[00:00.000 --> 00:10.960] UN General Assembly President Miguel Brockman accused the U.S. of war crimes and committing [00:10.960 --> 00:14.720] inhuman atrocities in Iraq and Afghanistan. [00:14.720 --> 00:20.960] Brockman said the World Health Organization claims that 151,000 Iraqis have been killed [00:20.960 --> 00:23.360] since the U.S. invasion. [00:23.360 --> 00:28.540] Israeli jets Wednesday launched a missile at a car in Gaza, killing two Palestinians [00:28.540 --> 00:30.680] and wounding five others. [00:30.680 --> 00:35.480] Israeli airstrike was in response to rocket attacks by small groups of militants on southern [00:35.480 --> 00:37.840] Israel. [00:37.840 --> 00:43.400] Former political operative Karl Rove and former White House counsel Harriet Myers will testify [00:43.400 --> 00:49.920] before the House Judiciary Committee in transcribed depositions under penalty of perjury. [00:49.920 --> 00:55.520] In an agreement between the former Bush administration and the House Judiciary Committee, invocations [00:55.520 --> 01:04.760] of official privileges will be significantly limited. [01:04.760 --> 01:08.840] Legislation currently working its way through Congress calls for the establishment of national [01:08.840 --> 01:14.040] emergency centers to be located on military installations in the U.S. [01:14.040 --> 01:19.760] Their purpose is to provide temporary housing, medical and humanitarian assistance to individuals [01:19.760 --> 01:24.080] dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster. [01:24.080 --> 01:28.800] The bill states the camps can be used to meet other appropriate needs as determined by the [01:28.800 --> 01:31.200] Secretary of Homeland Security. [01:31.200 --> 01:37.040] Many people fear this open-ended mandate could mean the forced detention of American citizens [01:37.040 --> 01:43.360] in the event of widespread rioting after a national emergency or economic collapse. [01:43.360 --> 01:48.680] Author Naomi Wolf says the National Counterterrorism Center has the names of close to one million [01:48.680 --> 01:53.720] terror suspects, with the number increasing by 20,000 per month. [01:53.720 --> 01:59.920] Three years ago, Kellogg, Brown and Root was awarded a $385 million contract to construct [01:59.920 --> 02:11.440] detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency. [02:11.440 --> 02:16.080] The International Criminal Court issued an arrest warrant Wednesday against Sudanese [02:16.080 --> 02:21.720] President Omar al-Bashir on seven counts of war crimes and crimes against humanity, the [02:21.720 --> 02:24.640] first ever against a sitting head of state. [02:24.640 --> 02:29.280] The warrant sparked a backlash in the capital Khartoum, where thousands of people protested [02:29.280 --> 02:31.120] in support of Bashir. [02:31.120 --> 02:36.600] The government immediately expelled 10 foreign aid groups that handle 60 percent of humanitarian [02:36.600 --> 02:38.240] aid in Darfur. [02:38.240 --> 02:43.220] The groups, including Oxfam, Doctors Without Borders and Care International, were given [02:43.220 --> 02:46.160] at most 24 hours to leave the country. [02:46.160 --> 02:50.900] The Sudanese government claimed the International Court lacks jurisdiction since Sudan is not [02:50.900 --> 02:52.320] a member of the court. [02:52.320 --> 03:21.800] It also threatened forceful retaliation against anyone in Sudan supporting the court's decision. [03:21.800 --> 03:50.660] These findings are known to all collectivists and patients alike. [03:50.660 --> 03:52.400] Bad Boys, Bad Boys Whatcha gonna do [03:52.640 --> 03:55.200] Whatcha gonna do When they come for you [03:55.600 --> 03:56.660] Bad Boys, Bad Boys [03:56.940 --> 03:58.240] Whatcha gonna do [03:58.520 --> 04:00.700] Whatcha gonna do When they come for you [04:00.940 --> 04:02.320] You chuck it on that one [04:02.320 --> 04:03.620] You chuck it on this one [04:03.620 --> 04:04.820] You chuck it on your mother [04:04.820 --> 04:06.500] And you chuck it on your father [04:06.500 --> 04:07.320] You chuck it on your brother [04:07.320 --> 04:08.940] And you chuck it on your sister [04:08.940 --> 04:10.080] You chuck it on that one [04:10.080 --> 04:11.560] And you chuck it on me [04:11.840 --> 04:13.120] Bad Boys, Bad Boys [04:13.120 --> 04:14.540] Whatcha gonna do [04:14.540 --> 04:15.500] Whatcha gonna do [04:15.500 --> 04:17.160] When they come for you [04:17.160 --> 04:18.660] Bad Boys, Bad Boys [04:18.660 --> 04:19.860] Whatcha gonna do [04:49.860 --> 04:52.860] Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do? [04:52.860 --> 04:55.360] What you gonna do when they come for you? [04:55.360 --> 05:02.360] Bad boys, bad boys, what you gonna do when they come for you? [05:02.360 --> 05:06.860] This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. [05:06.860 --> 05:09.360] We're back in studio tonight. [05:09.360 --> 05:15.360] We're going to be following up tonight from our broadcast on Monday at Brave New Books. [05:15.360 --> 05:21.860] Kathryn Albrecht is going to be calling in to our show here shortly to give us an update on [05:21.860 --> 05:27.860] what happened in San Marcos on Tuesday night when they went down there to basically confront [05:27.860 --> 05:35.360] City Hall as it were about them passing these ordinances to forcefully chip people's pets. [05:35.360 --> 05:39.860] So I'm anxious to hear that to see what was accomplished down there. [05:39.860 --> 05:44.860] I was not able to go since I was having to produce shows Tuesday night. [05:44.860 --> 05:47.860] So Randy, in the meantime, what's going on? [05:47.860 --> 05:49.360] What do you have for us tonight? [05:49.360 --> 05:53.360] Well, I'm getting ready to start up the litigation engine. [05:53.360 --> 05:57.360] We hope to have something working next week. [05:57.360 --> 06:01.860] We're putting together some promotions to send out. [06:01.860 --> 06:05.860] We're going to start contacting everybody that's been arrested. [06:05.860 --> 06:11.860] And now that I'm finally getting it up and working, I'm hoping that if we have some other [06:11.860 --> 06:19.860] researchers out there in other states, if you start putting together due process, [06:19.860 --> 06:24.860] go to the writ of habeas corpus on my website. [06:24.860 --> 06:28.860] It walks through essentially generic due process. [06:28.860 --> 06:37.860] This is, Texas actually has a good set of law, and it very closely reflects the federal law [06:37.860 --> 06:45.860] in that there are certain federal requirements for due process in order to protect a person's right [06:45.860 --> 06:46.860] when they're arrested. [06:46.860 --> 06:49.860] So this goes through all of those. [06:49.860 --> 06:58.860] And anybody out there who's willing to help, if we can get this converted to other states, [06:58.860 --> 07:03.860] we can literally take down the criminal justice system with it. [07:03.860 --> 07:08.860] Because we start contacting everybody that's been arrested. [07:08.860 --> 07:14.860] And all of the people I talk to everywhere tell me how horrible what they do is. [07:14.860 --> 07:20.860] I tell them about due process in Texas, and they say, well, they're doing the same thing here. [07:20.860 --> 07:22.860] I hear this all over the country. [07:22.860 --> 07:29.860] So if we start putting together the law in each state that addresses these due process issues, [07:29.860 --> 07:34.860] start putting it in the hands of every person that's been arrested, [07:34.860 --> 07:46.860] when the policing agency starts getting one or two or three new lawsuits every day, [07:46.860 --> 07:51.860] it won't take them long to start adjusting their policies and practices. [07:51.860 --> 07:59.860] The state will simply have no alternative but to change, and it won't take many of us. [07:59.860 --> 08:07.860] Just one person in every county contacting every person that gets arrested in that county. [08:07.860 --> 08:12.860] I was in Amarillo, and I got a whole bunch of them for several months, [08:12.860 --> 08:16.860] and it averaged out 11 people a day. [08:16.860 --> 08:23.860] If we get 1% of those, 11 people a day is 300 people a month, [08:23.860 --> 08:31.860] and they get three major lawsuits a month, they will have absolutely no option [08:31.860 --> 08:38.860] but to change their practices so we don't have these challenges to bring against them. [08:38.860 --> 08:43.860] We can fix this system, and it won't take a lot of us. [08:43.860 --> 08:46.860] Anybody out there who's a researcher, you get it ready, [08:46.860 --> 08:48.860] and we'll also be able to make some money doing this. [08:48.860 --> 08:52.860] We're going to call it the rule of law school. [08:52.860 --> 08:55.860] We're going to teach people about due process, [08:55.860 --> 09:04.860] and in the process give them essentially generic documents that address the issues, [09:04.860 --> 09:08.860] the generic violations that they do. [09:08.860 --> 09:15.860] We're not going to be the least bit interested in the merits of the case. [09:15.860 --> 09:17.860] We don't care why the person was arrested. [09:17.860 --> 09:19.860] We don't care if they're innocent or guilty. [09:19.860 --> 09:22.860] We don't care about any of that. [09:22.860 --> 09:25.860] Don't even want to know, actually. [09:25.860 --> 09:33.860] All I care about and all we should care about is that once the policeman makes the arrest, [09:33.860 --> 09:42.860] he does not become a bigger criminal than the person he's arresting, that he follows law. [09:42.860 --> 09:51.860] If we get our policeman following law and prosecutors, primarily defense counsel, [09:51.860 --> 09:55.860] we'll also get the judges following law, [09:55.860 --> 10:00.860] and 90% of these problems will take care of themselves because, for the most part, [10:00.860 --> 10:09.860] every state has a rather sophisticated and well-structured body of law. [10:09.860 --> 10:10.860] Excellent. [10:10.860 --> 10:13.860] And, Randy, it looks like we do have Katherine up. [10:13.860 --> 10:14.860] Oh, wonderful. [10:14.860 --> 10:19.860] So let's go to... hold on one moment. [10:19.860 --> 10:20.860] Just one second. [10:20.860 --> 10:21.860] She's going to come back. [10:21.860 --> 10:24.860] When the pretty women call, I have to shut up. [10:24.860 --> 10:28.860] Nobody wants to hear my voice when they could hear Katherine's. [10:28.860 --> 10:30.860] I met Katherine. [10:30.860 --> 10:31.860] Okay, here she is. [10:31.860 --> 10:32.860] Here she is. [10:32.860 --> 10:33.860] Hey, guys. [10:33.860 --> 10:34.860] Hey, Katherine. [10:34.860 --> 10:35.860] Thanks for calling in. [10:35.860 --> 10:37.860] So give us the scoop. [10:37.860 --> 10:39.860] Well, I'm home. [10:39.860 --> 10:40.860] Excellent. [10:40.860 --> 10:41.860] I'm home. [10:41.860 --> 10:49.860] Yeah, it was an awesome, awesome night on Tuesday night when we all turned out to the San Marcos City Hall. [10:49.860 --> 10:55.860] This would be 300 people from the city of San Marcos and also from Austin who came down [10:55.860 --> 11:01.860] and all the way up from San Antonio to show support for the freedom movement, I would say, [11:01.860 --> 11:06.860] in the face of the threat from the microchip implant, the implantable microchip. [11:06.860 --> 11:09.860] As people who have been listening to your program will know, [11:09.860 --> 11:15.860] this is in response to the city of San Marcos passing some onerous legislation back in December [11:15.860 --> 11:23.860] that requires all animals within the city limits to have a microchip implanted into them as pets [11:23.860 --> 11:27.860] or face a $500 fine and possible criminal penalties. [11:27.860 --> 11:33.860] So we turned out en masse on Tuesday night to protest this policy. [11:33.860 --> 11:38.860] Many people testified before the San Marcos City Council at their meeting that evening. [11:38.860 --> 11:42.860] The rest of us stood outside and held a candlelight vigil. [11:42.860 --> 11:45.860] I had an opportunity to present the results of my research [11:45.860 --> 11:49.860] and findings that these microchip implants cause cancer in laboratory animals. [11:49.860 --> 11:51.860] They have caused cancer in dogs. [11:51.860 --> 11:56.860] There's a growing number of reports of cancers forming in dogs, [11:56.860 --> 12:00.860] and we know that they also have led to the death of at least one animal, [12:00.860 --> 12:03.860] Charlie Brown, the little chihuahua who bled to death last month in his owner's arms [12:03.860 --> 12:06.860] after being implanted with an RFID tag. [12:06.860 --> 12:11.860] So we presented all that information, and the bottom line, they said, [12:11.860 --> 12:14.860] yikes, we better go back and revisit this. [12:14.860 --> 12:17.860] So they are putting it back on the table. [12:17.860 --> 12:20.860] They're going to go back and reconsider the whole thing from scratch, [12:20.860 --> 12:23.860] and I believe that we have a pretty good chance of them coming back and saying, [12:23.860 --> 12:26.860] you know, let's make it voluntary instead of mandatory. [12:26.860 --> 12:27.860] All right. [12:27.860 --> 12:29.860] Yeah, it's great news. [12:29.860 --> 12:35.860] I had a meeting that afternoon with San Marcos Mayor Susan Narvaez, [12:35.860 --> 12:38.860] and it was cool because as we arrived there for the meeting, [12:38.860 --> 12:42.860] she was actually in the council chambers being interviewed by a television camera [12:42.860 --> 12:46.860] for one of the three major networks there in Austin, [12:46.860 --> 12:50.860] and you could tell she was kind of, oh, no, this again, [12:50.860 --> 12:54.860] because San Marcos has sort of been in the spotlight in the past for animal issues [12:54.860 --> 13:00.860] when that one dog died in San Marcos after a San Marcos cop detained a guy [13:00.860 --> 13:04.860] who was speeding trying to get his sick dog to the vet. [13:04.860 --> 13:08.860] Just to be a jerk, he kept the guy sitting there by the side of the road for 20 minutes [13:08.860 --> 13:12.860] while he kind of chatted and, you know, shot the breeze with his fellow officers, [13:12.860 --> 13:15.860] made a couple phone calls, and then 20 minutes later, [13:15.860 --> 13:18.860] when he finally agreed to let this guy go, and the guy, of course, was freaking out, [13:18.860 --> 13:20.860] my dog's going to die, you've got to let me go, [13:20.860 --> 13:22.860] and the guy said, you know, it's just a dog, you can get another one. [13:22.860 --> 13:25.860] It was all captured on camera. [13:25.860 --> 13:27.860] I mean, I shouldn't laugh, it's horrifying, [13:27.860 --> 13:33.860] but you kind of have to acknowledge when cops make real asses of themselves publicly, [13:33.860 --> 13:38.860] and, of course, by the time the traffic stop was over, then the dog had actually died, [13:38.860 --> 13:44.860] and so San Marcos was in the public spotlight in a bad way over an animal issue not long ago, [13:44.860 --> 13:49.860] and I could tell that the mayor was very stressed with television cameras in her face, [13:49.860 --> 13:52.860] 300 people outside chanting, no chips, no chips, [13:52.860 --> 13:55.860] but I have a feeling that, you know, [13:55.860 --> 13:59.860] they are not looking forward to lots of national publicity and attention, [13:59.860 --> 14:04.860] and what I think I'm going to follow up with next week is I think I'm going to send them a letter [14:04.860 --> 14:07.860] and just say, you know, I just want, I want to thank you [14:07.860 --> 14:09.860] because I think you're going to do the right thing, [14:09.860 --> 14:11.860] but I just want to let you know if you do the wrong thing, [14:11.860 --> 14:15.860] you're going to be so on top of it the minute one animal gets sick or dies from a chip implant, [14:15.860 --> 14:19.860] you guys are going to be not only national news, but global news. [14:19.860 --> 14:22.860] Wonderful. [14:22.860 --> 14:25.860] Well, this is what we have to do, Catherine, is that we've got to nip it in the bud, you know, [14:25.860 --> 14:29.860] and make examples out of these municipalities who want to take it to this level [14:29.860 --> 14:34.860] so that other municipalities will be like, I don't think I want to go there. [14:34.860 --> 14:35.860] Well, that's the plan, right? [14:35.860 --> 14:38.860] I mean, who really wants, I mean, if it's just, [14:38.860 --> 14:45.860] most people don't have, to use a, forgive the pun, most people don't have a dog in this race. [14:45.860 --> 14:49.860] Most people, most city council members don't really care either way. [14:49.860 --> 14:53.860] They, you know, there are people out there in the animal industry who make money off of this, [14:53.860 --> 14:57.860] who have a real reason to push it, but, you know, your average city council member, [14:57.860 --> 15:01.860] your average mayor, your average member of the Board of Supervisors, they don't really care, [15:01.860 --> 15:06.860] and if it's a choice between making some random animal control board guy happy [15:06.860 --> 15:11.860] or making a crowd of 300 chanting angry citizens, you know, outside your door, [15:11.860 --> 15:14.860] you're going to pick the path of least resistance since they know this. [15:14.860 --> 15:17.860] So I think that's why it's crucial that we have lots of, you know, [15:17.860 --> 15:22.860] there's been huge television coverage of this, lots of bloggers covering this, [15:22.860 --> 15:24.860] lots of print articles about it. [15:24.860 --> 15:28.860] I mean, this really has had a big impact and has received a lot of attention. [15:28.860 --> 15:30.860] So I think that, that is excellent news, [15:30.860 --> 15:35.860] and I think it is going to serve as a deterrent to other people doing the same thing. [15:35.860 --> 15:40.860] Catherine, do you think that there's any chance that any of these city council members [15:40.860 --> 15:42.860] or mayors in any of these municipalities [15:42.860 --> 15:45.860] are actually getting some kind of kickback from the RFID companies? [15:45.860 --> 15:48.860] You know, the one that I have questions about, [15:48.860 --> 15:52.860] and if anybody just has an itch to do a little bit of research tonight, [15:52.860 --> 15:57.860] it's Zev Yaroslavsky, Zev, Z-E-V, Yaroslavsky. [15:57.860 --> 15:59.860] I'm not quite sure how to spell that, [15:59.860 --> 16:04.860] but he is a member of the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors. [16:04.860 --> 16:09.860] LA County was one of the first places to implement this mandatory microchipping, [16:09.860 --> 16:16.860] and they spent enormous sums of money on, quote, unquote, public education around it, [16:16.860 --> 16:19.860] huge sums of taxpayer dollars doing all kinds of, I mean, [16:19.860 --> 16:24.860] printing flyers and mailing them to people and putting up posters and ads on the radio. [16:24.860 --> 16:25.860] I mean, it was like, whoa. [16:25.860 --> 16:27.860] Disinfo, disinfo big time. [16:27.860 --> 16:29.860] Yeah, and so you kind of have to ask yourself, [16:29.860 --> 16:36.860] why would the County Board of Supervisors in Los Angeles care at all about this issue? [16:36.860 --> 16:39.860] So he's one that I really do have a question about, [16:39.860 --> 16:44.860] so I really couldn't say, but he's one that I do want to look into. [16:44.860 --> 16:47.860] Now, the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors is important [16:47.860 --> 16:51.860] because not only did they pass this ordinance and spend all this money, [16:51.860 --> 16:57.860] but the penalties that they've put in place in Los Angeles County for refusal [16:57.860 --> 17:01.860] are really, they're tyrannical. [17:01.860 --> 17:06.860] You have 30 days from the time they discover that your pet is not implanted. [17:06.860 --> 17:09.860] You have just 30 days to do the implant. [17:09.860 --> 17:11.860] And if after 30 days you have failed to do so, [17:11.860 --> 17:15.860] they can put you in jail for up to six months. [17:15.860 --> 17:18.860] And, you know, I'm looking at that going, well, wait a minute, hang on, [17:18.860 --> 17:21.860] six months in jail for brutally slaughtering your animal, [17:21.860 --> 17:25.860] beating your animal to a pulp, then, yeah, maybe I could see that. [17:25.860 --> 17:27.860] Obviously you're a person with a violence issue [17:27.860 --> 17:29.860] and you probably shouldn't be on the streets. [17:29.860 --> 17:33.860] But six months in jail for refusing to allow a veterinarian [17:33.860 --> 17:38.860] to jab a big old honking microchip into a living being's body, [17:38.860 --> 17:42.860] that seems like a really bad abuse of power there. [17:42.860 --> 17:43.860] Yeah, I would say so. [17:43.860 --> 17:47.860] And, Katherine, we also, it's come to my attention that we also have an issue [17:47.860 --> 17:50.860] here in Austin concerning chipping of animals. [17:50.860 --> 17:57.860] We had a caller call in last show who was saying that if your dog gets picked up [17:57.860 --> 18:01.860] by the pound, let's say your dog gets out and gets picked up by the pound, [18:01.860 --> 18:06.860] you can't get your dog back until you agree to have it implanted with a chip. [18:06.860 --> 18:08.860] Well, here's the tragic thing. [18:08.860 --> 18:13.860] So I do a daily radio show on 90.1 FM right there in Austin from 3 to 5. [18:13.860 --> 18:15.860] I'm on right after Alex Jones every day. [18:15.860 --> 18:20.860] And on today's show we actually had a gentleman call in, John Lockridge, [18:20.860 --> 18:21.860] who's a friend of mine. [18:21.860 --> 18:26.860] We were at a protest together down in Dallas that I held against RFID [18:26.860 --> 18:28.860] at a Wal-Mart a couple years ago. [18:28.860 --> 18:29.860] Anyway, he calls me. [18:29.860 --> 18:31.860] He lives in a suburb of Dallas. [18:31.860 --> 18:33.860] And he calls me up this afternoon. [18:33.860 --> 18:34.860] He says, Katherine, I need your help. [18:34.860 --> 18:36.860] They picked up my dog. [18:36.860 --> 18:38.860] My dog is in the animal shelter right now. [18:38.860 --> 18:39.860] My dog got out of my house. [18:39.860 --> 18:40.860] My kids let him out. [18:40.860 --> 18:41.860] He ran down the road. [18:41.860 --> 18:44.860] Somebody picked him up, took him to the animal shelter. [18:44.860 --> 18:46.860] He's only been there a couple hours. [18:46.860 --> 18:52.860] But I cannot get him back because there's an ordinance in my town that says [18:52.860 --> 18:54.860] that if an animal is at the animal shelter, [18:54.860 --> 18:57.860] they cannot be released without a microchip implanted in them. [18:57.860 --> 19:02.860] And not only that, but he gets to pay $25 for the privilege of them doing it. [19:02.860 --> 19:07.860] So he has religious objections to RFID microchip implantation, [19:07.860 --> 19:10.860] Christian objections around issues of the market of beasts. [19:10.860 --> 19:13.860] And he does not want his dog to be microchipped. [19:13.860 --> 19:15.860] So he's now looking for a lawyer. [19:15.860 --> 19:18.860] In fact, Randi, I was thinking of asking you this question on the air here. [19:18.860 --> 19:22.860] He's looking for a lawyer to represent him and see how he can get his dog back. [19:22.860 --> 19:26.860] He doesn't want his dog to be stuck there for months while he tries to, you know, [19:26.860 --> 19:27.860] deal with this through the legal system. [19:27.860 --> 19:31.860] But he also doesn't want to show up with $25 and have his dog chipped. [19:31.860 --> 19:38.860] This religious objection has become a very big deal. [19:38.860 --> 19:47.860] The Supreme Court recently held that a Brazilian tribe who was importing [19:47.860 --> 19:53.860] hallucinogenic mushrooms by the 50-gallon barrel, [19:53.860 --> 20:01.860] the feds dropped down on them and they fought it on religious grounds. [20:01.860 --> 20:06.860] And the Supreme Court said you cannot interfere. [20:06.860 --> 20:13.860] So if you have a religious argument and the government weighs its sovereign [20:13.860 --> 20:20.860] immunity on violations of a person's religious beliefs, [20:20.860 --> 20:22.860] this has become a very big deal. [20:22.860 --> 20:25.860] He should be able to stop it on that one. [20:25.860 --> 20:29.860] What, I mean, I guess the problem he's facing is, you know, [20:29.860 --> 20:32.860] this is not just a piece of property. [20:32.860 --> 20:34.860] This is his dog. [20:34.860 --> 20:37.860] And, you know, it's a family member who's now in custody. [20:37.860 --> 20:40.860] Would it be possible to get a judge to say, [20:40.860 --> 20:42.860] hey, you can have your dog back while we resolve this? [20:42.860 --> 20:45.860] Yes, emergency restraining order. [20:45.860 --> 20:47.860] So how would he go about filing that? [20:47.860 --> 20:49.860] Is this somebody you could talk to, Randy, because I was thinking, [20:49.860 --> 20:51.860] I don't know how to handle this, but Randy Kelton. [20:51.860 --> 20:57.860] Yes, and I have someone in Dallas who could certainly help him. [20:57.860 --> 21:00.860] Well, he needs help and I don't know that he has, you know, [21:00.860 --> 21:03.860] I don't know his circumstances, but I'm assuming he probably doesn't have, [21:03.860 --> 21:06.860] you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars to throw at this either. [21:06.860 --> 21:07.860] We won't need that. [21:07.860 --> 21:11.860] A simple motion for emergency restraining order, [21:11.860 --> 21:16.860] they may want him to put up a $500 or $1,000 bond. [21:16.860 --> 21:19.860] In case he loses, he has to pay the other side's attorney fees. [21:19.860 --> 21:20.860] Okay. [21:20.860 --> 21:23.860] But he may be able to even get out of that. [21:23.860 --> 21:29.860] Since it's a dog, it's not a major lawsuit. [21:29.860 --> 21:33.860] And if you happen to get a judge who likes animals, [21:33.860 --> 21:42.860] which most of them probably do because they're pretty close kin anyway. [21:42.860 --> 21:44.860] Emergency restraining order is relatively simple, [21:44.860 --> 21:48.860] and this is the kind of thing it's designed for, [21:48.860 --> 21:53.860] because once you've chipped the dog, the bell is rung. [21:53.860 --> 21:56.860] The harm to the dog is done. [21:56.860 --> 22:00.860] Taking the chip out is likely to be more invasive than putting it in. [22:00.860 --> 22:02.860] Oh, yeah, very much more so. [22:02.860 --> 22:06.860] Yeah, taking a chip out, I don't even recommend it, and I oppose these things. [22:06.860 --> 22:12.860] So this is the kind of thing emergency restraining orders are designed to handle. [22:12.860 --> 22:17.860] It keeps them from doing something that can't be fixed later. [22:17.860 --> 22:18.860] I gotcha. [22:18.860 --> 22:19.860] Okay. [22:19.860 --> 22:20.860] It only has to do is write it up. [22:20.860 --> 22:22.860] It doesn't have to be real complex, [22:22.860 --> 22:26.860] and it takes it down to the court clerk and hands it to the clerk, [22:26.860 --> 22:30.860] and she'll generally either take it to the judge herself or give it back to him, [22:30.860 --> 22:32.860] and he will take it directly to the judge. [22:32.860 --> 22:42.860] The only thing that will come before it is a writ of habeas corpus or a writ of mandamus. [22:42.860 --> 22:44.860] This is an emergency writ, [22:44.860 --> 22:47.860] so the only thing that comes before it is something of a higher emergency, [22:47.860 --> 22:51.860] and that's generally for the most part habeas corpus. [22:51.860 --> 22:54.860] So if there's no habeas corpus in front of the judge, [22:54.860 --> 22:57.860] he'll stop whatever he's doing and hear your motion. [22:57.860 --> 23:01.860] It takes about 30 seconds and 90% of the time. [23:01.860 --> 23:04.860] What they'll do is sign the restraining order, [23:04.860 --> 23:11.860] and it will restrain them from doing anything for up to 14 days [23:11.860 --> 23:13.860] to give time for a show cause hearing. [23:13.860 --> 23:18.860] Now, will he get his dog back into his custody during that span of time? [23:18.860 --> 23:23.860] Hard to say. Most likely, yes. [23:23.860 --> 23:32.860] If there's no threat of the dog disappearing or being harmed, then most likely, yes. [23:32.860 --> 23:37.860] But possibly not because if it gives him the dog back, [23:37.860 --> 23:39.860] then the pound doesn't have him anymore, [23:39.860 --> 23:47.860] so the whole issue of chipping him becomes moot because they don't have it anymore to chip it. [23:47.860 --> 23:49.860] Well, they could always come pick it up again. [23:49.860 --> 23:51.860] Well, that's what may be much more difficult. [23:51.860 --> 23:58.860] Once he has it, then they have to jump through major hoops to get it back. [23:58.860 --> 24:01.860] As it should be, in my opinion. [24:01.860 --> 24:05.860] So there's a possibility the judge would be reluctant to release it [24:05.860 --> 24:09.860] because it is in the hands of the pound. [24:09.860 --> 24:12.860] Couldn't he get it out on bail? [24:12.860 --> 24:18.860] Most likely he would if he could show that the pound is not a healthy place for critters. [24:18.860 --> 24:23.860] It's not as healthy as being at home, I mean, psychologically. [24:23.860 --> 24:30.860] The disease and what do they call it, kennel cough, [24:30.860 --> 24:34.860] it's so common there that it's a dangerous place for the animal. [24:34.860 --> 24:37.860] So a good chance he'll send it home on the promise to this guy that [24:37.860 --> 24:44.860] if the ruling goes against him that he will abide by it and fight about it later. [24:44.860 --> 24:48.860] But yeah, emergency restraining order shouldn't be difficult. [24:48.860 --> 24:49.860] Okay. [24:49.860 --> 24:52.860] Catherine, I wanted to ask you one other thing, too. [24:52.860 --> 25:00.860] Going back to kickbacks, if the city council people are not getting kickbacks directly, personally, [25:00.860 --> 25:07.860] do you know or what would be the chances that these RFID companies are giving kickbacks to the cities themselves, [25:07.860 --> 25:09.860] like for the city municipal funds? [25:09.860 --> 25:11.860] Yeah, these are questions. [25:11.860 --> 25:14.860] Yeah, these are things that I don't know. [25:14.860 --> 25:16.860] There's usually money involved on some level. [25:16.860 --> 25:19.860] We know, for example, that in Southern California, [25:19.860 --> 25:25.860] when they came up with this plan of putting RFID tags around the kids' necks in the school [25:25.860 --> 25:30.860] to track when they got on and off of buses and in and out of classrooms, [25:30.860 --> 25:33.860] when they scratched the surface and a parent objected, [25:33.860 --> 25:36.860] and Michelle Tetreault actually was the one who did that, and she said, [25:36.860 --> 25:38.860] you know, I don't approve of this. [25:38.860 --> 25:42.860] And she looked into it and she discovered that the superintendent of the schools, [25:42.860 --> 25:46.860] who was also the principal of the school, had a, I don't know, it was like a brother-in-law [25:46.860 --> 25:51.860] who was the owner of the company that was going to stand and make the profits from the contract. [25:51.860 --> 25:53.860] So, you know, oftentimes that's what's going on. [25:53.860 --> 25:58.860] We know that in Spring County, Texas, right there in the Spring School District, [25:58.860 --> 26:00.860] which I think is a suburb of Dallas, [26:00.860 --> 26:05.860] when they came out with their plan to put RFID tags in RFID readers in the buses [26:05.860 --> 26:11.860] and RFID tags on the kids, that it turned out that the head of their, [26:11.860 --> 26:16.860] or one of the members of their school board was a senior executive with Texas Instruments [26:16.860 --> 26:18.860] in their RFID division. [26:18.860 --> 26:23.860] So, you know, so often it's not that there's a direct kickback, [26:23.860 --> 26:28.860] but there's some connection somewhere where somebody sought to influence someone [26:28.860 --> 26:32.860] in a position of influence because it was going to further their agenda. [26:32.860 --> 26:34.860] And that gets a little bit harder to prove. [26:34.860 --> 26:38.860] You know, it gets hard to say, well, gee, my sister-in-law's friend, you know, [26:38.860 --> 26:40.860] whatever, is the one who's pushing for this. [26:40.860 --> 26:44.860] Oh, do I have a tool for you? [26:44.860 --> 26:48.860] Texas rules the Civil Procedure 202. [26:48.860 --> 26:54.860] It's pre-litigation discovery to preserve evidence. [26:54.860 --> 27:02.860] If you have reason to believe that you have cause for a suit but you're not certain, [27:02.860 --> 27:06.860] you can petition the court for pre-litigation discovery. [27:06.860 --> 27:12.860] And the court's like this because you're looking to see if there's sufficient evidence [27:12.860 --> 27:21.860] or if you have a case that you could win before you actually involve the court. [27:21.860 --> 27:25.860] So the court will authorize pre-litigation discovery. [27:25.860 --> 27:29.860] You could wind a city council's clock. [27:29.860 --> 27:31.860] Oh, how do we do that? [27:31.860 --> 27:32.860] Oh, piece of cake. [27:32.860 --> 27:38.860] You have to go down and pay a filing fee just like you were filing the civil suit. [27:38.860 --> 27:45.860] And then a cause is created and it's just a petition for pre-litigation discovery. [27:45.860 --> 27:53.860] It's not a complaint in the form of a petition to the court. [27:53.860 --> 27:57.860] So let's say we want to, we know that there's one person within the city of San Marcos [27:57.860 --> 28:01.860] that has been really pushing for this aggressively. [28:01.860 --> 28:07.860] So how would we use this particular pre-litigation discovery process to try to find out [28:07.860 --> 28:11.860] if that person has some financial interest in the RFID market? [28:11.860 --> 28:16.860] Full financial disclosure on his part, full financial statement. [28:16.860 --> 28:20.860] Tony Davis is doing that to judges. [28:20.860 --> 28:22.860] First thing he wants to see is a complete financial statement [28:22.860 --> 28:25.860] to see if he has any financial interest. [28:25.860 --> 28:32.860] And since the individual is a public official, he can't complain. [28:32.860 --> 28:34.860] He can't say, oh, no, that's private. [28:34.860 --> 28:36.860] No, you're a public official. [28:36.860 --> 28:38.860] That's not private. [28:38.860 --> 28:42.860] So you could go in, you couldn't get it with open records, [28:42.860 --> 28:46.860] but you could get it with pre-litigation discovery. [28:46.860 --> 28:47.860] Interesting. [28:47.860 --> 29:01.860] Just mentioning pre-litigation discovery will give them apoplexy because discovery is an art form. [29:01.860 --> 29:11.860] Requests for admissions will make them crazy, especially if you ask them artfully. [29:11.860 --> 29:17.860] And the requests for productions, that's okay, and interrogatories are okay, [29:17.860 --> 29:23.860] but requests for admissions, it's like walking through a minefield. [29:23.860 --> 29:27.860] And when I had a sheriff's deputy try to kill me a few years ago, [29:27.860 --> 29:33.860] the 66th admission he got wrong. [29:33.860 --> 29:36.860] What does that mean? [29:36.860 --> 29:45.860] I asked both officers about 90 questions or gave him 90 admissions. [29:45.860 --> 29:48.860] And I asked one to admit something, and he denied it. [29:48.860 --> 29:50.860] The other one admitted it. [29:50.860 --> 29:52.860] Exact same question. [29:52.860 --> 29:55.860] And it was critical. [29:55.860 --> 29:59.860] Gotcha, Bubba. [29:59.860 --> 30:06.860] But when you start pounding them with discovery, [30:06.860 --> 30:13.860] not only does it get good information from them and force them to answer, [30:13.860 --> 30:18.860] but it lets them know for sure that you mean business. [30:18.860 --> 30:26.860] And that's like 125 or 175, depending on what the jurisdiction is to file the suit. [30:26.860 --> 30:29.860] And I couldn't think of anything that would be more powerful, [30:29.860 --> 30:33.860] especially if you're doing this on a regular basis. [30:33.860 --> 30:43.860] You have all of your discovery already prepared, and you just walk in and file and drop it on them. [30:43.860 --> 30:49.860] And now you've got these guys jumping up and down and running around trying to gather up all this information you need [30:49.860 --> 30:53.860] before they get charged with contempt to court. [30:53.860 --> 30:57.860] The admissions, they got 30 days. [30:57.860 --> 30:59.860] They don't have it in 30 days. [30:59.860 --> 31:01.860] They admit everything. [31:01.860 --> 31:07.860] Anything they don't deny within 30 days, they admit as a matter of law. [31:07.860 --> 31:13.860] If you ask them under admissions, if your mother-in-law weighs 972 pounds, [31:13.860 --> 31:19.860] if she may weigh 50 pounds, and they don't answer that, they don't deny it, [31:19.860 --> 31:25.860] as a matter of law, she weighs 952 pounds, and it cannot be challenged. [31:25.860 --> 31:29.860] And you follow it up as soon as they don't answer. [31:29.860 --> 31:37.860] Then you file a judicial notice on each admission that they didn't deny. [31:37.860 --> 31:40.860] And now it cannot be challenged in court, period. [31:40.860 --> 31:44.860] It's a fact as a matter of law. [31:44.860 --> 31:47.860] So let me ask you this, though. [31:47.860 --> 31:52.860] Let us say that it did emerge that, just for the sake of argument, [31:52.860 --> 31:59.860] that Zaviaroslavsky or one of the members of the City Council of San Marcos or someone had a financial interest [31:59.860 --> 32:01.860] and a financial stake in this company. [32:01.860 --> 32:04.860] Is that an offense? [32:04.860 --> 32:07.860] Not necessarily. [32:07.860 --> 32:11.860] It is cause to disqualify him. [32:11.860 --> 32:13.860] And then you just simply move. [32:13.860 --> 32:19.860] Then you follow up the discovery with a suit for injunctive relief. [32:19.860 --> 32:29.860] Now, for the most part, public officials are immune from civil litigation for monetary damages, [32:29.860 --> 32:33.860] but they have no immunity for injunctive relief. [32:33.860 --> 32:45.860] So if one of them is compromised and the rest of them didn't force him to stand aside, [32:45.860 --> 32:48.860] then they're all compromised. [32:48.860 --> 32:53.860] And you would maintain that they're all acting in concert and collusion [32:53.860 --> 32:57.860] and move the court for restraining order to stop them from doing this. [32:57.860 --> 33:09.860] Because once they do it, once they institute the statute because of this unlawful influence, [33:09.860 --> 33:12.860] now the crime's committed. [33:12.860 --> 33:18.860] So you can ask the judge to issue a restraining order to stop them, to keep them from committing the crime. [33:18.860 --> 33:19.860] I gotcha. [33:19.860 --> 33:21.860] You probably get that every time. [33:21.860 --> 33:28.860] Well, this sounds like maybe one possibility that if the City Council there in San Marcos continues along its road, [33:28.860 --> 33:29.860] then that's one option. [33:29.860 --> 33:38.860] And certainly in this community outside of Dallas, to find out why it is that they've been pushing for this might be very interesting. [33:38.860 --> 33:40.860] It is very powerful. [33:40.860 --> 33:43.860] I met a friend in Milford, Texas. [33:43.860 --> 33:48.860] His wife got stopped and arrested for a bad check. [33:48.860 --> 33:57.860] It was a bad check her sister wrote on an account that his wife had closed seven years ago. [33:57.860 --> 34:02.860] She found the checkbook, went out writing checks, and spent two years in prison for it. [34:02.860 --> 34:03.860] Whoa. [34:03.860 --> 34:11.860] Ten years later, they arrest his wife on one of these bogus warrants that have been hanging around all this time. [34:11.860 --> 34:14.860] So he's fretting, wondering what to do. [34:14.860 --> 34:18.860] And I said, well, send the City Council a tort letter. [34:18.860 --> 34:23.860] He sent them a tort letter, and three City Council members resigned immediately. [34:23.860 --> 34:24.860] What do you mean? [34:24.860 --> 34:25.860] They left. [34:25.860 --> 34:27.860] They didn't want anything to do with it. [34:27.860 --> 34:28.860] Why? I don't get it. [34:28.860 --> 34:30.860] They resigned because she got charged with a crime? [34:30.860 --> 34:32.860] No, he sent a tort letter. [34:32.860 --> 34:33.860] What is that? [34:33.860 --> 34:42.860] Before you can file civil litigation, you have to notify the city or the county that you've been harmed. [34:42.860 --> 34:49.860] In general, you have to give them 60 days to make you whole before you can file suit. [34:49.860 --> 35:00.860] And in any civil action, the court says, we don't want you to use the court as the remedy of first resort. [35:00.860 --> 35:03.860] We want you to use the court as the remedy of last resort. [35:03.860 --> 35:06.860] So you have to exhaust your administrative remedies. [35:06.860 --> 35:17.860] And if someone has harmed you, the very least you should do is give them notice that you've been harmed, an opportunity to make you whole. [35:17.860 --> 35:19.860] Send them a bill, so to speak. [35:19.860 --> 35:22.860] Tort letters are so powerful. [35:22.860 --> 35:25.860] And you don't have to call it a tort letter. [35:25.860 --> 35:31.860] You just send them a letter telling them that you've been harmed and showing how you've been harmed. [35:31.860 --> 35:33.860] And asking for recompense. [35:33.860 --> 35:35.860] Yeah, I'm just prepared one for someone. [35:35.860 --> 35:36.860] It'll come up around 10. [35:36.860 --> 35:38.860] And they'll know it's a tort letter. [35:38.860 --> 35:41.860] Yeah, they'll look at it and say, well, what is this? [35:41.860 --> 35:42.860] They'll give it to their attorney. [35:42.860 --> 35:46.860] And their attorney, all these little red warning buzzers will start going off. [35:46.860 --> 35:49.860] Warning, warning. [35:49.860 --> 35:53.860] Oh, you just got me thinking about something here. [35:53.860 --> 35:54.860] Let me ask you this. [35:54.860 --> 36:12.860] The dog that died in Los Angeles County, this Charlie Brown, who bled to death, whose owners did not want to chip him and yet were forced to chip him because of that Los Angeles County ordinance that would have put them in jail for six months if they did not chip him. [36:12.860 --> 36:14.860] And then he bled to death because of that. [36:14.860 --> 36:16.860] Do they have grounds for a lawsuit? [36:16.860 --> 36:18.860] Oh, absolutely. [36:18.860 --> 36:19.860] Absolutely. [36:19.860 --> 36:20.860] Yeah. [36:20.860 --> 36:21.860] Oh, way. [36:21.860 --> 36:25.860] Their ordinance was the proximate cause. [36:25.860 --> 36:28.860] Yeah, they should send a tort letter to the city council. [36:28.860 --> 36:39.860] And since the city instituted the ordinance, the city had a duty to ensure that compliance with the ordinance was safe. [36:39.860 --> 36:43.860] And they failed to do that. [36:43.860 --> 37:06.860] So rather you could actually get monetary damages, it's a good grounds for a suit for injunctive relief to order the city to either make absolutely certain no dog is harmed ever or rescind the ordinance. [37:06.860 --> 37:07.860] Cool. [37:07.860 --> 37:10.860] Can you help us write one? [37:10.860 --> 37:12.860] It's made by night, Randy. [37:12.860 --> 37:14.860] Didn't that one? [37:14.860 --> 37:16.860] Yes, I can. [37:16.860 --> 37:19.860] Oh, wouldn't that be a blast? [37:19.860 --> 37:21.860] Can you imagine the press release already? [37:21.860 --> 37:32.860] And this will lend a lot more credence to your protest, especially if you get everyone in town with a dog to send them one. [37:32.860 --> 37:36.860] It's one thing to send them a little petition with everybody's name on it. [37:36.860 --> 37:46.860] The whole other animal, when they start getting two, three, four hundred tort letters, registered mail, you're going to have everybody's attention. [37:46.860 --> 37:54.860] And I know that all of our organizers in San Marcos are sitting by their radios right now listening to this program because they sent out an announcement. [37:54.860 --> 37:56.860] They know I'm on the show. [37:56.860 --> 38:05.860] And guys, if the city council there in San Marcos doesn't do the right thing, it looks like we may have a remedy. [38:05.860 --> 38:06.860] Yeah. [38:06.860 --> 38:14.860] If you tell them Randy Kelton sent you, they may run out and grab you and throw you in jail. [38:14.860 --> 38:22.860] The last time I was in San Marcos, I asked the bailiffs to arrest the district clerk. [38:22.860 --> 38:24.860] What happened? [38:24.860 --> 38:38.860] I asked to see some records and she knew the records had documents missing from them and knew I was looking for those documents to not be there. [38:38.860 --> 38:46.860] And when I found them not there, I was going to file a felony term for the government document against the magistrate who didn't put them there. [38:46.860 --> 38:50.860] And she refused to show me the records. [38:50.860 --> 38:54.860] So I said, wait right here. [38:54.860 --> 38:55.860] Don't go anywhere. [38:55.860 --> 38:58.860] Somebody's going to want to talk to you when I've got security. [38:58.860 --> 39:01.860] I need you to come in here and arrest the district clerk. [39:01.860 --> 39:03.860] He said, I can't arrest the district clerk. [39:03.860 --> 39:04.860] Sure you can. [39:04.860 --> 39:08.860] Just go in there and throw the cuffs on her and drag her off to jail. [39:08.860 --> 39:09.860] Heck, you sit out here all day doing nothing. [39:09.860 --> 39:10.860] It's boring. [39:10.860 --> 39:11.860] They give you a little excitement. [39:11.860 --> 39:14.860] I don't need any excitement. [39:14.860 --> 39:18.860] It got real exciting. [39:18.860 --> 39:21.860] They wouldn't do it, so I called the local police and they sent some police out. [39:21.860 --> 39:26.860] We just had a major wing ding down there. [39:26.860 --> 39:28.860] So what finally happened? [39:28.860 --> 39:30.860] What a story. [39:30.860 --> 39:32.860] She got the records. [39:32.860 --> 39:37.860] You know, Randy, I am so glad that I'm on the same team as you. [39:37.860 --> 39:39.860] You would scare the bejeebers out of me. [39:39.860 --> 39:42.860] You would have zero problem with me. [39:42.860 --> 39:43.860] You're not a criminal. [39:43.860 --> 39:46.860] You're not self-righteous and arrogant. [39:46.860 --> 39:48.860] You would never have a problem with me. [39:48.860 --> 39:52.860] Most of the time. [39:52.860 --> 39:55.860] I'm well known in the county I live in. [39:55.860 --> 40:03.860] I called a sergeant on the DPS one day and I said, Sergeant Rankin, you know your officer Hilton stopped me out there on 287 this morning? [40:03.860 --> 40:05.860] He said, yes, Mr. Kelton, I know. [40:05.860 --> 40:10.860] And you know, he wrote me two tickets. [40:10.860 --> 40:12.860] He said, yes, Mr. Kelton, I know. [40:12.860 --> 40:16.860] And you know, Sergeant, I was my usual obnoxious and demanding self. [40:16.860 --> 40:19.860] Yes, Mr. Kelton, I know. [40:19.860 --> 40:24.860] And I just wanted to tell you how much I appreciated Officer Hilton. [40:24.860 --> 40:25.860] He got smart with me. [40:25.860 --> 40:27.860] I crawled right down his throat. [40:27.860 --> 40:34.860] He gathered up all his professionalism, did his job, didn't do anything extra. [40:34.860 --> 40:41.860] If I need someone with a pistol, I want you to send him because I will trust him. [40:41.860 --> 40:44.860] And the sergeant hated me. [40:44.860 --> 40:47.860] And that made it even worse. [40:47.860 --> 40:48.860] Right. [40:48.860 --> 40:55.860] But that's any official that just follows the hall will have zero problem for me. [40:55.860 --> 40:58.860] And you would never have a problem with me. [40:58.860 --> 40:59.860] All right. [40:59.860 --> 41:05.860] Well, that's good to know at least because I'm telling you, it sounds like your enemies regret it real quick. [41:05.860 --> 41:11.860] But we are getting much better at stinging them good. [41:11.860 --> 41:14.860] Getting a lot done is what we're doing. [41:14.860 --> 41:18.860] And tortletters is a very powerful way. [41:18.860 --> 41:25.860] Tortletters are really a great idea because you let them know very quickly [41:25.860 --> 41:34.860] and you let them know in a very polite way that I'm going to give you big trouble. [41:34.860 --> 41:40.860] And we're going to have ourselves a really good fight if you're not careful. [41:40.860 --> 41:45.860] But it's not like when you file a suit, they kind of feel like they have to fight you. [41:45.860 --> 41:49.860] But a tortletter kind of gives them fair warning. [41:49.860 --> 41:58.860] And now they've got opportunity to back up and look at the situation and decide how important is this. [41:58.860 --> 42:06.860] And it's very biblical too because even in the Bible it says it's better to resolve the conflict with your adversary before you get to court. [42:06.860 --> 42:11.860] Well, and actually in Proverbs it says that if you have a problem with someone, [42:11.860 --> 42:15.860] you have to go to them and tell them about the problem before you bring in a third party. [42:15.860 --> 42:16.860] Right. [42:16.860 --> 42:18.860] You have to confront them directly. [42:18.860 --> 42:22.860] That's a pretty biblical concept as well that you're not supposed to go off telling somebody else [42:22.860 --> 42:25.860] before you've tried to resolve it with the party in question. [42:25.860 --> 42:29.860] So yeah, that definitely works for me. [42:29.860 --> 42:31.860] So let me in sum here, we've got three cases going on. [42:31.860 --> 42:35.860] We've got San Marco City Council, which may or may not do the right thing. [42:35.860 --> 42:38.860] I hope that they will and I have every confidence that they will. [42:38.860 --> 42:40.860] But if they don't, we've got to back up. [42:40.860 --> 42:49.860] We've got my friend John Lockridge in Dallas with his dog currently in jail right now, [42:49.860 --> 42:52.860] maybe getting kennel cough and who knows what else is happening to that horrible dog. [42:52.860 --> 42:54.860] He's there in the dark right now in a kennel. [42:54.860 --> 42:55.860] That's a horrible thought. [42:55.860 --> 42:57.860] He needs to get his dog out. [42:57.860 --> 43:01.860] And then we've got the dog who actually bled to death and died because of compliance [43:01.860 --> 43:06.860] with a mandatory ordinance that these people didn't want to comply with. [43:06.860 --> 43:11.860] So it sounds like in each of those cases there may be a legal remedy for the people involved. [43:11.860 --> 43:18.860] Yes, and the remedy, by just pursuing the remedy, [43:18.860 --> 43:23.860] will act as a major deterrent to other municipalities. [43:23.860 --> 43:27.860] They're not going to want to get in these kinds of pickles. [43:27.860 --> 43:29.860] Okay, I absolutely agree. [43:29.860 --> 43:33.860] And that seems like a case, like a situation where you really want to do lots of press releases [43:33.860 --> 43:41.860] and have it on public notice that this is the approach that we're going to be taking on these issues. [43:41.860 --> 43:42.860] I have a suggestion. [43:42.860 --> 43:43.860] Please. [43:43.860 --> 43:45.860] Put up a website. [43:45.860 --> 43:51.860] You don't have to have anything on the website except this tort letter. [43:51.860 --> 43:55.860] And across the top of the tort letter in the header, [43:55.860 --> 44:04.860] put the names of each city council member and just post it on the web so that if you do it right, [44:04.860 --> 44:15.860] when someone does a search for this person's name, they'll get a hit right on that document. [44:15.860 --> 44:16.860] Oh, my goodness. [44:16.860 --> 44:19.860] We're going to be doing this with bar grievances and judicial conduct complaints. [44:19.860 --> 44:24.860] Yeah, and if you know how to use Google keywords and such, you know, sorry about the Google thing, [44:24.860 --> 44:28.860] but if you know how to use search term keywords, [44:28.860 --> 44:32.860] then you can really boost your rankings on the search engines and a lot of people will see it. [44:32.860 --> 44:34.860] That's a great point. [44:34.860 --> 44:41.860] The thing that makes this powerful is your name, your particular name would come up often, [44:41.860 --> 44:48.860] but if you're a city council member in Podunk, Texas, your name's probably not all over the Internet. [44:48.860 --> 44:49.860] That's right. [44:49.860 --> 44:51.860] But it will be. [44:51.860 --> 44:52.860] Yeah. [44:52.860 --> 44:56.860] If you post a document, it's going to look at that first page and see what's on it. [44:56.860 --> 44:58.860] That's the one it scans. [44:58.860 --> 45:01.860] And if this person's name's at the top of that first document, [45:01.860 --> 45:05.860] the web crawl is going to hit on it immediately and pop it right up. [45:05.860 --> 45:06.860] That's right. [45:06.860 --> 45:12.860] And with bar grievances, judicial conduct complaints, we're going to drive them crazy with it. [45:12.860 --> 45:13.860] Wow. [45:13.860 --> 45:15.860] Wow. [45:15.860 --> 45:24.860] And when the city council member or even the city itself finds that every search for the city, [45:24.860 --> 45:31.860] instead of getting a hit on their website, gets a hit on this really derogatory letter, [45:31.860 --> 45:34.860] they start changing their attitudes. [45:34.860 --> 45:35.860] Absolutely. [45:35.860 --> 45:36.860] Well, good. [45:36.860 --> 45:39.860] Well, this was fun. [45:39.860 --> 45:44.860] Usually I go on the radio and I inform other people, but this was a great experience. [45:44.860 --> 45:47.860] I actually got informed this time around. [45:47.860 --> 45:49.860] You know, I'm checking my email here. [45:49.860 --> 45:50.860] This is shocking. [45:50.860 --> 45:54.860] I'm getting emails from Lisa Wilson, who's our volunteer there in Austin, [45:54.860 --> 46:00.860] who coordinated the whole Austin side of this event and has worked around the clock and still working even now. [46:00.860 --> 46:05.860] She just sent me this article, mandatory microchipping makes its way from New York to Australia. [46:05.860 --> 46:07.860] Is your dog microchipped, your cat? [46:07.860 --> 46:09.860] Good for you if they are. [46:09.860 --> 46:10.860] What am I reading, man? [46:10.860 --> 46:14.860] Doolittler.com, like Doolittle, I guess. [46:14.860 --> 46:17.860] But how would you feel if the government required you to microchip? [46:17.860 --> 46:20.860] And what if he mandated her microchip number be registered to the state? [46:20.860 --> 46:21.860] Then it goes on. [46:21.860 --> 46:28.860] Last year there was a proposal in New York state to require mandatory microchips for all dogs in the state of New York. [46:28.860 --> 46:31.860] And then they have this whole list of reasons why. [46:31.860 --> 46:39.860] You know, this is very, this argument, and you know, Randi, you earlier said that the judge may be a pet lover. [46:39.860 --> 46:45.860] In my experience, it's often the pet lovers who are the ones who want this mandatory microchipping. [46:45.860 --> 46:50.860] That's because they're only hearing one side of the story. [46:50.860 --> 46:58.860] When they hear about dogs bleeding to death from it and getting cancer from it, and you know, when you talk about it, [46:58.860 --> 47:08.860] I was taken with your presentation because of the, just the reasonable nature of putting a collar on your dog. [47:08.860 --> 47:15.860] I mean, we've done that for hundreds of years, and it really worked well. [47:15.860 --> 47:16.860] It wasn't very complex. [47:16.860 --> 47:19.860] Yeah, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. [47:19.860 --> 47:24.860] The, this microchipping is just not necessary. [47:24.860 --> 47:27.860] And your presentation was good. [47:27.860 --> 47:32.860] A collar on a dog is seldom going to kill a dog, unless he happens to get hung on a fence or something. [47:32.860 --> 47:38.860] It's not going to fall off that much either because I've heard that argument too. Collars generally do not fall off dogs. [47:38.860 --> 47:42.860] They don't fall off as often as the microchips fail. [47:42.860 --> 47:51.860] Right, and I think just common sense, you know, pet ownership, you know, if we, if we're aware of it and paying attention to these issues, [47:51.860 --> 47:57.860] then yeah, I mean, we can keep, in fact, that was my big advice today to all my listeners, and I'll give it to your listeners as well. [47:57.860 --> 47:59.860] Do you have a dog? Do you have a cat? [47:59.860 --> 48:06.860] I want you, as soon as you get off the air here, as soon as you, or if you're near your pet right now, check, check the collar. [48:06.860 --> 48:09.860] If you don't have a collar on your pet, shame on you, get one. [48:09.860 --> 48:13.860] And if you do have a collar, you know, yank on the tags, make sure they're staying on. [48:13.860 --> 48:19.860] Oh, 119, this guy that called in the other day about his dog being chipped. [48:19.860 --> 48:20.860] Yes. [48:20.860 --> 48:25.860] They chipped his dog. It got lost. He called around vets. [48:25.860 --> 48:32.860] They charged him, Deb, what did he say they charged him for each search, like $10 or $15 to check? [48:32.860 --> 48:34.860] Yeah, it was ridiculous. [48:34.860 --> 48:35.860] It was outlandish. [48:35.860 --> 48:36.860] What was this? [48:36.860 --> 48:43.860] In order for a vet to check and see if he had it, they charged him $15 each. [48:43.860 --> 48:44.860] No. [48:44.860 --> 48:52.860] He said he spent $200 looking for his dog paying vets to check their RFIDs and never found it. [48:52.860 --> 48:57.860] I don't even get that. You mean, so who was checking what? [48:57.860 --> 49:10.860] The dog owner was calling around different vets to see if the vet had his dog and to check their RFID log to see if the dog was in the veterinarian's custody. [49:10.860 --> 49:19.860] And every time he would call a vet to have the vet check his RFID log, he got charged $15 by the vet. [49:19.860 --> 49:20.860] That's so weird. [49:20.860 --> 49:23.860] The vet would charge him $15 to do an RFID check. [49:23.860 --> 49:28.860] So I call up a local vet and I say, you know, I lost my dog. It's a little Scottish Terrier. [49:28.860 --> 49:31.860] He's brown and his name is, you know, Joe. [49:31.860 --> 49:34.860] Can you see if you have him? [49:34.860 --> 49:37.860] And they wouldn't just tell me, yeah, we have your dog or no, we don't have your dog. [49:37.860 --> 49:39.860] They'd say, well, we're going to charge you $15. [49:39.860 --> 49:40.860] Basically, yes. [49:40.860 --> 49:43.860] The RFD chip made it a income stream. [49:43.860 --> 49:46.860] Oh, god. [49:46.860 --> 49:50.860] This is out of control. This is totally out of control. [49:50.860 --> 49:51.860] I can't even believe that. [49:51.860 --> 49:59.860] You know, that's where you take just like common human courtesy and you turn it into some for-profit kind of a mercenary thing. [49:59.860 --> 50:00.860] That's really sick. [50:00.860 --> 50:01.860] It really is. [50:01.860 --> 50:08.860] I mean, you would think if you're a vet, then you like pet owners and you like pets and you want pets, you know, pet owners to get their pets back. [50:08.860 --> 50:14.860] I mean, how much could it have really possibly cost these vets to check their RFID logs? [50:14.860 --> 50:16.860] To just look at a database. [50:16.860 --> 50:17.860] Wow. [50:17.860 --> 50:24.860] I mean, it would take their secretary all of about 30 seconds and they have to keep the database anyway. [50:24.860 --> 50:29.860] It's not like, well, you know, we have to maintain this database because of you. [50:29.860 --> 50:31.860] So now we've got to pass on the cost to you, though. [50:31.860 --> 50:33.860] They have to keep that database anyway. [50:33.860 --> 50:36.860] So it's just absolutely disgusting really. [50:36.860 --> 50:43.860] Well, because the RFD was there and it had to be checked electronically, the vets looked at this and said, well, cool, better income streams. [50:43.860 --> 50:44.860] Yeah, exactly. [50:44.860 --> 50:55.860] And they probably didn't think about the fact that this person they charged $15 would never for the rest of his life go to this vet for any reason. [50:55.860 --> 50:56.860] Yeah, no kidding. [50:56.860 --> 51:00.860] I would never bring my animal to a vet after getting treated that way. [51:00.860 --> 51:09.860] And these people who think the RFD is going to help them, well, it made it literally impossible for this guy to find his dog. [51:09.860 --> 51:16.860] If he had a collar on it and they didn't have the RFD, the vet would have looked at the collar and said, yeah, I got the dog. [51:16.860 --> 51:19.860] Yeah, would he charge to look at the collar, too? [51:19.860 --> 51:20.860] Probably. [51:20.860 --> 51:22.860] If he could get away with it. [51:22.860 --> 51:26.860] Well, it wouldn't present itself as a potential income stream because all it would have to do is- [51:26.860 --> 51:27.860] No, it would even dawn on you. [51:27.860 --> 51:29.860] It would even dawn on you. [51:29.860 --> 51:33.860] Yeah, I'll charge you money to read the collars on the dogs in the back room here. [51:33.860 --> 51:38.860] So what it did for him was made it impossible for him to find his dog. [51:38.860 --> 51:39.860] So it became an impedance. [51:39.860 --> 51:40.860] Absolutely. [51:40.860 --> 51:41.860] More than a help. [51:41.860 --> 51:50.860] Well, and this is what I keep telling everybody, you know, I believe that more animals are winding up in shelters than would otherwise [51:50.860 --> 51:58.860] because people are now forgoing the tags and getting lax about tags and getting lax about just human readable phone numbers [51:58.860 --> 52:01.860] because they're relying on the technology to take care of that for them. [52:01.860 --> 52:07.860] And so if you don't tag your dog, and again, this is what I was telling up my listeners today and your listeners, too, [52:07.860 --> 52:08.860] you know, go get yourself a tag. [52:08.860 --> 52:10.860] If you don't have a tag on your animal, shame on you. [52:10.860 --> 52:14.860] Go get one because the tag really is what's going to return your animal to you. [52:14.860 --> 52:15.860] Yeah, no kidding. [52:15.860 --> 52:17.860] You know, regular human eyeballs can read it. [52:17.860 --> 52:21.860] And how many, you know, I've told this story I don't know how many times in the last couple of weeks, [52:21.860 --> 52:27.860] but we literally had two dogs in our backyard running around, cutest little fluffy white dogs, very friendly. [52:27.860 --> 52:31.860] And when I said, you know, I called them over and then they came, you know, they're all friendly, jumping around. [52:31.860 --> 52:33.860] And I said, come here, let me see your collar. [52:33.860 --> 52:39.860] And I took a look and there's a phone number and I called the number and they said, oh, you have our dog. [52:39.860 --> 52:41.860] We've been looking for our dog. [52:41.860 --> 52:43.860] Yeah, I know. [52:43.860 --> 52:49.860] And if it was just RFID and you didn't have an RFID reader, you wouldn't have known who to call. [52:49.860 --> 52:50.860] Wait a minute. [52:50.860 --> 52:51.860] I would not have. [52:51.860 --> 52:54.860] You didn't charge them 15 bucks a piece? [52:54.860 --> 52:55.860] No. [52:55.860 --> 52:57.860] And see, now think about this. [52:57.860 --> 53:06.860] You know, they're always talking about all the financial problems of these shelters and they're overworked and they're understaffed and underfunded. [53:06.860 --> 53:13.860] Do they really want to have to get a phone call and have to drive all the way out to my house to get these two dogs, drive all the way back, [53:13.860 --> 53:21.860] feed these dogs, put them in a cage, sanitize the cage afterwards, clean up the poop, scan the dogs, look up in the database? [53:21.860 --> 53:29.860] I mean, do they really want to have to do all that if I could just have gotten the phone in my hand and just made the phone call? [53:29.860 --> 53:31.860] I mean, it's really ridiculous. [53:31.860 --> 53:36.860] The RIFD becomes draconian. [53:36.860 --> 53:40.860] It's just simply an overkill that doesn't work. [53:40.860 --> 53:43.860] Yeah, well, on every front. [53:43.860 --> 53:45.860] And we're going to see this more and more. [53:45.860 --> 53:50.860] And now that they want to put them in driver's licenses, you know, this issue is really starting to get some play, [53:50.860 --> 53:55.860] and it's a good thing after I've been, you know, trying to tell people about it for six years now. [53:55.860 --> 54:04.860] I'm glad finally, but it's a shame that it takes, you know, the bad outcomes and the bad scenarios for people to actually start opening up their eyes and paying attention. [54:04.860 --> 54:07.860] The nature of the human animal. [54:07.860 --> 54:11.860] We don't fix something until we have to. [54:11.860 --> 54:15.860] But then again, when we have to, we do. [54:15.860 --> 54:20.860] Well, and they always say prevention, you know, is worth a pound of cure. Well, guys, I'm starting to need the pound of cure here. [54:20.860 --> 54:24.860] So let's get people out there doing the cure. [54:24.860 --> 54:26.860] So anyway, I was thrilled. I love Austin. [54:26.860 --> 54:32.860] You guys have one of the most active communities I have ever had the privilege of visiting and being a part of. [54:32.860 --> 54:41.860] And it was just a beautiful thing being out there and meeting all of these fantastic people and, you know, seeing 300 people turn out for an event was extraordinary. [54:41.860 --> 54:43.860] Yeah, I've never seen Brave New Books so packed. [54:43.860 --> 54:51.860] I mean, it was a standing room only all up and down the hallways outside the bookstore, the overflow room, everything. [54:51.860 --> 54:53.860] I mean, it was just phenomenal. [54:53.860 --> 54:59.860] Yes. And there's a saying here, you see it on T-shirts all the time, keep Austin weird. [54:59.860 --> 55:06.860] I just wanted to thank you for coming down here and helping us keep Austin weird. [55:06.860 --> 55:08.860] Well, yeah, we really appreciate it. [55:08.860 --> 55:13.860] And I listened to part of the archive. I haven't posted the archive yet. I've been a little bit behind. [55:13.860 --> 55:16.860] I have been having to do taxes, prepare my taxes this week. [55:16.860 --> 55:18.860] But at any rate, I'll have those archives posted soon. [55:18.860 --> 55:22.860] But I listened to some of it and it came out great. It just came out great, Katherine. [55:22.860 --> 55:26.860] Well, you let me hear a little bit of it afterwards in Brave New Books and the sound quality was excellent. [55:26.860 --> 55:32.860] I've rarely heard such good sound quality on a live event where it was kind of catch as catch can on the audio. [55:32.860 --> 55:35.860] So you clearly know what you were doing and the audio was terrific. [55:35.860 --> 55:42.860] Once we get that up there, those of you who were not able to attend the talk at Brave New Books, what did I even talk about? [55:42.860 --> 55:45.860] How would I even characterize that talk that I gave? [55:45.860 --> 55:53.860] It was kind of impromptu, but it was sort of the whole kind of the big picture, yeah, of what it is that we're facing. [55:53.860 --> 55:59.860] We did a lot of Q&A, had a lot of questions from the audience, including one from a plant from the industry, I'm sure. [55:59.860 --> 56:02.860] Oh, I know. I heard that. [56:02.860 --> 56:05.860] Oh, that was very funny. [56:05.860 --> 56:08.860] We had a woman there saying, I've read these studies and there's no evidence this causes cancer. [56:08.860 --> 56:12.860] And I said, well, hang on a second. Let me read you. Oh, well, here's one. [56:12.860 --> 56:16.860] The microchips were unequivocally the cause of the cancer. Oh, here's another one. [56:16.860 --> 56:26.860] You know, and I'm reading literally from microchip studies by veterinary pathologists, by, you know, university-trained researchers. [56:26.860 --> 56:31.860] I mean, this is like full-on peer-reviewed academic journal stuff here. [56:31.860 --> 56:38.860] And, you know, I could just see the smoke coming out of her ears, you know, cursed, foiled again. [56:38.860 --> 56:43.860] I know. What does she think that we're not going to know what we're talking about? [56:43.860 --> 56:50.860] Apparently, people often underestimate how much we know about what we're talking about, and we always prove them. [56:50.860 --> 56:52.860] We always kind of come back and nail them. [56:52.860 --> 57:03.860] They might consider that nobody said this was local housewife Catherine Albrecht. Duh. [57:03.860 --> 57:08.860] Why a great time. Actually, you know, Daily Paul, I just got this link. [57:08.860 --> 57:15.860] Daily Paul, local C4L brings out the big gun, Dr. Catherine Albrecht. [57:15.860 --> 57:20.860] I've never been called a big gun before. That's crazy. [57:20.860 --> 57:24.860] So the local campaign for liberty brings out the big gun. [57:24.860 --> 57:29.860] So thank you, whoever wrote that. Thank you. Yankee was the one who wrote that. [57:29.860 --> 57:32.860] So thank you for putting that out there. [57:32.860 --> 57:37.860] And I hope, I really like being known as a big gun because then when we start going after these people [57:37.860 --> 57:41.860] and they do the Googling that you're talking about, Randi, they go, oh, no, what if I stepped in? [57:41.860 --> 57:42.860] What if I brought into this thing? [57:42.860 --> 57:47.860] Oh, yeah. We should send Catherine Albrecht on him. Watch out, people. [57:47.860 --> 57:54.860] Right. Well, you know, once I'm equipped with all these Randi Kelton tools to become truly intimidating, [57:54.860 --> 57:58.860] then at that point, look out world because there's going to be no stopping us. [57:58.860 --> 58:00.860] That's right. [58:00.860 --> 58:01.860] That's why we're here. [58:01.860 --> 58:03.860] That's right. [58:03.860 --> 58:06.860] All right. Well, listen, we're at the top of the hour. We're coming to break. [58:06.860 --> 58:09.860] I skipped the breaks for the previous hour because it was such a good conversation. [58:09.860 --> 58:12.860] Oh, thank you. How nice of you. Well, I need to get some dinner. [58:12.860 --> 58:15.860] I've been doing nonstop radio since 4 p.m. and I'm hungry. [58:15.860 --> 58:19.860] All right. All right, Catherine. Thank you so much for joining us again and giving us that update. [58:19.860 --> 58:20.860] It's wonderful news. [58:20.860 --> 58:24.860] Hey, this is a blast. Anytime you want to have me on, you guys are a ton of fun. [58:24.860 --> 58:29.860] And, Randi, you're a wealth of information. So all of you listening to this program, you got the good stuff here. [58:29.860 --> 58:33.860] All right. We'll do it again. And, Randi, I'll be contacting you for some advice. [58:33.860 --> 58:37.860] All right. Thank you, Catherine. We'll be back after the top of the hour. [58:37.860 --> 58:42.860] That was Dr. Catherine Albrecht. Love to have her on the show every time. [58:42.860 --> 58:46.860] Giving us the update on San Marcos. And when we come back, we'll take your calls. [58:46.860 --> 58:53.860] We've got Johnny from Texas, Travis from Minnesota. Callers, if you'd like to call in, 512-646-1984. [58:53.860 --> 58:55.860] We'll be right back. [58:59.860 --> 59:02.860] Are you the plaintiff or defendant in a lawsuit? [59:02.860 --> 59:09.860] Win your case without an attorney with Juris Dictionary, the affordable, easy-to-understand 4-CD course [59:09.860 --> 59:13.860] that will show you how in 24 hours, step-by-step. [59:13.860 --> 59:17.860] If you have a lawyer, know what your lawyer should be doing. [59:17.860 --> 59:21.860] If you don't have a lawyer, know what you should do for yourself. 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[01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:25.860] Neighbor, neighbor, get your dog out of me yard. [01:01:25.860 --> 01:01:29.860] All right, get your dog out of my backyard because if you don't, [01:01:29.860 --> 01:01:31.860] the government's going to make you put a chip in it. [01:01:31.860 --> 01:01:33.860] That's basically what it is. [01:01:33.860 --> 01:01:36.860] Or your neighbor is going to put a chip in it with a pellet gun. [01:01:36.860 --> 01:01:42.860] Yeah, a pellet chip. Okay, all in fun and games, all in good fun here. [01:01:42.860 --> 01:01:45.860] All right, we're going to move on to our callers now. [01:01:45.860 --> 01:01:47.860] We've got Johnny from Texas. [01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:50.860] Hey, Johnny, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? [01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:52.860] Hey, I have a question for you. [01:01:52.860 --> 01:01:56.860] Somebody mentioned a phrase earlier, complying with mandatory ordinance, [01:01:56.860 --> 01:02:03.860] and it made me think of a subpoena I got in the mail the other day to testify [01:02:03.860 --> 01:02:08.860] as a witness for some guy that stole some water barriers out of the street. [01:02:08.860 --> 01:02:12.860] He pried them up with a crowbar and threw them in the back of his truck [01:02:12.860 --> 01:02:16.860] and cursed the neighbor that put them down and drove off with them. [01:02:16.860 --> 01:02:21.860] Anyway, they're trying to prosecute the guy, but I got this subpoena, [01:02:21.860 --> 01:02:32.860] and well, what I discovered is you have to go testify. [01:02:32.860 --> 01:02:34.860] You don't have any choice. [01:02:34.860 --> 01:02:39.860] Right. They, and I told the county prosecutor this. [01:02:39.860 --> 01:02:45.860] I said, you're forcing me to testify from the end of a barrel of a gun, [01:02:45.860 --> 01:02:52.860] and I don't appreciate it one bit, and he tried to remain nice and calm. [01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:59.860] I definitely mocked him and just dosed him over with righteous indignation. [01:02:59.860 --> 01:03:01.860] Well, you can take the Fifth Amendment. [01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:05.860] They can't force you to testify against yourself or your spouse, [01:03:05.860 --> 01:03:10.860] but if it's about something else, then yeah, I'm sorry. [01:03:10.860 --> 01:03:11.860] That's the way it is. [01:03:11.860 --> 01:03:13.860] That sucks. [01:03:13.860 --> 01:03:16.860] This is Nazi America, and we can't take that garbage. [01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:18.860] This is trash. [01:03:18.860 --> 01:03:24.860] When you're forced from the end of a barrel of a gun to give testimony, [01:03:24.860 --> 01:03:27.860] this is not right, and we've got to abolish this system. [01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:32.860] I don't care what it takes, what the sacrifice is, and how. [01:03:32.860 --> 01:03:37.860] Yeah, but be careful what you ask for, because on the other hand, [01:03:37.860 --> 01:03:42.860] it can come back and bite you. [01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:44.860] Are we losing, Johnny? [01:03:44.860 --> 01:03:45.860] No, I think he's still there. [01:03:45.860 --> 01:03:48.860] Johnny, you still there? [01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:51.860] Johnny? [01:03:51.860 --> 01:03:52.860] Okay, we lost him. [01:03:52.860 --> 01:03:54.860] I thought he was kind of fading. [01:03:54.860 --> 01:03:55.860] I'm here. I'm sorry. [01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:57.860] Oh, okay, good, good, good. [01:03:57.860 --> 01:04:04.860] Nobody likes to be forced, but if this guy's being accused, [01:04:04.860 --> 01:04:11.860] and he had witnesses and the witnesses were afraid to show up, [01:04:11.860 --> 01:04:14.860] then he would want to be able to compel their appearance [01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:19.860] so that they would have plausible deniability. [01:04:19.860 --> 01:04:22.860] I just had a friend in Johnson County. [01:04:22.860 --> 01:04:23.860] Yeah, that's true. [01:04:23.860 --> 01:04:27.860] The plausible deniability thing is very important because, okay, [01:04:27.860 --> 01:04:32.860] say for example, what if I had a friend that I wanted to testify on behalf of, [01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:36.860] but I was afraid to because I was afraid the adversary may come after me. [01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:43.860] If I did, well, if I'm summoned under subpoena to testify, then I've got an out. [01:04:43.860 --> 01:04:48.860] I get to testify on behalf of my friend, and I get to say, well, they made me. [01:04:48.860 --> 01:04:49.860] You can't blame me. [01:04:49.860 --> 01:04:52.860] You can't come after me about it because they forced me to, [01:04:52.860 --> 01:04:55.860] and that way I still get to testify on behalf of my friend, [01:04:55.860 --> 01:04:57.860] but I have the plausible deniability, [01:04:57.860 --> 01:05:03.860] and I don't have to put my butt on the line of getting whatever the ramifications would be, [01:05:03.860 --> 01:05:07.860] suffer whatever repercussions because I'm under summons. [01:05:07.860 --> 01:05:12.860] That's a point well taken, and I guess I have to look at it that way. [01:05:12.860 --> 01:05:18.860] It's just nobody likes being called at the last minute by the county prosecutor [01:05:18.860 --> 01:05:22.860] and telling you, oh, wait, wait, last minute at the last. [01:05:22.860 --> 01:05:25.860] No, no, no, they can't do that. [01:05:25.860 --> 01:05:32.860] Now, when I was told a week before that I would not have to appear in court, [01:05:32.860 --> 01:05:36.860] some girl called me from the court, and she says this is she identified herself [01:05:36.860 --> 01:05:41.860] and stuff like that and said, you have been excused from appearing at this hearing. [01:05:41.860 --> 01:05:46.860] And then today, because the hearings tomorrow morning, then today this evening, [01:05:46.860 --> 01:05:50.860] the prosecutor calls me at home and says, well, you're going to have to appear. [01:05:50.860 --> 01:05:53.860] And I said, wait a minute, wait a minute, you got this subpoena, [01:05:53.860 --> 01:05:57.860] this was a phone call, you didn't get served by the sheriff? [01:05:57.860 --> 01:06:00.860] No, I got a subpoena through the mail. [01:06:00.860 --> 01:06:02.860] Okay, they can do that. [01:06:02.860 --> 01:06:05.860] And you got a call, do you know who called you? [01:06:05.860 --> 01:06:06.860] Pardon me? [01:06:06.860 --> 01:06:08.860] Do you know who it was that called you? [01:06:08.860 --> 01:06:09.860] Yeah. [01:06:09.860 --> 01:06:12.860] Good, then tell the prosecutor to screw you. [01:06:12.860 --> 01:06:14.860] I've been excused. [01:06:14.860 --> 01:06:18.860] I gave him a real hard time because he was saying, well, you know, [01:06:18.860 --> 01:06:21.860] you're under subpoena and you have to be there. [01:06:21.860 --> 01:06:23.860] You know, and I was saying, you know, this is not right. [01:06:23.860 --> 01:06:30.860] You're trying to force me into testimony when, you know, I did see this. [01:06:30.860 --> 01:06:32.860] I admit that I saw this. [01:06:32.860 --> 01:06:35.860] I wrote a little statement for my friend saying, yeah, [01:06:35.860 --> 01:06:37.860] I saw this guy rip these people's property off. [01:06:37.860 --> 01:06:41.860] And I wrote that statement some two years ago, you know, [01:06:41.860 --> 01:06:44.860] and it's been going on that long. [01:06:44.860 --> 01:06:47.860] And I wrote, yeah, I saw this guy steal this stuff, [01:06:47.860 --> 01:06:50.860] thinking I wouldn't be dragged into court, you know, if I did that, [01:06:50.860 --> 01:06:53.860] and trying to help my friend at the same time. [01:06:53.860 --> 01:06:57.860] But no, and then the prosecutor says, get this, he says, [01:06:57.860 --> 01:06:59.860] well, your statement's inadmissible in court, [01:06:59.860 --> 01:07:02.860] so we're going to have to have your hand come down here. [01:07:02.860 --> 01:07:05.860] And I said, well, wait a minute. [01:07:05.860 --> 01:07:08.860] I said, wait a minute, I said, wait a minute, Slagle, [01:07:08.860 --> 01:07:14.860] if my statement is inadmissible and it's no good, then this never happened. [01:07:14.860 --> 01:07:16.860] And I don't have to tell you nothing. [01:07:16.860 --> 01:07:18.860] That's right. [01:07:18.860 --> 01:07:22.860] So do I go in the morning or do, well, that's kind of... [01:07:22.860 --> 01:07:23.860] You got to go. [01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:24.860] Yeah, you got to go. [01:07:24.860 --> 01:07:30.860] But if a prosecutor pull that crap all on me, he would not like it. [01:07:30.860 --> 01:07:33.860] You know what? I got it all on tape. [01:07:33.860 --> 01:07:34.860] Good for you. [01:07:34.860 --> 01:07:38.860] When I got in court, he would not like it. [01:07:38.860 --> 01:07:43.860] The last time I testified in court for someone else was a hoot. [01:07:43.860 --> 01:07:46.860] It was a guy who was trying to get his house back from somebody [01:07:46.860 --> 01:07:49.860] he had sold it to and they never paid anything. [01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:53.860] And he brought it to me and asked me to do an amortization on it. [01:07:53.860 --> 01:07:57.860] So I wrote up a little program in Excel and did an amortization. [01:07:57.860 --> 01:08:02.860] And I'm sitting on the stand and this attorney asked me, [01:08:02.860 --> 01:08:04.860] did you prepare this? [01:08:04.860 --> 01:08:06.860] Well, no, I didn't. [01:08:06.860 --> 01:08:07.860] You didn't prepare this amortization? [01:08:07.860 --> 01:08:09.860] No, I didn't. [01:08:09.860 --> 01:08:10.860] Well, then who prepared it? [01:08:10.860 --> 01:08:12.860] Well, the computer did. [01:08:12.860 --> 01:08:15.860] Oh, the computer did. [01:08:15.860 --> 01:08:19.860] Well, Mr. Kelton, how do you know that these figures are correct? [01:08:19.860 --> 01:08:23.860] Well, computers don't make mistakes. [01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:25.860] That's what you use. [01:08:25.860 --> 01:08:30.860] He said, well, Mr. Kelton, how do you know that the figures you entered are correct? [01:08:30.860 --> 01:08:31.860] I don't know. [01:08:31.860 --> 01:08:32.860] You got them right there. [01:08:32.860 --> 01:08:33.860] Look at them. [01:08:33.860 --> 01:08:34.860] If you don't like them, object to one of them. [01:08:34.860 --> 01:08:37.860] They look okay to me. [01:08:37.860 --> 01:08:39.860] Oh, I just had a great time. [01:08:39.860 --> 01:08:42.860] And the other attorney is the attorney to the judge. [01:08:42.860 --> 01:08:43.860] He objects. [01:08:43.860 --> 01:08:44.860] He objects. [01:08:44.860 --> 01:08:48.860] And the judge said to me, Mr. Kelton, are you telling me, [01:08:48.860 --> 01:08:52.860] this court, that the computer actually produced that printout? [01:08:52.860 --> 01:08:53.860] Yes, Your Honor, I am. [01:08:53.860 --> 01:08:54.860] It did. [01:08:54.860 --> 01:08:55.860] It did all by itself. [01:08:55.860 --> 01:08:57.860] I just sat down and watched it. [01:08:57.860 --> 01:08:59.860] And the judge, this is the judge, cooed in Wise County. [01:08:59.860 --> 01:09:01.860] He was just having a great time. [01:09:01.860 --> 01:09:08.860] He said, well, you know, I watched my computer do the same thing. [01:09:08.860 --> 01:09:11.860] You can give him, you can make it life miserable for him. [01:09:11.860 --> 01:09:15.860] You know, I can't believe that this guy did this because I was under the impression, Randy, [01:09:15.860 --> 01:09:18.860] that I was excused from court because that's what Shirley told me. [01:09:18.860 --> 01:09:20.860] She says, you are excused from court. [01:09:20.860 --> 01:09:22.860] You will not have to appear March the 6th. [01:09:22.860 --> 01:09:24.860] And then he calls here this evening and boom. [01:09:24.860 --> 01:09:29.860] And, you know, I just, I can't believe that they have the power to do this. [01:09:29.860 --> 01:09:32.860] I don't like getting a letter telling me you are commanded. [01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:34.860] You are commanded to appear. [01:09:34.860 --> 01:09:35.860] I don't like that. [01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:37.860] Well, that's what they do. [01:09:37.860 --> 01:09:48.860] But, you know, on the other hand, I have a friend whose nephew stole a car from her son. [01:09:48.860 --> 01:09:51.860] The nephew was a drug addict. [01:09:51.860 --> 01:09:54.860] And they went and found it. [01:09:54.860 --> 01:09:59.860] And when they found him with the car, they, he was parked and they pulled in front of him. [01:09:59.860 --> 01:10:03.860] And he took the son's car and rammed their car with it. [01:10:03.860 --> 01:10:04.860] Wait, wait, wait, wait. [01:10:04.860 --> 01:10:05.860] Hold on. [01:10:05.860 --> 01:10:06.860] I'm confused. [01:10:06.860 --> 01:10:07.860] Who stole whose car? [01:10:07.860 --> 01:10:10.860] The nephew stole the woman's son's car. [01:10:10.860 --> 01:10:17.860] And then when they found him, he used the car as a battering ram to knock the other car out of the way to get away from them. [01:10:17.860 --> 01:10:21.860] And when they found the car, it had been stripped. [01:10:21.860 --> 01:10:27.860] So when the police found the car, they found the guy and they arrested him. [01:10:27.860 --> 01:10:29.860] And the prosecutor subpoenaed them to court. [01:10:29.860 --> 01:10:40.860] And she was just beside herself that she's going to have to go and testify against her nephew. [01:10:40.860 --> 01:10:45.860] And she absolutely, you know, she was, her sister was just livid about it. [01:10:45.860 --> 01:10:47.860] And I told her... [01:10:47.860 --> 01:10:50.860] What happens if she doesn't testify, doesn't say a word? [01:10:50.860 --> 01:10:51.860] She goes to jail. [01:10:51.860 --> 01:10:52.860] For how long? [01:10:52.860 --> 01:10:54.860] Depends. [01:10:54.860 --> 01:11:00.860] As long as the judge wants to keep her there because he'll put her in jail for contempt. [01:11:00.860 --> 01:11:01.860] That's sick. [01:11:01.860 --> 01:11:07.860] So what I told her to do was tell the prosecutor, I refuse to testify. [01:11:07.860 --> 01:11:09.860] You're going to have to force me to. [01:11:09.860 --> 01:11:18.860] And, you know, do that in court in front of the judge and the prosecutor and get the prosecutor to force you to testify. [01:11:18.860 --> 01:11:21.860] So I might just do that tomorrow. [01:11:21.860 --> 01:11:22.860] Well, that'd be great. [01:11:22.860 --> 01:11:24.860] I don't want to testify. [01:11:24.860 --> 01:11:27.860] I better get y'all's phone number in case I need somebody to come bail me out. [01:11:27.860 --> 01:11:32.860] No, keep in mind that they don't have any real jurisdiction over you. [01:11:32.860 --> 01:11:33.860] No, that's why I'm pissed. [01:11:33.860 --> 01:11:42.860] You can sit up there and tell them what a no-good rotten lying scoundrel that filthy, scroungy, belly-crawling prosecutor is, [01:11:42.860 --> 01:11:47.860] to summon me down here and then told me I didn't have to come so I'd rearrange my schedule, [01:11:47.860 --> 01:11:50.860] and then for the last minute he calls me down threatening me on the phone. [01:11:50.860 --> 01:11:52.860] You can do all that in front of the judge. [01:11:52.860 --> 01:11:53.860] Just have a great time. [01:11:53.860 --> 01:11:54.860] Just work him over. [01:11:54.860 --> 01:11:58.860] It won't do any good, though, because he's just as corrupt as the damn prosecutor is. [01:11:58.860 --> 01:12:01.860] They're all part of the same Masonic clan, I'm sure. [01:12:01.860 --> 01:12:03.860] I'm working on methods. [01:12:03.860 --> 01:12:06.860] They go to the same lodge meeting every Saturday night. [01:12:06.860 --> 01:12:07.860] Yeah, you bet they do. [01:12:07.860 --> 01:12:09.860] No, they do it every third week of the month. [01:12:09.860 --> 01:12:12.860] They suck from the same scum bucket. [01:12:12.860 --> 01:12:14.860] I'm working up a plan. [01:12:14.860 --> 01:12:18.860] Well, I'm not doing that, though, giving them a big dose of righteous indignation [01:12:18.860 --> 01:12:22.860] and then going ahead and telling them what they want to hear. [01:12:22.860 --> 01:12:26.860] And then write a bar grievance against the prosecutor. [01:12:26.860 --> 01:12:29.860] Ooh, that's a great idea. [01:12:29.860 --> 01:12:32.860] Just for yucks. [01:12:32.860 --> 01:12:35.860] Well, you know, what he did was pretty crummy at the last minute. [01:12:35.860 --> 01:12:40.860] I mean, until this afternoon, man, I thought it was all said and done, [01:12:40.860 --> 01:12:44.860] and I wouldn't have to go down there and go, that's great, that's peachy. [01:12:44.860 --> 01:12:45.860] He wants to jerk you around? [01:12:45.860 --> 01:12:47.860] You jerk him around a little bit. [01:12:47.860 --> 01:12:48.860] Yeah, I will. [01:12:48.860 --> 01:12:49.860] You bet on it. [01:12:49.860 --> 01:12:53.860] I remember sitting in front of the county attorney in Wise County, [01:12:53.860 --> 01:12:59.860] and the prosecutor gets copies of all the bar grievances filed against the [01:12:59.860 --> 01:13:03.860] attorneys practicing in his district. [01:13:03.860 --> 01:13:07.860] And Greg was sitting there going through these bar grievances, [01:13:07.860 --> 01:13:10.860] and he looks at this one, he kind of cringes, oh, oh, I've done that, [01:13:10.860 --> 01:13:14.860] I've done that, and he goes to the next one, oh, I've done that, too. [01:13:14.860 --> 01:13:16.860] Oh, it was great. [01:13:16.860 --> 01:13:19.860] Would it be kind of cool, like, when this is all said and done, [01:13:19.860 --> 01:13:21.860] and I'm on the way out, and it's like, you know, I'm really funny [01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:24.860] and getting cutting up because I'm a comedian anyway, and I'm cutting them, [01:13:24.860 --> 01:13:27.860] I go, well, okay, guys, I've got to go, I've got to go file some bar grievances. [01:13:27.860 --> 01:13:29.860] See you later. [01:13:29.860 --> 01:13:30.860] Would that be appropriate? [01:13:30.860 --> 01:13:32.860] Oh, yes. [01:13:32.860 --> 01:13:33.860] That'd be great. [01:13:33.860 --> 01:13:36.860] And judicial conduct complaint against the judge just for yucks. [01:13:36.860 --> 01:13:41.860] Judicial conduct complaint, wait a minute, wait a minute, judicial conduct. [01:13:41.860 --> 01:13:43.860] I've got to write it down. [01:13:43.860 --> 01:13:44.860] Okay. [01:13:44.860 --> 01:13:46.860] You do a stand-up comic routine? [01:13:46.860 --> 01:13:49.860] Judicial misconduct, is that correct? [01:13:49.860 --> 01:13:53.860] Yeah, it's the State Commission on Judicial Conduct. [01:13:53.860 --> 01:13:55.860] Judicial conduct. [01:13:55.860 --> 01:13:57.860] This is like going to class. [01:13:57.860 --> 01:13:59.860] Every time I call y'all and talk to y'all, it's great. [01:13:59.860 --> 01:14:01.860] I appreciate both of you. [01:14:01.860 --> 01:14:02.860] Thank you. [01:14:02.860 --> 01:14:04.860] I hope y'all live long and truly prosper. [01:14:04.860 --> 01:14:06.860] Live long and prosper. [01:14:06.860 --> 01:14:08.860] You will know the bar grievance. [01:14:08.860 --> 01:14:10.860] I've got other callers waiting. [01:14:10.860 --> 01:14:12.860] You'll know the bar grievance worked if it works, [01:14:12.860 --> 01:14:17.860] if the next time you see the prosecuting attorney, his eyes are bugging out, [01:14:17.860 --> 01:14:20.860] his face turns red, and his teeth are grinding together. [01:14:20.860 --> 01:14:27.860] Well, because I hear bad things about all those people down there. [01:14:27.860 --> 01:14:33.860] Well, a good kick in the seat of the pants, a couple of third shoes. [01:14:33.860 --> 01:14:36.860] A couple of third shoes, exactly. [01:14:36.860 --> 01:14:37.860] That's it. [01:14:37.860 --> 01:14:39.860] We can help them get an attitude adjustment. [01:14:39.860 --> 01:14:41.860] Three shoes, posse. [01:14:41.860 --> 01:14:42.860] All right. [01:14:42.860 --> 01:14:43.860] Thanks, guys. [01:14:43.860 --> 01:14:44.860] Thank you, Johnny. [01:14:44.860 --> 01:14:45.860] Later. [01:14:45.860 --> 01:14:47.860] I'm ready. [01:14:47.860 --> 01:14:48.860] It works. [01:14:48.860 --> 01:14:50.860] It really works. [01:14:50.860 --> 01:14:53.860] We've given the RFID pushers three shoes, too. [01:14:53.860 --> 01:14:58.860] Boy, once Catherine gets a hold of some of these techniques, [01:14:58.860 --> 01:15:00.860] it's all going to be over. [01:15:00.860 --> 01:15:01.860] Oh, yeah. [01:15:01.860 --> 01:15:04.860] If she starts going after these guys with pre-litigation discovery, [01:15:04.860 --> 01:15:11.860] just the fact that she's doing pre-litigation is clear warning that she's coming after them. [01:15:11.860 --> 01:15:12.860] Right. [01:15:12.860 --> 01:15:14.860] And it really gets their attention. [01:15:14.860 --> 01:15:18.860] Hopefully, they'll back down before it gets to the point that it's actually in court, too. [01:15:18.860 --> 01:15:19.860] Yeah. [01:15:19.860 --> 01:15:22.860] That's the idea of doing it real early. [01:15:22.860 --> 01:15:25.860] And when you apply the pressure early, [01:15:25.860 --> 01:15:30.860] it's more effective than if you wait until the dam's about to break. [01:15:30.860 --> 01:15:32.860] Right. [01:15:32.860 --> 01:15:33.860] Okay, let's go to... [01:15:33.860 --> 01:15:34.860] All right. [01:15:34.860 --> 01:15:35.860] We've got Travis in Minnesota. [01:15:35.860 --> 01:15:38.860] And callers, we've got open phone lines now. [01:15:38.860 --> 01:15:42.860] So if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984. [01:15:42.860 --> 01:15:44.860] Today, we're going to Travis in Minnesota. [01:15:44.860 --> 01:15:45.860] Hey, Travis, thanks for calling in. [01:15:45.860 --> 01:15:47.860] What's on your mind tonight? [01:15:47.860 --> 01:15:49.860] Hey, how you folks doing? [01:15:49.860 --> 01:15:50.860] Good. [01:15:50.860 --> 01:15:57.860] I'm calling because I had a couple questions, some experiences today, both today and Tuesday. [01:15:57.860 --> 01:16:06.860] And to start off, as far as the whole subpoena question, [01:16:06.860 --> 01:16:14.860] unless you sign for some kind of certified, you know, confirmed delivery, [01:16:14.860 --> 01:16:23.860] you know, then how can they really enforce a subpoena to bring someone in as a witness [01:16:23.860 --> 01:16:26.860] if they just send out normal mail? [01:16:26.860 --> 01:16:28.860] That won't work. [01:16:28.860 --> 01:16:33.860] What the courts say is we trust our mail delivery. [01:16:33.860 --> 01:16:39.860] Five days after we send it, you get it, whether you sign or not. [01:16:39.860 --> 01:16:40.860] Okay, listen, listen. [01:16:40.860 --> 01:16:41.860] Hold on, Travis. [01:16:41.860 --> 01:16:42.860] We're going to break. [01:16:42.860 --> 01:16:43.860] We'll be right back. [01:16:43.860 --> 01:16:44.860] This is the rule of law. [01:16:44.860 --> 01:16:49.860] Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984. [01:16:49.860 --> 01:16:59.860] We will be right back after these short messages. 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[01:19:05.860 --> 01:19:07.860] Okay, we're speaking with Travis. [01:19:07.860 --> 01:19:11.860] Travis, you were talking about what happened to you over the last couple of days. [01:19:11.860 --> 01:19:13.860] Well, we were just turning off the mail to Tina's, [01:19:13.860 --> 01:19:22.860] and I mean it's impossible that they could really call it any evidence. [01:19:22.860 --> 01:19:27.860] I mean it's really not a much bigger inconvenience for them to just simply send it out, [01:19:27.860 --> 01:19:32.860] sign on delivery, which, you know, would totally quash any doubts. [01:19:32.860 --> 01:19:35.860] Well, it costs a lot more. [01:19:35.860 --> 01:19:42.860] But the thing about not signing for registered mail doesn't help [01:19:42.860 --> 01:19:45.860] because the courts will assume that five days after it's sent, [01:19:45.860 --> 01:19:48.860] they will presume that you got it. [01:19:48.860 --> 01:19:53.860] And what all of the courts, at least here in Texas, have been doing, [01:19:53.860 --> 01:19:58.860] and all government agencies, they've been sending one certified [01:19:58.860 --> 01:20:03.860] or registered one regular mail. [01:20:03.860 --> 01:20:07.860] And what they'll say to the courts is, we sent two, you know, [01:20:07.860 --> 01:20:12.860] if they didn't sign for one or maybe one got lost. [01:20:12.860 --> 01:20:17.860] What if they only send one and they just send it standard? [01:20:17.860 --> 01:20:20.860] Then you can say you didn't get it. [01:20:20.860 --> 01:20:23.860] So what if I had reset a court date, [01:20:23.860 --> 01:20:27.860] but they actually didn't set it when I was on the phone, [01:20:27.860 --> 01:20:30.860] so they didn't give me a court date, [01:20:30.860 --> 01:20:33.860] and they didn't sign anything confirmed, [01:20:33.860 --> 01:20:39.860] and they didn't tell me in the conversation or call me when the court date was reset to, [01:20:39.860 --> 01:20:47.860] then it sent one notice in the mail, standard delivery as to the reset date. [01:20:47.860 --> 01:20:48.860] Okay. [01:20:48.860 --> 01:20:58.860] This gets into a matter of what the law says and how life really is. [01:20:58.860 --> 01:21:04.860] If they set a court date, you really need to know about it. [01:21:04.860 --> 01:21:07.860] If you have to call them, and if you don't get any kind of notice, [01:21:07.860 --> 01:21:10.860] you call them kind of regular because if you miss a court date, [01:21:10.860 --> 01:21:15.860] they can file a failure to appear against you. [01:21:15.860 --> 01:21:16.860] Yeah, I realize that. [01:21:16.860 --> 01:21:20.860] I just went ahead and went to the court date and, I mean, I didn't... [01:21:20.860 --> 01:21:25.860] Yeah, I tell people, always go to court. [01:21:25.860 --> 01:21:29.860] There are guys out there saying, oh, they don't have jurisdiction. [01:21:29.860 --> 01:21:31.860] You don't need to go to the court. [01:21:31.860 --> 01:21:34.860] I get people calling me all the time, want me to help them get out of jail. [01:21:34.860 --> 01:21:35.860] Get out of jail. [01:21:35.860 --> 01:21:36.860] I was going to say, yeah, they call from jail. [01:21:36.860 --> 01:21:38.860] I'm going to say, listen to that crap, Ola. [01:21:38.860 --> 01:21:42.860] I just talked to Ken Magnuson today about someone he's helping out in New York. [01:21:42.860 --> 01:21:44.860] He got a ticket in Texas. [01:21:44.860 --> 01:21:46.860] They wanted him to come down here for this hearing, [01:21:46.860 --> 01:21:48.860] and he said, well, she don't really need to be here. [01:21:48.860 --> 01:21:51.860] I said, Ken, have her come. [01:21:51.860 --> 01:21:53.860] Well, it's going to cost her all this money. [01:21:53.860 --> 01:22:00.860] She can sue the attorney for it, but that's better than getting arrested again. [01:22:00.860 --> 01:22:02.860] I appreciate your clarity in that. [01:22:02.860 --> 01:22:04.860] Can I move on to my next... [01:22:04.860 --> 01:22:05.860] Absolutely. [01:22:05.860 --> 01:22:08.860] Okay. [01:22:08.860 --> 01:22:15.860] They've been having me go to court just about every day. [01:22:15.860 --> 01:22:22.860] I have to go to one county three hours away on my birthday, [01:22:22.860 --> 01:22:25.860] and then I have to the next day be back here. [01:22:25.860 --> 01:22:32.860] I just found out today, which is where I live, and that's about three hours away. [01:22:32.860 --> 01:22:36.860] I'm not really in a good position to drive. [01:22:36.860 --> 01:22:40.860] They might get me if I do. [01:22:40.860 --> 01:22:50.860] Is there some kind of any potential issues or something I can raise with the court dates [01:22:50.860 --> 01:22:53.860] being back-to-back in several jurisdictions? [01:22:53.860 --> 01:22:54.860] Absolutely. [01:22:54.860 --> 01:23:01.860] You can move for continuous showing that you have a court date that's close to this one [01:23:01.860 --> 01:23:04.860] and ask for the court date to be separated [01:23:04.860 --> 01:23:07.860] so that you have time to adequately prepare for both. [01:23:07.860 --> 01:23:14.860] Generally, they will grant a continuance for good cause. [01:23:14.860 --> 01:23:15.860] Okay. [01:23:15.860 --> 01:23:19.860] You need to file for it at least seven days in most of your jurisdiction, [01:23:19.860 --> 01:23:23.860] at least seven days prior to the hearing. [01:23:23.860 --> 01:23:27.860] They just set the hearing today, and it's only like seven days out, so... [01:23:27.860 --> 01:23:28.860] That's generally not enough. [01:23:28.860 --> 01:23:29.860] Generally, they have to give you... [01:23:29.860 --> 01:23:30.860] Well, they have to give you at least seven days. [01:23:30.860 --> 01:23:35.860] So if they only gave you seven days, then file one tomorrow, [01:23:35.860 --> 01:23:40.860] and there's no magic in a request for continuance. [01:23:40.860 --> 01:23:44.860] You just ask the judge for a continuance and tell the judge, [01:23:44.860 --> 01:23:47.860] this is why I need the continuance. [01:23:47.860 --> 01:23:49.860] Now, is that written? [01:23:49.860 --> 01:23:50.860] Always written. [01:23:50.860 --> 01:23:52.860] Everything in court is written. [01:23:52.860 --> 01:23:55.860] If it's not written, it didn't happen. [01:23:55.860 --> 01:23:58.860] So I write it out, and do I file it with the court clerk first [01:23:58.860 --> 01:24:00.860] and go in the courtroom with it? [01:24:00.860 --> 01:24:01.860] Yes. [01:24:01.860 --> 01:24:03.860] If the judge is there, you can... [01:24:03.860 --> 01:24:05.860] Generally, you just file it with the clerk, [01:24:05.860 --> 01:24:06.860] and she'll give it to the judge. [01:24:06.860 --> 01:24:10.860] You need to make up a letter addressed to the clerk [01:24:10.860 --> 01:24:17.860] and in it, direct the clerk to bring this motion to the attention of the court. [01:24:17.860 --> 01:24:20.860] I should probably get it notarized right there in front of the clerk [01:24:20.860 --> 01:24:21.860] when I sign it, right? [01:24:21.860 --> 01:24:29.860] A request for a continuance must have a statement of cause for the continuance. [01:24:29.860 --> 01:24:33.860] You have to show good cause, and that has to be verified. [01:24:33.860 --> 01:24:35.860] That's notarized. [01:24:35.860 --> 01:24:37.860] Okay. [01:24:37.860 --> 01:24:39.860] The cause doesn't have to be dramatic. [01:24:39.860 --> 01:24:45.860] It's just giving the court fair warning that this creates an untenable inconvenience [01:24:45.860 --> 01:24:51.860] to make it so that you can't adequately prepare your defense. [01:24:51.860 --> 01:24:57.860] Generally, if you do it well-constructed, and continuance is not magic. [01:24:57.860 --> 01:25:00.860] It's just give him a good reason, and they'll generally give it to you [01:25:00.860 --> 01:25:06.860] because if they convict you, and you had a good reason he didn't give it to you, [01:25:06.860 --> 01:25:11.860] that's grounds for appeal, and he's not going to want you to do that. [01:25:11.860 --> 01:25:15.860] Generally, if you do it and give him time, you don't wait until the last minute. [01:25:15.860 --> 01:25:16.860] Right. [01:25:16.860 --> 01:25:20.860] If he just told you yesterday, then if you get one in tomorrow, [01:25:20.860 --> 01:25:26.860] that's going to be considered timely, and he will most likely grant you that leeway. [01:25:26.860 --> 01:25:33.860] When I raised the back-to-back appearances in separate geographies, [01:25:33.860 --> 01:25:38.860] it creates that untenable inconvenience you mentioned [01:25:38.860 --> 01:25:43.860] and interferes with my ability to prepare. [01:25:43.860 --> 01:25:49.860] I think that their rebuttal would be, well, what about the six days before that, [01:25:49.860 --> 01:25:54.860] that you don't have to go to court? [01:25:54.860 --> 01:26:01.860] To me, that's really still inadequate. [01:26:01.860 --> 01:26:05.860] Have you requested a continuance before? [01:26:05.860 --> 01:26:12.860] Well, I just went today, and I didn't have any counsel. [01:26:12.860 --> 01:26:15.860] I had had counsel on the case originally, [01:26:15.860 --> 01:26:19.860] but the case I didn't really think I would be going to court. [01:26:19.860 --> 01:26:22.860] I have to go to court again on it, which I did today. [01:26:22.860 --> 01:26:25.860] They wanted basically to move ahead very quickly, [01:26:25.860 --> 01:26:30.860] and I told them as I had had counsel prior, [01:26:30.860 --> 01:26:35.860] I needed to look into my source of funding. [01:26:35.860 --> 01:26:40.860] I covered my bases and called that particular counsel yesterday. [01:26:40.860 --> 01:26:44.860] In fact, they were not available today. [01:26:44.860 --> 01:26:49.860] I did tell the judge, inform the judge that counsel was not available to appear, [01:26:49.860 --> 01:26:53.860] so they kind of had to reset it. [01:26:53.860 --> 01:26:59.860] She was not happy, and she admonished me and threatened me. [01:26:59.860 --> 01:27:03.860] That was the first date on the matter, the first hearing, the arraignment. [01:27:03.860 --> 01:27:09.860] She threatened me that that counsel had better be there on the 12th [01:27:09.860 --> 01:27:18.860] and that I cannot come to court and say, oh, I wasn't able to procure the funds. [01:27:18.860 --> 01:27:21.860] She further admonished me. [01:27:21.860 --> 01:27:27.860] She set the date for 1.30 in the afternoon, and she admonished me to, [01:27:27.860 --> 01:27:32.860] in fact, I was not able to procure funding slash counsel [01:27:32.860 --> 01:27:39.860] to show up four hours prior to my 1.30 scheduled appearance [01:27:39.860 --> 01:27:42.860] in order to apply for a public defender. [01:27:42.860 --> 01:27:46.860] I believe that's because they want the public defender [01:27:46.860 --> 01:27:50.860] to have some time to look at the case before, [01:27:50.860 --> 01:27:54.860] but she can't tell me to come four hours before my scheduled appearance, can she? [01:27:54.860 --> 01:27:57.860] Yep. [01:27:57.860 --> 01:28:00.860] Do you think I need to do that? [01:28:00.860 --> 01:28:03.860] Yes, you absolutely do. [01:28:03.860 --> 01:28:06.860] What if there's no written order? [01:28:06.860 --> 01:28:10.860] If you don't show up, written order or no written order, [01:28:10.860 --> 01:28:14.860] the judge is likely to throw your butt in the can. [01:28:14.860 --> 01:28:16.860] Now, she may be wrong. [01:28:16.860 --> 01:28:27.860] Do you think I, you know, and say that, you know, I'm going to have to apply for state appointed? [01:28:27.860 --> 01:28:34.860] She's likely to throw your butt in the can for contempt court. [01:28:34.860 --> 01:28:35.860] Okay. [01:28:35.860 --> 01:28:36.860] That may be wrong. [01:28:36.860 --> 01:28:39.860] It may not be just, but she can certainly do that. [01:28:39.860 --> 01:28:47.860] Okay. Now, what if the court appointed counsel, you know, [01:28:47.860 --> 01:28:53.860] wants to, you know, make it the hastiest process in the world just like the judge does? [01:28:53.860 --> 01:28:57.860] Is that court appointed counsel, would they be serving my interest? [01:28:57.860 --> 01:29:07.860] And if I told them that, you know, I wanted a little bit more moderate pace, you know, [01:29:07.860 --> 01:29:11.860] can I do that and can they refuse and can they, you know, [01:29:11.860 --> 01:29:14.860] can my own counsel stay court appointed or otherwise, [01:29:14.860 --> 01:29:17.860] can they expedite the process against my will? [01:29:17.860 --> 01:29:18.860] Yes, they can. [01:29:18.860 --> 01:29:22.860] Your attorney is the most dangerous man in the courtroom. [01:29:22.860 --> 01:29:24.860] I've heard you say that before. [01:29:24.860 --> 01:29:25.860] Yeah, he can screw you royal. [01:29:25.860 --> 01:29:29.860] So, best thing to do to tell your court appointed counsel, [01:29:29.860 --> 01:29:37.860] you miss one due process, right, I'll file a bar grievance against you for every single one. [01:29:37.860 --> 01:29:38.860] Okay. [01:29:38.860 --> 01:29:39.860] That'll get his attention. [01:29:39.860 --> 01:29:41.860] You don't have to be your buddy. [01:29:41.860 --> 01:29:44.860] Okay, we're going to go to break. [01:29:44.860 --> 01:29:45.860] Yeah, we'll be right back. [01:29:45.860 --> 01:29:48.860] Travis, hang on, we've also got Will from Texas. [01:29:48.860 --> 01:29:50.860] We'll be right back. [01:29:50.860 --> 01:29:59.860] Music [01:29:59.860 --> 01:30:02.860] Gold prices are at historic highs and with the recent pullback, [01:30:02.860 --> 01:30:04.860] this is a great time to buy. 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Chip in the fish, them all in the sea. Chip in the shark and the whale around me. You don't see mankind going to crazy. They're taking a tomb and they want to be. Social security, they've got to tell me. Number when they give me, they'll rip it up and see. [01:31:47.860 --> 01:32:09.860] I'll chip you in the morning. Chip you in the evening. Chip you all day, no time. Experiment on mankind. But man, you know, say them lies. Well, we don't want no chip. Man, you have your body. Freedom or something. Man, you fight for me. You should tell them the 3-D. Constitution set us free. Don't let them put no chip in your body. [01:32:09.860 --> 01:32:35.860] All right. Don't let them put no chip in your body. Not your dog nor your cat you see. Even your goldfish. Pretty soon they're going to want to put it in us. All right. We're fighting that. And in the meantime, in the meantime, we are also speaking with Travis in Minnesota about having to go to court and them going to be putting your behind in the slammer if you don't. So please continue, Randy. [01:32:35.860 --> 01:33:03.860] Yeah. Here we're not talking about what's right and wrong. We're talking about how it works in the world we live in. And if you're supposed to be in court, always be in court. That will get you past a whole lot of other troubles. And you can give the judge a real hard time as long as you show up. The first time you don't show up, that's when you'll get screwed royal. [01:33:03.860 --> 01:33:22.860] Exactly. So the court order is 1.30 p.m., but the judge said verbally, if I don't have counsel with me and I want to apply, then show up three hours, four hours earlier than that. She's not telling me to show up to actually the courtroom. She's telling me to go to the court clerk and file for the public defender. [01:33:22.860 --> 01:33:42.860] So, I mean, isn't the judge saying, you know, go, you know, 9 a.m. or so, a few hours early and, you know, apply for the public defender? That's not an order to go to court. That's an order, an unwritten or verbal order to apply for counsel, you know, to assist them with expedition, right? [01:33:42.860 --> 01:34:09.860] Yes. When the judge issues an order in the courtroom, it's a real order. It just doesn't have to be, that one doesn't have to be written. What the judge says in the court stands. So, absolutely, if she says be there, be there. A lot of these guys say, oh, they don't have such a matter of jurisdiction, you don't have to go. Well, always go to court. [01:34:09.860 --> 01:34:31.860] Seems like sound advice to me. Fair enough. Well, I went to court today and I'm away out of the courtroom. Well, the whole time I was there from start to finish, I was treated extremely rudely and given a lot of very, very dirty looks. [01:34:31.860 --> 01:34:43.860] And anywhere I go now in the courthouse, I'm basically accompanied by a bailiff. Well, join the club. [01:34:43.860 --> 01:35:05.860] So, I get done with the court appearance. I go out in the lobby. I remind the probation officer that, in fact, now I have two separate court cases in different geographies back to back. She says, oh, she smiles. I think it makes her happy, you know. [01:35:05.860 --> 01:35:23.860] And can I, you know, I got an extension today. I don't have counsel. Counsel couldn't show up. Anyways, do I still have grounds to motion for extension? [01:35:23.860 --> 01:35:41.860] Yeah. If you don't have an attorney, they're going to want you to have an attorney. Now, there's a lot of things they might not give you a continuance for, but hiring one of their buddies to screw you royal, that they'll give you plenty of time to do. [01:35:41.860 --> 01:36:05.860] Well, I mean, regarding the back to back appearances with, you know, the distance factor in between them, you know, should I still motion for continuance based on the inconvenience of, you know, the travel factor? [01:36:05.860 --> 01:36:16.860] Well, frankly, the judge is not going to be terribly concerned about your convenience. He's just not going to care. [01:36:16.860 --> 01:36:30.860] Now, what was the word you guys had used a second ago when I was asking you about the geographies before you knew I got a first extension? Did that kind of maybe change a little bit when you found out I got an extension today based on counsel? [01:36:30.860 --> 01:36:45.860] Yes. Normally, the reason I ask that is normally a court will give you a first continuance out of hand. They'll grant it without question and you don't have to show cause. [01:36:45.860 --> 01:36:52.860] What would you recommend? I show cause, I written cause and I written petition based on the geography and back to back dating? [01:36:52.860 --> 01:36:56.860] Absolutely. Always show cause if you can. [01:36:56.860 --> 01:36:57.860] Okay. [01:36:57.860 --> 01:37:01.860] And here you have reasonable cause. [01:37:01.860 --> 01:37:03.860] Okay. [01:37:03.860 --> 01:37:25.860] Now, they tried to charge me $5 per copy for every page in any file that I requested. First they tried to tell me that there were no such files there. This was like last week. And I made the comment in a very friendly manner to the court clerk. Hmm, sounds illegal. [01:37:25.860 --> 01:37:36.860] At which point she disappeared for about 30 minutes and came back in fact with the same files she said didn't exist at the location. [01:37:36.860 --> 01:38:03.860] And they have a newly enforced policy of charging $5 per page per copy. So if a file has 40 documents in it and some of them are double sided, all of a sudden you're looking at $250 plus the certification fee. So I filled out a former Popperist copy fee waiver petition and went before the judge there on the spot. [01:38:03.860 --> 01:38:22.860] He didn't, I told him I'm in between surgeries. Due to that I'm unable to work at the moment and I don't have the funds and I need the files. And he said he wasn't hearing a reason. And if I couldn't give him a reason real quick, and I mean, I don't know what else to say, that was why. So he denied. [01:38:22.860 --> 01:38:43.860] So Bailiff recommended the signing judge at the downtown courthouse. So I did go down there and that signing judge turned me away about two times to maybe get her a little bit more information, but she did grant the copy fee waiver. [01:38:43.860 --> 01:39:01.860] So I did go back to the other courthouse and got my files. However, at that point when they realized they were going to have to go ahead and copy them for me for your charge, they had basically the Bailiff as an intermediary. [01:39:01.860 --> 01:39:14.860] I never got to even talk to the court clerk, which worked for me. I didn't have to wait in line, but I have it all on recording. I was not in the courtroom. I was in the lobby. [01:39:14.860 --> 01:39:36.860] So the Bailiff told me that, well, first of all, they removed about half of some of those files before they gave them to me. And the Bailiff told me that all they had removed was the police reports and that I didn't have a right to the police support because it's property in the police department. [01:39:36.860 --> 01:39:56.860] And if I wanted, I have to go to the police department. So I asked the Bailiff if he could pass on a request that that court clerk put that in writing. And of course, she declined. But I do have the recording where the Bailiff identifies himself by name and he identifies the culprit by first and last name. [01:39:56.860 --> 01:40:18.860] And I believe that's unlawful to omit the police report from my file. If anything is omitted from the file, I would file criminal charges of tampering with a government document. You're bound to have that statute in Minnesota. Every state has it. [01:40:18.860 --> 01:40:36.860] When should I bring up the fact that I have the whole conversation recording? I wouldn't take your recording and reduce it to writing and testify to every single word of the Bailiff said. [01:40:36.860 --> 01:40:55.860] And the question will come up, how do you know that's what the Bailiff said? Well, I recorded it. That gives the foundation for your recording. And you tell them that you transcribed it from the recording. [01:40:55.860 --> 01:41:15.860] That sounds great to me. And that'll really, you know, by you're not bringing up the recording. Yeah. And you sucker them into asking you about it. They're going to know you set them up. And I always like to think I'm a step and get them to think we're a step ahead of them. [01:41:15.860 --> 01:41:29.860] Let them think they're me. Yeah. You're always a step ahead. Ken Magnuson's in court and the judge rules against him and immediately hands a motion objecting to the ruling. [01:41:29.860 --> 01:41:42.860] I'll let them think I'm ahead of them. Yeah, you're ahead of them. The judge looked at the motion and said, well, Mr. Magnuson, it appears you're a step ahead of me. And Ken raised three fingers. [01:41:42.860 --> 01:41:57.860] Once in a while, don't you want to let them think they're a step or two ahead of you so that you can really surprise them? No, you always want them to think that you're ahead of them. So that whatever they do is likely to come back to sting them. [01:41:57.860 --> 01:42:14.860] Now, you know, compared to what happened just the other day, you know, what happened today is to me unbelievable. After I got out of the courtroom, I on the way out noticed that there was no line at all at the court clerk window. [01:42:14.860 --> 01:42:37.860] And from listening to you and other people, I've decided it's a good idea every time I go to court, God forbid that I should, that I, you know, monitor and keep track of the files by asking the clerk to see them so that I know what's added and what if anything's taken out and I can see any changes. [01:42:37.860 --> 01:42:52.860] And there may be things that I was unaware of. So I went up to the court clerk window and the deputy is kind of, you know, walking in the same direction as me, but she's kind of keeping her distance. [01:42:52.860 --> 01:43:09.860] And I asked the court clerk, of course, very nicely, if I could see, please, the file for his case number and showed her the case number. She said, well, did you have court today? [01:43:09.860 --> 01:43:26.860] And I knew what that meant. I said, yes, I did. Why do you think maybe still be in the courtroom then? She didn't have a chance to answer before the deputy came over and told me, why are you bothering this court clerk? [01:43:26.860 --> 01:43:40.860] Nothing happened other than what I just told you. Deputy came over and said, what are you doing? Why are you bothering them? You need to get away from there. [01:43:40.860 --> 01:43:59.860] All right. Listen, listen, Travis, we're going, we're going to, we're going to break right now. All right. Just hang on the line. We've also got Will from Texas. This is the rule of law ready. Kelton and Deborah Stevens will be right back. [01:43:59.860 --> 01:44:14.860] Stock markets are taking hit after hit. Corrupt bankers are choking on subprime debt. The Fed is busy printing dollars, dollars and more dollars to bail out Wall Street banks and the U.S. car industry. 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[01:46:19.860 --> 01:46:32.860] Oh, yeah. [01:46:32.860 --> 01:46:40.860] Oh, yeah. [01:46:40.860 --> 01:46:51.860] All right, we are back. This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens. We're here with Travis in Minnesota. We've got Will from Texas. Will, you just hang on. We're going to get to you. [01:46:51.860 --> 01:47:09.860] Tony Davis has also called in. We're going to do the best we can to get to everybody and talk as thoroughly as possible with everyone in the last 11 minutes of this show. So people probably want to call in sooner on our shows because this always ends up happening. We get jammed up with calls at the end. [01:47:09.860 --> 01:47:15.860] So, okay, let's finish up with Travis so that we can talk to Will and Tony. [01:47:15.860 --> 01:47:18.860] Okay. Travis, do you have any other questions or issues? [01:47:18.860 --> 01:47:38.860] Well, the deputy told me there was no file. All I needed was what I had in my hand, which all it was was a notice of appearance. I did say I wanted to see the file. The deputy said I couldn't see it. I couldn't see anything. If I wanted anyone to look at a file for me, I had to get a lawyer and have him come back and do it. If there's no file and there's no docket sheet, then there's no case. [01:47:38.860 --> 01:47:42.860] File criminal charges against a jackass. [01:47:42.860 --> 01:48:01.860] I'll do all 9-1-1 in a heartbeat. The court clerk and the deputy, is there ministerial duty? The deputy. Of the deputy to not obstruct me from seeing my own file? Right. He's interfering with your right to a public court. Is he violating his ministerial obligation? [01:48:01.860 --> 01:48:21.860] Oh, this is a crime. Right. Is it criminal? Yeah, this doesn't go to something you can sue him for. This is criminal act. This is official oppression. Right. The deputy said that I needed to leave right now. And I said, well, I'm entitled to that information that's in the public domain. The deputy said you're entitled to leave right now. That's what I did. [01:48:21.860 --> 01:48:31.860] You should step on the porch, call 9-1-1, tell him don't you go anywhere. Someone's going to want to talk to you. Call 9-1-1, ask them to come out and take a criminal complaint. [01:48:31.860 --> 01:48:57.860] All righty, thanks. That'll get his attention. See you tomorrow. Okay, good. All right, thanks, Travis. Okay, we're going to go on now to Will in Texas. And Will just dropped off. Okay. All right, people. All right, since Will has dropped off the line, then let's go on to Tony Davis. Hey, Tony, thanks for calling in tonight. [01:48:57.860 --> 01:49:10.860] Sure, no problem. I thought you might want to get some information related to one of Randy's comments earlier. Sure. Can you speak up just a little bit, Tony? Sure, can you hear me now? Oh, yeah, that's much better. Thank you. [01:49:10.860 --> 01:49:23.860] Okay, it relates to mortgages. Okay, some engineers have developed a program. I don't know if you know this, but there was a new law passed because the mortgage companies typically screw everybody that pays the mortgage. [01:49:23.860 --> 01:49:43.860] They overbill, overcharge, like the phone companies used to do. Okay, and there was a law passed. I haven't researched the law yet, but it was passed recently, which is it makes it recoverable if you find that a mortgage company has overcharged you. [01:49:43.860 --> 01:49:56.860] And some engineers, former IBM engineers, have developed a program now to analyze and detect the overcharges on the mortgages. Wow, that's great. [01:49:56.860 --> 01:50:22.860] Yeah, they got to California, but anyway, they're in the process of raising money for the funding of their project, and I'll be getting all the information on the program, and it appears to be something that happens all the time. Okay, basically, apparently, from the information I'm getting, it's like in excess of 90% of all mortgages, the mortgage companies overcharge. [01:50:22.860 --> 01:50:29.860] Wow, somehow that's not surprising, even though it seems pretty outrageous. [01:50:29.860 --> 01:50:53.860] One way to make money is just to pencil it in, and they apparently appear to be doing that, and the more times a mortgage is resold, the more times they add to the fees, or one of the ways they do it is they delay the docking or booking of your payments, or they charge you in excess before the payment happens. [01:50:53.860 --> 01:51:07.860] So there appears to be a huge problem that's going to be surfacing in the near future, not just related to the mortgage crisis, but related to the way the mortgage companies are committing crimes against the people. [01:51:07.860 --> 01:51:30.860] It looks as though the government may be going after these mortgage holders in order to take the heat off, so they don't have to try to buy these guys out. They can just say, well, we've got all these people losing their houses. They go to the mortgage holder and say, well, you tried to screw this guy, so you don't get to collect the mortgage. [01:51:30.860 --> 01:51:37.860] I guess they stay in their house. [01:51:37.860 --> 01:51:57.860] I believe that's going to become a widespread issue in the United States, because just think about some little old lady in her house, and she pays her mortgage faithfully every month and doesn't realize that the mortgage company is using her money to increase, boost their profits. [01:51:57.860 --> 01:52:01.860] They're never charging her to boot. That's correct. [01:52:01.860 --> 01:52:20.860] The mortgage company then sends out these notices saying, oh, by the way, your escrow has gone up this year, or your taxes have gone up this year, or just a variety of different things in order to increase their cash flow so they can leverage the money. [01:52:20.860 --> 01:52:25.860] The taxes go up. That's an interesting way to do that. [01:52:25.860 --> 01:52:28.860] The tax goes up. Most people would never check it. [01:52:28.860 --> 01:52:31.860] That's true. Very few people do. [01:52:31.860 --> 01:52:43.860] And then the mortgage itself is so complex, it's, for an ordinary person, it's almost impossible for them to be able to calculate all of the costs accurately. [01:52:43.860 --> 01:52:57.860] Well, that's why these guys have developed a program to do that, because a person can take their mortgage information into them and they can run it through a sophisticated computer program to determine exactly how much the person was overcharged. [01:52:57.860 --> 01:52:59.860] Wow, that sounds great. [01:52:59.860 --> 01:53:06.860] Yeah, I'm going to want to see that and also look at their proposal for funding. [01:53:06.860 --> 01:53:10.860] Right. Okay. Well, I'll be happy to give it to you. [01:53:10.860 --> 01:53:15.860] Oh, wonderful. Do we have any more issues? We've got one more caller. [01:53:15.860 --> 01:53:19.860] All right. Okay, go ahead. I'll drop off and you can talk to him. [01:53:19.860 --> 01:53:23.860] Okay, or you could stay on the line too, Tony. You may be able to answer his question. [01:53:23.860 --> 01:53:24.860] Okay, sure. [01:53:24.860 --> 01:53:35.860] All right, great. All right, we are going to go now to Will in Texas. Okay, just one second. My computer screen froze up here. Okay, we're going to go to Will in Texas. [01:53:35.860 --> 01:53:38.860] All right, Will, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight? [01:53:38.860 --> 01:53:40.860] How are you all doing? [01:53:40.860 --> 01:53:41.860] Good. [01:53:41.860 --> 01:53:56.860] Hey, back to my traffic issues that I'm having. This one issue that I had was a speeding ticket that I appeared for, and apparently they didn't have their stuff on their side. [01:53:56.860 --> 01:54:10.860] And they stamped my ticket that it was received, and there was no – of course, at that time, it didn't plea. And they said, well, you know, come back or whatever. [01:54:10.860 --> 01:54:28.860] And I waited months later. I got a letter from them in the mail saying that you failed to appear and you need to pay $290 and keep – if you want to keep your license and not have the warrant for your arrest. [01:54:28.860 --> 01:54:36.860] Well, what you need to do is file a motion with the court. Let's see. [01:54:36.860 --> 01:54:42.860] What did they say? Did they claim you failed to appear and found you guilty in absentia? [01:54:42.860 --> 01:55:00.860] Well, they didn't say find – they didn't say that they found me guilty, but they said that you failed to appear before this judge and that you need to pay this fee, $290, which I assume is, you know, that someone entered a guilty plea for me or whatever. But there was no due process. [01:55:00.860 --> 01:55:04.860] Then file criminal charges against the judge. [01:55:04.860 --> 01:55:08.860] You know, did the judge do that or did the clerk do that? [01:55:08.860 --> 01:55:10.860] The judge does everything. [01:55:10.860 --> 01:55:11.860] Okay. [01:55:11.860 --> 01:55:16.860] It doesn't matter what his clerk might have done. The judge is respondent superior. [01:55:16.860 --> 01:55:18.860] So that's official oppression? [01:55:18.860 --> 01:55:24.860] That's official oppression. It may be more than that. It may be fraud. [01:55:24.860 --> 01:55:41.860] Okay. So because the way they do it is if I go there and I've got a stamp ticket saying this was received, I can show them, hey, this is a received that I showed up. But you didn't have your stuff ready. Am I supposed to go back and check with, you know, like I'm a puppy dog, but hey, you got your stuff ready? [01:55:41.860 --> 01:55:42.860] No, you have no duty. [01:55:42.860 --> 01:55:43.860] No? [01:55:43.860 --> 01:55:47.860] You have no duty. This is their clerical problem. [01:55:47.860 --> 01:55:48.860] Okay. [01:55:48.860 --> 01:56:08.860] And the problem is, is the judge has threatened you and tried to coerce money out of you. The fact that he may not realize that there's a problem is irrelevant. It's irrelevant to culpability. Charge him with fraud. [01:56:08.860 --> 01:56:18.860] So that's just in one of your documents to file. And I have to obviously show up and when I get thrown in jail or whatever, then I'm... [01:56:18.860 --> 01:56:29.860] No, you don't have to show up. Just mail it in. You file fraud with the district attorney and file a motion to disqualify the judge in the court. [01:56:29.860 --> 01:56:33.860] This is the justice of peace. So this is Travis County. [01:56:33.860 --> 01:56:46.860] You still file a complaint against the public official goes to district attorney. And you file a motion to disqualify the judge for cause because he's a criminal. [01:56:46.860 --> 01:56:52.860] Now that you said district attorney, that's what region are we talking about? That's not a state. [01:56:52.860 --> 01:56:55.860] State, yeah. Travis County district attorney. [01:56:55.860 --> 01:56:56.860] Travis County, okay. [01:56:56.860 --> 01:56:57.860] Yeah. [01:56:57.860 --> 01:57:01.860] Okay. And we also have a Greg from Alabama on the line. [01:57:01.860 --> 01:57:02.860] Okay. [01:57:02.860 --> 01:57:04.860] I have a feeling that it's our host, Greg. [01:57:04.860 --> 01:57:06.860] Oh, okay. Hillbilly. [01:57:06.860 --> 01:57:08.860] I don't know about that, but... [01:57:08.860 --> 01:57:14.860] Okay. Yeah. File it with the district attorney and then file a motion to disqualify the judge. [01:57:14.860 --> 01:57:16.860] Works for me. [01:57:16.860 --> 01:57:20.860] Oh, it's a lot of fun. It gets their attention. [01:57:20.860 --> 01:57:21.860] Thanks, Randy. [01:57:21.860 --> 01:57:28.860] All right. Thanks, Will. All right. Let's bring Greg up. Hey, Greg. Thanks for calling in. Is this Greg Chapman? [01:57:28.860 --> 01:57:29.860] You got it. [01:57:29.860 --> 01:57:34.860] I had a feeling it was our host. How are you doing? [01:57:34.860 --> 01:57:41.860] Hey, I'm doing fine. Listen, this is about... I heard Tony Davis talking about this mortgage situation. [01:57:41.860 --> 01:57:44.860] Yeah. In fact, he's back up right now. Hey, Tony, you still there? [01:57:44.860 --> 01:57:45.860] I'm here. [01:57:45.860 --> 01:57:48.860] Yeah. Okay. Go ahead, Greg. [01:57:48.860 --> 01:57:55.860] Just a little bit of a comment. I know, Randy, I don't know if you remember, but a while back I had mentioned... [01:57:55.860 --> 01:58:02.860] Actually, you guys had Ken Magason on talking about filing civil cases. [01:58:02.860 --> 01:58:03.860] Yeah. Quickly. [01:58:03.860 --> 01:58:09.860] And right at that time, I had talked about filing a lawsuit against the mortgage company. [01:58:09.860 --> 01:58:21.860] And we did it. And the guy who was being supposedly foreclosed on, he got a letter and then also a phone call from an attorney, and they want to work a deal with him now. [01:58:21.860 --> 01:58:22.860] Wonderful. [01:58:22.860 --> 01:58:25.860] Excellent. Excellent. [01:58:52.860 --> 01:58:54.860] Thank you. [01:59:22.860 --> 01:59:39.860] I'm like a stepping razor, watch my eyes. I'm dangerous, dangerous. I'm like a chopping razor, watch my eyes. I'm dangerous, dangerous. [01:59:39.860 --> 01:59:59.860] If you eat that ball, you better treat me good. If you drink that soup, you better treat me good. I'm like a stepping razor, don't you watch my eyes.