Bridge.
[01:04:09.420 --> 01:04:14.420]  I brought some people home with me and I still got the dust on my shoes.
[01:04:14.420 --> 01:04:16.420]  I want to give them shoes. Maybe.
[01:04:16.420 --> 01:04:18.420]  Are you kidding me?
[01:04:18.420 --> 01:04:23.420]  I never clean those shoes, so I should give those shoes to Dr. Jones.
[01:04:23.420 --> 01:04:26.420]  Yeah, I'd say so.
[01:04:26.420 --> 01:04:27.420]  Can I make a comment here?
[01:04:27.420 --> 01:04:33.420]  Lord Jesus, I had no idea, Tom. This is amazing.
[01:04:33.420 --> 01:04:35.420]  I'd like to make a comment here.
[01:04:35.420 --> 01:04:36.420]  Please.
[01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:46.420]  When I look back on my life, I once had a sit down with a guy where we compared near-death experiences.
[01:04:46.420 --> 01:04:50.420]  He would tell one and I would tell one and he would tell one.
[01:04:50.420 --> 01:04:53.420]  He ran out and I kept going.
[01:04:53.420 --> 01:04:57.420]  At one point, he asked me what the heck I was doing here.
[01:04:57.420 --> 01:05:09.420]  It gave me pause to look back and think, you know, all of those things were incredible opportunities.
[01:05:09.420 --> 01:05:17.420]  Tom, I kind of envy you this incredible opportunity that you had.
[01:05:17.420 --> 01:05:27.420]  You had an opportunity to be tested absolutely to the limit of death.
[01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:41.420]  And you will get to look back on that and say, when it was as bad as it could get, I stood patiently in line.
[01:05:41.420 --> 01:05:46.420]  Tom, I agree with Randy. Tom, you saved hundreds of people's lives that day.
[01:05:46.420 --> 01:05:48.420]  Well, I don't know if he did that or not.
[01:05:48.420 --> 01:05:51.420]  Well, I say so because he prevented the panic.
[01:05:51.420 --> 01:05:55.420]  Well, he sure proved his character.
[01:05:55.420 --> 01:06:11.420]  I'm a combat veteran and I don't feel like I really know someone until I've been in a really tough spot with them and see how they handle themselves.
[01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:17.420]  If I get in a really bad spot, I would want someone like Tom next to me.
[01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:25.420]  Well, you know, I thought about it and I am glad that I did have the character to wait my turn.
[01:06:25.420 --> 01:06:32.420]  But I also feel like what I probably should have done was let people behind me get in, especially women and people like that.
[01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:34.420]  You know, I think maybe that's what it was.
[01:06:34.420 --> 01:06:38.420]  But at the same time, I just kind of felt like I had taken about as much as I could take.
[01:06:38.420 --> 01:06:40.420]  I was holding my breath about as long as I could.
[01:06:40.420 --> 01:06:50.420]  I had to stuff down my lungs and everything, and I felt bad later that, you know, really, I probably if there was people behind me, I should have let them go.
[01:06:50.420 --> 01:06:54.420]  No, Tom, you said everyone take their turn.
[01:06:54.420 --> 01:06:59.420]  It was your turn. If you hadn't gone in when you did, you may not be sitting next to me right now.
[01:06:59.420 --> 01:07:02.420]  Well, not only that, but you may have disrupted everything else.
[01:07:02.420 --> 01:07:06.420]  Yeah, that's true, because then all the other guys would be like, oh, let the chicks go in.
[01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:08.420]  And then it would have been like pandemonium.
[01:07:08.420 --> 01:07:11.420]  Well, consider that you have all of these people.
[01:07:11.420 --> 01:07:14.420]  What does that say about us as human nature?
[01:07:14.420 --> 01:07:19.420]  Human nature, indeed, that in a panic situation, everyone would take their turn.
[01:07:19.420 --> 01:07:23.420]  When you all come to New York, I can tell you what, we get a bad rap about being gruff and all.
[01:07:23.420 --> 01:07:26.420]  But when push comes to shove, New Yorkers, we really.
[01:07:26.420 --> 01:07:28.420]  OK, wait a minute, Tom.
[01:07:28.420 --> 01:07:29.420]  No way.
[01:07:29.420 --> 01:07:34.420]  I went to New York and frankly, I was surprised.
[01:07:34.420 --> 01:07:42.420]  I will say the New York Police Department, at least my experience with them, was stellar, absolutely stellar.
[01:07:42.420 --> 01:07:44.420]  Most cops are great.
[01:07:44.420 --> 01:07:46.420]  You know, it's the bad apples that unfortunately.
[01:07:46.420 --> 01:07:48.420]  It goes to human nature.
[01:07:48.420 --> 01:07:51.420]  I'm encouraged by human nature.
[01:07:51.420 --> 01:07:56.420]  We hear all of this stuff about how horrible things are getting.
[01:07:56.420 --> 01:08:01.420]  I always go back to the nature of the human animal.
[01:08:01.420 --> 01:08:10.420]  We are trying. We have a number of instincts and a lot of people think that survival,
[01:08:10.420 --> 01:08:14.420]  individual survival is a primary instinct for the human animal.
[01:08:14.420 --> 01:08:16.420]  It is not.
[01:08:16.420 --> 01:08:21.420]  Survival of the group is the primary instinct of the human animal.
[01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:29.420]  And we will readily sacrifice our individual survival for the survival of the group.
[01:08:29.420 --> 01:08:38.420]  And if nothing else gives me hope that no matter what the elite tries to pull,
[01:08:38.420 --> 01:08:46.420]  the nature of the human animal will always prevail because we are.
[01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:51.420]  We have the character to withstand anything that can throw at us.
[01:08:51.420 --> 01:08:58.420]  And when they're finished doing everything they can do, we're still going to be here.
[01:08:58.420 --> 01:09:01.420]  We have people like Tom Kiley.
[01:09:01.420 --> 01:09:03.420]  And it's not just Tom Kiley.
[01:09:03.420 --> 01:09:14.420]  Tom Kiley standing in line with a whole group of random human beings who are as exceptional as he is.
[01:09:14.420 --> 01:09:16.420]  I can't think of anything more encouraging.
[01:09:16.420 --> 01:09:19.420]  Amazing. Absolutely incredible.
[01:09:19.420 --> 01:09:25.420]  Well, I said everybody in between chokes, take your turn one by one, one by one, everybody one by one.
[01:09:25.420 --> 01:09:29.420]  I didn't want to have a panic and have everybody trying to cut the line at the same time.
[01:09:29.420 --> 01:09:33.420]  I felt that was my service that I could provide.
[01:09:33.420 --> 01:09:36.420]  And that's what everybody did.
[01:09:36.420 --> 01:09:42.420]  I think the most incredible thing that you said is that's what everybody did.
[01:09:42.420 --> 01:09:47.420]  Yes, and that's exactly what happened at the Rainbow Gathering too when the feds came in
[01:09:47.420 --> 01:09:52.420]  and tear gassed Kitty Village and the parents and the grandparents and everything.
[01:09:52.420 --> 01:09:59.420]  The leaders stood up and said everybody just sit down.
[01:09:59.420 --> 01:10:03.420]  Everybody just sit down on the ground.
[01:10:03.420 --> 01:10:09.420]  And then they formed a human chain to keep back anybody who wasn't going to sit down.
[01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:16.420]  And that's what we need in these times of panic for people to just stand up
[01:10:16.420 --> 01:10:23.420]  and just calmly take the leadership and, you know, get everybody to chill out.
[01:10:23.420 --> 01:10:24.420]  I'm amazed.
[01:10:24.420 --> 01:10:30.420]  Well, if I could share with you guys an expression that I coined actually to sort of encapsulate what you just said.
[01:10:30.420 --> 01:10:34.420]  It was years before this experience, but it's the same kind of thing.
[01:10:34.420 --> 01:10:37.420]  I've seen this happen where, you know, you're in a panic.
[01:10:37.420 --> 01:10:41.420]  But if you actually succumb to the panic, you're going to be in worse trouble.
[01:10:41.420 --> 01:10:46.420]  And so I coined a phrase, panic is the enemy of Providence.
[01:10:46.420 --> 01:10:48.420]  How's that?
[01:10:48.420 --> 01:10:50.420]  Well put.
[01:10:50.420 --> 01:10:54.420]  You know, I talk about being a combat veteran.
[01:10:54.420 --> 01:10:56.420]  You're also a combat veteran.
[01:10:56.420 --> 01:11:01.420]  When you were talking about what you were experiencing,
[01:11:01.420 --> 01:11:07.420]  that was exactly what I remember experiencing.
[01:11:07.420 --> 01:11:13.420]  And now from years past, I look back on that.
[01:11:13.420 --> 01:11:21.420]  And those were the times in my life that turned out to be the most valuable.
[01:11:21.420 --> 01:11:28.420]  Those were the times when I was called to stand up and test myself.
[01:11:28.420 --> 01:11:31.420]  And I better understand the American Indians.
[01:11:31.420 --> 01:11:36.420]  They considered difficulty as opportunity.
[01:11:36.420 --> 01:11:41.420]  And I look back on the difficult times in my life when I had to make really,
[01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:50.420]  really hard choices about is my life more important than my honor and my dignity?
[01:11:50.420 --> 01:11:54.420]  And then when I get to look back on those,
[01:11:54.420 --> 01:12:05.420]  the opportunities I got to make those choices, that's really what defines my life.
[01:12:05.420 --> 01:12:11.420]  And frankly, Tom, you have just stepped up a number of notches in my history.
[01:12:11.420 --> 01:12:12.420]  God, I had no idea.
[01:12:12.420 --> 01:12:13.420]  This is incredible.
[01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:16.420]  Well, listen, guys, we have a caller on the line.
[01:12:16.420 --> 01:12:18.420]  The call screener just took a break.
[01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:20.420]  Do you all want to take this call?
[01:12:20.420 --> 01:12:21.420]  Yes.
[01:12:21.420 --> 01:12:22.420]  Fine.
[01:12:22.420 --> 01:12:24.420]  Caller, you're on the air.
[01:12:24.420 --> 01:12:29.420]  Do you have any comments concerning 9-11 or questions for us or Tom?
[01:12:29.420 --> 01:12:31.420]  Hey, Deborah and Randy.
[01:12:31.420 --> 01:12:32.420]  Oh, hey, Lisa.
[01:12:32.420 --> 01:12:40.420]  Lisa, I just wanted to say that I've been listening to you guys have your discussion.
[01:12:40.420 --> 01:12:46.420]  And, you know, I think I really began to get more involved in things that were going on
[01:12:46.420 --> 01:12:52.420]  and try to make a difference in the world when I started listening to your show back in the fall,
[01:12:52.420 --> 01:12:58.420]  when I heard you guys talking about making a difference.
[01:12:58.420 --> 01:13:03.420]  And then I was listening to Tom Kiley, who's always got great guests on,
[01:13:03.420 --> 01:13:09.420]  and he's the most polite host besides you guys.
[01:13:09.420 --> 01:13:10.420]  Oh, no, he is.
[01:13:10.420 --> 01:13:12.420]  He's way more polite than we are.
[01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:13.420]  No, no, he's way more polite.
[01:13:13.420 --> 01:13:15.420]  Even though he does talk funny.
[01:13:15.420 --> 01:13:17.420]  Well, by design.
[01:13:17.420 --> 01:13:19.420]  He is the most polite host on the network.
[01:13:19.420 --> 01:13:20.420]  It's true.
[01:13:20.420 --> 01:13:22.420]  Lisa, please call down my show.
[01:13:22.420 --> 01:13:23.420]  I'd love to hear from you.
[01:13:23.420 --> 01:13:25.420]  Please call down my show.
[01:13:25.420 --> 01:13:27.420]  He's so considerate.
[01:13:27.420 --> 01:13:31.420]  I mean, he's always very thoughtful to people, and he has great guests,
[01:13:31.420 --> 01:13:36.420]  and he's, you know, he's checked into what they're talking about.
[01:13:36.420 --> 01:13:40.420]  But listening to you guys, I just wanted to say, and then I'm going to get off,
[01:13:40.420 --> 01:13:48.420]  but I just wanted to say it's so refreshing to hear people, good people,
[01:13:48.420 --> 01:13:51.420]  because I myself have had so many tragedies.
[01:13:51.420 --> 01:13:53.420]  I'm a cancer survivor.
[01:13:53.420 --> 01:13:57.420]  I lost both my parents, and they were both ill, and I took care of them.
[01:13:57.420 --> 01:14:04.420]  And my relatives, who are very, run a church, a big megachurch in Denver,
[01:14:04.420 --> 01:14:09.420]  Colorado area, managed to take the estate of my family away,
[01:14:09.420 --> 01:14:14.420]  and I was an adopted child with no siblings and no kids.
[01:14:14.420 --> 01:14:21.420]  So it was a pretty rough thing to do, and I met my birth mother from Wales in 2005.
[01:14:21.420 --> 01:14:25.420]  And I just want to tell you this one thing that just happened to me,
[01:14:25.420 --> 01:14:29.420]  which is about the character of people.
[01:14:29.420 --> 01:14:30.420]  I met my cousin.
[01:14:30.420 --> 01:14:36.420]  She's my first cousin, I guess, back in October for the very first time.
[01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:43.420]  She came from England, and my birth mother died in November of 2008.
[01:14:43.420 --> 01:14:57.420]  I just received a letter in the mail that my cousin bequeathed the estate of my birth mother to me.
[01:14:57.420 --> 01:15:04.420]  And I just wanted to say that is character, that one person who didn't,
[01:15:04.420 --> 01:15:09.420]  you know, the family that knew me but didn't consider me a real blood relative
[01:15:09.420 --> 01:15:13.420]  wasn't there for me while I took care of my parents.
[01:15:13.420 --> 01:15:18.420]  And then the person that I met, the difference in kindness and character,
[01:15:18.420 --> 01:15:20.420]  it just makes such a difference.
[01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:24.420]  And to listen to what you guys have had to say, I had to call in,
[01:15:24.420 --> 01:15:33.420]  and to say that these stories really motivate people in the midst of really horrible things going on.
[01:15:33.420 --> 01:15:41.420]  Absolutely, and I have to say as a Christian, I believe we're created in the image of God, and God is good.
[01:15:41.420 --> 01:15:43.420]  That's what the Bible tells me.
[01:15:43.420 --> 01:15:45.420]  That means we are good too.
[01:15:45.420 --> 01:15:50.420]  I believe innately human nature is good.
[01:15:50.420 --> 01:15:57.420]  I believe that, and that it's evil forces that come in and corrupt the character of man,
[01:15:57.420 --> 01:16:02.420]  but innately we are good, and I like to see this shine through.
[01:16:02.420 --> 01:16:05.420]  Lisa, thank you so much for your great comments.
[01:16:05.420 --> 01:16:06.420]  Tom Kiley stepped up.
[01:16:06.420 --> 01:16:10.420]  I just wanted to say Tom Kiley stepped up.
[01:16:10.420 --> 01:16:12.420]  You stepped up, Tom and Dee.
[01:16:12.420 --> 01:16:19.420]  Well, I feel like the best stepping up I can do is to use my talents in communication
[01:16:19.420 --> 01:16:24.420]  and my interest in history and my curious mind to get to the bottom of things.
[01:16:24.420 --> 01:16:28.420]  When I go find things that I know good people want to hear about,
[01:16:28.420 --> 01:16:31.420]  that's where I shine and I like to bring them.
[01:16:31.420 --> 01:16:33.420]  Please call back during my show one night.
[01:16:33.420 --> 01:16:37.420]  I will, and thank you for the good show.
[01:16:37.420 --> 01:16:38.420]  Thank you very much.
[01:16:38.420 --> 01:16:39.420]  All right, we're going to break now.
[01:16:39.420 --> 01:16:41.420]  We've got John from Austin on the line.
[01:16:41.420 --> 01:16:43.420]  John, we'll take your call on the other side.
[01:16:43.420 --> 01:16:47.420]  This is the Rule of Law, very special edition with Tom Kiley.
[01:16:47.420 --> 01:16:58.420]  I'll be right back.
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[01:18:08.420 --> 01:18:20.420]  You ain't gonna blind me, don't fool me.
[01:18:20.420 --> 01:18:29.420]  Well, you ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:29.420 --> 01:18:34.420]  I was blindsided but now I can see your way.
[01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:39.420]  You put the fear in my pocket, shook my knees by my ass.
[01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:48.420]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again.
[01:18:48.420 --> 01:19:08.420]  Ain't gonna drop me with that same old sucker punch.
[01:19:08.420 --> 01:19:13.420]  I get it now but then I must have been out of your mind.
[01:19:13.420 --> 01:19:18.420]  Back then you had room to move but now you're feeling the drive.
[01:19:18.420 --> 01:19:40.420]  Ain't gonna get me with that same old sucker punch.
[01:19:40.420 --> 01:19:49.420]  Well, you ain't gonna please me with that same old sad song.
[01:19:49.420 --> 01:19:54.420]  You thought you were on but now you got it all wrong.
[01:19:54.420 --> 01:19:59.420]  It was a weak moment for me but I had the power all along.
[01:19:59.420 --> 01:20:24.420]  Ain't gonna please me with that same old sad song.
[01:20:24.420 --> 01:20:29.420]  Ain't gonna bore me with that same old bundle of lies.
[01:20:29.420 --> 01:20:34.420]  Your arrogance is absurd, don't know why you even try.
[01:20:34.420 --> 01:20:54.420]  Ain't gonna see my sweet republic re-analyze. Ain't gonna blind me with that same old bucket of lies.
[01:20:54.420 --> 01:21:08.420]  Ain't gonna blind me.
[01:21:08.420 --> 01:21:18.420]  Ain't gonna fool me.
[01:21:18.420 --> 01:21:26.420]  Ain't gonna drop me.
[01:21:26.420 --> 01:21:29.420]  Ain't gonna please me.
[01:21:29.420 --> 01:21:36.420]  Okay, they ain't gonna fool us. Tom Kiley was there.
[01:21:36.420 --> 01:21:41.420]  Jerry and Patterson and I wrote a song about it. I'm on the air about it.
[01:21:41.420 --> 01:21:46.420]  I ain't gonna stop until this is done.
[01:21:46.420 --> 01:21:49.420]  I'm serious, man. It's do or die with me.
[01:21:49.420 --> 01:21:59.420]  The whole reason I got into this was for 9-Eleven and it's an odd situation that I feel so strongly about it because I had never been to New York.
[01:21:59.420 --> 01:22:03.420]  Well, actually I had been there one time. I had only passed through.
[01:22:03.420 --> 01:22:05.420]  Well, we gotta do a show from there.
[01:22:05.420 --> 01:22:16.420]  But the thing is, I couldn't help but feel, how would I feel if Jerry was in that building, okay?
[01:22:16.420 --> 01:22:24.420]  I can't imagine what it must be like for the Jersey girls and all the other people who lost their loved ones.
[01:22:24.420 --> 01:22:26.420]  Can I tell you something, Deborah, about that?
[01:22:26.420 --> 01:22:33.420]  I worked with people in the World Trade Center. I worked for a financial software company at the time.
[01:22:33.420 --> 01:22:42.420]  In fact, I was scheduled to be at the Bank of Nova Scotia across the street on Liberty and Church, right across the street.
[01:22:42.420 --> 01:22:46.420]  Later on, they said they thought the foundations of that building may have been damaged.
[01:22:46.420 --> 01:22:51.420]  They didn't let anybody in it. At 2 o'clock that afternoon, I saved my records.
[01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:58.420]  The last time I was up with the guys and gals in Cantor Fitzgerald was the 5th of September.
[01:22:58.420 --> 01:23:06.420]  And I gotta tell you, you know, I knew a lot of people up there.
[01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:10.420]  I didn't go to work for about a week afterwards. I don't think anybody did.
[01:23:10.420 --> 01:23:18.420]  They were trying to reach me actually because I had to restore data for them in their emergency center in New Jersey.
[01:23:18.420 --> 01:23:25.420]  But I called. I heard on the radio they had a hotline. If you want to know about people from Cantor, you could call.
[01:23:25.420 --> 01:23:31.420]  And I called and I lost it. I asked about a couple of the closest people that I worked with.
[01:23:31.420 --> 01:23:38.420]  And unfortunately, one of them, and by the way, he's Jewish, so the stuff about Jewish people were warned.
[01:23:38.420 --> 01:23:42.420]  That's not true as far as I know. He didn't make it.
[01:23:42.420 --> 01:23:46.420]  But there was a very interesting irony. You're talking about human stories tonight.
[01:23:46.420 --> 01:23:51.420]  There's one guy that I worked with who used to get there at 7.30 every morning.
[01:23:51.420 --> 01:24:02.420]  He used to get there really early every morning. And they had just laid off 50 people the day before on Monday, September the 10th.
[01:24:02.420 --> 01:24:09.420]  And this guy was so upset about that fact, he couldn't sleep well that night.
[01:24:09.420 --> 01:24:19.420]  And because of that, he got up late that day. And because of that, he was going up the escalator just when the plane hit.
[01:24:19.420 --> 01:24:30.420]  So the fact that he was so upset saved his life because otherwise he would have gotten into work at his normal time and he would have been up there.
[01:24:30.420 --> 01:24:38.420]  Conversely, he told me later and I called and I asked about this guy and I lost it because I expected it because I knew he was in every morning at 7.30.
[01:24:38.420 --> 01:24:45.420]  But they told me he was OK. And the other person I was closest to, I wasn't worried about him too much because he used to come in about 11.
[01:24:45.420 --> 01:24:51.420]  But afterwards, I met with this guy and this fellow that I'm talking about, he's been changed every time I saw him.
[01:24:51.420 --> 01:24:55.420]  He's a different person now. I don't think he's doing too well.
[01:24:55.420 --> 01:25:06.420]  But he told me about another guy who worked at that company. He used to come in every day at about 9 o'clock, which in the financial services business is kind of lackadaisical.
[01:25:06.420 --> 01:25:16.420]  And he said that guy was not laid off the day before and he felt bad that they were laying people off.
[01:25:16.420 --> 01:25:23.420]  So he decided to straighten up and fly right. And he went in early that day and he didn't make it.
[01:25:23.420 --> 01:25:28.420]  So here you have two people based on the same event.
[01:25:28.420 --> 01:25:37.420]  One who should have been there at 7.30 in the morning and who didn't go because he was so upset about his friends being laid off in this big company.
[01:25:37.420 --> 01:25:47.420]  And another guy who used to show up at 9 o'clock every day or 9.30 who would have been fine if he just stuck to his normal schedule,
[01:25:47.420 --> 01:25:54.420]  but who felt bad because of the layoffs that happened the day before. And he wanted to start to make himself look better.
[01:25:54.420 --> 01:26:01.420]  So he got in early and unfortunately he was there for the strike. So I just I want to share that too.
[01:26:01.420 --> 01:26:13.420]  That's I thought that was a very interesting, you know, you know, oftentimes we see the video and we know the history, but we don't know about the people.
[01:26:13.420 --> 01:26:17.420]  You know, we don't know about the people who were there, you know, and I knew a lot of these folks.
[01:26:17.420 --> 01:26:22.420]  Let me tell you another thing, good friend, since we're on the subject and I don't mind sharing this because.
[01:26:22.420 --> 01:26:25.420]  And John and Rick will get to you. Just let Tom finish.
[01:26:25.420 --> 01:26:28.420]  I don't mind sharing his friends because this is the people.
[01:26:28.420 --> 01:26:38.420]  OK, and this is something that when these bastards pull this kind of stuff for their evil gains and so forth, you know, there's real people involved.
[01:26:38.420 --> 01:26:44.420]  Let me tell you something else that happened. I was like my wife, by the way, was in Europe on business at the time,
[01:26:44.420 --> 01:26:51.420]  and she knew that I had business up at the top of the World Trade Center and she didn't know what was going on with me.
[01:26:51.420 --> 01:26:55.420]  And she was making phone calls and she couldn't get through.
[01:26:55.420 --> 01:26:59.420]  And I knew she was going to be worried about me and I couldn't get through to her.
[01:26:59.420 --> 01:27:04.420]  So I called her parents in Pennsylvania, hoping that maybe I could get through them, hoping that maybe she gets there.
[01:27:04.420 --> 01:27:06.420]  So she eventually found out I was OK.
[01:27:06.420 --> 01:27:12.420]  She's watching cancer Fitzgerald crumble on TV over there and not able to get through.
[01:27:12.420 --> 01:27:19.420]  So she was in a bad state. And by the way, it took her a week to get back to the States because of the flight, the no fly situation.
[01:27:19.420 --> 01:27:27.420]  So I'm by myself in New York for a week and I didn't go back to work. I just I was in communicado. I was in shock.
[01:27:27.420 --> 01:27:31.420]  I didn't go back to work even though I found out later they were trying to get in touch with me.
[01:27:31.420 --> 01:27:37.420]  I don't know. The phones weren't working too good. But when I did go back, it was a week later.
[01:27:37.420 --> 01:27:44.420]  And I came up out of the subway in lower Manhattan was the first I live in Brooklyn and I used to take the last stop in Brooklyn.
[01:27:44.420 --> 01:27:48.420]  I get out the first stop in Manhattan. It looked like a police state.
[01:27:48.420 --> 01:27:56.420]  There was the National Guard was all over the military was all they weren't letting you out of the subway unless you could prove to them with I.D.
[01:27:56.420 --> 01:28:00.420]  and so forth that you worked in the neighborhood. OK.
[01:28:00.420 --> 01:28:07.420]  So and the air stunk of this burning plastic and everything for weeks and weeks and weeks.
[01:28:07.420 --> 01:28:17.420]  It was a strange deal. But when I did get back to work a week later, they said, oh, Tom, we're trying to get in touch with you because I worked actually on
[01:28:17.420 --> 01:28:24.420]  the backup system at Cantor. My I fix it so that when they were making their trades, a copy would go to New Jersey all the time.
[01:28:24.420 --> 01:28:29.420]  So we had all that data and they needed to restore that their London office was going to take over.
[01:28:29.420 --> 01:28:39.420]  And they had set up they had set up a temporary office in New Jersey at a phone company building at a bunker.
[01:28:39.420 --> 01:28:47.420]  And there was a lot of corporations helping each other out at that time, given these people, you know, a place to set up shop.
[01:28:47.420 --> 01:28:54.420]  So I went out to New Jersey. I worked for like three weeks straight going to New Jersey to Cantor and a bunch of other companies around the clock.
[01:28:54.420 --> 01:28:58.420]  But when I got there to cancer, to cancer Fitzgerald.
[01:28:58.420 --> 01:29:06.420]  Now, you have to consider I worked with a lot of people. I didn't know who made it and who didn't.
[01:29:06.420 --> 01:29:12.420]  There was people who I didn't even know what their name was, but I would see them every day.
[01:29:12.420 --> 01:29:19.420]  And I would wonder, I don't even know what that that person's name is. Are they OK?
[01:29:19.420 --> 01:29:25.420]  And I showed up a week later, they were all set up and it was amazing to go around.
[01:29:25.420 --> 01:29:32.420]  First of all, these people were you have to consider these are people that that just lost so many of their compatriots.
[01:29:32.420 --> 01:29:36.420]  And they were soldiering on, you know, they were doing a pretty good job.
[01:29:36.420 --> 01:29:39.420]  Sometimes people weren't making out so well once in a while.
[01:29:39.420 --> 01:29:48.420]  But I got to tell you, I walked up to people and I hugged people and I didn't even know what their name was and they didn't even know what my name was.
[01:29:48.420 --> 01:29:54.420]  And they said to me, I was wondering if you were OK.
[01:29:54.420 --> 01:29:58.420]  And they didn't know I didn't work there because I was there so much as a consultant.
[01:29:58.420 --> 01:30:04.420]  And they said and I said the same thing, I don't even know what your name is, but I was wondering if you were OK.
[01:30:04.420 --> 01:30:11.420]  And I'm talking about young kids that are just starting out their careers and stuff, who for one reason or another, they weren't there that morning.
[01:30:11.420 --> 01:30:17.420]  And one guy just walked up to me and hugged me and he said, he says, I was wondering if you're OK.
[01:30:17.420 --> 01:30:21.420]  I seen you, you know, so many times that I didn't see. I'm so glad now it's a week later.
[01:30:21.420 --> 01:30:26.420]  I see that you're all right. And I have to explain that I wasn't even really an employee.
[01:30:26.420 --> 01:30:34.420]  I was up there a lot, but I was a consultant. That kind of humanity, you know, gives me
[01:30:34.420 --> 01:30:42.420]  confidence that we're on the right track, we're doing the right thing, that that's what humanity really is.
[01:30:42.420 --> 01:30:46.420]  To Randy's point earlier, that's what real people are.
[01:30:46.420 --> 01:30:55.420]  You've got to be way, way sophisticated up and out and separated from that before you're willing to pull something like this off,
[01:30:55.420 --> 01:31:01.420]  before you want to amass power and control and money for what?
[01:31:01.420 --> 01:31:06.420]  OK, so that that's what gets me keeps me going.
[01:31:06.420 --> 01:31:11.420]  And fortunately, I was already starting to report before this because of the election in 2000.
[01:31:11.420 --> 01:31:16.420]  But and this, in fact, September 11th actually prevented I.N.
[01:31:16.420 --> 01:31:21.420]  from going on the air for a few months because we had the I.N. studio is only six blocks north.
[01:31:21.420 --> 01:31:28.420]  Below Canal Street, you know, you couldn't even get below Canal Street for weeks unless you could show like a con ed,
[01:31:28.420 --> 01:31:33.420]  a power bill or something that showed the proof that you live down there. The cops wouldn't even let you go down there.
[01:31:33.420 --> 01:31:38.420]  But these are the kinds of you know, these are the kinds of things that that that went on.
[01:31:38.420 --> 01:31:43.420]  It was an amazing experience for me to see people. I didn't even know what their names were.
[01:31:43.420 --> 01:31:48.420]  And we just hugged each other. I'm glad you're OK. I don't even know who you are.
[01:31:48.420 --> 01:31:53.420]  But I see I used to see every day and I want to make a comment here.
[01:31:53.420 --> 01:31:57.420]  Tom, the experience you're describing.
[01:31:57.420 --> 01:32:05.420]  I feel in my heart and my spirit, this is normal. This is normal human nature.
[01:32:05.420 --> 01:32:15.420]  OK, the people who pull off 9-11 and all these other false flag ops and all the mass murders and the genocide and everything.
[01:32:15.420 --> 01:32:21.420]  We have to realize they are in a completely different mindset than we are.
[01:32:21.420 --> 01:32:24.420]  They're not normal. They're separated from humanity.
[01:32:24.420 --> 01:32:28.420]  They're totally separated from humanity. They see us as cannon fodder.
[01:32:28.420 --> 01:32:34.420]  They have no regard for human life whatsoever. OK, and that is not the norm.
[01:32:34.420 --> 01:32:42.420]  What you're describing, your experience and your compatriots, that is normal human nature.
[01:32:42.420 --> 01:32:49.420]  And we need to cling on to that and bond with each other because we can overcome these evil ones
[01:32:49.420 --> 01:32:55.420]  who are less than a tenth of a millionth of a percent of the population and they think they have all the control.
[01:32:55.420 --> 01:32:59.420]  But we can overcome that.
[01:32:59.420 --> 01:33:09.420]  I have a comment. Just recently I was thrown in jail and I really hate that.
[01:33:09.420 --> 01:33:18.420]  And every time I get thrown in jail, there are those who tell me that I overreact and it's all my fault.
[01:33:18.420 --> 01:33:21.420]  I should be more careful. I should handle myself different.
[01:33:21.420 --> 01:33:23.420]  Oh yeah, that's what I said.
[01:33:23.420 --> 01:33:27.420]  And it's difficult. It's a pain in the butt.
[01:33:27.420 --> 01:33:33.420]  But, you know, when I look back on it, that's why I'm here.
[01:33:33.420 --> 01:33:44.420]  If life was easy, it wouldn't be valuable. And frankly, sitting here listening to your story,
[01:33:44.420 --> 01:33:52.420]  it sounds kind of, you know, inane. You're all standing waiting to go through a revolving door.
[01:33:52.420 --> 01:33:55.420]  How big a deal can that be?
[01:33:55.420 --> 01:34:05.420]  Well, when you're talking about breathing and seconds mean the matter of life and death, it's a big deal.
[01:34:05.420 --> 01:34:15.420]  Yeah, exactly. And we have ordinary, everyday people that you see moving around the streets every day
[01:34:15.420 --> 01:34:24.420]  that when they are put in an incredibly dangerous situation, what do they do?
[01:34:24.420 --> 01:34:29.420]  They stand there patiently and wait their turn.
[01:34:29.420 --> 01:34:31.420]  I love it. I love it. We're winning.
[01:34:31.420 --> 01:34:40.420]  What greater affirmation of our humanity could I ever hear than that?
[01:34:40.420 --> 01:34:44.420]  If I ever had any doubt, you know, when I was sitting in that jail cell the other day,
[01:34:44.420 --> 01:34:49.420]  it was really frustrating and really depressing.
[01:34:49.420 --> 01:34:54.420]  And then I hear Tom Kiley tell about this and I'm ashamed of myself.
[01:34:54.420 --> 01:35:00.420]  Well, Randy and Tom, I want to tell you all just a quick story just to go along these lines.
[01:35:00.420 --> 01:35:08.420]  This is a couple of years ago. I'm driving down Mopac here in Austin to work, heading north on Mopac from 360.
[01:35:08.420 --> 01:35:12.420]  And, you know, just cruising along like I always do, you know, midday.
[01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:26.420]  And all of a sudden I see this huge like explosion, okay, near the bridge where Barton, I believe it's Barton Oaks,
[01:35:26.420 --> 01:35:31.420]  okay, where it crosses over the bridge, Barton Skyway, sorry.
[01:35:31.420 --> 01:35:36.420]  And I was like, what's going on? And then all of a sudden it's just like this engulfing smoke everywhere
[01:35:36.420 --> 01:35:38.420]  and everybody's slamming on their brakes.
[01:35:38.420 --> 01:35:44.420]  Well, it turns out there was a pickup truck that I don't know why it happened.
[01:35:44.420 --> 01:35:50.420]  He turned upside down, caught on fire. The truck was on fire.
[01:35:50.420 --> 01:35:54.420]  All right. And I'm slowing down. Everybody's slowing down to get around it.
[01:35:54.420 --> 01:35:56.420]  What are we going to do? Okay.
[01:35:56.420 --> 01:36:02.420]  I see about 20 cars pull over on the side of the road.
[01:36:02.420 --> 01:36:17.420]  Men and women both jumping out of their cars and running like H-E-L-L towards that truck to save the person or persons that was inside.
[01:36:17.420 --> 01:36:25.420]  And my spirit, my heart said, don't stop. There's plenty of people helping already. You need to move on.
[01:36:25.420 --> 01:36:34.420]  Okay. So that's what the Lord told me to do. So that's what I did. And I don't feel guilty that I didn't stop because that's what the spirit told me to do.
[01:36:34.420 --> 01:36:41.420]  But at any rate, to see that, total strangers. People don't know.
[01:36:41.420 --> 01:36:47.420]  Well, you'd want them to do that for you. And if there's plenty of people, then there's plenty of people.
[01:36:47.420 --> 01:36:53.420]  There's no need for you if the situation's well in hand. But it's only what people would want others to do for them, right?
[01:36:53.420 --> 01:36:57.420]  Exactly. Well, do you guys want to take some calls?
[01:36:57.420 --> 01:37:00.420]  Yes. I have one other story I'd like to relate.
[01:37:00.420 --> 01:37:01.420]  Okay.
[01:37:01.420 --> 01:37:08.420]  I was northbound on I-35. A car in front of me, a truck cut in front of the car.
[01:37:08.420 --> 01:37:17.420]  The car swerved, went off on the shoulder and flipped over and spun so fast that it was simply a blur.
[01:37:17.420 --> 01:37:26.420]  It spun down and slammed into the bottom of the embankment. It was a ditch that went down one side, up the other side.
[01:37:26.420 --> 01:37:30.420]  It spun down the slope and slammed into the bottom.
[01:37:30.420 --> 01:37:36.420]  Well, I was right behind the car. So when it spun down the embankment, I just dove in behind it.
[01:37:36.420 --> 01:37:40.420]  When it stopped at the bottom, by the time it stopped, I was bailing out.
[01:37:40.420 --> 01:37:46.420]  The car is upside down. Fuel is dribbling, is draining everywhere.
[01:37:46.420 --> 01:37:50.420]  The car is smoking. I'm expecting it to erupt any minute.
[01:37:50.420 --> 01:37:56.420]  I run and rip the door open and this black woman is hanging upside down in the car.
[01:37:56.420 --> 01:37:59.420]  Her face has went through the windshield, blood everywhere.
[01:37:59.420 --> 01:38:04.420]  And she's telling me to go away. Don't touch me. Leave me alone.
[01:38:04.420 --> 01:38:09.420]  And I just ignore her. I pop the seatbelt, drag her out and drag her up the embankment.
[01:38:09.420 --> 01:38:14.420]  And pick the glass out of her face and kind of get a rag over and stop the blood.
[01:38:14.420 --> 01:38:18.420]  It wasn't 10 minutes. An ambulance showed up.
[01:38:18.420 --> 01:38:25.420]  The ambulance showed up. I went back to my car and I pulled out some paper towels and I'm wiping the blood off of me.
[01:38:25.420 --> 01:38:30.420]  And this ambulance driver came over to me and said, you can't leave.
[01:38:30.420 --> 01:38:33.420]  I said, well, what's the problem?
[01:38:33.420 --> 01:38:42.420]  It turned out this woman is hanging upside down in this car that's about to explode from the fuel and the heat.
[01:38:42.420 --> 01:38:52.420]  It was a nurse and she had been pricked with a needle and had AIDS.
[01:38:52.420 --> 01:39:06.420]  She was telling me to leave her in that car that was likely to explode into flames and burn her to death rather than risk me touching her blood.
[01:39:06.420 --> 01:39:11.420]  That was one of the more incredible experiences I ever got to have in my life.
[01:39:11.420 --> 01:39:17.420]  Human beings are incredible creatures. That's the test.
[01:39:17.420 --> 01:39:21.420]  Amazing. All right, let's go to some calls. We're going to go to John from Austin.
[01:39:21.420 --> 01:39:26.420]  Please call back in. Sorry, we made our callers wait, but this is a special night.
[01:39:26.420 --> 01:39:32.420]  We're going to go to Rick from California. Hey, Rick, comments?
[01:39:32.420 --> 01:39:35.420]  How's it going? How are you guys doing today?
[01:39:35.420 --> 01:39:39.420]  It's going great. This is one of the best shows we've ever had. What's going on, Rick?
[01:39:39.420 --> 01:39:43.420]  Wait a minute, Rick. How did you know? I've been wondering what in the heck happened.
[01:39:43.420 --> 01:39:50.420]  Yeah, really, dude. You've been calling in regularly for two years now and kicking drugs out there.
[01:39:50.420 --> 01:39:53.420]  For the last couple of days, I was thinking, what in the heck has happened to Rick?
[01:39:53.420 --> 01:39:59.420]  We want to hear that you got the police chief fired and the judge removed. What's going on?
[01:39:59.420 --> 01:40:07.420]  Well, first off, I actually called to say hi to you guys because I had seen that Randy had gotten into some trouble.
[01:40:07.420 --> 01:40:13.420]  So I'm going to make sure he was out. And I'm glad to hear that you are safe now, Randy.
[01:40:13.420 --> 01:40:17.420]  And I also wanted to give you guys an update. I went to court, okay?
[01:40:17.420 --> 01:40:21.420]  Now, I said, you know what? I'm not scared of anybody.
[01:40:21.420 --> 01:40:28.420]  I think it's not a crime because the court is open to the public, so we should have the right to the court.
[01:40:28.420 --> 01:40:30.420]  So I did, and I put it on YouTube.
[01:40:30.420 --> 01:40:39.420]  And I saw basically the judge telling me that he said that I had a right to travel. I was not driving.
[01:40:39.420 --> 01:40:45.420]  I was traveling. And he said, well, I consented. And I asked him, I never consented. He said, implied or expressed?
[01:40:45.420 --> 01:40:51.420]  He goes, and you signed that driver's license, and it's a contract. So I got him saying all this stuff, and it's on YouTube now.
[01:40:51.420 --> 01:40:56.420]  So you guys might want to have your guys go there. And I think I did okay. I did decent.
[01:40:56.420 --> 01:41:05.420]  I mixed some of David Merlin. I mixed some of Sam Davis. I mixed some from 1215.org.
[01:41:05.420 --> 01:41:13.420]  Can you give us a link or can you give us your YouTube ID or your – so we can look it up?
[01:41:13.420 --> 01:41:37.420]  Yes, it's YouTube.com forward slash tactical guy and the number one. So it's spelled T-A-C-T-I-K-A-L-G-U-Y-1, the number one, not spelled out one.
[01:41:37.420 --> 01:41:45.420]  And I also showed that I did not have to pay the $201 for the expo registration.
[01:41:45.420 --> 01:41:49.420]  Okay. I need to make a confession.
[01:41:49.420 --> 01:41:50.420]  Okay.
[01:41:50.420 --> 01:41:57.420]  And to you, Rick, I owe an apology.
[01:41:57.420 --> 01:42:16.420]  I grew up in the inner city in Chicago on the near north side. And when you first called in, you sounded to me like a Chicago street punk.
[01:42:16.420 --> 01:42:28.420]  You did with the Latino accent. And I did my best to help, but I thought, you know, this is just like a hundred guys I've known.
[01:42:28.420 --> 01:42:39.420]  And then Rick, over time, kept calling back. And the folks who are hearing Rick now hear an entirely different human being.
[01:42:39.420 --> 01:42:44.420]  Now, Rick, aren't you in law school or you were in law school or something like that? Is that right?
[01:42:44.420 --> 01:42:48.420]  No, no, no. I was actually getting close to starting law school.
[01:42:48.420 --> 01:42:55.420]  But I've actually had to stop going to school because of all these cases that I have.
[01:42:55.420 --> 01:42:58.420]  You know, I mean, I have over 12 tickets right now.
[01:42:58.420 --> 01:43:06.420]  Yeah. Well, the thing I wanted to say is Rick has embarrassed me for my first impression.
[01:43:06.420 --> 01:43:16.420]  Well, Rick, I hope you really kicked their butts because I am very upset that your education has been delayed because of all these erroneous tickets.
[01:43:16.420 --> 01:43:20.420]  Now, wait a minute. Wait. I don't think it's been delayed. I think this is the best education he's had.
[01:43:20.420 --> 01:43:21.420]  Well, okay. That's true.
[01:43:21.420 --> 01:43:23.420]  Well, look at Rick. This guy is...
[01:43:23.420 --> 01:43:30.420]  Actually, you're right, Randy. This is a better education than he would get in law school because in law school, all they would tell him to do is kick the judge's, is to kiss the judge's butt.
[01:43:30.420 --> 01:43:37.420]  Yeah. You listen to Rick now, he's clearly one of our more sophisticated callers.
[01:43:37.420 --> 01:43:42.420]  All right. Well, listen, we're going to break. We've got one more segment left. We also have George from Texas.
[01:43:42.420 --> 01:43:43.420]  Hang on, Rick.
[01:43:43.420 --> 01:43:44.420]  Hang on the line, Rick.
[01:43:44.420 --> 01:43:45.420]  I want to insult you after break.
[01:43:45.420 --> 01:43:50.420]  Oh, man. Randy, why do you got to give the caller such a hard time?
[01:43:50.420 --> 01:43:53.420]  He can't talk nicely without giving something back.
[01:43:53.420 --> 01:43:57.420]  All right. We'll be right back.
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[01:45:34.420 --> 01:45:44.420]  Some things in this world that I will never understand. Some things I realize foolish.
[01:45:44.420 --> 01:45:54.420]  Somebody's gonna police the policemen. Somebody's gonna bully the bully. I know what y'all will.
[01:45:54.420 --> 01:46:05.420]  That's right. Somebody's gonna police the policemen. That's us. Somebody's gonna bully the bully. That is us. And Rick, and Wendy, and all our listeners, and all our callers.
[01:46:05.420 --> 01:46:16.420]  And Tom Kiley, of course, and Randy Kelton, and myself, and Jerry Stevens, and Patterson Martin, and many others. West. Way out west, of course.
[01:46:16.420 --> 01:46:28.420]  Come back to me. Okay. All right. You had some comments for Rick. Yes. When we went out, I grew up outside of Chicago.
[01:46:28.420 --> 01:46:48.420]  It was an area of the city that was a very rich neighborhood. And then it moved to Puerto Rico. So I grew up with this... Randy? Yes.
[01:46:48.420 --> 01:46:59.420]  Puerto Ricans beat the crowd out of me all my life. So when Rick first came on, he kept all of the memories of the neighborhood I grew up in.
[01:46:59.420 --> 01:47:24.420]  And then over time, he absolutely embarrassed me. And I keep doing it, actually, all the time. That I tend to these stereotypes. And then I find incredible beings simply destroy the stereotype.
[01:47:24.420 --> 01:47:42.420]  Rick? Yes, Rick. Indeed. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, Tom. I was just sharing with Randy on the break. You know, a very, very wise man taught me one time,
[01:47:42.420 --> 01:47:55.420]  your first impression is what it is. Okay? It's what your mind jumps to. And that's not necessarily good or bad. It just is what it is.
[01:47:55.420 --> 01:48:04.420]  In the next moment, however, when we act on it or don't act on it, that's where the morality comes in. That's where our wisdom can come in.
[01:48:04.420 --> 01:48:14.420]  You know, we can look at somebody on the subway sitting across from us and they got a grimace on their face and we can say, oh, that's not a good person. You know, I better watch out for that guy.
[01:48:14.420 --> 01:48:25.420]  Well, okay. That was our first impression. Fact is, maybe they ate something they don't like and they're a great person and they just don't feel well or something. We don't know. But that's what our impression is, right?
[01:48:25.420 --> 01:48:36.420]  And so to have the discipline to not act on our first impressions. But guess what? Good friends, the people who plotted 9 11 are taking advantage of that.
[01:48:36.420 --> 01:48:45.420]  They know that our first impression, most of us don't have the discipline right to check our first impression.
[01:48:45.420 --> 01:48:58.420]  And that's why you've got hijackers who don't really know how to fly planes. Maybe they didn't even need to know how to fly planes. Maybe those planes were remote controlled. They were just there to cover the fact that the planes were remote controlled.
[01:48:58.420 --> 01:49:08.420]  I don't know. But that's what our first impressions. Why? Because, you know, we're in a panic. But the plotters, they're cool, calm and relaxed. They got the press releases all lined up.
[01:49:08.420 --> 01:49:19.420]  Suddenly, everything starts coming out. Hey, it was Osama Bin Laden. Just like Kennedy. It was Oswald. You know, we're in a panic. They're cool, comical. They're the only people who know what's going on. Bing, bing, bing.
[01:49:19.420 --> 01:49:27.420]  So I think Randy gives us a valuable lesson. You know, first impressions are fine. Acting on them, that's a whole different kettle of fish.
[01:49:27.420 --> 01:49:46.420]  Well, Tom, speaking of first impressions and acting on them and the subway, when Randy and I were in New York City for the 9-11 Memorial a couple of years ago, we were heading back to New Jersey on the path.
[01:49:46.420 --> 01:49:58.420]  Exactly. And actually, out of all the hundreds of people, and I think maybe Randy and I may have been a little gauche. We didn't quite get the drift. I think we were supposed to wear shirts that said investigate 9-11.
[01:49:58.420 --> 01:50:19.420]  We wore shirts that said 9-11 was an inside job. And we were amongst a handful, really less than five out of hundreds of 9-11 truthers that had shirts that said 9-11 was an inside job. And I'm sorry to the 9-11 community if we were supposed to investigate 9-11 instead of 9-11 was an inside job.
[01:50:19.420 --> 01:50:43.420]  But we did the best we could. Anyway, we didn't get that particular email. At any rate, we're on the whole day, went down and everything. So we're on the path heading back to New Jersey and this guy comes up to us on the train and just starts chewing me and Randy out massively.
[01:50:43.420 --> 01:50:58.420]  How dare you and you disrespecting the families and the deceased and how dare you such a thing and my brother works for the government and I know for sure if the government was involved that I would know about it and all this stuff.
[01:50:58.420 --> 01:51:10.420]  I mean, this guy was in our face, man. I mean, he was like spitting on us, really. And I was scared. I thought he was going to beat the crap out of me and Randy. I mean, you know, Randy's a big guy and everything. But I mean, this guy had so much rage.
[01:51:10.420 --> 01:51:31.420]  Combat veteran. I was very scared and I felt pain for him because I could see how much pain he was in. And, you know, I was like, you know, I lost family too. Okay. And it's like, you know, everyone on the subway was like, oh my God, what's going on?
[01:51:31.420 --> 01:51:48.420]  You know, and they just all everybody you could just see everybody just felt for all of us. And it's just the reacting. But what what that gentleman didn't know is that we're on his side. I know he had to have lost a family member for him to react that way.
[01:51:48.420 --> 01:52:06.420]  And I felt like, you know, dude, I'm doing this for you. You don't realize it. So I didn't hold it against him. But I mean, it was scary. It was scary. I gotta say. Let's go on to some other callers. We got six minutes left. Let's go to George in Texas. Hey, George, you have some comments?
[01:52:06.420 --> 01:52:24.420]  Yes. How you doing? Good. You know, the thing is, you know, this supposedly phony pandemic, I just hope we can start like show our humanity and not sit there and hold ourselves up in our homes.
[01:52:24.420 --> 01:52:29.420]  Yeah, this this pandemic thing is nonsense.
[01:52:29.420 --> 01:52:44.420]  And, you know, they've got like a confirmed death. Duh, you know, nonsense. If you sell vaccine, I would say they know that there is no vaccine for swine flu.
[01:52:44.420 --> 01:52:51.420]  They know it. And just for the record, swine flu has nothing to do with pigs.
[01:52:51.420 --> 01:53:02.420]  Pigs can't get it. They can't transmit it. It has nothing to do with pigs. It's just a name. There is no vaccine for swine flu.
[01:53:02.420 --> 01:53:09.420]  Oh, I thought about 100 people in a city of 30 million.
[01:53:09.420 --> 01:53:15.420]  Randy, I thought swine flu was what our economy was suffering from with them people at the top, you know.
[01:53:15.420 --> 01:53:28.420]  Well, Randy, you know, the point I was making is that more corrupt politicians probably got gonorrhea today from visiting the red light district than somebody getting swine flu.
[01:53:28.420 --> 01:53:31.420]  That is good.
[01:53:31.420 --> 01:53:32.420]  What's that?
[01:53:32.420 --> 01:53:34.420]  Randy, you there?
[01:53:34.420 --> 01:53:39.420]  I would have to say statistically George's problem is right on.
[01:53:39.420 --> 01:53:40.420]  Check, check, check, check.
[01:53:40.420 --> 01:53:45.420]  Okay, he's there.
[01:53:45.420 --> 01:53:58.420]  But you know, the thing is about these pharmaceutical companies, if they found their behind this thing, I think on the state level, I think we're going to have to go to grand juries and indict these pharmaceutical companies and the politicians behind them.
[01:53:58.420 --> 01:54:01.420]  Well, we have to show cause of action, George.
[01:54:01.420 --> 01:54:05.420]  Somebody has to be harmed and they have to show specific cause of action.
[01:54:05.420 --> 01:54:33.420]  I mean, I agree, they should be held accountable. Unfortunately, at the federal level, legislation has been enacted, I think it was about a year and a half, two years ago, where Congress passed a law that said if the FDA approves a pharmaceutical, even if it's found later to be harmful or even fatal,
[01:54:33.420 --> 01:54:44.420]  the pharmaceutical companies cannot be held accountable in the civil court as far as lawsuits because the FDA said it was okay.
[01:54:44.420 --> 01:54:52.420]  Even if the pharmaceutical companies paid the government off, the politicians off to lean on the FDA to speed up the process so they could get it to market.
[01:54:52.420 --> 01:55:10.420]  No, I don't know how that has been adjudicated in court, but honestly, Randy, I don't see how Congress could interfere with the judicial branch in that manner and say, well, you can't sue so-and-so or so-and-so can't be held accountable in a civil court.
[01:55:10.420 --> 01:55:18.420]  I mean, isn't, I thought that's why we had separation of powers like different branches of government, you know? I mean, what do you say, Randy, about that?
[01:55:18.420 --> 01:55:35.420]  Well, can you hear me? Yeah. Oh, good, good. I thought I had got crapped out. If Congress has passed a set of laws, if these people are technically liable, Congress doesn't have anything to say beyond that.
[01:55:35.420 --> 01:56:00.420]  Well, no, no, Randy, what I'm saying is that Congress, U.S. Congress passed a law that said if the FDA approves a certain pharmaceutical, then that company shall not be held liable in a civil court of lawsuit for any damages, deaths, fatalities, you know, destruction of human life and limb.
[01:56:00.420 --> 01:56:15.420]  As a result, 10 years later, even if it's shown that it never, that drugs never should have been approved in the first place because the FDA said it was okay, so the pharmaceutical company is off scot-free. That's what our Congress has said.
[01:56:15.420 --> 01:56:16.420]  No, no, no, no.
[01:56:16.420 --> 01:56:27.420]  Well, that's what Congress said. They passed a law. And so what I want to say is how can Congress pass a law to that effect because I don't see that. That's crossing the branch of power.
[01:56:27.420 --> 01:56:50.420]  If the pharmaceutical company can be shown to have acted in good faith, then there was no intent to do any harm. If you do something that you think is right and everything in your environment and in your experience tells you it's the right thing to do.
[01:56:50.420 --> 01:57:06.420]  But there is some minor consideration that you could not have known that causes a harm down the road. How could you expect it to be clairvoyant?
[01:57:06.420 --> 01:57:11.420]  I think Randy brings up the notion of intent, right?
[01:57:11.420 --> 01:57:22.420]  Otherwise, it couldn't function. However, if it can be shown that you had knowledge there was a problem and hid that problem, then you can be held liable.
[01:57:22.420 --> 01:57:33.420]  Well, see, that's the thing. These pharmaceutical companies are suppressing data. They're suppressing studies that show there were problems to begin with. So are you saying that that would override this law?
[01:57:33.420 --> 01:57:57.420]  Be careful what you ask for. I'm crazy. I ask all kinds of dumb things. Randy, is there a point in between yours and the one that we just heard from Deborah where you didn't cover things up or you did the best job, but somewhere in between you were negligent. You didn't do a thorough job, right?
[01:57:57.420 --> 01:58:03.420]  You wanted to save money and you didn't want to run the fourth or fifth test when you should have or something like that.
[01:58:03.420 --> 01:58:20.420]  Exactly. If that can be shown, then you can be attacked. If you acted in good faith, I mean, if somebody could be held liable when they've acted in absolute good faith, then no one can afford...
[01:58:20.420 --> 01:58:30.420]  I don't know, Randy. That sounds like thought crime to me. I mean, if somebody does damage to my property, they've done damage to my property whether they intended it or not, they're liable. That's the way I see it.
[01:58:30.420 --> 01:58:32.420]  Well, all crimes are thought crimes.
[01:58:32.420 --> 01:58:34.420]  Well, that's what we disagree.
[01:58:34.420 --> 01:58:37.420]  Crimes are not crimes.
[01:58:37.420 --> 01:58:41.420]  If they damage my property, they damage my property. Period. They owe me.
[01:58:41.420 --> 01:58:43.420]  No, it's about understanding what a crime is.
[01:58:43.420 --> 01:58:45.420]  All crimes are thought crimes.
[01:58:45.420 --> 01:58:48.420]  Well, if they damage my property, I'm going to sue them. That's all there is to it.
[01:58:48.420 --> 01:58:49.420]  Yeah, you can sue them.
[01:58:49.420 --> 01:58:55.420]  Okay, look, we've got nine seconds. We've got nine seconds. We'll take this up tomorrow night. We'll be back tomorrow night.
[01:58:55.420 --> 01:59:24.420]  No, we're over here.
[01:59:25.420 --> 01:59:40.420]  I'm like a stepping stone, watch out for my eyes. I'm dangerous, dangerous. I'm like a chopping razor, watch my eyes. I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[01:59:40.420 --> 01:59:55.420]  If you eat up a ball, you better treat me good. If you drink less food, you better treat me good.