[00:00.000 --> 00:05.480] This news brief brought to you by the International News Net. [00:05.480 --> 00:12.280] In Pakistan, Dr Hafiz Pasha, head of a panel of economists, said Pakistan suffered $6 billion [00:12.280 --> 00:18.400] in economic losses during 2007-2008, supporting the war on terror. [00:18.400 --> 00:24.680] Pasha said the US should double its aid to Pakistan in view of these massive losses. [00:24.680 --> 00:29.560] General David Petraeus, the top US commander in the Middle East, warned Congress Wednesday [00:29.560 --> 00:38.760] Israel may preemptively strike Iran over concerns about its development of nuclear weapons. [00:38.760 --> 00:43.960] Israel's controversial Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman declared Israel is no longer bound [00:43.960 --> 00:49.000] by the peace commitments made at the 2007 Annapolis conference. [00:49.000 --> 00:54.360] The new government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu intends to distance itself from [00:54.360 --> 01:06.400] the US-sponsored peace initiatives, and talks on Palestinian statehood are all but dead. [01:06.400 --> 01:12.320] Cambodia's Prime Minister Han Sen has rejected calls to put more former Khmer Rouge officials [01:12.320 --> 01:14.600] on trial. [01:14.600 --> 01:20.160] Han said efforts to widen the scope of the UN-backed tribunal could plunge the country [01:20.160 --> 01:21.920] into civil war. [01:21.920 --> 01:28.000] The Khmer Rouge's former prison chief, Kaine Goek-Eve, known as Doik, is the first high [01:28.000 --> 01:32.320] official to face trial for crimes committed more than 30 years ago. [01:32.320 --> 01:37.200] Doik is accused of war crimes and crimes against humanity. [01:37.200 --> 01:44.040] On Tuesday, he apologized for the deaths of more than 14,000 people at the torture and [01:44.040 --> 01:48.080] interrogation center he ran in Phnom Penh. [01:48.080 --> 01:52.240] More other former Khmer Rouge leaders are currently awaiting trial. [01:52.240 --> 02:00.400] 1.7 million Cambodians died during the Khmer Rouge's rule between 1975 and 1979. [02:00.400 --> 02:05.480] Human rights groups suspect the Prime Minister is keen to avoid an in-depth investigation [02:05.480 --> 02:15.880] for fear it will reveal secrets about senior Khmer Rouge figures in his administration. [02:15.880 --> 02:20.360] As Mexico suffers from the worst drug-related bloodshed in its history, a growing number [02:20.360 --> 02:25.180] of politicians and pundits there are calling for the legalization of drugs. [02:25.180 --> 02:31.320] In recent months, two bills have been filed in the Mexican Congress, one advocating decriminalization [02:31.320 --> 02:36.440] of marijuana for personal use and the other including cocaine and heroin. [02:36.440 --> 02:42.760] Elisa Conde, the federal congresswoman who filed the marijuana bill said, quote, we need [02:42.760 --> 02:48.280] to look at new ways of stopping all these billions of dollars going to the gangsters. [02:48.280 --> 03:17.120] Mexican drug gangs make an estimated $30 billion a year trafficking drugs to the US. [03:18.280 --> 03:36.880] OK, bad boys, bad boys are here. [03:36.880 --> 03:42.920] Deborah's busy working out some technical details for our on-location transmission today. [03:42.920 --> 03:51.640] We're going to be broadcasting from Brave New Books in Austin, I mean, Chris Emory and [03:51.640 --> 03:59.400] Harlan, Harlan Vanden Newinoff will be doing a presentation at Brave New Books on the Oklahoma [03:59.400 --> 04:01.360] City bombing. [04:01.360 --> 04:07.640] They're not up yet and Deborah is taking care of some technical difficulties. [04:07.640 --> 04:11.040] As soon as all of that gets straightened out, we'll bring them on. [04:11.040 --> 04:13.120] Yeah, yeah, we're good. [04:13.120 --> 04:17.560] In the meantime, you're stuck with me. [04:17.560 --> 04:27.600] I'm in Dallas at the moment, I've just been to a seminar by Tim Turner on his legal, his [04:27.600 --> 04:41.480] process for dealing with the courts and frankly it seems most powerful, for the most part [04:41.480 --> 04:47.160] I just do process and don't do the commercial process, but I've been looking at the commercial [04:47.160 --> 04:56.080] process for its application in what I do and they appear to have some very powerful tools [04:56.080 --> 05:03.280] if I can get a couple of minor details worked out. [05:03.280 --> 05:04.280] Yes. [05:04.280 --> 05:05.280] Okay, I'm back. [05:05.280 --> 05:11.120] Sorry listeners, they were having some technical issues and we had to go on the air. [05:11.120 --> 05:12.360] All these great people here. [05:12.360 --> 05:13.360] Yeah, we're ready. [05:13.360 --> 05:14.360] They're ready. [05:14.360 --> 05:17.160] Thanks for starting the show, Randy, and thanks for bearing with us listeners. [05:17.160 --> 05:21.480] Things that you don't see on mainstream media a lot. [05:21.480 --> 05:25.600] I know Holland is actually going to join us here in Austin soon, so it would be great [05:25.600 --> 05:30.920] to have another expert and historian amongst us that we can do events like this all the [05:30.920 --> 05:31.920] time. [05:31.920 --> 05:37.600] So we're really privileged here in Austin to have people that are so knowledgeable on [05:37.600 --> 05:38.600] these things. [05:38.600 --> 05:49.840] And the two guys speaking tonight are of course Chris Emery and Holland Vanden Newenhoff, two [05:49.840 --> 05:53.240] of the leading researchers on Oklahoma City. [05:53.240 --> 05:58.880] Their contributions have helped enlighten and inform a lot of people on the government [05:58.880 --> 06:00.920] connections to the bombing. [06:00.920 --> 06:06.560] So we're really privileged to have them here tonight to tell you all they know about the [06:06.560 --> 06:07.560] events. [06:07.560 --> 06:13.680] They were, I guess, what is it, 14 years ago as of yesterday. [06:13.680 --> 06:21.080] So we all need to think about that and remember that and inform ourselves so it doesn't happen [06:21.080 --> 06:27.920] again and we can look for all the telltale signs by knowing how it was operated before. [06:27.920 --> 06:33.360] So anyway, I'll let them take it away and thanks for coming out. [06:33.360 --> 06:40.400] Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. [06:40.400 --> 06:45.960] Thank you for coming out on this Monday evening here at Brave New Books right across the street. [06:45.960 --> 06:49.100] I'm going to be doing some dialogue because we're also going to be on the radio as I may [06:49.100 --> 06:50.920] have mentioned to you. [06:50.920 --> 06:55.200] So the listeners that are around the country aren't aware of where the bookstore is, so [06:55.200 --> 06:57.320] just out of procedure, I'll let them know. [06:57.320 --> 07:02.260] We're right across the street from UT Austin and we have, it looks like, approximately [07:02.260 --> 07:05.660] about 60 people and it's growing here tonight, so we've got a good crowd. [07:05.660 --> 07:06.660] Thank you for coming. [07:06.660 --> 07:11.000] Holland and I currently live in Oklahoma City and our radio studio, if you've had a chance [07:11.000 --> 07:17.160] to listen to Radio Free Oklahoma on 90.1, part of the rule of law radio network is actually [07:17.160 --> 07:23.360] nine blocks from ground zero just by coincidence, so I am very honored to be here with my good [07:23.360 --> 07:24.360] friend Holland. [07:24.360 --> 07:29.800] We met up back in, I believe it was September of 2005 at an anti-war conference and struck [07:29.800 --> 07:30.800] up a great friendship. [07:30.800 --> 07:36.200] I've spoken throughout the U.S. on several occasions and we're very honored to at least [07:36.200 --> 07:41.040] be a part of the expert base on the case. [07:41.040 --> 07:45.560] We're one of many good spokespeople, not the end all be all, but we've had the opportunity [07:45.560 --> 07:51.560] to meet a lot of the victims, family members, survivors, retired and current law enforcement [07:51.560 --> 07:56.080] that have helped out on the case over the years, state employees, some current, some [07:56.080 --> 07:57.080] retired. [07:57.080 --> 08:01.280] So, anyway, without further ado, I wanted to like to just bring your attention to the [08:01.280 --> 08:05.560] front here on the PowerPoint presentation. [08:05.560 --> 08:09.080] The picture here on the left, of course, is the Murr Building about four years after it [08:09.080 --> 08:10.080] was built. [08:10.080 --> 08:13.560] A twilight shot from the federal courthouse just to the south and, of course, the photo [08:13.560 --> 08:16.840] on the right is a few days after the morning of the bombing. [08:16.840 --> 08:21.640] Notice, most of the search and rescue and recovery vehicles and personnel have gone. [08:21.640 --> 08:25.880] This is at the stage where they're actually finishing up just the recovery, search and [08:25.880 --> 08:29.280] rescue since been terminated at that point. [08:29.280 --> 08:33.840] And I believe about three weeks after this photo was taken, actually two weeks, it was [08:33.840 --> 08:38.480] to be demolished by Control Demolition Inc., coincidentally enough, was the same company [08:38.480 --> 08:44.360] that cleaned up the World Trade Center rubble. [08:44.360 --> 08:47.240] The presentation tonight is going to be about an hour long, and then we're going to continue [08:47.240 --> 08:51.080] on with about a half hour, 45-minute Q&A, depending on how many questions you have. [08:51.080 --> 08:56.440] We have a live mic also on the side here to facilitate the Q&A, so I'm going to be a little [08:56.440 --> 09:04.200] restricted on the space I have to work here because I do want to get good audio quality. [09:04.200 --> 09:22.200] Okay, we want to thank Harlan Dietrich and John Roberts with Brave New Books here in [09:22.200 --> 09:27.920] Austin, of course, and get the procedure on the slide show. [09:27.920 --> 09:28.920] Here we go. [09:28.920 --> 09:32.280] Tonight's presentation is being broadcast live on the Rule of Law Radio Show. [09:32.280 --> 09:34.280] Of course, ruleoflawradio.com. [09:34.280 --> 09:39.880] We have stations here in Austin, of course, the flagship station 90.1, Corvallis, Oregon [09:39.880 --> 09:48.280] on 1610 a.m., Duranto, Oklahoma, 93.5, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1710 a.m., Oklahoma City, 1071, [09:48.280 --> 09:54.840] Omaha, Nebraska, 1640 a.m., St. Louis, Missouri, 1700 a.m., Sioux Falls, South Dakota, South [09:54.840 --> 10:00.000] Bend, Indiana on 1640 a.m., and then, of course, Madison, Wisconsin, our fourth capital city [10:00.000 --> 10:02.320] has a low-power FM station up there. [10:02.320 --> 10:11.960] Tulsa will be back on the air soon, from what I understand. [10:11.960 --> 10:15.240] Our co-host, Andrew Griffin, was not able to make it this evening. [10:15.240 --> 10:19.400] He had some other circumstances come up, but he's actually done a great job of helping [10:19.400 --> 10:24.560] us research on the case also with reddirtreport.com as the website that he hosts. [10:24.560 --> 10:29.640] A lot of his articles actually have been reprinted on infowars.com, much to his credit, and we [10:29.640 --> 10:36.720] want to thank the staff at Infowars for doing that and relaying that information. [10:36.720 --> 10:40.480] More specifically, Andrew helped us, and we're going to bring this up later in the presentation, [10:40.480 --> 10:45.060] uncover a lot of the – some of the 9-11 connections with the University of Oklahoma [10:45.060 --> 10:49.240] and the Oklahoma City area, as well as the Jesse Trinadue case. [10:49.240 --> 10:52.120] He's done some great follow-up articles on that. [10:52.120 --> 10:55.200] And we want to thank each and every one of you attending today. [10:55.200 --> 10:59.200] Without your interest and support, our work certainly would not be possible. [10:59.200 --> 11:02.480] Most importantly, the men and women of the local county, state, and law enforcement like [11:02.480 --> 11:08.240] I acknowledged earlier, both within the U.S. and throughout the world. [11:08.240 --> 11:11.160] Let's go ahead and just take a moment of silence for the victims, family members, and [11:11.160 --> 11:16.440] survivors of the Waco tragedy, which happened, of course, April 19, 1993. [11:16.440 --> 11:20.120] That would have been 16 years ago. [11:20.120 --> 11:26.160] And then, of course, we all know, for those of you that have actually even studied that [11:26.160 --> 11:30.720] on a partial basis, that there was a legal assignment of U.S. Army personnel who used [11:30.720 --> 11:36.560] Geneva Convention-banned sarin gas and FLIR technology that would implicate the true perps [11:36.560 --> 11:38.780] in the Waco disaster. [11:38.780 --> 11:43.360] Some have compared that event with the December 29, 1890 massacre of the Wounded Knee Creek [11:43.360 --> 11:45.360] in South Dakota. [11:45.360 --> 11:52.040] Innocence taken, the lives have been terminated by illegal actions of the United States Army. [11:52.040 --> 11:56.360] That's not a, you know, innuendo, that's not a rumor, that's actually based on fact. [11:56.360 --> 12:00.520] So for you listeners out there that aren't aware of that, please do research that. [12:00.520 --> 12:03.320] That set a precedent for what happened in Oklahoma City. [12:03.320 --> 12:08.200] The only connection between those two cases was the fabricated story of McVeigh actually [12:08.200 --> 12:16.280] being very upset about Waco and, of course, Bob Ricks, who was the FBI special agent that [12:16.280 --> 12:19.880] was actually in charge of the media coverage of that. [12:19.880 --> 12:23.480] And we also want to remember the shootout at Columbine High School, which happened 10 [12:23.480 --> 12:24.480] years ago today. [12:24.480 --> 12:28.720] Fourteen students and one teacher perished in that shootout. [12:28.720 --> 12:31.200] Here's our connection to Waco and Oklahoma City. [12:31.200 --> 12:35.240] Bob Ricks, who headed up the FBI negotiating team during the Waco, Texas siege, would be [12:35.240 --> 12:39.240] implicated in the mishandling of communication and intelligence gathering leading up to the [12:39.240 --> 12:41.440] Oklahoma City bombing. [12:41.440 --> 12:45.760] According to trusted law enforcement sources that we know in Oklahoma City and throughout [12:45.760 --> 12:50.640] Oklahoma County, Agent Ricks was asked to resign by FBI director at the time, Louis [12:50.640 --> 12:55.040] Free, for his incompetence within weeks after the Oklahoma City bombing. [12:55.040 --> 12:59.280] He actually officially resigned in August of 95, but we know that he was asked to resign [12:59.280 --> 13:01.000] quite a bit earlier than that. [13:01.000 --> 13:04.400] He tendered his formal resignation in August of 95. [13:04.400 --> 13:08.840] Subsequently, Oklahoma Governor Frank Keating would hire Mr. Ricks as commissioner of the [13:08.840 --> 13:13.400] Oklahoma State Department of Public Safety and also serve on the governor's cabinet, [13:13.400 --> 13:19.320] which is really quite a shocking set of events for someone that mishandled the Waco case and [13:19.320 --> 13:22.840] then, of course, just completely bungled the intelligence with Oklahoma City. [13:22.840 --> 13:26.340] Why on earth would you want him on the governor's cabinet? [13:26.340 --> 13:29.320] And he currently serves as chief of police in Edmond, Oklahoma. [13:29.320 --> 13:34.320] Holland has had some information gathering from that sector, and we could share that [13:34.320 --> 13:35.320] later on. [13:35.320 --> 13:38.200] That's about 10 miles north of downtown Oklahoma City. [13:38.200 --> 13:42.240] Real quick, I do want to not belabor this, but it's very important that you understand. [13:42.240 --> 13:45.960] Here's the official version of what Mr. Ricks transitioned from the FBI to Oklahoma City [13:45.960 --> 13:48.600] DPS, the Oklahoma DPS. [13:48.600 --> 13:52.080] And it was the press release from the governor's office. [13:52.080 --> 13:55.720] And please hold back any comments until the Q&A. [13:55.720 --> 13:59.880] Governor Keating names Ricks cabinet secretary for safety and security, the Oklahoma City [13:59.880 --> 14:01.280] governor in Oklahoma City. [14:01.280 --> 14:05.580] The Governor Frank Keating today named Bob Ricks of Edmond as cabinet secretary for safety [14:05.580 --> 14:06.840] and security. [14:06.840 --> 14:11.000] Ricks also was named commissioner of the Oklahoma Department of Public Safety. [14:11.000 --> 14:14.720] One unquote from former Governor Keating, I'm thrilled to name Bob Ricks to these important [14:14.720 --> 14:15.720] positions. [14:15.720 --> 14:19.340] He has a very impressive record in law enforcement, and I think he will do a wonderful job as [14:19.340 --> 14:23.560] cabinet secretary at the Department of Public Safety. [14:23.560 --> 14:25.520] And at the time, he was 50 years old. [14:25.520 --> 14:29.300] He currently served, was serving as special agent in charge of the Oklahoma City FBI field [14:29.300 --> 14:33.200] office and retiring after 26 years of the FBI. [14:33.200 --> 14:35.280] We were just discussing that before the presentation. [14:35.280 --> 14:40.080] Why on earth would somebody tender the resignation after 26 years with the FBI if he had a stellar [14:40.080 --> 14:44.160] record and take a actually a demotion and a cut in pay? [14:44.160 --> 14:45.800] That's certainly a question that needs to be answered. [14:45.800 --> 14:50.600] So I'm trying to be as objective as possible, folks, a lot of this information. [14:50.600 --> 14:55.280] One thing that we've always tried to stress as investigators and private citizens is that [14:55.280 --> 14:58.240] we don't try to get under the personal attacks or any emotion. [14:58.240 --> 15:01.240] You have to deal with the facts for what they are and what they're not. [15:01.240 --> 15:06.520] Clearly seeing that this very bizarre set of events, Mr. Ricks leaving the FBI after [15:06.520 --> 15:10.400] a long career really makes you question why he was asked to tender. [15:10.400 --> 15:11.820] And we do know why. [15:11.820 --> 15:16.400] And then, of course, we wouldn't be here today without the efforts of these four individuals, [15:16.400 --> 15:19.040] two of them in this slide, and I'll have the other two following. [15:19.040 --> 15:23.400] Mr. V. Z. Lotton, he was a survivor on the eighth floor of the Murrah Building in the [15:23.400 --> 15:24.400] morning of the bombing. [15:24.400 --> 15:30.640] He was an employee of the HUD, it was Housing and Urban Development, right, with the federal [15:30.640 --> 15:31.640] government. [15:31.640 --> 15:39.520] He currently still is a very successful business owner in Oklahoma City, and he actually served [15:39.520 --> 15:40.520] on the... [15:40.520 --> 15:44.240] This is the Oklahoma City Bombing Investigation Committee, the efforts are still presented [15:44.240 --> 15:46.240] on okcbombing.net. [15:46.240 --> 15:51.800] George Wallace, a retired Air Force pilot, he was very familiar with ordnance, having [15:51.800 --> 15:59.520] flown many missions over Germany and studying the fallout and bomb blast and wave attenuation [15:59.520 --> 16:01.520] of ordnance. [16:01.520 --> 16:06.400] Coincidentally enough, George, after he retired from the military, had a recycling business, [16:06.400 --> 16:09.440] and it was one of his recycling bins that was actually at the journal record building [16:09.440 --> 16:13.720] right across the street from the Murrah Building that was completely destroyed in the bombing. [16:13.720 --> 16:17.920] Ironically, he would be a member of the committee investigating the true facts of what happened. [16:17.920 --> 16:21.760] And then, of course, last but certainly not least, the chairman of the committee, Mr. [16:21.760 --> 16:27.800] Charles Key, he's currently back into the State House, and on an unrelated issue, helped [16:27.800 --> 16:33.200] co-author the 10th Amendment Resolution that has since been approved by the Senate, so [16:33.200 --> 16:36.280] we're looking forward to the governor's signature on that. [16:36.280 --> 16:39.200] Charles is kind of a very quick side note. [16:39.200 --> 16:44.360] His former secretary actually worked with him at the Capitol, resigned and took a job [16:44.360 --> 16:47.840] with the federal government, and was working in the Murrah Building the day of the morning [16:47.840 --> 16:48.840] of the bombing. [16:48.840 --> 16:49.840] She was killed. [16:49.840 --> 16:54.240] Her parents actually still, to this day, attend the same church as Charles does, and they [16:54.240 --> 16:59.680] approached him in the subsequent weeks after the bombing and asked him if he could impanel [16:59.680 --> 17:05.120] or actually ask for just a House subcommittee to investigate the case completely separate [17:05.120 --> 17:06.120] from the federal government. [17:06.120 --> 17:11.000] And I'm going to try to relay this story as best as I can from how Charles had told me. [17:11.000 --> 17:14.200] And he really didn't have a dog in that fight, so to speak. [17:14.200 --> 17:20.040] He was a successful insurance salesman, as well as a up-and-coming, very well-respected [17:20.040 --> 17:22.040] state representative. [17:22.040 --> 17:26.000] But he found out that a lot of his constituents—and he's on the western side of Oklahoma City, [17:26.000 --> 17:30.280] that was his district, and it is today District 90—kept coming to him and saying, look, [17:30.280 --> 17:34.560] the story we're getting from the Oklahoma County sheriffs and the Oklahoma City Police [17:34.560 --> 17:38.240] Department is completely different than what the federal government is telling us in the [17:38.240 --> 17:39.320] newspapers. [17:39.320 --> 17:41.320] Can you please look into this? [17:41.320 --> 17:48.480] Friends, family members, casual acquaintances, close co-workers, literally thousands of people [17:48.480 --> 17:49.720] were affected by the bombing. [17:49.720 --> 17:55.800] So he took it upon himself, with the support of some of his colleagues, a handful in the [17:55.800 --> 17:58.920] State House, and retired State employees to actually panel the committee. [17:58.920 --> 18:03.480] So we really do want to—to this day, we still thank them for all the effort they've [18:03.480 --> 18:04.480] done. [18:04.480 --> 18:07.280] Here's a shot of Charles speaking in Lafayette Park across the street from the White House [18:07.280 --> 18:08.280] in 2005. [18:08.280 --> 18:13.320] And I had the honor of attending that—it was called the D.C. Emergency Truth Convergence, [18:13.320 --> 18:18.520] dealing with a lot of the issues surrounding 9-11 and the parallels to Oklahoma City. [18:18.520 --> 18:21.240] Our film crew displaying some of the banners that we had displayed. [18:21.240 --> 18:25.200] This was right after the 10-year anniversary. [18:25.200 --> 18:26.640] And the top banner is very telling. [18:26.640 --> 18:30.960] In fact, it's a quote from a former grand jury member, the one and only grand jury [18:30.960 --> 18:36.960] member, the 12 members that actually stood up both mentally and morally and said, look, [18:36.960 --> 18:39.560] we need to get blueprints. [18:39.560 --> 18:40.560] We want witnesses. [18:40.560 --> 18:41.560] Experts called forward. [18:41.560 --> 18:43.320] I want to see physical evidence. [18:43.320 --> 18:47.080] The folks that actually put this building together, the architects, they named off a [18:47.080 --> 18:52.480] list of 27 items, I believe, sent it to the judge, David Russell, who's still actually [18:52.480 --> 18:55.200] sitting in the courthouse across the street from the Murrah site. [18:55.200 --> 18:58.560] They sent him a letter and asked him, we need this information. [18:58.560 --> 19:00.840] As a grand jury member, I'm entitled to it, number one. [19:00.840 --> 19:05.280] And number two, I think that he thought it would be appropriate to do so just to get [19:05.280 --> 19:08.200] a fair and balanced accounting of what happened. [19:08.200 --> 19:14.840] The judge had three choices, either to deny the request, to grant the request, or to dismiss [19:14.840 --> 19:16.480] Mr. Hoppe Heidelberg without cause. [19:16.480 --> 19:21.160] He chose option number three, took the judge 19 days to respond to his letter. [19:21.160 --> 19:22.160] It's shocking. [19:22.160 --> 19:26.520] At the time, this was the worst case of terrorism in the history of the United States. [19:26.520 --> 19:30.760] We have the federal judge presiding over the grand jury that completely denied the request [19:30.760 --> 19:37.240] of a clear thinking, I think one of the best friends we've ever had, very strong-willed [19:37.240 --> 19:42.600] individual, and kicked him off the grand jury without cause and threatened him with perjury [19:42.600 --> 19:48.120] and contempt of court if he actually opened his mouth to the media. [19:48.120 --> 19:49.120] Unbelievable. [19:49.120 --> 19:55.040] And then, of course, in the bottom banner, we have a quote by former U.S. Representative [19:55.040 --> 19:59.560] Ernest Estook that there had been a bomb threat back on April 9th, yeah, we knew this was [19:59.560 --> 20:00.560] going to happen. [20:00.560 --> 20:05.000] And that was corroborated by not one, but two reserve sheriff deputies from Oklahoma [20:05.000 --> 20:08.600] County that were actually at the security of the perimeter, I believe it was between [20:08.600 --> 20:11.960] 1030 and 11 o'clock in the evening of the bombing. [20:11.960 --> 20:14.440] So it was fresh on Representative Estook's mind. [20:14.440 --> 20:16.160] He had no reason to make it up. [20:16.160 --> 20:17.720] It was a slip of the tongue. [20:17.720 --> 20:18.720] I don't know. [20:18.720 --> 20:20.320] He was just telling these guys the truth. [20:20.320 --> 20:25.960] And inadvertently, he thought they were highway patrolmen, and he made a mistake, walked away [20:25.960 --> 20:28.840] and kept his mouth shut and continued to deny the quote. [20:28.840 --> 20:35.200] But we know it, and we actually took depositions from these gentlemen so we know it's true. [20:35.200 --> 20:39.660] And then, of course, we're going to finish off this presentation with a short recognition [20:39.660 --> 20:41.160] of Officer Terrence Yackey. [20:41.160 --> 20:44.840] These are his two sisters that were helping us with the display of some of the banners. [20:44.840 --> 20:48.280] Now, this is right across the street from the bombing memorial on the west side of the [20:48.280 --> 20:49.280] memorial. [20:49.280 --> 20:53.680] The Jesus statue you see in the back was actually part of a monument to the 19 children that [20:53.680 --> 20:54.680] perished. [20:54.680 --> 21:01.400] That was actually purchased and donated by the Oklahoma City Arts Diocese, Catholic Arts [21:01.400 --> 21:05.840] Diocese, completely separate from the memorial. [21:05.840 --> 21:10.040] It's really a great place to be able to display banners like this, hand out literature asking [21:10.040 --> 21:14.440] for the truth on Oklahoma City case and other important issues because it is completely [21:14.440 --> 21:15.440] neutral from the memorial. [21:15.440 --> 21:19.360] If we were to try to do this on the memorial, they would have us removed immediately. [21:19.360 --> 21:24.720] The Catholic Church has been very cooperative and actually had a very open mind about this. [21:24.720 --> 21:29.000] And so we want to thank them for all the several years of support that they've given us. [21:29.000 --> 21:34.680] Of course, we're back to the original shot of the plaza. [21:34.680 --> 21:39.920] And this is the front shot from the northwest corner. [21:39.920 --> 21:44.000] And it pretty much looked just like those days before the bombing. [21:44.000 --> 21:47.840] We found out later from one of the architects, a retired partner from the consortium that [21:47.840 --> 21:51.200] designed the building, that this building was fortified for terrorist attacks. [21:51.200 --> 21:57.520] In fact, more so because there were attacks in the early 1980s in Philadelphia. [21:57.520 --> 22:03.160] So there was a mandate sent down through the GSA, any future buildings that would be designed [22:03.160 --> 22:08.120] or there would be upgrades to the infrastructure and the outer structure of the building that [22:08.120 --> 22:10.320] Murrah Building was actually on that list and it was done. [22:10.320 --> 22:11.320] So that is documented. [22:11.320 --> 22:14.500] And then, of course, an aerial shot. [22:14.500 --> 22:16.760] We use this for the film crew, the storyboards. [22:16.760 --> 22:20.520] We have different numbers on the buildings and where the different shots and scenes are [22:20.520 --> 22:23.200] going to be taken. [22:23.200 --> 22:26.920] This picture, of course, for you folks that may remember the morning after the bombing [22:26.920 --> 22:31.800] on April 20, to the credit of Jim Argo, award-winning photo journalist from the Oklahoma and he's [22:31.800 --> 22:33.800] since retired. [22:33.800 --> 22:41.080] And this particular lieutenant was serving under Battalion Chief Six in Oklahoma City. [22:41.080 --> 22:43.900] He was holding the camera to the battalion chief that morning. [22:43.900 --> 22:48.720] This shot was taken by Jim about a half hour after the bombing and there was still smoke [22:48.720 --> 22:51.280] rising from some of the vehicles. [22:51.280 --> 22:54.740] One thing that a lot of folks aren't aware of, there was no smoke, there was absolutely [22:54.740 --> 22:56.520] no fire coming from the Murrah Building. [22:56.520 --> 22:59.640] It was only from the vehicles across the street. [22:59.640 --> 23:03.040] Tell-tell, sign on that, that it certainly wasn't an amphibomb. [23:03.040 --> 23:08.680] We have a classic example of an ANFO case back in 1970 in the University of Wisconsin [23:08.680 --> 23:14.360] in Madison at the Army Research Math Building where Dow Chemical actually designed the blueprint [23:14.360 --> 23:18.140] for the Agent Orange formula. [23:18.140 --> 23:19.840] That was blown up by ANFO. [23:19.840 --> 23:23.040] And how do I know that is because I had the opportunity to actually meet the ringleader [23:23.040 --> 23:27.040] of the four guys that pulled that crime off back in 2002. [23:27.040 --> 23:31.200] I sat down with him at a small restaurant in Madison, right across the table from him, [23:31.200 --> 23:35.200] gave him a copy of the final report and a couple of videos on the case. [23:35.200 --> 23:39.280] We turned to Madison two weeks later, we sat down, he took his glasses off and he looked [23:39.280 --> 23:44.960] straight at me and he says, Chris, there's absolutely no way that Timothy McVeigh and [23:44.960 --> 23:46.920] Terry Nichols could have pulled this case off. [23:46.920 --> 23:51.000] Physically, this is quoting him, physically, financially and mentally, there's no way [23:51.000 --> 23:52.560] that they could have done this. [23:52.560 --> 23:54.640] This was done by a team of experts. [23:54.640 --> 23:59.880] And this is coming from a guy that actually blew up a six story structure that was fortified [23:59.880 --> 24:01.600] even more than the Murrah Building. [24:01.600 --> 24:06.440] It was built in 1942 under the specs of the Pentagon Department of Defense. [24:06.440 --> 24:11.280] It was a federal, basically a small federal building. [24:11.280 --> 24:17.160] And his bomb did a fraction of the damage that was done on this. [24:17.160 --> 24:19.400] And he looked at it and he was just shocked. [24:19.400 --> 24:24.640] And he says, anytime you ever need me to come and help you out with your quotes or the research [24:24.640 --> 24:26.560] on the film, just give me a call. [24:26.560 --> 24:29.880] And I was very amazed that he would offer to do that. [24:29.880 --> 24:35.720] So anyway, that is a precedent that we use as a benchmark to figure out, okay, no fire [24:35.720 --> 24:37.200] in the Murrah Building. [24:37.200 --> 24:40.680] The Army Math Research Building had a 16 alarm fire. [24:40.680 --> 24:43.600] There was not one piece of paper that was sent to the Murrah Building. [24:43.600 --> 24:45.840] It was a dry blast. [24:45.840 --> 24:47.980] Clearly shows that AMFA wasn't used. [24:47.980 --> 24:51.920] And the second point of that is that out of the 16 alarms that was in Madison in August [24:51.920 --> 24:56.800] of 1970, there were 38 students that were taken to the university hospitals up there. [24:56.800 --> 25:01.280] And remember, this is 2.49 in the morning because they were overcome by the fumes from [25:01.280 --> 25:04.120] the ANFO bomb that Carlton Armstrong used. [25:04.120 --> 25:08.680] Not one search and rescue, not one survivor from the AP Murrah Building had any inhalation [25:08.680 --> 25:09.960] problems. [25:09.960 --> 25:14.520] We know that for a fact because Terry Icky was the very first OCPD police officer to [25:14.520 --> 25:18.080] respond to the crime scene, took out eight survivors. [25:18.080 --> 25:19.080] He did not vomit. [25:19.080 --> 25:21.880] He did not buckle over breathing in any fumes. [25:21.880 --> 25:24.080] That's the second strike against the ANFO bomb theory. [25:24.080 --> 25:26.960] And there are several more that we can go over at another time. [25:26.960 --> 25:28.880] Here's another telltale picture. [25:28.880 --> 25:33.160] Second floor, east side of the Murrah Building, the wall is completely blown out. [25:33.160 --> 25:36.280] I talked to a gentleman that actually was on the design team. [25:36.280 --> 25:40.800] He said that those granite panels on the outside of that building were well over 300 pounds [25:40.800 --> 25:41.800] a piece. [25:41.800 --> 25:42.860] It wasn't just cheap face. [25:42.860 --> 25:45.080] This was solid and it was fortified. [25:45.080 --> 25:48.220] Remember folks, for bomb blasts. [25:48.220 --> 25:51.320] This one came from the inside out. [25:51.320 --> 25:52.320] It came from the outside in. [25:52.320 --> 25:55.240] And it was the farthest point away from where the truck bomb was. [25:55.240 --> 25:58.040] And we'll explain where the location of that is. [25:58.040 --> 26:02.880] We have more than enough information and more than enough proof, both on the photos, analyzing [26:02.880 --> 26:03.880] the blueprints. [26:03.880 --> 26:06.960] And I have a small setter if you folks want to look at these later, that the insurance [26:06.960 --> 26:10.800] companies had used to set a lot of the health claims and death benefits. [26:10.800 --> 26:15.480] So we know exactly where the bomb blasts, where the columns were, where they fell down, [26:15.480 --> 26:19.240] how they crumpled into the parking lot in the street, just to the north. [26:19.240 --> 26:20.400] And you reassemble it. [26:20.400 --> 26:22.640] You actually reverse engineer everything. [26:22.640 --> 26:26.440] This particular hole on the second floor was blown from the inside out. [26:26.440 --> 26:31.000] There was another, coincidentally enough, on the, what they call the bolas, beyond the [26:31.000 --> 26:39.280] lookouts for the crime, I believe it was the Oklahoma City, the Oklahoma County Sheriff's [26:39.280 --> 26:41.200] Department sent these alerts out. [26:41.200 --> 26:44.640] There was actually ordnance, unexploded ordnance on that same side of the building. [26:44.640 --> 26:47.000] They took another device out that didn't even go off. [26:47.000 --> 26:49.580] It was to follow up on this one. [26:49.580 --> 26:54.880] By the way, if we can go back on Teriyaki, the officer is on the left or on the right [26:54.880 --> 26:55.880] side of the gurney. [26:55.880 --> 26:59.120] That's, he was the very first officer to report in the scene. [26:59.120 --> 27:01.360] That was his best friend on the other side of the gurney. [27:01.360 --> 27:06.120] They're taking out some of the surviving walking wounded there. [27:06.120 --> 27:10.240] Of course, the aerial shot that we showed earlier. [27:10.240 --> 27:14.720] Now there, you see the scorch marks across the street here, 72 vehicles actually caught [27:14.720 --> 27:16.880] on fire. [27:16.880 --> 27:21.920] Looking at some old Oklahoma County Sheriff's videotape, we found out that out of the 72 [27:21.920 --> 27:25.080] vehicles over 59 were federal plates. [27:25.080 --> 27:27.880] Most of them were from out of town, which is very peculiar. [27:27.880 --> 27:33.040] So why were these folks in town that particular day, you know, with the big showing? [27:33.040 --> 27:35.720] That's just another big question mark. [27:35.720 --> 27:37.880] And of course you have the second floor blowout here. [27:37.880 --> 27:43.800] Third floor was basically coming apart here, but that survived the blast. [27:43.800 --> 27:47.520] There was also a lot of ordnance on the west side that we found that was unexploded on [27:47.520 --> 27:48.520] the loading dock. [27:48.520 --> 27:52.600] And I can go into detail later on that in the Q&A. [27:52.600 --> 27:57.760] Great aerial shots, once again, second and third floor blowout, and then the YMCA, which [27:57.760 --> 27:58.760] is no longer there. [27:58.760 --> 28:03.040] And then you have your clear pattern of where the bomb blast, you see where the debris is. [28:03.040 --> 28:08.440] We were finding debris to the north, a block and a half, sixth and Harvey. [28:08.440 --> 28:11.360] That doesn't happen when you have a blast going into the building, folks. [28:11.360 --> 28:15.520] By the way, just to make things a little more challenging for Mother Nature, or for the [28:15.520 --> 28:20.440] perpetrators, he had a 42 mile an hour headwind going into the building at the morning of [28:20.440 --> 28:21.440] the blast. [28:21.440 --> 28:26.960] So the force would have had to have been that much stronger just to go against that, the [28:26.960 --> 28:27.960] headwind coming in. [28:27.960 --> 28:30.880] And it was a clear, crisp morning, it was about 45 degrees. [28:30.880 --> 28:33.960] Later that evening tornadoes would roll in, it was so severe that the airport would be [28:33.960 --> 28:35.480] shut down. [28:35.480 --> 28:39.200] And any forensic evidence that was at the crime scene was literally washed away. [28:39.200 --> 28:44.360] The FBI was not expeditious about covering up the infamous crater hole that they had [28:44.360 --> 28:50.640] and filled itself up with water, rendering all of the evidence completely useless. [28:50.640 --> 28:53.040] Shot from the south side, you see the blowout again. [28:53.040 --> 28:57.120] Does that look like it's coming from outside into the building, folks? [28:57.120 --> 28:58.120] No. [28:58.120 --> 29:00.240] As Dan Rather always said, the camera never blinks. [29:00.240 --> 29:05.840] And these are shots that are taken with, you know, here's the thing about it that it's, [29:05.840 --> 29:10.140] the investigation was so sloppy on some levels that the evidence to show the blast coming [29:10.140 --> 29:12.360] from inside the building wasn't even cleaned up. [29:12.360 --> 29:16.120] This has taken a full week and a half after the bombing, they just let us sit there. [29:16.120 --> 29:19.000] Actually it wasn't, I made a mistake on that, it was actually a week and a half and not [29:19.000 --> 29:21.360] two days. [29:21.360 --> 29:28.280] There's a shot, the crater that they claimed was so many feet deep, I believe, while you [29:28.280 --> 29:31.640] have a gentleman standing at the bottom there, they claimed it was over nine feet deep. [29:31.640 --> 29:35.080] You could see that he's at his chest, it's less than four feet. [29:35.080 --> 29:39.000] That's what filled up with water and ruined a lot of the forensic evidence. [29:39.000 --> 29:40.520] Shot taken from the ninth floor. [29:40.520 --> 29:44.240] This is indicative of what the second floor actually looked like, and we have some front [29:44.240 --> 29:50.520] shots that show that the drywall and the furring strips weren't even singed on the columns. [29:50.520 --> 29:54.320] And they were the closest to the, of course this is taken apart because the elevator company [29:54.320 --> 29:58.520] is trying to attach the elevator hoist on here. [29:58.520 --> 30:02.760] But that was consistent all the way down to the ground floor as far as the drywall. [30:02.760 --> 30:06.080] And they were the closest to the point source of the explosion, they weren't even singed. [30:06.080 --> 30:10.840] And you have columns that are 42 to 45 feet away that were completely demolished, turned [30:10.840 --> 30:13.760] to dust. [30:13.760 --> 30:17.920] And then of course the aerial shots, both of what downtown looked like before the blast [30:17.920 --> 30:18.920] and then the memorial. [30:18.920 --> 30:23.760] The reason I bring these up is that our film crew is using these photos and there's still [30:23.760 --> 30:28.520] a lot of buildings that are standing today that we can use as very accurate point reference. [30:28.520 --> 30:33.680] We triangulate what happened, when it happened, by the videos that we have and the photos [30:33.680 --> 30:38.240] and we can actually, like I said, reverse engineer, reconstruct the set the way it was [30:38.240 --> 30:39.800] a minute before the blast. [30:39.800 --> 30:41.760] This is a better aerial shot. [30:41.760 --> 30:44.040] The Children's Memorial is right down here. [30:44.040 --> 30:48.320] As I mentioned, it's right on the across the street from the west side of the memorial. [30:48.320 --> 30:52.740] Now, one thing that I caught early on is that you follow the profile of the journal record [30:52.740 --> 30:57.640] building, which is 239 feet, six inches directly to the north of the front door where the mirror [30:57.640 --> 30:58.720] building stood. [30:58.720 --> 30:59.840] You follow that profile. [30:59.840 --> 31:03.160] That's exactly the way the profile was in front of the mirror building, except the mirror [31:03.160 --> 31:06.160] image extended 240 feet away. [31:06.160 --> 31:08.720] And that's how we're able to reconstruct everything. [31:08.720 --> 31:15.720] The terrorist landscaping and so forth and the survivor tree, that was all covered by [31:15.720 --> 31:16.720] asphalt. [31:16.720 --> 31:17.720] It was all tenement houses. [31:17.720 --> 31:18.720] They were knocked down. [31:18.720 --> 31:22.840] They still had some of the foundations there, cinder block, roughly paved over with asphalt. [31:22.840 --> 31:25.800] And they were one of those pay-as-you-go parking lots. [31:25.800 --> 31:27.640] They had a couple of those cash boxes there. [31:27.640 --> 31:30.200] So that was pretty much level. [31:30.200 --> 31:36.320] You start at 17 and a half feet lower here, and you go over to the other side to, let's [31:36.320 --> 31:39.200] see here, that's Robinson. [31:39.200 --> 31:41.120] And then you go up that slope. [31:41.120 --> 31:44.720] So that'll give you a pretty good idea of how the mirror building was situated. [31:44.720 --> 31:47.920] And then here's a shot from the south plaza. [31:47.920 --> 31:50.320] This was on the direct south side. [31:50.320 --> 31:54.400] And we have the marker here where the employees would have gone directly into the mirror building, [31:54.400 --> 31:58.680] except it was actually physically on the second floor, because you're up one level higher. [31:58.680 --> 32:00.960] Right below this is three levels of parking. [32:00.960 --> 32:03.080] They still use it today, high security. [32:03.080 --> 32:07.200] The federal courthouse and their employees and paralegals still use it. [32:07.200 --> 32:10.480] I'm just trying to walk you through, and it's important, like I said, to reconstruct the [32:10.480 --> 32:11.480] crime scene. [32:11.480 --> 32:13.040] You get a better idea of what really happened. [32:13.040 --> 32:18.360] The survivor chairs, this is not a graveyard, it's strictly a memorial. [32:18.360 --> 32:23.580] A lot of the victims are buried in several cemeteries around the city, some out of state. [32:23.580 --> 32:29.240] But that's just to recognize what floor they were on and where they were when they perished. [32:29.240 --> 32:32.240] And then, of course, the children's chairs are much smaller, they're about three quarters [32:32.240 --> 32:34.000] to half the size of the adults' chairs. [32:34.000 --> 32:37.560] And then the reflecting pool. [32:37.560 --> 32:43.120] This is actually an important piece of history here, trying to work with the shadows. [32:43.120 --> 32:48.320] You can see the metal staircase, the railings coming out on the right-hand side. [32:48.320 --> 32:53.720] It was a pressman that was out smoking his pipe on break about five minutes, five to [32:53.720 --> 32:55.360] seven minutes before the bombing happened. [32:55.360 --> 32:57.360] He was across the... [32:57.360 --> 32:59.560] By the way, this was an old ripped up alleyway. [32:59.560 --> 33:02.680] The brick has since been replaced, but it gives you a perfect sense of the width of [33:02.680 --> 33:03.680] the alley. [33:03.680 --> 33:06.600] He was on the other side of this manhole cover smoking his pipe. [33:06.600 --> 33:11.320] He remembered, gosh, at nine o'clock, once again, nine a.m., I've got to get my uniforms [33:11.320 --> 33:14.720] in, the laundry service is coming back, I've got to get that ready so he can pick them [33:14.720 --> 33:15.720] up in time. [33:15.720 --> 33:22.840] He rushes back across the road at the time, almost gets run over by McVeigh. [33:22.840 --> 33:23.840] Coming out of... [33:23.840 --> 33:24.840] Very out of... [33:24.840 --> 33:25.840] Remember, this is a parking lot here now. [33:25.840 --> 33:26.840] This is not grass. [33:26.840 --> 33:29.560] It was all kind of botched up asphalt. [33:29.560 --> 33:34.240] Coming up and actually coming toward us as we see this, McVeigh was driving and there [33:34.240 --> 33:37.040] was another person in the front seat, and I says, well, how do you remember that? [33:37.040 --> 33:41.000] He says, look, my life was flashing before my eyes, almost got run over, a speeding [33:41.000 --> 33:42.240] car coming after me. [33:42.240 --> 33:44.400] You remember things like that. [33:44.400 --> 33:48.040] And he made it out of the way, jumped out of the way, McVeigh just hauled right past [33:48.040 --> 33:52.640] him, and he remembers looking back and seeing a swinging license plate hanging on one bolt, [33:52.640 --> 33:55.080] but he does know that you guys were in the front seat. [33:55.080 --> 33:56.520] That'll bring us up to another point. [33:56.520 --> 34:00.980] By the way, this shot was taken about three weeks ago. [34:00.980 --> 34:05.580] This alleyway here is basically what we just saw, what it looked like. [34:05.580 --> 34:10.120] This is a western extension of that, about 150 yards to the west. [34:10.120 --> 34:13.920] The beauty of a lot of these roads to this day, folks, is that they haven't changed that [34:13.920 --> 34:17.840] much since the morning of the bombing, so you get a perfect, accurate visual of what [34:17.840 --> 34:19.960] it looked like that morning. [34:19.960 --> 34:23.280] And that's important from a filmmaker's standpoint, you want to be as accurate as possible. [34:23.280 --> 34:27.980] So that will give you an idea of what the pressman had to walk across to get back and [34:27.980 --> 34:30.360] out of the way of the car. [34:30.360 --> 34:34.640] This is another alleyway about three and a half blocks to the east, southeast of the [34:34.640 --> 34:40.100] building, and we had a survivor who I'm going to leave anonymous at this point, she prefers [34:40.100 --> 34:41.920] to remain anonymous. [34:41.920 --> 34:46.480] Ten minutes of coming out of the Murrah building, she had drywall dust and concrete dust in [34:46.480 --> 34:52.860] her hair, straight up, she just looked like she was in shock, rightfully so, her clothes [34:52.860 --> 34:56.440] were covered in the dust and the dirt and debris, and she walked back here just to gain [34:56.440 --> 35:00.860] her senses, and who is standing right here at this point, where there's no parking strip [35:00.860 --> 35:07.040] is on the alley, McVeigh and an accomplice of his, which dovetails perfectly with the [35:07.040 --> 35:10.040] pressman story. [35:10.040 --> 35:14.760] The yellow marquee was parked here, and she remembers McVeigh standing there with the [35:14.760 --> 35:21.560] windbreaker, a white t-shirt, and she says, it's funny how you get the recall, but you [35:21.560 --> 35:26.600] have the blue strings from the earplugs hanging over his shoulders, around his neck, and the [35:26.600 --> 35:30.360] yellow earplugs at the end, and he's just nonchalantly looking in the direction of the [35:30.360 --> 35:34.880] Murrah building, the smoke rising, remember you have all of the search and rescue, everybody [35:34.880 --> 35:38.280] going toward the Murrah building, McVeigh's just standing there very nonchalantly with [35:38.280 --> 35:44.240] his buddy, and he casually asked her, he says, was anybody killed in the bombing? [35:44.240 --> 35:47.640] She says, yes, quite a few, including, and he says, were there any children killed? [35:47.640 --> 35:49.600] And she says, I can imagine so. [35:49.600 --> 35:53.520] She just kept on walking and didn't realize who he was until she saw the sketches on the [35:53.520 --> 35:56.140] TV a few days later. [35:56.140 --> 35:59.640] So that, like I said, that corroborates the pressman story as far as him being with somebody [35:59.640 --> 36:00.640] else. [36:00.640 --> 36:07.120] Here's a shot of the foundation, once again, we're not forensic, what do they call it, [36:07.120 --> 36:08.120] archaeologists? [36:08.120 --> 36:09.120] They requires proprietary information from experts, they can make it into the investigation [36:09.120 --> 36:17.140] to the [36:17.140 --> 36:19.140] Thank you. [36:47.140 --> 36:49.140] Thank you. [37:17.140 --> 37:19.140] Thank you. [37:47.140 --> 38:01.140] Check, check, check, check. [38:01.140 --> 38:09.140] Testing, testing, check, check, check. [38:09.140 --> 38:33.140] Oh, that's not me, that's them. [38:33.140 --> 38:43.140] Okay. [38:43.140 --> 39:11.140] Thanks. [39:11.140 --> 39:27.140] Check, check, check, check. [39:27.140 --> 39:55.140] Oh, crap. [39:55.140 --> 40:11.140] Okay. [40:11.140 --> 40:39.140] Okay. [40:39.140 --> 40:59.140] Okay. [40:59.140 --> 41:13.140] Okay. [41:13.140 --> 41:41.140] Okay. [41:41.140 --> 41:53.140] Okay. [41:53.140 --> 42:09.140] Okay. [42:09.140 --> 42:13.140] Okay. [42:13.140 --> 42:17.140] Okay. [42:17.140 --> 42:19.140] Okay. [42:19.140 --> 42:21.140] Okay. [42:21.140 --> 42:27.140] Okay. [42:27.140 --> 42:33.140] Okay. [42:33.140 --> 42:36.200] brutally beaten and tortured before he was actually strangled to death and left [42:36.200 --> 42:39.960] for dead in his cell at a federal transfer facility in Oklahoma City. This [42:39.960 --> 42:44.080] being his brother Jesse and then of course attorney our current Attorney [42:44.080 --> 42:49.280] General Eric Holder, a ghost from the past so to speak back in 1996-97 he was [42:49.280 --> 42:52.920] instrumental in covering up the investigation of Kenneth Trenadue's [42:52.920 --> 42:57.960] murder. Now you ask yourself here's guy number two at the Justice Department he [42:57.960 --> 43:02.400] was actually serving as Deputy Attorney General at the time why on earth would [43:02.400 --> 43:07.080] he take the time to get his hands he had first-hand effort of first-hand [43:07.080 --> 43:13.200] knowledge of the cover-up of a whatever what amounted to a suicide of a federal [43:13.200 --> 43:17.440] inmate in Oklahoma City and I just want to if I may take you just a moment here [43:17.440 --> 43:22.340] just to read a excerpt from a letter that actually this is from my Andrew [43:22.340 --> 43:28.180] Griffin's article on Infowars.com that he wrote on RedDirtReport.com this [43:28.180 --> 43:31.060] quote from Jesse Trenadue you have the highest levels of the justice working on [43:31.060 --> 43:34.880] this like a sum bitch to stall the investigation of my brother's murder and [43:34.880 --> 43:39.960] Jesse Trenadue asked why. He pointed to the DOJ emails from the time referring [43:39.960 --> 43:43.480] to the dealing with Kenneth Trenadue's cases coordinating the invasion of [43:43.480 --> 43:47.320] Normandy and noting we ain't looking for press on this. Folks I do have a copy of [43:47.320 --> 43:51.100] those memos that Jesse Trenadue had sent if you want to take a look at them I'll [43:51.100 --> 43:55.600] be happy to. It's fact it coming from the assistance of paralegals that worked [43:55.600 --> 44:00.840] with Eric Holder's office back in 1997 and 96. All we wanted was the truth for [44:00.840 --> 44:04.240] the government to do what was right and instead he said there were callous [44:04.240 --> 44:07.440] inflammatory comments and the released email is referring to Trenadues and [44:07.440 --> 44:11.520] Trenadones. He says that the tone is very disrespectful and that the emails [44:11.520 --> 44:14.920] indicate a sense of urgency. Strange and light of the fact that the federal [44:14.920 --> 44:19.800] government still stands by the idea that this case is simply a suicide. Would any [44:19.800 --> 44:24.900] of you in this room be shocked if your loved one or a sibling the case was [44:24.900 --> 44:27.920] investigated by the number two man at the Justice Department. Wouldn't that [44:27.920 --> 44:32.120] certainly raise some bells, send some bells ringing and raise some flags. I [44:32.120 --> 44:37.280] would certainly think so. I got a call from my attorney Trenadue actually five [44:37.280 --> 44:40.720] days ago we were talking about other matters relating to the the tapes and so [44:40.720 --> 44:46.880] forth and how I can attest to this it's that you you talk to these people they [44:46.880 --> 44:50.640] are human beings they're not a picture they're not somebody mentioned on the [44:50.640 --> 44:57.120] page of a book and even to this day you know you can't help but you get a tear [44:57.120 --> 45:00.360] in your eye when you when you look at this case. In fact I was putting this [45:00.360 --> 45:03.480] together and I'm thinking to myself I still can't believe this happened to [45:03.480 --> 45:07.640] this this man and his family. They sued the federal government for one point one [45:07.640 --> 45:13.560] million dollars for what was it called what was wasn't actually on the legal [45:13.560 --> 45:19.000] sense it was more of mishandling of the case and yes and the mental anguish and [45:19.000 --> 45:23.600] the federal government finally awarded that. It was early on one of the FBI [45:23.600 --> 45:27.320] agency courts said that hell would freeze over before they pay this family. [45:27.320 --> 45:31.800] That's how arrogant and contemptuous they were at the time. Jesse and his [45:31.800 --> 45:35.000] family finally received that award in October of last year. He used two [45:35.000 --> 45:39.520] hundred and fifty thousand dollars of that award to he's posting it as a [45:39.520 --> 45:45.760] reward for those indicted and convicted and felony murder charges responsible [45:45.760 --> 45:51.000] for his brother's death and I'm quoted in Andrew's article is saying the FBI [45:51.000 --> 45:54.240] knows he has a leg up on the FBI and they know it because how why would [45:54.240 --> 45:57.920] anybody post a quarter million dollar reward for the death of their brother if [45:57.920 --> 46:01.800] they know they didn't have the right answers. This is Eric Holder how we [46:01.800 --> 46:08.880] looked on March 3rd of 1997 right in the thick of the Trinity cover-up and like [46:08.880 --> 46:11.520] I said we have those articles if you want to read them afterwards I'm going [46:11.520 --> 46:17.040] to try to expedite this presentation here. We have two key players in the what [46:17.040 --> 46:21.720] actually amounted to the cover-up and initially Senator Warren Hatch was very [46:21.720 --> 46:26.160] supportive of wanted to get an investigation. He was backed he was told [46:26.160 --> 46:30.720] to back down and we're not quite sure what the exact dialogue was but he backed [46:30.720 --> 46:34.920] off real quick. Patrick Leahy of course a head of the Senate Judiciary Committee [46:34.920 --> 46:40.640] in charge of the confirmation hearings to say either yes or no to Eric Holder [46:40.640 --> 46:45.640] coming up as our next Attorney General and this is the excerpt from the letter [46:45.640 --> 46:51.400] that Jesse Trinidad who wrote to Patrick Leahy December dated December 9 2008 [46:51.400 --> 46:56.080] three and a half page letter attached 23 pages of documentation copies of the [46:56.080 --> 47:01.840] very same type and handwritten emails and notes exchanged between Eric Holder [47:01.840 --> 47:06.760] and his assistant and his staff to make sure that this case was shut down cold [47:06.760 --> 47:10.560] and just to start off on the letter real quick and I'm not going to do the whole [47:10.560 --> 47:14.600] one here but it's a few paragraphs you need to know that Eric Holder my [47:14.600 --> 47:18.440] misspelling on that now nominated to become Attorney General played a key [47:18.440 --> 47:22.680] role in covering up the torture murder of my brother Kenneth Michael Trinidad [47:22.680 --> 47:26.160] you also need to know that mr. Holder did this while serving as deputy [47:26.160 --> 47:30.880] Attorney General and acting Attorney General from 1997 to 2001 this is not [47:30.880 --> 47:34.440] just my shocking opinion it's also the opinion of many Americans more [47:34.440 --> 47:38.680] importantly it is supported by the Justice Department's records and actions [47:38.680 --> 47:42.440] that came to light as a result of my family's efforts to obtain a certain [47:42.440 --> 47:45.920] measure of justice for my brother's murder Kenneth was killed in Oklahoma [47:45.920 --> 47:50.480] City in August of 1995 my family spent over 13 years investigating my brother's [47:50.480 --> 47:54.840] gruesome murder including bringing a wrongful death lawsuit in federal court [47:54.840 --> 48:00.040] in 1997 once again they were awarded 1.1 million dollars in October of 2008 had [48:00.040 --> 48:04.360] to wait 11 years for that in that case the Justice Department hid and destroyed [48:04.360 --> 48:08.240] evidence that would have exposed my brother's murderers and we believe that [48:08.240 --> 48:12.800] mr. Holder was directly involved in those acts of obstruction of justice now [48:12.800 --> 48:17.280] the paper trail is scant but he does like I said he sent chairman Leahy those [48:17.280 --> 48:21.880] 23 pages of emails never got a response back and very cordially at the end of [48:21.880 --> 48:25.440] letter asked if he could attend the hearings and actually testify before the [48:25.440 --> 48:31.360] panel not even a phone call of course now we have Eric Holder this is the [48:31.360 --> 48:36.240] current photo that was taken in January 15th of this year during his hearings [48:36.240 --> 48:39.960] according to documents a significant part of the plan of all mr. Holder's [48:39.960 --> 48:44.000] convincing Congress not to inquire into my brother's murder the plan called for [48:44.000 --> 48:49.440] mr. Holder to meet with senator hatch on October 9 1997 just prior to the Justice [48:49.440 --> 48:53.000] Department's issuance of a press release announcing that the federal government [48:53.000 --> 48:56.480] the federal grand jury supposedly investigating my brother's murder had [48:56.480 --> 49:02.200] failed to charge anyone with this crime the stated purpose of this meeting [49:02.200 --> 49:06.000] between mr. Holder and senator hatch was to defuse Judiciary Committee oversight [49:06.000 --> 49:09.840] and made an immediate inquiry into the circumstances of my brother's death in [49:09.840 --> 49:13.680] fact one email states that we ain't looking for press on this Hill takes [49:13.680 --> 49:18.200] priority meaning Capitol Hill meeting White House and then of course or in a [49:18.200 --> 49:22.860] hatch and Eric Holder this is a key comment that was actually made on Fox [49:22.860 --> 49:28.680] News the day after this press release I met with Deputy Attorney General just [49:28.680 --> 49:31.440] last night on this all of this is very very upsetting to a lot of people [49:31.440 --> 49:35.440] including myself now we haven't had a hearing on this lately because of the [49:35.440 --> 49:39.640] ongoing federal investigation but now that the federal people have completed [49:39.640 --> 49:43.000] their analysis of this and their investigation I think we will hold a [49:43.000 --> 49:46.880] hearing between now and the end of the year and just see what we can do to get [49:46.880 --> 49:50.480] to the bottom of this there's a lot wrong with this case and I hope someday [49:50.480 --> 49:55.000] somebody will get to the bottom of it but apparently the federal government [49:55.000 --> 50:00.640] hasn't been able to do so yep it has the orma of cover-up and like I say it does [50:00.640 --> 50:04.880] look bad somebody has not told the truth here and somebody is in my opinion [50:04.880 --> 50:10.800] covering up shortly after that he was told to back off I want to go ahead and [50:10.800 --> 50:15.560] conclude my portion of the presentation and introduce my very good friend and my [50:15.560 --> 50:28.720] colleague on the radio show and film crew Holland Vanden Doornhof thank you [50:28.720 --> 50:33.200] Chris I'm gonna be talking about some of the connections between 9-11 in Oklahoma [50:33.200 --> 50:39.440] City like Chris said I linked up with him in September 2005 we started doing [50:39.440 --> 50:43.280] some work on the city bombing and I was basically a research assistant as I [50:43.280 --> 50:47.880] started looking into it I started seeing some links between Oklahoma City and [50:47.880 --> 50:52.400] 9-11 and it's not all of it was my original work actually most of it came [50:52.400 --> 50:56.600] from the work of Michael P. Wright out of Norman Oklahoma whom I heartily [50:56.600 --> 50:59.520] disagree with his conclusions his research however is commendable and I [50:59.520 --> 51:04.960] suggest you look it up if you want some more information on this I'm gonna start [51:04.960 --> 51:14.160] off with a timeline basic information linking Oklahoma the Oklahoma City [51:14.160 --> 51:19.960] bombing to 9-11 and you can digest this as you will in 1993 we know that bin [51:19.960 --> 51:24.200] Lon's personal pilot started taking flight lessons in Norman Oklahoma that's [51:24.200 --> 51:30.920] confirmed by the 9-11 congressional report April 4th 1995 federal informant [51:30.920 --> 51:33.880] Kerry Gagan learns that Middle Eastern terrorists are playing the bomb the Moor [51:33.880 --> 51:39.440] building in Oklahoma City Gagan right now serving a prison sentence in I [51:39.440 --> 51:46.480] believe Oklahoma on a trumped-up charge bribery sent back to Colorado latest [51:46.480 --> 51:51.480] word Kerry Gagan basically a long story short was a federal informant he learned [51:51.480 --> 51:54.840] of a plot to bomb the federal building went to the feds they gave him a letter [51:54.840 --> 52:00.080] of immunity and then they did no further action on the information he obtained he [52:00.080 --> 52:03.540] told them about what he was doing he was scouting out the Murrah building he was [52:03.540 --> 52:08.160] delivering explosives the feds were not interested at all in what he had to say [52:08.160 --> 52:12.800] and when the when the building exploded he basically had to go underground for [52:12.800 --> 52:16.680] a while because he felt that he would maybe was being implicated as a Patsy [52:16.680 --> 52:22.120] but Gagan has come out with this information and others other information [52:22.120 --> 52:26.240] and hopefully he can be released soon and we can get the full story from him [52:26.240 --> 52:30.600] anyways we know for a fact that Gagan was telling his federal handlers that [52:30.600 --> 52:36.840] someone was gonna bomb a federal building April 19th 95 of 1995 of course [52:36.840 --> 52:43.980] 169 people died when the Murrah building is bombed and I'd like to add that the [52:43.980 --> 52:48.360] supposed target of the attack the office of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and [52:48.360 --> 52:51.320] Firearms was empty that day on a Tuesday morning 9 o'clock in the morning [52:51.320 --> 52:56.880] there was not even someone answering the phones they received prior warning which [52:56.880 --> 53:00.880] they did not pass along to anyone else in the federal building including the [53:00.880 --> 53:06.320] people the children in the daycare center which is where that second-story [53:06.320 --> 53:10.720] blowout we witnessed in the pictures Chris had that was actually the daycare [53:10.720 --> 53:15.040] there were explosives planted there the FBI also received warning talked about [53:15.040 --> 53:21.600] Bob Ricks 30 minutes prior to the explosion the FBI headquarters at 50 [53:21.600 --> 53:26.400] Penn Place in North Oklahoma City they evacuated their headquarters we know [53:26.400 --> 53:31.680] this for fact because there was a radio station on the floor below they were [53:31.680 --> 53:36.220] giving an interview and they cut off midair dead air half hour before the [53:36.220 --> 53:40.040] bombing as they evacuated the building so they knew something was going down [53:40.040 --> 53:45.360] anyways following the bombing and following the cover-up and the [53:45.360 --> 53:48.800] implication of Kim McVeigh and a few others in the bombing not including the [53:48.800 --> 53:53.320] people who were seen with McVeigh that morning in Oklahoma City 1998 the [53:53.320 --> 53:56.720] Oklahoma City Office of the FBI warns of a large number of Middle Eastern men [53:56.720 --> 54:00.800] training in Oklahoma flight schools in a memo entitled weapons of mass [54:00.800 --> 54:07.760] destruction 1999 lead 9-11 hijacker Mohammed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehi [54:07.760 --> 54:11.680] visit Airman Flight School in Norman, Oklahoma which is also where the 20th [54:11.680 --> 54:19.400] hijacker trained that 20th hijacker being Zacharis Massawi like I said [54:19.400 --> 54:23.440] before it was until six years later after Ben Lawn's pilot trained at Airman [54:23.440 --> 54:27.960] Flight School in Norman that the FBI deigned to look into the matter and [54:27.960 --> 54:34.040] concluded nothing was out of the unusual in that matter 1999 Nicholas Berg the [54:34.040 --> 54:39.800] man who would later be beheaded in Iraq was attending OU and apparently met the [54:39.800 --> 54:45.040] 20th hijacker during this time another strange coincidence I'll go into that [54:45.040 --> 54:51.400] later February the June of 2001 the 20th hijacker Zacharis Massawi was training [54:51.400 --> 54:55.640] at Airman Flight School in Norman and he lived in an OU dorm he later lives off [54:55.640 --> 55:00.520] campus with Melvin Lattimore a man with links to the to the original Trade [55:00.520 --> 55:06.200] Center bombing in 1993 and to the Oklahoma City bombing April 2001 [55:06.200 --> 55:10.480] according FBI documents hijacker Salam al-Hamsi was seen in Lattimore and [55:10.480 --> 55:15.400] Massawi's apartment in Norman just off campus so basically what I'm doing is [55:15.400 --> 55:19.240] documenting links between people involved with Oklahoma City bombing and [55:19.240 --> 55:25.080] 9-11 specifically the 9-11 hijackers for who for some reason were traveling and [55:25.080 --> 55:28.720] conducting business in Oklahoma what I'm trying to demonstrate with this [55:28.720 --> 55:34.440] information is that basically whatever infrastructure whatever unit whatever [55:34.440 --> 55:40.280] support was rendered for the Oklahoma City bombing was later used for 9-11 we [55:40.280 --> 55:43.920] can see these hijackers traveling through Oklahoma's living in Oklahoma [55:43.920 --> 55:49.720] taking training in Oklahoma we can only assume that they're basically utilizing [55:49.720 --> 55:53.520] the same support structure that was in place for Oklahoma City which remained [55:53.520 --> 55:57.800] intact because no one else was implicated in that besides McVeigh and [55:57.800 --> 56:04.800] his hapless accomplice Terry Nichols I'm gonna zip through some of these what's [56:04.800 --> 56:10.880] important to know is that summer of 2001 right prior to the attacks of 9-11 a CIA [56:10.880 --> 56:15.920] agent in residence David Edger described a CIA officer in residence on the OU [56:15.920 --> 56:20.920] website was teaching class at OU OU University of Oklahoma which the [56:20.920 --> 56:25.160] president of which was David Boren who was a former member of skull and bones [56:25.160 --> 56:30.560] and the longest-serving chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee he had deep [56:30.560 --> 56:37.040] connections anyways David Edger had previously been in charge of CIA covert [56:37.040 --> 56:42.920] operations worldwide in the late 90s he was head jackal for the CIA he took an [56:42.920 --> 56:47.280] apparent demotion and you can get that information on CIA base which is a [56:47.280 --> 56:51.520] database that documents the activities of CIA agents David Edger is listed as [56:51.520 --> 56:55.840] assistant director of corporate ops worldwide he took an apparent demotion [56:55.840 --> 56:59.880] and this is according to his own words he has admitted to this took an apparent [56:59.880 --> 57:04.440] demotion to observe the activities of an al-qaeda cell in Hamburg Germany which [57:04.440 --> 57:08.720] consisted of Mohammed Atta and a couple other 9-11 hijackers he has admitted to [57:08.720 --> 57:14.040] this in class he teaches political science but he says that he saw nothing [57:14.040 --> 57:19.480] of interest nothing of interest indeed when Mohammed Atta was engaged in phone [57:19.480 --> 57:24.480] conversations email conversations with Zachar Smasari the 20th hijacker and [57:24.480 --> 57:30.200] other 9-11 hijackers in America they are communicating David Edger head jackal is [57:30.200 --> 57:36.800] watching reports nothing of interest summer 2001 when Mohammed Atta comes to [57:36.800 --> 57:46.080] Oklahoma with another 9-11 hijacker this is August 1st of 2001 the first little [57:46.080 --> 57:51.320] blurb here this is confirmed by LA Weekly O'Reilly factor and Newsweek [57:51.320 --> 57:55.880] Mohammed Atta had a meeting in the same motel that McVeigh stayed in prior to [57:55.880 --> 58:00.160] the Oklahoma City bombing it's on the it's on a part of town of Oklahoma City [58:00.160 --> 58:04.600] where basically it's a motel we can pay cash only ID requirements are kind of [58:04.600 --> 58:09.080] shaky it's it's basically where you go we want to hide out Mohammed Atta had a [58:09.080 --> 58:14.800] meeting in this motel with another hijacker and the 20th hijackers Zachars [58:14.800 --> 58:18.520] Massawi at the same time that David Edger is teaching class down the street [58:18.520 --> 58:23.040] at OU is David Edger the CIA officer was also in place in Hamburg Germany to [58:23.040 --> 58:26.800] watch these same people meeting in Hamburg Germany so we can only assume I [58:26.800 --> 58:30.600] assume that David Edger was monitoring this meeting as he had been in Hamburg [58:30.600 --> 58:34.240] Germany he will not admit to this meeting of course that he might monitor [58:34.240 --> 58:39.360] this but I think it's very interesting summer 2001 also it's apparently during [58:39.360 --> 58:42.000] this time that the man who was later beheaded in Iraq Nicholas Berg the [58:42.000 --> 58:45.200] famous footage of the man having his head cut off that was released at the [58:45.200 --> 58:50.520] same time that the that the Abu Ghraib torture scandal was coming out thus [58:50.520 --> 58:54.480] distracting us from that scandal this man Nicholas Berg had been a student at [58:54.480 --> 59:01.280] OU also his laptop computer was used to email the 20th hijacker when the FBI [59:01.280 --> 59:05.560] decided to look into this they offered the excuse that Nicholas Berg met an [59:05.560 --> 59:11.280] acquaintance on a bus lended the man his laptop gave him his wireless IP password [59:11.280 --> 59:16.680] or whatever and that this man must have used this his laptop to email the 20th [59:16.680 --> 59:21.120] hijacker a lot of problems with that story for one thing Oakland City buses [59:21.120 --> 59:24.960] don't have wireless capability especially in 1999 or 2001 they still [59:24.960 --> 59:28.800] don't and who among you is going to lend you stranger your laptop to email [59:28.800 --> 59:34.480] someone with plus your you know your your passcode which is ridiculous the [59:34.480 --> 59:37.960] full story behind Nicholas Berg we don't know yet obviously there's a lot more to [59:37.960 --> 59:41.840] be told about that whole story and he later ended up on that infamous videotape [59:41.840 --> 59:47.160] I think that story is yet to be told also August of 2001 the plane ticket for [59:47.160 --> 59:51.760] 9-eleven one of the plane tickets is purchased at an OU OU University library [59:51.760 --> 59:56.240] computer the librarian who witnessed this purchase stated to the FBI that [59:56.240 --> 01:00:00.560] this man was a white Caucasian white Caucasian male not someone appearing to [01:00:00.560 --> 01:00:09.320] be of Arab American sin or Arab descent make of that as you will also on the [01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.080] morning of 9-eleven OU president David edger former chairman of the Senate [01:00:13.080 --> 01:00:17.040] Intelligence Committee is having breakfast in DC with the director of the [01:00:17.040 --> 01:00:22.360] CIA George Tenet who was his protege David born basically got tenant his job [01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.640] tenant had absolutely no intelligence training or qualifications besides being [01:00:26.640 --> 01:00:31.280] one of David born's congressional staffers [01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:06.360] I won't let you pull the wool over my eyes [01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:14.360] I simply must refuse your news also come in lies [01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:22.360] it seems you like the fact but please take some words to the wise [01:01:22.360 --> 01:01:30.360] please stop trying to pull the wool over my eyes [01:01:52.360 --> 01:02:07.360] orange is an orange and will never be an apple [01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:15.360] this image is enough it is no tough concept to grab [01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:23.360] it's just too much to bear I won't wear your evil shackles [01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:46.360] a bluebird is a bluebird and will never be a crackle [01:02:46.360 --> 01:03:07.360] can you say cover up what's up [01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:16.360] please open your eyes further don't help murder these soldiers so young [01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:24.360] to profit from criminals at minimum must make you one [01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:39.360] can you say cover up what's up [01:03:39.360 --> 01:03:57.360] yeah [01:03:57.360 --> 01:04:01.360] fact is everyone who saw McVeigh the morning of the bombing saw him with [01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:06.360] other people the only person who they brought to the stand during the trial of [01:04:06.360 --> 01:04:12.360] McVeigh to admit that that she had seen McVeigh that morning admitted under [01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:16.360] cross-examinations he saw she saw him with an accomplice remember the [01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:18.360] government official stories that McVeigh was alone that morning that he set up [01:04:18.360 --> 01:04:22.360] the bomb by himself meanwhile everyone who saw McVeigh that morning saw him [01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:27.360] with accomplices now the the feds can just dispel all of these supposed [01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:31.360] rumors all these eyewitness accounts by simply releasing the videotape the 24 [01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:36.360] video cameras that were pointed at the Murrah building that morning showing [01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:40.360] what happened who's in the truck who set it off in the ensuing destruction to [01:04:40.360 --> 01:04:45.360] this day they refused to allow any veto to veto tapes to be released still [01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:50.360] citing national security concern concerns this despite the fact that the [01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.360] case is supposedly solved and closed McVeigh is dead Nichols is rotting away [01:04:54.360 --> 01:04:58.360] in prison for the rest of his life 48 has served this term case closed they [01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:02.360] say no other accomplices nothing more to be seen here let's release the videotape [01:05:02.360 --> 01:05:07.360] and prove us all wrong believe me I would much rather be wrong prove me [01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:12.360] wrong I can live with the much nicer alternative but they simply refuse to do [01:05:12.360 --> 01:05:19.360] that now what I want to get into is in my course my research I think it's very [01:05:19.360 --> 01:05:25.360] very to the point today I think we're suffering we're actually going through a [01:05:25.360 --> 01:05:29.360] similar political climate like we did in the mid 90s about the time that the [01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:33.360] Oklahoma City bombing occurred we basically have a Democratic president [01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:38.360] and whose national security apparatus is concerned with the domestic terror as [01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:42.360] we saw by that Homeland Security memo that made so much news recently citing [01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:46.360] the right wing domestic terror groups as the greatest threat to security today [01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:51.360] today versus supposedly Al Qaeda we're seeing a Republican Party on the make [01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:58.360] courting the supposed patriot vote and for someone who first became politically [01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:02.360] aware as myself in the mid 90s when I first realized that there was someone [01:06:02.360 --> 01:06:08.360] behind the curtain I'm getting a lot of flashbacks about from from then and to [01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:11.360] what the current political environment is today which makes me somewhat [01:06:11.360 --> 01:06:16.360] concerned that if there is another contrived terror attack it may not be [01:06:16.360 --> 01:06:21.360] blamed on Al Qaeda and maybe maybe more politically feasible to blame it on a [01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:26.360] domestic terror group perhaps linked to the the teapot movement or something [01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:30.360] like that the Rompel Revolution movement or something like that just as McVeigh [01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:35.360] was McVeigh was linked to the right wing militia movement even though any [01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.360] militia group he approached promptly told him to go away because he was so [01:06:39.360 --> 01:06:42.360] dangerous they either thought he was crazy or fed as it turns out he's [01:06:42.360 --> 01:06:48.360] probably both so I think I think this section is particularly important [01:06:48.360 --> 01:06:52.360] because if something like that does occur perhaps we can recognize some of [01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:58.360] the signs and know that something is up anyways I have six signs of that a [01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:04.360] contrived terror attack and is underway that the fix is in one military or [01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:09.360] police exercises simulating the real event 1994 operation dipole might the [01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.360] ATF for the first time in their history practice setting up ammonium nitrate [01:07:13.360 --> 01:07:18.360] bombs in the desert in New Mexico for some reason a year before the Murrah [01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:22.360] building was blamed on an ample bomb the ATF started setting these off one of [01:07:22.360 --> 01:07:26.360] these agents was in town that morning to report immediately to his superiors [01:07:26.360 --> 01:07:29.360] that an ammonium nitrate bomb had destroyed the Murrah building even [01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:33.360] though like we say the test all signs of ammonium nitrate explosions were not [01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:38.360] there including lack of fumes lack of smell and lack of fire so forth [01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:44.360] the morning of the morning of the Oklahoma City bombing the Oklahoma [01:07:44.360 --> 01:07:47.360] County bomb squad was at the Murrah building we know this through several [01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:51.360] eyewitness reports including the private investigator and people employees of [01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:54.360] the Murrah building for some reason they showed up at the Murrah building that [01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:57.360] morning and left apparently they only checked the outside of the building like [01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.360] I said we know for a fact that the FBI evacuated their headquarters in [01:08:00.360 --> 01:08:05.360] northwest Oklahoma City they obviously knew something was going down and they [01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:11.360] tried to cover themselves without passing any warning on prior to 9-11 the [01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:14.360] military conducted exercises simulating a plane crashing into the Pentagon on [01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:18.360] 9-11 of course we've heard about all the exercises the day of and prior [01:08:18.360 --> 01:08:24.360] simulating real event Alex Jones has gone to these in detail 7-7 the London [01:08:24.360 --> 01:08:28.360] bombings actually on 9-11 also the National Reconnaissance Office was [01:08:28.360 --> 01:08:33.360] conducting exercise simulating a hijacked plane crashing into a building [01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:37.360] on the morning of 9-11 this was supposedly an exercise so we see the [01:08:37.360 --> 01:08:41.360] same scenario time and time again you have practice you have rehearsal you [01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:45.360] have execution of these exercises but they're supposedly rehearsals not the [01:08:45.360 --> 01:08:50.360] real thing obviously these things go live as we saw in 7-7 the London [01:08:50.360 --> 01:08:55.360] underground bombings when British security agencies were conducting an [01:08:55.360 --> 01:08:59.360] exercise with bombs going off in the exact same locations that they went off [01:08:59.360 --> 01:09:03.360] in for real that morning the operation went live that's how they execute this [01:09:03.360 --> 01:09:07.360] that's how they get the personnel involved the operation goes live [01:09:07.360 --> 01:09:11.360] number two the second sign that the fix is in is VIPs being spared from the [01:09:11.360 --> 01:09:16.360] attack the morning of the Oklahoma City bombing the ATF they evacuated their [01:09:16.360 --> 01:09:20.360] office they were not there there's no no one even answering the phones FBI their [01:09:20.360 --> 01:09:25.360] office was empty 9-11 many World Trade Center CEOs run off at Air Force Base [01:09:25.360 --> 01:09:32.360] attending a charity fundraiser being hosted by Warren Buffett a longtime [01:09:32.360 --> 01:09:36.360] Republican insider and as you will recall off at Air Force Base is where [01:09:36.360 --> 01:09:41.360] Georgia Bush flew right after he left Barksdale Air Force Base so that's where [01:09:41.360 --> 01:09:44.360] he went and we don't know if he actually met with the CEOs but that's the exact [01:09:44.360 --> 01:09:48.360] same place he went so that's very interesting also in 9-11 Pentagon [01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:51.360] officers were told not to fly the morning of 9-11 confirmed by two reports [01:09:51.360 --> 01:09:55.360] of Newsweek told not to fly the morning of 9-11 people are being told not the [01:09:55.360 --> 01:09:58.360] peons not you and me we're gonna die but the people who are they're trying to [01:09:58.360 --> 01:10:03.360] spare the VIPs they are being given warnings of course on 7-7 London [01:10:03.360 --> 01:10:06.360] underground bombings Benjamin did and Yahoo was supposed to speak at one of [01:10:06.360 --> 01:10:10.360] the locations where one of the bombs went off was worn by Scotland Yard to [01:10:10.360 --> 01:10:18.360] stay in his hotel that morning the third sign that the fix is in if we can [01:10:18.360 --> 01:10:23.360] conclude or suspect that it's a contrived terror attack altered or [01:10:23.360 --> 01:10:27.360] missing security camera footage like I alluded to before the government will [01:10:27.360 --> 01:10:31.360] not release any known footage of what happened in front of the Murrah building [01:10:31.360 --> 01:10:36.360] 24 video cameras plus hundreds more of activity in convenience stores along the [01:10:36.360 --> 01:10:40.360] route that McVeigh was taking supposedly taking that Ryder truck full of [01:10:40.360 --> 01:10:44.360] explosives from tech from Kansas down Oklahoma all those convenience stores [01:10:44.360 --> 01:10:49.360] had footage if anyone was with McVeigh they have not released that footage so [01:10:49.360 --> 01:10:56.360] far as to actually then we were talking about that 9-11 only partial videos have [01:10:56.360 --> 01:11:00.360] been released of the Pentagon strike none of it actually showing a plane [01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:03.360] striking the Pentagon were led to believe that the headquarters of the [01:11:03.360 --> 01:11:08.360] military industrial complex did not have security camera footage and of course [01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:12.360] the London underground bombings no video has been released showing suicide [01:11:12.360 --> 01:11:15.360] bombers actually detonating their charges and on the bus that exploded in [01:11:15.360 --> 01:11:19.360] Tapstock Square the Brits have told us that all four cameras were [01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:22.360] malfunctioning so yeah the most surveilled place on planet Earth the [01:11:22.360 --> 01:11:26.360] London underground and apparently none of this video surveillance footage is [01:11:26.360 --> 01:11:30.360] actually able to help anyone out the investigation or anything so maybe they [01:11:30.360 --> 01:11:33.360] should stop putting up cameras. [01:11:33.360 --> 01:11:42.360] Number four sign that the fix is in is the presence and the [01:11:42.360 --> 01:11:47.360] activity of untouchable terrorists people who seem to escape slip through the [01:11:47.360 --> 01:11:49.360] hands of federal law enforcement time and time again to continue their [01:11:49.360 --> 01:11:53.360] activities at will we have several known accomplices to Timothy McVeigh and [01:11:53.360 --> 01:11:58.360] Oklahoma City bombing including Andy Strausmeier who's called Andy the [01:11:58.360 --> 01:12:02.360] German who was supposedly head of security at the neo-Nazi compound in [01:12:02.360 --> 01:12:08.360] eastern Oklahoma inciting these people to violence the neo-Nazi compound is [01:12:08.360 --> 01:12:13.360] called a lone city which is a known federal controlled neo-Nazi enclave the [01:12:13.360 --> 01:12:17.360] head the guy who started alone city as confirmed by court papers Robert Malar [01:12:17.360 --> 01:12:23.360] was making $500 a month as an informant for the FBI also the like I said Andy [01:12:23.360 --> 01:12:28.360] Strausmeier a likely agent provocateur was inciting the people in this compound [01:12:28.360 --> 01:12:32.360] to attack the feds to make bombs and to take firearms training. [01:12:32.360 --> 01:12:36.360] He also the last person that Timothy McVeigh called part of the bombing was [01:12:36.360 --> 01:12:40.360] Andy Strausmeier. Andy Strausmeier was never questioned by the FBI allowed to [01:12:40.360 --> 01:12:44.360] leave the country and to this day is a free man and the supposed neo-Nazi this [01:12:44.360 --> 01:12:48.360] day today has a Jewish girlfriend so kind of maybe had a change of heart I [01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:55.360] don't know hopefully did I have other suspicions Melvin Lattimore was [01:12:55.360 --> 01:12:59.360] connected to the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993 his credit card [01:12:59.360 --> 01:13:04.360] was used to buy the bomb making material used in the bomb in 1993 the first World [01:13:04.360 --> 01:13:09.360] Trade Center attack he was later linked to the city bombing seen driving [01:13:09.360 --> 01:13:13.360] McVeigh's car seen in the company of McVeigh the people reported these [01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:17.360] eyewitness reports seeing Melvin Lattimore in the company of McVeigh and [01:13:17.360 --> 01:13:21.360] driving this car and with his accomplices they told the FBI of this [01:13:21.360 --> 01:13:25.360] those 302 eyewitness reports have never been discovered they've they were never [01:13:25.360 --> 01:13:34.360] filed and that is a constant constant you know constant thing with these with [01:13:34.360 --> 01:13:39.360] these attacks with these reports is FBI 302 reports were which are eyewitness [01:13:39.360 --> 01:13:44.360] reports simply being altered where eyewitness reports simply not being [01:13:44.360 --> 01:13:50.360] filed these reports disappearing and what you should know is that the FBI is [01:13:50.360 --> 01:13:57.360] forbidden by their own rules to record eyewitness interviews they must record [01:13:57.360 --> 01:14:01.360] what they hear from a witness on a 302 statement using their memory their [01:14:01.360 --> 01:14:05.360] shorthand capabilities and no recording is allowed when they're actually [01:14:05.360 --> 01:14:09.360] conducting investigations in the field with eyewitnesses when this of course [01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:18.360] lead can lead to vast room for abuse and mistakes and error anyways where was I [01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:23.360] Andy Strasemeyer, Melvin Lattimore, Hussain Al Hussein was John Doe number two [01:14:23.360 --> 01:14:28.360] one of the John Doe number twos Hussain Al Hussein was named as John Doe number [01:14:28.360 --> 01:14:33.360] two accomplice to Tim McVeigh by Channel 4 News in Oklahoma City named by name [01:14:33.360 --> 01:14:37.360] and picture they put his picture on TV they were not afraid of a libel suit [01:14:37.360 --> 01:14:42.360] Hussain Al Hussein actually tried to sue Channel 4 lost his case his alibi was [01:14:42.360 --> 01:14:48.360] proven a lie Hussain Al Hussein John Doe number two guess where he was working [01:14:48.360 --> 01:14:53.360] the morning of 9-eleven Boston's Logan Airport as a baggage handler which is [01:14:53.360 --> 01:14:58.360] where at least one perhaps two I don't recall at least one of the hijacks in [01:14:58.360 --> 01:15:02.360] 9-eleven flight 9-eleven flights originated Boston's Logan Airport and we [01:15:02.360 --> 01:15:05.360] have John Doe number two working there as a baggage handler and if you will [01:15:05.360 --> 01:15:10.360] recall it's also from that airport that that incriminating will and last [01:15:10.360 --> 01:15:16.360] testament of Muhammad Atta simply missed its connection it was later found to [01:15:16.360 --> 01:15:20.360] implicate Muslim extremists in the execution of 9-eleven attacks [01:15:20.360 --> 01:15:24.360] anyways John Doe number two keep that in mind was working at Logan Airport the [01:15:24.360 --> 01:15:28.360] morning of 9-eleven and he is still a free man by the way but his whereabouts [01:15:28.360 --> 01:15:34.360] are unknown let's see 9-eleven we have documentation that six 9-eleven [01:15:34.360 --> 01:15:39.360] hijackers trained on US military bases including Pensacola Air Naval Station [01:15:39.360 --> 01:15:43.360] Maxwell Air Force Base and Monterey Defense Language Institute in Monterey [01:15:43.360 --> 01:15:48.360] California we have documented cases and I believe Jason Burmess has gone to this [01:15:48.360 --> 01:15:54.360] in detail in his movie world fabled enemies am I correct about the 9-eleven [01:15:54.360 --> 01:16:00.360] hijackers training on US military bases so make of that as you will [01:16:01.360 --> 01:16:04.360] Syed Al Ghamdi like I said he went to the Defense Language Institute in [01:16:04.360 --> 01:16:08.360] Monterey California we also have two 9-eleven hijackers living with an [01:16:08.360 --> 01:16:14.360] FBI informant in San Diego California San Diego California this FBI informant [01:16:14.360 --> 01:16:18.360] who was the landlord of two 9-eleven hijackers was not allowed to testify [01:16:18.360 --> 01:16:22.360] before the 9-eleven Commission so that's very interesting like I said the point [01:16:22.360 --> 01:16:25.360] of all this information is that you have these people these people that are [01:16:25.360 --> 01:16:29.360] implicated in these attacks simply slipping through the fingers of federal [01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:34.360] law enforcement time and time again before during and after so what are we [01:16:34.360 --> 01:16:38.360] to conclude from that remember in the days after 9-eleven several thousand [01:16:38.360 --> 01:16:42.360] people of Arab American extraction Arab immigrants were incarcerated in this [01:16:42.360 --> 01:16:47.360] country thrown into jail under extra constitutional reasons held for months [01:16:47.360 --> 01:16:51.360] at a time under the most dubious of excuses final release usually with no [01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:55.360] charges sometimes they were you know you know they had immigration charges [01:16:55.360 --> 01:16:58.360] pressed against them but the fact is you have all these other people [01:16:58.360 --> 01:17:03.360] conducting all these other activities not subject to the same heavy hand of [01:17:03.360 --> 01:17:09.360] investigation of abuse so what are we to conclude from that Ali Mohammed US [01:17:09.360 --> 01:17:13.360] Army veteran assigned to special operations command was and confirmed was [01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:19.360] a protected federal informant he was involved in the 1993 bombing of the [01:17:19.360 --> 01:17:23.360] World Trade Center towers he involved in the Oklahoma City bombing as confirmed [01:17:23.360 --> 01:17:29.360] by Kerry Gagan and he was involved in 9-eleven as confirmed by himself to FBI [01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:35.360] interrogators this man was doing all of these activities as an FBI informant and [01:17:35.360 --> 01:17:40.360] he is still as we have yet to discover a free man as far as we know maybe in the [01:17:40.360 --> 01:17:47.360] witness protection program but has not been prosecuted for his crimes and like [01:17:47.360 --> 01:17:51.360] I said before we have a solid link through Ali Mohammed from the World [01:17:51.360 --> 01:17:58.360] Trade Center bombing in 1993 to 1995 the city bombing to 9-eleven at least one [01:17:58.360 --> 01:18:04.360] man confirmed and then the fifth sign is evidence of supplemental explosives to [01:18:04.360 --> 01:18:09.360] maximize damage we didn't go too much into the damage at the Murrah building [01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:13.360] but is it is beyond proven that there were explosives inside the building as [01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:18.360] confirmed by General Benton K. Parton who was head of the Air Force Armaments [01:18:18.360 --> 01:18:23.360] Laboratory he invented the smart bomb he spent his whole career blowing things up [01:18:23.360 --> 01:18:27.360] for the US military he confirmed in his report that there must have been [01:18:27.360 --> 01:18:31.360] explosives inside the building blowing up core columns because he had columns [01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:36.360] closer to the truck relatively intact columns inside the building utterly [01:18:36.360 --> 01:18:41.360] demolished and destroyed if you buy copies a copy of final reports we have [01:18:41.360 --> 01:18:45.360] at least that report and another by another independent investigative firm [01:18:45.360 --> 01:18:50.360] going into even more detail proving that there were must have been interior [01:18:50.360 --> 01:18:59.360] explosives inside the building and this is confirmed so restricted this is even [01:18:59.360 --> 01:19:03.360] more confirmed by firsthand reports me and Chris have talked to first [01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:10.360] responders to the Oklahoma City bombing who found other explosives inside the [01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:17.360] building we have talked to a dog sniffing a dog handler who found mercury [01:19:17.360 --> 01:19:22.360] fulminate unexploded attached to the main gas line in the Murrah building [01:19:22.360 --> 01:19:26.360] with mercury timers they were set to go off five minutes after the first [01:19:26.360 --> 01:19:32.360] explosion this is a classic terror attack you have the main explosion which [01:19:32.360 --> 01:19:36.360] draws in onlookers and first responders and you have a much larger second [01:19:36.360 --> 01:19:41.360] explosion which takes out even more casualties for some reason these bombs [01:19:41.360 --> 01:19:49.360] did alright this goes out to all the adolescent powers that be you know who [01:19:49.360 --> 01:20:18.360] you are you might even be the president [01:20:19.360 --> 01:20:22.360] yeah [01:20:38.360 --> 01:20:41.360] one thing [01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:44.360] there's angels in this world [01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:47.360] if you don't believe me [01:20:47.360 --> 01:20:50.360] if you're trying to deceive me [01:20:50.360 --> 01:20:53.360] why you gotta be so rude [01:20:53.360 --> 01:20:56.360] you know a punk ass attitude [01:20:56.360 --> 01:21:00.360] talk to people who assume that McVeigh acted alone as a disgruntled loner [01:21:00.360 --> 01:21:06.360] and he blew up an info and they just take it at face value I mean I'm more [01:21:06.360 --> 01:21:09.360] almost like in a different planet I look at them I can't even I can barely even [01:21:09.360 --> 01:21:12.360] talk to because I we have lived this story we have talked to the people who [01:21:12.360 --> 01:21:19.360] saw this and did the official story is now right line from top to bottom [01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:26.360] outright lie course we've all seen probably I'm sure plenty of video and [01:21:26.360 --> 01:21:32.360] scientific evidence of other supplemental explosions on 9-eleven and [01:21:32.360 --> 01:21:36.360] of course on 7-7 there's at least one report of the damage to the subway [01:21:36.360 --> 01:21:41.360] trains coming from below the train but the point is what we see is a fifth [01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:45.360] sign is that there's almost always supplemental explosive damage it's not [01:21:45.360 --> 01:21:50.360] bad enough to blow up a truck outside a federal building you have to plant [01:21:50.360 --> 01:21:54.360] bombs inside the building to maximize damage to kill children it's not enough [01:21:54.360 --> 01:21:58.360] to crash a plane into a tower you actually have to bring it down with [01:21:58.360 --> 01:22:03.360] thermite so not only are they speaking and aiding these attacks they're [01:22:03.360 --> 01:22:09.360] actually maximizing damage the sixth sign of a contrived terror attack [01:22:09.360 --> 01:22:13.360] behold the major media cover-up almost all these facts I've recited you have [01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:16.360] been reported at one time or another by major media sources they're just [01:22:16.360 --> 01:22:21.360] reported and left to die to rot at some point the government may offer a very [01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:26.360] lame excuse and that is the end of the story and that tells you which side of [01:22:26.360 --> 01:22:31.360] the story the media is on which side of this of this information fight that the [01:22:31.360 --> 01:22:36.360] media is on it's not our it's not our side the major media is on the side of [01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:42.360] the status quo maintaining business keeping corporate revenue coming in not [01:22:42.360 --> 01:22:47.360] into an inciting a change of government which wouldn't which would be the [01:22:47.360 --> 01:22:53.360] necessary outcome of a true investigation of these attacks so keep [01:22:53.360 --> 01:22:57.360] that in mind even if they were handed the truth in their lap they would kick [01:22:57.360 --> 01:23:01.360] it off [01:23:08.360 --> 01:23:18.360] are we on time I'd like to get into story we broke last year which is a [01:23:18.360 --> 01:23:25.360] further confirmation of links between 9-eleven and Oklahoma City last year [01:23:25.360 --> 01:23:30.360] Chris Emory and myself an agent Griffin broke a story on Jack Blood's deadline [01:23:30.360 --> 01:23:34.360] live a story we've been investigating for about a year and a half basically [01:23:34.360 --> 01:23:39.360] consisted of a eyewitness coming to us with a pretty fantastic story of [01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:44.360] witnessing some of the 9-eleven hijackers hanging out in his bar in [01:23:44.360 --> 01:23:49.360] Oklahoma City prior just days prior to Oklahoma City I mean just prior to 9-eleven [01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:57.360] and at least one coming into the yeah and at least one coming into the bar [01:23:57.360 --> 01:24:23.360] that he worked at after the bombing we can go into the hustle article they're [01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:32.360] interesting anyways basically consisted of a man going to a major media figure [01:24:32.360 --> 01:24:36.360] in this movement with this information and Kevin Smith referring them to us [01:24:36.360 --> 01:24:39.360] because we were in Oklahoma City and we heard his story is pretty fantastic [01:24:39.360 --> 01:24:42.360] consisting of some of the 9-eleven hijackers hanging out in Oklahoma City [01:24:42.360 --> 01:24:46.360] prior to 9-eleven and at least one who supposedly supposed to be dead [01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:52.360] incinerated coming into his bar after the attacks we recorded this we recorded [01:24:52.360 --> 01:24:56.360] this photo we recorded this info and did nothing with it simply because what are [01:24:56.360 --> 01:25:00.360] we to make of this story nothing we can't verify it we had every reason to [01:25:00.360 --> 01:25:04.360] believe the man he had evidence but frankly I wouldn't believe it if I heard [01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:12.360] it from someone else so we sat on it later on we had a second independent [01:25:12.360 --> 01:25:18.360] verifiable very very verifiable witness come forward with very similar [01:25:18.360 --> 01:25:28.360] information basically in the days prior to 9-eleven I believe four days prior [01:25:28.360 --> 01:25:33.360] Muhammad Atta and for the 9-eleven hijackers and she remembered them by [01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:37.360] sight walked into the Oklahoma City National Memorial to take a tour this [01:25:37.360 --> 01:25:41.360] woman was a tour guide and a survivor of the Oklahoma City bombing and a friend [01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:46.360] of the Oklahoma bombing investigation committee Muhammad Atta for hijackers [01:25:46.360 --> 01:25:50.360] walk into the memorial and started cracking jokes and making light of the [01:25:50.360 --> 01:25:55.360] situation this is very distinctive because this woman has never had to deal [01:25:55.360 --> 01:26:00.360] with a situation like that ever and she told these men to shut up and they left [01:26:00.360 --> 01:26:05.360] shortly thereafter she remembered Muhammad Atta's cold stare basically [01:26:05.360 --> 01:26:08.360] she'll remember that site for the rest of her life as many people who have [01:26:08.360 --> 01:26:14.360] dealt with Muhammad Atta have described that cold stare a couple days later 9-eleven [01:26:14.360 --> 01:26:18.360] occurs she reports this information to the FBI and of course she is told that [01:26:18.360 --> 01:26:23.360] she is a crazy woman but she held on to it and finally she came forward once [01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:28.360] again we're able to get a hold of her and we're able to verify the fact that [01:26:28.360 --> 01:26:32.360] Muhammad Atta and his cohorts were hanging out in Oklahoma City two [01:26:32.360 --> 01:26:36.360] different locations in Oklahoma City in the days prior to 9-eleven one being a [01:26:36.360 --> 01:26:41.360] bar in South Oklahoma City which by the way is a hangout for cops firemen and [01:26:41.360 --> 01:26:45.360] government employees I know this for a fact because I worked there one night to [01:26:45.360 --> 01:26:50.360] check it out and there's cops all over the place and it's the last place in the [01:26:50.360 --> 01:26:55.360] world where G Hottest would be spending their free time drinking alcohol last [01:26:55.360 --> 01:27:05.360] place in the world and it's country music so either laugh or cry but anyways [01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:09.360] we broke that story last year on deadlinelive.com just another piece in the [01:27:09.360 --> 01:27:12.360] puzzle what to make of all this information I don't know if you're [01:27:12.360 --> 01:27:15.360] asking me to tell you what really happened I cannot tell you what really [01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:20.360] happened I have my own theories and my own speculations but the information is [01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:26.360] there and at the very least it proves 110% that the government these men were [01:27:26.360 --> 01:27:36.360] in Oklahoma City prior to just prior to 9-eleven we have their credit card [01:27:36.360 --> 01:27:40.360] receipts one of the credit cards was expired by six months it's still passed [01:27:40.360 --> 01:27:43.360] still able to pay with the credit card I've never heard of that I used to work [01:27:43.360 --> 01:27:46.360] in the bar business never heard of a credit card expired actually being still [01:27:46.360 --> 01:27:50.360] valid and could be used to pay for something but it was on two different [01:27:50.360 --> 01:28:00.360] occasions and he did not tip you know as you want me to go to turn to you [01:28:00.360 --> 01:28:07.360] referring to the hustle article if you want to look that up we also broke a [01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:12.360] story two years ago about Bill Bean who was a filmmaker actually coming up with [01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:17.360] footage of McVeigh training on a military base in explosives a year after [01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:21.360] he left the military so and he suffered extreme harassment due to that but you [01:28:21.360 --> 01:28:25.360] can look that up hustler actually broke the story after sending the witness to [01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:28.360] us to verify it it's a very interesting story you should look that up look up [01:28:28.360 --> 01:28:34.360] Bill Bean and several other news sources covered it anyways Terrence Yankee we've [01:28:34.360 --> 01:28:39.360] talked about him before Terrence Yankee was the first officer to respond to the [01:28:39.360 --> 01:28:44.360] bombing he was writing a traffic ticket just a couple blocks away he immediately [01:28:44.360 --> 01:28:51.360] responded the bombing he saved at least eight lives I believe this is Terrence [01:28:51.360 --> 01:28:55.360] Yankee walking back into the Murrah building after depositing one of the [01:28:55.360 --> 01:28:59.360] survivors and thus saving his life he's going back into the Murrah building with [01:28:59.360 --> 01:29:03.360] blood covered on his uniform and he suffered extreme back injuries due to [01:29:03.360 --> 01:29:11.360] this anyways by all accounts Yankee was an outstanding officer known for his [01:29:11.360 --> 01:29:14.360] meticulous report writing when he submitted his report to his superiors he [01:29:14.360 --> 01:29:18.360] was told to edit it and cut it down which is almost unheard of any cops or [01:29:18.360 --> 01:29:22.360] law enforcement here you know that you probably have a problem getting cops [01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:26.360] writing extensive enough reports on what they see Yankee was told to edit his [01:29:26.360 --> 01:29:31.360] down to two pages down from I believe 17 pages of what he saw which is unheard [01:29:31.360 --> 01:29:35.360] of I've talked to police officers on the Oklahoma City Police Force and that's [01:29:35.360 --> 01:29:40.360] almost unheard of what is in that report we do not know it was dumped in a trash [01:29:40.360 --> 01:29:45.360] can and Yankee was subject to basically petty and increasingly amounts of [01:29:45.360 --> 01:29:50.360] harassment from those within the department and some people with outside [01:29:50.360 --> 01:29:54.360] the department in the year up to his death the year after the bombing he was [01:29:54.360 --> 01:29:59.360] found on federal property in El Reno handcuffed marks on his wrist he had [01:29:59.360 --> 01:30:05.360] been cut beaten stabbed dragged through the mud as indicated by the blood the [01:30:05.360 --> 01:30:10.360] mud packed into his wounds and he had been shot top of the head the bullet [01:30:10.360 --> 01:30:17.360] came out his jawline and this was ruled a suicide and this is a police officer [01:30:17.360 --> 01:30:22.360] found in the woods cut shot stabbed with handcuffed marks and no autopsy was [01:30:22.360 --> 01:30:26.360] performed no ballistic test was performed on the weapon this was federal land [01:30:26.360 --> 01:30:31.360] therefore the feds had control of the situation Bob Ricks whom we mentioned [01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:36.360] later found the weapon after no one else could after people were going arms [01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:40.360] linked through the grass and the brush looking for a murder weapon Bob Ricks [01:30:40.360 --> 01:30:43.360] after flying over in a helicopter came out of the bushes with a pistol in his [01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:47.360] hand said he had found the murder weapon or the suicide weapon of course we [01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:52.360] don't know because no ballistic test was performed compare and contrast two [01:30:52.360 --> 01:30:56.360] years ago in Oklahoma City a police officer got in a motorcycle wreck or a [01:30:56.360 --> 01:30:59.360] car wreck there's no dispute about this random telephone pole was killed they [01:30:59.360 --> 01:31:03.360] performed an autopsy upon this unfortunate police officer just as a [01:31:03.360 --> 01:31:08.360] matter of course compare contrast Terrence Yankee found in the woods shot [01:31:08.360 --> 01:31:13.360] stabbed beaten handcuffed no autopsy performed no ballistic test performed and [01:31:13.360 --> 01:31:23.360] it's ruled a suicide do we have a footage of the protest we did okay we [01:31:23.360 --> 01:31:26.360] held a press conference on the grounds of the city police headquarters that [01:31:26.360 --> 01:31:31.360] marked the 10-year anniversary of the murder of Terrence Yankee demanding that [01:31:31.360 --> 01:31:36.360] the city police look into this reopen the case look into Yankees murder I have [01:31:36.360 --> 01:31:41.360] talked to other police officers who know what was up with that they know that the [01:31:41.360 --> 01:31:45.360] message was sent I have talked to police officers in other departments who asked [01:31:45.360 --> 01:31:50.360] me about Terrence Yankee who knew that it was a murder other police officers [01:31:50.360 --> 01:31:54.360] and what Yankee knew we do not know we do not know what Terrence Yankee knew we [01:31:54.360 --> 01:31:57.360] know that he was holding something back this is what he told his family but we [01:31:57.360 --> 01:32:01.360] do know that the message that was sent through his murder and torture murder is [01:32:01.360 --> 01:32:05.360] that to tell other law enforcement officers to keep their mouth shut as as [01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:09.360] and a lot of them have many close friends of Yankee left town immediately [01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:12.360] after his death back to one of his closest friends on the forest the day of [01:32:12.360 --> 01:32:16.360] the funeral packed all of his stuff into a truck and moved to Dallas another [01:32:16.360 --> 01:32:20.360] police officer one of the police officers a friend of his as recorded by [01:32:20.360 --> 01:32:28.360] a witness who he sent to ask questions left a dinner left a planned dinner got [01:32:28.360 --> 01:32:44.360] left the restaurant when asked about Terrence Yankee anyways Terrence Yankee [01:32:44.360 --> 01:32:49.360] was murdered and that case is the family is still looking into it and all of them [01:32:49.360 --> 01:32:53.360] to a person are convinced that it was a murder they know it was a murder so [01:32:53.360 --> 01:33:04.360] anyways I'm Holland and I have had the opportunity to meet his mother I met [01:33:04.360 --> 01:33:10.360] his grandmother and aunt and of course his sisters and some nieces and here [01:33:10.360 --> 01:33:14.360] again folks you know it you meet the family and not only the protocol of how [01:33:14.360 --> 01:33:19.360] his investigation was completely botched but how the family was treated after [01:33:19.360 --> 01:33:24.360] Terry's murder and it just completely flies in the face of reason and just [01:33:24.360 --> 01:33:29.360] just common decency and respect and so that's why we Holland was instrumental [01:33:29.360 --> 01:33:35.360] putting the press conference together was May 8 of 2006 10 years to the day [01:33:35.360 --> 01:33:39.360] after his murder we stood in a parking lot right across the street from the [01:33:39.360 --> 01:33:44.360] OCPD headquarters in downtown Oklahoma City and you came with your wife and [01:33:44.360 --> 01:33:48.360] young boy and there were about 16 others including three of the four members of [01:33:48.360 --> 01:33:54.360] the committee so you know this is this is all hands-on experience and to try to [01:33:54.360 --> 01:33:58.360] get the story out I mean Alex has done a superb job in fact I remember having an [01:33:58.360 --> 01:34:00.360] interview with Alex Jones two weeks before the press conference he was kind [01:34:00.360 --> 01:34:04.360] enough to have me on a show for five minutes it's that type of exposure that [01:34:04.360 --> 01:34:09.360] is very important and that's why we're glad that you're here at least to get a [01:34:09.360 --> 01:34:12.360] better idea of the piece of history surrounding this case so anyway we're [01:34:12.360 --> 01:34:15.360] going to open up for questions and answers we've got another mic here you [01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:19.360] want to hold this one yeah one last thing I know it's a lot of information I [01:34:19.360 --> 01:34:21.360] probably went pretty fast because I've been dealing with this stuff for a couple [01:34:21.360 --> 01:34:26.360] years now but the point I want to get across is that something like this may [01:34:26.360 --> 01:34:30.360] happen again and we need to keep the eye out of what the information I presented [01:34:30.360 --> 01:34:33.360] to you Chris has presented to you if we start seeing you know some of these [01:34:33.360 --> 01:34:37.360] telltales again we know something is up so and I like I said I think the [01:34:37.360 --> 01:34:40.360] political environment in this country now is very similar to what happened in [01:34:40.360 --> 01:34:44.360] the mid 90s when the Oklahoma City bombing occurred so I think it's very [01:34:44.360 --> 01:34:55.360] pertinent but are we going to Q&A I hope we're doing okay on your schedule here [01:34:55.360 --> 01:35:01.360] Harlan we're good I want to let you folks know that we are offering these [01:35:01.360 --> 01:35:06.360] for sale Harlan is going to have them at the counter I discounted half to $20 [01:35:06.360 --> 01:35:11.360] versus the 40 that they originally were selling for and we have all of the [01:35:11.360 --> 01:35:15.360] updates that we in more detail that we brought on the presentation or presented [01:35:15.360 --> 01:35:19.360] here today including the original book review by the new American magazine all [01:35:19.360 --> 01:35:23.360] the way through and I know Holland doesn't like to toot his own horn but [01:35:23.360 --> 01:35:27.360] this is you know and I've said this on the show and even other speaking [01:35:27.360 --> 01:35:32.360] engagements I've made in the United States this is one of the best reviews of [01:35:32.360 --> 01:35:37.360] the case in the title 9-11 ever written and it was posted on actually came out [01:35:37.360 --> 01:35:44.360] in 2000 2006 or no 2000 yeah anniversary last year in the night and [01:35:44.360 --> 01:35:49.360] 9-11 truth org is presented at 9-11 blogger there's five pages double-sided [01:35:49.360 --> 01:35:52.360] that's part of the chronological order of these updates so that's an added [01:35:52.360 --> 01:35:56.360] bonus to the book of course wasn't in there when it was originally published [01:35:56.360 --> 01:36:22.360] anyways if you have any questions he forfeited all his appeals and was one [01:36:22.360 --> 01:36:31.360] of the first people executed in several decades that's open to speculation [01:36:31.360 --> 01:36:35.360] obviously he hastened his own death he took no part in his defense he took no [01:36:35.360 --> 01:36:41.360] part in trying to you know spare his own life as if he was actually executed I [01:36:41.360 --> 01:36:46.360] don't know there has been some reports on the internet that he may not have [01:36:46.360 --> 01:36:52.360] died I don't know it's very likely the fact is that there was leverage on McVeigh [01:36:52.360 --> 01:36:57.360] to keep his mouth shut maybe many of you don't know that he actually had a child [01:36:57.360 --> 01:37:02.360] his sister was also under the thumb by the feds so there's a variety of things [01:37:02.360 --> 01:37:04.360] that could have been done to keep make him keep his mouth shut and asked if he [01:37:04.360 --> 01:37:10.360] actually lived I don't know I don't know just to follow up on that there's a [01:37:10.360 --> 01:37:14.360] theory actually by a very trusted friend of ours and source W. Craig Roberts out [01:37:14.360 --> 01:37:19.360] of Tulsa he's a retired investigator with the Tulsa Police Department and was [01:37:19.360 --> 01:37:24.360] actually asked by the FBI field office in Tulsa to help investigate this case [01:37:24.360 --> 01:37:28.360] early on within 48 hours after it occurred his theory on this and I think [01:37:28.360 --> 01:37:33.360] there's there's actually some good credence to it it says 50% yes 50% no [01:37:33.360 --> 01:37:39.360] that he's he's dead because McVeigh what we've seen in the evidence folks and [01:37:39.360 --> 01:37:42.360] the people we've talked to is that he he had to go through special forces [01:37:42.360 --> 01:37:47.360] training and where he was the timeline in fact him being cited in North Dakota [01:37:47.360 --> 01:37:51.360] it's covered brilliantly in the Hustler magazine article is that that [01:37:51.360 --> 01:37:55.360] particular sighting there was in the the hole the black hole the FBI had no [01:37:55.360 --> 01:37:59.360] idea where he was for four months it dovetailed perfectly with that schedule [01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:03.360] in that sighting so having said that is if you have other operatives like him [01:38:03.360 --> 01:38:07.360] whether they be on legitimate or rogue operations with the CIA or whatever [01:38:07.360 --> 01:38:12.360] agency that's within the you know intelligence community if they see the [01:38:12.360 --> 01:38:15.360] McVeigh's killed there's no way that they're going to come forward and [01:38:15.360 --> 01:38:18.360] volunteer for these services so the recruitment is pretty much cut off cold [01:38:18.360 --> 01:38:22.360] right there Craig's point was if he if he's alive which there is some credence [01:38:22.360 --> 01:38:26.360] he is then that would foster more recruitment for these services if he's [01:38:26.360 --> 01:38:32.360] dead forget it all bets are off as to McVeigh being a fed we can also rely [01:38:32.360 --> 01:38:38.360] upon the deposition given by Terry Nichols in 2006 January I believe Terry [01:38:38.360 --> 01:38:41.360] Nichols stated for the record that Tim McVeigh was working for Larry Potts [01:38:41.360 --> 01:38:45.360] assistant director of the FBI keep in mind that Nichols has nothing to gain [01:38:45.360 --> 01:38:49.360] everything everything to lose by these revelations we've seen the fate of [01:38:49.360 --> 01:38:54.360] people in federal custody of information about the Oakland City bombing besides [01:38:54.360 --> 01:38:58.360] trying to do at least two other federal prisoners were murdered in federal [01:38:58.360 --> 01:39:02.360] custody because of what they knew about the Oakland City bombing so Nichols has [01:39:02.360 --> 01:39:29.360] everything to lose by talking and he has been talking a little so not [01:39:29.360 --> 01:39:32.360] specifically but generally you see a lot of cooperation between the ADL and the [01:39:32.360 --> 01:39:37.360] FBI and fostering incidents to justify their budgets so I would not be surprised [01:39:37.360 --> 01:39:41.360] at all one comment on that the ADL connection Southern Poverty Law Center [01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:46.360] more steeze ahead of that they disparaged our 10-year anniversary get [01:39:46.360 --> 01:39:52.360] together back in 2005 by saying that get this victims family members and [01:39:52.360 --> 01:39:57.360] survivors that were attending including myself and in the committee some of the [01:39:57.360 --> 01:40:01.360] members of the committee we were a police and law enforcement threat to the [01:40:01.360 --> 01:40:05.360] United States which is completely bogus so you know just on that alone it's [01:40:05.360 --> 01:40:09.360] really they certainly compromise any credibility they have but the ADL [01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:14.360] connection to LOM City great question Andrea Strasmayer his particular Kirk [01:40:14.360 --> 01:40:18.360] Lyons his attorney oddly enough who represented some of the defendants in the [01:40:18.360 --> 01:40:23.360] Waco case actually helped spirit him out of the United States going to Mexico [01:40:23.360 --> 01:40:26.360] City and then to Berlin he didn't live out of New York or any other port like [01:40:26.360 --> 01:40:32.360] Chicago or Miami he had to go to Mexico and then to to Germany so Kirk Lyons was [01:40:32.360 --> 01:40:35.360] an employee in fact it's documented that he was on the payroll with the ADL for [01:40:35.360 --> 01:40:42.360] many years don't forget to mention which organization has you a nefarious photo [01:40:42.360 --> 01:40:49.360] of you either the ADL or Chris Emory is listed as a hate speech monger for [01:40:49.360 --> 01:40:54.360] talking about this and for the record for the record we have never and never [01:40:54.360 --> 01:40:57.360] will attack someone due to their race or religious beliefs has nothing to do with [01:40:57.360 --> 01:41:02.360] any of this so they to call us spreading hate speech for simply asking questions [01:41:02.360 --> 01:41:30.360] about the city bombing is height of ridiculousness well there's a fact that [01:41:30.360 --> 01:41:36.360] Charles Key I believe had introduced the first legislation to basically the birth [01:41:36.360 --> 01:41:42.360] of the 10th Amendment movement was in 1994 under resolution sponsored by [01:41:42.360 --> 01:41:49.360] Charles Key yes and as to a concrete link I can't tell you but it certainly [01:41:49.360 --> 01:41:54.360] is convenient Charles said that they actually drafted it tried to author that [01:41:54.360 --> 01:42:00.360] in March of 94 was actually passed by unanimous vote in the house the state [01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:04.360] house in March 24 believe they signed in 1994 so we're looking a full 11 months [01:42:04.360 --> 01:42:08.360] beforehand whether there's any connection we don't know but from the [01:42:08.360 --> 01:42:11.360] conversations we have with Charles and some of his colleagues it was completely [01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:17.360] separate it was done in good faith and who knows as Charles has said many times [01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:20.360] who the evil genius was behind the Oklahoma City bombing what motives they [01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:34.360] had so [01:42:34.360 --> 01:42:43.360] final jihad was a book written by Martin Keating in 1993 first published in 1994 [01:42:43.360 --> 01:42:47.360] Martin Keating is the brother was the brother or is the brother of the then [01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:53.360] Oklahoma governor Frank Keating this book was called final jihad and released [01:42:53.360 --> 01:42:58.360] a year before the bombing it talked about a character named Tom Tom McVeigh [01:42:58.360 --> 01:43:04.360] spelled differently but still McVeigh in CVE why planning to bomb a federal [01:43:04.360 --> 01:43:09.360] building in Oklahoma this was actually reported on Channel 4 yeah I say this [01:43:09.360 --> 01:43:13.360] with a straight face I mean if I if I made a script like this people would [01:43:13.360 --> 01:43:17.360] would shoot me down you know it's just ridiculous but the fact is that Martin [01:43:17.360 --> 01:43:20.360] Keating the brother of Oklahoma governor wrote a book about Tom McVeigh blowing up [01:43:20.360 --> 01:43:24.360] a federal building a year prior to the bombing also there are scenarios in it [01:43:24.360 --> 01:43:29.360] about planes crashing into buildings and lack of Air Force interception this book [01:43:29.360 --> 01:43:32.360] is very hard to obtain you can probably go to Amazon try to find some copies out [01:43:32.360 --> 01:43:37.360] there Martin Keating is written at least one sequel according to his website and [01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:40.360] I'm going to get a hold of that as soon as I can to see what else we have in [01:43:40.360 --> 01:43:44.360] store for us but that is just an undeniable fact that Martin Keating the [01:43:44.360 --> 01:43:47.360] brother of the Oklahoma governor wrote a book about a Tom McVeigh bombing a [01:43:47.360 --> 01:43:54.360] federal building so make of that as you will they dedicate to the Knights of the [01:43:54.360 --> 01:44:12.360] Secret Circle which well I was referring to the fact that the FBI headquarters at [01:44:12.360 --> 01:44:16.360] 50 Penn Place in northwest Oklahoma City separate from the Moore building their [01:44:16.360 --> 01:44:20.360] headquarters was separate they evacuated their building half hour prior to the [01:44:20.360 --> 01:44:24.360] storm building explosion as confirmed by radio transcripts of the radio interview [01:44:24.360 --> 01:44:28.360] that was going on below it at the time and by of course numerous eyewitness [01:44:28.360 --> 01:44:37.360] accounts so the FBI evacuated their headquarters half hour before the bombing [01:44:37.360 --> 01:44:41.360] okay my other question was just about if you could talk a little more about [01:44:41.360 --> 01:44:50.360] Trinidadu and I'd never heard anything about him before so any other information [01:44:50.360 --> 01:44:53.360] you could provide on him. Jesse Trinidadu is actually he's an insurance attorney [01:44:53.360 --> 01:44:58.360] out of Salt Lake City his brother by the way there's let's see the conspiracy [01:44:58.360 --> 01:45:03.360] files BBC did a great job a 12-minute segment starting at about 16 minutes in [01:45:03.360 --> 01:45:10.360] if you Google or Ixquick as Dr. Albrecht would say conspiracy files by the BBC [01:45:10.360 --> 01:45:17.360] it was released in I want to say the fall of 2008 his brother was actually a [01:45:17.360 --> 01:45:21.360] bank robber and he didn't kill anybody but he took down banks I mean he just he [01:45:21.360 --> 01:45:25.360] didn't go for the teller he shut the whole banks down served his time he was [01:45:25.360 --> 01:45:31.360] a freelance construction worker but his parole officer pretty much said one of [01:45:31.360 --> 01:45:34.360] the mandates was you can't drink beer when you're on parole and Kenny didn't [01:45:34.360 --> 01:45:38.360] want everything to do with that so he quit reporting to the parole officer for [01:45:38.360 --> 01:45:43.360] several years he goes down to Mexico because his wife's from Mexico crosses [01:45:43.360 --> 01:45:49.360] the border comes back through the Port of San Diego and get stopped the make of [01:45:49.360 --> 01:45:55.360] his vehicle the year the tattoo on his left forearm his body build the mustache [01:45:55.360 --> 01:45:59.360] the hair color the physique everything is almost a he's a stunt double of [01:45:59.360 --> 01:46:03.360] Richard Lee Guthrie who was actually a suspected accomplice of McVeigh and a [01:46:03.360 --> 01:46:06.360] whole string of bank robberies throughout them the Midwest in the years [01:46:06.360 --> 01:46:09.360] leading up to the Oklahoma City bombing he's brought into Oklahoma City and at [01:46:09.360 --> 01:46:13.360] the time it was a brand-new transfer facility you'll ever see the movie con [01:46:13.360 --> 01:46:16.360] air this is literally the real-life version of that geographically [01:46:16.360 --> 01:46:20.360] Oklahoma City being in the center of the country that's ideal for all points in [01:46:20.360 --> 01:46:24.360] between the East and West Coast to transfer your cons anyway so he's there [01:46:24.360 --> 01:46:29.360] on a routine parole violation hearing and he calls his brother up he arrives I [01:46:29.360 --> 01:46:34.360] believe on August the 19th and he's found dead on August 21 less than 48 [01:46:34.360 --> 01:46:39.360] hours he's brutally tortured or murdered what we found out from from that was [01:46:39.360 --> 01:46:42.360] that the prison ward number one had no idea that Kenny Trinidad who had a [01:46:42.360 --> 01:46:48.360] family because he was there on an alias name what it was I forgot first name was [01:46:48.360 --> 01:46:53.360] Paul anyway one of his alias names that he used as a bank robber and number two [01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:57.360] she freaked out when she found out only had a family but his brother was an [01:46:57.360 --> 01:47:01.360] attorney they knew that it was pretty much they were really messed up from [01:47:01.360 --> 01:47:06.360] there of course Jesse his brother is stuck on to this thing like a pit bull and [01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:10.360] a pork chop we've we talked to him many times we asked him to actually speak at [01:47:10.360 --> 01:47:14.360] the 10-year anniversary dinner he could not because of business obligations but [01:47:14.360 --> 01:47:17.360] he's actually become a very good friend of not only the committee but a lot of [01:47:17.360 --> 01:47:21.360] the victims family members that have finally realized that they've been given [01:47:21.360 --> 01:47:24.360] the short end of the stick on this story Jesse's the one that has stuck through [01:47:24.360 --> 01:47:28.360] thick and thin has gone to you know what and back and has finally got that [01:47:28.360 --> 01:47:31.360] multi-million dollar award and he's putting a lot of his own resources in [01:47:31.360 --> 01:47:36.360] it continuing to research the case as far as his brother yes in fact Fred [01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:40.360] Jordan the state medical examiner botched many times that it was not a case of [01:47:40.360 --> 01:47:48.360] suicide it was an unsolved homicide case also on that Richard Lee Guthrie later [01:47:48.360 --> 01:47:51.360] went up dead hung his own cell before he was about to give an interview about to [01:47:51.360 --> 01:47:55.360] what he knew about McVeigh he was a likely accomplice and the man that [01:47:55.360 --> 01:48:00.360] Trent to do was mistaken for the man across the cell from Trent to do when he [01:48:00.360 --> 01:48:04.360] was killed reported that Bureau of prison guards had entered that cell the [01:48:04.360 --> 01:48:07.360] sounds of a struggle ensued and when they left they had blood on their [01:48:07.360 --> 01:48:13.360] uniforms and that turned to do was alive and moaning this prisoner later hung [01:48:13.360 --> 01:48:16.360] himself in his own cell the day before he's supposed to give a deposition [01:48:16.360 --> 01:48:21.360] attesting to these facts so we saw a massive cleanup operation underway and [01:48:21.360 --> 01:48:27.360] like I said that is that's even more testament to the courage of Terry [01:48:27.360 --> 01:48:31.360] Nichols in providing the information he has bees he is very much vulnerable in a [01:48:31.360 --> 01:48:35.360] system that has proven that it will kill you for what you know about it about the [01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:45.360] Oklahoma City bombing so anything else some of this stuff I remember some of [01:48:45.360 --> 01:48:48.360] it's a blur because it all moved pretty fast especially when the hustler [01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:51.360] articles were coming out was the guy that did the film named being was that [01:48:51.360 --> 01:48:55.360] what bill being that's all right thought I remembered but you know we were doing [01:48:55.360 --> 01:49:00.360] the 9-eleven articles for for hustler coming out in March of 2007 and we were [01:49:00.360 --> 01:49:04.360] working with them on the Oklahoma City and working with you guys and we agreed [01:49:04.360 --> 01:49:08.360] to keep it quiet till the hustler hit the stands that day and then that's the [01:49:08.360 --> 01:49:12.360] day we had bill being on and started streaming the video and you know you can [01:49:12.360 --> 01:49:16.360] measure the eyes and all that kind of stuff and it's it's him a younger you [01:49:16.360 --> 01:49:19.360] know because we used to see in McVeigh right before he died you know but this [01:49:19.360 --> 01:49:23.360] was a younger more healthy in shape special forces guys but was it it's [01:49:23.360 --> 01:49:30.360] Fort Grafton or Gaffton is that correct okay and it was a demolitions training [01:49:30.360 --> 01:49:34.360] base correct so he's getting some demolition training there and I'm trying [01:49:34.360 --> 01:49:39.360] to remember all this stuff when when Jesse Trinidadu initially released [01:49:39.360 --> 01:49:44.360] documents to me they were unsealed and then they immediately sealed them back [01:49:44.360 --> 01:49:48.360] like within a day and we'd already got a copy of it now is that stuff still [01:49:48.360 --> 01:49:53.360] sealed or is it well hold on let me I'll just hand it back to you so my question [01:49:53.360 --> 01:49:57.360] is are those documents still sealed and Jesse also sent me all the autopsy [01:49:57.360 --> 01:50:01.360] photos of his brother is that stuff public because that was disturbing I [01:50:01.360 --> 01:50:05.360] mean that was horrible to see a guy that had been beaten to death like that on [01:50:05.360 --> 01:50:10.360] the table so you know just trying to refresh my memory on it and you know you [01:50:10.360 --> 01:50:14.360] guys did a good deal with the 10th anniversary what happened in Oklahoma for [01:50:14.360 --> 01:50:17.360] this anniversary are you guys lone warriors there or everybody still [01:50:17.360 --> 01:50:23.360] remember to answer your first question some of the documents have been sealed [01:50:23.360 --> 01:50:28.360] Jesse is withholding on any interviews from what I understand because he's [01:50:28.360 --> 01:50:33.360] walking a very tight rope now the judge David Kimball excellent federal judge [01:50:33.360 --> 01:50:37.360] out of Salt Lake City US District Court has ruled in his favor so many times but [01:50:37.360 --> 01:50:41.360] just I believe it was three weeks ago he went before the 10th Circuit Court of [01:50:41.360 --> 01:50:45.360] Appeals in Denver and he says he has never been treated in such a manner in [01:50:45.360 --> 01:50:51.360] the 18 years actually in the 42 years he's been practicing law so I don't know [01:50:51.360 --> 01:50:55.360] the what documents have been and have not been sealed but anything that he has [01:50:55.360 --> 01:50:59.360] that he's able to release he gets it on a PDF and he just shoots it out on the [01:50:59.360 --> 01:51:03.360] email and it's it's viral within a matter of hours and I try to forward [01:51:03.360 --> 01:51:08.360] those as many as I can to Aaron over to Alex's office excellent coverage on the [01:51:08.360 --> 01:51:12.360] Alex Jones show and that we can't thank him enough for me my god the platform [01:51:12.360 --> 01:51:17.360] and that shows is multi-million so let's see and what was the other question on [01:51:17.360 --> 01:51:25.360] the anniversary yeah it's you can answer that is yeah the photo photos are yeah [01:51:25.360 --> 01:51:33.360] the photos are a public domain once again KMT reward.com is the official [01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:37.360] wanted poster posted by Trent to do for information leading to his brother's [01:51:37.360 --> 01:51:42.360] death it shows some of the more graphic autopsy photos and offers the reward for [01:51:42.360 --> 01:51:49.360] anyone willing to come forward with information about his brother's murder [01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:59.360] Bill Bean yeah yeah Bill Bean submitted his video of McVeigh in an armored [01:51:59.360 --> 01:52:05.360] vehicle at Camp Grafton in the Dakotas South Dakota North Dakota North Dakota [01:52:05.360 --> 01:52:11.360] anyways he submitted his video to Professor Michael Blomgren the University [01:52:11.360 --> 01:52:17.360] Utah which has a famed voice audio visual recognition school and this [01:52:17.360 --> 01:52:23.360] professor concluded that this was McVeigh he cannot say 100% on paper [01:52:23.360 --> 01:52:27.360] because almost nothing can be proven that way because it was a secondhand tape [01:52:27.360 --> 01:52:30.360] but he says in his opinion and this is a guy who does this for a living that it [01:52:30.360 --> 01:52:35.360] was McVeigh and the nature of this test was basically submitting it to trained [01:52:35.360 --> 01:52:39.360] listeners different audiences and having him make matches and that they [01:52:39.360 --> 01:52:43.360] confirmed it was McVeigh visual analysis of the video tape has also confirmed [01:52:43.360 --> 01:52:49.360] that it was McVeigh and he was taking he was actually shown in army uniform on an [01:52:49.360 --> 01:52:53.360] army camp driving an armored armored vehicle next to an explosive ordnance [01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:56.360] demolition school actually an engineering school where those courses [01:52:56.360 --> 01:53:01.360] were taking place two years after we left the army and not long after he was [01:53:01.360 --> 01:53:07.360] seen on videotaping interviewed outside Waco during anti-government sentiment and [01:53:07.360 --> 01:53:10.360] all of a sudden a couple months later he's training on a National Guard base [01:53:10.360 --> 01:53:17.360] so and the reason he might have been doing this McVeigh as a Bradley gunner in [01:53:17.360 --> 01:53:22.360] Justice Storm never had any specific explosives demolitions training so he [01:53:22.360 --> 01:53:26.360] may have gone there speculation of course he may have gone there to take [01:53:26.360 --> 01:53:30.360] specific demolitions and explosives training so but you can look that up just [01:53:30.360 --> 01:53:34.360] look at Bill Bean video McVeigh video and you can probably find all the [01:53:34.360 --> 01:53:44.360] information you want on that I've heard rumors of various things that were in [01:53:44.360 --> 01:53:48.360] the mirror building and I was just wondering about them like one being the [01:53:48.360 --> 01:53:53.360] the physical evidence from Waco being in the in the basement and the other one [01:53:53.360 --> 01:54:00.360] was the veterans agent orange files and investigation was that in the mirror [01:54:00.360 --> 01:54:06.360] building I can't speak to those files a lot of the information was either hauled [01:54:06.360 --> 01:54:10.360] off or confiscated by the federal authorities but we do know that there was [01:54:10.360 --> 01:54:15.360] a and this is a fact that it was a federal case of drug smuggling from [01:54:15.360 --> 01:54:20.360] Mexico on through up through Canada Oklahoma City being on the major thoroughfare [01:54:20.360 --> 01:54:24.360] that was actually due to go to court two weeks after the bombing occurred all of [01:54:24.360 --> 01:54:28.360] that information documentation and the contraband of physical evidence was [01:54:28.360 --> 01:54:33.360] destroyed and all charges were dismissed that one of the the main person that [01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:38.360] implicated in Oklahoma City is still living not far from Joe's house in [01:54:38.360 --> 01:54:42.360] northwest Oklahoma City that we do know that for a fact we do know that there [01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:46.360] was a illegal ordinance stored not only on the ninth floor in a huge vault at [01:54:46.360 --> 01:54:52.360] the ATF had but there was actually only ordinance stored in a it wasn't actually [01:54:52.360 --> 01:54:55.360] the basement of the building it was actually halfway under grade just and I [01:54:55.360 --> 01:54:59.360] think you remember on the presentation how the road sloped up in front of the [01:54:59.360 --> 01:55:03.360] building it was on the the part on the east side that was halfway under grade [01:55:03.360 --> 01:55:07.360] that it was a special room that was built after the building was put together [01:55:07.360 --> 01:55:12.360] stored less than 15 feet below the nursery completely illegal I mean that [01:55:12.360 --> 01:55:15.360] is a federal offense in and of itself we're not talking a couple of boxes of [01:55:15.360 --> 01:55:20.360] bullets here we're talking C4 and some very high grade explosives and there [01:55:20.360 --> 01:55:23.360] was some unexploded ordinance in that room that was taken out by like of a [01:55:23.360 --> 01:55:26.360] better term a bucket brigade by sheriff's deputies and some of the [01:55:26.360 --> 01:55:31.360] volunteers that were sworn to secrecy this is within hours after the bombing [01:55:31.360 --> 01:55:34.360] and if you could picture this folks I mean you talk about a cacophony of [01:55:34.360 --> 01:55:40.360] complete bizarre events and a tornado rolling into town pouring rain all of [01:55:40.360 --> 01:55:43.360] the search and rescue personnel called off the crime scene but only the [01:55:43.360 --> 01:55:46.360] personnel number one to recover the documents and number two to get that [01:55:46.360 --> 01:55:50.360] unexploded ordinance out of the building notwithstanding the fact that there were [01:55:50.360 --> 01:55:54.360] people still alive under the rubble screaming they were let go they were [01:55:54.360 --> 01:55:58.360] just completely forgotten for a four-hour window and you know if you get [01:55:58.360 --> 01:56:01.360] a mind's eye and you look at this whole thing and this is something we're [01:56:01.360 --> 01:56:05.360] trying to do with a film it's I mean it's a disaster from the word go it was [01:56:05.360 --> 01:56:08.360] unbelievable why they handled this thing and then they were they're saying oh [01:56:08.360 --> 01:56:11.360] yeah you know it was handled no no it wasn't it was the farthest thing from [01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:15.360] normal the definition of normal that you could ever imagine on the files we [01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:18.360] know for a fact that the feds were concerned or with whatever was on paper [01:56:18.360 --> 01:56:22.360] in the building because at one point they halted rescue efforts pulled people [01:56:22.360 --> 01:56:26.360] off to search all the pieces of paper that were coming out of the building [01:56:26.360 --> 01:56:30.360] they were stepping over injured people to pick up a piece of paper and look at [01:56:30.360 --> 01:56:35.360] it and to see whether or not to destroy it or to keep it or whatever so they [01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:41.360] were concerned with what was ever on paper we know that yeah did y'all ever [01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:46.360] resolve the the credit card numbers on on the credit cards were they federal [01:56:46.360 --> 01:56:50.360] credit cards or not did y'all ever get down and resolve that at all there were [01:56:50.360 --> 01:56:56.360] special numbers on special cards for fed cards I know we are still waiting for [01:56:56.360 --> 01:57:00.360] some sources and I that's all I can say we did determine that some of the cards [01:57:00.360 --> 01:57:06.360] during the initial series of the numbers were actually former accounts just by [01:57:06.360 --> 01:57:10.360] the fact the fact that they're the expiration dates were posted one of the [01:57:10.360 --> 01:57:14.360] cards was over a year old and still running through like it was brand new [01:57:14.360 --> 01:57:18.360] that's all I could say right now there's some other circulating information [01:57:18.360 --> 01:57:22.360] around there I really can't reveal until we get definite information I really [01:57:22.360 --> 01:57:24.360] can't go any farther than that [01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:33.360] I heard a woman I think her name is Janey she's a grandmother of two children [01:57:33.360 --> 01:57:41.360] that were killed in the explosion and lived a couple of blocks away and the [01:57:41.360 --> 01:57:45.360] picture I had of it was that under the building where she lived there was a [01:57:45.360 --> 01:57:52.360] little grocery store and the owner of the store had seen McVeigh with somebody [01:57:52.360 --> 01:58:02.360] else and with within a few weeks after he told her about it he got some type of [01:58:02.360 --> 01:58:07.360] cancer and died like almost immediately I was just wondering if you thought that [01:58:07.360 --> 01:58:11.360] there was something mysterious about that [01:58:11.360 --> 01:58:16.360] he was actually a short order cook and you were right Janey Coverdale African [01:58:16.360 --> 01:58:21.360] American grandmother of two of the kids Erin and Elijah you've been over to her [01:58:21.360 --> 01:58:25.360] apartment Janey is actually a surrogate grandmother for some of us she's an [01:58:25.360 --> 01:58:30.360] outstanding individual I believe she's in her early 70s and she's got the heart [01:58:30.360 --> 01:58:35.360] and the mind of a 25 year old it's unbelievable and in fact I talked to her [01:58:35.360 --> 01:58:39.360] yesterday and asked her how she was doing her son came in from out of town [01:58:39.360 --> 01:58:44.360] and helped her get through it's a tough day [01:58:44.360 --> 01:58:47.360] I keep mixing up I believe Erin was a two and a half year old and Elijah was [01:58:47.360 --> 01:58:52.360] the five and a half year old the the gentleman you speak of actually the [01:58:52.360 --> 01:58:57.360] morning of the bombing sold get this folks McVeigh doesn't smoke two cans of [01:58:57.360 --> 01:59:03.360] coke and a pack of Marlboro Reds so why would he buy cigarettes if he doesn't [01:59:03.360 --> 01:59:07.360] smoke it was actually for the other gentleman in a the rider truck we also [01:59:07.360 --> 01:59:12.360] found out that the truck that he cited McVeigh and this other guy in didn't [01:59:12.360 --> 01:59:16.360] even resemble the the official rider truck at all it was it was a about [01:59:16.360 --> 01:59:20.360] three-quarters of size it had a bubble over the cab and the box in the back was [01:59:20.360 --> 01:59:24.360] half the size of what was allegedly used so we're talking two different vehicles [01:59:24.360 --> 01:59:28.360] there makes perfect sense because that same size rider truck was cited at a [01:59:28.360 --> 01:59:33.360] lake that was used nefariously supposedly to transport goods we don't [01:59:33.360 --> 01:59:38.360] know for sure but it's a half-baked reasoning and half-baked story the FBI [01:59:38.360 --> 01:59:44.360] had now when he passed away from we don't know if it was related to the [01:59:44.360 --> 01:59:48.360] sighting or not but we do know that he was furious when he the FBI discounted [01:59:48.360 --> 01:59:52.360] his eyewitness sighting claiming to his face that that truck was never [01:59:52.360 --> 01:59:57.360] manufactured or used by or rented by rider come to find out two days later [01:59:57.360 --> 02:00:00.360] he's on his way home going to his home in northwest Oklahoma City lo and behold [02:00:00.360 --> 02:00:04.360] what's he pulled up next to at the intersection the same exact style truck [02:00:04.360 --> 02:00:07.360] that he saw in front of the Murr building about two months beforehand and [02:00:07.360 --> 02:00:11.360] he said from that day on he never spoke to the FBI again they played him as a [02:00:11.360 --> 02:00:16.360] fool and he was absolutely disgusted how they treated him just one one question [02:00:16.360 --> 02:00:20.360] here how about the reporter that broke the story the NBC affiliate reporter [02:00:20.360 --> 02:00:27.360] could you comment on that Jaina Davis named John Doe number two by name by [02:00:27.360 --> 02:00:31.360] picture as an accomplice Tim McVeigh as confirmed by videotape and eyewitness [02:00:31.360 --> 02:00:36.360] reports that was Hussain Hussain who actually was later a baggage handler on [02:00:36.360 --> 02:00:40.360] the morning of 9-eleven at Logan Airport and she wrote a book called the third [02:00:40.360 --> 02:00:43.360] terrorist detailing many of these allegations it's very interesting book [02:00:43.360 --> 02:00:47.360] she used pseudos she uses pseudonyms in the book mainly I maybe she got [02:00:47.360 --> 02:00:53.360] freaked by the libel lawsuit I don't know but John Doe number two actually lost [02:00:53.360 --> 02:00:57.360] that libel lawsuit when his ally was proven alive so Jaina Davis has come up [02:00:57.360 --> 02:01:02.360] with some very interesting information about Hussain Hussain and his connections [02:01:02.360 --> 02:01:05.360] to people still living in Oklahoma City and some of these people are still [02:01:05.360 --> 02:01:11.360] walking around and conducting business in fact one of them managed to finagle [02:01:11.360 --> 02:01:16.360] his ex-wife into being in the Murr building on her day off and she was killed [02:01:16.360 --> 02:01:24.360] instead of being away from the house away from the building so she was fired [02:01:24.360 --> 02:01:31.360] from KFOR one of the cameramen that worked with her that actually helped edit [02:01:31.360 --> 02:01:34.360] some of the footage that she was very brave and revealing by the way Melissa [02:01:34.360 --> 02:01:40.360] Klinging an unsung hero in this whole story news director for KFOR came out [02:01:40.360 --> 02:01:43.360] flat out and said there's not one person in Oklahoma City that believes that [02:01:43.360 --> 02:01:47.360] Timothy McVeigh blew up the A.P. Murr building by himself quote-unquote very [02:01:47.360 --> 02:01:51.360] strong news director she knew that the FBI was trying to bamboozle her now I'm [02:01:51.360 --> 02:01:54.360] not saying the local FBI field office it's the higher-ups it's the guys the [02:01:54.360 --> 02:01:58.360] big dogs from Washington coming in and making her look like an idiot she's a [02:01:58.360 --> 02:02:02.360] news director one of the most popular news stations that part of the country [02:02:02.360 --> 02:02:09.360] very well respected news team and so anyway she gets what happened was their [02:02:09.360 --> 02:02:12.360] contracts come up for renewal at the time I believe it was every two years [02:02:12.360 --> 02:02:15.360] they simply did not renew the contracts wasn't that they were fired it's like [02:02:15.360 --> 02:02:19.360] hey take a hike we're gonna set you out the pasture that was following the [02:02:19.360 --> 02:02:23.360] purchase of KFOR by the New York Times broadcasting company that's when that [02:02:23.360 --> 02:02:29.360] happened any other questions [02:02:29.360 --> 02:02:43.360] Conspiracy and false flag and helps legitimize the 9-eleven issue which I [02:02:43.360 --> 02:02:49.360] think for a lot of people is just you know too ego-destroying for them to even [02:02:49.360 --> 02:02:53.360] embrace some you know at least publicly so legitimizing this and the crash [02:02:53.360 --> 02:02:56.360] compound stuff and everything I think is really important with the history of [02:02:56.360 --> 02:03:01.360] conspiracy and whatnot so I think y'all yeah [02:03:09.360 --> 02:03:15.360] I've been asked by several people that I've talked to about this incident after [02:03:15.360 --> 02:03:21.360] I bought my final report and read it why would the government or rogue [02:03:21.360 --> 02:03:33.360] component of our government perpetuate or perpetrate this type of tragedy and [02:03:33.360 --> 02:03:40.360] it seems that to create more fear about the internal terrorist threat is not [02:03:40.360 --> 02:03:44.360] sufficient for some of these people that don't won't take the time to study and [02:03:44.360 --> 02:03:50.360] and and read the facts but what are what is y'all's feelings about the ultimate [02:03:50.360 --> 02:03:56.360] who benefited from it and and why would a would something like this be brought [02:03:56.360 --> 02:04:01.360] about in America what purpose to move the American people in which direction or [02:04:01.360 --> 02:04:08.360] whatever I just like your comments on it we get asked that every time why would [02:04:08.360 --> 02:04:13.360] the federal government to bomb its own building and I don't know I have my own [02:04:13.360 --> 02:04:22.360] thoughts are that well in the mid 90s if you don't recall was a time of basically [02:04:22.360 --> 02:04:26.360] there was a lot of rising anti-government sentiment going on in the country as [02:04:26.360 --> 02:04:31.360] exemplified by for example Ross pros third-party candidacy which garnered a [02:04:31.360 --> 02:04:35.360] lot of support demonstrating lack of trust with the US government the release [02:04:35.360 --> 02:04:39.360] of the movie JFK was very politically enabling for a lot of people it [02:04:39.360 --> 02:04:42.360] demonstrated even if you don't disagree agree with everything in the movie [02:04:42.360 --> 02:04:46.360] it don't should be on effect the government lied about the JFK murder and [02:04:46.360 --> 02:04:52.360] the implications thereof also we have the basically the growth of the the [02:04:52.360 --> 02:04:56.360] militia movement which was seen by many in law enforcement and now security [02:04:56.360 --> 02:05:02.360] apparatus as a genuine threat and following the bombing all of these [02:05:02.360 --> 02:05:07.360] things were by the wayside war is the health of the state and the federal [02:05:07.360 --> 02:05:11.360] government was the ultimate beneficiary of a lot of goodwill if you were [02:05:11.360 --> 02:05:16.360] anti-government you were a baby killer as documented by the pictures of firemen [02:05:16.360 --> 02:05:20.360] pulling bloody babies out of the wreckage if you were anti if you didn't [02:05:20.360 --> 02:05:24.360] trust the feds you were linked with McVeigh and killing babies that was the [02:05:24.360 --> 02:05:30.360] implication that was the propaganda coup and as for really why I can't tell you [02:05:30.360 --> 02:05:33.360] but I can tell you what happened and that's what happened if you were [02:05:33.360 --> 02:05:37.360] suddenly if if you were against what the government was doing you were linked to [02:05:37.360 --> 02:05:41.360] actions and that was the consequence of of the Oakham City bombing so we can put [02:05:41.360 --> 02:05:46.360] two and two together I'm not sure but there could have been a variety of [02:05:46.360 --> 02:05:52.360] reasons I think a lot of it had to do with combating rising anti-government [02:05:52.360 --> 02:05:55.360] sentiment in this country which if you were politically aware in the 90s was [02:05:55.360 --> 02:05:59.360] really strong that's why I first became politically aware and I saw something [02:05:59.360 --> 02:06:04.360] happening something going on that the Oakham City bombing killed so for better [02:06:04.360 --> 02:06:08.360] or worse the militia movement went underground and whatever but and like I [02:06:08.360 --> 02:06:12.360] said I see a lot of that stuff I seem starting to see it again in this country [02:06:12.360 --> 02:06:15.360] again so we need to start paying attention if something goes off [02:06:15.360 --> 02:06:21.360] domestically blamed on a domestic terror group we really need to pay attention [02:06:21.360 --> 02:06:25.360] and and this time they're not getting away with it we're here to tell you what [02:06:25.360 --> 02:06:44.360] they did and what to look for and they're not getting away with it this time [02:06:44.360 --> 02:06:50.360] the effective Death Ability Act and Antiterrorist Act of 1993 which had [02:06:50.360 --> 02:06:54.360] failed to pass Congress several occasions was finally passed in the wake [02:06:54.360 --> 02:06:58.360] of the Oakham City bombing this was basically the precursor to the Patriot [02:06:58.360 --> 02:07:02.360] Act everyone hears about the Patriot Act as a response to 9-11 the response to [02:07:02.360 --> 02:07:07.360] the Oakham City bombing was the Antiterror Antiterror Act of 1996 which [02:07:07.360 --> 02:07:13.360] federalized a lot of crimes instituted a lot of loosened a lot of restrictions on [02:07:13.360 --> 02:07:18.360] federal federal basically federal interference and local law enforcement [02:07:18.360 --> 02:07:21.360] especially if you label something a terror attack basically if you label [02:07:21.360 --> 02:07:24.360] something a terror attack you could use the full power of the Fed to do anything [02:07:24.360 --> 02:07:28.360] you wanted now as a result of the Oakham City bombing I want to call an [02:07:28.360 --> 02:07:32.360] individual up to the front here I think has been very supportive of Holland and [02:07:32.360 --> 02:07:35.360] his work over the years you certainly can't do it without the better half [02:07:35.360 --> 02:07:39.360] Krista if you want to please well we want to acknowledge Holland's wife [02:07:39.360 --> 02:07:43.360] Krista has been an absolute gem over the years give her a round of applause [02:07:43.360 --> 02:07:54.360] please if you can imagine I I I happen to be single and I my time is just [02:07:54.360 --> 02:07:57.360] demanding I mean they've got two beautiful children and they've got a [02:07:57.360 --> 02:08:00.360] family and all the time and effort he puts into it so I want to thank you [02:08:00.360 --> 02:08:03.360] you're you're like a brother and I have said that many times in private and in [02:08:03.360 --> 02:08:08.360] public we don't want to take any more of your time but if you have any more [02:08:08.360 --> 02:08:12.360] questions or if you want to talk we're going to go ahead I'm going to actually [02:08:12.360 --> 02:08:16.360] be on the air a little bit we'll switch off every 10-15 minutes here the books [02:08:16.360 --> 02:08:20.360] will be on sale at the back counter if you don't mind just go back and talk to [02:08:20.360 --> 02:08:24.360] Harlan we'll get you set up and of course the added bonuses are in there at [02:08:24.360 --> 02:08:27.360] no extra charge Holland if you want to take over the mic or have any questions [02:08:27.360 --> 02:08:31.360] I'm going to go back on the radio with them and we'll go from there thank you [02:08:31.360 --> 02:08:42.360] for your time folks I can go all night if you'll have questions so keep them [02:08:42.360 --> 02:08:46.360] coming all right [02:08:51.360 --> 02:08:55.360] well like always they just huge amounts of money and for people who supposedly [02:08:55.360 --> 02:09:00.360] failed in their job of preventing the attack they received an increased budget [02:09:00.360 --> 02:09:05.360] increased powers which we see in 9-eleven also so where's the health of [02:09:05.360 --> 02:09:12.360] the states I just want to ask you a question we actually had somebody maybe [02:09:12.360 --> 02:09:15.360] involved in the conspiracy in this bookstore about a week ago his name was [02:09:15.360 --> 02:09:23.360] Earl Shelton his father was Tom Shelton who ran Paradise Shelton mail order [02:09:23.360 --> 02:09:29.360] brides out of the Philippines that Terry Nichols met his wife through and doing [02:09:29.360 --> 02:09:33.360] our research because we we of course thought he may have been an operative [02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:42.360] that there was a there was uncovered that Ramsey Yousef was was using the same [02:09:42.360 --> 02:09:47.360] hotel that this gentleman's father ran for his mail order bride service that [02:09:47.360 --> 02:09:54.360] Terry Nichols had stayed in because of his credit card receipts that in this [02:09:54.360 --> 02:09:59.360] hotel room is where project pachinko was planned this was a this was sort of the [02:09:59.360 --> 02:10:04.360] forerunner to 9-eleven pachinko was hijacking airplanes and flying them into [02:10:04.360 --> 02:10:08.360] the World Trade Center in the CIA headquarters but anyway I was wondering if [02:10:08.360 --> 02:10:12.360] that has ever come I know that in the Trinidad case they were looking to make [02:10:12.360 --> 02:10:17.360] this link between Al Qaeda and Terry Nichols in the Philippines I was wondering [02:10:17.360 --> 02:10:22.360] if you ever come across any information linking Nichols and Yousef or any of [02:10:22.360 --> 02:10:27.360] these because I think that would be a real damaging blow to the 93 World Trade [02:10:27.360 --> 02:10:36.360] Center Oklahoma and 9-eleven but I was just wondering about that Terry Nichols [02:10:36.360 --> 02:10:42.360] spent a lot of time in the Philippines with his mail order bride and also made [02:10:42.360 --> 02:10:45.360] several trips to the Philippines while his bride was in the States made a trip [02:10:45.360 --> 02:10:50.360] by himself to the Philippines several times so his movements in that area are [02:10:50.360 --> 02:10:54.360] quite a mystery we know that he was like in the same area same hotels as Ramsey [02:10:54.360 --> 02:10:58.360] Yousef he was a may have had communication with Abu Sayyaf which was an Al [02:10:58.360 --> 02:11:03.360] Qaeda linked terror group in the Philippines frankly I have not gone into [02:11:03.360 --> 02:11:08.360] that too much because what I've seen in inquiries in that direction is I see [02:11:08.360 --> 02:11:14.360] some of some people trying to say that Al Qaeda was responsible for nine for [02:11:14.360 --> 02:11:20.360] the Oklahoma City bombing or maybe perhaps Saddam Hussein and I see that [02:11:20.360 --> 02:11:24.360] kind of a limited hangout I'm not saying that information is not correct I [02:11:24.360 --> 02:11:28.360] myself have not pursued it that much because I see some of the people pushing [02:11:28.360 --> 02:11:32.360] it have altered agendas I'm saying there probably was a link that there probably [02:11:32.360 --> 02:11:36.360] was a link between Larry Terry Nichols and the activities in the Philippines [02:11:36.360 --> 02:11:41.360] with Al Qaeda when you also go into the paradigm that Al Qaeda is actually a CIA [02:11:41.360 --> 02:11:47.360] front not an instrument of jihadist terror but yeah that's something that [02:11:47.360 --> 02:11:52.360] still needs to be pursued there are so many so many untied ends to this case [02:11:52.360 --> 02:11:56.360] that still need to be pursued it's far from dead revelations keep on coming out [02:11:56.360 --> 02:12:01.360] especially with trying to do and so forth so I made a basically a niche of [02:12:01.360 --> 02:12:04.360] investigating links between 9-11 Oklahoma City and you know other people can take [02:12:04.360 --> 02:12:07.360] up the mantle take up the investigative work and find out what's there [02:12:07.360 --> 02:12:13.360] Wendy painting has done that too and like we said it's a you know self [02:12:13.360 --> 02:12:18.360] starting project I was driving up we were listening on the radio so we didn't [02:12:18.360 --> 02:12:22.360] catch all of it what was the young man that blew himself up at the OU game and [02:12:22.360 --> 02:12:29.360] he was a protege of boring and the edger and all those other guys and and also he [02:12:29.360 --> 02:12:34.360] was connected to some of the supposed hijackers also right is that true some [02:12:34.360 --> 02:12:38.360] his group of friends and just bring us up to date on the kid that blew himself [02:12:38.360 --> 02:12:42.360] up that the news didn't make a say a word about well they say most of a one [02:12:42.360 --> 02:12:45.360] time then they forget about it Joe Henry Heinrich III was a disgruntled [02:12:45.360 --> 02:12:48.360] engineering student who blew himself up with the homemade pipe bomb outside OU [02:12:48.360 --> 02:12:57.360] Stadium in 2005 late 2005 and this is just called a suicide we don't know the [02:12:57.360 --> 02:13:00.360] full story in Heinrich's we know he had some missing time don't know where he [02:13:00.360 --> 02:13:03.360] was for a couple months before he died he went to the same mosque as the 20th [02:13:03.360 --> 02:13:08.360] hijacker when he attended a airman flight school and living in an OU dorm and [02:13:08.360 --> 02:13:12.360] that his roommates his college roommate claimed he had no idea that Heinrich's [02:13:12.360 --> 02:13:18.360] was making noxious chemical explosives in his dorm room and this roommate was [02:13:18.360 --> 02:13:21.360] later allowed to leave the country and go back to Algeria so there was a lot of [02:13:21.360 --> 02:13:26.360] unanswered questions about that new American actually did a small series of [02:13:26.360 --> 02:13:32.360] articles on that and the ties between OU and jihadist activity in Oklahoma so [02:13:32.360 --> 02:13:37.360] you can look that up I think there's some copies in final report but some good [02:13:37.360 --> 02:13:44.360] information also another thing on that I forgot three days before he killed [02:13:44.360 --> 02:13:48.360] himself Joe Henry Heinrich III walked into a feed store in Norman Oklahoma and [02:13:48.360 --> 02:13:53.360] requested to buy several thousand pounds of ammonium nitrate now of course you [02:13:53.360 --> 02:13:56.360] know that ammonium nitrate is the chemical blamed for the Oklahoma City [02:13:56.360 --> 02:14:01.360] bombing of course we all know that's bunk but people in Oklahoma are still wary [02:14:01.360 --> 02:14:04.360] about selling large amounts of ammonium nitrate to people who have no idea what [02:14:04.360 --> 02:14:08.360] his peaceful uses are and this guy was obviously was not a farmer and the clerk [02:14:08.360 --> 02:14:12.360] refused to sell them to his credit and there was a Norman police officer in the [02:14:12.360 --> 02:14:16.360] store at the time off duty who saw the incident called it in on his cell phone [02:14:16.360 --> 02:14:21.360] because it was suspicious enough to the cop to call it in and no action was [02:14:21.360 --> 02:14:26.360] taken and Heinrich's went on three days later to blow himself up so that story [02:14:26.360 --> 02:14:30.360] we we know there's more to that we definitely know there's more to that and [02:14:30.360 --> 02:14:33.360] that may have been some kind of rehearsal or an operation gone bad we [02:14:33.360 --> 02:14:40.360] don't know I want to take a minute to we have a special presentation to give to [02:14:40.360 --> 02:14:46.360] a very close friend of ours that helped us get into the the radio host business [02:14:46.360 --> 02:14:52.360] and anyway Deborah if you could step up to the front here we've got a gift and I [02:14:52.360 --> 02:14:56.360] want to qualify this come on up Deborah Stevens of the rule of law radio and [02:14:56.360 --> 02:15:03.360] rule of law radio.com we we actually started in an interview with the the [02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:07.360] former PNAC show way in the back in the corner in the back room and that was a [02:15:07.360 --> 02:15:12.360] year ago almost to the day back in 2008 this weekend or not came down anyway [02:15:12.360 --> 02:15:18.360] since then we've learned quite a bit from not only the WTP RN but other folks in [02:15:18.360 --> 02:15:21.360] Austin and we really want to thank you for all your support you want to hold [02:15:21.360 --> 02:15:30.360] this for a second this is this is a framed flag that and you speak of Janie [02:15:30.360 --> 02:15:35.360] Coverdale she has there's an 18 foot flag flying over 18 foot flagpole [02:15:35.360 --> 02:15:39.360] standing over the gravesite of her two grandkids every year and I've had the [02:15:39.360 --> 02:15:43.360] honor of helping maintain the rope and the flag on that gravesite for her [02:15:43.360 --> 02:15:47.360] Charles Key got the first framing and he has it hanging in his office in Oklahoma [02:15:47.360 --> 02:15:52.360] City Jesse Trent to do at the second framing we sent it to him actually last [02:15:52.360 --> 02:15:58.360] May and he has it hanging in his office in Salt Lake City we want to give Deborah [02:15:58.360 --> 02:16:04.360] and Wes and Randy and her husband the the third framing every year we get the [02:16:04.360 --> 02:16:07.360] the flag that used to fly over dry clean and give it to someone special that's [02:16:07.360 --> 02:16:12.360] been very supportive of the research in the case and also there's some [02:16:12.360 --> 02:16:19.360] accompanying photos of Janie and her new adopted son actually he's been with her [02:16:19.360 --> 02:16:25.360] for 10 years now and we want to have that as a gift to you guys just a token [02:16:25.360 --> 02:16:30.360] of our appreciation for everything you do and it's without her support and the [02:16:30.360 --> 02:16:33.360] infrastructure and all of the work that she's done it was certainly wouldn't be [02:16:33.360 --> 02:16:36.360] possible for us to be on the air so are there any other questions you want any [02:16:36.360 --> 02:16:40.360] comments or anything you get to be on the air once in a while Deb you want to [02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:50.360] make a comment go ahead so by the way we we gave her also a framing of the 10th [02:16:50.360 --> 02:16:56.360] Amendment that was actually passed in 1994 in the Oklahoma State House so she [02:16:56.360 --> 02:17:04.360] has it hanging in a studio and there's a composite of now here's a rare photo of [02:17:04.360 --> 02:17:08.360] the kids actually was taken about two weeks before the bombing it's inside the [02:17:08.360 --> 02:17:12.360] Murrah building in the nursery and two of Janie's grandkids along with the [02:17:12.360 --> 02:17:18.360] other 19 are there so that was given to her by I believe a family member of one [02:17:18.360 --> 02:17:23.360] of the daycare adults that was killed in the bombing so anyway thank you very [02:17:23.360 --> 02:17:30.360] much thank you Chris and thank you Holland and thank all of you for your [02:17:30.360 --> 02:17:36.360] support and this is incredible I don't know what to say it's it's incredible [02:17:36.360 --> 02:17:42.360] thank you it means a lot to me it really does thank you very much y'all keep up [02:17:42.360 --> 02:17:46.360] the good work too are there any other questions or any comments you want to [02:17:46.360 --> 02:17:50.360] make any observations you've all been very kind and giving us of your time [02:17:50.360 --> 02:17:56.360] tonight so we appreciate you showing up one other question go ahead sir [02:17:56.360 --> 02:18:08.360] and I apologize if you adjust this before I just came in can you can you [02:18:08.360 --> 02:18:14.360] explain what the deal is with Terry Nichols not being able to be interviewed [02:18:14.360 --> 02:18:20.360] or visited by anyone like can't doesn't don't the prisoners also have some right [02:18:20.360 --> 02:18:26.360] to see just anyone so how come I couldn't sign up or you couldn't sign up [02:18:26.360 --> 02:18:32.360] to go and and visit him and ask him questions well we do know his visitation [02:18:32.360 --> 02:18:36.360] privileges are restricted as are his calls he I believe he gets one call a [02:18:36.360 --> 02:18:43.360] month and he usually restricts that to his family with good reason and trying [02:18:43.360 --> 02:18:48.360] to do actually one visitation through a court order to interview in-depth Terry [02:18:48.360 --> 02:18:52.360] Nichols and the BOP Bureau of prisons and the FBI keeps on claiming that [02:18:52.360 --> 02:18:57.360] attorney Jesse Trintedue is a security risk and they have to keep on vetting [02:18:57.360 --> 02:19:00.360] the scene and making sure it's safe and they're just delaying it they're [02:19:00.360 --> 02:19:04.360] delaying the embeddable and inedible and you know we're going to get his true [02:19:04.360 --> 02:19:08.360] deposition his word hopefully we can maintain his safety but Chris I think [02:19:08.360 --> 02:19:14.360] you have some more details on that and the Terry's in in the confines with [02:19:14.360 --> 02:19:19.360] you got Ramsey Youssef you have Ted Kaczynski Eric Rudolph I mean these [02:19:19.360 --> 02:19:24.360] some of the worst of the worst but have you speaking of Janie Coverdale and [02:19:24.360 --> 02:19:28.360] this is common knowledge in town that she actually corresponds with Terry on [02:19:28.360 --> 02:19:33.360] a regular basis it takes her letter about two weeks to get to him and [02:19:33.360 --> 02:19:37.360] anywhere from five to five days to three weeks to get to her in response but [02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:40.360] they have to be very careful in what they say all of the letters are you [02:19:40.360 --> 02:19:45.360] know censored I mean that's just a given once you step beyond the front door [02:19:45.360 --> 02:19:48.360] the prison pretty much all of your rights are gone it's not saying that [02:19:48.360 --> 02:19:53.360] they're beaten and so forth but of course their their food is a compromise [02:19:53.360 --> 02:19:57.360] equality but they have no rights really to communicate with anyone other than [02:19:57.360 --> 02:20:01.360] once once a month you're right they can communicate with the family visitation [02:20:01.360 --> 02:20:05.360] so the way they try to time it is you go the last day of the month and then the [02:20:05.360 --> 02:20:08.360] first day of the month of the next month so you at least you have two days to [02:20:08.360 --> 02:20:11.360] stay with your family if they're going to make the trip from God knows where to [02:20:11.360 --> 02:20:14.360] visit a mountain Florence Colorado which is out in the mountains outside of [02:20:14.360 --> 02:20:21.360] Denver you know stay two days instead of one Ed Bradley get this folks a list [02:20:21.360 --> 02:20:26.360] interviewer with CBS 60 minutes he couldn't even get in to talk to Terry [02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:30.360] Nichols and we've got the story from Terry in a letter that he wrote to Janie [02:20:30.360 --> 02:20:33.360] that he sent all of his correspondence they had a time of the phone interview [02:20:33.360 --> 02:20:37.360] was supposed to be on a Sunday like at 1030 in the morning they FedExed [02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:40.360] everything as soon as it got to the front door of the prison at loading dock [02:20:40.360 --> 02:20:43.360] they didn't even give the material to Terry for three weeks they just sat on it [02:20:43.360 --> 02:20:48.360] so we had no idea on the schedule by the time at Bradley and his crew ready to [02:20:48.360 --> 02:20:52.360] show up or confirm the interview the prison guard just came by his cell block [02:20:52.360 --> 02:20:55.360] and said by the way your phone provisions are yanked for the next week [02:20:55.360 --> 02:20:58.360] they were messing with him and they knew they could do it and they knew they could [02:20:58.360 --> 02:21:04.360] get away with it so they really have no rights they're very limited in prison [02:21:04.360 --> 02:21:07.360] anything else [02:21:16.360 --> 02:21:19.360] well there's a there's a network of people involved with the efforts of the [02:21:19.360 --> 02:21:23.360] global bombing investigation committee many of whom in law enforcement I'm not [02:21:23.360 --> 02:21:27.360] a big fan of law enforcement but some of our best information sources and best [02:21:27.360 --> 02:21:33.360] friends have been law enforcement officers and anyways I think Chris knows [02:21:33.360 --> 02:21:39.360] more about that but the general attitude in Oklahoma is most people know that the [02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:44.360] story is not what it was portrayed to be because enough people in Oklahoma City [02:21:44.360 --> 02:21:48.360] heard two explosions enough people come city new people involved who saw people [02:21:48.360 --> 02:21:53.360] with McVeigh I'm almost everyone anyone in Oklahoma City has at least like two [02:21:53.360 --> 02:21:57.360] or three degrees of separation from someone involved directly involved so [02:21:57.360 --> 02:22:00.360] there is a general sense of unease with the official story but you know of [02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:04.360] course there's a psychological barrier to confronting me the implications of [02:22:04.360 --> 02:22:08.360] such a conclusion so most people just continue to live their lives and don't [02:22:08.360 --> 02:22:11.360] think about it too much so [02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:17.360] he's phenomenal he is in fact he's a big fan of brave new bookstore.com he goes [02:22:17.360 --> 02:22:23.360] on the website quite often and yes we're gonna have him on the show next Wednesday [02:22:23.360 --> 02:22:27.360] he's amazing but mainly me Texas is certainly a following the lead and you [02:22:27.360 --> 02:22:32.360] guys if it wasn't for Texas on the end not to get on a similar topic here but [02:22:32.360 --> 02:22:36.360] the NAFTA issue really woke us up up there because we knew that was going to [02:22:36.360 --> 02:22:40.360] come barreling right through Oklahoma and I think that's what really helped [02:22:40.360 --> 02:22:45.360] solidify and embolden a lot of folks up in the state capital they saw all the [02:22:45.360 --> 02:22:48.360] malarkey that you guys were going through here in Austin they said not [02:22:48.360 --> 02:22:54.360] only no but you know what no and so that's a good point is that going to [02:22:54.360 --> 02:22:58.360] bring up oh as far as the observations you saw the folks that we had on the [02:22:58.360 --> 02:23:01.360] presentation here I mean this gal from NBC came in three days ago and was [02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:07.360] given her pablum or whatever they call it her speech on what to do the ironic [02:23:07.360 --> 02:23:10.360] thing about the memorial and this is stuff that we catch every year they [02:23:10.360 --> 02:23:13.360] bring in these speakers they hand out these wards with several thousand [02:23:13.360 --> 02:23:18.360] dollar grants attached and it was very peculiar last year through the course of [02:23:18.360 --> 02:23:22.360] the last 18 months they give out awards to the folks that survived the Nairobi [02:23:22.360 --> 02:23:27.360] bombings in Kenya and the two and then the related cases and here we have Ali [02:23:27.360 --> 02:23:31.360] Mohammed who was actually the mastermind one of the key players to help plan that [02:23:31.360 --> 02:23:36.360] he was the handler for the informant that's in in prison now Colorado so we [02:23:36.360 --> 02:23:40.360] know Ali Mohammed was an enemy Lee involved with Oklahoma City and he's [02:23:40.360 --> 02:23:43.360] involved with these other cases and then you have the memorial that's completely [02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:47.360] ignoring the official storyline that doesn't realize that we're you know it's [02:23:47.360 --> 02:23:50.360] only two degrees of separation from Oklahoma City's other cases by virtue of [02:23:50.360 --> 02:23:55.360] the fact of this guy he was he was it they call it the triple cross he was [02:23:55.360 --> 02:24:04.360] working for bin Laden he's working for the CIA and the FBI right yeah he was [02:24:04.360 --> 02:24:10.360] involved in the rotation bombing in 1993 the African Embassy bombings 9-11 and [02:24:10.360 --> 02:24:13.360] according to our information of the city bombing all of these activities occurred [02:24:13.360 --> 02:24:16.360] while he was a confirmed federal informant in fact some of the time he [02:24:16.360 --> 02:24:20.360] was working for US Army Special Operations Command with a security [02:24:20.360 --> 02:24:24.360] clearance and this is from a guy who was involved with the Muslim Brotherhood [02:24:24.360 --> 02:24:27.360] out of Egypt involved in the assassination of Anwar Sadat so I mean [02:24:27.360 --> 02:24:33.360] obviously he was a operative of some sort and the only man that we know that [02:24:33.360 --> 02:24:38.360] admitted you know admitted freely to interrogators that he was involved in [02:24:38.360 --> 02:24:43.360] 9-11 and as far as we know he's does not have a court date and never will so [02:24:43.360 --> 02:24:51.360] go ahead would y'all comment on the curious arrest of Timothy McVeigh [02:24:51.360 --> 02:24:57.360] Timothy McVeigh and the arresting officer and the video that wasn't turned [02:24:57.360 --> 02:25:05.360] on Tim McVeigh was never arrested in his life until he drove north on I-35 80 [02:25:05.360 --> 02:25:08.360] miles an hour with the license plate hanging by one bolt and then admitted to [02:25:08.360 --> 02:25:11.360] a state trooper that he's carrying a gun that's first time been arrested in his [02:25:11.360 --> 02:25:15.360] life now someone who had just blown up a federal building and carrying a Glock 21 [02:25:15.360 --> 02:25:19.360] .45 caliber pistol in a shoulder holster I think he would have no compunction [02:25:19.360 --> 02:25:25.360] about gunning that state trooper down and he admitted he was first of all [02:25:25.360 --> 02:25:28.360] McVeigh was smart enough to carry out an operation I guess but he was certainly [02:25:28.360 --> 02:25:32.360] not dumb enough to behave in a suspicious manner following the bombing [02:25:32.360 --> 02:25:36.360] that is speeding down the highway 80 miles an hour with your license plate [02:25:36.360 --> 02:25:40.360] hanging off by one bolt and then getting pulled over and the state trooper [02:25:40.360 --> 02:25:44.360] asking if you have a gun and you're playing an informative and then giving [02:25:44.360 --> 02:25:48.360] yourself up freely to be arrested and later tried and convicted of the worst [02:25:48.360 --> 02:25:53.360] terror attack in American history up to that point the specifics Charlie [02:25:53.360 --> 02:25:57.360] Hanger the state trooper that was not his area to patrol he was called to that [02:25:57.360 --> 02:26:02.360] area especially to pull McVeigh over we know that on his day off he was suddenly [02:26:02.360 --> 02:26:07.360] patrolling a distinct you know just a lonely stretch of I-35 you know away [02:26:07.360 --> 02:26:11.360] from the biggest terror attack in American history and that the reason [02:26:11.360 --> 02:26:15.360] that there was no videotape of McVeigh being arrested is that Charlie Hanger [02:26:15.360 --> 02:26:19.360] did not have his videotape on did not turn the sirens on and therefore the tape [02:26:19.360 --> 02:26:26.360] was not on and there was no videotape coverage of his arrest so they did have [02:26:26.360 --> 02:26:31.360] and here's another thing that the braggadocio just never ceases to amaze me [02:26:31.360 --> 02:26:35.360] with the Memorial Museum they claim to have that tape of 45 minutes is supposed [02:26:35.360 --> 02:26:40.360] to be only 18 minutes showing him walking to the yellow marquee in front of [02:26:40.360 --> 02:26:45.360] the state patrol car but during that 45 minutes we know that there was another [02:26:45.360 --> 02:26:48.360] one of the brown pickups that was in the APB that was issued by the Oklahoma [02:26:48.360 --> 02:26:54.360] County Sheriff's this is northbound I-35 about less than what a half hour drive [02:26:54.360 --> 02:26:59.360] south of the Kansas border none of it makes sense folks I mean you put the [02:26:59.360 --> 02:27:02.360] pieces together and then they need the right puzzle it just doesn't make any [02:27:02.360 --> 02:27:07.360] sense why Charlie Hanger would now okay all right granted okay it was a very [02:27:07.360 --> 02:27:11.360] extremely unusual horrific event why he's called in often you know off on his [02:27:11.360 --> 02:27:15.360] day off he's 62 miles outside of his precinct he's not even supposed to be [02:27:15.360 --> 02:27:19.360] driving there and from what we've we found out through other folks that had [02:27:19.360 --> 02:27:22.360] talked to Charlie and he's bragging about this off the record later on he [02:27:22.360 --> 02:27:27.360] actually overtakes McVeigh goes ahead of the car slows down and signals McVeigh [02:27:27.360 --> 02:27:32.360] over to the side of the highway so you know it's like okay Charlie wasn't [02:27:32.360 --> 02:27:36.360] sitting on the side of the road he knew to make a beeline for that yellow marquee [02:27:36.360 --> 02:27:41.360] how he knew to do that we don't know he was told he was looking for McVeigh's [02:27:41.360 --> 02:28:01.360] car at the time of his arrest later on I haven't heard anything about that we do [02:28:01.360 --> 02:28:07.360] know from some research we've uncovered that McVeigh was probably going to [02:28:07.360 --> 02:28:11.360] withdraw from meth at the time too I mean there's the official story what [02:28:11.360 --> 02:28:14.360] happened to McVeigh and what really happened to what we've uncovered later [02:28:14.360 --> 02:28:18.360] is just two totally different things as a state of mind I can't tell there has [02:28:18.360 --> 02:28:24.360] been some speculation that when McVeigh left the Perry County Courthouse and he [02:28:24.360 --> 02:28:27.360] was being screamed at by all the onlookers and so forth a famous perp [02:28:27.360 --> 02:28:32.360] walk that he may have been under some kind of hypnosis or drugs or something [02:28:32.360 --> 02:28:47.360] we don't know anything else I think we all can agree here on this several [02:28:47.360 --> 02:28:53.360] motives a group of people would have to do this but even PBS in the last couple [02:28:53.360 --> 02:28:58.360] months on foreign exchange was reporting that slave trade earns about 93 billion [02:28:58.360 --> 02:29:05.360] a year second to drugs I think so I mean this court case was supposed to happen [02:29:05.360 --> 02:29:10.360] with two weeks after that how serious would that implicate the government and [02:29:10.360 --> 02:29:14.360] underground drug dealing and do these drugs go to fund wars and I mean I think [02:29:14.360 --> 02:29:18.360] it's I think that's something to be questioned with the opium field and all [02:29:18.360 --> 02:29:23.360] this kind of stuff is how serious should we take drugs as a motive you know and [02:29:23.360 --> 02:29:30.360] a cover-up from from a drug ring I don't know from reading David Hoffman's work [02:29:30.360 --> 02:29:34.360] on the other city bombing the city bombing and the politics of terror he [02:29:34.360 --> 02:29:38.360] details in some past contrived terror attacks and he he makes the conclusion [02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:44.360] that when when these operations are undertaken there's usually several [02:29:44.360 --> 02:29:48.360] motives they try to wrap it all into one big ball there's usually there's usually [02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:52.360] like one overriding motive of course but they try to wrap other things into it [02:29:52.360 --> 02:29:56.360] trying to take care of many loose ends as possible and if there may have been [02:29:56.360 --> 02:30:00.360] files according to white dealing with whitewater in the city bombing according [02:30:00.360 --> 02:30:04.360] to Waco we've heard a lot of different information about the files that were [02:30:04.360 --> 02:30:08.360] being kept in Oklahoma City in fact the whitewater files by law were required to [02:30:08.360 --> 02:30:12.360] be kept out of state out of Arkansas so they were being kept in the Oklahoma [02:30:12.360 --> 02:30:16.360] City building so that may have been one of the loose ends they're wrapping up [02:30:16.360 --> 02:30:21.360] who knows well actually we do know that was one of the loose ends the [02:30:21.360 --> 02:30:25.360] information we've been able to find out from sources close to Kerrigan is that [02:30:25.360 --> 02:30:28.360] the the timing devices that were used for the ordinance inside the building [02:30:28.360 --> 02:30:32.360] were actually manufactured overseas and I'm not going to say the specific [02:30:32.360 --> 02:30:36.360] country and the purpose because that will be coming out later but they were [02:30:36.360 --> 02:30:40.360] transferred to South America through Mexico and brought up to the United [02:30:40.360 --> 02:30:43.360] States this particular informant that we mentioned earlier was asked to bring [02:30:43.360 --> 02:30:47.360] those devices into the country paid a quarter million dollars and he told his [02:30:47.360 --> 02:30:51.360] guys his handlers including Ali Mohammed he says look I'll take your drugs I'll [02:30:51.360 --> 02:30:54.360] take your weapons if and I'm not going to be blown up federal buildings the [02:30:54.360 --> 02:30:59.360] blueprints for the Murrah building we know this for a fact were laid out on a [02:30:59.360 --> 02:31:04.360] boardroom table in a suite outside of in a hotel outside of the Denver Airport [02:31:04.360 --> 02:31:08.360] weeks before the the Oklahoma City bombing that's why this informant went to [02:31:08.360 --> 02:31:12.360] the US Marshals office and the FBI office in Denver deaf ears I mean can you [02:31:12.360 --> 02:31:16.360] imagine just the scope and the the audacity of these guys ignoring this [02:31:16.360 --> 02:31:20.360] information and that's the link to drugs also Kerry Gagan was an established [02:31:20.360 --> 02:31:25.360] drug smuggler very accomplished and very successful and they wanted to use his [02:31:25.360 --> 02:31:29.360] established drug routes as a route to smuggle explosives and other things in [02:31:29.360 --> 02:31:33.360] timers into the country so he may have been a drug dealer but he wasn't [02:31:33.360 --> 02:31:37.360] definitely wasn't going to be involved in killing people one last thing and then [02:31:37.360 --> 02:31:41.360] I'll give the mic back to you want to break I'll remember this name folks [02:31:41.360 --> 02:31:44.360] Debbie Craig Roberts the gentleman that was asked he was still in the Tulsa [02:31:44.360 --> 02:31:47.360] Police Department at the time two days after the bombing asked by the FBI to [02:31:47.360 --> 02:31:51.360] come on the case he figured out what happened I was straight Andrea [02:31:51.360 --> 02:31:55.360] Strauss Meyer where he came from his roots we have in our studio a flow chart [02:31:55.360 --> 02:31:59.360] of all of the guys the peripheral the main players and ground zero players on [02:31:59.360 --> 02:32:02.360] this case unbelievable we're talking about over a hundred individuals [02:32:02.360 --> 02:32:06.360] nefarious organizations and ones that were definitely involved want to break [02:32:06.360 --> 02:32:10.360] oh the name came up immediately on a suspect list this is what they call the [02:32:10.360 --> 02:32:16.360] hot list and I guess in their lingo they use in at the FBI office Tulsa Craig [02:32:16.360 --> 02:32:21.360] Roberts says look follow up on this do a name trace Craig's in Arizona several [02:32:21.360 --> 02:32:25.360] months later at a roadside motel giving a speech on all his work on the Medusa [02:32:25.360 --> 02:32:30.360] file by the way his website www.riflewarrior.com excellent website [02:32:30.360 --> 02:32:35.360] lo and behold he's laying in bed getting getting ready for bed he's watching the [02:32:35.360 --> 02:32:40.360] evening news who comes in on a perp walk on a federal plane coming into Houston [02:32:40.360 --> 02:32:45.360] Airport Intercontinental none other than Juan Abrego who they they was a top [02:32:45.360 --> 02:32:48.360] suspect as a bag man to pay off some of the folks in the middle involved with [02:32:48.360 --> 02:32:53.360] the Oklahoma City case Craig hit the roof it was that he called up his his [02:32:53.360 --> 02:32:57.360] colleagues in Tulsa says I don't want to work with you anymore at that point it [02:32:57.360 --> 02:33:00.360] was about the sixth or seventh lie that they fielded to him he says I don't want [02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:03.360] to deal with these guys they can't keep the facts straight they're not being [02:33:03.360 --> 02:33:07.360] honest with me why in the world should I be on that crack team and it was Juan [02:33:07.360 --> 02:33:10.360] Abrego that convinced him to step away from working with the FBI because they [02:33:10.360 --> 02:33:17.360] flat-out lied about it they knew who this guy was yeah the FBI lied I mean the [02:33:17.360 --> 02:33:21.360] one conclusion you can get is that they did not conduct an honest investigation [02:33:21.360 --> 02:33:25.360] that is the very least you can conclude and someone needs to be punished someone [02:33:25.360 --> 02:33:30.360] needs to be put away for that and no one ever was they were rewarded so at the [02:33:30.360 --> 02:33:34.360] very least you can draw from all of this this massive amount of information is [02:33:34.360 --> 02:33:38.360] that no conclusive investigation was carried out by the government and that [02:33:38.360 --> 02:33:50.360] is a crime I want to thank you for what you guys are doing and emphasize it well [02:33:50.360 --> 02:33:54.360] I get tired of people coming to me and saying well why do you investigate all [02:33:54.360 --> 02:33:58.360] this stuff is this some kind of kooky hobby you've got people are just so [02:33:58.360 --> 02:34:04.360] oblivious that is really it just to point out the fact just to point out [02:34:04.360 --> 02:34:09.360] this this fact to dispel this myth that you can trust the government what they [02:34:09.360 --> 02:34:14.360] say and trust what the mainstream media tells you and I really want to thank you [02:34:14.360 --> 02:34:19.360] for this information it's been very helpful for that alone you've done a [02:34:19.360 --> 02:34:30.360] country great service thank you well I think we're gonna wrap it up if you have [02:34:30.360 --> 02:34:35.360] any questions one-on-one we'd be more than willing to answer so anyways thank [02:34:35.360 --> 02:34:38.360] you for coming out to brave new books and listening to us talk I we've kept [02:34:38.360 --> 02:34:45.360] here a long time thanks for your interest all right [02:34:45.360 --> 02:34:54.360] Randy so what do you think is Randy there I'm here so what do you think Randy [02:34:54.360 --> 02:35:03.360] I'm always touched by this and in a way terribly frustrated because it reminds [02:35:03.360 --> 02:35:11.360] me of how bad things really are yeah that we live it we live amongst the [02:35:11.360 --> 02:35:20.360] enemy you know I'm I'm an ex I'm a combat veteran and I thought I was going [02:35:20.360 --> 02:35:26.360] to fight the enemy and it turned out I was going to fight for the enemy [02:35:26.360 --> 02:35:33.360] instead of against the enemy and it's been that way ever since it's [02:35:33.360 --> 02:35:40.360] frustrating to know that we have so many people in local government and are [02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:45.360] supposedly those people who are supposed to be detecting and defending us [02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:56.360] against crime seem to be the very ones that are committing the crimes indeed [02:35:56.360 --> 02:36:02.360] it's it's it's quite sad I mean just the amount of information here is just [02:36:02.360 --> 02:36:09.360] completely overwhelming and and I've got Chris Emory here back in studio in the [02:36:09.360 --> 02:36:15.360] back of the bookstore here we're at brave new books Chris this is this has just [02:36:15.360 --> 02:36:19.360] been amazing I mean it's just so much information I can't wait to see you guys [02:36:19.360 --> 02:36:23.360] documentary well thank you and once again we this has really been a hybrid [02:36:23.360 --> 02:36:29.360] broadcast you know and thank you to the host before your show came on yes [02:36:29.360 --> 02:36:32.360] Frederick graves thanks to Frederick graves for letting us preempt his show [02:36:32.360 --> 02:36:36.360] yeah and you know they of course brave new books it took a lot of people to put [02:36:36.360 --> 02:36:41.360] this together as I was putting the finishing touches on the the PowerPoint [02:36:41.360 --> 02:36:47.360] presentation this afternoon you know I could have just just the photo files I [02:36:47.360 --> 02:36:51.360] had to download and splice into the the pages I could have put on for three [02:36:51.360 --> 02:36:55.360] hours but we knew we had a time limit so we try to hit the bullet points and the [02:36:55.360 --> 02:37:00.360] most important parts of what happened right before and the day the weeks after [02:37:00.360 --> 02:37:03.360] and then you have to fast forward to 14 years later because you're you're [02:37:03.360 --> 02:37:09.360] literally overwhelmed with the information the you know and people ask [02:37:09.360 --> 02:37:13.360] me even if I went into them at the grocery store at a sporting event or if [02:37:13.360 --> 02:37:17.360] we happen to have a bite to eat when I'm on the road talking it's like well why [02:37:17.360 --> 02:37:22.360] are you doing this number one and and who do you have working with you and the [02:37:22.360 --> 02:37:27.360] reason that we're doing this is just like the folks with you know the victims [02:37:27.360 --> 02:37:31.360] of Waco I mean it was a horrific tragedy and all of the events that follow that [02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:34.360] and it's spelled out on my bio is that we don't want to remember the deaths of [02:37:34.360 --> 02:37:39.360] these people in a lie that is absolutely unacceptable and I was trying to be very [02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:44.360] tactful and and it's not a personal hit it's more of an objective observation on [02:37:44.360 --> 02:37:50.360] what's going on with the resources that are on online right now at the Memorial [02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:56.360] Museum and other entities that choose to completely they're enabling and they're [02:37:56.360 --> 02:38:01.360] perpetuating a story that simply is just full of holes and it's not that I'm going [02:38:01.360 --> 02:38:04.360] to go out in the street corner and keep yelling and so forth we're using [02:38:04.360 --> 02:38:08.360] resources such as the radio to get out of responsible and as factual [02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:12.360] representation of what happened here so here we are 14 years later yesterday I [02:38:12.360 --> 02:38:16.360] was living in Austin I clearly remember where I was when it happened just like a [02:38:16.360 --> 02:38:21.360] lot of folks do with other cases whether it be JFK or 9-eleven and to see the [02:38:21.360 --> 02:38:25.360] road and the things that influenced me and to try to get into this and the [02:38:25.360 --> 02:38:28.360] people that you meet along the way I think that's it's a life experience it [02:38:28.360 --> 02:38:31.360] was a very positive one I have no regrets there are a few things that may [02:38:31.360 --> 02:38:34.360] have changed such as what I chose to research and the resources I put in in [02:38:34.360 --> 02:38:39.360] certain parts of the case but other than that this is what life is all about and [02:38:39.360 --> 02:38:42.360] you every morning you wake up and you make a choice what do you want to do [02:38:42.360 --> 02:38:45.360] whether it be responsible or irresponsible meeting somebody that's [02:38:45.360 --> 02:38:50.360] good or bad or whatever and that's that's what this is working on this case [02:38:50.360 --> 02:38:55.360] stepping up to the plate and helping 73 year old grandmother such as Janie [02:38:55.360 --> 02:38:59.360] going out and having the opportunity it's an honor to go out to the gravesite [02:38:59.360 --> 02:39:04.360] of her kids her grandkids and to make sure that that rope is is in order and [02:39:04.360 --> 02:39:07.360] to make sure the flag looks good we do it you know I do it once a month she [02:39:07.360 --> 02:39:12.360] doesn't have a car and I'm like I said it's an honor to do that Holland comes [02:39:12.360 --> 02:39:17.360] walks into my life I walk into his life and he is a huge repository of [02:39:17.360 --> 02:39:21.360] information on this case and other related ones Andrew Griffin and I cross [02:39:21.360 --> 02:39:28.360] the paths the folks up until so what it is it's a patchwork of I like to call [02:39:28.360 --> 02:39:34.360] these people angels they come into your life absolutely so well it's just you [02:39:34.360 --> 02:39:39.360] know and I appreciate that one question by the member of the audience a few [02:39:39.360 --> 02:39:44.360] minutes ago and he was saying that you know some of his friends and associates [02:39:44.360 --> 02:39:49.360] say to him well you know what what's the deal is this just some kooky hobby of [02:39:49.360 --> 02:39:53.360] yours or or what are you some kind of conspiracy nut and why you spend your [02:39:53.360 --> 02:39:59.360] time on this and I mean yeah I I like everyone else would much rather be [02:39:59.360 --> 02:40:04.360] spending my time on other things you know but the thing is it the government [02:40:04.360 --> 02:40:08.360] is trying to kill us people okay and they've already killed people it's not [02:40:08.360 --> 02:40:12.360] just that they're covering this stuff up they're the ones that perpetrated it [02:40:12.360 --> 02:40:17.360] you know and so we we have to deal with this situation because it really is a [02:40:17.360 --> 02:40:24.360] matter of survival and plus we owe it out of respect to those innocent victims [02:40:24.360 --> 02:40:29.360] so that someday they will get justice that's right and there's a classic [02:40:29.360 --> 02:40:34.360] example of a case my dad asked me that same question several years ago and I [02:40:34.360 --> 02:40:37.360] have the utmost respect for my parents if you know them there there's some of [02:40:37.360 --> 02:40:42.360] they are the best that I could ever ask for and I was blessed to have been [02:40:42.360 --> 02:40:47.360] adopted and raised by them ever since I was a young boy and what really I think [02:40:47.360 --> 02:40:51.360] solidified the fact that my dad knew that we were on the right track that he [02:40:51.360 --> 02:40:54.360] and my mother had driven up from they were living in Dallas at the time of the [02:40:54.360 --> 02:40:59.360] 10 year anniversary they bought an entire table a 10 top table of tickets [02:40:59.360 --> 02:41:04.360] at $35 apiece and dad bought an entire table to help fund and support that [02:41:04.360 --> 02:41:09.360] event and they stayed overnight and attended not only the VIP dinner but [02:41:09.360 --> 02:41:12.360] listened to the speakers for at least half the day the next day I had to make [02:41:12.360 --> 02:41:16.360] it back for their obligations but I thought to myself you know what you [02:41:16.360 --> 02:41:20.360] couldn't ask for better support than that and that's what the people that [02:41:20.360 --> 02:41:24.360] we're working with we're family in a lot of ways we could fight in each other [02:41:24.360 --> 02:41:31.360] we're not naive we're not cavalier we're very we're very responsible and it's [02:41:31.360 --> 02:41:35.360] it's hard to put in words you know who your adversaries are and you know who [02:41:35.360 --> 02:41:39.360] your supporters are and you get wise to that every day by different aspects of [02:41:39.360 --> 02:41:43.360] this case that you work on and whether and it goes on to 9-11 and you know the [02:41:43.360 --> 02:41:48.360] TWA 800 what I see and there's a key word to this whole thing it's consistency [02:41:48.360 --> 02:41:53.360] when a disaster such as Oklahoma City or TWA 9-11 happens it's handled in a [02:41:53.360 --> 02:41:58.360] consistent manner and I've emulated this and reviewed this on other shows it's [02:41:58.360 --> 02:42:02.360] it's you get a clipboard you go down the punch list and you see how it's handled [02:42:02.360 --> 02:42:06.360] by not the local federal authorities such as the the Oklahoma City Field [02:42:06.360 --> 02:42:11.360] Office my god they had a vested interest in making sure that this case went well [02:42:11.360 --> 02:42:16.360] it was investigated thoroughly I've talked to retired FBI agents that were [02:42:16.360 --> 02:42:21.360] very upset on how this was handled so we can't paint a broad brush but my point [02:42:21.360 --> 02:42:26.360] is that you you speak to the individuals as individuals you can't pigeonhole them [02:42:26.360 --> 02:42:30.360] into a large group it's the top decision makers and we have a case in point of [02:42:30.360 --> 02:42:34.360] what happened with Attorney General Eric Holder as the Deputy Attorney General [02:42:34.360 --> 02:42:38.360] and his colleague we know Jamie Gorelick how she corrupted the investigation this [02:42:38.360 --> 02:42:42.360] case so we're just a very small part of the puzzle we're not the end all be all [02:42:42.360 --> 02:42:46.360] but we were doing this to encourage other folks to get up off of your tail [02:42:46.360 --> 02:42:50.360] and even if you have maybe a half hour an hour each day or that you know half [02:42:50.360 --> 02:42:54.360] hour each week get out there and support those that are trying to do similar work [02:42:54.360 --> 02:42:59.360] because you know as Alex says you never underestimate the power of one the more [02:42:59.360 --> 02:43:03.360] people you get together you stay focused don't ever do any personal attacks [02:43:03.360 --> 02:43:06.360] verbally or anything just stick with the facts and it's going to take you in the [02:43:06.360 --> 02:43:09.360] right direction and I think that's what's really helped us out over the years [02:43:09.360 --> 02:43:14.360] and my god I mean the resolute example of that is VZ Lotten and Charles Key [02:43:14.360 --> 02:43:19.360] you know George Wallace and Dale Phillips and there's another individual [02:43:19.360 --> 02:43:22.360] in fact he called in earlier on the show I think that we should give credit where [02:43:22.360 --> 02:43:27.360] credit is and that's Harman Taylor phenomenal unbelievable amount of [02:43:27.360 --> 02:43:31.360] research that he's done on the legal aspect of actually suing to stay the [02:43:31.360 --> 02:43:36.360] execution of McVeigh and we've had them on so we've covered that on another show [02:43:36.360 --> 02:43:41.360] but if you exquick the name Harman Taylor and Terre Haute litigation you'll find [02:43:41.360 --> 02:43:45.360] out the incredible work he's done Harman happens to be a very good friend of mine [02:43:45.360 --> 02:43:50.360] he's met the Andrew in Holland and Holland has got most respect for him too [02:43:50.360 --> 02:43:55.360] so Harman if you're listening we we owe you so much for opening up yet another [02:43:55.360 --> 02:44:02.360] door on the aspect of this case yes indeed I agree we're gonna we've got [02:44:02.360 --> 02:44:07.360] about 15 more minutes left of the show and so I'm going to open up the phone [02:44:07.360 --> 02:44:11.360] lines now for callers of callers if you'd like to call in and ask Chris a [02:44:11.360 --> 02:44:17.360] question or talk to me or Randy in the meantime Randy do you have any questions [02:44:17.360 --> 02:44:23.360] for Chris no I've been over this several times and I guess my main question is is [02:44:23.360 --> 02:44:30.360] how do you keep from getting so thoroughly depressed and dejected over [02:44:30.360 --> 02:44:39.360] the one you know every official everybody you should be able to trust is [02:44:39.360 --> 02:44:45.360] all right it turns out to be the one that turns on you how do you I listen to [02:44:45.360 --> 02:44:51.360] you know I and I just get it's hard it's hard for me to to listen to this and [02:44:51.360 --> 02:44:55.360] not just want to go grab somebody by their throat yeah I know no kidding [02:44:55.360 --> 02:45:00.360] there's there's been a couple of times and I've animated this with Holland [02:45:00.360 --> 02:45:04.360] that I've wanted to take all my research material cases at a time and just walk [02:45:04.360 --> 02:45:08.360] over to the dumpster behind where I live and just throw it out and walk away from [02:45:08.360 --> 02:45:14.360] this it is it is mentally and emotionally overwhelming sometimes and [02:45:14.360 --> 02:45:18.360] it's not not the big things it's the little things that add up and but you [02:45:18.360 --> 02:45:21.360] have to you have to keep it in perspective and Randy I mean you you [02:45:21.360 --> 02:45:25.360] endeavor a classic example on that my god what you guys deal with on a daily [02:45:25.360 --> 02:45:29.360] basis on the legal aspect anyway I'm gonna step out Holland just came back in [02:45:29.360 --> 02:45:35.360] studio and I'm gonna step out and he's gonna kind of gonna pinch it and take [02:45:35.360 --> 02:45:39.360] up the the next 10 minutes of the show here all and so you want to go and [02:45:39.360 --> 02:45:52.360] answer the question okay well it is hard but I for some reason I don't have the [02:45:52.360 --> 02:45:56.360] Harman's on the line to you all right Harmon I for some reason I'm just not [02:45:56.360 --> 02:46:00.360] willing to walk away from this information I see when I see something [02:46:00.360 --> 02:46:05.360] that needs to be done like this I just I want to I want to make sure it doesn't [02:46:05.360 --> 02:46:07.360] happen again in the future and the only way we can do that really is to present [02:46:07.360 --> 02:46:12.360] the information inform as many people as possible and hopefully if it does happen [02:46:12.360 --> 02:46:17.360] again or even better we can even predictor preventive are happening again [02:46:17.360 --> 02:46:24.360] by letting people know what their SOP is so I mean my my antidote is action so [02:46:24.360 --> 02:46:28.360] that's what I do indeed and speaking of Harmon Taylor we've got him on the line [02:46:28.360 --> 02:46:33.360] here let's take his call hey Harmon thanks for calling in well your [02:46:33.360 --> 02:46:39.360] comments on this I can't tell you how much all of us and then Chris and and [02:46:39.360 --> 02:46:45.360] Holland and Andrew are there doing it in person but it's impossible to express [02:46:45.360 --> 02:46:51.360] how much it means to all of us pursuing the truth in this case that you guys [02:46:51.360 --> 02:46:56.360] continue to allow us to have this much air time to go over it and to reach new [02:46:56.360 --> 02:47:02.360] minds and to reach new perspectives with the people who've been studying it just [02:47:02.360 --> 02:47:07.360] one thought I mean I share I feel I owe it to you guys I mean you know this [02:47:07.360 --> 02:47:12.360] this information has to get out I mean this is this is why we're on the air [02:47:12.360 --> 02:47:17.360] it's not just so that I can be on the air for my thing I mean it's it's for [02:47:17.360 --> 02:47:22.360] everyone you know we have to do the right thing here so yeah I mean thank [02:47:22.360 --> 02:47:27.360] you for all the work ultimately it's the nation that we intend to benefit and [02:47:27.360 --> 02:47:34.360] truth will out in this eventually and we're just we're going to be like VZ I [02:47:34.360 --> 02:47:40.360] say we'll find out who tried to murder him period really toward that end there [02:47:40.360 --> 02:47:44.360] was a question that came up about motive and I want to share my pet theory and [02:47:44.360 --> 02:47:48.360] then I'm gonna get off and let you get some other callers I'm absolutely [02:47:48.360 --> 02:47:53.360] positively as I stand before God and all witnesses assembled satisfied that the [02:47:53.360 --> 02:47:58.360] motive for this bombing was to destroy the case files regarding a drug [02:47:58.360 --> 02:48:06.360] investigation in Meno Arkansas that in my mind what was that all about well as [02:48:06.360 --> 02:48:11.360] you know the Clinton gang ran the drug trade out of Meno Arkansas there's all [02:48:11.360 --> 02:48:17.360] these horrific stories the two that come to mind are those young kids who are [02:48:17.360 --> 02:48:21.360] found on the railroad track today and we don't need to get into the details [02:48:21.360 --> 02:48:25.360] think they did this to protect Clinton about all of that but their drug [02:48:25.360 --> 02:48:32.360] operation was going on there and they go to at that time people very highly [02:48:32.360 --> 02:48:38.360] vested in government in the federal government okay there's a case going on [02:48:38.360 --> 02:48:42.360] they didn't want that out they didn't want anybody talking about it they [02:48:42.360 --> 02:48:46.360] needed to make a point because this is the insanity that drug dealers engage [02:48:46.360 --> 02:48:50.360] and so they went murdered people because that's what drug dealers think they're [02:48:50.360 --> 02:48:58.360] supposed to do so as a method as a message of saying I'm God here and you're [02:48:58.360 --> 02:49:02.360] not going to mess with me and you're not going to investigate me and you're not [02:49:02.360 --> 02:49:08.360] going to investigate the organization they blew up the files and they did it [02:49:08.360 --> 02:49:17.360] in such a way as to blow up kids insanity of the worst order and so I just [02:49:17.360 --> 02:49:21.360] wanted to make mention and no one else has to claim title to that but I'm [02:49:21.360 --> 02:49:27.360] always going to hang on to that as the primary motive for the Murrah building [02:49:27.360 --> 02:49:32.360] massacre it was Harman are you saying that they were trying to protect Clinton [02:49:32.360 --> 02:49:40.360] yes I'm I'll go so far as to say that he was in on the planning of it oh boy [02:49:40.360 --> 02:49:45.360] wouldn't surprise me I don't know that and there's no way in the world I can [02:49:45.360 --> 02:49:49.360] prove that but I can tell you that there were an awful lot of files put into [02:49:49.360 --> 02:49:54.360] temporary storage over at the post office and then a very suspicious truck [02:49:54.360 --> 02:49:59.360] with people in black suits and submachine guns came and helped deliver [02:49:59.360 --> 02:50:05.360] to help remove those documents into a white panel truck unlabeled and we have [02:50:05.360 --> 02:50:14.360] never seen the MENA drug investigation files again yeah yeah these telltales [02:50:14.360 --> 02:50:18.360] like 9-eleven when so many files disappeared from building seven and the [02:50:18.360 --> 02:50:23.360] towers themselves and you know I mean like like I said in the presentation [02:50:23.360 --> 02:50:26.360] they they often wrap up so many things into operations like this and the [02:50:26.360 --> 02:50:31.360] primary motive may have been the MENA cover-up the drug deal anyway I don't [02:50:31.360 --> 02:50:38.360] want to share that and then thanks so much again for doing this anniversary [02:50:38.360 --> 02:50:42.360] show and maybe one of these anniversaries we're going to have a [02:50:42.360 --> 02:50:48.360] probable cause affidavit and a list of suspects and maybe some some prosecution [02:50:48.360 --> 02:50:52.360] of the state or federal level but anyway thanks so much and talk to you soon [02:50:52.360 --> 02:50:56.360] right thank you Harmon we appreciate that so Randy what are your comments on [02:50:56.360 --> 02:51:03.360] what Harmon said I would sure look forward to a prosecution and indictment I [02:51:03.360 --> 02:51:08.360] would look forward to some clear criminal accusations I could take to a [02:51:08.360 --> 02:51:12.360] grand jury well yeah and that's the whole reason I got into this to begin [02:51:12.360 --> 02:51:18.360] with Randy and and how you and I ended up crossing crossing paths was because I [02:51:18.360 --> 02:51:22.360] have the intention of taking all the evidence that we've amassed regarding [02:51:22.360 --> 02:51:27.360] the 9-eleven cover-up in decor and it's just getting more and more we're getting [02:51:27.360 --> 02:51:32.360] more and more evidence every day okay and says also all of professor Stephen [02:51:32.360 --> 02:51:37.360] Jones's new research and and we've got architects and engineers for 9-eleven [02:51:37.360 --> 02:51:44.360] truth now with with over 600 and like what is it almost 700 members now of [02:51:44.360 --> 02:51:49.360] licensed professional degreed architects and engineers that are saying the [02:51:49.360 --> 02:51:55.360] official story makes no sense at all and now we've even and now because of Tom [02:51:55.360 --> 02:52:02.360] Kiley one of our hosts he's actually been able to get George Galloway MP [02:52:02.360 --> 02:52:08.360] Prime Minister British Parliament member who's been very outspoken against the [02:52:08.360 --> 02:52:12.360] war in Iraq and Bush's policies now George Galloway is starting to see the [02:52:12.360 --> 02:52:19.360] light about 9-eleven truth as well and guess what he's our newest host on the [02:52:19.360 --> 02:52:26.360] network Wow yeah and actually he already has his own radio show and so we're [02:52:26.360 --> 02:52:31.360] actually just gonna be simulcasting his stream but he is going to be a host of [02:52:31.360 --> 02:52:34.360] it I mean technically he's a host on this network now I'm just not going to be [02:52:34.360 --> 02:52:39.360] producing his show so yeah we've got George Galloway now that's awesome [02:52:39.360 --> 02:52:43.360] British Parliament member as our newest host so yeah I mean we're making a [02:52:43.360 --> 02:52:51.360] difference it's really true we just got to stay with it it's building up we can [02:52:51.360 --> 02:52:57.360] see it building the country seems to be waking up and it's because you guys have [02:52:57.360 --> 02:53:03.360] stayed after this so long deed never would give up people more and more [02:53:03.360 --> 02:53:07.360] people keep hearing it and they tell more and more people we will reach a [02:53:07.360 --> 02:53:14.360] point of where acceptance will go viral yeah I'm here with new books and I'm [02:53:14.360 --> 02:53:18.360] living through some of these books and you see some books discussing 9-eleven a [02:53:18.360 --> 02:53:22.360] very academic manner like it's a given that it was an inside job they're [02:53:22.360 --> 02:53:27.360] discussing like just the psychological and political implications of that and [02:53:27.360 --> 02:53:32.360] these are by academics and so it's funny to see it actually mainstreamed like [02:53:32.360 --> 02:53:36.360] that the idea and you know and that's how it's going to be people are going to [02:53:36.360 --> 02:53:40.360] people are waking up and especially people involved with the open city bombing [02:53:40.360 --> 02:53:44.360] piece so many people in Oklahoma know that the ATF was not in the building [02:53:44.360 --> 02:53:47.360] that day that's one of the major facts people are suspicious about is that the [02:53:47.360 --> 02:53:53.360] ATF was gone so they know that they knew so hopefully that will open up the door [02:53:53.360 --> 02:53:57.360] to more people coming forward we have people coming to us on a fairly [02:53:57.360 --> 02:54:01.360] consistent basis with information it's just about every month that Chris calls [02:54:01.360 --> 02:54:05.360] me up with another informant providing us with another firsthand report of [02:54:05.360 --> 02:54:08.360] something going on with the Oklahoma City bombing that happens all the time [02:54:08.360 --> 02:54:12.360] in fact we're due to go interview someone within the next month next couple [02:54:12.360 --> 02:54:17.360] weeks who has information about seeing McVeigh so I mean the case is still [02:54:17.360 --> 02:54:24.360] alive and we're going to see it to its conclusion absolutely yeah we got Chris [02:54:24.360 --> 02:54:28.360] on yeah yeah Chris is back in studio with us and yeah yeah Randy's here as [02:54:28.360 --> 02:54:32.360] well this is a you know I was complimenting Harlan before we went on the [02:54:32.360 --> 02:54:36.360] air this facility is so versatile I mean they've got the technology they've got [02:54:36.360 --> 02:54:42.360] the resources the bookstore the the mini radio studio we couldn't really I don't [02:54:42.360 --> 02:54:45.360] think we could do this it really at any other location right now this is rare [02:54:45.360 --> 02:54:49.360] for you know not only a campus location but elsewhere in the United States [02:54:49.360 --> 02:54:54.360] Brave New Books is actually a bellwether of activism they've got a great [02:54:54.360 --> 02:54:58.360] repository of books and I really have to hold back every time I drive down here [02:54:58.360 --> 02:55:02.360] not to blow sixty or hundred dollars you know before we walk out of here [02:55:02.360 --> 02:55:07.360] last time a syrup lose seventy dollars yeah please support Brave New Books [02:55:07.360 --> 02:55:11.360] absolutely for hosting this event and for all the wonderful things they do [02:55:11.360 --> 02:55:16.360] getting the information out you can go to their website brave new bookstore dot [02:55:16.360 --> 02:55:21.360] com and support them get some of the information it's just it's just [02:55:21.360 --> 02:55:28.360] incredible just don't tell Harlan that you're holding back blame it on my wife [02:55:28.360 --> 02:55:32.360] thank you Randy this is Holland I'm going to be leaving now I'll be seeing [02:55:32.360 --> 02:55:37.360] some books out there so I've got to cut out thanks for having me on and thank [02:55:37.360 --> 02:55:40.360] you thank you Deborah and Randy for broadcasting thank you Holland thank you [02:55:40.360 --> 02:55:46.360] and it's good to meet you in person finally yes indeed our brothers in [02:55:46.360 --> 02:55:51.360] Oklahoma well we have about three more minutes left to be on the air so callers [02:55:51.360 --> 02:55:55.360] if you'd like to call in and ask Chris a question or speak about this issue five [02:55:55.360 --> 02:56:02.360] one two six four six nineteen eighty four so Randy what is your take on this [02:56:02.360 --> 02:56:08.360] do you do you do you have a formulation of a legal strategy of how we can go [02:56:08.360 --> 02:56:14.360] after these culprits these rogues no I'm afraid I don't yet until we can get [02:56:14.360 --> 02:56:19.360] some purchase in the courts and I'm working toward that I just came out of [02:56:19.360 --> 02:56:28.360] a seminar I'm here in Dallas to attend on the commercial processes I'm but by [02:56:28.360 --> 02:56:31.360] the way we had quite a few people ask where you were this evening and I said [02:56:31.360 --> 02:56:38.360] you're out on business Randy if okay okay just hypothetically speaking if the [02:56:38.360 --> 02:56:44.360] courts were functioning properly where would you where would you take it well [02:56:44.360 --> 02:56:49.360] we certainly have more than enough information to bring before a grand [02:56:49.360 --> 02:56:55.360] jury federal or state or both this would be almost have to be federal yeah [02:56:55.360 --> 02:56:59.360] that's what I was thinking too is federal building the problem problem is [02:56:59.360 --> 02:57:06.360] getting to a federal grand jury passed the US attorney yeah and now because [02:57:06.360 --> 02:57:13.360] what is it the federal rules state that the prosecutor is the one who holds the [02:57:13.360 --> 02:57:18.360] minutes of the grand jury I mean that is absolutely preposterous that's [02:57:18.360 --> 02:57:22.360] unconstitutional the grand jury is a separate branch of government that's [02:57:22.360 --> 02:57:26.360] like that's like you know the president keeping all the court records or [02:57:26.360 --> 02:57:31.360] something I we hope but we've got about a minute and a half left we've got Matt [02:57:31.360 --> 02:57:34.360] from Oklahoma spring mad on Matt it's almost the end of the show but what are [02:57:34.360 --> 02:57:47.360] your comments Matt do we have Matt with us okay apparently we don't have Matt [02:57:47.360 --> 02:57:53.360] well I'm in the process and this is what we keep working toward is finding a way [02:57:53.360 --> 02:58:00.360] to get to the courts and one of the strategies I'm looking at is going after [02:58:00.360 --> 02:58:08.360] the judges if you can shake the judges loose and put them in a position to [02:58:08.360 --> 02:58:16.360] where they feel at personal risk if they fail to follow law then we can use them [02:58:16.360 --> 02:58:21.360] to bring other people to rule of law we've got we've got a judge up there now [02:58:21.360 --> 02:58:25.360] that'll be at the top of your list and I have no compunction and saying his name [02:58:25.360 --> 02:58:30.360] is David Russell and Judge Russell you have a lot to speak on about how you [02:58:30.360 --> 02:58:34.360] handle the just you know the initial investigation and the extra the review [02:58:34.360 --> 02:58:38.360] of information before indictments were handed down on this case it's atrocious [02:58:38.360 --> 02:58:42.360] what you did and you know on a personal and professional aspect you should be [02:58:42.360 --> 02:58:48.360] ashamed of yourself indeed all right well listen it's time to go off the air [02:58:48.360 --> 02:58:54.360] but this has been a great event and thank you Chris for coming down and [02:58:54.360 --> 02:58:59.360] presenting it all to us we will be back on Thursday night and tune in tomorrow [02:58:59.360 --> 02:59:27.360] night for Tom Kiley and agenda 21 talk this is the rule of law on rule of law [02:59:27.360 --> 02:59:30.360] if you are [02:59:57.360 --> 03:00:00.360] you