[00:30.000 --> 00:32.060]  whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:32.540 --> 00:34.860]  bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[00:35.400 --> 00:37.900]  whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:38.260 --> 00:40.520]  when you were 8, and you had bad treats
[00:40.820 --> 00:43.180]  you'll go to school and learn the golden rule
[00:43.480 --> 00:45.900]  so why are you acting like a bloody fool
[00:46.420 --> 00:48.160]  if you getmembered in your musket Vid
[00:48.700 --> 00:51.520]  bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[00:51.860 --> 00:53.920]  whatcha gonna do when they come for you?
[00:54.400 --> 00:56.800]  bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gonna do?
[00:56.800 --> 00:59.800]  or what you're gonna do when they come for you
[00:59.800 --> 01:02.800]  You took it on that one, you took it on this one
[01:02.800 --> 01:04.800]  You took it on your mother, you took it on your father
[01:04.800 --> 01:07.800]  You took it on your brother and you took it on your sister
[01:07.800 --> 01:09.800]  You took it on that one and you took it on
[01:09.800 --> 01:14.800]  Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens. We are starting our show early tonight.
[01:14.800 --> 01:18.800]  We are broadcasting live from Brave New Books right here in Austin, Texas.
[01:18.800 --> 01:24.800]  We're here. Dr. Catherine Albrecht has just arrived. She's about to get on the mic and give her talk.
[01:24.800 --> 01:30.800]  She's here for a book signing and she has come to Texas, she's come to Austin, come to San Marcos
[01:30.800 --> 01:41.800]  to help us fight this situation regarding them trying to forcefully RFID chip people's pets.
[01:41.800 --> 01:44.800]  And what's next? Randy, what do you think about this?
[01:44.800 --> 01:53.800]  Well, we had Catherine on the other day and frankly, what she had to say about this was chilling.
[01:53.800 --> 01:58.800]  You know, you think about putting chips in your pet, well, that's cool, man.
[01:58.800 --> 02:01.800]  Your pet gets lost. Your pet don't know the way home.
[02:01.800 --> 02:03.800]  Now we'd be able to find them.
[02:03.800 --> 02:08.800]  But in talking about the other things that they're doing with these chips,
[02:08.800 --> 02:15.800]  it's relatively clear that this was nothing less than operant conditioning.
[02:15.800 --> 02:18.800]  We get those in our pets and we can find our pets so well.
[02:18.800 --> 02:24.800]  Well, that's a great thing and we get accustomed to it. We get used to being able to trace and track our pets.
[02:24.800 --> 02:27.800]  The next thing we're going to do is want to be able to do is track our children.
[02:27.800 --> 02:30.800]  What if someone snatches up one of our children?
[02:30.800 --> 02:34.800]  We want to trace and check them down.
[02:34.800 --> 02:39.800]  And then before we know it, everything has chips in it, if not in you.
[02:39.800 --> 02:46.800]  Everything you have, everything you wear, your car, your wallet, your money.
[02:46.800 --> 02:50.800]  Right now, if you walk through the airport and you have the new money,
[02:50.800 --> 02:55.800]  they can read how much money is in your pocket when you walk through the scanner.
[02:55.800 --> 02:59.800]  They want you to put your wallet on the belt and run it through
[02:59.800 --> 03:03.800]  so they can read how much money is in the wallet when it goes through there.
[03:03.800 --> 03:08.800]  It won't be long until you can't move or someone has their finger on you.
[03:08.800 --> 03:10.800]  This is a frightening prospect.
[03:10.800 --> 03:12.800]  It's very scary indeed.
[03:12.800 --> 03:16.800]  I mean, they want to track us, everything we do.
[03:16.800 --> 03:18.800]  Hey, Catherine.
[03:18.800 --> 03:21.800]  Catherine's about to come in.
[03:21.800 --> 03:24.800]  Hello.
[03:24.800 --> 03:27.800]  Yes, we've got Catherine right here with us.
[03:27.800 --> 03:28.800]  She's about to go talk.
[03:28.800 --> 03:29.800]  Thanks.
[03:29.800 --> 03:30.800]  Thank you.
[03:30.800 --> 03:31.800]  All right.
[03:31.800 --> 03:32.800]  You too.
[03:32.800 --> 03:33.800]  All right.
[03:33.800 --> 03:38.800]  I didn't recognize Catherine, but I certainly recognize that voice.
[03:38.800 --> 03:39.800]  All right.
[03:39.800 --> 03:40.800]  Catherine just arrived.
[03:40.800 --> 03:45.800]  She just said hello to us, and she's going to go give her talk in just a moment.
[03:45.800 --> 03:52.800]  We're very glad that she is here with us today to help us fight this monstrosity
[03:52.800 --> 03:58.800]  of RFID-ing everything we own, our animals and our pets as well.
[03:58.800 --> 04:01.800]  This is just absolutely diabolical.
[04:01.800 --> 04:02.800]  We can't put up with it.
[04:02.800 --> 04:06.800]  We have to stop it altogether.
[04:06.800 --> 04:10.800]  This is nothing less than the crack in the cosmic egg.
[04:10.800 --> 04:12.800]  They get a crack in it.
[04:12.800 --> 04:15.800]  They will gradually pry it open.
[04:15.800 --> 04:20.800]  Frankly, I don't want everybody to know every place I go.
[04:20.800 --> 04:23.800]  It's none of their business.
[04:23.800 --> 04:26.800]  When I'm in the toilet, I don't want anybody else to know I'm in the toilet.
[04:26.800 --> 04:33.800]  When she was saying that stuff about the corporations way back in 2002, right, Randy?
[04:33.800 --> 04:40.800]  Talking about how the corporate execs were saying how great it would be when they know
[04:40.800 --> 04:44.800]  when people take off the cap of their tube of toothpaste
[04:44.800 --> 04:47.800]  and carry it around their house to a different bathroom.
[04:47.800 --> 04:48.800]  Okay?
[04:48.800 --> 04:51.800]  What kind of person would think like this?
[04:51.800 --> 04:56.800]  A corporate person who's disconnected from his real life.
[04:56.800 --> 05:00.800]  Humans have a capacity to do that.
[05:00.800 --> 05:06.800]  One of my studies, primary studies, is language and the use of language.
[05:06.800 --> 05:12.800]  Human beings have this special capacity to compartmentalize ourselves.
[05:12.800 --> 05:19.800]  In one context, in one setting, we can accept incredibly horrendous outcomes
[05:19.800 --> 05:22.800]  that in another setting we would never consider.
[05:22.800 --> 05:29.800]  I bet this guy goes home from work and rails against all the injustices
[05:29.800 --> 05:32.800]  he sees just like everybody else does.
[05:32.800 --> 05:35.800]  But he's the one perpetrating it.
[05:35.800 --> 05:41.800]  He's so compartmentalized, all this has to do with is corporate income.
[05:41.800 --> 05:47.800]  He doesn't allow himself to consider the other ramifications.
[05:47.800 --> 05:55.800]  The way what he's doing here is going to move itself out into the marketplace
[05:55.800 --> 05:58.800]  and above all the government.
[05:58.800 --> 06:03.800]  If I look at this and from my experience with the government,
[06:03.800 --> 06:09.800]  on the one hand at the lower levels they are incredibly inept,
[06:09.800 --> 06:14.800]  but at another level they plan everything.
[06:14.800 --> 06:21.800]  Nothing major or nothing continuing happens by mistake or by accident.
[06:21.800 --> 06:24.800]  They already know where they want to take us
[06:24.800 --> 06:29.800]  and that's where they have us at a tremendous advantage.
[06:29.800 --> 06:33.800]  We have to become aware of where they're trying to lead us to,
[06:33.800 --> 06:38.800]  not so much to be concerned about what they're doing at the moment,
[06:38.800 --> 06:44.800]  but be concerned about where they're trying to take us.
[06:44.800 --> 06:47.800]  And if you look close, especially the other day last Friday
[06:47.800 --> 06:52.800]  listening to Catherine talking about what they intend to do with these chips,
[06:52.800 --> 06:54.800]  and the toll tags.
[06:54.800 --> 06:57.800]  I didn't think anything about toll tags.
[06:57.800 --> 07:00.800]  All right, listen, I think they're about to start, Randy.
[07:00.800 --> 07:02.800]  I'm going to bring up the mic from the other ram.
[07:02.800 --> 07:07.800]  We have about eight minutes here.
[07:07.800 --> 07:10.800]  Hi, y'all. I'm Lisa Marie from San Marcos, Texas.
[07:10.800 --> 07:12.800]  This is Lisa from San Marcos.
[07:12.800 --> 07:14.800]  She's helping us host the event.
[07:14.800 --> 07:16.800]  I appreciate everybody here in Austin, Texas,
[07:16.800 --> 07:19.800]  being concerned with your neighbors here in Central Texas Hill Country.
[07:19.800 --> 07:22.800]  We all come together when it comes to issues of liberty.
[07:22.800 --> 07:26.800]  We're here tonight simply to say that we just want one simple change
[07:26.800 --> 07:29.800]  to our animal control ordinance in San Marcos,
[07:29.800 --> 07:31.800]  and that is just one simple change.
[07:31.800 --> 07:35.800]  Simply, we don't want that notion of mandatory in the ordinance.
[07:35.800 --> 07:38.800]  We don't want to be criminals in our own home in San Marcos.
[07:38.800 --> 07:41.800]  We want to be able to know what the rules of the law are
[07:41.800 --> 07:43.800]  and be able to follow them and not have to break them,
[07:43.800 --> 07:45.800]  and that's why we're standing up on this issue.
[07:45.800 --> 07:47.800]  Our community is mobilized.
[07:47.800 --> 07:49.800]  We're all coming.
[07:49.800 --> 07:54.800]  We have a vigil tomorrow and several different events from 1230 to 130
[07:54.800 --> 07:56.800]  at Grins in San Marcos.
[07:56.800 --> 07:58.800]  We'll have a meet and greet with Dr. Albrecht.
[07:58.800 --> 08:03.800]  We'll also have from 4 o'clock to 530 at Wake the Dead in San Marcos.
[08:03.800 --> 08:06.800]  We're going to have a pre-protest where we'll get together
[08:06.800 --> 08:09.800]  and make T-shirts and posters and talk about the issues
[08:09.800 --> 08:11.800]  and meet and greet with Dr. Albrecht.
[08:11.800 --> 08:14.800]  And then, of course, at 630 is when the citizens of our community
[08:14.800 --> 08:17.800]  will sign in to make their argumentation known
[08:17.800 --> 08:20.800]  and what our concerns are with this ordinance.
[08:20.800 --> 08:23.800]  So we would encourage not only San Marcos Friends to come out
[08:23.800 --> 08:26.800]  and sign at 630 and then to speak on that issue,
[08:26.800 --> 08:28.800]  and then our council meeting begins at 7.
[08:28.800 --> 08:29.800]  The issues are very simple.
[08:29.800 --> 08:31.800]  This is a mandatory.
[08:31.800 --> 08:33.800]  It was never discussed by the city council,
[08:33.800 --> 08:35.800]  and that's why there's public outcry,
[08:35.800 --> 08:38.800]  and we just simply want that one item changed.
[08:38.800 --> 08:41.800]  I think this is also an issue of health for our pets,
[08:41.800 --> 08:43.800]  as well as some religious and privacy concerns.
[08:43.800 --> 08:47.800]  And once again, we appreciate everybody giving us the opportunity
[08:47.800 --> 08:50.800]  to make the issues of San Marcos known.
[08:50.800 --> 08:53.800]  And the fact that this is a packed house shows how concerned
[08:53.800 --> 08:55.800]  people are throughout central Texas,
[08:55.800 --> 08:57.800]  and I see the head shaking, the audience,
[08:57.800 --> 08:59.800]  on this mandatory microchip issue.
[08:59.800 --> 09:00.800]  I appreciate your time.
[09:00.800 --> 09:03.800]  We look forward to you coming into our community.
[09:03.800 --> 09:06.800]  We love our pets in San Marcos, but we also love our freedom.
[09:06.800 --> 09:08.800]  Thank you very much, Austin, for your support.
[09:08.800 --> 09:19.800]  Thank you.
[09:19.800 --> 09:20.800]  Thank you.
[09:20.800 --> 09:25.800]  You responded just like I wanted to and yelled and everything else,
[09:25.800 --> 09:28.800]  so I think it's okay with George on the network.
[09:28.800 --> 09:32.800]  But anyhow, this is wonderful.
[09:32.800 --> 09:38.800]  I tell you, now we have Judith McGarry,
[09:38.800 --> 09:39.800]  Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance,
[09:39.800 --> 09:44.800]  and she's been very active for at least a couple of years here.
[09:44.800 --> 09:45.800]  Three years.
[09:45.800 --> 09:46.800]  Three years, okay.
[09:46.800 --> 09:53.800]  But you know, the best example I heard is the other day
[09:53.800 --> 09:56.800]  when Alex Jones came up and said,
[09:56.800 --> 10:02.800]  we're going to put a $16 chip in a $4 chicken.
[10:02.800 --> 10:04.800]  So that's something to take to other people,
[10:04.800 --> 10:06.800]  those that don't know that.
[10:06.800 --> 10:09.800]  But again, I won't take a lot of time.
[10:09.800 --> 10:15.800]  I want to pass this over to Judith so that we can hear what her thinking is.
[10:15.800 --> 10:23.800]  Thank you.
[10:23.800 --> 10:24.800]  Thanks, everyone.
[10:24.800 --> 10:26.800]  It's fantastic to see this kind of a turnout at Brave New Books.
[10:26.800 --> 10:29.800]  This is a wonderful, wonderful event.
[10:29.800 --> 10:33.800]  For those of you who aren't familiar with the National Animal Identification System,
[10:33.800 --> 10:37.800]  or NAIF, okay, the hits that tell me at least some of you all are.
[10:37.800 --> 10:41.800]  But for those that aren't, basically it boils down to a plan
[10:41.800 --> 10:45.800]  where anyone who owns even one livestock or poultry animal,
[10:45.800 --> 10:48.800]  so a chicken, a horse, a pet top-bellied pig,
[10:48.800 --> 10:52.800]  or any of the farm animals would have to register their property with the government,
[10:52.800 --> 10:55.800]  tag each animal, in most cases electronically,
[10:55.800 --> 10:59.800]  and report their movements to a database within 24 hours.
[10:59.800 --> 11:03.800]  A lot of people say, is this going to lead to human microchipping or human tracking?
[11:03.800 --> 11:06.800]  And actually my response is, this is human tracking.
[11:06.800 --> 11:11.800]  Because anyone who owns an animal now gets to report their movements to the government.
[11:11.800 --> 11:14.800]  Every time they pretty much go anywhere with their animals.
[11:14.800 --> 11:20.800]  Last time I noticed, my horses don't load themselves up in the trailer and take off on their own.
[11:20.800 --> 11:27.800]  So back in 2005, the Texas Legislature actually passed a law authorizing this program here in Texas.
[11:27.800 --> 11:33.800]  This was done before pretty much any average animal owner knew the first thing or had heard about NAIF.
[11:33.800 --> 11:38.800]  But the big industry guys, the big ag, came in with the state bureaucracy
[11:38.800 --> 11:41.800]  and they said, we want this program, we have to have this program.
[11:41.800 --> 11:44.800]  And they got authority for the Texas Animal Health Commission
[11:44.800 --> 11:49.800]  to make the entire NAIF program mandatory here in Texas.
[11:49.800 --> 11:56.800]  Now ever since we've been fighting this and we have mostly held the agency to a slow crawl on it.
[11:56.800 --> 11:59.800]  We've sort of been staring at each other's over the fence line.
[11:59.800 --> 12:02.800]  But the problem is they still have legal authority.
[12:02.800 --> 12:06.800]  And next week they could wake up and put out their eggs
[12:06.800 --> 12:11.800]  and there wouldn't be a whole lot we could do about it when it came down to stopping the regulations.
[12:11.800 --> 12:14.800]  What we need is to get that authority yanked away from them.
[12:14.800 --> 12:19.800]  We tried it last session, we came really, really close last session.
[12:19.800 --> 12:23.800]  We got the bill through the House and we died on the last day of the Senate.
[12:23.800 --> 12:27.800]  So we're back, we have another bill and we have flyers.
[12:27.800 --> 12:30.800]  If I had known Catherine's were going to be yellow, I would have picked a different color.
[12:30.800 --> 12:35.800]  Look for the slightly lighter yellow flyers with a picture of a microchip on them.
[12:35.800 --> 12:38.800]  We'll put them out on the table. Catherine doesn't mind.
[12:38.800 --> 12:40.800]  This has information on the bill number.
[12:40.800 --> 12:46.800]  It's Senate Bill 682 and it's been sitting pretty quiet so far in the Texas legislature.
[12:46.800 --> 12:51.800]  I'm disappointed. I am not seeing our senators jumping on and co-sponsoring it.
[12:51.800 --> 12:54.800]  So what we need are a lot of phone calls.
[12:54.800 --> 12:58.800]  We need folks and we've got all of the information on the back of the flyer.
[12:58.800 --> 13:03.800]  You guys are willing to do a lot of work and I appreciate that, but I've made it as easy as possible.
[13:03.800 --> 13:05.800]  You have the phone numbers right here.
[13:05.800 --> 13:10.800]  Call your senator, tell him you want him to co-sponsor Senate Bill 682.
[13:10.800 --> 13:17.800]  And one thing, especially for the folks here, this is not, and you all already know it's not just about farm animals.
[13:17.800 --> 13:21.800]  I'm talking, preaching to the choir here, but it's about our food supply.
[13:21.800 --> 13:28.800]  That's something that's really fundamental that your neighbors might understand, that your communities hopefully will understand.
[13:28.800 --> 13:34.800]  It's about who has access, who has the right, who has the ability to raise food.
[13:34.800 --> 13:36.800]  And what are our options.
[13:36.800 --> 13:42.800]  And so do me a favor, even if you already know about NACE, grab some flyers anyways and hand them out in your communities also.
[13:42.800 --> 13:51.800]  So let's see if we can't get this bill through this session. Thank you.
[13:51.800 --> 13:53.800]  Thank you, Jude.
[13:53.800 --> 13:57.800]  Yeah, that's what it's really about is all of you know it's about control.
[13:57.800 --> 14:01.800]  And of course there may be some new people, I hope.
[14:01.800 --> 14:05.800]  I hope that there's new people, especially out there on the internet listening in.
[14:05.800 --> 14:16.800]  So we really want to extend our open hand, not a clenched fist, to the people and say,
[14:16.800 --> 14:26.800]  look, this is about you, your pets, and everybody's got something in this fight.
[14:26.800 --> 14:35.800]  So that's what makes this such a good coalition of bringing everything together,
[14:35.800 --> 14:41.800]  because it's about food control and then next is going to be people control.
[14:41.800 --> 14:49.800]  So it's the very thing that we need to watch out for.
[14:49.800 --> 14:56.800]  Now we have Sheila Dean, who I didn't have time up front to tell you about.
[14:56.800 --> 15:02.800]  We have truth seekers meeting on the south end of town, and I think the internet people have got that.
[15:02.800 --> 15:09.800]  And then also I want to take this opportunity to say some thank yous,
[15:09.800 --> 15:16.800]  and especially to Brave New Books that is giving us the facility and a lot of help here.
[15:16.800 --> 15:21.800]  And we've got a list of other people that we need to say thank you to.
[15:21.800 --> 15:22.800]  We'll get to that next.
[15:22.800 --> 15:30.800]  But without more to do, I want to get Sheila Dean, who is a grassroots advocate for our 5.11 campaign.
[15:30.800 --> 15:34.800]  She's been a speaker there at our group, and we really appreciate that.
[15:34.800 --> 15:41.800]  I think out on the net there's a YouTube of her, or Google, I'm not sure,
[15:41.800 --> 15:44.800]  but I think there's a video of her at our meeting.
[15:44.800 --> 15:47.800]  You might even try that.
[15:47.800 --> 16:01.800]  But Sheila, we appreciate all you do, and thank you for being at Truth Seekers.
[16:01.800 --> 16:09.800]  I am really proud to be with the level of activism that I've witnessed here with the chipping.
[16:09.800 --> 16:10.800]  Look at these ladies.
[16:10.800 --> 16:12.800]  Aren't they gorgeous?
[16:12.800 --> 16:18.800]  Please give them a big hand.
[16:18.800 --> 16:21.800]  I doubt I can outdo myself with all of this.
[16:21.800 --> 16:23.800]  Thank you for coming to Brave New Books tonight.
[16:23.800 --> 16:32.800]  I am the 5.11 campaigner for the opposition against real ID.
[16:32.800 --> 16:40.800]  And I'm here to speak just briefly about what kind of dangers we all face with the real ID.
[16:40.800 --> 16:47.800]  So we are all here tonight because we are exploring problems with the prolific use of RFID technologies
[16:47.800 --> 16:49.800]  here in Texas as identity solutions.
[16:49.800 --> 16:51.800]  And it's just not working out.
[16:51.800 --> 16:58.800]  In my work here in Texas, we've discovered that DHS has already tried and failed the RFID technology
[16:58.800 --> 17:03.800]  at the border in an experimental run with the U.S. VISIT program at the borders.
[17:03.800 --> 17:08.800]  The use of biometric data storage in microchip or magnetic strip technologies
[17:08.800 --> 17:15.800]  is just as big brother today as it was when they released the regulations in January of 2008.
[17:15.800 --> 17:23.800]  It is not safe to say that RFID for governed identity is an appropriate use of taxpayers in Texas.
[17:23.800 --> 17:28.800]  It's a waste of our money and anything else is an understatement.
[17:28.800 --> 17:33.800]  Texas has kicked the can down the road until 2010 on enhanced driver's licenses.
[17:33.800 --> 17:38.800]  Most recently, the vice chair of appropriations, Raymond Pena, we can thank,
[17:38.800 --> 17:42.800]  has spurned the Department of Public Safety's request for funding on real ID programs.
[17:42.800 --> 17:44.800]  So you can thank him for that.
[17:44.800 --> 17:47.800]  That buys us a year on driver's licenses.
[17:47.800 --> 17:54.800]  However, the incremental application of RFID is going into the transportation worker identity credential
[17:54.800 --> 18:01.800]  where they are now biometrifying the faces of mule skinners in tourist trade.
[18:01.800 --> 18:04.800]  They are going into our homes through our pets.
[18:04.800 --> 18:12.800]  They are going into our passport where a 15-year record of your internal travel is kept no matter what you have done.
[18:12.800 --> 18:19.800]  In June of 2009, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative's demand for biometrics for travel will increase,
[18:19.800 --> 18:22.800]  starting with backscatter machines at airports.
[18:22.800 --> 18:25.800]  It's not law, but it is policy.
[18:25.800 --> 18:31.800]  With this much silent struggle for private sovereignty versus the belligerence of a corporatized entitlement,
[18:31.800 --> 18:36.800]  and these guys, these tech companies do have a lot of entitlement issues on your money,
[18:36.800 --> 18:40.800]  you have a choice, win or lose.
[18:40.800 --> 18:46.800]  If you win, your identity does not become a parcel for trade by LexisNexis
[18:46.800 --> 18:53.800]  or a hidden third party who profiteers from tracking your actions and selling it as information.
[18:53.800 --> 18:56.800]  When you lose, you lose big.
[18:56.800 --> 19:01.800]  Identity theft is neither convenient or safe, and more and more people are suffering from it
[19:01.800 --> 19:07.800]  as they report losses every day to their licensed division at DPS.
[19:07.800 --> 19:12.800]  So we have enemies in this struggle, black market identity theft rings, corporate complicity,
[19:12.800 --> 19:18.800]  seeking no-bid contracts with the government regardless of the risk to consumers,
[19:18.800 --> 19:22.800]  and the apathy of those who are seeking the highest bid.
[19:22.800 --> 19:27.800]  These are the same people who call your rights of privacy immigration,
[19:27.800 --> 19:33.800]  skewing the issue so that Texans are misled by an immigration carrot they will never have in their grasp
[19:33.800 --> 19:37.800]  to their satisfaction with real ID regulations.
[19:37.800 --> 19:42.800]  So if you go for their immigration bait, you get a license that exposes you utterly.
[19:42.800 --> 19:49.800]  Those who persist with real ID regulations will be guilty of reckless endangerment of masses of people.
[19:49.800 --> 19:52.800]  So here is your chance to steer Texas the right way.
[19:52.800 --> 19:56.800]  Here is your chance to steer Texas the right way.
[19:56.800 --> 19:58.800]  We draw the line.
[19:58.800 --> 20:03.800]  We don't run our country like it's an eastern block of Europe circa 1940.
[20:03.800 --> 20:08.800]  It is time to remind our leaders of America of real identity.
[20:08.800 --> 20:14.800]  The plan to catalog you, fifth, create a product identity for you is not your idea.
[20:14.800 --> 20:19.800]  It's not an American idea. It's a globalist idea.
[20:19.800 --> 20:23.800]  Please don't concede to a place in your consciousness where you believe the policy generators
[20:23.800 --> 20:27.800]  who put real ID in place aren't looking for a way to save it. They aren't.
[20:27.800 --> 20:34.800]  Napolitano rebranding of real ID as enhanced driver's licenses is an attempt to save it.
[20:34.800 --> 20:40.800]  You must resolve that this is not your life before there is an end to RFID.
[20:40.800 --> 20:46.800]  Before there is an RFID reader on every street corner, every shopping center in your neighborhood.
[20:46.800 --> 20:54.800]  The work of the 511 campaign is to help introduce legislation, a concurrent resolution, disowning the Federal Real ID Act
[20:54.800 --> 21:00.800]  on the basis of privacy, identity security, and personal sovereignty.
[21:00.800 --> 21:08.800]  We've had some success calling up the 10th Amendment with HCR 50, and it's now in committee as of recently.
[21:08.800 --> 21:15.800]  However, we won't rest until we know for sure that Texas has opted out of this voluntary unfunded mandate.
[21:15.800 --> 21:22.800]  It is voluntary. No matter what they say, it's voluntary. You do not have to comply with the Real ID Act.
[21:22.800 --> 21:29.800]  Okay, so I'm going to wrap it up.
[21:29.800 --> 21:35.800]  Okay, so it's an unfunded mandate from DHS, and it's going to build their federal infrastructure.
[21:35.800 --> 21:42.800]  So you've got to say no to any finance to bring any of these regulations to fruition. It's your job.
[21:42.800 --> 21:50.800]  It's your job. So we want you to join us in action to stop enhanced driver's licenses in Texas by calling or visiting your legislators.
[21:50.800 --> 21:55.800]  We encourage you to do what is necessary. Put in a call during your lunch break.
[21:55.800 --> 22:02.800]  While the kids are napping, on Wednesday, March 4th, pick up the phone on March 4th and make the call to your legislator.
[22:02.800 --> 22:10.800]  On March 5th, some people are going to take off some time from work and go to Austin Capitol right up here, very close to Great New Book,
[22:10.800 --> 22:18.800]  and we're going to go together and we're going to say, I'm sorry, this isn't for us, not for Texas, no thank you.
[22:18.800 --> 22:24.800]  And then take some time to visit your district. If you can't do that, if you can't go with us to the Capitol, it's still okay.
[22:24.800 --> 22:32.800]  Maybe you can go out on the 6th and visit your district office if you don't live in Austin, because it's okay.
[22:32.800 --> 22:39.800]  You can use the phone and you can go to your district office. It's closer. Nothing in government of any worth happens without you.
[22:39.800 --> 22:45.800]  So no one will stand up for your identity like you, but the 511 Campaign is here to stand with you when you do.
[22:45.800 --> 22:56.800]  So in solidarity against RFID, the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative and the Real ID Act of 2005, we're here for you.
[22:56.800 --> 23:03.800]  So thank you for your time this evening. I look forward to taking questions later along with the rest of these fine women.
[23:03.800 --> 23:15.800]  And I would love to cointroduce Catherine Albrecht, everyone. Catherine Albrecht.
[23:15.800 --> 23:22.800]  I tell you what, everybody loves Catherine because of what you hear on the radio.
[23:22.800 --> 23:41.800]  You hear her love for you come through that radio. And it's just great to have these ladies here that are doing so much and that are so convicted to the cause.
[23:41.800 --> 23:49.800]  And especially Sheila, I just, that's a tough act to follow, but I think Catherine can do that.
[23:49.800 --> 24:01.800]  But Catherine, we thank you for coming here. She is the author of Five Chips and has been working the chip game first basically from privacy,
[24:01.800 --> 24:09.800]  but now it's escalated up to a full big forest fire, right? Thank you.
[24:09.800 --> 24:25.800]  I don't know whether to laugh or cry because we've been in trouble for too many years.
[24:25.800 --> 24:32.800]  I'm so ashamed. I think I'll laugh.
[24:32.800 --> 24:40.800]  All right. Now let me scare you for a minute. When you walked in, there was nobody at the door checking your ID, right?
[24:40.800 --> 24:46.800]  Look around. How many people in this room do you actually know? I'm looking around. I know maybe five or six of you.
[24:46.800 --> 24:51.800]  I probably know a lot of you by voice as college to my radio program. I probably know a lot of you by email.
[24:51.800 --> 24:56.800]  People send me all sorts of interesting stories, and I feel like I have a lot of fun here in Austin.
[24:56.800 --> 25:06.800]  But when I look around this room, you are known to me by your level of liberty, but you're not known to me by name, and I like it that way.
[25:06.800 --> 25:11.800]  There are a lot of people out there who would very much like to know every single person in this room
[25:11.800 --> 25:15.800]  and would very much like to create a dossier on every single one of you and know where you leave
[25:15.800 --> 25:20.800]  and where you go to when you leave here this afternoon and how you get there and in which car you travel
[25:20.800 --> 25:26.800]  and what the license plate number on the back of that car is and who your fellow passengers are in that car.
[25:26.800 --> 25:29.800]  There are people who would like to know where you go to dinner tonight when you leave here.
[25:29.800 --> 25:33.800]  There are people who would like to know what books you buy or maybe what books you pick up off the shelf
[25:33.800 --> 25:38.800]  and peruse while you're here in Brave New Books. Let me ask you something.
[25:38.800 --> 25:42.800]  I want you to – let me have you go with me on a little futuristic journey here,
[25:42.800 --> 25:48.800]  and let's travel about five years into the future. That's usually about how far ahead my brain works.
[25:48.800 --> 25:52.800]  So five years into the future, when you walked through the door of Brave New Books
[25:52.800 --> 25:57.800]  and you came down those steps to come into here, I want you to imagine that there was a little trash can.
[25:57.800 --> 26:01.800]  You didn't even notice it as you walked through the doorway. Maybe it was outside on the sidewalk.
[26:01.800 --> 26:05.800]  And as you walked by that trash can, a reader device inside of that trash can
[26:05.800 --> 26:08.800]  did sort of an invisible frisk of you as you walked past.
[26:08.800 --> 26:14.800]  And what it was frisking for was an RFID tag, presumably in your driver's license.
[26:14.800 --> 26:19.800]  Now, if you were too smart for that one and maybe you had a, I don't know, a lead-lined wallet,
[26:19.800 --> 26:23.800]  then it would start frisking for other things. How about an RFID-tagged credit card?
[26:23.800 --> 26:29.800]  There's over 100 million of those issued in the United States right now, ATM cards and credit cards with RFID in them.
[26:29.800 --> 26:34.800]  If you didn't find that, it would be frisking for an RFID tag, oh, maybe in your Calvin Klein shirt
[26:34.800 --> 26:40.800]  or maybe in the sole of your tennis shoes or maybe in your Levi's brand jeans.
[26:40.800 --> 26:45.800]  These are all companies that have been experimenting with the idea of hiding RFID tags in your belongings.
[26:45.800 --> 26:49.800]  And when they did that, at that point then, a record would be made.
[26:49.800 --> 26:54.800]  Well, we know how many people walked into Brave New Books, so we know all the things associated with them.
[26:54.800 --> 26:59.800]  And I'm guessing, I did an experiment a couple years ago when I was leaving to give a speech.
[26:59.800 --> 27:03.800]  And I did sort of an inventory of all the things that I was wearing and carrying
[27:03.800 --> 27:06.800]  that at this future point would have an RFID tag in them.
[27:06.800 --> 27:11.800]  It was about 45 things. I mean, I had my purse with me, I had a comb, I had a lipstick,
[27:11.800 --> 27:15.800]  I had pantyhose on, I had all sorts of things with me and on me.
[27:15.800 --> 27:21.800]  And of those 45 things, most of them were things that I had bought that you could directly associate with me,
[27:21.800 --> 27:25.800]  like my shoes, people usually don't buy you shoes because they've got to fit.
[27:25.800 --> 27:29.800]  Usually you buy your own shoes. My own underwear, you know, certain things that I had bought.
[27:29.800 --> 27:33.800]  But there were some other things on me that would have told even more about me.
[27:33.800 --> 27:39.800]  I had a watch that my mother had given to me for my graduation. That was on my wrist.
[27:39.800 --> 27:44.800]  So now if you scanned it, you'd know that that was bought by her at a particular store, at a particular date.
[27:44.800 --> 27:49.800]  So now you know somebody associated with me. I had my husband's winter scarf around my neck,
[27:49.800 --> 27:54.800]  something that he had bought. The scarves are pretty genderless. So I had a scarf around my neck.
[27:54.800 --> 27:58.800]  Now you know who he was. And what was more interesting still was I had a cheap,
[27:58.800 --> 28:05.800]  probably a 49 cent big pen tucked into my purse. Well, that 49 cent big pen was not mine.
[28:05.800 --> 28:10.800]  I had accidentally stolen it the day before from a reporter who I had had lunch with.
[28:10.800 --> 28:14.800]  So now you know who I've been talking to. So not only do you know who I am,
[28:14.800 --> 28:17.800]  but you know who my extended circle of acquaintances are.
[28:17.800 --> 28:20.800]  And so if you wanted to look at an event like this, which at some point in the future,
[28:20.800 --> 28:23.800]  an event like this may not even be legal any longer.
[28:23.800 --> 28:29.800]  There's certainly precedent for making events where people get together to talk about the corruption
[28:29.800 --> 28:33.800]  on the part of their governments and their corporate overlords. And that's become a crime.
[28:33.800 --> 28:37.800]  So one of the reasons why we're guaranteed in the First Amendment of the Constitution,
[28:37.800 --> 28:41.800]  the right to assemble and the right to free speech, because that's one of the first things they want to go after.
[28:41.800 --> 28:47.800]  Because when you assemble, there's power in numbers. And when you speak, there's power in the truth.
[28:47.800 --> 28:51.800]  And when you combine those two things, usually things tend to happen.
[28:51.800 --> 28:57.800]  So at that future point, not only would you know who was in this room fighting for liberty or caring about liberty,
[28:57.800 --> 29:00.800]  but you'd know who to go after to start asking questions about you.
[29:00.800 --> 29:06.800]  Or maybe who to go after to start seeing if maybe some of those colleagues or those people whose scarves
[29:06.800 --> 29:11.800]  or pens you're carrying might be willing to become informants or might be willing to watch you in other ways.
[29:11.800 --> 29:17.800]  Or maybe they could be leaned on. So there is definitely a historical precedent for that.
[29:17.800 --> 29:24.800]  The good news today, I am guessing that in this entire room, the only RFID tags on anybody
[29:24.800 --> 29:29.800]  are either on your building access passes. Those of you who work for a corporation have an ID tag.
[29:29.800 --> 29:37.800]  Press it up against the wall, right? That's an RFID tag. And probably on your credit cards and your ATM cards.
[29:37.800 --> 29:43.800]  Now, the good news, there is no RFID tag probably at this point in your shoes or sewn into your clothing.
[29:43.800 --> 29:55.800]  And there is no RFID tag. And here's where we need applause. There is no RFID tag in your driver's license.
[29:55.800 --> 30:00.800]  Now, I've been working in the trenches on these issues since 1999 when I first founded Caspian.
[30:00.800 --> 30:05.800]  And for those of you who know anything about my history, I got started doing this fighting supermarket frequent shopper cards
[30:05.800 --> 30:09.800]  because something didn't seem right to me about showing a numbered ID card
[30:09.800 --> 30:14.800]  in order to get decent prices on something as basic for life as food.
[30:14.800 --> 30:18.800]  And when I discovered that every time you scan that little, you know, Tom Thumb grocery card
[30:18.800 --> 30:26.800]  or the Albertsons preferred customer card or the Safeway card, that they were making a record of all of your food purchases.
[30:26.800 --> 30:30.800]  Those records in the future are going to come back and bite us in a big way.
[30:30.800 --> 30:34.800]  In fact, there's already plans afoot and those are things that we can talk about.
[30:34.800 --> 30:41.800]  But that agenda of capturing a database of information about you and about the food that you consume
[30:41.800 --> 30:46.800]  is now expanding to wanting to control the food supply utterly and completely.
[30:46.800 --> 30:48.800]  So I'm kind of coming full circle in a way.
[30:48.800 --> 30:53.800]  It's like I sort of moved away from food surveillance into this whole world of RFID.
[30:53.800 --> 31:00.800]  And now, thanks to the efforts of folks like Judith and others to educate us about the National Animal Identification System,
[31:00.800 --> 31:05.800]  I can tell you that I believe that they are trying to control the food supply utterly.
[31:05.800 --> 31:08.800]  There's a very dangerous and frightening precedent for that in the Soviet Union
[31:08.800 --> 31:13.800]  where literally tens of millions of people were starved to death through control of their food supply.
[31:13.800 --> 31:18.800]  And it's one of the ways that you can get an unruly and restless population to quickly comply
[31:18.800 --> 31:21.800]  is you cut them off from being able to obtain food.
[31:21.800 --> 31:26.800]  Now, if they do, how many of you have thought, and I certainly have, that if things get bad enough,
[31:26.800 --> 31:31.800]  I'll just go live in the country, I'll just get off the grid, I'll just go and live in the woods,
[31:31.800 --> 31:35.800]  I'll live under a rock before I will take part in any of this stuff.
[31:35.800 --> 31:37.800]  If it gets that bad, that's what I'll do.
[31:37.800 --> 31:42.800]  Well, I'll tell you this, let's say you want to go to the country where you've got to eat something.
[31:42.800 --> 31:46.800]  And for most of us, eating something means you have a couple of chickens, maybe some eggs,
[31:46.800 --> 31:52.800]  maybe you have a cow, maybe you have some milk, maybe you plant some seeds in the ground.
[31:52.800 --> 31:54.800]  All of those options are being cut off from you.
[31:54.800 --> 31:57.800]  Pay attention to that because the woods are not going to be an option.
[31:57.800 --> 31:59.800]  The farms are not going to be an option.
[31:59.800 --> 32:01.800]  You know what I just found out?
[32:01.800 --> 32:06.800]  I was doing some research for my appearance last week on Coast to Coast where I talked about the grid,
[32:06.800 --> 32:08.800]  the frightening power grid that's coming our way.
[32:08.800 --> 32:11.800]  And in the course of doing that research, you know what I discovered?
[32:11.800 --> 32:14.800]  They've even found a way to track all the trees.
[32:14.800 --> 32:17.800]  Yeah, let me tell you this because it's an interesting story.
[32:17.800 --> 32:22.800]  So there's this senior at MIT, you know, the brain trust for all the engineers.
[32:22.800 --> 32:25.800]  Well, when he was a freshman, he got this question in his head,
[32:25.800 --> 32:30.800]  and it was about something we've long known, that trees give off a slight electric charge.
[32:30.800 --> 32:32.800]  And so he wanted to figure out why that was.
[32:32.800 --> 32:37.800]  So he spent four years of his undergraduate education at MIT in engineering trying to figure this puzzle out.
[32:37.800 --> 32:41.800]  So first they thought, well, maybe it's kind of like that where you put the lemon, you know, in high school,
[32:41.800 --> 32:44.800]  you put the lemon and you make a lemon battery or a potato battery.
[32:44.800 --> 32:46.800]  So they tested that. That wasn't it.
[32:46.800 --> 32:48.800]  And then they tried a whole bunch of other things.
[32:48.800 --> 32:55.800]  He discovered that the reason trees give off electricity is because their roots have a different pH from the soil,
[32:55.800 --> 32:58.800]  and that slight pH imbalance creates an electrical charge.
[32:58.800 --> 33:02.800]  All right, so for most of us, we go, well, you know, that's very interesting, nice, you know, OK, move on.
[33:02.800 --> 33:07.800]  So he gets this idea and he says, wow, so trees give off electricity.
[33:07.800 --> 33:10.800]  What can we do with that? Do you know what he came up with?
[33:10.800 --> 33:14.800]  He came up with a device that you can literally hammer into the ground. It's cheap.
[33:14.800 --> 33:18.800]  It makes contact with the roots. It picks up electricity. And what does he want to do with it?
[33:18.800 --> 33:22.800]  Put an RFID tag on every tree. Yeah.
[33:22.800 --> 33:27.800]  So that and then link them all up, creating a total surveillance grid in the woods.
[33:27.800 --> 33:30.800]  So you think you're going to run away from this by going onto a farm? Forget it.
[33:30.800 --> 33:33.800]  You think you're going to run away from this by going out to the woods?
[33:33.800 --> 33:38.800]  No, because even if you disable three or four of these things, even if you can find them
[33:38.800 --> 33:43.800]  hammered into the base of a tree in the dirt, this thing is self-repairing.
[33:43.800 --> 33:46.800]  It just goes around the missing nodes in the network.
[33:46.800 --> 33:50.800]  They have a vision, I'm not kidding you, where every physical object, every tree, every bird,
[33:50.800 --> 33:55.800]  every cat, every dog, every person is tagged and tracked 24-7.
[33:55.800 --> 33:57.800]  And they're going to pull it off if we don't stop them.
[33:57.800 --> 34:01.800]  The technologies are there. The only thing standing between us right now
[34:01.800 --> 34:08.800]  and absolute total surveillance, which ultimately will mean absolute total tyranny, is you and me.
[34:08.800 --> 34:10.800]  That's it. There is nothing that will stop them, these guys.
[34:10.800 --> 34:14.800]  The courts aren't stopping them. The corporations are profiting from it.
[34:14.800 --> 34:17.800]  Do you know what the biggest market last year for RFID was on the globe?
[34:17.800 --> 34:21.800]  You'll love this. It was China. You know why?
[34:21.800 --> 34:28.800]  Because China issued a mandatory national ID card with full tracking capability RFID tagged
[34:28.800 --> 34:31.800]  to every single person in China. That's over a billion people.
[34:31.800 --> 34:35.800]  And the reason why now they're moving on, and see I saw this coming,
[34:35.800 --> 34:41.800]  last year when that contract was completed, big companies, American companies,
[34:41.800 --> 34:44.800]  that ought to know better than putting this kind of technology into the hands
[34:44.800 --> 34:46.800]  of the communist government to track their people.
[34:46.800 --> 34:51.800]  Companies like Hewlett-Packard, companies like Dell, like Cisco, like IBM, big companies.
[34:51.800 --> 34:56.800]  Our companies, presumably. These companies were wringing their hands
[34:56.800 --> 35:01.800]  and crying over the fact that now their big cash cow had gone away.
[35:01.800 --> 35:05.800]  Now that we've fulfilled the contract, now that we've made the billions,
[35:05.800 --> 35:10.800]  literally billions, you know how much it costs to create one billion RFID tagged
[35:10.800 --> 35:13.800]  driver's licenses or RFID tagged national ID cards?
[35:13.800 --> 35:16.800]  A fortune. These guys made a ton of money off of that.
[35:16.800 --> 35:19.800]  And then they turned around, you know, I know this because I get all the
[35:19.800 --> 35:21.800]  industry publications, they turned around and said,
[35:21.800 --> 35:26.800]  well now we're just back to tagging products and where's the money in there?
[35:26.800 --> 35:29.800]  So you know what they're doing now? They're going after Janet Napolitano.
[35:29.800 --> 35:33.800]  They're going after Obama. They're going after your state legislature.
[35:33.800 --> 35:37.800]  They're going after everybody they can find to say, hey, guess what?
[35:37.800 --> 35:40.800]  Give me 100 million Americans? You need to chip them.
[35:40.800 --> 35:42.800]  You need to put an RFID tag in their driver's licenses.
[35:42.800 --> 35:45.800]  It'll be really good for the economy. We'll keep making money.
[35:45.800 --> 35:49.800]  So that's why they're coming for you. It's money. It's plain and simple.
[35:49.800 --> 35:51.800]  And that's why the corporations are coming for you.
[35:51.800 --> 35:54.800]  The government's coming for you because they're doing what governments have always done.
[35:54.800 --> 35:57.800]  Governments are coming for you because they want power over you.
[35:57.800 --> 36:00.800]  They want to see you grovel at their feet. That's the kind of people they are.
[36:00.800 --> 36:02.800]  That's why they do what they do.
[36:02.800 --> 36:06.800]  You know, my definition for government, and those of you listening to my radio show, you know this.
[36:06.800 --> 36:10.800]  It's people who have sought power over other people and obtained it.
[36:10.800 --> 36:12.800]  Plain and simple. That's who we're up against.
[36:12.800 --> 36:14.800]  There's nothing different between them and us.
[36:14.800 --> 36:17.800]  The only thing that makes us different from these people who wear their suits,
[36:17.800 --> 36:21.800]  their $3,000 suits and, you know, stand a little taller than everybody else,
[36:21.800 --> 36:24.800]  is the fact that they've sought power.
[36:24.800 --> 36:27.800]  And we voted them in. Shame on us.
[36:27.800 --> 36:32.800]  All right. There are so many aspects of this coming together right now.
[36:32.800 --> 36:36.800]  And I'd like to, first of all, put out a huge word of thank you
[36:36.800 --> 36:39.800]  to my three wonderful and beautiful female colleagues here
[36:39.800 --> 36:50.800]  for their extraordinary efforts on this. I'd like to give them a hand right now.
[36:50.800 --> 36:55.800]  And let me tell you why their efforts are so crucial for this very important moment in history.
[36:55.800 --> 36:58.800]  I've been working on this stuff for about 10 years, as you know.
[36:58.800 --> 37:03.800]  And I have to say that I have not been fully scared until now.
[37:03.800 --> 37:07.800]  And I have had some moments when I've just kind of looked at my husband and said,
[37:07.800 --> 37:09.800]  honey, I'm scared.
[37:09.800 --> 37:12.800]  You're scared? Oh, yeah. I am, actually.
[37:12.800 --> 37:17.800]  And the reason for that is because I see where all of these, you know, it's like the trajectory.
[37:17.800 --> 37:20.800]  Things are all aiming and they're all aiming at one central location,
[37:20.800 --> 37:25.800]  whether it's animal IDs in your pets, whether it's animal IDs in your farm animals,
[37:25.800 --> 37:31.800]  whether it's an RFID tag in your driver's license, regardless of what the issue is, real ID,
[37:31.800 --> 37:33.800]  they're all aiming at one central target.
[37:33.800 --> 37:38.800]  And you can see it's like they're all, do you guys remember Close Encounters?
[37:38.800 --> 37:41.800]  I'm revealing my age, back in the 1970s.
[37:41.800 --> 37:44.800]  Close Encounters are the third kind. I think I got that right.
[37:44.800 --> 37:48.800]  Was, you know, everybody had to go to that, like, hill for whatever reason.
[37:48.800 --> 37:49.800]  They were all, like, compelled.
[37:49.800 --> 37:52.800]  They just had to get to this hill and make, you know, fantasizing about this hill
[37:52.800 --> 37:54.800]  and making clay models of the hill.
[37:54.800 --> 37:57.800]  And those of you who haven't seen it, check it out. It's a good movie.
[37:57.800 --> 37:59.800]  But they all had to go to this one central place.
[37:59.800 --> 38:01.800]  That's where we are right now.
[38:01.800 --> 38:03.800]  The corporations are all doing it.
[38:03.800 --> 38:05.800]  The agribusiness is all doing it.
[38:05.800 --> 38:10.800]  The regulatory bodies, the FDA, the USDA, you name it, they're all doing it.
[38:10.800 --> 38:15.800]  The government is doing it. It's like everybody is converging in one central location.
[38:15.800 --> 38:18.800]  And what is that central place where all this stuff is going to finally wind up?
[38:18.800 --> 38:20.800]  It's going to wind up in your right hand or your forehead.
[38:20.800 --> 38:22.800]  Because that's exactly what is happening right now.
[38:22.800 --> 38:25.800]  The national animal identification system.
[38:25.800 --> 38:27.800]  Let's get all the animals tagged first.
[38:27.800 --> 38:32.800]  Let's tag every cow, every pig, every chicken, every duck, so that you can't eat.
[38:32.800 --> 38:35.800]  You can't get off the grid. You're going to be under our thumb in that sense.
[38:35.800 --> 38:39.800]  And after we're done doing that, let's tag all of the dogs and the cats
[38:39.800 --> 38:45.800]  so that literally every living, breathing, red-blooded, and even fish, even cold-blooded,
[38:45.800 --> 38:48.800]  living being on this planet has a microchip in it.
[38:48.800 --> 38:51.800]  Do you know already they've tagged literally millions of salmon?
[38:51.800 --> 38:54.800]  In fact, they've tagged so many salmon up in the Northwest.
[38:54.800 --> 38:57.800]  They have a big tunnel that these tagged salmon go through.
[38:57.800 --> 39:00.800]  It's an enormous RFID reader. It's bigger than this room.
[39:00.800 --> 39:05.800]  And as the water rushes through, they sort of blast these poor fish with an electromagnetic beam.
[39:05.800 --> 39:08.800]  And then they read their chips.
[39:08.800 --> 39:12.800]  There are so many microchips in the fish up in the Northwest, the Pacific Northwest,
[39:12.800 --> 39:15.800]  that you can fly over the little islands up there,
[39:15.800 --> 39:18.800]  and you can actually see them glistening in the sun.
[39:18.800 --> 39:20.800]  And you know why they glisten?
[39:20.800 --> 39:23.800]  Because the Caspian terns, those are fish that eat the salmon,
[39:23.800 --> 39:27.800]  have eaten so many of these salmon with the microchips that when they poop them out again,
[39:27.800 --> 39:30.800]  everything biodegrades except the microchips.
[39:30.800 --> 39:33.800]  And you can literally fly over and the islands are shining
[39:33.800 --> 39:39.800]  with hundreds and thousands of microchips that have been excreted from these birds eating these salmon.
[39:39.800 --> 39:43.800]  So we're looking to a point where every animal is going to be chipped,
[39:43.800 --> 39:45.800]  and then they're going to come for the treats.
[39:45.800 --> 39:47.800]  They've got the technology to do it.
[39:47.800 --> 39:50.800]  And then when they've come for everything else, then they're going to come for all the products.
[39:50.800 --> 39:52.800]  I've been talking about this for years.
[39:52.800 --> 39:56.800]  Those of you who are lucky enough to get our limited number of copies of spy chips tonight,
[39:56.800 --> 39:58.800]  because I don't think we ordered enough,
[39:58.800 --> 40:01.800]  will be able to read about how they plan to tag every sewing needle,
[40:01.800 --> 40:04.800]  every pencil, every Boeing jet, the list goes on and on.
[40:04.800 --> 40:11.800]  But literally every physical object manufactured in every manufacturing plant on the globe will be microchipped.
[40:11.800 --> 40:18.800]  So now we're talking every animal, every fish, every tree, every pair of shoes, every book.
[40:18.800 --> 40:20.800]  What's left?
[40:20.800 --> 40:23.800]  Us. That's it. It's us. I mean, that's it.
[40:23.800 --> 40:25.800]  They're coming for us.
[40:25.800 --> 40:29.800]  And they're circling the wagons and they're coming at us from every possible angle.
[40:29.800 --> 40:31.800]  And the endpoint of all of this is coming for us.
[40:31.800 --> 40:37.800]  And I'll tell you, after five years, it's been longer, it was 2002, so after what, seven years?
[40:37.800 --> 40:38.800]  I shudder to say it.
[40:38.800 --> 40:43.800]  After six or seven years of working on this RFID issue and trying to raise awareness about it,
[40:43.800 --> 40:48.800]  I feel like the world finally caught up with what I saw six or seven years ago when I first discovered this technology.
[40:48.800 --> 40:54.800]  I have this sort of unfortunate curse that I'm able to kind of see like five years ahead of exactly what's going to come.
[40:54.800 --> 40:58.800]  And then I tell people and they're like, oh, come on, get out of here.
[40:58.800 --> 40:59.800]  They're never going to do that.
[40:59.800 --> 41:04.800]  In fact, I remember Mark Roberty of the RFID Journal saying, we'll never use RFID to tag people.
[41:04.800 --> 41:06.800]  You're paranoid.
[41:06.800 --> 41:10.800]  And now look, what are all the big companies looking to do?
[41:10.800 --> 41:12.800]  Stick an RFID tag in your driver's license.
[41:12.800 --> 41:17.800]  So now I'm going to put my I'm going to look into the future here again, another five to seven years.
[41:17.800 --> 41:24.800]  And I'll tell you, I think that's probably about how long we have until they start saying mandatory microchips in human beings.
[41:24.800 --> 41:31.800]  So this is I'm going to say this is the moment because with all of the transportation tracking happening,
[41:31.800 --> 41:38.800]  with all of the food tracking happening, with all of the money being appropriated through the stimulus package,
[41:38.800 --> 41:43.800]  talk about a bone to oval to move all this stuff forward in a way they never could have done without the economic crisis.
[41:43.800 --> 41:50.800]  Thirty billion dollars for a smart grid that would enable information to flow out of your home, not just into your home.
[41:50.800 --> 41:54.800]  That's what's going to enable the RFID smart home of the future where they can listen to your conversations,
[41:54.800 --> 41:59.800]  where they can know what's in your closet, where they can know every time you take a stick of butter out of the refrigerator
[41:59.800 --> 42:02.800]  and make a note on your health care record about it.
[42:02.800 --> 42:06.800]  Thirty billion dollars allocated for creating that already.
[42:06.800 --> 42:08.800]  Yeah, it just happened.
[42:08.800 --> 42:09.800]  Who noticed, huh?
[42:09.800 --> 42:12.800]  Who noticed in all those pages of stimulus bill?
[42:12.800 --> 42:13.800]  So this is it.
[42:13.800 --> 42:17.800]  I mean, I've referred to this many times as an arms race.
[42:17.800 --> 42:19.800]  They're winning right now, guys.
[42:19.800 --> 42:20.800]  They're winning.
[42:20.800 --> 42:25.800]  They've got the money, they've got the organization, and they've got the technology.
[42:25.800 --> 42:26.800]  Here's the good news.
[42:26.800 --> 42:36.800]  We've got the numbers.
[42:36.800 --> 42:39.800]  There are more of us by far than there are of them.
[42:39.800 --> 42:40.800]  There always have been.
[42:40.800 --> 42:42.800]  That's the nature of tyranny.
[42:42.800 --> 42:47.800]  And in fact, the only thing that allows them to maintain their position of power is by trying to convince us
[42:47.800 --> 42:50.800]  that there are more of them than there are of us and they're not.
[42:50.800 --> 42:56.800]  There's about 80 percent of the world, 70 to 80 percent, depends, who pretty much does nothing.
[42:56.800 --> 43:02.800]  And then of the remainder, there's about 95 percent who are good and about 5 percent who are bad.
[43:02.800 --> 43:06.800]  And that 5 percent who are bad, unfortunately, tend to get into really prominent positions of power
[43:06.800 --> 43:10.800]  and authority over the rest of us, but we still outnumber them immensely.
[43:10.800 --> 43:12.800]  So now is the time.
[43:12.800 --> 43:15.800]  And when I say now is the time, I'm thrilled to see you guys turning out for this.
[43:15.800 --> 43:19.800]  I like to think that this is the first in what is going to become many,
[43:19.800 --> 43:22.800]  many similar events where we turn out in enormous numbers.
[43:22.800 --> 43:24.800]  I want you to look around and bear in mind.
[43:24.800 --> 43:25.800]  So take a look.
[43:25.800 --> 43:27.800]  There's a hallway here that's packed, right?
[43:27.800 --> 43:28.800]  This room is packed.
[43:28.800 --> 43:31.800]  Those of you who are watching on the simulcast video can't see this,
[43:31.800 --> 43:37.800]  but I want to tell you that from what's in this room, it's probably, I'm guessing, about 130 people,
[43:37.800 --> 43:39.800]  probably in this front area, maybe 150.
[43:39.800 --> 43:43.800]  There's probably another 150 people behind you that I'm looking at.
[43:43.800 --> 43:48.800]  And there's an overspill or an overflow room of people who literally could not fit into this room
[43:48.800 --> 43:51.800]  that contains another 50 or 60 people.
[43:51.800 --> 43:52.800]  That's a big crowd.
[43:52.800 --> 44:04.800]  I don't know where you guys parked.
[44:04.800 --> 44:06.800]  So that's some serious dedication.
[44:06.800 --> 44:11.800]  I'm guessing that there's people here who had to walk like a mile to get here because there is no parking.
[44:11.800 --> 44:14.800]  We're right across the street from a university campus.
[44:14.800 --> 44:19.800]  So even with no parking, you guys have turned out and managed to come out here.
[44:19.800 --> 44:24.800]  Now, I want you, once again, I want you to look around and I want you to imagine, okay, let me paint a scenario
[44:24.800 --> 44:28.800]  and I want you to look around at your fellow freedom-loving, wonderful people here.
[44:28.800 --> 44:35.800]  Imagine that you are Mayor Susan Norves of San Marcos, Texas.
[44:35.800 --> 44:42.800]  Now, who is that? That's the Mayor who we are all, I hope every person in this room, is going to show up for tomorrow
[44:42.800 --> 44:46.800]  and say, hi there.
[44:46.800 --> 44:50.800]  We're the citizens and we're peacefully here to ask that you listen to us.
[44:50.800 --> 44:52.800]  Would you do that?
[44:52.800 --> 44:53.800]  All right.
[44:53.800 --> 44:57.800]  Do you picture 300 people standing outside of that City Hall?
[44:57.800 --> 44:59.800]  All right. What would you do?
[44:59.800 --> 45:02.800]  You're used to your City Hall meetings being immensely boring.
[45:02.800 --> 45:08.800]  Nobody shows up for them, maybe half a dozen people at most and they're the same faces you see every week.
[45:08.800 --> 45:15.800]  So you show up and you think it's going to be another boring Tuesday night and you drive up and you're like,
[45:15.800 --> 45:19.800]  what the heck is going on? What are these people here for?
[45:19.800 --> 45:22.800]  And then you realize they're here for you.
[45:22.800 --> 45:25.800]  Now, is that going to rock or what?
[45:25.800 --> 45:26.800]  So what do you think?
[45:26.800 --> 45:33.800]  Yeah. What do you think the Mayor and the City Council tomorrow night with their dumb little dog microchipping ordinance,
[45:33.800 --> 45:40.800]  what do you think they're going to do when they look out of their car window and go, do I even want to get out of the car?
[45:40.800 --> 45:42.800]  All right. That's what's going to happen.
[45:42.800 --> 45:45.800]  Now, I want that to happen everywhere all the time.
[45:45.800 --> 45:49.800]  I want to see a thousand people showing up. I want to see 10,000 people showing up.
[45:49.800 --> 45:55.800]  I want to see when they hold these hearings, when they hold these meetings, the things that I've been going to alone for the last 10 years,
[45:55.800 --> 45:59.800]  I don't want to be alone anymore. I want to see a thousand, 10,000 people showing up.
[45:59.800 --> 46:02.800]  I want it to be like, you know, Life Magazine.
[46:02.800 --> 46:05.800]  I'm not old enough to have lived through it, but Life Magazine.
[46:05.800 --> 46:12.800]  When I flip through Life Magazine and I see the civil rights movement and I see those streets packed with people standing out there going,
[46:12.800 --> 46:15.800]  we've had enough. We've had enough.
[46:15.800 --> 46:19.800]  And we're here to tell you things are going to change.
[46:19.800 --> 46:23.800]  And what do you do when you look out and you see a thousand people? You can arrest them all.
[46:23.800 --> 46:25.800]  You can't. What are you going to charge them with?
[46:25.800 --> 46:29.800]  Standing there looking you in the eye and saying, you're our government. Please do our bidding.
[46:29.800 --> 46:32.800]  So that's where we need to be. We need to be there yesterday.
[46:32.800 --> 46:37.800]  And I'm glad we're getting there today. And we definitely need to be there tomorrow.
[46:37.800 --> 46:39.800]  All right. On that note, let's go forth.
[46:39.800 --> 46:42.800]  And I'm going to use a great Japanese word here, ganbatte.
[46:42.800 --> 46:46.800]  Anybody know that word? It's a great one. It means to go forth and conquer.
[46:46.800 --> 46:48.800]  So I look forward to seeing you all in San Marcos.
[46:48.800 --> 46:54.800]  We're going to open up question and answers here shortly with all of these wonderful activists assembled in one place.
[46:54.800 --> 47:19.800]  But let me tell you, I hope to see you all there tomorrow. Ganbatte. Let's kick butt.
[47:19.800 --> 47:32.800]  Wow. In such a little time, she said so much. Of course, she's got good practice.
[47:32.800 --> 47:43.800]  You know, this whole thing is just so wonderful that, again, I'd like to repeat that everyone has assembled together and has a common effort.
[47:43.800 --> 47:53.800]  There's many causes out here, but I think that ID and chipping is an easy one to win.
[47:53.800 --> 47:59.800]  And maybe the word easy is not good. Maybe I should use a different term.
[47:59.800 --> 48:05.800]  But basically, it's the kind of thing we can all get behind.
[48:05.800 --> 48:10.800]  You can talk to your neighbor and they're not going to say they're not going to do that.
[48:10.800 --> 48:14.800]  Well, here it is right here in the card. Look at it.
[48:14.800 --> 48:19.800]  Or next time you go to the supermarket, look there.
[48:19.800 --> 48:22.800]  Or when you go to DPS, ask them.
[48:22.800 --> 48:29.800]  By the way, I think there's a lot of people that are getting away from even carrying a driver's license,
[48:29.800 --> 48:38.800]  because unless you're in commercial traffic, I understand you don't have to have one.
[48:38.800 --> 48:45.800]  That's a different topic for another day.
[48:45.800 --> 48:52.800]  And please don't tell the trooper that stopped me down in anything different.
[48:52.800 --> 49:02.800]  But I'd also like to say a thank you to George Butler and Deborah Stevens for doing the live broadcast.
[49:02.800 --> 49:05.800]  I haven't seen Deborah here.
[49:05.800 --> 49:14.800]  And Freedom Underground Radio and Rule of Law Radio and, of course, Brave New Books again.
[49:14.800 --> 49:23.800]  Harlan and let's try to leave things orderly and clean.
[49:23.800 --> 49:29.800]  The Q&A, one thing I'd like to announce is that the wireless mic has to be limited to here
[49:29.800 --> 49:36.800]  because of the delay that's there in the other room. So we don't want the wireless to go there.
[49:36.800 --> 49:39.800]  Otherwise, people will get confused.
[49:39.800 --> 49:45.800]  Anybody from the other room that has a question, you'll have to come up to where Harlan is there.
[49:45.800 --> 49:48.800]  And he's got the mic right there.
[49:48.800 --> 49:57.800]  So start thinking of who you want to address the question to and get that to him.
[49:57.800 --> 50:13.800]  And also a thank you to Catherine Allen for sponsoring the airline ticket to Catherine Albrecht.
[50:13.800 --> 50:19.800]  I haven't had the pleasure of meeting her, but it's really great.
[50:19.800 --> 50:28.800]  We need people with real commitment, whether you can give a little bit or you can give time.
[50:28.800 --> 50:33.800]  Most of us patriots are poor.
[50:33.800 --> 50:38.800]  But I think that that comes from the heart easier than coming from the pocketbook.
[50:38.800 --> 50:43.800]  But it's good to have people that do both because I know some of them.
[50:43.800 --> 50:51.800]  And whenever you've got that, that you can share it with a cause that takes care of your freedom
[50:51.800 --> 50:58.800]  and their freedom and everybody's freedom, our children, our grandchildren's freedom, then it's right.
[50:58.800 --> 51:01.800]  And I think it's right by God.
[51:01.800 --> 51:07.800]  I'd like to also announce that Patrick Tamponi has a radio program
[51:07.800 --> 51:12.800]  and Catherine is going to be there Thursday on the 5th.
[51:12.800 --> 51:15.800]  Is there any other announcements?
[51:15.800 --> 51:18.800]  Okay. Great.
[51:18.800 --> 51:33.800]  In fact, it's extremely like my phone's been ringing off the hook
[51:33.800 --> 51:38.800]  because in the last week we had the San Marcos event.
[51:38.800 --> 51:44.800]  I'm getting phone calls from national radio hosts like Ron Reagan and Janet Herschel.
[51:44.800 --> 51:48.800]  There's a ton of people calling me about this story that was in Wilmette Daily
[51:48.800 --> 51:52.800]  about the strategizing thing, so we're getting the word out about that.
[51:52.800 --> 51:55.800]  Coast to Coast AM, of course, I did a two-hour appearance the other night
[51:55.800 --> 52:00.800]  listening to by 12 million people on the national electricity grid that's coming in.
[52:00.800 --> 52:03.800]  Getting lots of calls on that. So we are...
[52:03.800 --> 52:09.800]  Oh, absolutely.
[52:09.800 --> 52:11.800]  So you're among the 12 million, yes.
[52:11.800 --> 52:15.800]  So the numbers, I think, are starting to grow.
[52:15.800 --> 52:18.800]  And I did this the other day on my radio show.
[52:18.800 --> 52:22.800]  I said, I want you to know you're not alone because sometimes it can be really frustrating
[52:22.800 --> 52:24.800]  because we're surrounded by people who just don't get it.
[52:24.800 --> 52:25.800]  All of us are.
[52:25.800 --> 52:28.800]  You know, you walk down the street, you try to talk to somebody.
[52:28.800 --> 52:32.800]  Jim, I think it was, was talking to people, trying to hand out flyers about the dogs.
[52:32.800 --> 52:35.800]  I'm proud of having microchipped my dog. I think it's a good thing.
[52:35.800 --> 52:40.800]  So you can kind of feel like a little bit alone if you let yourself.
[52:40.800 --> 52:43.800]  And I just want you to look around at this crowd.
[52:43.800 --> 52:45.800]  And I want you to realize that we're not alone.
[52:45.800 --> 52:48.800]  These are just the people who were able to take time off from kids and family.
[52:48.800 --> 52:51.800]  These are just the people who were able to find parking.
[52:51.800 --> 52:56.800]  These are just the people who were among probably the 5% of people who wanted to be here
[52:56.800 --> 52:58.800]  who actually were fortunate enough to be able to do it.
[52:58.800 --> 53:02.800]  So I want you to multiply this crowd by about 20 of people who specifically
[53:02.800 --> 53:04.800]  probably wanted to be here tonight.
[53:04.800 --> 53:07.800]  And then if you multiply that among people who just didn't hear about it
[53:07.800 --> 53:10.800]  and would have wanted to be here, multiply it by a couple hundred.
[53:10.800 --> 53:13.800]  So we're not alone. There's a huge number of people out there.
[53:13.800 --> 53:16.800]  All right. As long as we're giving thanks, I want to say thank you to Harley
[53:16.800 --> 53:18.800]  for bringing us all together.
[53:18.800 --> 53:29.800]  And for having a bookstore. Thank you, Harley.
[53:29.800 --> 53:31.800]  Because otherwise we're stuck with Amazon, baby.
[53:31.800 --> 53:34.800]  And that's not going to look so good because they track everything you buy.
[53:34.800 --> 53:36.800]  So thank you.
[53:36.800 --> 53:39.800]  And I also want to give a very special word of thanks to Lisa Wilson.
[53:39.800 --> 53:41.800]  Lisa, if you'd come up here.
[53:41.800 --> 53:55.800]  Lisa has put in countless hours, literally countless hours in the last couple of weeks,
[53:55.800 --> 53:59.800]  putting all of this together, buying things, coordinating, making phone calls,
[53:59.800 --> 54:00.800]  staying up all night.
[54:00.800 --> 54:03.800]  She has done an incredible amount of work to get me out here to Austin.
[54:03.800 --> 54:10.800]  I just want to say a special thank you.
[54:10.800 --> 54:12.800]  All right. So with no further ado,
[54:12.800 --> 54:16.800]  I think what we should do is probably pull all the ladies up here into the light
[54:16.800 --> 54:20.800]  and I'll see if I can readjust our microphone down to where we can sort of all speak into it.
[54:20.800 --> 54:23.800]  And then we'll let you guys go ahead and open up for questions.
[54:23.800 --> 54:26.800]  The other thing, because I've done this before on the book signing.
[54:26.800 --> 54:29.800]  All right. So when we're all done with Q&A, I'm going to be signing books.
[54:29.800 --> 54:32.800]  I'll stay here till dawn if I need to to get them all signed.
[54:32.800 --> 54:36.800]  So I'm not going anywhere. Harlan, are you going somewhere at nine or?
[54:36.800 --> 54:39.800]  Okay. Cool. So we're all here till as long as it takes.
[54:39.800 --> 54:44.800]  I'm going to caution you that there probably are not enough books for everybody to get a book
[54:44.800 --> 54:46.800]  and there's probably not enough, like, of stuff.
[54:46.800 --> 54:48.800]  So Harlan ordered a couple cases of books.
[54:48.800 --> 54:52.800]  I brought some stuff from New Hampshire, but we probably don't have enough to go around.
[54:52.800 --> 54:57.800]  So what I'd ask you is restrict yourself to purchasing one book, at least to start.
[54:57.800 --> 54:59.800]  And if you brought your own books, I'm happy to sign them.
[54:59.800 --> 55:03.800]  I don't know. Harlan, you ordered how many books?
[55:03.800 --> 55:06.800]  Sixty-five. So then they actually, yeah, I think if everybody gets one book.
[55:06.800 --> 55:09.800]  I probably brought, like, 20, maybe, hardbacks.
[55:09.800 --> 55:13.800]  And then I also brought a special treat, which is the Spy Chips threat,
[55:13.800 --> 55:16.800]  which is the Christian version of my book, which you cannot obtain.
[55:16.800 --> 55:19.800]  You can't order it off the Amazon. You can't really get it anywhere.
[55:19.800 --> 55:23.800]  I have, like, one shelf of them and I brought, like, half of my shelf full.
[55:23.800 --> 55:26.800]  And that's pretty much all there is. I think it's out of print.
[55:26.800 --> 55:31.800]  And that's through a whole complicated set of contractual reasons that we're not allowed to reprint that.
[55:31.800 --> 55:35.800]  So I will have some very special copies of the Spy Chips threat available, too.
[55:35.800 --> 55:37.800]  But again, I'd ask you to limit yourself to one book.
[55:37.800 --> 55:41.800]  And probably the way to do it, Harlan, and correct me if I'm out of line here,
[55:41.800 --> 55:46.800]  but it might make sense to have people sort of, as we're doing the Q&A, kind of one by one go back
[55:46.800 --> 55:49.800]  and get a book and have it in your possession. Please don't stampede.
[55:49.800 --> 55:52.800]  But kind of buy it as you go.
[55:52.800 --> 55:56.800]  And then just when we get to the book signing part, bring up your already paid-for book,
[55:56.800 --> 55:58.800]  and I'll be happy to sign it. Does that work?
[55:58.800 --> 56:05.800]  Okay.
[56:05.800 --> 56:08.800]  And given that the people here in the front are at a disadvantage for buying books,
[56:08.800 --> 56:13.800]  if you could make sure that, like, that not all of them get sold right now, that'd be great.
[56:13.800 --> 56:14.800]  All right. Good.
[56:14.800 --> 56:17.800]  Okay. So let me see if I can readjust this.
[56:21.800 --> 56:23.800]  You want to do that?
[56:23.800 --> 56:28.800]  Yeah.
[56:28.800 --> 56:30.800]  Too close to the speaker.
[56:30.800 --> 56:31.800]  Okay.
[56:31.800 --> 56:32.800]  All right.
[56:32.800 --> 56:34.800]  We can just pass it around.
[56:34.800 --> 56:36.800]  We're going to pass it around.
[56:36.800 --> 56:37.800]  We're good.
[56:37.800 --> 56:39.800]  Mic check. Mic check.
[56:39.800 --> 56:40.800]  Watch.
[56:40.800 --> 56:41.800]  Okay.
[56:41.800 --> 57:09.800]  Mic check.
[57:09.800 --> 57:28.800]  This is four. Is it on?
[57:28.800 --> 57:34.800]  That one won't be on.
[57:34.800 --> 57:53.800]  Okay.
[57:53.800 --> 57:57.800]  This is going to be interesting.
[57:57.800 --> 57:59.800]  Can you go in this way?
[57:59.800 --> 58:06.800]  All right. You've been listening to Dr. Catherine Albrecht here live at Brave New Books.
[58:06.800 --> 58:13.800]  They're about to have a Q&A session, and this is excellent information, right, Randy?
[58:13.800 --> 58:14.800]  What do you think?
[58:14.800 --> 58:24.800]  Yes. And every time I listen to Catherine Albrecht, I'm always, in a way, I'm sort of depressed.
[58:24.800 --> 58:30.800]  It's just something, it's so profound and frightening is what's coming at us.
[58:30.800 --> 58:33.800]  We think about, you know, you don't spend much time thinking about it,
[58:33.800 --> 58:40.800]  and when somebody points their finger at it, it's really frightening is what appears to be coming at us.
[58:40.800 --> 58:46.800]  The idea of the government having the resources to track our every move.
[58:46.800 --> 58:50.800]  It's not saying that they're going to watch us every minute,
[58:50.800 --> 59:01.800]  but if they decide to look at you, they can see everything, and that's very disturbing.
[59:01.800 --> 59:09.800]  George Orwell, in his book, 1984, I think he didn't have a clue as to what we were really going to be able to do
[59:09.800 --> 59:14.800]  and what the government is likely to be able to do to us.
[59:14.800 --> 59:27.800]  Here, she's about to answer some questions.
[59:27.800 --> 59:31.800]  What I would say to that is that they probably haven't read the research.
[59:31.800 --> 59:37.800]  There is a growing body of research and information indicating that these chips are not cancer.
[59:37.800 --> 59:41.800]  They're probably, in most cases, you're not going to see cancer, you're not going to see dead dogs,
[59:41.800 --> 59:46.800]  in some cases you will, and I have found that the people who are adamantly in favor of microchips
[59:46.800 --> 59:49.800]  have not done their research and they don't have the facts.
[59:49.800 --> 59:54.800]  So I would encourage them to get a copy of the FAQ, which is up on our antichips.com website.
[59:54.800 --> 59:55.800]  It's free.
[59:55.800 --> 59:58.800]  I put in all two maintaining months writing that document,
[59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.800]  and I did it so that people like you would be able to download it or direct people to it
[01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:04.800]  and actually set them straight on this stuff.
[01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:10.800]  We know Lisa Wilson has been doing some research online and some other people as well
[01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:16.800]  that just last March another dog got a microchip cancer, a cancer around his microchip,
[01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:18.800]  on the Internet posted about it.
[01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:20.800]  Someone responded to that post.
[01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:22.800]  This is just someone who happened to see the post and said,
[01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:24.800]  well, gee, the same thing happened to my dog.
[01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:26.800]  A cancer forms around the microchip.
[01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:29.800]  These are just two random posts off of the Internet.
[01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.800]  How many other people are having this experience and not getting it reported?
[01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.800]  So our challenge, I think, and this is going to be an interesting challenge,
[01:00:36.800 --> 01:00:41.800]  is how to get the word out about this and how to start hearing from those people whose dogs have developed
[01:00:41.800 --> 01:00:45.800]  microchip cancers and then do a press release about every single one of them
[01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.800]  and do an event about every single one of them
[01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:50.800]  and turn out a bunch of people in front of every city that has this mandatory microchipping
[01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:52.800]  until the word gets out.
[01:00:56.800 --> 01:01:02.800]  Also, in our town of San Marcos, they're trying to use this as an argument for the high euthanasia rates,
[01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.800]  which is just not simply the truth.
[01:01:04.800 --> 01:01:07.800]  Most of those dogs are dump dogs in these counties.
[01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:11.800]  And so this is really not getting to the root cause of the problem.
[01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.800]  And I think the issue that most of our residents are concerned with
[01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:19.800]  is it's a personal right to make that choice rather than mandating that.
[01:01:19.800 --> 01:01:23.800]  So that would be my answer to the folks who are posting those communicates on the board,
[01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.800]  is that those who feel equally as strong, we should not be forced to do that
[01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:32.800]  if we do have religious considerations or health concerns or privacy issues.
[01:01:32.800 --> 01:01:35.800]  Additionally, I think that people should be more proactive in their communities
[01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:39.800]  to make sure that we do have adoptions of dogs or leaflet campaigns
[01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:41.800]  so people can find their dogs.
[01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:45.800]  And what you'll find in a small town is that we do locate our dogs when they get lost.
[01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.800]  And by the way, this ordinance, if my dog gets picked up the way it's written right now,
[01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:55.800]  my dog would be mandatory microchipped in order for me to get her out of the pound.
[01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:00.800]  And the city council at this point has said that they will hold her if I have a concern on that.
[01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:04.800]  So that to me is not a personal freedom for both the individual
[01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:07.800]  as well as being a caretaker of your pet.
[01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:08.800]  All right.
[01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.800]  Applause
[01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.800]  We have another question.
[01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:16.800]  Hi, this is for Dr. Albert.
[01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:18.800]  I do believe in personal freedom.
[01:02:18.800 --> 01:02:20.800]  Hi, everybody.
[01:02:20.800 --> 01:02:22.800]  I do believe in personal freedom.
[01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:24.800]  I'm active in the dog community.
[01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.800]  I do run a couple of websites and a couple of organizations fighting for our freedom
[01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:32.800]  to keep our dogs intact if we wish, having the breeze that we want.
[01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:37.800]  However, I went through this cancer paper that you posted and that you have written,
[01:02:37.800 --> 01:02:43.800]  and there isn't any substantial evidence that shows that it's part of cancer.
[01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:45.800]  Do you want to copy it?
[01:02:45.800 --> 01:02:47.800]  I have a PDF here.
[01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.800]  Well, it would be helpful to flip to the actual page, though, and show you.
[01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.800]  Lisa, Lisa.
[01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:55.800]  Lisa Wilson.
[01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:59.800]  The one where we had eight studies that showed that there was?
[01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:02.800]  Oh, I'm instantly familiar with my paper.
[01:03:02.800 --> 01:03:04.800]  Believe me, there's something I want to read from it,
[01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.800]  which is not something I wrote or else they would just paraphrase it,
[01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:09.800]  but I actually want to read it directly from...
[01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:14.800]  The collection plate is going around for their travel money.
[01:03:14.800 --> 01:03:23.800]  Travel and flameless lights for tomorrow night's events and lots of stuff that we're doing.
[01:03:23.800 --> 01:03:26.800]  I'm going to hold off on that, but I will get to it.
[01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.800]  I want to have my document in hand, and I want to address that very specifically.
[01:03:29.800 --> 01:03:30.800]  I'm very concerned.
[01:03:30.800 --> 01:03:32.800]  I do not want anybody to question my animal.
[01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:34.800]  I don't want to market it without my permission,
[01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:37.800]  but there just hasn't been any research that shows it's cancer.
[01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:41.800]  In fact, it is a diet that is the number one cause of all cancer in animals,
[01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:43.800]  and that's what I'm mostly worried about.
[01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.800]  Well, I'll address it now, and then I want to follow up,
[01:03:45.800 --> 01:03:48.800]  because I don't like speaking when I'm speaking of someone else's words
[01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:52.800]  and paraphrasing it, but what I'll tell you is that in that document that you have,
[01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:55.800]  in fact, you're welcome to read it yourself.
[01:03:55.800 --> 01:03:58.800]  There are quotes at the beginning of every one of those articles
[01:03:58.800 --> 01:04:03.800]  that address the comments from the researchers who actually did the research.
[01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:07.800]  This is pathologists, veterinary toxicologists, a whole variety of different people,
[01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.800]  and in there they say, and I'm going to paraphrase,
[01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:12.800]  but I'll read the quote when I get my document.
[01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:16.800]  There is an unequivocal association between the microchip implant and the cancer.
[01:04:16.800 --> 01:04:19.800]  The cancers were caused by the microchip.
[01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:22.800]  The microchip causes cancer. The word cause appears in it.
[01:04:22.800 --> 01:04:23.800]  It's not my writing.
[01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:26.800]  This is the writing of the researchers in those eight documents.
[01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:30.800]  I understand, but as a scientist, their right to take liberties.
[01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.800]  I actually analyzed the data.
[01:04:32.800 --> 01:04:35.800]  I had several studies where there was only one subject.
[01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.800]  In two of the studies, one subject was a nine-year-old French bulldog.
[01:04:38.800 --> 01:04:43.800]  If I had a French bulldog that lived a year or nine years old and did not have cancer,
[01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:45.800]  I would be ecstatic.
[01:04:45.800 --> 01:04:48.800]  Cancer is a number killer, and that's a pretty old age for a dog to have cancer.
[01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.800]  It didn't be implanted at age, which is kind of strange to me.
[01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:54.800]  But statistically, they only had one dog in that study.
[01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:55.800]  The second study...
[01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:59.800]  That wasn't a study. That wasn't a study.
[01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:01.800]  It's called a case study, and you know...
[01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.800]  That was right up after the fact, but I'll tell you what.
[01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:08.800]  Hang on, because I'd like to have my document in hand,
[01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:11.800]  and I'll be happy to address that. Thank you.
[01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:15.800]  I'd like to speak to this for a moment because of something you said,
[01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.800]  which is that, you know, the diet, the nutrition is the number one cause of cancer.
[01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:22.800]  And I think what I want to point out is those aren't mutually exclusive.
[01:05:22.800 --> 01:05:23.800]  Thank you.
[01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.800]  I mean, it's not a situation where anyone's saying every cancer is because of microchips
[01:05:27.800 --> 01:05:31.800]  or this is the leading cause of cancer in animals.
[01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.800]  I do alternative medicine. Our animals are treated holistically.
[01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:36.800]  We put a great deal of emphasis on nutrition.
[01:05:36.800 --> 01:05:40.800]  You know, we're part of the holistic management and organic sustainable agriculture movement,
[01:05:40.800 --> 01:05:44.800]  so I completely agree with you that you have to look at nutrition.
[01:05:44.800 --> 01:05:46.800]  You have to look at all these things.
[01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:49.800]  The point, though, is even for those of us who are, for instance,
[01:05:49.800 --> 01:05:51.800]  very concerned about nutrition,
[01:05:51.800 --> 01:05:55.800]  we know there are things that can trigger bad reactions in the body.
[01:05:55.800 --> 01:06:00.800]  There's a fabulous, incredible woman who does organic farming in this community
[01:06:00.800 --> 01:06:02.800]  who came down with cancer.
[01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.800]  Now, she has incredible nutrition.
[01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.800]  There are toxins in the environment.
[01:06:06.800 --> 01:06:08.800]  There are toxins in the air.
[01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.800]  You know, that's what we're dealing with with the microchips.
[01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:15.800]  It's not you microchip an animal, it will get cancer, and that's why it got cancer.
[01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:16.800]  It's a trigger.
[01:06:16.800 --> 01:06:19.800]  Well, it can still be something can't...
[01:06:19.800 --> 01:06:21.800]  It may not be the sole cause.
[01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:23.800]  It isn't how you mean causal.
[01:06:23.800 --> 01:06:25.800]  I agree with you it's not the sole cause.
[01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:29.800]  But, for instance, when you look at the mice microchip studies
[01:06:29.800 --> 01:06:31.800]  where you had much broader numbers
[01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:47.800]  and you started seeing statistically significant results...
[01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:48.800]  You're not on the mic.
[01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.800]  You're not on the mic, so I'm going to sort of paraphrase,
[01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:53.800]  and I hope you'll accept my paraphrasing,
[01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:57.800]  which is they weren't doing a controlled study to look at microchips and cancer in mice
[01:06:57.800 --> 01:06:59.800]  because they weren't planting all of their mice.
[01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:03.800]  So, you're right, it's not the perfect study you'd want to look at.
[01:07:03.800 --> 01:07:07.800]  That doesn't mean there's not a relationship.
[01:07:07.800 --> 01:07:09.800]  I just want to read a couple of quotes from these studies,
[01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:10.800]  and I don't want to spend a lot of time on them
[01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:12.800]  because this isn't really the sole purpose of this,
[01:07:12.800 --> 01:07:16.800]  but I think it's important that we clarify this particular issue.
[01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.800]  I'm reading for the Lake Halvae study in 2006.
[01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:25.800]  This is when 1,260 mice were microchipped and 4.1% developed cancer.
[01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:28.800]  Most of the animals, this is a quote from the document from page 258
[01:07:28.800 --> 01:07:32.800]  of that study, most of the animals with microchip-associated tumors
[01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:35.800]  died prematurely due to the size of the masses,
[01:07:35.800 --> 01:07:38.800]  or the deaths were spontaneous and attributed to the masses.
[01:07:38.800 --> 01:07:41.800]  One of the most serious or potentially serious disadvantages
[01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:44.800]  of the microchip implantation is the possibility that
[01:07:44.800 --> 01:07:46.800]  foreign body-induced tumors may develop.
[01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:48.800]  That's Lake Halvae, 2006.
[01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:59.800]  I'll read you another one.
[01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:01.800]  All right.
[01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:02.800]  Hang on.
[01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:03.800]  I need to...
[01:08:03.800 --> 01:08:05.800]  Can I switch mics so I can hold my paper?
[01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.800]  Testing.
[01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:10.800]  All right.
[01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:13.800]  Well, let me...
[01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:14.800]  No, you do want it.
[01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:15.800]  That's for the radio.
[01:08:15.800 --> 01:08:16.800]  Oh, it is.
[01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.800]  I want to...
[01:08:19.800 --> 01:08:22.800]  Here, hold my microphone.
[01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:23.800]  We'll get those.
[01:08:23.800 --> 01:08:27.800]  I can play service.
[01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:28.800]  Is it on or off?
[01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:29.800]  Bingo.
[01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:34.800]  Thank you.
[01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:38.800]  Electronic microchip technology as a means of animal identification
[01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:40.800]  may affect animal more abundantly and mortality,
[01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:42.800]  in other words, illness and death rates,
[01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.800]  due to the large size and rapid growth of microchip-induced tumors,
[01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:49.800]  as well as the occurrence of metastases.
[01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:54.800]  That's Elcock, 2001, in which 1,040 rats were microchipped,
[01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:58.800]  and 0.8% or close to 1% developed in microchip cancer.
[01:08:58.800 --> 01:08:59.800]  They go on to write,
[01:08:59.800 --> 01:09:01.800]  most tumors arising from foreign bodies are malignant
[01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:05.800]  and have a rapid growth rate killing the animal in a matter of weeks.
[01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:07.800]  Here's another one.
[01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:13.800]  Blanchard et al., 1999, in which 177 genetically modified mice
[01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:17.800]  were implanted with microchips and 10.2% of them developed cancer.
[01:09:17.800 --> 01:09:18.800]  Here they write,
[01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:22.800]  quote, there was an unequivocal or unmistakable association
[01:09:22.800 --> 01:09:25.800]  between the microchip-implant transponder and sarcoma.
[01:09:25.800 --> 01:09:28.800]  Another one, the presence of the foreign body microchip transponder
[01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:33.800]  may elicit tissue reactions capable of generating genotoxic byproducts.
[01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:35.800]  Now, this is a particularly interesting study
[01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:37.800]  because it's one that the industry has tried to use
[01:09:37.800 --> 01:09:40.800]  to discredit the cancer connection.
[01:09:40.800 --> 01:09:41.800]  Let me tell you why.
[01:09:41.800 --> 01:09:44.800]  This study involved a special type of mouse.
[01:09:44.800 --> 01:09:50.800]  It is the genetically modified P53 plus or minus mouse.
[01:09:50.800 --> 01:09:52.800]  Now, that sounds all really technical,
[01:09:52.800 --> 01:09:54.800]  but there's something important about this.
[01:09:54.800 --> 01:09:58.800]  When researchers are trying to test whether something is genotoxic,
[01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:00.800]  in other words, whether it is a genetic toxin
[01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:03.800]  that actually causes things like cancer,
[01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:06.800]  they don't want to have to implant thousands of mice
[01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.800]  in order to see that maybe one out of a thousand
[01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:12.800]  has this response to test whether something's a genotoxin.
[01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:16.800]  So what they've done is they've developed a special type of mouse
[01:10:16.800 --> 01:10:20.800]  that only develops cancer in the presence of genotoxins.
[01:10:20.800 --> 01:10:22.800]  Without genotoxins, they don't get cancer.
[01:10:22.800 --> 01:10:25.800]  And what they found was when they put these microchips into those mice,
[01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.800]  rather than 1% and 2% getting cancer, 10% developed cancer,
[01:10:29.800 --> 01:10:32.800]  which is very clear evidence that these microchips are genotoxic.
[01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:34.800]  That's why they use those mice.
[01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:37.800]  Had they not been genotoxic, they would not have developed the cancer.
[01:10:37.800 --> 01:10:39.800]  So there's a very serious issue there.
[01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:41.800]  And I'll tell you why they believe this is happening.
[01:10:41.800 --> 01:10:44.800]  When you implant a foreign body into living tissue,
[01:10:44.800 --> 01:10:47.800]  it creates an irritation reaction around it.
[01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:49.800]  There are actual cellular changes around it
[01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.800]  as the body tries to adapt to this thing in there.
[01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.800]  There's actually like a little shell that forms around the microchip,
[01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:58.800]  and that is where all of these cancers originated, is in those cells.
[01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:00.800]  They are irregular cells, and in some cases,
[01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:04.800]  they go a little nuts and they turn into a cancerous tumor.
[01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:07.800]  Maybe just one more.
[01:11:07.800 --> 01:11:10.800]  The one with the word cause in here.
[01:11:10.800 --> 01:11:14.800]  All right, this is Tillman et al., 1997,
[01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:19.800]  in which 4,279 mice were implanted with a microchip,
[01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.800]  and of those, 0.8% or close to 1% developed cancer.
[01:11:22.800 --> 01:11:25.800]  Here's the quote from page 200 of that study.
[01:11:25.800 --> 01:11:30.800]  The neoplasms, in other words, the cancers induced in the present investigation
[01:11:30.800 --> 01:11:34.800]  are clearly due to the implanted microchips.
[01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:35.800]  Then they go on.
[01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:40.800]  Further information on tumors induced by microchips, et cetera, et cetera.
[01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:43.800]  Just one more. There's a cause.
[01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:44.800]  Here's another one.
[01:11:44.800 --> 01:11:46.800]  Investigators using implanted devices need to be aware
[01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.800]  of foreign body cancer development tumorogenesis
[01:11:49.800 --> 01:11:52.800]  when evaluating the results of long-term studies using mice.
[01:11:52.800 --> 01:11:56.800]  2,000 mice in this study by Kenneth Johnson or Keith Johnson,
[01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:58.800]  and 1% developed cancer there.
[01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:00.800]  This goes on and on.
[01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:01.800]  This is what these studies said.
[01:12:01.800 --> 01:12:05.800]  They literally come out and say these chips cause cancer.
[01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:07.800]  I hope I cleared that up.
[01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:22.800]  Thank you.
[01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:27.800]  Okay, further questions?
[01:12:27.800 --> 01:12:38.800]  To the best of my knowledge,
[01:12:38.800 --> 01:12:41.800]  there's nobody who's been implanted with a varichip implant
[01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:42.800]  without their knowledge.
[01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.800]  There are a couple thousand people around the country,
[01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:47.800]  or excuse me, around the world who have been implanted with these
[01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:49.800]  with consent, or at least some degree of consent.
[01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:52.800]  You may know that a couple years ago we turned out
[01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:55.800]  to the Alzheimer's Community Care Center in West Palm Beach, Florida
[01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.800]  to protest the implantation of Alzheimer's patients
[01:12:58.800 --> 01:13:01.800]  whose very disease meant that they did not give consent
[01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.800]  because they weren't in a position to give consent.
[01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:06.800]  Because of that, we have a piece of legislation
[01:13:06.800 --> 01:13:08.800]  that we're trying to get introduced here in Texas
[01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:10.800]  called the Bodily Integrity Act.
[01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:12.800]  It's up on our website at antichips.com.
[01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:14.800]  You click on legislation.
[01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:17.800]  And we met this morning, actually, with Lisa Wilson
[01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:20.800]  and I went in and met with Representative Patrick Rose,
[01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.800]  who spoke very highly of you, by the way, Judith.
[01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.800]  And we did get them a copy of the legislation,
[01:13:27.800 --> 01:13:30.800]  and they said that if not in this legislative session
[01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.800]  that they will try to introduce it in the next.
[01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:33.800]  Yeah.
[01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:38.800]  Is there any use of the RIT?
[01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:39.800]  So you want to get on the mic there?
[01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:41.800]  Yeah, there you go.
[01:13:41.800 --> 01:13:44.800]  Is there any use of the RIT Act that you feel
[01:13:44.800 --> 01:13:48.800]  that needs to be pulled into practice?
[01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.800]  Well, I would be the first to acknowledge
[01:13:51.800 --> 01:13:54.800]  that it's more convenient to breeze through the check stand
[01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:56.800]  by just pressing your hand to a reader device.
[01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:58.800]  It would certainly be more convenient
[01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:01.800]  to have all of your taxes paid by the mile.
[01:14:01.800 --> 01:14:04.800]  It would certainly be more convenient to be able to track
[01:14:04.800 --> 01:14:08.800]  and locate everything on the globe, but at what cost?
[01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:10.800]  You know, it's the same thing I used to say
[01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:12.800]  about the frequent sharper card at the grocery store.
[01:14:12.800 --> 01:14:13.800]  You know, they raised the prices
[01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:15.800]  and artificially lowered them back down
[01:14:15.800 --> 01:14:17.800]  if you let them record all your purchases.
[01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.800]  Sure, I'd like to save 15 cents on a package of rice,
[01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:21.800]  but at what cost?
[01:14:21.800 --> 01:14:25.800]  So when you look at the potential upsides of this technology,
[01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:27.800]  more convenient, faster, easier,
[01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:29.800]  you know, the list goes on and on, maybe safer.
[01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:31.800]  When you look at that potential list of upsides
[01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:34.800]  and then you contrast it with a potential list of downsides,
[01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:37.800]  I think that the equation becomes really clear
[01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.800]  that the downsides really enormously outweigh
[01:14:39.800 --> 01:14:41.800]  any possible benefits.
[01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:42.800]  And as I've said in the past,
[01:14:42.800 --> 01:14:45.800]  I don't want to save 15 cents on a packet of rice
[01:14:45.800 --> 01:14:47.800]  and lose my freedom.
[01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:50.800]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:52.800]  Thank you.
[01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:00.800]  I'm Tim with Austin Energy.
[01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:02.800]  Thanks once again for helping me set down the time scan
[01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.800]  over at Austin Energy.
[01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.800]  Yes, ma'am.
[01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.800]  And with Catherine Tess, we've got a angry employee.
[01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:16.800]  I'm sorry, can we get him on the mic?
[01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.800]  The problem is at the wireless device.
[01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:21.800]  He's too close to which?
[01:15:21.800 --> 01:15:24.800]  No, I think it's malfunctioning at the wireless device.
[01:15:24.800 --> 01:15:26.800]  Oh, yeah, I'm pretty loud now.
[01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.800]  All right, let's go right ahead.
[01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:45.800]  You guys are right in their sights.
[01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:49.800]  Yeah, Austin is one of like a dozen test cities around the globe.
[01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:53.800]  I mean, you guys are like fully in their sights for this.
[01:15:53.800 --> 01:15:55.800]  Yeah, how many of you guys are living in a house
[01:15:55.800 --> 01:15:58.800]  where they control your thermostat remotely by radio?
[01:15:58.800 --> 01:15:59.800]  Yeah, a couple of hands are going up.
[01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:01.800]  I'm telling you, they're doing it, yeah.
[01:16:01.800 --> 01:16:03.800]  And it's not just going to be your thermostat.
[01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:05.800]  It's going to be your dryer, your toaster, your refrigerator.
[01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:07.800]  And then once they have two-way communication,
[01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:09.800]  everyone's looking at me like, what are you talking about?
[01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:10.800]  This is a smart grid.
[01:16:10.800 --> 01:16:13.800]  The idea is to instead of having electricity flowing one way
[01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.800]  through your home, that data and information from your appliances
[01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:20.800]  is going to flow two ways back out through the electrical grid to them.
[01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:21.800]  Yeah, that's the plan.
[01:16:21.800 --> 01:16:24.800]  $30 billion just got allocated to that.
[01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:27.800]  Without the stimulus package, they could have never done that.
[01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:29.800]  Never in a million years could they have gotten away with that
[01:16:29.800 --> 01:16:31.800]  without a debate, without a discussion, without something,
[01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:34.800]  and yet they slip it into an enormous stimulus package,
[01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.800]  and everybody goes, okay.
[01:16:36.800 --> 01:16:39.800]  So, you know, you need to take a closer look at what they put in that stimulus package
[01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:41.800]  because this is stuff that they never could have done otherwise.
[01:16:41.800 --> 01:16:43.800]  They just thought their wish lists come true.
[01:16:43.800 --> 01:16:47.800]  So the idea on this smart grid, you know, who's salivating over it,
[01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.800]  is all of the companies that we write about in spy chips
[01:16:50.800 --> 01:16:52.800]  who want to put the RFID reader in your refrigerator
[01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:54.800]  so they know when you take the milk out,
[01:16:54.800 --> 01:16:56.800]  so they can make you a grocery list.
[01:16:56.800 --> 01:16:57.800]  Won't that be convenient?
[01:16:57.800 --> 01:16:58.800]  You were asking about the benefits.
[01:16:58.800 --> 01:17:01.800]  Won't it be convenient when they'll just automatically make you a grocery list
[01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.800]  based on what you take out and don't put back?
[01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:04.800]  Oh, you're out of water.
[01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:08.800]  Oh, there it is right there on your electronic list on the front of your smart fridge.
[01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:11.800]  So that's the kind of benefits they're going to be touting to us,
[01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:13.800]  and that's the carrot, not a very good carrot.
[01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:14.800]  Let me tell you what the stick is.
[01:17:14.800 --> 01:17:19.800]  The stick is they're going to double and even triple our electrical rates.
[01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:21.800]  Yeah, well, that was the stick at the supermarket.
[01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:22.800]  They raised the prices, man.
[01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:25.800]  We saw Kraft, what is it?
[01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:29.800]  The Velveeta cheese spread in Waco, right?
[01:17:29.800 --> 01:17:32.800]  This was actually written up in the Waco newspaper.
[01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:34.800]  Kraft cream cheese, or Velveeta,
[01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.800]  when they first came out with this frequent shopper card,
[01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:39.800]  $4.99, right, no, $3.99, right on the box.
[01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:42.800]  You know, manufacturers suggested retail price from Kraft, $3.99.
[01:17:42.800 --> 01:17:44.800]  They raised the price to $5.99.
[01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:48.800]  So they took a $4 thing of cheese, made it six bucks on the shelf,
[01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.800]  and then they gave you that awesome discount
[01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:53.800]  if you scanned your frequent shopper card of $2 off.
[01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:55.800]  That's how they do it.
[01:17:55.800 --> 01:18:02.800]  It's carrot and stick, but the carrot doesn't exist.
[01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:03.800]  Hello?
[01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:06.800]  Hey, Catherine, it's good to meet you.
[01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:07.800]  I work with you every day.
[01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:09.800]  I actually work in the pet industry.
[01:18:09.800 --> 01:18:11.800]  I work at a pet store.
[01:18:11.800 --> 01:18:13.800]  And if I'm not mistaken,
[01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:16.800]  what is the original idea about microchickening your animals
[01:18:16.800 --> 01:18:20.800]  so that if they became lost, you could find them?
[01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.800]  Do you have any stats about how many animals were found?
[01:18:23.800 --> 01:18:25.800]  Actually, a fair number.
[01:18:25.800 --> 01:18:28.800]  There have actually been a fair number returned to their owners.
[01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.800]  The concern that I have, though,
[01:18:30.800 --> 01:18:33.800]  is the same concern that I have in tagging babies in hospitals
[01:18:33.800 --> 01:18:35.800]  and all of the other things that they're doing
[01:18:35.800 --> 01:18:39.800]  in the name of sort of saving babies and saving animals.
[01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:41.800]  Once you become reliant on the technology,
[01:18:41.800 --> 01:18:43.800]  then you stop doing common sense things
[01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:46.800]  like just putting a tag on your animal with a phone number on it.
[01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.800]  Most animals, when they wander away from home,
[01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:50.800]  they get found by a neighbor.
[01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.800]  We found two dogs running in our backyard not long ago.
[01:18:53.800 --> 01:18:54.800]  And what did we do?
[01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:55.800]  We brought the dogs in.
[01:18:55.800 --> 01:18:57.800]  They were really friendly and sweet.
[01:18:57.800 --> 01:18:58.800]  We looked at the tag.
[01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:00.800]  It had a phone number.
[01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:02.800]  We picked up the phone, and we said, we have your dog.
[01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.800]  And within a couple of hours, they were there getting the dog.
[01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:06.800]  Right?
[01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:08.800]  Now, what happened to my good friend back there?
[01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:10.800]  Hello, Tequila.
[01:19:10.800 --> 01:19:13.800]  Kayla's experience, she had a dog.
[01:19:13.800 --> 01:19:15.800]  They picked up the dog.
[01:19:15.800 --> 01:19:17.800]  They said, well, they tried calling her.
[01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:18.800]  She wasn't home.
[01:19:18.800 --> 01:19:20.800]  But then they said, well, we'll just call the Animal Society
[01:19:20.800 --> 01:19:24.800]  and have them deal with the dog.
[01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:25.800]  And then they scanned.
[01:19:25.800 --> 01:19:26.800]  I guess she didn't have a microchip.
[01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:28.800]  But that's what they're doing nowadays.
[01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:30.800]  People aren't even putting the phone numbers on their animals
[01:19:30.800 --> 01:19:31.800]  anymore.
[01:19:31.800 --> 01:19:32.800]  And when your neighbor finds your dog,
[01:19:32.800 --> 01:19:36.800]  they're forced to call the local Humane Society,
[01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:41.800]  where there's a chance that animal's going to get euthanized.
[01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:42.800]  Think about that.
[01:19:42.800 --> 01:19:43.800]  I just was curious.
[01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:47.800]  Because I work in the area of town where a lot of people think
[01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:49.800]  that if they do that, their animal will be safe
[01:19:49.800 --> 01:19:51.800]  and they'll find them.
[01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:53.800]  Well, there's two pieces to that.
[01:19:53.800 --> 01:19:56.800]  Here's, I think, what really reveals the fact that these guys
[01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:58.800]  are disingenuous about saving animals.
[01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:02.800]  If you don't pay to register that number in the database,
[01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.800]  then they will not store it.
[01:20:04.800 --> 01:20:06.800]  So you can have a microchip in your dog.
[01:20:06.800 --> 01:20:08.800]  And they can know who the microchip belongs to
[01:20:08.800 --> 01:20:10.800]  and know your name and address.
[01:20:10.800 --> 01:20:12.800]  But if you haven't paid the fee, they won't tell the vet.
[01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:13.800]  They won't tell the Humane Society.
[01:20:13.800 --> 01:20:15.800]  And they'll kill your dog.
[01:20:15.800 --> 01:20:29.800]  He has a passive RFID in his skin.
[01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:32.800]  And I haven't explored the option of removing it yet.
[01:20:32.800 --> 01:20:34.800]  It's not a transponder locator.
[01:20:34.800 --> 01:20:35.800]  It's just a number.
[01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:38.800]  And I haven't paid to have him registered in the pet database.
[01:20:38.800 --> 01:20:41.800]  But in my neighborhood, if anyone wants his skin,
[01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:44.800]  they find out from a local veterinarian that he's mine.
[01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.800]  Or by calling the city because it's on record with the city.
[01:20:47.800 --> 01:20:50.800]  Well, you would be amazed at the number of animals who are
[01:20:50.800 --> 01:20:52.800]  euthanized every year who have a microchip in them.
[01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:55.800]  Because the companies that are storing these records are not
[01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:57.800]  doing it out of the goodness of their hearts to save your dog.
[01:20:57.800 --> 01:20:58.800]  They're doing it to make money.
[01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:01.800]  And if you don't pay the money, they'll kill your dog.
[01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:02.800]  Yeah.
[01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:03.800]  OK.
[01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:05.800]  I think there are people lining up back for the mics
[01:21:05.800 --> 01:21:07.800]  if you have a question.
[01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:13.800]  What can you say about microfilaments in vaccine needles?
[01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:15.800]  Not much.
[01:21:15.800 --> 01:21:18.800]  You mean, I'm sorry.
[01:21:18.800 --> 01:21:21.800]  I had not read your book, but I had read some other research
[01:21:21.800 --> 01:21:23.800]  some many years back.
[01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:24.800]  I'm thrilled.
[01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:25.800]  I'm going to get your book.
[01:21:25.800 --> 01:21:28.800]  But I had read across some studies where they had inserted
[01:21:28.800 --> 01:21:32.800]  some microfilaments in some infants, newborns in California
[01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:34.800]  in a study.
[01:21:34.800 --> 01:21:37.800]  Was this for identification or tracking purposes?
[01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:38.800]  Yes.
[01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:41.800]  I'm not familiar with that research, so I'd love to know about it.
[01:21:41.800 --> 01:21:43.800]  I mean, it's on the record.
[01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:46.800]  And I just didn't know if you knew much more about how
[01:21:46.800 --> 01:21:47.800]  rights play a role.
[01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:51.800]  This was like nine years, eight years ago.
[01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:52.800]  This is the first I've heard.
[01:21:52.800 --> 01:21:55.800]  The closest I can come to thinking about that, there's a company
[01:21:55.800 --> 01:22:00.800]  called Rafflatech that makes RFID tags that are chipless.
[01:22:00.800 --> 01:22:02.800]  They're like, we talk about them in our book.
[01:22:02.800 --> 01:22:06.800]  They're the size of a baby's eyelash, and it's just a little fiber.
[01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:10.800]  And it can't be scanned from a very long distance because it's small.
[01:22:10.800 --> 01:22:13.800]  But when you scan it, it does give off a unique signature
[01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:14.800]  because each one's different.
[01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:16.800]  And then they translate that into a number.
[01:22:16.800 --> 01:22:19.800]  So the only reason that's particularly relevant in this fight,
[01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:23.800]  and I certainly would like to see that research, is I caution people,
[01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:26.800]  if you're working on legislation, do not include the word microchip
[01:22:26.800 --> 01:22:29.800]  or restrict yourself to microchip in the legislation,
[01:22:29.800 --> 01:22:32.800]  because there's other technologies that do the same thing without a chip,
[01:22:32.800 --> 01:22:36.800]  like the SOMARC tattoo, which is a remotely readable RF tattoo,
[01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.800]  or these Rafflatech chipless ID tags.
[01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:42.800]  But please send me that research, I'd like to know about that.
[01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:45.800]  A little bit more about SOMARC.
[01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:46.800]  SOMARC, yeah.
[01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:48.800]  I'm not sure where they're going with it.
[01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:51.800]  This was some college students who actually won an award
[01:22:51.800 --> 01:22:59.800]  for coming up with a way to take tattoo ink, or it's kind of like a tattoo process,
[01:22:59.800 --> 01:23:04.800]  and actually embed electromagnetic, magnetically responsive metallic ink
[01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:06.800]  into a physical body.
[01:23:06.800 --> 01:23:08.800]  So they can put it into a cow, they can put it into a horse,
[01:23:08.800 --> 01:23:12.800]  they can put it into a person, and instead of just being visibly readable,
[01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:14.800]  it actually responds like a passive RFID.
[01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:17.800]  You hit it with a signal, and it sends back a signal.
[01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:22.800]  And it's chipless, so it wouldn't be covered by all of this RFID legislation
[01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.800]  that has been passed in these various states.
[01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:27.800]  I've never seen it.
[01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.800]  They're really secretive about it.
[01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:31.800]  Yeah, I haven't seen it.
[01:23:31.800 --> 01:23:35.800]  It depends on how deep you put it in the body.
[01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:36.800]  Yes, it does.
[01:23:36.800 --> 01:23:40.800]  They will read through here, and at that point, it would be hard to see.
[01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:41.800]  Go ahead.
[01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.800]  I just wanted to say, some of it's visible.
[01:23:43.800 --> 01:23:47.800]  It depends, because I've seen demonstrations about the tattoo,
[01:23:47.800 --> 01:23:51.800]  RFID tattooing is what they're calling it, at the industry conferences
[01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:53.800]  where they're promoting NAIF.
[01:23:53.800 --> 01:23:57.800]  And this is very much trying to be sold as the cheap and easy solution
[01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:03.800]  for RFID tagging all of our animals without physically implanting the microchips.
[01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.800]  But the tests they've done that they've been sharing at the conferences
[01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.800]  do show a visible tattoo.
[01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.800]  So it would be, you know, a registration number for the animal
[01:24:12.800 --> 01:24:14.800]  that would look like a normal tattoo,
[01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:16.800]  because a lot of people do tattoo their animals,
[01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:22.800]  but it could be picked up by the readers.
[01:24:22.800 --> 01:24:23.800]  Okay, hi.
[01:24:23.800 --> 01:24:26.800]  And this is the first few with me as well.
[01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:32.800]  I went to the Campo meeting tonight and gave the Campo staff
[01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:37.800]  those artolas, showed them a copy of this that I came and purchased here earlier,
[01:24:37.800 --> 01:24:42.800]  and let her know that you were here and the work that Sheila's been doing.
[01:24:42.800 --> 01:24:48.800]  I was wondering, has the virus stopped that Sheila being had down?
[01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:52.800]  And I spoke at the Thomas County Commissioner's Court
[01:24:52.800 --> 01:24:55.800]  and announced that they were having that party.
[01:24:55.800 --> 01:24:59.800]  What is the most effective way, other than people,
[01:24:59.800 --> 01:25:03.800]  pictures of myself that don't ever join a group that always pick up things
[01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.800]  like Sheila and I see those deskies here and yourself,
[01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:08.800]  what's the most effective way, you think,
[01:25:08.800 --> 01:25:13.800]  other than the way that I'm going about it, as far as spreading the word?
[01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.800]  Because there's a big digital divide in this community.
[01:25:17.800 --> 01:25:20.800]  There's a lot of people going on the Internet.
[01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:25.800]  What's the best approach that y'all take for most of the day?
[01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:27.800]  Well, word of mouth always works.
[01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:30.800]  This is great.
[01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.800]  Word of mouth, telling your neighbor,
[01:25:33.800 --> 01:25:35.800]  picking up the phone and calling your relatives,
[01:25:35.800 --> 01:25:39.800]  the people that you care about that are closest to your heart,
[01:25:39.800 --> 01:25:44.800]  and telling them whatever concerns you, it should concern them.
[01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.800]  These are very practical things.
[01:25:46.800 --> 01:25:52.800]  If you attend a synagogue, a church, or other religious institutions,
[01:25:52.800 --> 01:25:56.800]  you can tell them about it.
[01:25:56.800 --> 01:26:00.800]  There's a lot of people in line at the store.
[01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:02.800]  I just wanted to remind our listeners,
[01:26:02.800 --> 01:26:06.800]  you are listening to Rule of Law on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:26:06.800 --> 01:26:08.800]  This is Deborah Stevens. I'm here with Randy Kelton.
[01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:12.800]  We are broadcasting live from Brave New Books tonight.
[01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:15.800]  Right now, Dr. Catherine Albrecht is in town giving a talk.
[01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:18.800]  This is Sheila Dean speaking right now.
[01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.800]  So we will continue on.
[01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.800]  Live from Brave New Books, Dr. Catherine Albrecht.
[01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.800]  There's all kinds of ways.
[01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.800]  You can call Catherine Albrecht and say,
[01:26:30.800 --> 01:26:33.800]  Catherine, I'm really concerned about what's happening in my community.
[01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:35.800]  Is it going to happen to me?
[01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:40.800]  Or call up – there are so many ways.
[01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:44.800]  You can contact your News 8, your neighborhood television station,
[01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.800]  and tell them, this is bothering me.
[01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:49.800]  How can we stop this?
[01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.800]  There are so many ways to involve yourself.
[01:26:52.800 --> 01:26:55.800]  And then there's the traditional way.
[01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:57.800]  Pick up the phone and call your legislator,
[01:26:57.800 --> 01:26:59.800]  and make them concerned about it,
[01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:01.800]  because they're the decision-making parties,
[01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:15.800]  and you do have more control and say so than you would ever think.
[01:27:15.800 --> 01:27:20.800]  If anyone's interested, we're planning a protest at Identics Biometrics,
[01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:27.800]  and something of note about Identics is that it is an L-1 Technologies subsidiary.
[01:27:27.800 --> 01:27:32.800]  L-1 Technologies has the federal contract for all of the biometrics
[01:27:32.800 --> 01:27:40.800]  and the passports and the licenses and anything that is a U.S. identifier.
[01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:47.800]  Probably told this, but I know for a fact that Identics has the contract
[01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:50.800]  for the entire state of Texas' biometrics,
[01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.800]  and they are sitting right here in Round Rock.
[01:27:53.800 --> 01:27:54.800]  So it's that close to you.
[01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.800]  It's Dell – well, I don't know if it's Dell exactly,
[01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.800]  but this is the Silicon Valley of Texas,
[01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.800]  and it is more important for you Austinites to act on this,
[01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.800]  because you're sitting in these legislators' districts.
[01:28:07.800 --> 01:28:10.800]  So the burden on you to make change where technology is involved
[01:28:10.800 --> 01:28:14.800]  is heavier on you than any other person in the state.
[01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:17.800]  You're going to be making the decisions for the rest of the state –
[01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:24.800]  Mark Strauma, Diana Maldonado, Dan Gaddis, Chan Parker, you know, Ann-Chen Button.
[01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:28.800]  These are people in Dallas and in Austin and some of them in Houston,
[01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:30.800]  but they're all in that technology committee,
[01:28:30.800 --> 01:28:36.800]  and they need to hear from you if this is not something that you want in your life.
[01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:37.800]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:40.800]  Judith actually had a – I was going to talk about social media,
[01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:43.800]  because that's my area of expertise, but Judith actually said,
[01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:48.800]  hey, letters to the editor – letters to the editor are exceptionally effective in our small town,
[01:28:48.800 --> 01:28:50.800]  and your policymakers do read that.
[01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.800]  One thing that we did, how we got our whole protest offline,
[01:28:53.800 --> 01:28:55.800]  was through Facebook, through social media.
[01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:59.800]  And now that we've got lots of people talking about this online through Facebook,
[01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:02.800]  we also have people on MySpace posting bulletins,
[01:29:02.800 --> 01:29:04.800]  and people are definitely plugged in.
[01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:06.800]  If you look at the literature, people are doing – you know,
[01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.800]  students are reading Facebook more than they are their textbooks.
[01:29:09.800 --> 01:29:12.800]  So if you want to get the word out, that would probably be the most expedient way,
[01:29:12.800 --> 01:29:14.800]  because you have instant communication.
[01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:16.800]  That was exceptionally effective.
[01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:18.800]  But I agree, the letters to the editor, that's, you know,
[01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:22.800]  something your policymakers will be reading more so than Facebook.
[01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:24.800]  Thank you.
[01:29:24.800 --> 01:29:28.800]  We'll have more questions, and then we'll cut it off after that.
[01:29:28.800 --> 01:29:32.800]  Hi, Catherine. My name is Babs Warren.
[01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:37.800]  Those yellow flowers up there on my table, I picked them for you today.
[01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:40.800]  My mother started growing them 40 years ago, okay?
[01:29:40.800 --> 01:29:44.800]  Wow, thank you. That's beautiful.
[01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.800]  Thank you.
[01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:49.800]  My mother died in 1997.
[01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:57.800]  What I wanted to say was, every day of my life, I tell somebody some story.
[01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:03.800]  It's what I heard in the 60s, and I'm 76 years old.
[01:30:03.800 --> 01:30:05.800]  I was in my 20s when I learned about it.
[01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:10.800]  And my mother didn't think that I should tell anybody, because they think I'm a crook.
[01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:13.800]  And I still have people telling me that now,
[01:30:13.800 --> 01:30:17.800]  but I've been trying to help with everything, everything.
[01:30:17.800 --> 01:30:24.800]  I heard, and I saw the Rockefellers talk about the Illuminati.
[01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:30.800]  I've written a book, and the top 1% of the people in the world
[01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.800]  who are associated with the kings and queens, bloodlines,
[01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:35.800]  we're going to control them.
[01:30:35.800 --> 01:30:38.800]  There were only 300 people in this organization.
[01:30:38.800 --> 01:30:42.800]  He introduced Dick Cheney.
[01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:48.800]  Dick Cheney said, if you don't remember anything else I said tonight, remember this.
[01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:54.800]  He said, by the time the One World Order is in place for a takeover,
[01:30:54.800 --> 01:31:00.800]  by the United Nations and by the soldiers that are going to be in our country, some other country,
[01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:04.800]  there's only going to be a third or fourth of the entire world alive.
[01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:09.800]  Now, what I want to say is, I think all this chipping and everything
[01:31:09.800 --> 01:31:13.800]  has to go along with their wanting to depopulate the world,
[01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:16.800]  which is what Dick Cheney said that day.
[01:31:16.800 --> 01:31:20.800]  Okay, what do you think about that?
[01:31:20.800 --> 01:31:23.800]  Well, I can only speak to what Aaron Russo said, which is,
[01:31:23.800 --> 01:31:26.800]  and he told me this story as well that you've probably seen on the Internet,
[01:31:26.800 --> 01:31:31.800]  and this is that Aaron Russo was told by David Rockefeller, is that right?
[01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:34.800]  Yeah, that there really is a plan to chip everybody,
[01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:37.800]  that there really is a plan to own us and control us.
[01:31:37.800 --> 01:31:42.800]  As far as depopulation goes, I mean, certainly if you look at the sustainable development,
[01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.800]  which has gone into every county in this country on the county level,
[01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:49.800]  the sustainable development plans are actually about reducing population,
[01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:51.800]  reducing where we're going to be allowed to live,
[01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:53.800]  how much resources we're going to be allowed to consume,
[01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:55.800]  and how are they going to control that?
[01:31:55.800 --> 01:31:58.800]  Well, they're going to know because you're scanning your frequent shopper card,
[01:31:58.800 --> 01:32:01.800]  because you're presenting your RFID tag driver's license
[01:32:01.800 --> 01:32:03.800]  every time you want to drive somewhere in your car.
[01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:05.800]  You know, first it's watching, then it's controlling,
[01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:07.800]  so they want to know where you go in your car today.
[01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:12.800]  Tomorrow they're going to say you're only allowed 50 miles this month using WISD.
[01:32:12.800 --> 01:32:16.800]  Texas Independence Day, today's Texas Independence Day.
[01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:22.800]  Applause
[01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:28.800]  So we in San Marcos want to talk to the woman who was having the issues here in Austin
[01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:31.800]  with the microchip because we're Texans and we stick together when it comes to freedom.
[01:32:31.800 --> 01:32:36.800]  So let's make sure we mobilize Central Texas to stop it first regarding our critters,
[01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.800]  and then we're going to keep them out of the human beings.
[01:32:39.800 --> 01:32:52.800]  Applause
[01:32:52.800 --> 01:33:20.800]  Thank you.
[01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:35.800]  The question, because I think we're having microphone issues,
[01:33:35.800 --> 01:33:37.800]  the question is where does this go?
[01:33:37.800 --> 01:33:40.800]  Does nanotechnology play a role in the future of this?
[01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:47.800]  Will the technology expand exponentially to the point where it encompasses every aspect of our lives?
[01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:50.800]  I would say yes.
[01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:52.800]  One of the writers who's had a big impact on me,
[01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:57.800]  and he's working for the other team fully, is Ray Kurzweil, who wrote the book The Singularity.
[01:33:57.800 --> 01:33:59.800]  And it's a big, thick book.
[01:33:59.800 --> 01:34:00.800]  It's like 500 pages long.
[01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:04.800]  The only part that I found of any value in that book whatsoever was the first couple of pages
[01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.800]  where he describes the growth curve for technology.
[01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:10.800]  And it's pretty interesting.
[01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:12.800]  If you're familiar with an exponential curve,
[01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:15.800]  what happens is you start off kind of slowly getting a little bit bigger,
[01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.800]  and lots of time goes by, and you sort of make little strides.
[01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:20.800]  And then you get to the point where it starts curving,
[01:34:20.800 --> 01:34:22.800]  and now over a short amount of time it's going up and up and up.
[01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:27.800]  And then you get to the point where literally in a day you're having more progress,
[01:34:27.800 --> 01:34:29.800]  if you want to call it that, or more of an advance,
[01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:32.800]  than you had over a period of a thousand years prior to that.
[01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:36.800]  Technology, the growth of technology, is an exponential curve.
[01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:41.800]  And I believe, just as does Ray Kurzweil, who, by the way, wants us all to become one with the machine.
[01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:42.800]  That's his goal.
[01:34:42.800 --> 01:34:44.800]  So he's not on our team at all.
[01:34:44.800 --> 01:34:48.800]  But I do believe, I agree with him, that we are at this point at the point of the curve.
[01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:51.800]  What is happening now in a period of one month within technology
[01:34:51.800 --> 01:34:56.800]  would have taken 50 years to happen, even just the last span of time we looked at.
[01:34:56.800 --> 01:35:00.800]  The reason this is important is that you need to understand.
[01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:04.800]  See, we have this human tendency to expect the future to be like the past.
[01:35:04.800 --> 01:35:07.800]  And when you look at how long it took to get from the Wright brothers
[01:35:07.800 --> 01:35:11.800]  to the point where we have jumbo jets, to the point where we're traveling in outer space,
[01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:14.800]  and you say, well, gee, that took about 100 years, maybe about 60, 70 years.
[01:35:14.800 --> 01:35:18.800]  So in 60 or 70 years, then we'll make sort of the same amount of progress.
[01:35:18.800 --> 01:35:21.800]  What you're not understanding is that we're now in this curve.
[01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:26.800]  So in six or seven months, we're going to make that kind of progression.
[01:35:26.800 --> 01:35:29.800]  In six or seven days, eventually, we're going to make that kind of progression.
[01:35:29.800 --> 01:35:32.800]  In six or seven hours after that, we're going to make that progression.
[01:35:32.800 --> 01:35:36.800]  In six or seven seconds, we're going to be making that kind of technological leap.
[01:35:36.800 --> 01:35:39.800]  And when we get to that point, which he calls the singularity,
[01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:43.800]  where our technology is growing so quickly that we cannot even comprehend it,
[01:35:43.800 --> 01:35:46.800]  then that's the point when many of these futurists believe
[01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:51.800]  that we will actually be downloading our consciousness into some giant technological grid
[01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.800]  that we won't even have bodies anymore,
[01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:56.800]  that we'll be able to get around this whole issue of populating the planet
[01:35:56.800 --> 01:35:59.800]  by just saying, ah, those sacks of meat, we don't need those.
[01:35:59.800 --> 01:36:01.800]  They consume resources.
[01:36:01.800 --> 01:36:04.800]  So let's save the resources for the butterflies in the trees,
[01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:07.800]  and we'll just upload ourselves into some giant machine.
[01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:09.800]  And when you look at how they describe the giant machine,
[01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:13.800]  it sounds an awful lot like, oh, how about this one?
[01:36:13.800 --> 01:36:17.800]  Peter Cochran, C-O-C-H-R-A-N-E, reads some of his writing.
[01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:19.800]  He's a big futurist over in Europe.
[01:36:19.800 --> 01:36:22.800]  He's won all sorts of awards, and they take him pretty seriously there.
[01:36:22.800 --> 01:36:26.800]  He looks forward to the day when we all upload ourselves into a single entity,
[01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:34.800]  which will then travel out into the universe looking for host bodies to inhabit.
[01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:38.800]  That's right.
[01:36:38.800 --> 01:37:00.800]  I'm sorry, Morgellons?
[01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:04.800]  Yeah, this is variously Morgellons disease,
[01:37:04.800 --> 01:37:07.800]  which has been surfacing actually quite a bit here in Texas.
[01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.800]  I think Texas is like a center for the epidemic of this thing,
[01:37:10.800 --> 01:37:13.800]  or the outbreak of this at least.
[01:37:13.800 --> 01:37:17.800]  There is a lot of scientific research being done on Morgellons,
[01:37:17.800 --> 01:37:20.800]  which indicates that it is a real syndrome.
[01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:22.800]  It's not imaginary.
[01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:24.800]  There are real things happening to those folks.
[01:37:24.800 --> 01:37:28.800]  We don't yet know why, and it's just the kind of thing that would happen
[01:37:28.800 --> 01:37:31.800]  for some nanotechnology to get out of a laboratory,
[01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:35.800]  replicating carbon nanotubes and sort of morph that with some DNA,
[01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:37.800]  and who knows what happens.
[01:37:37.800 --> 01:37:40.800]  Yeah, so I definitely agree with you.
[01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:42.800]  It's extremely creepy, and there's a lot going on in those laboratories
[01:37:42.800 --> 01:38:01.800]  that we don't know about.
[01:38:01.800 --> 01:38:03.800]  You know, I don't know.
[01:38:03.800 --> 01:38:07.800]  The question was whether the designers of the Stomark wanted to call it 666
[01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:09.800]  and then decided maybe that wouldn't be too cool.
[01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:12.800]  I'll tell you that when the Mark of the Beast comes,
[01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:16.800]  and I fully and firmly as a committed Bible-believing born-again Christian
[01:38:16.800 --> 01:38:19.800]  will guarantee you it is going to come, right,
[01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:21.800]  I will tell you this, it's not going to be hidden.
[01:38:21.800 --> 01:38:24.800]  It's not going to be some secret thing that you're not going to know you're taking,
[01:38:24.800 --> 01:38:25.800]  because these guys are overt.
[01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:26.800]  Don't come out and call it the Beast.
[01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:30.800]  Hey, you want to take the Mark of the Beast TM with a 666 right on it
[01:38:30.800 --> 01:38:32.800]  with a little copyright symbol on it?
[01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:33.800]  That's how these guys operate.
[01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:37.800]  In fact, the Hugs and Kisses program, you guys know what that was?
[01:38:37.800 --> 01:38:42.800]  That was the RFID-tagged, the non-implantable product by the Verichick Corporation.
[01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:45.800]  It's the ankle bracelet they were putting on the babies in the hospitals.
[01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:50.800]  Half of babies in Ohio now born today get this thing slapped onto their ankles
[01:38:50.800 --> 01:38:52.800]  before they even have their cord cut.
[01:38:52.800 --> 01:38:54.800]  It's like their first introduction.
[01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:55.800]  Welcome to the world, little baby.
[01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:56.800]  It's an RFID-tagged world.
[01:38:56.800 --> 01:38:58.800]  Boom, and you're part of it.
[01:38:58.800 --> 01:38:59.800]  They renamed it.
[01:38:59.800 --> 01:39:01.800]  Guess what they renamed it.
[01:39:01.800 --> 01:39:03.800]  Hugs and Kisses wasn't good enough.
[01:39:03.800 --> 01:39:05.800]  They renamed it the X Mark.
[01:39:05.800 --> 01:39:07.800]  And they know.
[01:39:07.800 --> 01:39:11.800]  They've been fielding concerns over the Mark of the Beast for 10 years now.
[01:39:11.800 --> 01:39:13.800]  They do it on purpose.
[01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:14.800]  All right.
[01:39:14.800 --> 01:39:15.800]  Three more questions.
[01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:41.800]  They're having trouble with their wireless mic in the other room.
[01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:45.800]  So when they're done with the question, Dr. Albrecht will repeat the question
[01:39:45.800 --> 01:39:48.800]  so that we can hear exactly what the question is.
[01:39:48.800 --> 01:39:51.800]  Just want to remind everyone you're listening to The Rule of Law
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[01:39:57.800 --> 01:39:59.800]  Demi, let's watch.org.
[01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:00.800]  Okay.
[01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:00.800]  Right here on our watch.
[01:40:00.800 --> 01:40:06.800]  I can't wait to check that out.
[01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:09.800]  There's two things fully on their agenda right now.
[01:40:09.800 --> 01:40:11.800]  Two things I want you guys to watch for.
[01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:12.800]  One of them is food control.
[01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:14.800]  That's why you're hearing so much about food safety.
[01:40:14.800 --> 01:40:16.800]  That's why somebody gets a sniffle from eating something
[01:40:16.800 --> 01:40:18.800]  or somebody throws up after eating something,
[01:40:18.800 --> 01:40:20.800]  and it's all of a sudden headline news on CNN.
[01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:21.800]  All right.
[01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:24.800]  That's because they want funding, they want money, and they want power.
[01:40:24.800 --> 01:40:25.800]  They want power over the food supply.
[01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:26.800]  So be on the lookout for that.
[01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:27.800]  They're going after our food.
[01:40:27.800 --> 01:40:30.800]  The other thing they're going after is our automobile traffic,
[01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:32.800]  our ability to travel by car.
[01:40:32.800 --> 01:40:35.800]  They've whopped up being able to track all of our other transportation,
[01:40:35.800 --> 01:40:36.800]  but not the car yet.
[01:40:36.800 --> 01:40:39.800]  That's why you're going to hear a whole bunch about toll roads.
[01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:41.800]  You're going to hear a whole bunch about inspection stickers,
[01:40:41.800 --> 01:40:44.800]  a whole bunch about funding, highways, a whole bunch.
[01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:48.800]  If they couldn't just throw some stimulus money at it, come on.
[01:40:48.800 --> 01:40:51.800]  So you're going to be hearing all of these, and in every case,
[01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:53.800]  look at the solution that they propose.
[01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:54.800]  The problems are real.
[01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:56.800]  I mean, we have real problems with our food.
[01:40:56.800 --> 01:40:57.800]  I mean, our food's killing us.
[01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:59.800]  So there's serious problems with the food,
[01:40:59.800 --> 01:41:03.800]  but the solution is not giving the FDA more power to control and track the food.
[01:41:03.800 --> 01:41:06.800]  Now, yeah, openly using the word food surveillance is a good thing.
[01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:10.800]  Openly using it, I just saw it last week, and I think it was CNN.
[01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:14.800]  So food surveillance and travel surveillance, that's what's coming.
[01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:15.800]  Did I do something on food real quick?
[01:41:15.800 --> 01:41:16.800]  Yeah, go ahead.
[01:41:16.800 --> 01:41:21.800]  Okay, you talk food, and I have to jump up.
[01:41:21.800 --> 01:41:24.800]  You know, my obsession has been NACE, which is the animal ID tracking,
[01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.800]  but it does not end there.
[01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:29.800]  Last summer, there was an FDA hearing,
[01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:34.800]  and my favorite excerpt from that was some bright young technology guy getting up
[01:41:34.800 --> 01:41:39.800]  and explaining to the FDA officials how we could laser etch barcodes
[01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:42.800]  into the skin of every tomato.
[01:41:42.800 --> 01:41:44.800]  And this was his proposal.
[01:41:44.800 --> 01:41:49.800]  And perhaps actually an even more terrifying thing was an FDA official's question,
[01:41:49.800 --> 01:41:51.800]  because the realities of food safety, by the way,
[01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:56.800]  for those who haven't really looked into the joys of salmonella and E. coli poisoning,
[01:41:56.800 --> 01:41:58.800]  is you don't eat something and throw up.
[01:41:58.800 --> 01:42:02.800]  You eat something, and five days later, you're sick as a dog.
[01:42:02.800 --> 01:42:05.800]  And the FDA guy comes to you or the CDC guy comes to you, and you go,
[01:42:05.800 --> 01:42:08.800]  what did you eat three, four, and five days ago?
[01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.800]  And you go, I don't have the first clue.
[01:42:10.800 --> 01:42:15.800]  And that's why they have trouble finding out what are the causes of food poisoning outbreaks.
[01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:21.800]  So here is an FDA official's concept of how we solve this biological problem.
[01:42:21.800 --> 01:42:29.800]  He wants to run a consumer education campaign to convince everybody to save the little barcoded stickies
[01:42:29.800 --> 01:42:34.800]  off of every piece of food so that they then can come to you and say,
[01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:38.800]  where's your calendar showing everything you've eaten?
[01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:44.800]  So this is where they are, and there are food safety bills in Congress right now
[01:42:44.800 --> 01:42:47.800]  that are dealing with food traceability.
[01:42:47.800 --> 01:42:51.800]  And they talk, some of them actually mandate fully electronic systems.
[01:42:51.800 --> 01:42:55.800]  Other of them don't mention electronic systems, but if you're going to track every tomato,
[01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:59.800]  kind of hard to figure out how you do it without massive databases.
[01:42:59.800 --> 01:43:06.800]  So there is very active movement both on NAIS and the broader food issues to track our food supply,
[01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:11.800]  and this is really the hot issue for FDA and for Congress.
[01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:15.800]  This is the code word, traceability.
[01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:21.800]  So now I think Sheila also had some stuff she wanted to talk about.
[01:43:21.800 --> 01:43:23.800]  Yes.
[01:43:23.800 --> 01:43:26.800]  Okay, Silicon Valley in Texas.
[01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:27.800]  All right.
[01:43:27.800 --> 01:43:30.800]  So the question was regarding the tags.
[01:43:30.800 --> 01:43:32.800]  We have the benefit.
[01:43:32.800 --> 01:43:39.800]  511 Campaign donated an Arfid Friar that's right here at Brave New Books.
[01:43:39.800 --> 01:43:43.800]  The technology is not responsible for working.
[01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:48.800]  The point of them putting it in your license is to get you to pay for it, not for it to work,
[01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:50.800]  just to get you to pay for it.
[01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:55.800]  So if it malfunctions and it doesn't work on your vehicle, that's okay.
[01:43:55.800 --> 01:44:00.800]  Just put it in the microwave and hear at Brave New Books and forget about it.
[01:44:00.800 --> 01:44:04.800]  If you don't want the toll tag, you go to the legislators, whatever,
[01:44:04.800 --> 01:44:07.800]  but you don't have to put up with the technology.
[01:44:07.800 --> 01:44:12.800]  If the technology, I have one rule, if the technology is meant to break you, you break the technology.
[01:44:12.800 --> 01:44:24.800]  All Aquarians know this is the secret to living.
[01:44:24.800 --> 01:44:28.800]  I'm not sure about the microwave because the telltale charm hooks might give you away.
[01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:30.800]  I think a hammer might be a better solution.
[01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:31.800]  It does work.
[01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:32.800]  Check, check.
[01:44:32.800 --> 01:44:33.800]  I guess it is working now.
[01:44:33.800 --> 01:44:39.800]  Hey, Katherine, you were talking earlier about how there's pros and cons for RFID.
[01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:42.800]  Maybe that can be a brochure that's printed out for you,
[01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:44.800]  but that's not waiting for the negatives.
[01:44:44.800 --> 01:44:46.800]  I wouldn't agree in that instance.
[01:44:46.800 --> 01:44:51.800]  But in general, I think I believe that technology in and of itself is neither good or evil.
[01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:54.800]  It's more people that carry out good or evil actions.
[01:44:54.800 --> 01:45:01.800]  But given that, do you think time would be better spent trying to replace the people in power with good people
[01:45:01.800 --> 01:45:05.800]  or just eliminating all the technology so that bad people can't use it?
[01:45:05.800 --> 01:45:11.800]  And I guess two parts, which do you think would be more effective and which do you think would be more realistic?
[01:45:11.800 --> 01:45:15.800]  And then one final hypothetical, given what you know today,
[01:45:15.800 --> 01:45:21.800]  if you could travel back 50 or 60 years and stop the development of computers in general, would you do so?
[01:45:21.800 --> 01:45:23.800]  That's an interesting question.
[01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:28.800]  We opened Spy Chips with a quote by C.P. Snow, who was a writer from the New York Times.
[01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:33.800]  And in 1971, before we even had RFID, certainly, he said,
[01:45:33.800 --> 01:45:38.800]  technology is a queer thing. It gives you great gifts with one hand and it stabs you in the back with the other.
[01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:43.800]  And I would say that technology has always been that way from the very beginning.
[01:45:43.800 --> 01:45:45.800]  Technology is both good and bad.
[01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.800]  I believe that that was actually the trade-off that was made in the Garden of Eden.
[01:45:48.800 --> 01:45:50.800]  You will have the knowledge of God.
[01:45:50.800 --> 01:45:53.800]  It will ultimately kill you, but you will be like God.
[01:45:53.800 --> 01:45:55.800]  And what was the tree that was eaten from?
[01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:57.800]  It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
[01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:00.800]  And I believe that that's actually what our technology is.
[01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:04.800]  So yes, technology can do tremendously good things. It can do tremendously evil things.
[01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:09.800]  It can destroy the entire planet many, many times over, and may well do that.
[01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:12.800]  Now, if I could travel back 60 years, would I undo it?
[01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:17.800]  I don't think I'd be in a position to have that kind of influence 50 or 60 years ago.
[01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:22.800]  I will point out that the very first computer to be built on U.S. soil was built by IBM.
[01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:28.800]  It was called the Mark, indeed, in the 1940s.
[01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:32.800]  The Mark, later when they came out with another one, they renamed them the Mark I and the Mark II.
[01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:38.800]  And its first official job was to do the numerical and mathematical calculations
[01:46:38.800 --> 01:46:42.800]  to create the atomic bomb that was dropped on Hiroshima.
[01:46:42.800 --> 01:46:46.800]  So would I undo that if I could? Yeah, I probably would.
[01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:49.800]  One final question.
[01:46:49.800 --> 01:46:52.800]  Hello, Catherine. I'm glad you're here, and I'm glad all of you all are here tonight
[01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:54.800]  because this is our fight.
[01:46:54.800 --> 01:46:58.800]  By God, there's so many fronts that we have to go on.
[01:46:58.800 --> 01:47:00.800]  It's very hard to pick and choose.
[01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:06.800]  I just want to let everybody know that here in Travis County, our wonderful magnanimous,
[01:47:06.800 --> 01:47:12.800]  in Austin, our wonderful police chief has decided to enact what they call fight and release,
[01:47:12.800 --> 01:47:17.800]  which is another form of control where they don't actually arrest you anymore,
[01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:21.800]  take you down, and book you if you're driving without a valid license.
[01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:26.800]  So that's one good thing. You're not going to get thrown in jail if you don't have a valid license.
[01:47:26.800 --> 01:47:31.800]  One of the other things that I wanted to mention was that now Texas has available an EDL,
[01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:35.800]  an enhanced driver's license. It's available for people who cross the border, et cetera.
[01:47:35.800 --> 01:47:41.800]  And I understand that that really has a longer range on it than people are telling.
[01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:44.800]  I'm the one who brought up the idea about SOMARC.
[01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:50.800]  The original articles that I read on that said it was readable within an area of four feet,
[01:47:50.800 --> 01:47:53.800]  which would be just about the right height if you were going over a scanner on the highway
[01:47:53.800 --> 01:47:55.800]  so it could tell where you were.
[01:47:55.800 --> 01:48:01.800]  And the article from the developer said that this would be useful in locating lost soldiers.
[01:48:01.800 --> 01:48:05.800]  So if they can only read it four feet away, how are they going to know where the soldiers are?
[01:48:05.800 --> 01:48:08.800]  I just want to let you know that this is a great thing that everybody's doing.
[01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:12.800]  We plan on being there with you tomorrow. We want to have more people.
[01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:17.800]  So everybody here, go out and tell all your friends that this is what's going on.
[01:48:17.800 --> 01:48:22.800]  It's real. Real ID is not dead. Sheila, you're doing a great job on that.
[01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:28.800]  They put it off on a national scale, but they're trying to hit all of the governors with this
[01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:34.800]  where they enact a RFID in all of the states individually.
[01:48:34.800 --> 01:48:37.800]  Now, if our fight is at the state level, then that's where we need to go.
[01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:42.800]  I would concentrate on the state levels and everybody's hometown and everybody's capital
[01:48:42.800 --> 01:48:44.800]  and try and do this.
[01:48:44.800 --> 01:48:47.800]  I just want to have one final question.
[01:48:47.800 --> 01:48:53.800]  If you had one area to concentrate on, and I know yours is RFID,
[01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:57.800]  but for most of us around here, regular people, would it be food?
[01:48:57.800 --> 01:49:05.800]  Would it be enhanced driver licenses? Would it be, you know, the market abuse?
[01:49:05.800 --> 01:49:06.800]  Are you asking me?
[01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:07.800]  Yes, I'm asking you.
[01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:11.800]  If there was one thing I could focus on and have all of you focus on,
[01:49:11.800 --> 01:49:23.800]  it would be finding each other, number one, first and foremost.
[01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:27.800]  It's a frustrating experience to go out with a flyer with information
[01:49:27.800 --> 01:49:30.800]  and talk to 50 people and only one of them hears you.
[01:49:30.800 --> 01:49:33.800]  And I would say ignore the 49 who don't.
[01:49:33.800 --> 01:49:37.800]  They are irrelevant. Even if they heard you, they're useless.
[01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:39.800]  Right? You want to find the one person.
[01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:41.800]  So you're not out there to change hearts and minds.
[01:49:41.800 --> 01:49:43.800]  You are out to find the kindred souls.
[01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:46.800]  And they're out there and they want to join us and they don't know we're here tonight.
[01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:49.800]  So I think that's what we need to do.
[01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:51.800]  Don't cast your pearls before swine.
[01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.800]  Do not waste your time talking to people who cannot hear you.
[01:49:54.800 --> 01:49:55.800]  Plant a seed and move on.
[01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:58.800]  And then find the people who are ripe trees with all kinds of fruit,
[01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.800]  just waiting to put it towards the cost.
[01:50:00.800 --> 01:50:02.800]  That's what we need to be doing.
[01:50:02.800 --> 01:50:05.800]  Find that two people out of 100 or that five people out of 100
[01:50:05.800 --> 01:50:06.800]  and bring them to the next meeting.
[01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:08.800]  Bring them to San Marcos tomorrow.
[01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:10.800]  Let's have a huge turnout there.
[01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:13.800]  Get people involved in that way when something comes down the pipe.
[01:50:13.800 --> 01:50:17.800]  When, you know, Judith or Lisa or Sheila has an event,
[01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:20.800]  then we've got a thousand people who can show up and back them up.
[01:50:20.800 --> 01:50:23.800]  And that way we don't all have to be reinventing the wheel.
[01:50:23.800 --> 01:50:26.800]  We can just be a force. We can be a body to show up.
[01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.800]  We can be the presence that works on these things.
[01:50:29.800 --> 01:50:31.800]  Because, you know, you don't need everybody to be an organizer.
[01:50:31.800 --> 01:50:34.800]  You need a lot of people just to show up and say, you know,
[01:50:34.800 --> 01:50:37.800]  we're going to stand here until you guys change.
[01:50:37.800 --> 01:50:39.800]  You know, you look at the Civil Rights Movement.
[01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:42.800]  There were only a handful in age that we remember from that period.
[01:50:42.800 --> 01:50:44.800]  But who really changed the world?
[01:50:44.800 --> 01:50:46.800]  It was the people standing out there in the streets saying,
[01:50:46.800 --> 01:50:48.800]  we're going to block this road until you change.
[01:50:48.800 --> 01:50:50.800]  That's who changed it.
[01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:53.800]  So we need to find those people and get them blocking the roads.
[01:50:53.800 --> 01:51:07.800]  Thank you.
[01:51:07.800 --> 01:51:10.800]  We've got a couple of announcements.
[01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:13.800]  We really need you in San Marcos at 6 p.m.
[01:51:13.800 --> 01:51:14.800]  That's when we need you.
[01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:17.800]  We really, really need you in San Marcos at about 6.30.
[01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:18.800]  But 6 would be better,
[01:51:18.800 --> 01:51:21.800]  because that's when the City Council members are going to start arriving.
[01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:23.800]  We have a 7 p.m. City Council meeting,
[01:51:23.800 --> 01:51:26.800]  and we are on the agenda to discuss this.
[01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:28.800]  So what's going to happen, all of the Austin folks,
[01:51:28.800 --> 01:51:32.800]  and I hope every person in this room comes and brings two or three other people,
[01:51:32.800 --> 01:51:36.800]  I'd like to see a thousand people outside of that San Marcos City Hall tomorrow.
[01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:40.800]  So when you show up, the Austin folks are going to hold vigil outside,
[01:51:40.800 --> 01:51:44.800]  while the San Marcos folks, with all that beautiful backup,
[01:51:44.800 --> 01:51:47.800]  are going to go in there and say, hi, City Council.
[01:51:47.800 --> 01:51:50.800]  We represent all those people out there and more,
[01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:52.800]  and we'd like to talk to you about this chipping requirement.
[01:51:52.800 --> 01:51:56.800]  So we're all going to sort of play the cast of characters that plays backup,
[01:51:56.800 --> 01:51:59.800]  while the San Marcos people go in there and do their thing.
[01:51:59.800 --> 01:52:01.800]  And that's going to be Lisa and her colleagues there.
[01:52:01.800 --> 01:52:03.800]  And if they let me testify, I'll do it, too.
[01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:06.800]  But otherwise, I'll just kind of show up and look as intimidating as I know how to show.
[01:52:06.800 --> 01:52:08.800]  Have a look.
[01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:14.800]  Yeah, no kidding, no kidding.
[01:52:14.800 --> 01:52:17.800]  So as far as tomorrow goes, we do have some signs,
[01:52:17.800 --> 01:52:19.800]  but it'd be great if you guys could make your signs.
[01:52:19.800 --> 01:52:21.800]  Have them be respectful, have them be positive.
[01:52:21.800 --> 01:52:25.800]  I've found that these events always go better if you dress really nicely,
[01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:28.800]  maybe even wear a suit and tie like you just showed up from your, you know,
[01:52:28.800 --> 01:52:31.800]  really, really well-paid lawyer job or whatever.
[01:52:31.800 --> 01:52:35.800]  And show up with your kids and show up with your balloons and your stroller
[01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:38.800]  and your happy little dog and be as nice as you know how to be,
[01:52:38.800 --> 01:52:40.800]  because we're going to intimidate by our numbers.
[01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:42.800]  We're not going to intimidate through any other means.
[01:52:42.800 --> 01:52:45.800]  It's going to be our numbers that are going to scare them.
[01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:47.800]  So given how scary our numbers are going to be,
[01:52:47.800 --> 01:52:50.800]  we need to try to be as unscary as possible,
[01:52:50.800 --> 01:52:52.800]  which is why I dress like this and do what I do,
[01:52:52.800 --> 01:52:54.800]  and wear a suit when I go to testify,
[01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:57.800]  because my message is scary enough for those guys.
[01:52:57.800 --> 01:52:59.800]  So show up tomorrow with signs.
[01:52:59.800 --> 01:53:01.800]  If you have a flameless candle,
[01:53:01.800 --> 01:53:05.800]  we've been asked not to have real candles or real flames because of the risk of fire,
[01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.800]  and with the drought, I take that very seriously.
[01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.800]  So if you'd like to bring a flashlight or one of those little tea lights,
[01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:14.800]  go into the dollar store and buy a couple of tea lights and bring those.
[01:53:14.800 --> 01:53:18.800]  It would be beautiful to see all of us out there with the lights.
[01:53:18.800 --> 01:53:22.800]  We do have some national coverage that's going to be taking to video at the event.
[01:53:22.800 --> 01:53:24.800]  We're going to get great television coverage.
[01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:27.800]  We have two of the Austin television stations going down there.
[01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:33.800]  KI will be there, K-T-X-N-A-K-X-A-N. Thank you.
[01:53:33.800 --> 01:53:35.800]  I was just there today. I don't know it.
[01:53:35.800 --> 01:53:37.800]  They're going to be there.
[01:53:37.800 --> 01:53:39.800]  We've got KLBJ covering it.
[01:53:39.800 --> 01:53:41.800]  We've got a lot of media coverage,
[01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:43.800]  and so having your numbers out there is going to be terrific.
[01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:47.800]  Those of you who want to join us earlier, let me tell you a couple of other things I'm doing tomorrow.
[01:53:47.800 --> 01:53:51.800]  I will be doing a luncheon, a more intimate event than this, presumably,
[01:53:51.800 --> 01:53:55.800]  from 1230 to 130 at Grin's Restaurant.
[01:53:55.800 --> 01:53:58.800]  This is all, by the way, up on my website at KatherineAlbrecht.com.
[01:53:58.800 --> 01:54:02.800]  If you click on Texas protests, you can find it along with addresses.
[01:54:02.800 --> 01:54:08.800]  I will also be speaking at the Texas State University Quad in San Marcos from 3 to 4 p.m.
[01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:12.800]  And then at 430, we're all going to get together at a coffeehouse called Wake the Dead,
[01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:17.800]  where we're going to be making signs, kind of giving each other pep talks before we go.
[01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:22.800]  And then from there, we're going to head over to the dog park at 6 p.m. across from the San Marcos City Hall.
[01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:28.800]  And then from there, when the sun sets around 630, we'll start lighting our little flameless candles
[01:54:28.800 --> 01:54:33.800]  and encourage the people who are going to go in to do battle in the City Hall meeting.
[01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:36.800]  So that's tomorrow. I really hope that you guys can come.
[01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:40.800]  That's going to be the real test, because this event tonight,
[01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:44.800]  my 800 media contacts don't really care about a book signing.
[01:54:44.800 --> 01:54:48.800]  I mean, we all care, but they don't. They care about a protest big time.
[01:54:48.800 --> 01:54:53.800]  And that's what's going to bring out the television cameras and the news media and the CNNs and the ABCs
[01:54:53.800 --> 01:54:57.800]  and the Good Morning Americas and all the other people who are covering this.
[01:54:57.800 --> 01:55:00.800]  It's going to be your numbers tomorrow. That's when they're looking and watching for that.
[01:55:00.800 --> 01:55:02.800]  Yeah.
[01:55:02.800 --> 01:55:05.800]  I'm on KLBJ tomorrow morning at 810 a.m.
[01:55:05.800 --> 01:55:08.800]  And they're going to give me either one or two segments.
[01:55:08.800 --> 01:55:11.800]  So 810 in the morning. Yeah.
[01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:15.800]  KLBJ, what's the frequency?
[01:55:15.800 --> 01:55:20.800]  590 a.m. KLBJ. Yeah, on tomorrow.
[01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:23.800]  OK. A couple of, I think we were...
[01:55:23.800 --> 01:55:27.800]  On the parking, there is a large Catholic church that is available for parking.
[01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:29.800]  In San Marcos?
[01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:33.800]  Right beside the City Hall. There's also parking right next to the dog park.
[01:55:33.800 --> 01:55:37.800]  They have opened that street back up, so there's parking across the street
[01:55:37.800 --> 01:55:42.800]  from the City Hall and right next to it at the Catholic Church has a very, very large parking lot.
[01:55:42.800 --> 01:55:44.800]  So, yeah.
[01:55:44.800 --> 01:55:48.800]  Yeah. And carpooling would be a good idea.
[01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:54.800]  I wanted to give my wonderful colleagues here an opportunity to say a final closing statement
[01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:58.800]  and then we'll go ahead and disband. I will be doing...
[01:55:58.800 --> 01:56:01.800]  I'll be signing books. I'm not sure where they're putting me.
[01:56:01.800 --> 01:56:04.800]  I guess I'll be right here. Right where you can find me.
[01:56:04.800 --> 01:56:07.800]  So, I will sit here and be more than happy to sign your books.
[01:56:07.800 --> 01:56:11.800]  Make sure that you have your book and that it's paid for and bring it on up and I'll be glad to sign it.
[01:56:11.800 --> 01:56:16.800]  Yeah.
[01:56:16.800 --> 01:56:20.800]  I guess there's a softball game tomorrow. Is that a chance?
[01:56:20.800 --> 01:56:23.800]  Yeah. I don't think that will interfere with what we're doing tomorrow.
[01:56:23.800 --> 01:56:25.800]  I think we're good for 6 p.m.
[01:56:25.800 --> 01:56:29.800]  So, 6 p.m. tomorrow in San Marcos. Be there or be square.
[01:56:29.800 --> 01:56:34.800]  Come by today.
[01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:39.800]  Okay. I know everyone wants to get to the book signing so I will keep this really, really short.
[01:56:39.800 --> 01:56:44.800]  I just want to pick up on something Catherine's been saying all night about turning up and being there
[01:56:44.800 --> 01:56:48.800]  because I can tell you what she said about city councils getting really bored
[01:56:48.800 --> 01:56:50.800]  because they have the same five people there.
[01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:54.800]  Really, really applies up at the state legislature.
[01:56:54.800 --> 01:56:58.800]  So, everybody, if you could make it here tonight, that means you're close enough into Austin.
[01:56:58.800 --> 01:57:03.800]  To make it to Austin capital, you know, a few blocks away.
[01:57:03.800 --> 01:57:09.800]  So, please pay attention to the action alerts that go out because when we have a hearing on a bill,
[01:57:09.800 --> 01:57:15.800]  I can't tell you the impact it makes on state legislatures to have people there.
[01:57:15.800 --> 01:57:19.800]  Just your presence makes a difference and I'll end with that.
[01:57:19.800 --> 01:57:21.800]  Sheila?
[01:57:21.800 --> 01:57:22.800]  Do you want to say a word?
[01:57:22.800 --> 01:57:25.800]  Yeah, I'll say a word.
[01:57:25.800 --> 01:57:29.800]  I am so grateful for your audience tonight.
[01:57:29.800 --> 01:57:35.800]  I really appreciate your patience and your sense of self-preservation when it comes to chipping.
[01:57:35.800 --> 01:57:38.800]  Technology is a tool.
[01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:44.800]  It's your friend, but it can be your enemy when somebody's wielding it against you.
[01:57:44.800 --> 01:57:48.800]  Please remember to contact your legislators about all these concerns and more.
[01:57:48.800 --> 01:57:52.800]  We have a concurrent resolution that we're trying to get sponsored.
[01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:58.800]  So, please, please remember us when you approach your legislators at the Capitol.
[01:57:58.800 --> 01:58:02.800]  The only thing I wanted to say is that this doesn't go into effect until April 1st.
[01:58:02.800 --> 01:58:06.800]  So, it's key that we all get out there and talk before it goes into effect.
[01:58:06.800 --> 01:58:14.800]  And we really appreciate brothers and sisters in Austin coming out to help us.
[01:58:14.800 --> 01:58:15.800]  All right.
[01:58:15.800 --> 01:58:16.800]  We are cutting to break.
[01:58:16.800 --> 01:58:18.800]  I guess I'll close this.
[01:58:18.800 --> 01:58:25.800]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:58:25.800 --> 01:58:31.800]  Dr. Albrecht is going to be signing books, and we will be catching an interview with her,
[01:58:31.800 --> 01:58:35.800]  hopefully later on in this hour.
[01:58:35.800 --> 01:58:38.800]  This is live from Grave New Books.
[01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:39.800]  Randy, what do you have to say?
[01:58:39.800 --> 01:58:40.800]  We've got a few seconds here.
[01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:41.800]  Wrap it up.
[01:58:41.800 --> 01:59:10.800]  Thank you, gentlemen.
[01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:15.800]  Sri Lankan police arrested the editor of a Tamil newspaper Thursday,
[01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:18.800]  accusing him of aiding a rebel air attack.
[01:59:18.800 --> 01:59:21.800]  The government faces growing criticism for recent attacks on journalists
[01:59:21.800 --> 01:59:25.800]  critical of its offensive against Tamil Tiger rebels.
[01:59:25.800 --> 01:59:30.800]  Last month, a prominent newspaper editor who criticized the war was shot dead,
[01:59:30.800 --> 01:59:33.800]  and an editor was stabbed.
[01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:40.800]  The United Arab Emirates signed a $5 billion arms deal during a defense show in Abu Dhabi.
[01:59:40.800 --> 01:59:46.800]  The contracts included a deal with Italy's Sen Santieri to supply an anti-submarine warship,
[01:59:46.800 --> 01:59:51.800]  and another with Boeing and Lockheed Martin for military transport aircrafts.
[01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:56.800]  The Senate has voted to give the District of Columbia a voting seat in the House of Representatives.
[01:59:56.800 --> 02:00:03.800]  However, lawmakers also attached language, stripping the district of many local gun control laws.
[02:00:03.800 --> 02:00:07.800]  Top of the hour news brought to you by INN World Report.
[02:00:07.800 --> 02:00:13.800]  Consumer advocate and presidential candidate Ralph Nader reports that while reckless banks go bust,
[02:00:13.800 --> 02:00:17.800]  the nation's credit unions are an island of calm.
[02:00:17.800 --> 02:00:22.800]  85 million Americans belong to credit unions, not-for-profit cooperatives
[02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:26.800]  owned by their members who are depositors and borrowers.
[02:00:26.800 --> 02:00:31.800]  91% of the 8,000 credit unions are reporting greater overall growth in mortgage lending
[02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:34.800]  than any other kind of loans.
[02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:38.800]  Credit unions are federally insured for up to $250,000 per account.
[02:00:38.800 --> 02:00:41.800]  They are well capitalized because of regulation.
[02:00:41.800 --> 02:00:47.800]  Credit unions have no incentive to speculate and do not pay exorbitant fees to bosses.
[02:00:47.800 --> 02:00:50.800]  Credit unions have no shareholders or stock options,
[02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:55.800]  according to Mike Schenk, an economist with the Credit Union National Association.
[02:00:55.800 --> 02:00:59.800]  There is another reason why credit unions avoided the mortgage debacle.
[02:00:59.800 --> 02:01:04.800]  They hold most of the loans they originate instead of selling them to investors,
[02:01:04.800 --> 02:01:07.800]  so they care about the loan's financial performance.
[02:01:10.800 --> 02:01:16.800]  In its latest rescue plan, the Obama administration will provide a virtually unlimited solvency guarantee
[02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:19.800]  to the nation's 19 largest banks.
[02:01:19.800 --> 02:01:25.800]  Barack Obama says he hopes this will replace what he called a 20th century financial regulatory system.
[02:01:25.800 --> 02:01:29.800]  The new capital assistance program amounts to a blank check
[02:01:29.800 --> 02:01:34.800]  to ensure banks with assets over $100 billion remain solvent.
[02:01:34.800 --> 02:01:39.800]  Between now and the end of April, federal regulators will examine the books of Citigroup,
[02:01:39.800 --> 02:01:42.800]  Bank of America, Wells Fargo and others.
[02:01:42.800 --> 02:01:46.800]  These stress tests will gauge whether the banks have enough capital
[02:01:46.800 --> 02:01:49.800]  to cope with a more severe economic downturn.
[02:01:49.800 --> 02:01:54.800]  Those that lack enough capital will be given six months to raise more private capital
[02:01:54.800 --> 02:01:56.800]  or ask for a capital buffer from the government.
[02:01:56.800 --> 02:02:00.800]  If a bank cannot raise private funds and needs capital from the government,
[02:02:00.800 --> 02:02:04.800]  it would do so in exchange for convertible preferred shares.
[02:02:04.800 --> 02:02:31.800]  The government would then become a shareholder in the company.
[02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:35.800]  But this one is dedicated to the girl named Julie.
[02:02:35.800 --> 02:02:38.800]  You know, she well gooey.
[02:02:38.800 --> 02:02:41.800]  Some say she's cool.
[02:02:41.800 --> 02:02:44.800]  But Julie's no fool.
[02:02:44.800 --> 02:02:48.800]  She want money when it comes to her manatee.
[02:02:48.800 --> 02:02:51.800]  And I'm not not a manatee.
[02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:55.800]  Okay, because Julie, you know, she well gooey.
[02:02:55.800 --> 02:02:57.800]  She said she didn't want no money.
[02:02:57.800 --> 02:03:00.800]  We're fooling because Julie, man, she well gooey.
[02:03:00.800 --> 02:03:03.800]  She said she only want helicopter money.
[02:03:03.800 --> 02:03:06.800]  Because you manatee, drink the money.
[02:03:06.800 --> 02:03:12.800]  Drink the money in U.S. currency.
[02:03:12.800 --> 02:03:13.800]  All right, we are back.
[02:03:13.800 --> 02:03:16.800]  This is The Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[02:03:16.800 --> 02:03:19.800]  We are live from Brave New Books.
[02:03:19.800 --> 02:03:24.800]  I think we might have got cut off there at the end.
[02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:26.800]  I'm used to that.
[02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:30.800]  When I start talking, people tend to want to cut me off.
[02:03:30.800 --> 02:03:31.800]  Sorry about that.
[02:03:31.800 --> 02:03:33.800]  Dr. Catherine Albrecht just gave her talk with the question and answer.
[02:03:33.800 --> 02:03:35.800]  She's signing books right now.
[02:03:35.800 --> 02:03:39.800]  And she will be coming and joining us on the radio in just a few moments.
[02:03:39.800 --> 02:03:42.800]  But in the meantime, we're on the air for another hour.
[02:03:42.800 --> 02:03:51.800]  And Randy, I would like to ask you what you think about how we could possibly challenge this legally.
[02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:55.800]  Because this whole thing about them wanting to forcefully chip our animals,
[02:03:55.800 --> 02:03:59.800]  I mean, the government is trying to tell people what they have to do with their property because animals are property.
[02:03:59.800 --> 02:04:03.800]  It's like the government telling me, well, I have to paint my wall yellow or whatever.
[02:04:03.800 --> 02:04:10.800]  I mean, so how would we legally challenge something like this according to property rights?
[02:04:10.800 --> 02:04:20.800]  Well, we were talking about that on the break and I was sitting trying to figure out how could we effectively challenge that.
[02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:26.800]  It goes to personal property, but how to make the accusation?
[02:04:26.800 --> 02:04:31.800]  They're going to say that, well, we're not taking your personal property from you.
[02:04:31.800 --> 02:04:47.800]  We're just trying to help you out so we can eliminate problems like whooping mouth disease or other plagues that tend to get out in the population.
[02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:51.800]  This is for a good reason. How would I show harm?
[02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:58.800]  In order for me to raise an issue, I would have to show that I was harmed by whatever was going on.
[02:04:58.800 --> 02:05:02.800]  I can't go in there and complain about a theoretical harm.
[02:05:02.800 --> 02:05:06.800]  Well, there's plenty of research to show that these chips do harm the animals.
[02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:09.800]  And if our property is getting harmed, then we're suffering damage.
[02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:17.800]  The problem with that is we get into this, well, which harm is greater?
[02:05:17.800 --> 02:05:19.800]  What do you mean which harm is greater?
[02:05:19.800 --> 02:05:27.800]  We have a guy that says that he chipped a whole lot of the larger animals and had no effective health effect.
[02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:33.800]  So, okay, we've got a bunch of cows here and I don't want to chip them.
[02:05:33.800 --> 02:05:43.800]  In order for me to raise an objection, I have to show harm.
[02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:50.800]  And just generically saying, well, it's my right, that's not really enough to turn a law aside.
[02:05:50.800 --> 02:05:56.800]  Well, Randy, according to that line of thinking, then the government can just make us do and require us to do whatever they want.
[02:05:56.800 --> 02:06:01.800]  And as long as we can't prove that we're harmed, then that means we're totally screwed here.
[02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:03.800]  That's how it's always been.
[02:06:03.800 --> 02:06:05.800]  No, no, I disagree.
[02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:08.800]  It doesn't say that we can't show that we're harmed.
[02:06:08.800 --> 02:06:11.800]  We just have to be somewhat creative.
[02:06:11.800 --> 02:06:13.800]  I don't know about that, Randy.
[02:06:13.800 --> 02:06:19.800]  Something doesn't jive right with me that the government can force us into anything.
[02:06:19.800 --> 02:06:25.800]  And if we can't prove somehow that there's some specific type of harm, then we can't object to it.
[02:06:25.800 --> 02:06:32.800]  Well, there needs to be a situation, the government has to show proof of why they need to make us do this,
[02:06:32.800 --> 02:06:37.800]  not we have to show proof of why they shouldn't make us do it.
[02:06:37.800 --> 02:06:38.800]  Wrong argument.
[02:06:38.800 --> 02:06:40.800]  No, I'm sorry, that's my right.
[02:06:40.800 --> 02:06:50.800]  No, I'm saying that's not the argument we want to go to, to saying why the government should be able to make us do this.
[02:06:50.800 --> 02:06:57.800]  The argument we need to go to is where does the government get a right to interfere with what we do?
[02:06:57.800 --> 02:06:59.800]  That's exactly what I was trying to say.
[02:06:59.800 --> 02:07:00.800]  What do they get?
[02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:05.800]  It has to be constitutional, it has to be statutory.
[02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:15.800]  So raising an issue, once the law is passed, the only way we're going to get rid of it is showing that it violates constitutional rights.
[02:07:15.800 --> 02:07:18.800]  So how do we get that with a chip?
[02:07:18.800 --> 02:07:25.800]  Well, is it our constitutional right to do what we want with our property?
[02:07:25.800 --> 02:07:29.800]  They're going to say yes, it is, as long as it doesn't interfere with someone else.
[02:07:29.800 --> 02:07:42.800]  Well, if it's my cat in my house, I don't see how it's going to interfere with anyone else or harm anyone else by me not putting a chip in my cat, okay?
[02:07:42.800 --> 02:07:49.800]  I would tend to agree, and in thinking about it, it hasn't been something that I've studied a lot.
[02:07:49.800 --> 02:08:02.800]  I'm trying to think about how, if I were the other guy who would benefit from the chip, what kind of story would I make up to overcome the objection?
[02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:11.800]  Yeah, how am I harming anybody by not putting a chip in my cat that lives inside my house, okay?
[02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:15.800]  Well, they're going to say, well, if your cat gets out of the house...
[02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:18.800]  If my cat gets out of the house, how is it going to harm anybody else by not having a chip?
[02:08:18.800 --> 02:08:27.800]  I can understand the argument for vaccinations, because if my cat is carrying a disease or something, then it might, you know, infect other animals.
[02:08:27.800 --> 02:08:33.800]  But how is my cat, how am I harming anybody else, even if my cat jumps the fence by my cat not having a chip?
[02:08:33.800 --> 02:08:42.800]  I'm sorry, I just don't see how I'm causing anyone else any damage whatsoever by not having a chip in my cat.
[02:08:42.800 --> 02:08:46.800]  Their big argument is, well, if it gets lost, you'll be able to find it.
[02:08:46.800 --> 02:08:49.800]  Well, that's my decision, maybe, yeah, maybe, I don't care.
[02:08:49.800 --> 02:08:54.800]  Okay, well, harm and injury, we're going to have to go back to the Constitution.
[02:08:54.800 --> 02:09:01.800]  This is, because of the nature of this, it's one of those things that's going to have to go back purely to Constitutional.
[02:09:01.800 --> 02:09:15.800]  Do I have a right to do, or actually, better, does the government have any kind of right to dictate what I do with my property
[02:09:15.800 --> 02:09:21.800]  so long as what I'm doing with my property doesn't interfere with anyone else's right?
[02:09:21.800 --> 02:09:25.800]  That's exactly what I was going through in the beginning.
[02:09:25.800 --> 02:09:27.800]  The problem is...
[02:09:27.800 --> 02:09:31.800]  I mean, we're the sovereigns, remember, like you always say, they're our servants.
[02:09:31.800 --> 02:09:38.800]  They don't tell us what to do, and we have to prove that we'll be harmed if we do what they tell us to do.
[02:09:38.800 --> 02:09:41.800]  No, we tell them what to do, okay, we're the sovereigns.
[02:09:41.800 --> 02:09:44.800]  They have no right to tell us what to do with our property.
[02:09:44.800 --> 02:09:48.800]  We tell them what their parameters are of their job and their authorities and duties.
[02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:57.800]  The real issue here is that the courts have held that we cannot challenge a statute unless we've been harmed by it.
[02:09:57.800 --> 02:10:04.800]  And for me, the most egregious abuse of that is the Military Commissions Act.
[02:10:04.800 --> 02:10:12.800]  Military Commissions Act gives the President, in the time of an emergency, to disband the Congress.
[02:10:12.800 --> 02:10:18.800]  So here's the problem, you know, I can run in there and say, wow, that's unconstitutional.
[02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:24.800]  And the court's going to say, well, how do you have standing to raise that issue?
[02:10:24.800 --> 02:10:26.800]  How have you been harmed?
[02:10:26.800 --> 02:10:29.800]  And I'm going to say, well, I haven't.
[02:10:29.800 --> 02:10:33.800]  But if they do this, then I'll be harmed terribly.
[02:10:33.800 --> 02:10:36.800]  And they're going to say, well, yeah, but that goes to the preemption doctor.
[02:10:36.800 --> 02:10:44.800]  And you can't strike down a law in order to preempt something you think might happen.
[02:10:44.800 --> 02:10:50.800]  Yeah, but if it's unconstitutional, if it violates our rights, then it's unconstitutional.
[02:10:50.800 --> 02:10:52.800]  It gets struck down.
[02:10:52.800 --> 02:10:55.800]  This is the world we live in.
[02:10:55.800 --> 02:10:59.800]  You can't raise a constitutional issue unless you've been harmed.
[02:10:59.800 --> 02:11:01.800]  You have to have standing to bring it.
[02:11:01.800 --> 02:11:08.800]  And the Military Commissions Act is a perfect example of why we need something in the middle.
[02:11:08.800 --> 02:11:17.800]  Because if this is enacted, if the President does declare martial law and disband the Congress,
[02:11:17.800 --> 02:11:20.800]  well, there's nothing you can do about it because you don't have Congress anymore.
[02:11:20.800 --> 02:11:28.800]  Well, Randy, are you trying to say that I would have to have the chip put in my cat,
[02:11:28.800 --> 02:11:34.800]  my cat would have to suffer severe health damage and lose my cat in order for me to raise an issue about it in court?
[02:11:34.800 --> 02:11:40.800]  What about going off of the research that's already proved that it causes damage to small animals?
[02:11:40.800 --> 02:11:45.800]  See, we get into doctrines that are in place to help us.
[02:11:45.800 --> 02:11:49.800]  And sometimes they help us, sometimes they hurt us.
[02:11:49.800 --> 02:11:56.800]  The government can't pass a law to prevent me from doing something because in doing that,
[02:11:56.800 --> 02:12:02.800]  I could potentially use that right to commit a crime.
[02:12:02.800 --> 02:12:09.800]  The government cannot say that I can't have a gun because I might shoot somebody with it.
[02:12:09.800 --> 02:12:11.800]  The preemption doctrine stops that.
[02:12:11.800 --> 02:12:18.800]  The preemption doctrine says you can't deny someone in a riot because they may abuse the right.
[02:12:18.800 --> 02:12:19.800]  You can prosecute them after they do.
[02:12:19.800 --> 02:12:21.800]  All right. Well, let's start taking some calls.
[02:12:21.800 --> 02:12:22.800]  We're going to open up the phone lines.
[02:12:22.800 --> 02:12:24.800]  Let's see what the callers have to say about it.
[02:12:24.800 --> 02:12:27.800]  Callers, you like to call in 512-646-1984.
[02:12:27.800 --> 02:12:29.800]  What do you think about this?
[02:12:29.800 --> 02:12:35.800]  What do you think about horse chipping of animals?
[02:12:35.800 --> 02:12:40.800]  And Randy, I'd like you to go ahead and continue on with this preemption doctrine thing here.
[02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:48.800]  I mean, because there should be a way, if there is significant research that shows that it causes damage,
[02:12:48.800 --> 02:12:55.800]  health problems, even death to the pets, to the small animals, then we should be able to raise an issue in court
[02:12:55.800 --> 02:12:57.800]  to have the law struck down.
[02:12:57.800 --> 02:13:00.800]  We shouldn't all have to have our cats die first.
[02:13:00.800 --> 02:13:03.800]  I mean, there's already research showing that it causes damage.
[02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:07.800]  That should be some sort of court precedent that we can use.
[02:13:07.800 --> 02:13:15.800]  On the other hand, all we have to show is that it gave our cat an owie.
[02:13:15.800 --> 02:13:18.800]  I don't want to give my cat an owie.
[02:13:18.800 --> 02:13:21.800]  If it gives the cat, it don't have to kill the cat.
[02:13:21.800 --> 02:13:25.800]  All it has to do is give your cat an owie, and now you have standing.
[02:13:25.800 --> 02:13:31.800]  Why can't we say it gave somebody else's cat an owie, so I don't want to do it to mine?
[02:13:31.800 --> 02:13:33.800]  That's what the court has said.
[02:13:33.800 --> 02:13:37.800]  Whoever got the owie, that's the one that has to raise the issue.
[02:13:37.800 --> 02:13:40.800]  If you haven't been injured, you can't raise the issue.
[02:13:40.800 --> 02:13:42.800]  This is the reality of what we're dealing with.
[02:13:42.800 --> 02:13:48.800]  All right, well then, anybody out there, if your cat got an owie, as Randy says,
[02:13:48.800 --> 02:13:56.800]  from a chip or if your pet suffered any damage whatsoever, even an owie,
[02:13:56.800 --> 02:14:03.800]  got sick, bled to death and died like this other person's dog did, we need you.
[02:14:03.800 --> 02:14:08.800]  We need you to help us fight this fight because I can't raise an issue about it
[02:14:08.800 --> 02:14:12.800]  unless I've done it to my cat already and suffered damage,
[02:14:12.800 --> 02:14:15.800]  according to what Randy's saying, and I ain't going there.
[02:14:15.800 --> 02:14:18.800]  I'm not going to risk it because I already know what's going to happen.
[02:14:18.800 --> 02:14:23.800]  Well, the preemption doctrine has its problems, but they're not that great.
[02:14:23.800 --> 02:14:26.800]  It doesn't take much to give you standing.
[02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:33.800]  Any interference with the right or any harm to the pet of any kind is sufficient to raise standing.
[02:14:33.800 --> 02:14:38.800]  All right, callers call in, 512-646-1984.
[02:14:38.800 --> 02:14:41.800]  Has your cat suffered an owie?
[02:14:41.800 --> 02:14:44.800]  Okay, have you suffered any damage to any of your animals?
[02:14:44.800 --> 02:14:50.800]  Have any of your animals gotten sick or died or had any problems?
[02:14:50.800 --> 02:14:56.800]  Have you suffered any damage whatsoever by having had put an RFID chip into your pets?
[02:14:56.800 --> 02:15:01.800]  If so, give us a call right now, 512-646-1984.
[02:15:01.800 --> 02:15:04.800]  It's on location at Brave New Books.
[02:15:04.800 --> 02:15:06.800]  Dr. Catherine is all breakfast here.
[02:15:06.800 --> 02:15:08.800]  She's signing books right now,
[02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:13.800]  and she should be joining us sometime before the end of the hour,
[02:15:13.800 --> 02:15:15.800]  and she takes a break from signing books.
[02:15:15.800 --> 02:15:18.800]  And another thing about, once you have standing,
[02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:24.800]  if you're raising an issue that affects a large cross-section of the population,
[02:15:24.800 --> 02:15:32.800]  you can move for injunctive relief based on harm to the cross-section of the population
[02:15:32.800 --> 02:15:39.800]  so that once you have standing, you can act to protect someone else who hasn't been harmed yet.
[02:15:39.800 --> 02:15:41.800]  So, if anybody's...
[02:15:41.800 --> 02:15:43.800]  Wait, say that again now, Randy?
[02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:45.800]  Okay, on the chip thing.
[02:15:45.800 --> 02:15:47.800]  They're saying, we want to chip your animals.
[02:15:47.800 --> 02:15:48.800]  They say, oh, that's not a problem.
[02:15:48.800 --> 02:15:51.800]  And somebody can say, well, you gave my cat an owie.
[02:15:51.800 --> 02:15:53.800]  So, you harmed my cat.
[02:15:53.800 --> 02:15:55.800]  I have standing to sue.
[02:15:55.800 --> 02:15:59.800]  But if you do this, you're going to be harming all these other people's cats.
[02:15:59.800 --> 02:16:01.800]  Look at all these cats that got one of these.
[02:16:01.800 --> 02:16:02.800]  They all got owies.
[02:16:02.800 --> 02:16:07.800]  Okay, but the person whose cat actually got the owie has to raise the issue.
[02:16:07.800 --> 02:16:11.800]  I have to raise the issue now that I've raised the issue.
[02:16:11.800 --> 02:16:13.800]  Can you say, you've got to stop this now,
[02:16:13.800 --> 02:16:16.800]  because otherwise you're going to give everybody else's cat an owie?
[02:16:16.800 --> 02:16:20.800]  Or there's a lot of other cats that got owies, and I get to sue for them.
[02:16:20.800 --> 02:16:23.800]  Right.
[02:16:23.800 --> 02:16:25.800]  We are going to break.
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[02:25:05.800 --> 02:25:09.000]  policies immediately to keep that kind of thing from happening.
[02:25:09.000 --> 02:25:13.320]  Yeah, well the point is we want them to stop. We want them to stop.
[02:25:13.320 --> 02:25:17.480]  This is how we get it done. We just start beating them up,
[02:25:17.480 --> 02:25:22.040]  stinging them, and kicking them, and they'll begin to change their policies.
[02:25:22.040 --> 02:25:27.400]  Now this is the reality. The fact of suing them is difficult,
[02:25:27.400 --> 02:25:31.720]  but life is difficult. You know, if we're going to preserve our freedom,
[02:25:31.720 --> 02:25:37.400]  at some point we have to stand up and be counted. Go do the hard thing.
[02:25:37.400 --> 02:25:39.160]  All right, well what do you say we go to the callers, Randy?
[02:25:39.160 --> 02:25:39.800]  Okay, let's go to the callers.
[02:25:39.800 --> 02:25:45.080]  All right, let's go to the callers. We got Moho in Texas, or Mojo in Texas.
[02:25:45.080 --> 02:25:48.440]  Mojo, thank you for calling. What's on your mind tonight?
[02:25:48.440 --> 02:25:52.440]  Hey Deborah and Randy. I was the guy standing in the hall for a little while.
[02:25:52.440 --> 02:25:56.280]  It was good to see you guys. I listen to the show regularly,
[02:25:56.280 --> 02:26:00.200]  and it's one of my favorite shows on GCN, but
[02:26:00.200 --> 02:26:03.320]  I was in Catherine Albrecht's presentation, and
[02:26:03.320 --> 02:26:06.920]  I'm a technologist from way back, so I understand a lot of technology.
[02:26:06.920 --> 02:26:11.080]  I think the issue is not whether they can tag our animals, because they've been
[02:26:11.080 --> 02:26:14.120]  making us get vaccinations for our animals for a long time, which means
[02:26:14.120 --> 02:26:17.080]  they're injecting them, not against our will. I mean, they make
[02:26:17.080 --> 02:26:20.200]  you get all kinds of vaccinations, but we know vaccinations are not very good
[02:26:20.200 --> 02:26:24.360]  for animals, or ourselves, and they also make us get tagged
[02:26:24.360 --> 02:26:27.000]  and buy a tag that they wear around their neck.
[02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:30.520]  We know that. My grandfather was a dairyman, and he
[02:26:30.520 --> 02:26:34.760]  tattooed all of his cow's ears, so he could track his cow.
[02:26:34.760 --> 02:26:39.560]  So we've been tracking animals for a long time, voluntarily. I think the issue is
[02:26:39.560 --> 02:26:44.040]  it's involuntary. They're telling us we have to inject something in our animal
[02:26:44.040 --> 02:26:49.880]  involuntarily, and their premise is going to be, well, you inject vaccines into
[02:26:49.880 --> 02:26:53.640]  them involuntarily, and so, I mean, I could see their
[02:26:53.640 --> 02:26:57.240]  argument that we've been forced to do this to our animals at our
[02:26:57.240 --> 02:27:00.600]  livestock for a while, so what's the difference between a chip and a
[02:27:00.600 --> 02:27:04.760]  vaccine, or what's the difference between a chip and a tag on their neck?
[02:27:04.760 --> 02:27:08.280]  A lot of difference. Well, I agree, I'm not for it.
[02:27:08.280 --> 02:27:16.680]  One of my animals gets mastitis, not mastitis, brucellosis, anthrax.
[02:27:16.680 --> 02:27:21.880]  The anthrax is not contained to my specific animal, and this goes to common
[02:27:21.880 --> 02:27:25.480]  law. I don't have a right to create an
[02:27:25.480 --> 02:27:32.280]  unreasonable hazard. If I were to bring in a
[02:27:32.280 --> 02:27:36.120]  an animal that had hoof and mouth disease into the
[02:27:36.120 --> 02:27:40.600]  into the neighborhood. That's right. Because that hoof and mouth disease is not contained to
[02:27:40.600 --> 02:27:45.000]  that animal, but the chip is. One of my poultry, I'm a
[02:27:45.000 --> 02:27:48.360]  moderator on several Yahoo groups, and one of them is about poultry, because I
[02:27:48.360 --> 02:27:52.760]  have chickens. I'm a chicken enthusiast, and there were some people on the list
[02:27:52.760 --> 02:27:56.600]  that were trapping raccoons and then taking them away from their
[02:27:56.600 --> 02:27:59.880]  neighborhood and releasing them instead of killing them, because the raccoons are
[02:27:59.880 --> 02:28:03.480]  killing their chickens, and I pointed out that in Texas there is a law
[02:28:03.480 --> 02:28:05.800]  in the books by the Texas Department of Wildlife
[02:28:05.800 --> 02:28:10.680]  that is a classy misdemeanor with a $500 fine and possible year in jail
[02:28:10.680 --> 02:28:15.320]  for relocating a raccoon, and the reason is this raccoons harbor rabies,
[02:28:15.320 --> 02:28:18.520]  and they don't want you taking an animal from one neighborhood that might have
[02:28:18.520 --> 02:28:21.480]  rabies and transporting it to another neighborhood
[02:28:21.480 --> 02:28:25.160]  where it doesn't have rabies, and that's a wild animal, and you know
[02:28:25.160 --> 02:28:29.080]  unfortunately it's the same fine as having an ounce of marijuana, which is
[02:28:29.080 --> 02:28:34.760]  the $500 fine and classy misdemeanor, all for relocating a raccoon,
[02:28:34.760 --> 02:28:37.800]  and when I pointed that out to people they were shocked that that law is on the
[02:28:37.800 --> 02:28:42.520]  books, but it is, it's there. Well, the law in its context
[02:28:42.520 --> 02:28:46.840]  actually makes good sense. I'm from Wise County, Texas, and it
[02:28:46.840 --> 02:28:51.000]  traditionally has the highest rabie count in the nation,
[02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:56.600]  and I understand why in certain circumstances that can be
[02:28:56.600 --> 02:29:02.360]  a problem. So what's the solution with the raccoon? Can you just
[02:29:02.360 --> 02:29:07.080]  make a guess? Well, you can't kill it if it's destroying your livestock, but
[02:29:07.080 --> 02:29:10.920]  to be able to do it and do anything with the hide or the meat you have to have a
[02:29:10.920 --> 02:29:15.880]  hunting life and then a trapping life, but according to the wildlife nuisance
[02:29:15.880 --> 02:29:20.040]  laws, you can destroy that animal if it's destroying your wildlife,
[02:29:20.040 --> 02:29:24.120]  and you know that's what you're supposed to do with it is destroy it. Now
[02:29:24.120 --> 02:29:26.840]  I asked some wildlife officers about this, and they said, oh well you're
[02:29:26.840 --> 02:29:30.600]  supposed to call someone who's certified. Wait, hold on, hold on, we're going to
[02:29:30.600 --> 02:29:34.760]  break. Hold on the line, okay? And listeners, I'm sorry, we're suffering
[02:29:34.760 --> 02:29:38.040]  some bandwidth issues here, so that's why the stream sounded a little low.
[02:29:38.040 --> 02:29:41.080]  We're trying to bring it back up, so just bear with us here.
[02:29:41.080 --> 02:29:44.920]  We still don't have broadband cards, we've got to get it.
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[02:31:38.840 --> 02:31:45.800]  We're here talking to our caller, I'm sorry,
[02:31:45.800 --> 02:31:51.400]  Moho or Mojo? Mojo. Mojo in Texas. All right, please continue.
[02:31:51.400 --> 02:31:54.920]  And I just got word Catherine Albrecht is going to join us in about 10 minutes.
[02:31:54.920 --> 02:32:00.040]  And callers again, let's apologize. We're suffering some bandwidth issues here.
[02:32:00.040 --> 02:32:02.840]  We're doing the best we can. I think we got the levels back up. I'm
[02:32:02.840 --> 02:32:05.800]  having to really crank it on this end because they're having bandwidth
[02:32:05.800 --> 02:32:10.680]  problems here at the bookstore. Okay, so the law says you have to call a
[02:32:10.680 --> 02:32:15.960]  certified wildlife relocator and you have to pay them
[02:32:15.960 --> 02:32:22.280]  to relocate this animal or to dispose of this animal. And if you don't do that
[02:32:22.280 --> 02:32:28.360]  then it's even bigger fine. But back to the mandatory microchipping
[02:32:28.360 --> 02:32:31.960]  of your animals, it's an expense that some people,
[02:32:31.960 --> 02:32:35.400]  like you said Debra, when I was standing in the hall there, what if I don't care
[02:32:35.400 --> 02:32:39.400]  about my cat? What if I don't want to spend any money on my animal?
[02:32:39.400 --> 02:32:42.760]  They're already making me get it vaccinated and put a tag on it.
[02:32:42.760 --> 02:32:48.040]  Isn't that good enough? Yeah, that's the issue. It goes to common law.
[02:32:48.040 --> 02:32:53.960]  Under common law, if I don't vaccinate my animals and we're in an
[02:32:53.960 --> 02:32:57.800]  area of high population density of animals,
[02:32:57.800 --> 02:33:02.360]  that's beyond what would be the natural population density,
[02:33:02.360 --> 02:33:07.880]  then bringing a contaminated animal creates an unreasonable hazard.
[02:33:07.880 --> 02:33:11.880]  So I have a duty to protect my neighbors, but
[02:33:11.880 --> 02:33:16.920]  chipping a cat, that doesn't go to common law.
[02:33:16.920 --> 02:33:20.440]  Now we get back to personal property rights
[02:33:20.440 --> 02:33:24.520]  and so long as my animal is not doing harm to someone else,
[02:33:24.520 --> 02:33:32.040]  it's not their business. And the government has no standing
[02:33:32.040 --> 02:33:36.680]  to pass legislation that would interfere.
[02:33:36.680 --> 02:33:42.600]  So Randy, let me give you another example of chipping that actually has
[02:33:42.600 --> 02:33:46.440]  caused a problem. A friend of mine lost a dog in the city of Austin.
[02:33:46.440 --> 02:33:51.000]  The dog was picked up, taken to Town Lake Animal Center where it was chipped.
[02:33:51.000 --> 02:33:54.440]  They will not give you your dog back until they chip your dog
[02:33:54.440 --> 02:33:59.000]  and then also they make you pay like two hundred dollars unless you have it
[02:33:59.000 --> 02:34:02.600]  neutered and then they give it all back to you with the chip for 50 bucks.
[02:34:02.600 --> 02:34:05.640]  And so my friend got his dog back with the chip
[02:34:05.640 --> 02:34:10.200]  and without his genitalia intact, even though he didn't.
[02:34:10.200 --> 02:34:13.720]  Wait a minute, Mojo, you're saying this is in Austin now they're doing this?
[02:34:13.720 --> 02:34:17.640]  At the Austin Town Lake Animal Center, if your dog is taken in there,
[02:34:17.640 --> 02:34:21.400]  number one they tell you that we will give it back to you for two hundred
[02:34:21.400 --> 02:34:24.680]  dollars and they put the chip in and you have no choice.
[02:34:24.680 --> 02:34:29.080]  Number two, if you sign up and say that you will do that and they
[02:34:29.080 --> 02:34:32.360]  neuter the animal, then they lower the fee to 50 dollars.
[02:34:32.360 --> 02:34:35.880]  Okay, now here's their premise, it helps you get your animal back, it's good for
[02:34:35.880 --> 02:34:40.200]  your animal, if you lose your animal you can call all these vets and get your
[02:34:40.200 --> 02:34:43.000]  dog back. So my friend did all this and he got his dog
[02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:46.680]  and now his dog got out again a few months later and was lost.
[02:34:46.680 --> 02:34:50.120]  Now this time he goes to try and call all these vets, he's supposed to be able
[02:34:50.120 --> 02:34:53.560]  to get his dog back. Guess what? They charge you for every
[02:34:53.560 --> 02:34:57.720]  vet you send an email to that you call. He ended up spending almost a hundred
[02:34:57.720 --> 02:35:00.920]  dollars notifying vets of the number that was
[02:35:00.920 --> 02:35:04.360]  supposedly in his dog that they did through this tracking. They
[02:35:04.360 --> 02:35:07.880]  didn't tell him that he had to pay to notify the vets after the chipping
[02:35:07.880 --> 02:35:11.800]  and he finally gave up, never got his dog back, spent another hundred bucks
[02:35:11.800 --> 02:35:15.960]  sending emails and notifications to vets as part of this program to help him get
[02:35:15.960 --> 02:35:19.080]  his dog back. And this is going on in the city of Austin
[02:35:19.080 --> 02:35:26.440]  now. He should sue the city of Austin for fraud by non-disclosure.
[02:35:26.440 --> 02:35:31.160]  Right and so they didn't tell him when he got this chipped and signed up for it
[02:35:31.160 --> 02:35:33.400]  that he was going to have to pay the vets if
[02:35:33.400 --> 02:35:36.920]  he wanted to contact them about his lost dog.
[02:35:36.920 --> 02:35:41.000]  That's fraud by non-disclosure, that's a cause of action
[02:35:41.000 --> 02:35:44.680]  which they won't be doing. There are documents that he signed but you know
[02:35:44.680 --> 02:35:46.840]  when you're trying to get your dog back and there's a
[02:35:46.840 --> 02:35:50.520]  14 page form and triplicate and you just sign it
[02:35:50.520 --> 02:35:53.960]  I bet you it was buried in there somewhere and he signed it. It's in the
[02:35:53.960 --> 02:36:00.280]  case law if they've buried a provision in a contract this way that you don't
[02:36:00.280 --> 02:36:06.280]  you can't be held to it. The provision has to have consideration
[02:36:06.280 --> 02:36:10.360]  otherwise you know there's a term for a contract
[02:36:10.360 --> 02:36:14.280]  that has a provision that doesn't provide consideration.
[02:36:14.280 --> 02:36:18.280]  Right oh it's anyway there's a term for it
[02:36:18.280 --> 02:36:24.520]  where I write this contract and because you need to enter into the contract
[02:36:24.520 --> 02:36:28.440]  for some secondary reason I get to enter in
[02:36:28.440 --> 02:36:34.120]  all sorts of provisions that you ordinarily would never consider
[02:36:34.120 --> 02:36:40.040]  and those provisions gain you nothing.
[02:36:40.040 --> 02:36:45.000]  In their provisions without consideration and it can be ruled an
[02:36:45.000 --> 02:36:50.440]  unconscionable contract. Right right okay I know you guys
[02:36:50.440 --> 02:36:54.440]  got chat coming up I just wanted to you know tell you that I enjoy a radio show
[02:36:54.440 --> 02:36:57.000]  and it was really nice to put a face with the
[02:36:57.000 --> 02:37:00.200]  with the show and I really appreciate what you've done and
[02:37:00.200 --> 02:37:03.960]  I can't tell you how much I've learned about the law. I actually one night
[02:37:03.960 --> 02:37:07.400]  was sort of inspired to think I might want to go back to school and study law
[02:37:07.400 --> 02:37:10.840]  for a little bit but now just listen to you guys show and I
[02:37:10.840 --> 02:37:14.040]  really appreciate it. Well thank you so much and it's great to
[02:37:14.040 --> 02:37:16.200]  meet our listeners too we really appreciate it.
[02:37:16.200 --> 02:37:19.720]  Which one were you in Stanton Hall were you the real ugly one?
[02:37:19.720 --> 02:37:23.480]  Yeah I was the real ugly one yeah that was me. How do you make things like that?
[02:37:23.480 --> 02:37:27.640]  Yeah yeah well you know it's genetic heritage I can't help it you know.
[02:37:27.640 --> 02:37:31.640]  Well I didn't know which one you were. Yeah yeah
[02:37:31.640 --> 02:37:35.000]  yeah I was the one with the big word on my nose.
[02:37:35.000 --> 02:37:38.840]  I missed that one. Are you the one that talked to me before we went on the air?
[02:37:38.840 --> 02:37:42.120]  No no I was the guy that was standing there in the black coat for a while
[02:37:42.120 --> 02:37:46.760]  and then uh and then left. Oh did you have the braid?
[02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:50.360]  No that's not me I had on a black coat with a nice looking suit and a
[02:37:50.360 --> 02:37:53.800]  pair of clean jeans. Okay yes I remember I know who you are now.
[02:37:53.800 --> 02:37:57.800]  Yes yeah but I do appreciate it I really have learned a lot from listening to
[02:37:57.800 --> 02:38:01.400]  you guys and I'm you know it actually I had sort of
[02:38:01.400 --> 02:38:04.760]  given up it just grew into the state of hating lawyers
[02:38:04.760 --> 02:38:09.400]  just just in general you know um sending lawyers monies and guns you know
[02:38:09.400 --> 02:38:13.160]  that's all just because and then actually you guys sort of
[02:38:13.160 --> 02:38:17.480]  inspired me to understand that you really can fight back and you
[02:38:17.480 --> 02:38:22.280]  really can beat them at their own game and I just I just want to tell you how
[02:38:22.280 --> 02:38:25.640]  much I appreciate it and what a service you guys are doing.
[02:38:25.640 --> 02:38:30.280]  Well I'm really glad to hear that because that's the reason we're here.
[02:38:30.280 --> 02:38:33.480]  Right I appreciate it. I can go out there and fight with them and
[02:38:33.480 --> 02:38:39.240]  I'll annoy a few people big deal but if I can get a lot of other
[02:38:39.240 --> 02:38:43.720]  people out there fighting with them we will change things.
[02:38:43.720 --> 02:38:46.840]  Absolutely you are the reason we're doing this showing.
[02:38:46.840 --> 02:38:49.880]  Thank you and and I can tell you that it actually
[02:38:49.880 --> 02:38:54.680]  really has helped me already in the short time I've been listening for a
[02:38:54.680 --> 02:38:57.160]  couple you know I guess a year now I guess
[02:38:57.160 --> 02:39:00.280]  close to a year not sure how long you guys have been on the air but I've been
[02:39:00.280 --> 02:39:05.480]  listening close to a year. Well it it has a way of sinking in
[02:39:05.480 --> 02:39:07.960]  once you know once you begin to kind of
[02:39:07.960 --> 02:39:11.800]  internalize it then when you see the police officer and he turns his lights
[02:39:11.800 --> 02:39:16.280]  on you're not quite so terrified. Last week
[02:39:16.280 --> 02:39:20.120]  when I got thrown in jail they kind of bunged me around but I'm
[02:39:20.120 --> 02:39:23.880]  thinking the whole time you guys are not going to believe what
[02:39:23.880 --> 02:39:27.880]  I'm fixing to do to you so it made it a lot easier to tolerate.
[02:39:27.880 --> 02:39:32.120]  Right right I can I can 100% relate to that.
[02:39:32.120 --> 02:39:35.480]  I've had a run-in with Williamson County
[02:39:35.480 --> 02:39:39.480]  and was particularly abused at their hands one night and
[02:39:39.480 --> 02:39:43.000]  I was charged with anything after two hours and they wrote me
[02:39:43.000 --> 02:39:47.720]  a citation for an expired inspection sticker. I was driving a friend of mine's
[02:39:47.720 --> 02:39:51.960]  truck and I ended up subpoenaing the tape
[02:39:51.960 --> 02:39:56.200]  and when it finally went to court guess what Williamson County lost the tape.
[02:39:56.200 --> 02:40:00.360]  I filed a thing with their public affairs officer
[02:40:00.360 --> 02:40:05.320]  and the judge was so incensed. The lady judge and I forget her name but
[02:40:05.320 --> 02:40:08.840]  she's in Williamson County when they said they lost the tape because
[02:40:08.840 --> 02:40:12.200]  I told the judge how they'd abused me on the side of the road for two hours
[02:40:12.200 --> 02:40:15.880]  and what they were trying to do was make me angry.
[02:40:15.880 --> 02:40:18.840]  That's really what they were trying to do they were yelling at me and
[02:40:18.840 --> 02:40:22.360]  and they were really being quite abusive and I kept turning to their
[02:40:22.360 --> 02:40:25.240]  to their camera in their car and talking to their camera saying
[02:40:25.240 --> 02:40:29.000]  why is he talking to me like this why is he being so abusive I don't understand
[02:40:29.000 --> 02:40:33.160]  why he's treating me this way and so anyway long story short after
[02:40:33.160 --> 02:40:37.160]  two hours on the side of the road I was so incensed the next day I filed a
[02:40:37.160 --> 02:40:41.080]  a complaint with public affairs I subpoenaed the tape when it finally went
[02:40:41.080 --> 02:40:44.920]  to court guess what they lost that tape you know why because that tape was
[02:40:44.920 --> 02:40:50.120]  not very good reflection of Williamson County
[02:40:50.120 --> 02:40:55.640]  and you know I mean that isn't that evidence how can they lose something like that
[02:40:56.680 --> 02:41:03.160]  the judge knew exactly how they lost it I suspect the same way the DPS is going to
[02:41:03.160 --> 02:41:07.880]  lose the video camera that the the dash cam
[02:41:07.880 --> 02:41:11.240]  in the car they took me to the police station in
[02:41:11.240 --> 02:41:17.080]  because I dictated a statement into it they're not doing as well Randy that's
[02:41:17.080 --> 02:41:20.600]  exactly what I was doing was asking the camera why were they
[02:41:20.600 --> 02:41:24.200]  abusing me why was he yelling at me why was he screaming to me
[02:41:24.200 --> 02:41:28.600]  I asked for a supervisor when the supervisor showed up I asked him I was
[02:41:28.600 --> 02:41:32.120]  whenever he would be abusive to me I would turn and talk to the camera and he
[02:41:32.120 --> 02:41:36.520]  didn't like that at all I'm sure they didn't this is why we do
[02:41:36.520 --> 02:41:40.600]  the show absolutely once you stung them like this you
[02:41:40.600 --> 02:41:43.480]  know they get stung a couple times that like that
[02:41:43.480 --> 02:41:46.440]  they're not going to get into these positions again
[02:41:46.440 --> 02:41:50.520]  especially when you when you learn how to take the next step
[02:41:50.520 --> 02:41:54.760]  well I what I did I filed an affair a complaint with public affairs and I
[02:41:54.760 --> 02:41:57.640]  subpoenaed the tape and I pleaded not guilty and asked
[02:41:57.640 --> 02:42:01.320]  for a judge trial because I wanted to talk to the judge
[02:42:01.320 --> 02:42:05.000]  well and I explained the situation with the judge before and when they said okay
[02:42:05.000 --> 02:42:07.800]  so let's see the date the prosecutor came up and whispered
[02:42:07.800 --> 02:42:11.080]  something to the judge and she says you lost the tape I can't believe you lost
[02:42:11.080 --> 02:42:13.800]  the tape she turned and looked at me and said
[02:42:13.800 --> 02:42:16.920]  Mr. Riser approached the bench and I walked up there and she says
[02:42:16.920 --> 02:42:21.400]  I'm going to have to uh hold this case because they can't provide the evidence
[02:42:21.400 --> 02:42:23.960]  that you subpoenaed that it's supposed to be evidence in a court of law
[02:42:23.960 --> 02:42:28.280]  and she called him aside and you could just tell she was chewing him out
[02:42:28.280 --> 02:42:32.680]  and um you know I I don't understand what they did to lose the tape other
[02:42:32.680 --> 02:42:36.520]  than the fact that they were really really out of control and abusive
[02:42:36.520 --> 02:42:40.680]  um you know and it had me shaking I was so upset
[02:42:40.680 --> 02:42:45.160]  you missed the most fun part one thing once you've been through the
[02:42:45.160 --> 02:42:49.000]  fun part the next time you won't be shaking
[02:42:49.000 --> 02:42:54.280]  they did the same thing to me last week tried to get me to into a
[02:42:54.280 --> 02:42:57.560]  confrontation with them I think that's what they were trying to
[02:42:57.560 --> 02:43:02.520]  do with me as well I just took out my cell phone dial 9-1-1
[02:43:02.520 --> 02:43:06.440]  one of the officers told me to throw away the cell phone it's only on them
[02:43:06.440 --> 02:43:10.120]  yeah I heard that where you were saying call 9-1-1 and telling that you have a
[02:43:10.120 --> 02:43:13.240]  cop there that's being abusive and you're afraid for your life could you
[02:43:13.240 --> 02:43:16.440]  please send another police officer because you're this woman is going to
[02:43:16.440 --> 02:43:22.520]  hurt you okay listen listen okay we're going to break
[02:43:22.520 --> 02:43:25.800]  we're going thank you so much for calling in we have
[02:43:25.800 --> 02:43:30.280]  Dominic from Texas Joshua from Oklahoma this is who I've met
[02:43:30.280 --> 02:43:32.920]  we're not gonna be able to take all your calls Catherine Albrecht should be
[02:43:32.920 --> 02:43:35.000]  joining us shortly right after the break so
[02:43:35.000 --> 02:43:38.760]  hopefully we'll have her on the line uh sitting right next to us when we get
[02:43:38.760 --> 02:43:41.400]  back meta I made some calls on your behalf
[02:43:41.400 --> 02:43:45.560]  all right we're going to break we'll be right back
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[02:45:22.120 --> 02:45:31.880]  all right we are back this is the pool of all
[02:45:31.880 --> 02:45:35.720]  randy texas i'm sorry randy kelton and depp and steven's we've got
[02:45:35.720 --> 02:45:39.960]  dominic from texas i want to see what dominic has to say
[02:45:39.960 --> 02:45:44.600]  if he's calling about the rfid so we can stay on topic i i know i'm meta i
[02:45:44.600 --> 02:45:47.320]  know you're calling in but meta we may not be able to get to you
[02:45:47.320 --> 02:45:49.320]  because i want to stay on topic about the rfid
[02:45:49.320 --> 02:45:52.680]  and catherine albert is probably going to be joining us in about
[02:45:52.680 --> 02:45:56.600]  less than two minutes okay dominic you there
[02:45:56.600 --> 02:46:02.600]  yes sir uh well i want to talk keep in mind i have my mike taser
[02:46:02.600 --> 02:46:07.960]  set yeah okay well it's basically about the same thing because
[02:46:07.960 --> 02:46:11.000]  you said because i'll listen to y'all what y'all were saying about
[02:46:11.000 --> 02:46:15.240]  subjects that you can bring to court correct uh randy you said we can only
[02:46:15.240 --> 02:46:18.360]  bring something to court if we've been harmed
[02:46:18.360 --> 02:46:22.120]  right we have to have standing that's standing right
[02:46:22.120 --> 02:46:25.880]  that's one way to get standing there are other ways to get standing
[02:46:25.880 --> 02:46:29.400]  but is that also that we cannot bring something to court
[02:46:29.400 --> 02:46:35.560]  and on something that could happen is that correct also
[02:46:35.960 --> 02:46:39.080]  the supreme court said you know everybody will be bringing us
[02:46:39.080 --> 02:46:43.000]  every kind of question they can about something they think they're not going
[02:46:43.000 --> 02:46:45.640]  to like and we won't be able to keep up with it so
[02:46:45.640 --> 02:46:49.320]  you can only bring it to me if you've been harmed okay listen listen dominic
[02:46:49.320 --> 02:46:51.800]  we're going to have to let you go because we got catherine here
[02:46:51.800 --> 02:46:55.320]  okay and she's better better looking than you are
[02:46:55.320 --> 02:47:00.600]  i'm sure she is all right y'all take care i'll call you friday
[02:47:00.600 --> 02:47:03.880]  so goodbye all right we got catherine albrecht here with us catherine can you
[02:47:03.880 --> 02:47:07.080]  hear i can hi there hello thank you for
[02:47:07.080 --> 02:47:10.360]  joining us well everybody who is in the listening
[02:47:10.360 --> 02:47:13.640]  audience is probably not in this event and you guys missed out because there
[02:47:13.640 --> 02:47:16.600]  were probably 300 people here it was mind-blowing they were they were like
[02:47:16.600 --> 02:47:20.120]  spilling into the aisles what an event and what a great group of
[02:47:20.120 --> 02:47:23.320]  people here yes i'm jealous the last time we did a
[02:47:23.320 --> 02:47:28.360]  seminar here we only got about 70 hey you know next time you do it though all
[02:47:28.360 --> 02:47:31.240]  these people are going to come back and bring three friends so then we're going
[02:47:31.240 --> 02:47:37.160]  to be bursting out down down the street that's the plan there you go excellent
[02:47:37.160 --> 02:47:41.400]  excellent so uh kevin how did you first get into
[02:47:41.400 --> 02:47:45.160]  fighting this rfid issue to begin with that's that's quite the
[02:47:45.160 --> 02:47:49.240]  question um back in 1999 i first got annoyed that there were
[02:47:49.240 --> 02:47:53.160]  giant databases being created of all of our grocery store purchases
[02:47:53.160 --> 02:47:57.720]  through the frequent shopper cards and i started an organization then called
[02:47:57.720 --> 02:48:01.400]  caspian consumers against supermarket privacy invasion and
[02:48:01.400 --> 02:48:05.320]  numbering and if you want to see what sort of my early work looks like you can
[02:48:05.320 --> 02:48:09.240]  go to no cards dot org where i put together an faq in a
[02:48:09.240 --> 02:48:12.520]  grocery list of virtually every store in the country and it's a
[02:48:12.520 --> 02:48:17.480]  gross it's grocery card or frequent shopper card or loyalty card status
[02:48:17.480 --> 02:48:21.160]  i did that for a couple of years and i was stunned at how many people shared my
[02:48:21.160 --> 02:48:24.360]  concerns and i started doing radio and was amazed
[02:48:24.360 --> 02:48:27.720]  when people said we want to talk to you and have you on the air and
[02:48:27.720 --> 02:48:31.480]  learn more about this so i started doing the media circuit i remember my first
[02:48:31.480 --> 02:48:35.400]  radio interview i was so nervous i made the host absolutely promise up and down
[02:48:35.400 --> 02:48:39.720]  that he would be really nice to me because i was so nervous doing radio
[02:48:39.720 --> 02:48:42.920]  now look at you is that funny that was 2000
[02:48:42.920 --> 02:48:48.040]  and from there i was doing research for the denver university law review
[02:48:48.040 --> 02:48:51.960]  and they had asked me to write a 14 page article i don't know why they said 14
[02:48:51.960 --> 02:48:54.840]  pages but uh on on shopper cards i misunderstood
[02:48:54.840 --> 02:48:59.480]  and thought they said 40 pages so i proceeded to spend like six months
[02:48:59.480 --> 02:49:02.680]  of my life doing all of this research into
[02:49:02.680 --> 02:49:07.480]  shopper cards and in the course of doing that research i came across a quote
[02:49:07.480 --> 02:49:11.400]  by a guy named john stermer who is the vice president for ac nielsen the market
[02:49:11.400 --> 02:49:14.680]  research company and this quote made the hair stand up
[02:49:14.680 --> 02:49:19.080]  on the back of my neck what i read was first there was the barcode
[02:49:19.080 --> 02:49:22.120]  which did a really good job of telling us what was being sold
[02:49:22.120 --> 02:49:25.640]  then along came the frequent shopper card and of course that's why i found the
[02:49:25.640 --> 02:49:27.800]  quote the frequent shopper card did a really
[02:49:27.800 --> 02:49:30.600]  good job of telling us who was buying each of those items
[02:49:30.600 --> 02:49:34.200]  but there's a there's a big gap in our knowledge what we don't know
[02:49:34.200 --> 02:49:38.200]  is where when and how people use the things that they buy
[02:49:38.200 --> 02:49:41.640]  and we want to know that and there's a technology on the horizon that's going
[02:49:41.640 --> 02:49:44.680]  to tell us that and give us a detailed intimate
[02:49:44.680 --> 02:49:47.080]  portrait of what people do with the things they buy
[02:49:47.080 --> 02:49:50.600]  and that technology was rfid so when i read that i said you're going to be
[02:49:50.600 --> 02:49:55.000]  kidding me we use the products we buy in our kitchens and in our bathrooms
[02:49:55.000 --> 02:49:58.600]  do you really mean that they're going to get into our homes and watch us use
[02:49:58.600 --> 02:50:02.520]  products and what i found was oh yeah absolutely i found out that they were
[02:50:02.520 --> 02:50:05.480]  doing that research at mit which was right down the street from harvard
[02:50:05.480 --> 02:50:07.640]  where i was working on my graduate studies
[02:50:07.640 --> 02:50:11.400]  i crashed a meeting and the very first meeting that i crashed
[02:50:11.400 --> 02:50:15.000]  there was a guy and i kid you not he said won't it be great when we'll know
[02:50:15.000 --> 02:50:19.400]  every time the consumer takes the lid off the toothpaste in their own bathroom
[02:50:19.400 --> 02:50:22.760]  and that was when i looked around and i realized nobody knew
[02:50:22.760 --> 02:50:26.840]  that this existed nobody these meetings were closed they were some of the
[02:50:26.840 --> 02:50:30.440]  biggest corporations on the globe this was procter and gamble this was wal-mart
[02:50:30.440 --> 02:50:34.920]  this was the defense department kimberly clark craft nestle you name
[02:50:34.920 --> 02:50:38.280]  it they were all on board kodak international paper
[02:50:38.280 --> 02:50:42.280]  every major corporation you can think of was part of this and yet nobody outside
[02:50:42.280 --> 02:50:45.880]  of that little clique of people getting together at mit had any
[02:50:45.880 --> 02:50:51.480]  clue that this was happening so it was in the fall of 2002 that i
[02:50:51.480 --> 02:50:54.760]  attended a meeting and this was the one i really crashed this was the full scale
[02:50:54.760 --> 02:50:58.040]  like 500 corporate executives from around the world getting together in one
[02:50:58.040 --> 02:51:01.880]  big conference center and in this big room
[02:51:01.880 --> 02:51:05.480]  that that i sort of made my way into quietly
[02:51:05.480 --> 02:51:08.600]  sat in the back with my with my notebook and my recording
[02:51:08.600 --> 02:51:12.920]  device i sat there while they made a couple of announcements one
[02:51:12.920 --> 02:51:16.520]  gelette announced that it was going to be purchasing a half a billion of these
[02:51:16.520 --> 02:51:19.080]  tags and putting them into consumer products
[02:51:19.080 --> 02:51:22.680]  the second announcement was the mind-blowing announcement that
[02:51:22.680 --> 02:51:25.880]  they were done developing this stuff that they perfected it and that they
[02:51:25.880 --> 02:51:29.240]  were going to turn it over to something called the uniform code council
[02:51:29.240 --> 02:51:33.160]  and the uniform code council is the barcode people so that announcement was
[02:51:33.160 --> 02:51:36.120]  now we're going to turn it over so that we can put one into every physical
[02:51:36.120 --> 02:51:40.040]  object with a barcode on earth so everything manufactured in every
[02:51:40.040 --> 02:51:43.400]  factory around the globe and then the third thing they did was the
[02:51:43.400 --> 02:51:47.160]  turning point for me in my life and that was when a woman named helen
[02:51:47.160 --> 02:51:51.400]  deuce who had done some research for this this consortium got up and she
[02:51:51.400 --> 02:51:53.720]  said well we i've got some good news and some bad news
[02:51:53.720 --> 02:51:57.560]  she said let me first give you the bad news we've gone all around the world
[02:51:57.560 --> 02:52:02.840]  and done surveys and market research among consumers in virtually every
[02:52:02.840 --> 02:52:05.320]  country and we've asked them we've described the
[02:52:05.320 --> 02:52:08.840]  technology told them you know that this is what we're going to be doing
[02:52:08.840 --> 02:52:12.200]  and asked what they thought and she said pretty much across the board
[02:52:12.200 --> 02:52:15.720]  people hate it about 78 percent of people and i doubt
[02:52:15.720 --> 02:52:18.760]  78 percent of people can agree on anything but they all agree that this
[02:52:18.760 --> 02:52:21.880]  was not a good idea and they said you know we don't trust
[02:52:21.880 --> 02:52:25.160]  corporations we don't trust government we don't trust you guys to use this
[02:52:25.160 --> 02:52:27.320]  responsibly if you put this out there it's going to be
[02:52:27.320 --> 02:52:29.480]  abused she said so there's the bad news people
[02:52:29.480 --> 02:52:31.880]  hate this technology and they're not going to accept it
[02:52:31.880 --> 02:52:36.280]  shit but now here's the good news we also found that those very same people
[02:52:36.280 --> 02:52:40.120]  felt apathetic and hopeless to do anything about it
[02:52:40.120 --> 02:52:44.200]  so the good news is that we can go ahead and go forward anyway because all the
[02:52:44.200 --> 02:52:47.160]  people out there will just sort of roll over and take it
[02:52:47.160 --> 02:52:51.000]  and then she said unless somebody comes along
[02:52:51.000 --> 02:52:55.160]  and stirs up the pot some activist or some consumer group comes along
[02:52:55.160 --> 02:52:59.080]  and wakes them up that would be us that would be us so i said
[02:52:59.080 --> 02:53:02.520]  i sat in the back of that room and i made a
[02:53:02.520 --> 02:53:07.960]  solemn vow as i sat in that room and i said you wanted honey here i am
[02:53:07.960 --> 02:53:11.320]  i went home that day and i was so freaked out
[02:53:11.320 --> 02:53:15.720]  by by the enormity of this vision that uh i remember
[02:53:15.720 --> 02:53:18.840]  you have these moments of paranoia sometimes when you do this work it's
[02:53:18.840 --> 02:53:21.240]  unavoidable because you see the scope and the scale
[02:53:21.240 --> 02:53:24.920]  and and just how enormous it is what they're doing and i remember coming
[02:53:24.920 --> 02:53:28.600]  home that day and said honey to my husband come outside with me
[02:53:28.600 --> 02:53:30.920]  because i want to talk to you it was one of those like
[02:53:30.920 --> 02:53:34.040]  this is a conversation i want to have like under open sky i don't even want to
[02:53:34.040 --> 02:53:38.200]  be near a phone line or anything and i we sat under a tree
[02:53:38.200 --> 02:53:41.800]  and i said to him this is what i've heard today and i want to take this on
[02:53:41.800 --> 02:53:43.880]  he said i'll back you up 100 percent of the way
[02:53:43.880 --> 02:53:47.560]  so that was 2002 and the rest uh kind of you know
[02:53:47.560 --> 02:53:51.640]  it evolved from there we we wrote spy chips in 2004
[02:53:51.640 --> 02:53:56.760]  in 2005 uh liz macintyre my incredibly talented and brilliant co-author
[02:53:56.760 --> 02:54:01.160]  and i went through 30 000 documents we got everything we got confidential
[02:54:01.160 --> 02:54:05.400]  documents we got uh you know marketing specs we got
[02:54:05.400 --> 02:54:09.320]  white papers we got everything you could ever think about on our fid
[02:54:09.320 --> 02:54:12.760]  we plowed through all of that got the big picture and then put it all in our
[02:54:12.760 --> 02:54:16.120]  book spy chips and that book as i was saying earlier
[02:54:16.120 --> 02:54:18.440]  tonight in the talk here at brave new books that
[02:54:18.440 --> 02:54:22.040]  my curse is is being five years ahead of my time
[02:54:22.040 --> 02:54:25.320]  because the book at that time really was not reflecting
[02:54:25.320 --> 02:54:28.760]  what was happening in reality yet it was reflecting a blueprint
[02:54:28.760 --> 02:54:31.880]  and that blueprint is now being enacted today so
[02:54:31.880 --> 02:54:35.000]  this is this is really the time that the book probably should be coming out and
[02:54:35.000 --> 02:54:38.520]  become a best seller because it's just as timely today as it was then
[02:54:38.520 --> 02:54:42.440]  i wouldn't change a word in it it is absolutely exactly what is happening
[02:54:42.440 --> 02:54:46.680]  today and it was um a perfect predictor of exactly how
[02:54:46.680 --> 02:54:52.040]  they're going to be using this stuff so just incredible what do you really see
[02:54:52.040 --> 02:54:57.640]  for the next spot well i think all of these technologies
[02:54:57.640 --> 02:55:01.000]  the the animal identification uh whether it's pets
[02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:05.400]  dogs and cats whether it is farm animals cows chickens horses and pigs
[02:55:05.400 --> 02:55:09.400]  the animal identification and the product identification
[02:55:09.400 --> 02:55:13.880]  is now converging so you see these two what what seem to be separate trends
[02:55:13.880 --> 02:55:17.720]  meeting in the middle that all of that tagging and tracking
[02:55:17.720 --> 02:55:21.080]  of of animals and products is converging
[02:55:21.080 --> 02:55:27.400]  with on the other hand a a goal of better identifying human beings and
[02:55:27.400 --> 02:55:30.440]  you're seeing the better identification of human beings being justified as
[02:55:30.440 --> 02:55:33.320]  immigration and justified in lots of different ways
[02:55:33.320 --> 02:55:37.080]  but uh i think what's going to happen is that these two things are going to meet
[02:55:37.080 --> 02:55:41.240]  in the middle and sitting smack dab in the middle of those two agendas are us
[02:55:41.240 --> 02:55:44.680]  human beings so i believe that within the next five to ten years that there
[02:55:44.680 --> 02:55:48.920]  will actually be an open call for the microchipping of humans oh my
[02:55:48.920 --> 02:55:54.280]  goodness yeah do you have any idea what excuse they're
[02:55:54.280 --> 02:55:58.120]  going to use to get us to swallow that well i think
[02:55:58.120 --> 02:56:00.440]  what they're what they're first going to do they can't do that
[02:56:00.440 --> 02:56:04.040]  until they get us all accustomed to requiring a scan
[02:56:04.040 --> 02:56:07.960]  of an identity document to do basic activities so that means things like
[02:56:07.960 --> 02:56:11.160]  buy food at the grocery store one of the things we talked about tonight
[02:56:11.160 --> 02:56:15.400]  in the talk was the food safety is going to be you're going to hear more
[02:56:15.400 --> 02:56:18.600]  and more and more about it until it's a deafening cry
[02:56:18.600 --> 02:56:23.400]  we need better food safety judith mcgury got up and was talking about food safety
[02:56:23.400 --> 02:56:24.920]  that one of the things they want to do is
[02:56:24.920 --> 02:56:29.000]  is is etch a barcode and of course it'll be an rfid tag but etch a barcode into
[02:56:29.000 --> 02:56:31.560]  every tomato so that they can track and trace it
[02:56:31.560 --> 02:56:35.720]  and they want you she was saying to actually remove the little stickers off
[02:56:35.720 --> 02:56:38.040]  of every tomato and every pepper that you eat
[02:56:38.040 --> 02:56:41.400]  and save them so that if you get a foodborne illness you can then pull them
[02:56:41.400 --> 02:56:43.400]  out on the little piece of paper where you've
[02:56:43.400 --> 02:56:45.960]  stuck them and show them here's what i ate in the last week
[02:56:45.960 --> 02:56:49.000]  well that's silly nobody's going to do that but what they can do
[02:56:49.000 --> 02:56:52.040]  since we've all stupidly been scanning frequent shopper cards at the grocery
[02:56:52.040 --> 02:56:54.440]  store and they've created the infrastructure which
[02:56:54.440 --> 02:56:57.800]  took actually a couple billion dollars to create that infrastructure worldwide
[02:56:57.800 --> 02:57:00.280]  those things are in jamaica those things are in bulgaria
[02:57:00.280 --> 02:57:03.240]  those things are in yemen those things are in every country in the globe right
[02:57:03.240 --> 02:57:05.720]  now so the infrastructure for total food
[02:57:05.720 --> 02:57:09.320]  tracking now exists thanks to the lowly frequent shopper card
[02:57:09.320 --> 02:57:13.880]  they have the ability now to to require that every morsel that you buy gets
[02:57:13.880 --> 02:57:17.000]  recorded in a database they have the ability then to make sure
[02:57:17.000 --> 02:57:20.520]  that every one of those morsels has an rfid tag that's remotely readable
[02:57:20.520 --> 02:57:23.640]  they're working on something called the smart grid right now which would
[02:57:23.640 --> 02:57:26.680]  enable them to link up your refrigerator so that your refrigerator
[02:57:26.680 --> 02:57:30.120]  not only receives electricity from the grid but actually sends out data
[02:57:30.120 --> 02:57:33.400]  about what you do with it and what's in it through the grid
[02:57:33.400 --> 02:57:37.640]  and ultimately so what's the justification it's going to be we need
[02:57:37.640 --> 02:57:40.920]  you to scan your food so that we can make sure it's safe and
[02:57:40.920 --> 02:57:43.080]  if there's a food outbreak we can track you
[02:57:43.080 --> 02:57:47.240]  and uh ultimately once everybody's used to scanning to get into a restaurant to
[02:57:47.240 --> 02:57:50.840]  buy food to start your car then at that point when people start
[02:57:50.840 --> 02:57:53.480]  committing crimes by stealing other people's id cards then they're going to
[02:57:53.480 --> 02:57:57.720]  say no we got it inside yeah where did it all end
[02:57:57.720 --> 02:58:00.840]  chip in your hands that's where it ends that's where it is
[02:58:00.840 --> 02:58:05.400]  yeah that's what it looks like to me that's the point where
[02:58:05.400 --> 02:58:08.920]  it really is going to get scary so that's the end of the road once they do
[02:58:08.920 --> 02:58:12.520]  that then it then it's over then game over yeah all right well
[02:58:12.520 --> 02:58:16.200]  listen we are we're at the end of the show we got about 30 seconds left any
[02:58:16.200 --> 02:58:19.720]  any final words catharine yeah please join us tomorrow in san marcos we
[02:58:19.720 --> 02:58:22.680]  absolutely need every single person within the sound of my voice to head to
[02:58:22.680 --> 02:58:25.160]  the san marcos city hall tomorrow at 6 p.m
[02:58:25.160 --> 02:58:28.680]  and join us to fight against mandatory microchipping because that's where our
[02:58:28.680 --> 02:58:31.320]  numbers are going to be known we're going to get national media coverage and
[02:58:31.320 --> 02:58:34.600]  we need people out there please tomorrow all right
[02:58:34.600 --> 02:58:37.800]  p.m all right thank you join us tomorrow 6 p.m
[02:58:37.800 --> 02:58:42.600]  city council all right we'll be back on thursday night this is the rule of law
[02:58:42.600 --> 02:58:58.600]  randy kelton's ever
[02:59:12.680 --> 02:59:16.600]  hmm
[02:59:16.600 --> 02:59:21.240]  Watch my eyes, I'm dangerous, I'm so dangerous
[02:59:21.240 --> 02:59:25.240]  I'm like a jumping razor, don't watch my eyes
[02:59:25.240 --> 02:59:28.240]  I'm dangerous, dangerous
[02:59:28.240 --> 02:59:35.240]  When you eat that ball, baby, treat me good
[02:59:35.240 --> 02:59:47.240]  It's a dream, let's move, you better treat me good