[00:00.000 --> 00:10.880]  A government report Wednesday said more than 1 in 10 workers were unemployed in four states
[00:10.880 --> 00:11.880]  in January.
[00:11.880 --> 00:17.040]  According to a Reuters poll, more than 13 million Americans are now jobless.
[00:17.040 --> 00:21.360]  The FBI's Terrorist Screening Center admitted this week that more than one million names
[00:21.360 --> 00:26.040]  were on its terrorist watch list, showing how far the Bush administration had moved
[00:26.040 --> 00:28.320]  toward creating a police state.
[00:28.320 --> 00:33.560]  Freddie Mac said it will ask the government for nearly $31 billion in additional aid after
[00:33.560 --> 00:37.160]  posting a loss of more than $50 billion last year.
[00:37.160 --> 00:42.520]  A report comes just weeks after Fannie Mae said it would need $15 billion in government
[00:42.520 --> 00:51.200]  handouts after losing $60 billion last year.
[00:51.200 --> 00:56.720]  Investigative reporter Seymour Hersh uncovered a covert military operation he calls an executive
[00:56.720 --> 01:02.400]  assassination ring, which reported directly to former Vice President Dick Cheney.
[01:02.400 --> 01:07.880]  Hersh said the CIA was deeply involved in domestic activities against people thought
[01:07.880 --> 01:10.320]  to be enemies of the state.
[01:10.320 --> 01:15.840]  Hersh described a second area of extra-legal operations called the Joint Special Operations
[01:15.840 --> 01:21.120]  Command, who did not report to anybody except Cheney during the last administration.
[01:21.120 --> 01:26.320]  Hersh stated, under Bush's authority, they'd been going into countries not talking to the
[01:26.320 --> 01:31.520]  ambassador or the CIA station chief, finding people on a list, executing them, and then
[01:31.520 --> 01:32.520]  leaving.
[01:32.520 --> 01:36.840]  Stories have been coming out about covert Pentagon assassination squads for the last
[01:36.840 --> 01:38.200]  several years.
[01:38.200 --> 01:44.440]  In 2003, Hersh reported on Task Force 121, which operated chiefly out of the Joint Special
[01:44.440 --> 01:53.600]  Operations Command.
[01:53.600 --> 01:59.080]  According to a Consumer Watchdog study, insurance and drug companies spent nearly $1 billion
[01:59.080 --> 02:02.800]  lobbying Congress in the past two years.
[02:02.800 --> 02:06.960]  Consumer Watchdog said that amount of money raises questions about the independence of
[02:06.960 --> 02:13.480]  lawmakers as they consider changes to the health care system proposed by the Obama administration.
[02:13.480 --> 02:20.480]  The study found the biggest beneficiaries included Senators John McCain with $546,000,
[02:20.480 --> 02:27.880]  Mitch McConnell with $425,000, and Max Baucus with $413,000.
[02:27.880 --> 02:32.200]  Baucus is head of the Senate Finance Committee and will play a leading role in the health
[02:32.200 --> 02:34.000]  care reform debate.
[02:34.000 --> 02:39.040]  Jerry Flanagan, Consumer Watchdog's health care advocate, noted Baucus was the top Democratic
[02:39.040 --> 02:45.520]  recipient of contributions from health insurers and drug makers over the last four years.
[02:45.520 --> 02:47.640]  Baucus has taken a leading role in the debate.
[02:47.640 --> 02:52.880]  He issued a so-called white paper in November advocating the kind of mandatory coverage
[04:47.640 --> 05:04.080]  of the bill.
[05:04.080 --> 05:09.200]  This is Debra Stephens, I'm here with Randy Kelton, this is the Rule of Law on Rule of
[05:09.200 --> 05:15.680]  Law Radio, you're listening on ruleoflawradio.com is where we produce the stream, that's where
[05:15.680 --> 05:18.000]  this show originates, that's where this network originates.
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[05:24.920 --> 05:31.240]  we're on in Madison, Wisconsin, Sioux Falls, South Dakota, also Omaha, Nebraska, the Sioux
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[05:36.160 --> 05:41.740]  in Oklahoma, that would be Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Guthrie, Durant, we're also on the
[05:41.740 --> 05:47.440]  air here in Austin and several others up in the Midwest as well, Pacific Northwest, Idaho
[05:47.440 --> 05:48.440]  and such.
[05:48.440 --> 05:53.600]  So if you are listening on one of our affiliates, our FM and AM affiliates, if you're near a
[05:53.600 --> 05:59.640]  computer could you please tune in to our stream, ruleoflawradio.com, click on the radio at
[05:59.640 --> 06:04.400]  the top and pull our stream so we can get our numbers up, our stream numbers so we can
[06:04.400 --> 06:09.560]  have something to show potential sponsors and get our shoutcast stats up, that would
[06:09.560 --> 06:11.680]  be really, really great.
[06:11.680 --> 06:18.360]  And also don't forget two weeks from tonight, March 30th, we'll be broadcasting at City
[06:18.360 --> 06:27.800]  Hall here in Austin for the public hearing on the atrocity of the police wanting to take
[06:27.800 --> 06:32.240]  blood, stick needles in our arms on the side of the road, okay?
[06:32.240 --> 06:36.240]  I don't think so, ain't going to happen with me, I can promise you that.
[06:36.240 --> 06:42.200]  So we'll be broadcasting there, we're going to let these people know that we are not in
[06:42.200 --> 06:49.000]  agreement with the feds, with them taking federal funding to stick needles in people's
[06:49.000 --> 06:54.640]  arms and take blood on the side of the road here at routine traffic stops in Austin, Texas,
[06:54.640 --> 06:57.780]  we're not going to put up with it and we're here to let them know.
[06:57.780 --> 07:01.800]  And Randy and I have been doing research, as far as I can tell there is no law that
[07:01.800 --> 07:05.120]  authorizes the police chief to take federal funding for anything.
[07:05.120 --> 07:11.320]  I mean, I can't just go and give the police chief, offer him a bunch of money to fund
[07:11.320 --> 07:16.920]  a program, I would like to see them implement, that would be called bribery, okay?
[07:16.920 --> 07:21.640]  So if there's no law that authorizes them to take money from the feds, they can't, all
[07:21.640 --> 07:22.640]  right?
[07:22.640 --> 07:24.200]  Just like they can't take money from me or anyone else.
[07:24.200 --> 07:27.240]  So we're going to have something to say about it, Randy is going to get up there on the
[07:27.240 --> 07:31.400]  mic when they open it up to public commentary and Randy is going to let them know exactly
[07:31.400 --> 07:34.360]  what's going to happen to these people.
[07:34.360 --> 07:39.240]  If they try to go through with this, i.e. tons of criminal charges, they're going to
[07:39.240 --> 07:43.560]  get dragged in front of a grand jury, they're going to get the crapola suit out of them,
[07:43.560 --> 07:45.000]  on and on and on the list goes on.
[07:45.000 --> 07:50.760]  So that's coming up two weeks from tonight and we will be broadcasting the live, the
[07:50.760 --> 07:54.680]  mic where people are going to be speaking so you'll hear the whole thing on the air.
[07:54.680 --> 08:00.200]  All right, so with that being said, we are now going to go to our guest.
[08:00.200 --> 08:05.920]  We have Stacey Guidry with us tonight from Texas Campaign for the Environment and one
[08:05.920 --> 08:13.560]  of the things that she wanted to discuss was electronics disposal and this is a big issue
[08:13.560 --> 08:20.200]  right now and it reminds me of Katherine Albrecht in her talk a few weeks ago at Brave New Books.
[08:20.200 --> 08:29.160]  She was saying that they have microchip implanted so many fish, the salmon up in the Pacific
[08:29.160 --> 08:39.200]  Northwest and in Alaska, they are microchipping wild fish now, the salmon, God knows why and
[08:39.200 --> 08:44.320]  the birds when they eat the fish, then they poop out the microchips because they can't
[08:44.320 --> 08:50.320]  digest it of course and there have been so many fish implanted with so many chips and
[08:50.320 --> 08:54.640]  that have passed through the digestive systems of birds and been pooped all over these islands
[08:54.640 --> 09:00.600]  that when you fly over the islands in a plane, the entire islands glisten like it's coated
[09:00.600 --> 09:05.480]  with glitter, like the whole island coated with glitter, glistening that you look down
[09:05.480 --> 09:10.600]  and see because there are so many microchips all over the whole island, they are just destroying
[09:10.600 --> 09:11.600]  the environment with it.
[09:11.600 --> 09:15.120]  They may not be able to find salmon but they can sure find the guano.
[09:15.120 --> 09:18.400]  Okay, so Stacey, what do you think about that?
[09:18.400 --> 09:25.520]  Well, I don't really take position with that, my main issue is electronics recycling and
[09:25.520 --> 09:26.840]  that's what I'd like to talk about.
[09:26.840 --> 09:30.280]  All right, go ahead, I just wanted to mention that because I thought that we need to have
[09:30.280 --> 09:34.200]  a little bit of better way of dealing with this, how about we just not use the microchips
[09:34.200 --> 09:40.240]  at all but at any rate, yes, please get into some of these topics you wanted to discuss
[09:40.240 --> 09:42.240]  about the recycling.
[09:42.240 --> 09:47.000]  You know, firstly, I just wanted to clarify exactly what is electronic waste and essentially
[09:47.000 --> 09:53.600]  it's anything with a cord or a battery, computers, TVs, cell phones, hair dryers, weed whackers,
[09:53.600 --> 09:58.600]  toasters or vacuum cleaner, they all have an array of toxic heavy metals such as lead
[09:58.600 --> 10:04.600]  and mercury and they are considered hazardous materials when they're cracked or broken and
[10:04.600 --> 10:08.440]  municipal landfills are just not designed to handle these kind of products with those
[10:08.440 --> 10:14.600]  heavy metals, they really do leak out into the ground and drinking water and we have
[10:14.600 --> 10:22.000]  been as an organization since 2002 working to push producer responsibility or what we
[10:22.000 --> 10:27.600]  call extended producer responsibility or EPR and that's whenever companies take back their
[10:27.600 --> 10:31.600]  products for proper recycling since they're so toxic.
[10:31.600 --> 10:34.320]  So have you, do you have any traction on that issue?
[10:34.320 --> 10:39.400]  Oh yes, we've been very, very successful here in Texas.
[10:39.400 --> 10:46.080]  Starting in 2002 with our campaign, we really pushed for about 18 months on a small company
[10:46.080 --> 10:54.080]  you might know as Dell Computers since their headquarters here in the Austin area, we were
[10:54.080 --> 11:02.080]  able to organize communities and local governments, other environmental groups as well to really
[11:02.080 --> 11:08.160]  get this company to see the light that taking back their products and recycling them responsibly
[11:08.160 --> 11:15.960]  is the best way to go, especially for providing jobs and corporate image, restoring corporate
[11:15.960 --> 11:22.360]  image and just being a responsible company and they really led the way for other companies
[11:22.360 --> 11:29.840]  to jump on board, companies like Hewlett Packard and Apple Computers so yes, that's kind of
[11:29.840 --> 11:34.720]  been the main campaign that we've been working on and we've been leading the way here in
[11:34.720 --> 11:41.720]  Texas and we are this year pushing strongly for television manufacturers to follow suit,
[11:41.720 --> 11:46.320]  especially with that digital switch coming around the corner and you know, it's a great
[11:46.320 --> 11:49.640]  time for folks to get that little converter box, people don't need to throw out their
[11:49.640 --> 11:54.760]  TVs but it's also the perfect time for folks to ditch their old TVs, put them out in the
[11:54.760 --> 11:58.280]  corner so the city can come and pick them up and throw them in the landfill and just
[11:58.280 --> 12:04.360]  go get the bright, shiny new flat panel screen TVs and we want to make sure that the companies
[12:04.360 --> 12:11.280]  are providing outlets for consumers in taking the burden off of local government.
[12:11.280 --> 12:18.560]  Has the city taken any interest in recovering these or recycling these or at least capturing
[12:18.560 --> 12:23.560]  especially the monitors which contain a phosphorous and mercury?
[12:23.560 --> 12:30.880]  Yes, the city of Austin passed a resolution as well as Travis County passed a resolution
[12:30.880 --> 12:38.320]  to help us push for electronic take back legislation in 2007 which passed unanimously through the
[12:38.320 --> 12:44.160]  House and the Senate, we had bipartisan support on both sides of the aisle in both houses
[12:44.160 --> 12:50.280]  so yes, it was a great step that Austin took and it led the way for other cities to get
[12:50.280 --> 12:56.120]  on board, actually Georgetown was the first city in the state to pass a resolution in
[12:56.120 --> 12:57.120]  2006.
[12:57.120 --> 13:03.680]  Wait a minute, wait a minute, how is Williamson County going to profit from this?
[13:03.680 --> 13:09.360]  No, we don't, that's the problem, we are not wanting the local government to deal with
[13:09.360 --> 13:14.640]  this at all, it's a producer take back responsibility issue here.
[13:14.640 --> 13:20.160]  Well Williamson County has such a reputation, anytime they do anything that seems positive
[13:20.160 --> 13:24.640]  we have to look for the other foot to fall.
[13:24.640 --> 13:32.720]  I understand and as a county, Williamson County recycles less than 1% of the county's trash
[13:32.720 --> 13:39.520]  and you know, we want to make sure that the electronics companies are keeping the stuff
[13:39.520 --> 13:44.320]  out of our landfills, out of incinerators and we need to make sure that the stuff is
[13:44.320 --> 13:51.480]  not leaving our shores for exportation to countries like China, Mexico and Nigeria,
[13:51.480 --> 13:58.520]  there are very rude scrap, elementary scrap yards for processing these old electronics
[13:58.520 --> 14:03.960]  that get dumped from rich developed nations to very poor underdeveloped nations.
[14:03.960 --> 14:11.960]  What about moving these to other countries in terms of reusing the equipment?
[14:11.960 --> 14:23.600]  Well that's a big problem, there's actually an article or an expose that the organization
[14:23.600 --> 14:33.160]  Boswell Action Network or BAN, if you go to BAN.org, they did an expose in a province
[14:33.160 --> 14:40.000]  in China on a coastal city called the Guayu province and they've also done an expose
[14:40.000 --> 14:47.200]  in Lagos, Nigeria where they have talked to locals and the government where about 75%
[14:47.200 --> 14:52.480]  of the old electronics that do come to these countries actually don't work.
[14:52.480 --> 14:58.760]  It's a very cheap underhanded way of getting rid of a very, very big problem and just dumping
[14:58.760 --> 15:05.000]  it in somebody else's backyard and unfortunately these countries have very lax environmental
[15:05.000 --> 15:10.560]  standards and poor worker health and safety standards as well.
[15:10.560 --> 15:16.800]  So we send our garbage to them in terms of working equipment and they get it and it turns
[15:16.800 --> 15:19.920]  into trash in their landsfills?
[15:19.920 --> 15:26.480]  Well a lot of times they just will put it on the whatever they can pull off, they'll
[15:26.480 --> 15:35.600]  do like scrap recycling to pull out precious metals like gold, nickel and copper and the
[15:35.600 --> 15:42.200]  circuitry on the motherboard, but they'll discard the rest, especially all the plastics
[15:42.200 --> 15:47.520]  and they'll just burn it off to reduce the volume so they can pile more on top and it
[15:47.520 --> 15:55.840]  just goes into the lakes, rivers and streams so there's a lot of pollution in those areas
[15:55.840 --> 16:05.920]  where the water actually has to be trucked in from neighboring cities and the fish, people
[16:05.920 --> 16:15.080]  just can't consume the fish in these lakes, rivers and streams and it's just a travesty
[16:15.080 --> 16:22.120]  of what's going on in these other countries, our irresponsibility and that's why we're
[16:22.120 --> 16:26.280]  putting the pressure on the many bashers because they're the ones that can make the design
[16:26.280 --> 16:33.200]  changes much further upstream, we need innovative design practices here where we phase out toxins
[16:33.200 --> 16:36.800]  like lead and mercury and we design for recycling not dumping.
[16:36.800 --> 16:45.480]  Okay we're about to go to break, when we come back from break I'd like to explore this redesign
[16:45.480 --> 16:51.840]  or this idea of encouraging companies to design differently.
[16:51.840 --> 16:54.760]  Alright we'll be right back.
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[18:46.040 --> 18:51.040]  Let them not stand up and fight and fight for the freedom and the freedom
[18:51.040 --> 18:56.040]  And let them love slavery and get handouts from the governments
[18:56.040 --> 19:00.040]  Where we at? We ask the question
[19:00.040 --> 19:05.040]  Don't know what they're hiding Don't have a answer
[19:05.040 --> 19:10.040]  Don't think they're invited Don't be asked a question
[19:10.040 --> 19:16.040]  Let them love slavery and get handouts from the governments
[19:16.040 --> 19:21.040]  Where we at? We ask the question
[19:21.040 --> 19:26.040]  Don't know what they're hiding Don't have a answer
[19:26.040 --> 19:31.040]  Don't think they're invited Don't be asked a question
[19:31.040 --> 19:36.040]  Don't think they're invited Don't be asked a question
[19:36.040 --> 19:43.040]  Yes, why should manufacturers be responsible for cycling their obsolete electronics?
[19:43.040 --> 19:47.040]  After all, they've sold it and it's not theirs anymore.
[19:47.040 --> 19:52.040]  Well, that's a good question. A, they contain very toxic components like lead and mercury
[19:52.040 --> 19:58.040]  And it would really provide a market incentive to design these products environmentally sound
[19:58.040 --> 20:05.040]  And make them more sustainable products. B, local governments just cannot support e-waste
[20:05.040 --> 20:12.040]  Recycling financially is a very, very hard burden on local governments
[20:12.040 --> 20:18.040]  And while we can commend those companies that are shifting their corporate policy
[20:18.040 --> 20:26.040]  To address obsolete electronics, these voluntary recycling programs could be stopped at any time
[20:26.040 --> 20:30.040]  Without warning or notice to the consumer or local government
[20:30.040 --> 20:35.040]  And if that happens, it gets dumped back onto the local government and the consumer has no idea what to do with it
[20:35.040 --> 20:42.040]  That means that the law doesn't work and that the easiest path would be straight to the landfill again
[20:42.040 --> 20:50.040]  Well, we have companies like Exxon and Dow Chemical
[20:50.040 --> 20:57.040]  Who are being held responsible for the industrial waste that they create
[20:57.040 --> 21:02.040]  But they've only been held responsible for the industrial waste they create
[21:02.040 --> 21:08.040]  That lands on their property directly
[21:08.040 --> 21:20.040]  Is there a way to extend the legislative reach to the toxic products they market to the environment?
[21:20.040 --> 21:23.040]  I'm not sure about that particularly
[21:23.040 --> 21:30.040]  We do believe that extended producer responsibility concept can be extended to an array of products
[21:30.040 --> 21:32.040]  Especially pharmaceuticals
[21:32.040 --> 21:38.040]  This is just kind of like tires and car batteries. They're not allowed in landfills
[21:38.040 --> 21:44.040]  We do have take-back and recycling programs or whole tires, excuse me, cannot be put into landfills
[21:44.040 --> 21:50.040]  But the computer industry is already accountable to a law that was passed in 2007
[21:50.040 --> 21:53.040]  That called for mandatory computer recycling in Texas
[21:53.040 --> 21:58.040]  And as a state, we joined many other states calling on these producers to be responsible
[21:58.040 --> 22:01.040]  And like I said before, with the analog to digital switch coming in June
[22:01.040 --> 22:08.040]  Televisions are going to create a tidal wave of toxins that are destined for our landfills and incinerators
[22:08.040 --> 22:12.040]  Or the illegal dumping in underdeveloped nations
[22:12.040 --> 22:23.040]  So how do we encourage these companies to quickly create programs to collect these?
[22:23.040 --> 22:32.040]  Some companies have already. TV companies like Sony, Samsung, Sharp, Panasonic, LG, Zenith
[22:32.040 --> 22:36.040]  These big companies have started recycling programs
[22:36.040 --> 22:47.040]  And you can actually take back your old computer and TVs back to any local Best Buy, anywhere in the nation
[22:47.040 --> 22:50.040]  And we'll take this stuff back and recycle it for you
[22:50.040 --> 22:52.040]  So we're getting retailers on board as well
[22:52.040 --> 22:57.040]  But like I said right now, it's the voluntary programs that they're doing
[22:57.040 --> 23:01.040]  Because we're putting pressure as a campaign on the companies
[23:01.040 --> 23:09.040]  We're educating their consumers that their products, when they're obsolete, don't have a final resting place
[23:09.040 --> 23:12.040]  Unless it's landfills or incinerators or illegal dumping
[23:12.040 --> 23:18.040]  Okay, what's the likelihood of being able to take them to legal task?
[23:18.040 --> 23:30.040]  Say I buy a television, I don't see a warning label on there warning me that the television contains mercury and phosphorus
[23:30.040 --> 23:33.040]  That is a really big problem as well
[23:33.040 --> 23:42.040]  Because public education portion of the electronic take back law that was passed in 2007 for computer recycling here in Texas
[23:42.040 --> 23:52.040]  The state environmental agency, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, TCEQ, you know, the law was passed
[23:52.040 --> 23:58.040]  The rules were implemented for stricter guidelines, but there was no funding for public education
[23:58.040 --> 24:02.040]  So that's a big problem. People don't know that this stuff is toxic
[24:02.040 --> 24:06.040]  And, you know, when I was very, you know, young a couple of years ago
[24:06.040 --> 24:12.040]  Before I started campaigning with Texas Campaigns for the Environment, I threw away several cell phones
[24:12.040 --> 24:15.040]  I had no idea there were toxic components
[24:15.040 --> 24:23.040]  It's a big problem and one of the things that we can do is get the companies to label their products toxic or hazardous
[24:23.040 --> 24:26.040]  Please do not, you know, dump in a landfill
[24:26.040 --> 24:31.040]  Please visit this website in order to responsibly recycle at the end of the life of this product
[24:31.040 --> 24:38.040]  They can also put their information in their pamphlets or their brochures that they mail out to consumers
[24:38.040 --> 24:44.040]  Dell computers have started implementing their process and their brochure packets that they send out to folks
[24:44.040 --> 24:48.040]  About bringing up their image and bringing up their corporations
[24:48.040 --> 24:51.040]  And they've really done a great job leading the way
[24:51.040 --> 24:57.040]  And it's really set a strong standard and these companies are, you know, complying
[24:57.040 --> 25:01.040]  I think the companies should come on board
[25:01.040 --> 25:09.040]  Are there any examples of acute contamination?
[25:09.040 --> 25:18.040]  Like if I bust a screen out of my television, how much poison am I spreading inside my personal environment?
[25:18.040 --> 25:26.040]  Well, each computer monitor and television, you know how big TVs can get, those huge big screen or wide screen TVs
[25:26.040 --> 25:39.040]  I mean, just a normal, probably an 18 to 32 inch monitor or TV screen is going to have 4 to 8 pounds of lead
[25:39.040 --> 25:47.040]  And in countries like the European Union, there's a lead free initiative where companies are starting to design
[25:47.040 --> 25:50.040]  their products without the use of lead
[25:50.040 --> 25:54.040]  And if these companies can do it overseas, they can definitely do it here in the US and other countries
[25:54.040 --> 25:57.040]  We just don't have the mandates in the book
[25:57.040 --> 26:09.040]  We have statutes in place, every company in the United States that's, I'm sorry, in Texas that sells four wheelers
[26:09.040 --> 26:14.040]  Recently had to stop selling the four wheelers designed for children
[26:14.040 --> 26:15.040]  Okay
[26:15.040 --> 26:24.040]  Because the steel that they're made with, in order to give the steel more flexibility, they use lead in it
[26:24.040 --> 26:25.040]  Okay
[26:25.040 --> 26:32.040]  And because it had a lead content higher than was allowed by the manufacturers, they couldn't sell it where children were around
[26:32.040 --> 26:38.040]  And, you know, the advertisements we were hearing, well, you know, until the kids start eating the frames off of them
[26:38.040 --> 26:46.040]  It's probably not a problem, but they still had to stop selling them and also books, older books
[26:46.040 --> 26:54.040]  All of these used book stores will have to have all of these books tested or they won't be able to sell them to children
[26:54.040 --> 27:03.040]  Because of the lead content, it would seem we could use that same legislation to force electronic manufacturers
[27:03.040 --> 27:08.040]  to take some really aggressive action or have their product banned
[27:08.040 --> 27:13.040]  Well, that's a good point, and I tell you what's even more disturbing is
[27:13.040 --> 27:24.040]  According to a Wall Street Journal report on July 12th of 2007, there was an expose that toxins from electronic waste
[27:24.040 --> 27:34.040]  discarded from Western countries was turning up in trinkets like children's jewelry, pendants, keychains
[27:34.040 --> 27:39.040]  that were fabricated and manufactured over in China and imported here in the U.S.
[27:39.040 --> 27:47.040]  And you understand the hand-to-mouth ratio of kids, you know, they've got to put everything in their mouth
[27:47.040 --> 27:56.040]  And it's a very bad cycle of events that's going on right now with illegal exportation, dumping
[27:56.040 --> 28:06.040]  and then remanufacturing using lead from these old computers back into products that get shipped over here to the U.S.
[28:06.040 --> 28:19.040]  Well, I was looking for a way to wave a major threat at these manufacturers to give them good reason to be magnimonious
[28:19.040 --> 28:25.040]  Because they're not going to be magnimonious unless you threaten them with imminent torture
[28:25.040 --> 28:29.040]  Well, I don't think that that's the process that we'll go with
[28:29.040 --> 28:37.040]  But one thing that we've really been able to do is to use their public image
[28:37.040 --> 28:45.040]  My campaign gets out every night. We have door-to-door community organizers or canvassers that get out into neighborhoods
[28:45.040 --> 28:49.040]  in the region and we get to speak face-to-face with the voters, consumers and taxpayers
[28:49.040 --> 29:00.040]  And when you tell a company, or excuse me, tell Texas residents that tax dollars are being used to clean up electronic
[29:00.040 --> 29:06.040]  e-waste, you know, and local governments that should not be shouldering the burden
[29:06.040 --> 29:11.040]  that we want to put the responsibility back on the producers
[29:11.040 --> 29:21.040]  When they hear that and they are able to connect the dots in their own mind, it's just, it makes sense
[29:21.040 --> 29:25.040]  And it provides, again, a market incentive for the companies
[29:25.040 --> 29:31.040]  They don't want a tarnished image in the eyes of their consumers
[29:31.040 --> 29:39.040]  They bank on loyalty brands and we really feel that
[29:39.040 --> 29:41.040]  Hang on, we have to go to break
[29:41.040 --> 29:44.040]  Yeah, we have to go to break. Let's hold you all for a few minutes into the next segment
[29:44.040 --> 29:45.040]  Okay, no worries
[29:45.040 --> 29:49.040]  Okay, this is Deborah Stevens and Randy Kelton here on The Rule of Law
[29:49.040 --> 29:53.040]  We're speaking with Stacy Guidry from the Texas Campaign for the Environment
[29:53.040 --> 29:55.040]  We will be right back
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[31:22.040 --> 31:49.040]  Okay, we are back
[31:49.040 --> 31:55.040]  Randy Kelton, Debra Stevens, we're here with Stacy Guidry, Texas Campaign for the Environment
[31:55.040 --> 31:59.040]  Alright, we're figuring out how we're going to take these companies to task
[31:59.040 --> 32:02.040]  We want to put the responsibility back on the companies who manufacture these products
[32:02.040 --> 32:11.040]  They should be responsible for some environmentally safe means of disposing of their products when they are no longer usable
[32:11.040 --> 32:15.040]  And so Randy, you had a question for Stacy?
[32:15.040 --> 32:18.040]  Yes, I tend to be more pragmatic
[32:18.040 --> 32:24.040]  If we simply try to bully these companies into doing what we want them to do, they're going to resist us like crazy
[32:24.040 --> 32:31.040]  And I was hoping we could find a way to schmooze them into wanting to do what we want them to
[32:31.040 --> 32:35.040]  And one way was addressing their public image
[32:35.040 --> 32:40.040]  But is there a way to address a profit motive?
[32:40.040 --> 32:41.040]  Absolutely
[32:41.040 --> 32:43.040]  Or an avoidance of loss motive?
[32:43.040 --> 32:49.040]  Well, there is an initial cost upfront to get a company's program started
[32:49.040 --> 32:55.040]  But we really haven't seen a cost increase in the products to the consumer compared to other states
[32:55.040 --> 32:58.040]  Because there's a national pricing structure
[32:58.040 --> 33:04.040]  And I can tell you that the long-term gains of corporate responsibility far outweigh those costs
[33:04.040 --> 33:15.040]  And one, again, the public image of companies that are practicing irresponsibly would be restored
[33:15.040 --> 33:29.040]  And recycling creates an estimated 250 jobs per ton in the recycling sector versus just one job per ton in the landfilling sector
[33:29.040 --> 33:37.040]  And it really shifts the linear structure of corporate policy from, say, extraction, production
[33:37.040 --> 33:41.040]  You sell it, and then the consumer discards it when it's old
[33:41.040 --> 33:49.040]  That would shift that structure to a more cyclical structure would be, you know, take it back, break it down, rebuild it, sell it
[33:49.040 --> 33:55.040]  And you make extra profit, which means you've cut down on time and energy during the production process
[33:55.040 --> 33:59.040]  And that means more time directed to recycling materials that have already been fabricated
[33:59.040 --> 34:05.040]  And really consumers can bring a lot less toxic products into their homes, you know
[34:05.040 --> 34:09.040]  Parents just really want to protect the health and safety of their children
[34:09.040 --> 34:16.040]  And environmental protection means general health protection, which frees up the medical system and tax dollars
[34:16.040 --> 34:29.040]  There was actually an Austin American Statesman article dated September 24th of 2003, which highlighted a study by Washington-based Environmental Working Group
[34:29.040 --> 34:37.040]  They used a certified lab to test the levels of brominated flame retardants in the breast milk of 20 women throughout the country
[34:37.040 --> 34:46.040]  This chemical is found in 100% of the women, and it is 75 times higher than those in recent European studies
[34:46.040 --> 34:51.040]  And breast milk is, of course, still the best, but we don't want this violation of our bodies
[34:51.040 --> 34:57.040]  And we feel the consumer has a right to know on these issues, and the companies need to be responsible
[34:57.040 --> 35:06.040]  You will get a lot more consumer loyalty whenever people know that your company is practicing with the best intentions
[35:06.040 --> 35:11.040]  And that tax dollars are not going to be put to use to clean up their mess
[35:11.040 --> 35:20.040]  And that was the one thing. Oh, by the way, we have our phone lines open if you have any questions or any comments for Stacey
[35:20.040 --> 35:25.040]  I'm still interested in how we can schmooze these companies
[35:25.040 --> 35:27.040]  Well, it's really not about schmoozing
[35:27.040 --> 35:39.040]  The way that our camp has been successful is that we have been able to, through our door-to-door political canvas, educate thousands and thousands of Texans
[35:39.040 --> 35:47.040]  We've gotten them to write, just for the Bell campaign, for example, in 18 months we generated about 10,000 letters to that company
[35:47.040 --> 35:56.040]  Just from people like you and me, the doors that we knocked on in the region, Dallas, and so forth, and to Apple, Inc
[35:56.040 --> 35:59.040]  We generated 9,000 letters in about 15 months
[35:59.040 --> 36:02.040]  So we got the company to listen to us loud and clear
[36:02.040 --> 36:03.040]  We were able to sit down
[36:03.040 --> 36:09.040]  We had clout with them because they knew we were out talking to their consumers
[36:09.040 --> 36:13.040]  And they knew that they were practicing irresponsibly
[36:13.040 --> 36:14.040]  And they saw the light
[36:14.040 --> 36:22.040]  They were able to start their recycling program and restore their image once again
[36:22.040 --> 36:28.040]  Do you have any proposed legislation in the works?
[36:28.040 --> 36:31.040]  Absolutely
[36:31.040 --> 36:38.040]  The computer take-back law in 2007 that, again, was passed unanimously through the House and the Senate
[36:38.040 --> 36:53.040]  was introduced by Senator Kirk Watson, he's a Democrat, here in the Austin area, and Republican Representative Dennis Bonin from Missouri accounting
[36:53.040 --> 36:59.040]  Since that passed, again, like I said, the natural progression would be go into TVs and make sure that these companies are also recycling
[36:59.040 --> 37:03.040]  before that difficult switch hits us June 12, 2009
[37:03.040 --> 37:11.040]  So Senator Watson has introduced Senate Bill 761
[37:11.040 --> 37:20.040]  And there's a companion bill to that that is also introduced by Representative Bonin, again
[37:20.040 --> 37:30.040]  I think the most comprehensive bill that we've found so far that we've been working on the House side is Representative Ryan Guillen
[37:30.040 --> 37:36.040]  He represents the Valley and expands electronic waste take-back law to TVs
[37:36.040 --> 37:47.040]  And it requires producers to take them back now from public and private schools, small businesses, nonprofit organizations
[37:47.040 --> 37:56.040]  And it expands the scope of electronics to keyboards and mice and PDAs and cell phones as well
[37:56.040 --> 38:00.040]  Not just televisions and then computers
[38:00.040 --> 38:08.040]  So that's the most comprehensive bill that we've got filed so far and we're getting a lot of movements on that right now
[38:08.040 --> 38:24.040]  There's another bill from Representative Liebowitz, Bill 821, that also expands electronic waste take-back law to televisions
[38:24.040 --> 38:28.040]  Liebowitz, is that a Texas legislator?
[38:28.040 --> 38:32.040]  He's in the House
[38:32.040 --> 38:38.040]  There's another question and I'll remember it in a second
[38:38.040 --> 38:42.040]  My mother tells me this is not going to get better
[38:42.040 --> 38:51.040]  No, electronic waste is the fastest growing stream of waste in the U.S.
[38:51.040 --> 38:55.040]  And I personally in my heart feel the entire world
[38:55.040 --> 38:59.040]  We throw away hundreds of thousands of cell phones a day
[38:59.040 --> 39:02.040]  It's pretty ridiculous
[39:02.040 --> 39:09.040]  Is the electronic waste, is it profitable to recycle it at this point?
[39:09.040 --> 39:11.040]  Yes, yes it is
[39:11.040 --> 39:17.040]  Not only can you put Texans to work and Americans to work by keeping this junk here on our shores
[39:17.040 --> 39:23.040]  and employ people to the recycling sector rather than just dumping in landfills or exporting overseas
[39:23.040 --> 39:31.040]  Companies are starting to see a profit and they're starting to see more loyalty from their consumers
[39:31.040 --> 39:38.040]  People are coming back to companies that have responsible practices in their corporate policy structure
[39:38.040 --> 39:41.040]  And that's really what we're pushing here
[39:41.040 --> 39:50.040]  My question, comment question, I go to Best Buy and Fry's and these other places
[39:50.040 --> 39:55.040]  I was surprised to hear that they have a take-back policy
[39:55.040 --> 39:56.040]  Okay
[39:56.040 --> 40:02.040]  Why don't I know? They don't seem to advertise that at all
[40:02.040 --> 40:10.040]  Again, public education is not being well funded by the state environmental agency
[40:10.040 --> 40:13.040]  We have this law, we have the rules implemented
[40:13.040 --> 40:16.040]  It's in effect, but people don't know about it
[40:16.040 --> 40:20.040]  And that's a big loophole that we're finding right now and there's no funding for it
[40:20.040 --> 40:28.040]  We can't even fund education for people to know there's a recycling program out there
[40:28.040 --> 40:31.040]  To deal with these toxic electronics responsibly
[40:31.040 --> 40:37.040]  How in the world are local governments going to be expected to shoulder the burden financially?
[40:37.040 --> 40:40.040]  It has to be back on the producer
[40:40.040 --> 40:42.040]  They are the ones that have the design process
[40:42.040 --> 40:46.040]  They are the ones that can base the toxins out of their products
[40:46.040 --> 40:49.040]  And whenever you take products that are less toxic
[40:49.040 --> 40:55.040]  You don't have to put as much time and energy into dismantling or breaking down and recycling
[40:55.040 --> 40:59.040]  And exposure to chemicals of your workforce
[40:59.040 --> 41:03.040]  That's all well and good and a lot of that's happening as a matter of course
[41:03.040 --> 41:14.040]  Because we're moving away from the cathode ray tubes into other technologies that are less toxic intensive
[41:14.040 --> 41:17.040]  They don't have the lead and the phosphorus
[41:17.040 --> 41:20.040]  But of what we have now
[41:20.040 --> 41:22.040]  Well the lead has been reduced greatly
[41:22.040 --> 41:26.040]  But the mercury content is much higher in those flat panel screens
[41:26.040 --> 41:36.040]  And just one 70th of a teaspoon of mercury can contaminate a 20 acre lake making the fish consumable
[41:36.040 --> 41:50.040]  Is there any legislation on the horizon to require these retail outlets to simply post that they will take back old electronics?
[41:50.040 --> 41:57.040]  No there's not, not to my knowledge, but you can go to the TCEQ website
[41:57.040 --> 42:04.040]  Or you can just go to TexasRecyclesComputers.com I believe
[42:04.040 --> 42:14.040]  And that will give you a list of all the computer companies in the state that are selling their brands in Texas that are compliant with the law
[42:14.040 --> 42:26.040]  And you know sometimes these are retailers if the companies that brand these products that they're selling at their retail stores
[42:26.040 --> 42:33.040]  If they're not meeting the codes and requirements of the state and the law that was implemented
[42:33.040 --> 42:40.040]  They are taken off of the computer or the Texas Reciples Computers website
[42:40.040 --> 42:44.040]  If they're in compliance they will be added to the website
[42:44.040 --> 42:48.040]  And that's the big struggle for these retailers that do want to do the right thing
[42:48.040 --> 42:53.040]  They want to provide their consumers with responsible outlets for these electronics
[42:53.040 --> 43:01.040]  But they're going to have to be checking you know unfortunately on a basis that's going to be a little burdensome
[43:01.040 --> 43:14.040]  I believe now that I think about it there is legislation out there that would require you know that the companies update
[43:14.040 --> 43:22.040]  Maybe quarterly or once a year, twice a year to the TCEQ of what they are doing, how they are complying
[43:22.040 --> 43:28.040]  Their recycling rates, their take back rates you know are they recycling enough and
[43:28.040 --> 43:32.040]  We're about out of time, we'll go to break
[43:32.040 --> 43:39.040]  When we come back we'll kind of recap and give us your website and how to contact you
[43:39.040 --> 43:41.040]  No problem
[43:41.040 --> 43:45.040]  Okay great, this is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
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[45:30.040 --> 45:37.040]  All right, this is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com
[45:37.040 --> 45:48.040]  You can pull our stream on ruleoflawradio.com or listen on any of the various AM and FM affiliates here in Austin and in Oklahoma and the Midwest
[45:48.040 --> 45:52.040]  We are speaking with Stacy Guidry of Texas Campaign for the Environment
[45:52.040 --> 46:00.040]  And Stacy, you wanted to just give us a brief recap on what people can do, where they can go and give us your website
[46:00.040 --> 46:07.040]  Yeah, absolutely. You know, numerous city and county governments across the state, Dale Computers,
[46:07.040 --> 46:14.040]  Sheila Packard, many environmental organizations, Goodwill Industries of Central Texas, small recyclers,
[46:14.040 --> 46:25.040]  several e-waste recycling firms and residents especially who have to live around landfills, these entities are all in support of this concept
[46:25.040 --> 46:29.040]  and produced to take that responsibility in recycling
[46:29.040 --> 46:37.040]  So what folks can do in their own personal way is, number one,
[46:37.040 --> 46:49.040]  if you want to get a converter box instead of throwing out your old TV, I would highly suggest that, it's a heck of a lot cheaper
[46:49.040 --> 46:58.040]  But if you do have a product that you need to get rid of, you can always visit www.texasenvironment.org
[46:58.040 --> 47:03.040]  Now, Texas environment is all one word spelled out, and that's our organizational website
[47:03.040 --> 47:13.040]  This will give links to folks that they can go and find out which brand of product they have
[47:13.040 --> 47:24.040]  matched it up with the company's website and they'll be able to find out exactly which company is doing what through their recycling program
[47:24.040 --> 47:32.040]  And the beauty about the law that we passed is that we're not trying to dictate how to run their business
[47:32.040 --> 47:41.040]  We're making sure that there are strong standards that have to be adhered to and that the company can make money that can create jobs
[47:41.040 --> 47:43.040]  It's really what we're pushing here
[47:43.040 --> 47:51.040]  And folks want to do the right thing, they just need the education and they just need proper outlets
[47:51.040 --> 47:58.040]  And that's what we provide as an organization that texts this campaign for the environment
[47:58.040 --> 48:02.040]  Stacey, thank you very much for your time
[48:02.040 --> 48:06.040]  Yes, thank you very much for your time and this important information that we need to get out to the people
[48:06.040 --> 48:08.040]  Absolutely, thank you
[48:08.040 --> 48:14.040]  All right, that was our guest, Stacey Guidry, Texas Campaign for the Environment
[48:14.040 --> 48:19.040]  Doing some little public service work here, public service announcements
[48:19.040 --> 48:23.040]  Because we care about the environment too here at Rule of Law Radio
[48:23.040 --> 48:31.040]  And I wanted to make another announcement, I've just confirmed with Attorney Brian Michaels out on the West Coast
[48:31.040 --> 48:40.040]  He's the attorney who has been fighting for the Rainbow Gathering, Rainbow Family for many years
[48:40.040 --> 48:47.040]  He goes, we met up with him this past year in 2007, Jerry and I when we were out there
[48:47.040 --> 48:52.040]  This has to do with the pepper spraying of Kitty Village, all right?
[48:52.040 --> 48:58.040]  Pepper spraying children, all right, and old people taking care of the kids in Kitty Village
[48:58.040 --> 49:04.040]  Which is a campsite where most people that have kids will go and camp together
[49:04.040 --> 49:08.040]  So that everybody can help each other, take care of each other's kids and stuff like that
[49:08.040 --> 49:15.040]  And so anyways, the feds, the federal agents, the forestry service
[49:15.040 --> 49:24.040]  Who are now being trained like crack commando military units and fatigues and the whole thing with machine guns and everything
[49:24.040 --> 49:28.040]  Out to shoot pepper spray at hippies in the woods with their kids, okay?
[49:28.040 --> 49:30.040]  So this happened last year
[49:30.040 --> 49:32.040]  Hey, they were good at that
[49:32.040 --> 49:33.040]  If you go on...
[49:33.040 --> 49:35.040]  Tell you, man
[49:35.040 --> 49:38.040]  If you Google the...
[49:38.040 --> 49:40.040]  Ixquick now, no Google
[49:40.040 --> 49:48.040]  Okay, that's right, Ixquick, the Rainbow Gathering, you will get on YouTube some very chilling video
[49:48.040 --> 49:51.040]  Yep, and I have some of it too
[49:51.040 --> 49:57.040]  These agents clearly did everything they could to provoke these people
[49:57.040 --> 49:58.040]  Oh, absolutely
[49:58.040 --> 50:01.040]  And they could not get it done and when they couldn't provoke them...
[50:01.040 --> 50:03.040]  They just started shooting
[50:03.040 --> 50:08.040]  They just opened up fire on a peaceful group of people that were sitting on the ground oming
[50:08.040 --> 50:11.040]  And they still didn't get attacked
[50:11.040 --> 50:17.040]  And these big bad guys, when they were backing out of there, they were in military formation
[50:17.040 --> 50:21.040]  And there was one guy, just some hippie guy
[50:21.040 --> 50:28.040]  And one of these guys in full riot gear with his pepper spray gun, with his gun
[50:28.040 --> 50:32.040]  Came right up at him and the guy just stood there and stared him down
[50:32.040 --> 50:36.040]  And then the guy backs away like a little whipped pup
[50:36.040 --> 50:47.040]  I know, like these very well armed, highly trained federal agents are like terrified of these unarmed hippies
[50:47.040 --> 50:50.040]  What is the deal? And so then they shot him
[50:50.040 --> 50:52.040]  They shot him with pepper spray, unbelievable
[50:52.040 --> 50:59.040]  And nothing they could do could get these guys to attack them, I thought that was incredible
[50:59.040 --> 51:04.040]  Yeah, it was pretty sad really, I mean I watched some videos of some people going down from pepper spray
[51:04.040 --> 51:07.040]  I was there, I didn't witness the event
[51:07.040 --> 51:13.040]  But we were actually broadcasting, I had my satellite phone out there that I had rented for the event
[51:13.040 --> 51:17.040]  Because I knew they were going to pull something and I wanted to be there
[51:17.040 --> 51:22.040]  And I was broadcasting live, I called into my own show with the satellite phone
[51:22.040 --> 51:31.040]  And I was there interviewing one of the members of the communications group of people
[51:31.040 --> 51:35.040]  Who handled communications around the rainbow, all right
[51:35.040 --> 51:41.040]  And so I was interviewing Rob and then he's got his scanner in one ear
[51:41.040 --> 51:44.040]  And he's talking on the satellite phone the other ear on the air
[51:44.040 --> 51:48.040]  And he said, oh I hear a riot, I hear something about pepper spraying at Kitty Village, I got to go
[51:48.040 --> 51:55.040]  So we went with Rob down to the main circle which was about three miles down the mountain trail
[51:55.040 --> 51:59.040]  And so we got there about half hour, 45 minutes later, we were running as fast as we could
[51:59.040 --> 52:03.040]  And I interviewed several people who had been shot
[52:03.040 --> 52:06.040]  I saw the wounds, I saw the kids who had been shot
[52:06.040 --> 52:12.040]  Or some of the kids that had been shot and everything and it was just complete pandemonium
[52:12.040 --> 52:15.040]  And it was very upsetting to see this out there
[52:15.040 --> 52:18.040]  The video is very disturbing
[52:18.040 --> 52:21.040]  Yeah and you can go back and listen to the archive of that show
[52:21.040 --> 52:25.040]  That was June 3rd, I'm sorry, July 3rd
[52:25.040 --> 52:34.040]  They always pull something on July 3rd because the big celebration is the 4th of July at the rainbow
[52:34.040 --> 52:38.040]  Celebrate freedom and praying for peace
[52:38.040 --> 52:42.040]  And so that's the big day and of course for everyone it's the big day
[52:42.040 --> 52:46.040]  So the feds, they don't want to be out there on the 4th of July trying to harass hippies
[52:46.040 --> 52:48.040]  They want to be home cooking barbecue with their families
[52:48.040 --> 52:52.040]  And so they always pull some crap on the 3rd
[52:52.040 --> 52:55.040]  Because they're most likely not going to be around the next day
[52:55.040 --> 52:57.040]  So they got to round everybody up or whatever
[52:57.040 --> 53:03.040]  And so go back, go to WTPRN.com, that was when we were on WTPRN
[53:03.040 --> 53:07.040]  And pull the archive from July 3rd, I was broadcasting live
[53:07.040 --> 53:15.040]  When it happened and I interviewed people, Randy and I interviewed people who had been shot on the air
[53:15.040 --> 53:18.040]  Right after it happened and I got all their names and everything
[53:18.040 --> 53:20.040]  And we're going to be doing something about it
[53:20.040 --> 53:23.040]  I wish I'd been able to do something about it a lot sooner
[53:23.040 --> 53:28.040]  But I just haven't been able to because I got involved with the election and being a delegate
[53:28.040 --> 53:31.040]  And then we switched radio networks and all that stuff
[53:31.040 --> 53:36.040]  But Brian Michaels, who's an attorney, he's taking this into the civil courts
[53:36.040 --> 53:41.040]  And he's filed some complaints with the Inspector General apparently
[53:41.040 --> 53:43.040]  And so we're going to be talking about that on Friday
[53:43.040 --> 53:49.040]  This Friday Attorney Brian Michaels will be on 8pm and we're going to be discussing the situation
[53:49.040 --> 53:54.040]  Yes, we also got to interview an FBI agent on the air
[53:54.040 --> 53:56.040]  Oh God, that was so funny
[53:56.040 --> 54:02.040]  Randy calls the FBI on the air right before I called in that night
[54:02.040 --> 54:10.040]  And telling them what was going on because I had witnessed Feds in fatigues breaking out in military formation
[54:10.040 --> 54:19.040]  Combing one of the Meadows and grabbing hippies that were swimming in the river
[54:19.040 --> 54:25.040]  Just taking a dip in the river and wanting to go through their tents and all this kind of nonsense
[54:25.040 --> 54:27.040]  And wanting to search everybody
[54:27.040 --> 54:30.040]  And it's like, leave us alone, okay?
[54:30.040 --> 54:33.040]  Get a life already, give me a break
[54:33.040 --> 54:45.040]  So Randy called an FBI agent on the air to tell him that there were these rogue forestry agents out in military formations
[54:45.040 --> 54:49.040]  Sticking guns in people's faces out in the woods
[54:49.040 --> 54:54.040]  And totally bushwhacked this guy, he didn't know he was on the air, that was hilarious
[54:54.040 --> 54:58.040]  So that was a really good way to start the show
[54:58.040 --> 55:01.040]  But at any rate, that is this Friday
[55:01.040 --> 55:03.040]  So I'll be posting a notice about that
[55:03.040 --> 55:05.040]  Get all your friends to listen
[55:05.040 --> 55:07.040]  This is going to be one you don't want to forget
[55:07.040 --> 55:09.040]  Because we're gearing up, rainbows coming again
[55:09.040 --> 55:11.040]  It's every 4th of July
[55:11.040 --> 55:13.040]  This year it's going to be in New Mexico
[55:13.040 --> 55:16.040]  And of course they never release the exact location
[55:16.040 --> 55:23.040]  Nobody ever knows what the exact location is until shortly before
[55:23.040 --> 55:29.040]  Because we don't want the Feds all set up there waiting for us when we get there
[55:29.040 --> 55:32.040]  At any rate, we're going to go to some calls now
[55:32.040 --> 55:34.040]  We're going to go to Ronnie in Texas
[55:34.040 --> 55:36.040]  The call is, we're opening the phone lines now
[55:36.040 --> 55:41.040]  We'd like to call in 512-646-1984
[55:41.040 --> 55:43.040]  Alright, we're opening up the phone lines
[55:43.040 --> 55:44.040]  This is Ronnie in Texas
[55:44.040 --> 55:47.040]  Hey Ronnie, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[55:47.040 --> 55:56.040]  Hi there, well one I want to proudly say that I took part in a protest here in Austin on Halloween about those vampire cops
[55:56.040 --> 55:58.040]  The vampire cops, yeah
[55:58.040 --> 56:01.040]  Yeah, so this has, you know, been going on for a little while
[56:01.040 --> 56:03.040]  But it's really bothersome
[56:03.040 --> 56:05.040]  And it's, you know, like you were saying
[56:05.040 --> 56:07.040]  It's inherently unhealthy
[56:07.040 --> 56:09.040]  These cops are not trained to do that
[56:09.040 --> 56:11.040]  To do blood work or anything
[56:11.040 --> 56:13.040]  And it's not only unconstitutional
[56:13.040 --> 56:15.040]  And, you know, unhealthy
[56:15.040 --> 56:18.040]  And unwise on down the line
[56:18.040 --> 56:23.040]  Well and Ronnie, it wouldn't matter even if they were properly medically trained to do it
[56:23.040 --> 56:26.040]  It's illegal for them to do it no matter what
[56:26.040 --> 56:32.040]  Yeah, and it was surprising to me to find out that the primary reason they're doing this
[56:32.040 --> 56:37.040]  Is because the hospitals and the medical professionals are refusing to do it
[56:37.040 --> 56:38.040]  Right
[56:38.040 --> 56:42.040]  Because it's creating potential litigation for them that they don't want anything to do with it
[56:42.040 --> 56:45.040]  Yes, because it's illegal, that's why, and they know it
[56:45.040 --> 56:47.040]  So the hospitals don't want to do it anymore
[56:47.040 --> 56:53.040]  And they don't want to bring, the nurses and the phlebotomists don't want to go into the jails to do it anymore
[56:53.040 --> 56:55.040]  Because they don't want to get sued
[56:55.040 --> 57:00.040]  And it's also, Randy and Ronnie, because of cha-ching
[57:00.040 --> 57:03.040]  Big federal money
[57:03.040 --> 57:08.040]  And like I said, I want to know where the law is that authorizes the police chief to take federal money
[57:08.040 --> 57:12.040]  Because if he takes it from anyone else or anywhere else, it's called bribery
[57:12.040 --> 57:13.040]  Alright
[57:13.040 --> 57:14.040]  Yeah
[57:14.040 --> 57:18.040]  Well that's what I understand is that they are actually being paid off to do this
[57:18.040 --> 57:19.040]  Yeah
[57:19.040 --> 57:21.040]  Well of course, somebody's got to fund this
[57:21.040 --> 57:27.040]  Well it may be interesting to charge the chief of police with accepting bribe money
[57:27.040 --> 57:28.040]  I know
[57:28.040 --> 57:30.040]  Yeah, that's a step
[57:30.040 --> 57:34.040]  And you know, and the thing is, I don't want to demonize the cop on the beat about this
[57:34.040 --> 57:38.040]  Because I tell you what, if I was a cop, I wouldn't want to do it
[57:38.040 --> 57:43.040]  Alright, and I have a feeling that for the low man on the totem pole, the cop on the street
[57:43.040 --> 57:48.040]  I seriously doubt that he wants to do it
[57:48.040 --> 57:51.040]  Okay, or she
[57:51.040 --> 57:54.040]  It's going to be just another thing that they're going to have to do
[57:54.040 --> 57:56.040]  That they know that the public isn't going to like
[57:56.040 --> 58:00.040]  But they're going to have to do it anyway because the boss told them to do it
[58:00.040 --> 58:04.040]  So I don't really demonize the police officer for this
[58:04.040 --> 58:07.040]  This is the police chief, okay?
[58:07.040 --> 58:13.040]  This is about people in high places taking big money to make a database
[58:13.040 --> 58:16.040]  To build a database of people's blood, and I'm not going to put up with this
[58:16.040 --> 58:20.040]  Alright, Ronnie, if you want to hold on the line, we'll take some more comments from you on the other side
[58:20.040 --> 58:24.040]  We've got Paula, Jerry, and Marcus will be taking your calls on the other side
[58:24.040 --> 58:28.040]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[58:28.040 --> 58:57.040]  We're at the top of the hour, we've got one more hour to go
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[01:00:19.040 --> 01:00:22.040]  Come on, people
[01:00:49.040 --> 01:00:53.040]  Alright, that one goes out to Randy in Texas, of course
[01:00:53.040 --> 01:00:56.040]  Get your dog out of my yard
[01:00:56.040 --> 01:00:59.040]  Okay, so we're going to continue on
[01:00:59.040 --> 01:01:03.040]  Alright, we are speaking with Ronnie in Texas right now
[01:01:03.040 --> 01:01:06.040]  So, Ronnie, what are your thoughts on this matter?
[01:01:06.040 --> 01:01:07.040]  Well, um
[01:01:07.040 --> 01:01:11.040]  The first question is, what are your thoughts on this matter?
[01:01:11.040 --> 01:01:19.040]  We're speaking with Ronnie in Texas right now, so, Ronnie, what are your thoughts on this matter?
[01:01:19.040 --> 01:01:21.040]  The cops and the blood and all that
[01:01:21.040 --> 01:01:28.040]  Yeah, of course, I'm actually, I feel like I'm a friend of those little little cops
[01:01:28.040 --> 01:01:30.040]  They've been literally saving my life
[01:01:30.040 --> 01:01:37.040]  I protest regularly on the streets of Austin during Halloween, New Year's Eve, times like that
[01:01:37.040 --> 01:01:42.040]  And I've been campaigning for Dr. Paul for many years and against the war
[01:01:42.040 --> 01:01:47.040]  And for decriminalizing marijuana specifically, primarily those issues
[01:01:47.040 --> 01:01:51.040]  And they stand behind me and they help, like I said, save my life
[01:01:51.040 --> 01:01:55.040]  Just this last Halloween or this last New Year's Eve
[01:01:55.040 --> 01:02:03.040]  They protected me from some low-level Marine who was very offended by my peace sign
[01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:09.040]  And he followed me down the street and I just had to ask the cops, you know, look out, this guy's going to hurt me
[01:02:09.040 --> 01:02:11.040]  And they stopped him
[01:02:11.040 --> 01:02:16.040]  They let, you know, so it is the low-level cops that are, they are our friends
[01:02:16.040 --> 01:02:19.040]  It's the so-called leadership or the schemership
[01:02:19.040 --> 01:02:21.040]  I am really glad to hear you say that
[01:02:21.040 --> 01:02:23.040]  Yeah, I'm really glad to hear you say that too
[01:02:23.040 --> 01:02:26.040]  And that jives with my experience, me and Randy's
[01:02:26.040 --> 01:02:32.040]  And when we were in New York, I guess it was a year and a half or so ago
[01:02:32.040 --> 01:02:35.040]  For the 9-11, for ground zero
[01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:41.040]  And I'll tell you what, the New York police were totally protecting the people who were there
[01:02:41.040 --> 01:02:43.040]  I wouldn't say we were protesting
[01:02:43.040 --> 01:02:47.040]  We were there for vigil and also demonstration and to talk to people and give information
[01:02:47.040 --> 01:02:53.040]  And any hecklers that came around or people trying to give us a hard time, the 9-11 truthers
[01:02:53.040 --> 01:02:55.040]  The cops ran them off, big time
[01:02:55.040 --> 01:02:59.040]  So I'm really glad to hear you say that, that you've had that experience here in Austin
[01:02:59.040 --> 01:03:03.040]  Yeah, we thought at first that they were restricting us
[01:03:03.040 --> 01:03:06.040]  And then they cordoned us off
[01:03:06.040 --> 01:03:12.040]  Because at ground zero, right next to the path where the towers were
[01:03:12.040 --> 01:03:14.040]  There's the path, the subway
[01:03:14.040 --> 01:03:15.040]  The train station
[01:03:15.040 --> 01:03:17.040]  And it's real busy, so they cordoned us off
[01:03:17.040 --> 01:03:22.040]  And we had this one guy who was arguing with the captain, and it's a female captain
[01:03:22.040 --> 01:03:24.040]  And he is really in her face
[01:03:24.040 --> 01:03:27.040]  And she had been there for like 18 hours
[01:03:27.040 --> 01:03:30.040]  And this guy is really arguing with her
[01:03:30.040 --> 01:03:35.040]  And I'm watching this thinking, holy crap, I'm surprised he's not in jail already
[01:03:35.040 --> 01:03:38.040]  Yes, see, what that was all about is that we had been there
[01:03:38.040 --> 01:03:42.040]  People had started arriving at 7 a.m. earlier even
[01:03:42.040 --> 01:03:46.040]  And we had been there all day, and it was like 4.30
[01:03:46.040 --> 01:03:48.040]  And it was getting to be rush hour
[01:03:48.040 --> 01:03:53.040]  And so everyone was spilling out of the cities to the path, to the train station
[01:03:53.040 --> 01:03:57.040]  Where it goes under the river to New Jersey
[01:03:57.040 --> 01:04:01.040]  And see, where we were, it wasn't even public property
[01:04:01.040 --> 01:04:04.040]  It wasn't city property, it wasn't the sidewalk
[01:04:04.040 --> 01:04:08.040]  It was private property, it was property owned by the path, the train station
[01:04:08.040 --> 01:04:10.040]  Which isn't owned by the city
[01:04:10.040 --> 01:04:14.040]  So we didn't even have a right, quote unquote, to be there
[01:04:14.040 --> 01:04:16.040]  Because it was private property
[01:04:16.040 --> 01:04:20.040]  But the path was letting us do it, and the cops were assisting and protecting us
[01:04:20.040 --> 01:04:24.040]  And what was happening was that as people would speak, all right
[01:04:24.040 --> 01:04:27.040]  Crowds would start gathering to listen to the truthers
[01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:30.040]  It happened to Randy, it happened to me, it happened to a bunch of other people
[01:04:30.040 --> 01:04:33.040]  As we would talk, more and more people would start crowding around
[01:04:33.040 --> 01:04:35.040]  And so the crowd would get bigger and bigger
[01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:39.040]  And it would get to the point where there were so many people gathered around
[01:04:39.040 --> 01:04:41.040]  Listening to the truthers speak
[01:04:41.040 --> 01:04:47.040]  That people couldn't get down the stairway to get into the train station
[01:04:47.040 --> 01:04:50.040]  And so that's when the police, they just took a ribbon
[01:04:50.040 --> 01:04:54.040]  And all they did was they wrapped it around some poles that were already there
[01:04:54.040 --> 01:04:58.040]  Just to say, look, people, if you want to listen to these people speak
[01:04:58.040 --> 01:05:00.040]  You got to get on this side of the ribbon
[01:05:00.040 --> 01:05:05.040]  Because we have to leave at least 10 feet or so for people to get in and out of the train station
[01:05:05.040 --> 01:05:08.040]  That's reasonable, besides it's private property anyway
[01:05:08.040 --> 01:05:11.040]  And this guy was totally giving this cop a hard time
[01:05:11.040 --> 01:05:14.040]  Because they were putting the tape up and saying, oh, you're trying to offend us
[01:05:14.040 --> 01:05:19.040]  It's like, look, dude, you need to chill out because sometimes the cops really are on our side
[01:05:19.040 --> 01:05:23.040]  And this one was, he was, I guess typical New Yorkers, they like to argue
[01:05:23.040 --> 01:05:26.040]  But he was really getting in her face
[01:05:26.040 --> 01:05:29.040]  And I walked up and stepped between them and put my back to this guy
[01:05:29.040 --> 01:05:34.040]  And told the captain, I'm sorry, this guy's really crazy in this
[01:05:34.040 --> 01:05:36.040]  And he's a little excited
[01:05:36.040 --> 01:05:40.040]  And I understand that and she's being real accommodating
[01:05:40.040 --> 01:05:42.040]  More so than I would have imagined
[01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:44.040]  Right
[01:05:44.040 --> 01:05:47.040]  And I turned to this guy, he kind of got calmed down
[01:05:47.040 --> 01:05:52.040]  But then I had two people, three people come up to me
[01:05:52.040 --> 01:05:54.040]  Two, they were from France
[01:05:54.040 --> 01:05:57.040]  And I had, 9-11 was an inside job
[01:05:57.040 --> 01:06:00.040]  Well, Deborah's the expert
[01:06:00.040 --> 01:06:03.040]  And they asked me what that was about and I couldn't find Deborah
[01:06:03.040 --> 01:06:05.040]  So I'm trying to hold them there
[01:06:05.040 --> 01:06:07.040]  And finally I see Deborah and get her over there
[01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:09.040]  And she starts talking to him about it
[01:06:09.040 --> 01:06:13.040]  And in a little while she is really going off
[01:06:13.040 --> 01:06:17.040]  She's got about 100 people out there
[01:06:17.040 --> 01:06:20.040]  And then the cops start kind of closing in
[01:06:20.040 --> 01:06:22.040]  And I'm thinking, oh boy, this is going to be a problem
[01:06:22.040 --> 01:06:24.040]  They just want to listen
[01:06:24.040 --> 01:06:27.040]  Well, then I backed up and I'm holding an umbrella
[01:06:27.040 --> 01:06:30.040]  Because it's kind of a little misty rain
[01:06:30.040 --> 01:06:34.040]  And she starts going off on Silverstein
[01:06:34.040 --> 01:06:37.040]  The guy that owned the buildings
[01:06:37.040 --> 01:06:39.040]  And she's going off on Silverstein
[01:06:39.040 --> 01:06:40.040]  And I'm looking out there
[01:06:40.040 --> 01:06:43.040]  And the cops are high-fiving her
[01:06:43.040 --> 01:06:45.040]  And giving her thumbs up
[01:06:45.040 --> 01:06:46.040]  All right
[01:06:46.040 --> 01:06:50.040]  Yeah, so they really are on our side a lot of the times
[01:06:50.040 --> 01:06:57.040]  I mean, the motorcycle police in New York guarded the procession
[01:06:57.040 --> 01:07:03.040]  There was a march from Building 7 to the towers
[01:07:03.040 --> 01:07:07.040]  And they had lined off
[01:07:07.040 --> 01:07:11.040]  The motorcycle cops were escorting the protest march
[01:07:11.040 --> 01:07:13.040]  So yeah, it was a good scene
[01:07:13.040 --> 01:07:17.040]  So Ronnie, I'm sorry, we went off on our own stories here
[01:07:17.040 --> 01:07:20.040]  Continue on with your point
[01:07:20.040 --> 01:07:23.040]  Well, you're really singing my song here
[01:07:23.040 --> 01:07:28.040]  Because it's reminding me of these great police officers
[01:07:28.040 --> 01:07:30.040]  Who, like I said, have been doing this for years
[01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:34.040]  And I choose to go on 6th Street, which is kind of rowdy
[01:07:34.040 --> 01:07:38.040]  You know, people are getting drunk and drunker and drunker and drunker
[01:07:38.040 --> 01:07:39.040]  As the night goes on
[01:07:39.040 --> 01:07:41.040]  But I stand there with my signs
[01:07:41.040 --> 01:07:43.040]  And they at least have to read my signs
[01:07:43.040 --> 01:07:47.040]  And some of them react, you know, and they're hostile to me
[01:07:47.040 --> 01:07:49.040]  And of course people disagree, that's fine
[01:07:49.040 --> 01:07:52.040]  But these police officers, some of them are undercover cops
[01:07:52.040 --> 01:07:57.040]  They kind of, without me knowing it, they're there to kind of protect me
[01:07:57.040 --> 01:08:02.040]  When somebody starts literally manhandling me or my signs
[01:08:02.040 --> 01:08:06.040]  They jump right in and they stop it from happening
[01:08:06.040 --> 01:08:09.040]  And so, you know, I don't ask for their help
[01:08:09.040 --> 01:08:11.040]  Or I don't even see them usually
[01:08:11.040 --> 01:08:15.040]  But when some drunk idiot starts hassling me
[01:08:15.040 --> 01:08:18.040]  Or tries to tear my signs up because they don't agree
[01:08:18.040 --> 01:08:21.040]  You know, about the war or whatever, or about Dr. Paul
[01:08:21.040 --> 01:08:26.040]  I've gotten just, it's like a private protection
[01:08:26.040 --> 01:08:29.040]  As a citizen, as a political person
[01:08:29.040 --> 01:08:33.040]  They've gotten used to me or they, you know
[01:08:33.040 --> 01:08:36.040]  And they're in effect on my side
[01:08:36.040 --> 01:08:40.040]  Not on my side politically, but as a protesting citizen
[01:08:40.040 --> 01:08:45.040]  That has the right to speak and express my political views to these people
[01:08:45.040 --> 01:08:47.040]  They're on our side
[01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:52.040]  And I'm really, really proud to say that, you know, I've been treated very well by the officers
[01:08:52.040 --> 01:08:53.040]  That's awesome
[01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:58.040]  There are problems out here with police, but there are very few
[01:08:58.040 --> 01:09:02.040]  I don't get people calling in to me saying, oh, this cop stopped me
[01:09:02.040 --> 01:09:06.040]  And he was polite and he was professional
[01:09:06.040 --> 01:09:08.040]  You don't hear that stuff
[01:09:08.040 --> 01:09:11.040]  All the ones who do that, you never hear about it
[01:09:11.040 --> 01:09:17.040]  Two or three percent who were drawn to police work for reasons
[01:09:17.040 --> 01:09:20.040]  That should keep them out of police work
[01:09:20.040 --> 01:09:22.040]  Make it look bad for the rest of them
[01:09:22.040 --> 01:09:29.040]  Yeah, you only hear about stuff like that from Williamson County
[01:09:29.040 --> 01:09:34.040]  How many policemen, of all the people who know policemen personally
[01:09:34.040 --> 01:09:38.040]  How many of those guys want to be thought of as jackbooted thugs?
[01:09:38.040 --> 01:09:43.040]  I know a number of them and all of them want to, they want to be the good guys
[01:09:43.040 --> 01:09:47.040]  They're trapped in a system they did not create
[01:09:47.040 --> 01:09:50.040]  And they're inside it, can't fix it
[01:09:50.040 --> 01:09:52.040]  It's up to us to fix it
[01:09:52.040 --> 01:09:54.040]  So what else do you have for us, Ronnie?
[01:09:54.040 --> 01:09:57.040]  When I ran for office in the year 2000, I ran for Congress
[01:09:57.040 --> 01:09:59.040]  And I was running as a Republican
[01:09:59.040 --> 01:10:05.040]  And as it turned out, that particular cycle, two of the other Republican candidates
[01:10:05.040 --> 01:10:09.040]  We formed a little pact that we'd travel around to one group to another and make speeches
[01:10:09.040 --> 01:10:13.040]  Out of all those fellow Republicans who were running for office
[01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:19.040]  It was those two cops that were my, you know, I'm a marijuana act
[01:10:19.040 --> 01:10:23.040]  My name being Ronnie Reese, you know
[01:10:23.040 --> 01:10:28.040]  But they were, it was the cops who were my best friends
[01:10:28.040 --> 01:10:33.040]  We became kind of back slapping buddies after these several experiences
[01:10:33.040 --> 01:10:39.040]  So again, my experience with the Austin police has been entirely positive
[01:10:39.040 --> 01:10:42.040]  Except for speeding tickets every now and then or something like that
[01:10:42.040 --> 01:10:48.040]  But they are truly statesmen in their own way
[01:10:48.040 --> 01:10:50.040]  They're doing their jobs as best they can
[01:10:50.040 --> 01:10:56.040]  And even the ones who ran for office that I had contact with, they were friendly
[01:10:56.040 --> 01:11:00.040]  And they were my best friends among all of the other Republican candidates
[01:11:00.040 --> 01:11:02.040]  Well, that's good to hear it
[01:11:02.040 --> 01:11:05.040]  Yeah, I just wanted to share that way with you guys
[01:11:05.040 --> 01:11:08.040]  All right, well thank you so much, Ronnie, we appreciate that
[01:11:08.040 --> 01:11:10.040]  Thank you for being here
[01:11:10.040 --> 01:11:14.040]  Yeah, there is really only one jackbooted thug out there
[01:11:14.040 --> 01:11:16.040]  And I ran into him a couple of weeks ago
[01:11:16.040 --> 01:11:19.040]  Oh, okay, I thought you were talking about the police chief
[01:11:19.040 --> 01:11:22.040]  No, he's just a politician
[01:11:22.040 --> 01:11:25.040]  I'll take a jackbooted thug any day
[01:11:25.040 --> 01:11:27.040]  Okay, well we're going to move on now
[01:11:27.040 --> 01:11:30.040]  We're going to go to Paula in Texas
[01:11:30.040 --> 01:11:33.040]  Hey Paula, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:11:33.040 --> 01:11:38.040]  Yes, I wanted to comment on police doing the blood test
[01:11:38.040 --> 01:11:39.040]  Yes, please
[01:11:39.040 --> 01:11:42.040]  I agree, everything that y'all have said I agree with
[01:11:42.040 --> 01:11:46.040]  I think it's illegal putting a burden on them
[01:11:46.040 --> 01:11:49.040]  And you're taking such a liability
[01:11:49.040 --> 01:11:53.040]  Somebody could beat her and be drunk or whatever
[01:11:53.040 --> 01:11:58.040]  And then if they bleed to death or, you know, it's just dangerous for them to get involved in
[01:11:58.040 --> 01:12:05.040]  I don't think that was in the specifications of their job description when they were hired
[01:12:05.040 --> 01:12:07.040]  And it's just one more burden
[01:12:07.040 --> 01:12:10.040]  It's kind of like every time there's something new that pops up
[01:12:10.040 --> 01:12:13.040]  The lottery tickets, you know, at the convenience store
[01:12:13.040 --> 01:12:17.040]  They take care of the store, you know, mine the money
[01:12:17.040 --> 01:12:20.040]  And they also sell everything that comes along
[01:12:20.040 --> 01:12:24.040]  And it gives to be a lot of stuff and very time consuming
[01:12:24.040 --> 01:12:27.040]  We want our officers, I think, to do a really good job
[01:12:27.040 --> 01:12:32.040]  But that doesn't seem to be, you know, I just think it's ridiculous
[01:12:32.040 --> 01:12:40.040]  This creates a level of potential liability on the individual officer that is absolutely unacceptable
[01:12:40.040 --> 01:12:44.040]  It's uncalled for, it's unacceptable, it's unnecessary
[01:12:44.040 --> 01:12:46.040]  And you're absolutely right, Paula
[01:12:46.040 --> 01:12:48.040]  It puts a huge burden on the officer
[01:12:48.040 --> 01:12:50.040]  It puts the liability on the officer
[01:12:50.040 --> 01:12:54.040]  It puts the officer at grave risk
[01:12:54.040 --> 01:12:55.040]  Yeah
[01:12:55.040 --> 01:12:58.040]  What if he takes blood from me
[01:12:58.040 --> 01:13:04.040]  And three months from now I find I'm HIV positive
[01:13:04.040 --> 01:13:05.040]  Exactly
[01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:07.040]  I'm going to blame him
[01:13:07.040 --> 01:13:08.040]  Right
[01:13:08.040 --> 01:13:10.040]  And how is he going to prove he didn't do it?
[01:13:10.040 --> 01:13:16.040]  Also, you know, taking blood sounds simple, but in a lot of cases it's really not
[01:13:16.040 --> 01:13:19.040]  I mean, even if they're saying, well, it's just going to be a pinprick
[01:13:19.040 --> 01:13:21.040]  Here again, if you have a free bleeder
[01:13:21.040 --> 01:13:25.040]  And sometimes people have other issues
[01:13:25.040 --> 01:13:28.040]  I just can't stand getting involved in that
[01:13:28.040 --> 01:13:31.040]  It's just over the top in my opinion
[01:13:31.040 --> 01:13:34.040]  And the cost involved and taking it to court
[01:13:34.040 --> 01:13:40.040]  You know, I think that we ought to educate people and the officers to keep people out of jail
[01:13:40.040 --> 01:13:46.040]  And be more positive instead of coming up with more laws, more things like this
[01:13:46.040 --> 01:13:51.040]  And I think the police chief should be, definitely this should be brought up to his face
[01:13:51.040 --> 01:13:53.040]  And I think that's a good thing
[01:13:53.040 --> 01:13:55.040]  You were saying there's going to be some kind of meeting?
[01:13:55.040 --> 01:13:58.040]  Yes, at City Council, City Hall
[01:13:58.040 --> 01:14:04.040]  That's on Cesar Chavez at, I believe it turns into Guadalupe
[01:14:04.040 --> 01:14:06.040]  Right, when South First crosses the river
[01:14:06.040 --> 01:14:08.040]  It's right at Cesar Chavez at Guadalupe
[01:14:08.040 --> 01:14:11.040]  There's a parking garage underneath now, brand new City Hall
[01:14:11.040 --> 01:14:13.040]  They just, well, brand new
[01:14:13.040 --> 01:14:16.040]  I guess it's been about a year or so that they've been there
[01:14:16.040 --> 01:14:18.040]  So there'll be plenty of parking
[01:14:18.040 --> 01:14:21.040]  I'm not sure if you have to pay after hours or not, but it doesn't matter
[01:14:21.040 --> 01:14:23.040]  This is too important
[01:14:23.040 --> 01:14:25.040]  All right, we need to throng the place
[01:14:25.040 --> 01:14:29.040]  It's at City Hall, City Council chambers, Monday, March 30th
[01:14:29.040 --> 01:14:31.040]  It starts at 6 p.m.
[01:14:31.040 --> 01:14:32.040]  And we're going to be broadcasting there
[01:14:32.040 --> 01:14:35.040]  We're going to have a table set up outside the chambers
[01:14:35.040 --> 01:14:38.040]  We can't broadcast inside the chambers, of course
[01:14:38.040 --> 01:14:40.040]  But we're going to have the microphone
[01:14:40.040 --> 01:14:42.040]  We worked it out with the sound guy
[01:14:42.040 --> 01:14:43.040]  They're going to feed the audio to us
[01:14:43.040 --> 01:14:45.040]  We're going to set up our own mic at the podium
[01:14:45.040 --> 01:14:49.040]  So everything that everybody says from the public to the police chief
[01:14:49.040 --> 01:14:51.040]  Whoever is going to go out live on the air
[01:14:51.040 --> 01:14:53.040]  So be there
[01:14:53.040 --> 01:14:54.040]  We need bodies
[01:14:54.040 --> 01:14:57.040]  We need people to show up and get on the mic
[01:14:57.040 --> 01:15:00.040]  When you get there, generally these public hearings, you have to sign up
[01:15:00.040 --> 01:15:04.040]  When you arrive, if you want to be a speaker, you fill out a little card
[01:15:04.040 --> 01:15:07.040]  So we need as many people getting up on the mic as possible, voicing their opinion
[01:15:07.040 --> 01:15:10.040]  Generally there's like a two-minute limit
[01:15:10.040 --> 01:15:12.040]  So think about what you're going to say
[01:15:12.040 --> 01:15:13.040]  Write it down
[01:15:13.040 --> 01:15:15.040]  Bring it up there to the podium with you
[01:15:15.040 --> 01:15:17.040]  That's what most people do
[01:15:17.040 --> 01:15:19.040]  We all are doing a great job
[01:15:19.040 --> 01:15:20.040]  I appreciate the service
[01:15:20.040 --> 01:15:23.040]  And I hope that a lot of people will support this
[01:15:23.040 --> 01:15:26.040]  And the fact is that with just a little bit of effort
[01:15:26.040 --> 01:15:32.040]  Everybody can help change things and stop things that we don't want to come into effect
[01:15:32.040 --> 01:15:33.040]  You know, after the fact
[01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:35.040]  It's much better to stop it up front
[01:15:35.040 --> 01:15:37.040]  Yes
[01:15:37.040 --> 01:15:40.040]  A lot easier, a lot less expensive
[01:15:40.040 --> 01:15:41.040]  That's correct
[01:15:41.040 --> 01:15:43.040]  Thank you
[01:15:43.040 --> 01:15:44.040]  Absolutely
[01:15:44.040 --> 01:15:46.040]  All right, thank you for calling in, Paula
[01:15:46.040 --> 01:15:47.040]  Thank you
[01:15:47.040 --> 01:15:49.040]  All right, hope we see you on March 30th
[01:15:49.040 --> 01:15:50.040]  Okay, thanks a lot
[01:15:50.040 --> 01:15:54.040]  All right, it's March 30th, it's 6 p.m., people
[01:15:54.040 --> 01:15:58.040]  Okay, we are now going to go to our next caller
[01:15:58.040 --> 01:16:04.040]  Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984
[01:16:04.040 --> 01:16:06.040]  We're continuing on
[01:16:06.040 --> 01:16:10.040]  We're going to go now to Jerry in Michigan, I believe
[01:16:10.040 --> 01:16:11.040]  Is that right?
[01:16:11.040 --> 01:16:12.040]  That's right, it's right
[01:16:12.040 --> 01:16:14.040]  All right, Jerry in Michigan
[01:16:14.040 --> 01:16:16.040]  What do you got for us tonight?
[01:16:16.040 --> 01:16:18.040]  Thank you very much for taking my call
[01:16:18.040 --> 01:16:19.040]  Sure
[01:16:19.040 --> 01:16:24.040]  I've heard that the...
[01:16:24.040 --> 01:16:26.040]  Can you speak up a little bit more, Jerry?
[01:16:26.040 --> 01:16:27.040]  Yes, I can
[01:16:27.040 --> 01:16:29.040]  Okay, that's much better, thank you
[01:16:29.040 --> 01:16:31.040]  Actually, can you hold on?
[01:16:31.040 --> 01:16:33.040]  We're going to break
[01:16:33.040 --> 01:16:35.040]  Okay, sorry about that
[01:16:35.040 --> 01:16:36.040]  We're right at the end of the segment
[01:16:36.040 --> 01:16:38.040]  But I wanted to go ahead and take your call before the break
[01:16:38.040 --> 01:16:40.040]  All right, Jerry, hang on
[01:16:40.040 --> 01:16:41.040]  We'll be right back
[01:16:41.040 --> 01:16:45.040]  This is the Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com
[01:16:45.040 --> 01:16:51.040]  Deborah Stevens here with Randy Kelton, Callers, 512-646-1984
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[01:18:04.040 --> 01:18:27.040]  Music
[01:18:34.040 --> 01:18:39.040]  You put the beer in my pocket, took the money from my hand
[01:18:39.040 --> 01:18:44.040]  Ain't gonna fool me with that same old trick again
[01:18:44.040 --> 01:19:04.040]  Music
[01:19:04.040 --> 01:19:08.040]  Ain't gonna drive me with that same old sucker punch
[01:19:08.040 --> 01:19:14.040]  I get it now but then I must have been out too much
[01:19:14.040 --> 01:19:19.040]  Back then you had room to move but now you're feeling the crime
[01:19:19.040 --> 01:19:24.040]  Ain't gonna get me with that same old sucker punch
[01:19:24.040 --> 01:19:31.040]  Music
[01:19:31.040 --> 01:19:35.040]  Alright, ain't gonna fool me with the same old tricks again
[01:19:35.040 --> 01:19:38.040]  Some Three Shoes Posse for you
[01:19:38.040 --> 01:19:41.040]  And we have a couple new songs
[01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:44.040]  Gonna play for you on Thursday
[01:19:44.040 --> 01:19:47.040]  We are talking right now to Jerry in Michigan
[01:19:47.040 --> 01:19:50.040]  Okay, so Jerry, go ahead
[01:19:50.040 --> 01:19:53.040]  Okay, thank you for taking my call
[01:19:53.040 --> 01:19:54.040]  It's a great show you have
[01:19:54.040 --> 01:19:55.040]  Thank you
[01:19:55.040 --> 01:19:59.040]  I have a question about the term Esquire
[01:19:59.040 --> 01:20:07.040]  I heard on another program that by using Esquire after your name it could be actually illegal in the United States
[01:20:07.040 --> 01:20:09.040]  I have no idea if that's true
[01:20:09.040 --> 01:20:11.040]  I'd like Randy or you to comment on that
[01:20:11.040 --> 01:20:13.040]  And I just have two things
[01:20:13.040 --> 01:20:15.040]  That would be number one
[01:20:15.040 --> 01:20:20.040]  And for Randy, where will we find the new litigation engine when you get it up?
[01:20:20.040 --> 01:20:24.040]  And will it walk the novice through if it's working?
[01:20:24.040 --> 01:20:25.040]  No
[01:20:25.040 --> 01:20:26.040]  That's it
[01:20:26.040 --> 01:20:29.040]  Okay, okay, it won't
[01:20:29.040 --> 01:20:32.040]  It'll give you a questionnaire and you'll find it
[01:20:32.040 --> 01:20:36.040]  I'll set up a website for it called Rule of Law School
[01:20:36.040 --> 01:20:40.040]  Yeah, and there'll also be a link from Rule of Law Radio, of course
[01:20:40.040 --> 01:20:43.040]  Yeah, it will be a questionnaire
[01:20:43.040 --> 01:20:45.040]  You fill out the questionnaire
[01:20:45.040 --> 01:20:53.040]  And then it will prepare all of the documentation you would need to address an arrest in Texas
[01:20:53.040 --> 01:20:55.040]  Okay
[01:20:55.040 --> 01:20:57.040]  All kinds of great criminal complaints
[01:20:57.040 --> 01:21:01.040]  And this is legal, by the way, under what was it?
[01:21:01.040 --> 01:21:03.040]  NOLO Press
[01:21:03.040 --> 01:21:07.040]  NOLO Press, okay, where it was a court case where they were trying to
[01:21:07.040 --> 01:21:12.040]  The government was trying to prosecute NOLO Press for practicing law without a license
[01:21:12.040 --> 01:21:16.040]  There were a group of paralegals and they constructed a program and that's what we're doing
[01:21:16.040 --> 01:21:19.040]  We will never actually have hands-on
[01:21:19.040 --> 01:21:22.040]  Like we're not going to take people's information and prepare documents for them
[01:21:22.040 --> 01:21:24.040]  That's not what we're doing
[01:21:24.040 --> 01:21:29.040]  It's a program that's totally automated and you fill out a questionnaire
[01:21:29.040 --> 01:21:34.040]  And the program runs the information through the logic structure
[01:21:34.040 --> 01:21:38.040]  And then it will prepare PDF documents
[01:21:38.040 --> 01:21:41.040]  And it's actually for educational purposes only
[01:21:41.040 --> 01:21:46.040]  If this was your situation, if these are the answers to the questions
[01:21:46.040 --> 01:21:51.040]  And you needed to file documents in response, this is what the documents would look like
[01:21:51.040 --> 01:21:57.040]  These are the legal elements, the legal issues that are implicated
[01:21:57.040 --> 01:22:01.040]  This is purely where we'll be teaching people
[01:22:01.040 --> 01:22:09.040]  And even law school doesn't teach the attorneys how to prepare documents
[01:22:09.040 --> 01:22:17.040]  Westlaw and O'Connor's has blank forms
[01:22:17.040 --> 01:22:21.040]  And these would be essentially the blank forms
[01:22:21.040 --> 01:22:25.040]  All these forms are copyrighted and all of our documents will be copyrighted
[01:22:25.040 --> 01:22:27.040]  That's what NOLO Press won
[01:22:27.040 --> 01:22:36.040]  They were selling forms and the state bar tried to go after them for practicing law
[01:22:36.040 --> 01:22:39.040]  And they said, no, no, these are copyrighted documents
[01:22:39.040 --> 01:22:42.040]  And we can sell them if we want to
[01:22:42.040 --> 01:22:47.040]  Ours aren't going to be quite so blank, but we're not going to fill them out
[01:22:47.040 --> 01:22:49.040]  Yeah, that's the whole thing
[01:22:49.040 --> 01:22:50.040]  The computer fills them out
[01:22:50.040 --> 01:22:54.040]  Yeah, we're writing a program that's just going to automate the process
[01:22:54.040 --> 01:23:00.040]  Initially, when I first started up, I don't have the engine put together yet
[01:23:00.040 --> 01:23:02.040]  We're just going to do it with blank documents
[01:23:02.040 --> 01:23:08.040]  The document will have the elements indicated in it and you fill out all the details
[01:23:08.040 --> 01:23:13.040]  I think that will be harder on these guys who are getting these documents anyway
[01:23:13.040 --> 01:23:17.040]  Yeah, and actually, Randy, David and I may have the program finished
[01:23:17.040 --> 01:23:22.040]  I mean, we may be able to just launch so that we wouldn't have to go through that step of just posting the forms
[01:23:22.040 --> 01:23:26.040]  Well, I won't post the forms initially
[01:23:26.040 --> 01:23:29.040]  I'm not going to give this to everyone
[01:23:29.040 --> 01:23:32.040]  You're going to have to pay for it
[01:23:32.040 --> 01:23:33.040]  Well
[01:23:33.040 --> 01:23:34.040]  And there's a reason for that
[01:23:34.040 --> 01:23:39.040]  Because the reason is because Randy has spent 30 years of his life doing this
[01:23:39.040 --> 01:23:41.040]  and he deserves a little something on his work
[01:23:41.040 --> 01:23:42.040]  No, no, that's not the reason
[01:23:42.040 --> 01:23:43.040]  That is not the reason
[01:23:43.040 --> 01:23:44.040]  Well, that's the reason for me
[01:23:44.040 --> 01:23:50.040]  It's nice to have some financial return, but that is not the reason
[01:23:50.040 --> 01:23:54.040]  This is a debt I owe that I'm trying to pay back
[01:23:54.040 --> 01:23:59.040]  If I just give it to everybody, I'll have everybody out there taking these things
[01:23:59.040 --> 01:24:04.040]  and rewriting them and turn them into trash and filing them with the courts
[01:24:04.040 --> 01:24:07.040]  until the courts just simply ignore them for junk
[01:24:07.040 --> 01:24:08.040]  Yeah
[01:24:08.040 --> 01:24:16.040]  It's like the document I took to the Secretary of State to get an epistil on it
[01:24:16.040 --> 01:24:24.040]  I don't know who wrote this document, but they didn't want to put an epistil on it because it was Patriot stuff
[01:24:24.040 --> 01:24:28.040]  So? I asked them, well, what's wrong with the document?
[01:24:28.040 --> 01:24:31.040]  Oh, it's got these indicators in it
[01:24:31.040 --> 01:24:33.040]  I said, what does a document mean?
[01:24:33.040 --> 01:24:36.040]  Oh, it has these indicators in it
[01:24:36.040 --> 01:24:38.040]  I said, well, I read that document
[01:24:38.040 --> 01:24:42.040]  It's word salad, Bubba, it means nothing
[01:24:42.040 --> 01:24:45.040]  I read it, I can't make sense of it, can you make sense of it?
[01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:49.040]  They looked it over, I don't know, it was word salad
[01:24:49.040 --> 01:24:50.040]  Well, it doesn't matter
[01:24:50.040 --> 01:24:56.040]  There's no law that authorizes the clerk to refuse to take a document because she thinks it's Patriot oriented
[01:24:56.040 --> 01:25:01.040]  But I'm real concerned about people taking these and turn them into word salad
[01:25:01.040 --> 01:25:09.040]  Well, that's why the program is going to generate a PDF document that cannot be changed or copied and pasted to a text editor
[01:25:09.040 --> 01:25:14.040]  It will print out or you'll have the PDFs will be there, you cannot change them
[01:25:14.040 --> 01:25:21.040]  If you want to type them in word for word, keystroke by keystroke yourself and change them up, then that's what it will have to take
[01:25:21.040 --> 01:25:23.040]  So we're not going to give people word documents
[01:25:23.040 --> 01:25:29.040]  Eventually, we're going to have people out there who are going to turn these into trash
[01:25:29.040 --> 01:25:32.040]  And we've probably got government people out there who that's what they do
[01:25:32.040 --> 01:25:34.040]  Well, we're not going to make it easy for them is the point
[01:25:34.040 --> 01:25:35.040]  We're not going to make it easy for them
[01:25:35.040 --> 01:25:42.040]  And if someone pays for it, they'll have to have more interest
[01:25:42.040 --> 01:25:46.040]  Frankly, I cannot give it away
[01:25:46.040 --> 01:25:50.040]  If I do, nobody will give it any value
[01:25:50.040 --> 01:25:54.040]  Yeah, and what it's really going to be is an interactive web based program
[01:25:54.040 --> 01:26:00.040]  It's not going to be like an application that you would download and install as a program on your computer
[01:26:00.040 --> 01:26:02.040]  You will interact with the website
[01:26:02.040 --> 01:26:06.040]  You will log on, you'll pay and have by whatever means
[01:26:06.040 --> 01:26:09.040]  You know, I know a lot of people don't want to use credit cards and electronic payments
[01:26:09.040 --> 01:26:15.040]  So we'll set up things for if you want to mail medals, coins, money orders, cash, whatever
[01:26:15.040 --> 01:26:17.040]  Old TV tubes
[01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:22.040]  Well, yeah, at any rate, then you'll get a login to the questionnaire
[01:26:22.040 --> 01:26:29.040]  And then you input the information and then either sent by email or you could download directly
[01:26:29.040 --> 01:26:31.040]  You'll receive the PDF documents in that manner
[01:26:31.040 --> 01:26:32.040]  That's how it's going to be
[01:26:32.040 --> 01:26:37.040]  It's going to be an interactive web based program
[01:26:37.040 --> 01:26:39.040]  Something on a web server, not an application
[01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:54.040]  Right, we have about 90% of the, I'm sorry, the statistics go some 6% of the people do 80% of the crime
[01:26:54.040 --> 01:26:57.040]  I'm not interested in those people
[01:26:57.040 --> 01:27:03.040]  I'm interested in the guy who this is going to ruin his life, wreck his career
[01:27:03.040 --> 01:27:05.040]  This is important to him
[01:27:05.040 --> 01:27:08.040]  It's important enough to him that he'll do it right
[01:27:08.040 --> 01:27:11.040]  I'm trying to change Texas
[01:27:11.040 --> 01:27:17.040]  If we do it right and do it in earnest, we will change Texas quickly
[01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:19.040]  And we'll change other states too
[01:27:19.040 --> 01:27:21.040]  Yes, Texas is first
[01:27:21.040 --> 01:27:27.040]  And once we change Texas, the other states will fall off dominoes
[01:27:27.040 --> 01:27:35.040]  And you know, when I first started doing this, the thought of being able to change the whole state was really remote
[01:27:35.040 --> 01:27:43.040]  But as I get closer, it's kind of frustrating now that I look at it that it appears so simple
[01:27:43.040 --> 01:27:51.040]  You know, Debra just by kicking a county attorney in the behind really hard got Williamson County to change their policy
[01:27:51.040 --> 01:27:53.040]  And I didn't really have to do that much either
[01:27:53.040 --> 01:27:55.040]  Yeah, so it doesn't take much
[01:27:55.040 --> 01:28:01.040]  And what we're going to be doing is going after every single person they arrest
[01:28:01.040 --> 01:28:13.040]  And if we get one in 100 and they get 50 criminal complaints, they get bar grievances, judicial conduct complaints, T-closed complaints against the officers
[01:28:13.040 --> 01:28:15.040]  We start ruining careers
[01:28:15.040 --> 01:28:18.040]  We get criminal complaints against everybody
[01:28:18.040 --> 01:28:21.040]  I just figured out a new one today
[01:28:21.040 --> 01:28:24.040]  You just keep working on this and new stuff comes out
[01:28:24.040 --> 01:28:28.040]  Wow, and we have a ton of callers on the board, Ray. There's like 12 callers
[01:28:28.040 --> 01:28:30.040]  Jerry, do you have anything else for us?
[01:28:30.040 --> 01:28:35.040]  Just the one question about the titles of nobility use the water
[01:28:35.040 --> 01:28:37.040]  Oh, okay, good. Let me address that
[01:28:37.040 --> 01:28:40.040]  In one word, bullcrap
[01:28:40.040 --> 01:28:42.040]  You can call yourself whatever you want
[01:28:42.040 --> 01:28:52.040]  This stuff about the original 13th Amendment banning titles of nobility, it bans titles of nobility
[01:28:52.040 --> 01:28:56.040]  You can call yourself anything you want to. It doesn't mean anything
[01:28:56.040 --> 01:29:05.040]  This nonsense, some of these guys in legal reform are putting out this crapola that if you call yourself Esquire is some kind of magic
[01:29:05.040 --> 01:29:07.040]  Well, it's nonsense
[01:29:07.040 --> 01:29:14.040]  Let's go back to common law. Common law is about common sense
[01:29:14.040 --> 01:29:17.040]  I can call myself anything I want in this country
[01:29:17.040 --> 01:29:23.040]  I can call myself God if I don't mind people throwing rocks at me
[01:29:23.040 --> 01:29:25.040]  I can call myself anything I want
[01:29:25.040 --> 01:29:29.040]  This nonsense is if you call yourself Esquire all of a sudden you become noble, nobility
[01:29:29.040 --> 01:29:31.040]  Where do they get that crapola?
[01:29:31.040 --> 01:29:32.040]  Okay, listen, we're going to break
[01:29:32.040 --> 01:29:36.040]  Do you have anything else, Jerry, for us because we've got like 12 callers on the line
[01:29:36.040 --> 01:29:38.040]  Thanks a lot, you've been very helpful
[01:29:38.040 --> 01:29:40.040]  Okay, thank you so much
[01:29:40.040 --> 01:29:43.040]  All right, yeah, and we also have Karen Renick on the line for Vote Rescue
[01:29:43.040 --> 01:29:44.040]  I'm going to bring her up on the break
[01:29:44.040 --> 01:29:46.040]  We'll bring her right up on the other side
[01:29:46.040 --> 01:29:51.040]  This is Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton, the rule of law on ruleoflawradio.com
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[01:31:22.040 --> 01:31:27.040]  The Rule of Law, ruleoflawradio.com
[01:31:27.040 --> 01:31:31.040]  All right, we've got Karen Renick from Vote Rescue on the line with us
[01:31:31.040 --> 01:31:34.040]  one of my very best friends, one of my dear friends
[01:31:34.040 --> 01:31:38.040]  She and Vicki Karp have founded Vote Rescue
[01:31:38.040 --> 01:31:44.040]  pioneering, championing because of hand counted paper ballots in public view
[01:31:44.040 --> 01:31:49.040]  So Karen, you've got some updates on some very important legislation regarding this issue
[01:31:49.040 --> 01:31:51.040]  So Karen, give us the lowdown
[01:31:51.040 --> 01:31:53.040]  I sure will, and it's good to talk to you, Deborah
[01:31:53.040 --> 01:31:55.040]  And you too, Randy
[01:31:55.040 --> 01:31:56.040]  Thank you
[01:31:56.040 --> 01:32:00.040]  I kind of felt like I was top-never
[01:32:00.040 --> 01:32:04.040]  It was good to see you out at the bookstore when Katherine was in town giving us advice
[01:32:04.040 --> 01:32:05.040]  Yeah, that was wonderful
[01:32:05.040 --> 01:32:07.040]  No, it was great to see you guys there too, it really was
[01:32:07.040 --> 01:32:08.040]  Awesome
[01:32:08.040 --> 01:32:09.040]  Yeah, I wanted to give you a quick update
[01:32:09.040 --> 01:32:13.040]  I know you got a lot of callers, but I'm very excited about this
[01:32:13.040 --> 01:32:20.040]  Last year we had a bill called, we were calling it the hand counted paper ballot bill of Texas
[01:32:20.040 --> 01:32:26.040]  And basically it's basically getting rid of electronic voting of all sorts
[01:32:26.040 --> 01:32:27.040]  Yay
[01:32:27.040 --> 01:32:28.040]  And bringing in hand counted paper ballots
[01:32:28.040 --> 01:32:35.040]  Well last year we got it introduced, but we never got a hearing in the committee
[01:32:35.040 --> 01:32:40.040]  It's the elections committee in the House where we tried to get a hearing
[01:32:40.040 --> 01:32:48.040]  It never happened, so we went back this year kind of late because we've been working our tails off at the county level
[01:32:48.040 --> 01:32:54.040]  To make some changes there, but we, boy, talk about 11th hour
[01:32:54.040 --> 01:32:57.040]  We did manage to find someone to file the bill
[01:32:57.040 --> 01:33:00.040]  And that's one of the main reasons I wanted to call in
[01:33:00.040 --> 01:33:04.040]  Because I want anybody who knows Donna Howard, Representative Donna Howard
[01:33:04.040 --> 01:33:08.040]  I would love it if you would call her office and tell her thank you
[01:33:08.040 --> 01:33:12.040]  She's the one that filed the bill at the very last minute
[01:33:12.040 --> 01:33:18.040]  I couldn't get anybody in the elections committee or anybody else related to this from last year
[01:33:18.040 --> 01:33:20.040]  But Donna came through and I'm just thrilled
[01:33:20.040 --> 01:33:26.040]  Because now our goal is to at least get a hearing before the elections committee
[01:33:26.040 --> 01:33:30.040]  We don't have any grandiose dreams of it going to the floor and getting voted on
[01:33:30.040 --> 01:33:35.040]  I mean miracles can happen, but at least if we get a hearing
[01:33:35.040 --> 01:33:39.040]  And then just get tons of people out in support of this bill
[01:33:39.040 --> 01:33:43.040]  I know how many people really are, you know, want to see this happen
[01:33:43.040 --> 01:33:49.040]  Now Karen, is the same rep still the chairman of the elections committee?
[01:33:49.040 --> 01:33:51.040]  No, it's a whole new cast of characters
[01:33:51.040 --> 01:33:52.040]  Yay!
[01:33:52.040 --> 01:33:54.040]  No more Leo Berman
[01:33:54.040 --> 01:33:55.040]  Good
[01:33:55.040 --> 01:34:00.040]  The chair of the committee is Todd Smith
[01:34:00.040 --> 01:34:04.040]  And Todd Smith has gotten his marching orders
[01:34:04.040 --> 01:34:08.040]  His marching orders are to pass voter ID in the House
[01:34:08.040 --> 01:34:09.040]  Oh no
[01:34:09.040 --> 01:34:11.040]  And that's another bill
[01:34:11.040 --> 01:34:14.040]  And I could come back, you know, another show
[01:34:14.040 --> 01:34:17.040]  Because I know you got a lot of callers, but I'd love to talk about that
[01:34:17.040 --> 01:34:21.040]  But just essentially voter ID is, they're basing it on voter fraud
[01:34:21.040 --> 01:34:26.040]  But voter fraud is a fraud and it's a distraction away from the real fraud
[01:34:26.040 --> 01:34:28.040]  That can be done by the machine
[01:34:28.040 --> 01:34:31.040]  So that's kind of how it all fits together
[01:34:31.040 --> 01:34:38.040]  But it'll be an interesting session with some of these big, you know, key election related bills
[01:34:38.040 --> 01:34:40.040]  And I can certainly keep you guys
[01:34:40.040 --> 01:34:45.040]  So basically we need to oppose the voter ID bill
[01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:47.040]  Absolutely, yes
[01:34:47.040 --> 01:34:53.040]  We need to know when they're going to have the hearings on these issues
[01:34:53.040 --> 01:34:56.040]  So we can come down there and give them an earful
[01:34:56.040 --> 01:35:03.040]  Absolutely, and I will gladly, you know, keep you guys informed through email
[01:35:03.040 --> 01:35:06.040]  And then I can come on if you want me to
[01:35:06.040 --> 01:35:07.040]  Yeah, absolutely
[01:35:07.040 --> 01:35:11.040]  There's some more specifics about it and what's happening
[01:35:11.040 --> 01:35:19.040]  And then there's a third bill that's in the Senate which is going to squash citizens from getting like
[01:35:19.040 --> 01:35:23.040]  Propositions put on the ballot in cities like Austin
[01:35:23.040 --> 01:35:34.040]  They're going to double the number of signatures that you have to get in order to get your proposal or proposition on the ballot
[01:35:34.040 --> 01:35:37.040]  Karen, is Kirk Watson sponsoring this bill?
[01:35:37.040 --> 01:35:40.040]  No, I don't know who's, oh, oh
[01:35:40.040 --> 01:35:46.040]  And the reason I ask is because this has come up before
[01:35:46.040 --> 01:35:56.040]  And Kirk Watson always sponsors these bills in the Senate to increase the percentage of registered voters on a petition
[01:35:56.040 --> 01:36:02.040]  That is necessary in order to put propositions on the ballot
[01:36:02.040 --> 01:36:04.040]  He's always pulling this crap
[01:36:04.040 --> 01:36:08.040]  It could be him, I don't, you know, I can't remember off the top of my head
[01:36:08.040 --> 01:36:12.040]  But it is being pushed by the Chamber of Commerce
[01:36:12.040 --> 01:36:17.040]  I mean, that's what I heard that, you know, they're the ones that really are behind this thing
[01:36:17.040 --> 01:36:20.040]  And if people, I mean
[01:36:20.040 --> 01:36:23.040]  If anything, it needs to be lowered, Karen
[01:36:23.040 --> 01:36:25.040]  Absolutely, absolutely
[01:36:25.040 --> 01:36:29.040]  I mean, why would the Chamber of Commerce care?
[01:36:29.040 --> 01:36:34.040]  Well, they're, because they're the ones with the moneyed interest in the city
[01:36:34.040 --> 01:36:36.040]  And usually they're against citizen petitions
[01:36:36.040 --> 01:36:46.040]  I mean, usually citizen-initiated petition or, you know, propositions are trying to help people
[01:36:46.040 --> 01:36:49.040]  Basically
[01:36:49.040 --> 01:36:52.040]  And transparency and things like that
[01:36:52.040 --> 01:36:59.040]  And not giving away $65 million to developers who don't need, you know, tax incentives like that
[01:36:59.040 --> 01:37:00.040]  Right
[01:37:00.040 --> 01:37:02.040]  And just to tie it back into voting
[01:37:02.040 --> 01:37:07.040]  I think the last four propositions that have been on the ballot in the last, oh, God, five or six years
[01:37:07.040 --> 01:37:09.040]  Haven't passed
[01:37:09.040 --> 01:37:14.040]  But I tell you, I think they would have passed had we had 10-counted paper ballots
[01:37:14.040 --> 01:37:20.040]  Because we've got, you know, powers that be that could possibly be doing some things
[01:37:20.040 --> 01:37:23.040]  You know, our votes aren't being counted, you know, in the open
[01:37:23.040 --> 01:37:25.040]  Everything's being counted secretly
[01:37:25.040 --> 01:37:29.040]  So we definitely have to change the way we vote
[01:37:29.040 --> 01:37:33.040]  But then, of course, they're coming at us with all these other things too
[01:37:33.040 --> 01:37:38.040]  So I will gladly keep you, you know, off the speed on these things
[01:37:38.040 --> 01:37:39.040]  Please do
[01:37:39.040 --> 01:37:44.040]  And for people who want to know when these bills are coming up for public hearing
[01:37:44.040 --> 01:37:47.040]  If you go to the Texas Legislature website
[01:37:47.040 --> 01:37:49.040]  I don't know exactly what the URL is
[01:37:49.040 --> 01:37:54.040]  But just get on X quick and look up Texas Legislature
[01:37:54.040 --> 01:37:58.040]  And you will see, it will be very clear on the website
[01:37:58.040 --> 01:38:05.040]  There will be big links to sign up for notifications for committee hearings
[01:38:05.040 --> 01:38:08.040]  And just, you know, click on the elections committee
[01:38:08.040 --> 01:38:13.040]  That you want to be notified of all public hearings that are coming up or any activity at all
[01:38:13.040 --> 01:38:15.040]  By the elections committee
[01:38:15.040 --> 01:38:20.040]  They have to give, I believe it's at least 48 hours notice according to the Open Meetings Act
[01:38:20.040 --> 01:38:22.040]  And so then you get an email
[01:38:22.040 --> 01:38:24.040]  And then you'll know when the hearings are
[01:38:24.040 --> 01:38:26.040]  And we'll make announcements about it on the air as well
[01:38:26.040 --> 01:38:30.040]  Yeah, and if anybody would like to get on to Vote Rescue's mailing list
[01:38:30.040 --> 01:38:34.040]  They can go to our website, which is voterescue.org
[01:38:34.040 --> 01:38:41.040]  And get on our mailing list because we're going to be sending out constant alerts to people too
[01:38:41.040 --> 01:38:45.040]  So that's another way you could be kept in the loop
[01:38:45.040 --> 01:38:50.040]  But anyway, I don't want to take up any more time because you've got so many more listeners
[01:38:50.040 --> 01:38:51.040]  No, it's okay, Karen
[01:38:51.040 --> 01:38:57.040]  But I just wanted to let everybody know the good news about the Hank Ham paper ballot bill
[01:38:57.040 --> 01:39:00.040]  And then get everybody to get on to another one
[01:39:00.040 --> 01:39:06.040]  When do you expect a hearing or when do you expect the next activity to take place on this bill?
[01:39:06.040 --> 01:39:11.040]  I think it will be fairly late in the session, is what I've been told
[01:39:11.040 --> 01:39:15.040]  And, you know, that's really fine with us
[01:39:15.040 --> 01:39:17.040]  We're just very glad that
[01:39:17.040 --> 01:39:21.040]  I think we have a very good chance of getting a hearing this session
[01:39:21.040 --> 01:39:23.040]  And that's really what we want
[01:39:23.040 --> 01:39:28.040]  I think we're going to see some things hopefully happen at the county level
[01:39:28.040 --> 01:39:34.040]  Because we've got our fingers in some things going on there that may change things here
[01:39:34.040 --> 01:39:41.040]  So we're trying to work on all levels and people are starting to sort of pay attention more
[01:39:41.040 --> 01:39:42.040]  Well, excellent, Karen
[01:39:42.040 --> 01:39:45.040]  Let's have you on like maybe next week, like maybe next Monday
[01:39:45.040 --> 01:39:47.040]  We've got guests lined up for the rest of the week
[01:39:47.040 --> 01:39:50.040]  But maybe if you're available next Monday, we'll have you on as guests
[01:39:50.040 --> 01:39:53.040]  And we can get more thoroughly into some of these topics
[01:39:53.040 --> 01:39:54.040]  That'd be great, love to
[01:39:54.040 --> 01:39:55.040]  Excellent
[01:39:55.040 --> 01:39:56.040]  Well, great show you guys
[01:39:56.040 --> 01:39:57.040]  Thanks so much
[01:39:57.040 --> 01:39:58.040]  Thanks, Karen
[01:39:58.040 --> 01:39:59.040]  Take care
[01:39:59.040 --> 01:40:00.040]  Yeah, bye-bye
[01:40:00.040 --> 01:40:07.040]  We talked once before about how to have a real effect on government
[01:40:07.040 --> 01:40:12.040]  This is where you have a real effect on government, these hearings on bills
[01:40:12.040 --> 01:40:13.040]  Right
[01:40:13.040 --> 01:40:20.040]  I went to a hearing to sunset the state bar
[01:40:20.040 --> 01:40:26.040]  In a state of 14 million people, about 100 people showed up
[01:40:26.040 --> 01:40:30.040]  And frankly, that was a tremendous amount
[01:40:30.040 --> 01:40:33.040]  I've been to some of these hearings where there wasn't 15, 20 people there
[01:40:33.040 --> 01:40:40.040]  So if you have a really good rant in you, this is the place to make it
[01:40:40.040 --> 01:40:45.040]  Save it up for the hearings, the public hearings in these committee meetings in Congress
[01:40:45.040 --> 01:40:52.040]  You've got these elected officials trapped, they can't get away from you
[01:40:52.040 --> 01:40:55.040]  And you get to just wind their clocks
[01:40:55.040 --> 01:40:59.040]  Yeah, now remember, generally these public hearings, you get like a two-minute time limit
[01:40:59.040 --> 01:41:01.040]  So have something prepared and written out
[01:41:01.040 --> 01:41:05.040]  Don't just go up there and wing it unless like you're really, really practiced at it
[01:41:05.040 --> 01:41:12.040]  Because you want to definitely make every word count and make every second count when you get up there
[01:41:12.040 --> 01:41:13.040]  All righty?
[01:41:13.040 --> 01:41:15.040]  Okay, so we're going to have Karen on next Monday
[01:41:15.040 --> 01:41:20.040]  It sounds like it gets some more in-depth into this election issue
[01:41:20.040 --> 01:41:23.040]  Okay, we're going to go now to Rick in California
[01:41:23.040 --> 01:41:27.040]  Hey, Rick, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:41:27.040 --> 01:41:28.040]  How's it going, guys?
[01:41:28.040 --> 01:41:30.040]  Pretty good
[01:41:30.040 --> 01:41:36.040]  I just wanted to, I called because there was an incident that happened with somebody that I know
[01:41:36.040 --> 01:41:44.040]  Who was on probation and unfortunately was caught drinking and driving
[01:41:44.040 --> 01:41:50.040]  So they took him in and what happened was that when they took him in
[01:41:50.040 --> 01:41:52.040]  They told them they were going to let him go the next day
[01:41:52.040 --> 01:42:00.040]  The next day comes and so I guess he was picked up on Monday or something and Tuesday morning
[01:42:00.040 --> 01:42:02.040]  They were going to let him go
[01:42:02.040 --> 01:42:08.040]  And what happened was that they didn't let him go because I guess he violated his probation
[01:42:08.040 --> 01:42:17.040]  So what happened was that he was, I guess it was Tuesday, last Tuesday this happened
[01:42:17.040 --> 01:42:24.040]  And what happened was he really got his arraignment today
[01:42:24.040 --> 01:42:26.040]  Which is basically what a whole week
[01:42:26.040 --> 01:42:28.040]  No, no, wait a minute, did he ever see a magistrate?
[01:42:28.040 --> 01:42:31.040]  I mean, what is this that they were just going to let him go?
[01:42:31.040 --> 01:42:34.040]  Yeah, well, no, they did nothing, nothing like that
[01:42:34.040 --> 01:42:41.040]  Okay, well, he may have a problem because if he was on probation
[01:42:41.040 --> 01:42:43.040]  Yeah, he just said he violated his probation
[01:42:43.040 --> 01:42:48.040]  So if he's on probation, they can hold him on the probation violation as long as they want to
[01:42:48.040 --> 01:42:51.040]  Yeah, that's true
[01:42:51.040 --> 01:42:56.040]  But the problem was that, and that's what I was thinking about, however
[01:42:56.040 --> 01:43:01.040]  Had they let him go and re-arrest him, then I would have understood that
[01:43:01.040 --> 01:43:04.040]  But what I understand is that they never let him out anywhere
[01:43:04.040 --> 01:43:07.040]  They don't have to if he violated probation
[01:43:07.040 --> 01:43:14.040]  Well, this may give him a way to beat it if he challenges not being brought before a magistrate
[01:43:14.040 --> 01:43:21.040]  And gets the charge thrown out, then he can reinstate the probation
[01:43:21.040 --> 01:43:24.040]  Because there's no reason to, they don't have any reason to let him go
[01:43:24.040 --> 01:43:27.040]  Yeah, he'd have to go after due process is the only way
[01:43:27.040 --> 01:43:33.040]  Yeah, and what I understand, the funny part is that now they're saying supposedly that the DUI was dismissed
[01:43:33.040 --> 01:43:36.040]  But the point is that he never went in front of a magistrate at all
[01:43:36.040 --> 01:43:38.040]  So I'm wondering who dismissed it
[01:43:38.040 --> 01:43:42.040]  Well, they probably dismissed it because they know they violated due process
[01:43:42.040 --> 01:43:43.040]  Yeah
[01:43:43.040 --> 01:43:45.040]  They probably threw it out
[01:43:45.040 --> 01:43:52.040]  They might have had another problem with it, but then he should move to have his probation reinstated
[01:43:52.040 --> 01:43:56.040]  I wouldn't attack them until I got the probation
[01:43:56.040 --> 01:43:57.040]  Yeah, no kidding
[01:43:57.040 --> 01:43:59.040]  Yeah
[01:43:59.040 --> 01:44:00.040]  No kidding
[01:44:00.040 --> 01:44:06.040]  Once you got your liberty back, then you can go kick them in the teeth if you want to
[01:44:06.040 --> 01:44:13.040]  But if you're on probation, I'd suggest that you hold that until she's off probation
[01:44:13.040 --> 01:44:15.040]  Yeah, okay, I'll do that
[01:44:15.040 --> 01:44:16.040]  I want to thank you guys
[01:44:16.040 --> 01:44:19.040]  And one quick thing is that I'm making some videos
[01:44:19.040 --> 01:44:23.040]  Because on the citation that I got, I was named a customer instead of defendant
[01:44:23.040 --> 01:44:27.040]  So I've been looking up these words up on my Black Law Dictionary fifth edition
[01:44:27.040 --> 01:44:30.040]  And it's some interesting stuff, so I'll be putting it on my YouTube
[01:44:30.040 --> 01:44:31.040]  All right, great
[01:44:31.040 --> 01:44:34.040]  Now they're calling you customers, huh?
[01:44:34.040 --> 01:44:38.040]  Because you're just a money source
[01:44:38.040 --> 01:44:41.040]  So I want to thank you guys, and once again, you guys are doing a great job
[01:44:41.040 --> 01:44:42.040]  Thanks, Rick
[01:44:42.040 --> 01:44:46.040]  All right, yeah, and just a quick comment here about this probation thing
[01:44:46.040 --> 01:44:51.040]  Once you go on probation, you've entered into a contract, okay?
[01:44:51.040 --> 01:44:57.040]  And so you really don't have the same kind of quote-unquote rights as you did before
[01:44:57.040 --> 01:45:03.040]  Because you agreed to certain stipulations of the contract in order to be on probation
[01:45:03.040 --> 01:45:05.040]  Instead of sitting behind bars
[01:45:05.040 --> 01:45:10.040]  So, like, you really, you have to look very carefully at what you're agreeing to
[01:45:10.040 --> 01:45:15.040]  Because, you know, we get calls sometimes of this and that happened to people
[01:45:15.040 --> 01:45:18.040]  And they're like, well, they violated my rights and then come to find out
[01:45:18.040 --> 01:45:22.040]  No, they really didn't because you agreed to the contract
[01:45:22.040 --> 01:45:26.040]  All right, so probations or contracts, so you've got to watch that, you've got to look at that
[01:45:26.040 --> 01:45:30.040]  All right, here we are now, we're going to go to Jim in Texas
[01:45:30.040 --> 01:45:32.040]  Jim, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:45:32.040 --> 01:45:36.040]  Let's kind of move a little bit quickly because we have three more people and this is the last segment
[01:45:36.040 --> 01:45:40.040]  Okay, I was just going to make a comment
[01:45:40.040 --> 01:45:45.040]  I got an email this afternoon, actually, I think it came yesterday
[01:45:45.040 --> 01:45:53.040]  It's from a group, they've got a website called Your Remedy is in the Law
[01:45:53.040 --> 01:45:55.040]  Have you guys heard of that one?
[01:45:55.040 --> 01:45:57.040]  David Myerlund?
[01:45:57.040 --> 01:45:59.040]  Actually, I think his name is Myerlund, Randy
[01:45:59.040 --> 01:46:01.040]  I know
[01:46:01.040 --> 01:46:05.040]  Actually, he's not connected to that anymore, that would be Mike Edwards
[01:46:05.040 --> 01:46:07.040]  Mike Edwards
[01:46:07.040 --> 01:46:09.040]  Now, David Myerlund is
[01:46:09.040 --> 01:46:19.040]  I don't know if this is for me, but I had sent the lady that I got the email from
[01:46:19.040 --> 01:46:26.040]  your website for the radio because I've been trying to get people to listen to it
[01:46:26.040 --> 01:46:27.040]  Good man
[01:46:27.040 --> 01:46:28.040]  Thank you
[01:46:28.040 --> 01:46:37.040]  I replied to her on this and told her again that it was, you know, I sent her an email three months ago about this
[01:46:37.040 --> 01:46:47.040]  I forwarded it to everybody, asked everybody on her email list to tune in and stream your audio
[01:46:47.040 --> 01:46:51.040]  and she has a very large email list
[01:46:51.040 --> 01:46:53.040]  Right
[01:46:53.040 --> 01:46:59.040]  I mean, and I guess that's one of the reasons I'm calling to try to get everybody out there to talk to everybody that they can
[01:46:59.040 --> 01:47:01.040]  We appreciate that
[01:47:01.040 --> 01:47:03.040]  More people to do this, so
[01:47:03.040 --> 01:47:06.040]  We appreciate that, thank you so much, Jim
[01:47:06.040 --> 01:47:12.040]  And that's basically all I have, I just wanted to say please everybody out there
[01:47:12.040 --> 01:47:19.040]  Talk to everybody that you know that's got a computer and get them to tune in and listen
[01:47:19.040 --> 01:47:21.040]  And listen
[01:47:21.040 --> 01:47:23.040]  We do have remedies
[01:47:23.040 --> 01:47:24.040]  Have a good evening
[01:47:24.040 --> 01:47:26.040]  Alright, thank you Jim, we really appreciate it
[01:47:26.040 --> 01:47:27.040]  Yep
[01:47:27.040 --> 01:47:34.040]  And I do really appreciate all the support from the listeners, people who have mailed us letters
[01:47:34.040 --> 01:47:41.040]  In fact, I think Thursday I'm going to spend a little time at the top of the show reading some of the letters the listeners have written to us in the mail
[01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:42.040]  Very touching
[01:47:42.040 --> 01:47:44.040]  Alright, we're going to go now to Tim in Texas
[01:47:44.040 --> 01:47:47.040]  Alright, Tim, thanks for calling in, what's on your mind tonight?
[01:47:47.040 --> 01:47:48.040]  Well, good evening folks
[01:47:48.040 --> 01:47:56.040]  I had called in a couple months, I think back in November, about a cousin who had had an episode and ended up in a psych war
[01:47:56.040 --> 01:48:00.040]  And we're trying to get him out on, if you remember that
[01:48:00.040 --> 01:48:01.040]  Barely
[01:48:01.040 --> 01:48:02.040]  Bring us up to speed
[01:48:02.040 --> 01:48:04.040]  Yeah, give us a recap
[01:48:04.040 --> 01:48:08.040]  He got out and then in January he passed away
[01:48:08.040 --> 01:48:10.040]  Oh, I'm sorry to hear that
[01:48:10.040 --> 01:48:18.040]  Now what we're dealing with is the family, he left us without a will or a trust or anything like that
[01:48:18.040 --> 01:48:27.040]  So we're trying to go through the proper channels probate court and a woman has entered the picture trying to claim she was his common law wife
[01:48:27.040 --> 01:48:28.040]  Oh boy
[01:48:28.040 --> 01:48:37.040]  So my main question here is she's obviously filed false documents with the court to a lawyer that she's hired to try to go after his estate
[01:48:37.040 --> 01:48:46.040]  And what I'm trying to figure out is what would be the correct procedure for going after someone for filing false documents with the court
[01:48:46.040 --> 01:48:54.040]  Like she's staying with him in Texas, but she came in from California, from home in California to visit him that week because he died
[01:48:54.040 --> 01:49:00.040]  And she was the only one in contact with him that week, which is a little bit suspicious, but we don't really want to get into that
[01:49:00.040 --> 01:49:08.040]  But anyways, and when she was on the police report that she filed with the police when she's the one who found him
[01:49:08.040 --> 01:49:16.040]  She said that on the police report that she lived in California and now she's saying that she lives in Texas for a lawyer who doesn't know any better
[01:49:16.040 --> 01:49:22.040]  So I want to go after her and her lawyer for filing false documents if I can, but I want to know what would be the procedure
[01:49:22.040 --> 01:49:33.040]  Do your homework first. Find out who this woman is. If you have to, get an investigator. There's a lot of things you can do on the Internet
[01:49:33.040 --> 01:49:44.040]  Find out everything you can about this woman first. Find out where she lived, when she lived there, married, not married
[01:49:44.040 --> 01:49:53.040]  If she is as, you know, a false interloper, do your homework on her
[01:49:53.040 --> 01:50:03.040]  You know, we don't like, you know, Katherine Albrecht would roll over if you heard this, but with the Internet the way it is
[01:50:03.040 --> 01:50:06.040]  You can find out most anything about everybody
[01:50:06.040 --> 01:50:11.040]  Well, yeah, even regardless of whether you use Google or Exquip
[01:50:11.040 --> 01:50:19.040]  Before you start making allegations, keep in mind when you do something, they're going to do something
[01:50:19.040 --> 01:50:20.040]  Right
[01:50:20.040 --> 01:50:22.040]  Do you play chess?
[01:50:22.040 --> 01:50:25.040]  A little bit. Checkers do better
[01:50:25.040 --> 01:50:28.040]  That's the whole thing. This is not checkers
[01:50:28.040 --> 01:50:29.040]  Yeah
[01:50:29.040 --> 01:50:35.040]  You do not want to tip for tap. You want to be three moves ahead
[01:50:35.040 --> 01:50:42.040]  So do all your homework first and consider your moves carefully
[01:50:42.040 --> 01:50:47.040]  Especially if this woman is knowledgeable and she is a con
[01:50:47.040 --> 01:50:55.040]  She'll know her business, but she also has weaknesses. Cons tend to be arrogant and think we're all stupid
[01:50:55.040 --> 01:51:01.040]  Most people don't deal with criminals often, so we expect people to be honest
[01:51:01.040 --> 01:51:07.040]  And when they're not, we're surprised about it. Well, you are forewarned
[01:51:07.040 --> 01:51:16.040]  So I would defer. I wouldn't do anything until I did all the research I could do, found out everything I could about her
[01:51:16.040 --> 01:51:17.040]  Okay
[01:51:17.040 --> 01:51:24.040]  Yeah, good chance she'll get real easy to handle after that, and the one you really want to go after is the attorney
[01:51:24.040 --> 01:51:29.040]  Yeah. Well, doesn't he have a duty to file documents if they're not false?
[01:51:29.040 --> 01:51:35.040]  Oh, he has an absolute duty to. He may not trust the veracity of his client
[01:51:35.040 --> 01:51:40.040]  Yeah, it's his duty under law to find out what the real truth is and act upon it
[01:51:40.040 --> 01:51:46.040]  Exactly. If he files a false document because he relied on his client, he is responsible
[01:51:46.040 --> 01:51:47.040]  Right
[01:51:47.040 --> 01:51:51.040]  So he's the one you can sting the best
[01:51:51.040 --> 01:51:52.040]  Yeah
[01:51:52.040 --> 01:51:57.040]  But you do the due diligence that the attorney should have done
[01:51:57.040 --> 01:51:59.040]  Yeah
[01:51:59.040 --> 01:52:03.040]  And that's about all I can tell you at this point. Once we know more, it could get more interesting
[01:52:03.040 --> 01:52:08.040]  Yeah, Tim, and why don't you call back on Thursday, because I want to get to these other two callers who have been waiting forever
[01:52:08.040 --> 01:52:09.040]  Thank you a lot
[01:52:09.040 --> 01:52:18.040]  All right, thanks, Tim. All right. We have now Sal in New York. We've only got about five minutes left, so I'll give you all each like two and a half minutes
[01:52:18.040 --> 01:52:19.040]  So go ahead, Sal
[01:52:19.040 --> 01:52:35.040]  All right. Good evening. Rent, definitely pay for your work there, and I would gladly pay for it. And also, I teach it, and I teach it, too
[01:52:35.040 --> 01:52:36.040]  Oh, wonderful
[01:52:36.040 --> 01:52:41.040]  Wonderful. Are you very familiar with New York law?
[01:52:41.040 --> 01:52:48.040]  I'm trying to be. I've been studying it for the past 10 years
[01:52:48.040 --> 01:52:50.040]  Oh, right. Good for you
[01:52:50.040 --> 01:53:03.040]  What I'm looking for are people who can take due process and convert it to other states. I have a document that's like 50 pages long on due process
[01:53:03.040 --> 01:53:04.040]  It's written habeas corpus
[01:53:04.040 --> 01:53:05.040]  Right
[01:53:05.040 --> 01:53:14.040]  And it goes through all of the steps, and actually there's a couple of more things I'll be adding into it here pretty soon, a lot more subtle stuff
[01:53:14.040 --> 01:53:26.040]  But it really goes to common law or federal due process. I have it in terms of state law, Texas state law, but we need to convert it into other states
[01:53:26.040 --> 01:53:35.040]  Yeah, so Sal, you could take Randy's writ of habeas corpus and just look up the analogous statutes that correspond in New York
[01:53:35.040 --> 01:53:44.040]  You may have issues that I don't have in here for New York, but this is just like 30 years of research. This is kind of a basic skeleton
[01:53:44.040 --> 01:53:49.040]  And I'm sure if you've been researching for 10 years, you probably already know most of it
[01:53:49.040 --> 01:53:55.040]  Really? Okay, so go ahead, Sal, because I want to give you another minute or so, and then we're going to go to Marcus in Virginia
[01:53:55.040 --> 01:54:15.040]  All right, a couple of things. You have talked about the red light cameras before. I had received something in the mail that I just sent back with the expected for value
[01:54:15.040 --> 01:54:27.040]  You had received documents from Sir David Andrew. I would like to get a hold of. Is it possible that you email them to me?
[01:54:27.040 --> 01:54:38.040]  Okay, the problem is I got a lot of documents from Sir David Andrew. I have a large file on him, and I don't know which email to look at
[01:54:38.040 --> 01:54:48.040]  If Sir David's listening, I sure would appreciate if he'll send me an email, tell me where to look. I will be glad to forward this to you
[01:54:48.040 --> 01:55:04.040]  Send me an email on the Randy at Rule of Law Radio email site, and if I don't hear from David real quick, I'll send him an email asking him which one to look at
[01:55:04.040 --> 01:55:10.040]  Okay, because I remember you having talk done, because I've listened to every one of your shows
[01:55:10.040 --> 01:55:14.040]  We'll find out what it is. We'll get it to you, Sal
[01:55:14.040 --> 01:55:21.040]  The one I do want is the waiver of immunity
[01:55:21.040 --> 01:55:22.040]  All right, excellent
[01:55:22.040 --> 01:55:25.040]  Copy of that
[01:55:25.040 --> 01:55:31.040]  Okay, well listen, Sal, if you could just send us an email and let you know what we need, because I want to move on to Marcus in Virginia
[01:55:31.040 --> 01:55:35.040]  Okay, call me on Friday if you can, we have the four hour show, we have a lot more time
[01:55:35.040 --> 01:55:40.040]  Right, well we'll have Brian Michael on for the first hour or two, but yeah, we'll be taking calls after that
[01:55:40.040 --> 01:55:42.040]  All right, I'll send it to you
[01:55:42.040 --> 01:55:43.040]  Okay, thanks Sal
[01:55:43.040 --> 01:55:44.040]  Thanks a lot
[01:55:44.040 --> 01:55:48.040]  Okay, a couple minutes left, we've got Marcus in Virginia. Hey Marcus, thanks for calling in
[01:55:48.040 --> 01:56:03.040]  Yeah, I'm back to my traffic case. They've reduced my right to drive down to a privilege, and that's what I really want to deal with
[01:56:03.040 --> 01:56:14.040]  Not just the stop sign issue. Here in Virginia, we don't even need to argue the usual stuff about the right to travel
[01:56:14.040 --> 01:56:29.040]  Or whether you're in commerce or not, because the rule 101 of the motor vehicle code states that the title only applies to persons in motor vehicles
[01:56:29.040 --> 01:56:39.040]  Let's see, driven on the full facilities or parking facilities owned by the state
[01:56:39.040 --> 01:56:49.040]  So as far as I know, it doesn't apply them. If they don't even use it totally, parking facility, then this doesn't apply
[01:56:49.040 --> 01:56:56.040]  Then how are you going to address the issue?
[01:56:56.040 --> 01:57:06.040]  Well, there's a couple of cases here in Virginia that says that the title must be read as a whole
[01:57:06.040 --> 01:57:10.040]  In paramateria
[01:57:10.040 --> 01:57:13.040]  I'm not too familiar with that term
[01:57:13.040 --> 01:57:18.040]  Yeah, that's what the term means. All of it has to be considered as one large piece
[01:57:18.040 --> 01:57:24.040]  You can't just go pull one statute out of it and wave it at somebody. You gotta say, wait a minute, wait a minute
[01:57:24.040 --> 01:57:34.040]  You gotta have it in paramateria. All of the statutes must be considered together, because they all work together
[01:57:34.040 --> 01:57:40.040]  That's what they mean as a whole. That's the legal term for it. I didn't mean to distract you, I'm sorry, go ahead
[01:57:40.040 --> 01:57:52.040]  Okay, well, I was thinking that the plaintiff slash prosecutor should have evidence that I've done this
[01:57:52.040 --> 01:57:57.040]  Okay, I'm going to suggest that you're starting two steps down the road too far
[01:57:57.040 --> 01:57:59.040]  Too far
[01:57:59.040 --> 01:58:04.040]  The first thing the judge has to do is show that he has subject matter jurisdiction
[01:58:04.040 --> 01:58:06.040]  Yeah, no kidding
[01:58:06.040 --> 01:58:12.040]  Before you even talk to the prosecutor, the judge, if he don't have subject matter jurisdiction, he's a criminal
[01:58:12.040 --> 01:58:18.040]  Go to subject matter jurisdiction, make him prove that the law applies to you
[01:58:18.040 --> 01:58:21.040]  Call us back Friday. I'd like to address this
[01:58:21.040 --> 01:58:25.040]  We do have a guest on Thursday. Quickly, Randy, who's the guest?
[01:58:25.040 --> 01:58:30.040]  Nathan, hold on
[01:58:30.040 --> 01:58:36.040]  We have a guest on Thursday. I got an email from Gary Lochte about it
[01:58:36.040 --> 01:58:38.040]  I'm trying to remember his first name
[01:58:38.040 --> 01:58:39.040]  What's his last name?
[01:58:39.040 --> 01:58:42.040]  Nathan, Nathan. He's an attorney out of Minnesota
[01:58:42.040 --> 01:58:44.040]  Attorney out of Minnesota, Nathan
[01:58:44.040 --> 01:58:45.040]  Dale Nathan
[01:58:45.040 --> 01:58:48.040]  Dale Nathan, oh, that's who Gail was talking about, Gail from Minnesota
[01:58:48.040 --> 01:58:50.040]  And he called me and he's very good
[01:58:50.040 --> 01:58:53.040]  Okay, all right, we gotta go, we gotta go, we're getting cut off here
[01:58:53.040 --> 01:58:56.040]  We'll be back on Thursday, the rule of law, ruleoflawradio.com
[01:59:23.040 --> 01:59:25.040]  From me to this
[01:59:26.040 --> 01:59:28.040]  I'm like a stepping razor
[01:59:28.040 --> 01:59:30.040]  Don't watch my side
[01:59:30.040 --> 01:59:32.040]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:32.040 --> 01:59:34.040]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:34.040 --> 01:59:36.040]  I'm like a stepping razor
[01:59:36.040 --> 01:59:38.040]  Don't watch my side
[01:59:38.040 --> 01:59:40.040]  I'm dangerous
[01:59:40.040 --> 01:59:41.040]  Dangerous
[01:59:41.040 --> 01:59:43.040]  If you eat out of my balls
[01:59:45.040 --> 01:59:47.040]  If you drink in my boots
[01:59:49.040 --> 01:59:51.040]  If you drink less soup
[01:59:51.040 --> 01:59:53.040]  You better change