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[03:40.440 --> 04:07.440]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[04:07.440 --> 04:11.240]  What are you going to do when they come for you?
[04:11.240 --> 04:17.800]  When Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens come for you?
[04:17.800 --> 04:24.000]  It is Monday, the 16th, February 16th.
[04:24.000 --> 04:26.360]  We have a couple of guests for you tonight.
[04:26.360 --> 04:36.160]  We have Lisa Marie Copoletta from San Marcos, Texas, and also Lisa Wilson from Austin, Texas,
[04:36.160 --> 04:41.360]  who are joining us tonight to talk about a situation in San Marcos that we all need to
[04:41.360 --> 04:48.400]  rally around to give our aid as much as possible, having to do with forced RFID chipping of
[04:48.400 --> 04:49.400]  animals.
[04:49.400 --> 04:51.480]  All right, they're trying to do this in San Marcos.
[04:51.480 --> 04:52.960]  They're going to try to do it in Austin next.
[04:52.960 --> 04:54.640]  They're going to try to do it everywhere.
[04:54.640 --> 04:57.680]  Eventually, they want to do it to us.
[04:57.680 --> 05:02.120]  We are actually going to have Dr. Catherine Albrecht is going to be guest on our show
[05:02.120 --> 05:05.400]  on Friday evening at 8 p.m. Central Time.
[05:05.400 --> 05:12.600]  She's going to be coming to Austin and San Marcos to testify about the dangers of putting
[05:12.600 --> 05:17.560]  RFID in anyone's flesh, whether it be animal or human.
[05:17.560 --> 05:22.480]  Ladies, Lisa and Lisa, thank you for joining us tonight.
[05:22.480 --> 05:23.480]  Thank you for having us.
[05:23.480 --> 05:24.480]  We're honored.
[05:24.480 --> 05:25.480]  Wonderful.
[05:25.480 --> 05:33.800]  All right, Lisa Marie Copoletta is from San Marcos, and Lisa Wilson is here in Austin.
[05:33.800 --> 05:35.520]  She's going to be helping with the coordination.
[05:35.520 --> 05:41.800]  Lisa Copoletta, why don't you start off first?
[05:41.800 --> 05:47.200]  Why don't you say, why don't you let us know, just give us kind of an overview on what's
[05:47.200 --> 05:50.200]  going on down there in San Marcos?
[05:50.200 --> 05:56.280]  What is the deal with them trying to forcefully chip animals?
[05:56.280 --> 06:00.200]  Is this just pets or is this every animal?
[06:00.200 --> 06:01.600]  What's going to happen if somebody says no?
[06:01.600 --> 06:07.080]  Are they going to go door to door trying to make sure everyone brings their pet in?
[06:07.080 --> 06:08.800]  Give us an overview of what's going on.
[06:08.800 --> 06:12.480]  Well, we're trying to flesh out all those issues right now.
[06:12.480 --> 06:18.320]  The ordinance was passed back last year, and it was an animal cruelty ordinance, and embedded
[06:18.320 --> 06:23.240]  within that piece of the ordinance was the mandatory microchipping element.
[06:23.240 --> 06:28.160]  Essentially, if your dog gets picked up, it will be so far from what we've discovered
[06:28.160 --> 06:30.760]  at the meetings microchipped.
[06:30.760 --> 06:35.640]  Lots of issues have been raised by council members, as well as residents from the community,
[06:35.640 --> 06:40.440]  and we're currently waiting, at least at the last educational hearing that I attended,
[06:40.440 --> 06:44.840]  which was the one on Saturday, where I raised the question, we were waiting for legal, and
[06:44.840 --> 06:51.480]  then on Wednesday, when we had the follow-up, we discussed some other concerns that we had,
[06:51.480 --> 06:55.880]  primarily the fact that most of those pets that end up at the animal shelter are dumped,
[06:55.880 --> 06:58.440]  and it's not a necessity.
[06:58.440 --> 07:02.840]  The tags are sufficient in a small town, where people call over at the animal shelter, and
[07:02.840 --> 07:07.480]  you know your dog is probably over there, over at one of the vets, if it, per chance,
[07:07.480 --> 07:08.480]  gets loosed.
[07:08.480 --> 07:15.200]  So, there is a mandatory microchip element to it, and we're currently trying to get
[07:15.200 --> 07:20.440]  that amended through the ordinance, and we're working right now to get that resolved.
[07:20.440 --> 07:26.120]  And then, that is how the March 3rd protest kind of ties in, where we'll have some expert
[07:26.120 --> 07:31.960]  testimony, and we'll be able to kind of bring some of the expert research that's involved
[07:31.960 --> 07:36.720]  in this to the residents, as well as our policymakers in San Marcos.
[07:36.720 --> 07:37.720]  Hello?
[07:37.720 --> 07:38.720]  Yes, excellent.
[07:38.720 --> 07:39.720]  Excellent.
[07:39.720 --> 07:40.720]  That's wonderful.
[07:40.720 --> 07:46.600]  Yeah, because we have to do something about it, because I know that these chips cause
[07:46.600 --> 07:54.920]  cancer, and I've been trying to determine by what authority are they doing these things
[07:54.920 --> 07:55.920]  anyway.
[07:55.920 --> 08:01.160]  I mean, I don't, is this, is this a city ordinance that they've come up with, or is this just
[08:01.160 --> 08:04.880]  something that they, some policy that...
[08:04.880 --> 08:09.400]  You raise, yes, you raise an outstanding point, because a lot of us who are involved in animal
[08:09.400 --> 08:14.760]  cruelty measures were aghast when this came up, because it was never discussed by the
[08:14.760 --> 08:15.760]  policymakers.
[08:15.760 --> 08:20.400]  You know, we were all concerned about tethering and other issues for citizens from the ordinance,
[08:20.400 --> 08:24.720]  because there was so much debate and public outcry, and then a lot of us were shocked
[08:24.720 --> 08:29.600]  when it came out that, you know, our pets were going to be man-torn microchipped.
[08:29.600 --> 08:33.280]  And we have concerns, there are a myriad of concerns that residents have raised, and we've
[08:33.280 --> 08:35.400]  all informed ourselves on the issues.
[08:35.400 --> 08:39.680]  We did a lot of social networking online through Facebook, and so we garnered a lot of support
[08:39.680 --> 08:40.680]  that way.
[08:40.680 --> 08:44.640]  And I'll tell you, I agree with one of your earlier guests about people getting involved
[08:44.640 --> 08:49.040]  on the local level, and that's what's happened, because we're all now informing ourselves
[08:49.040 --> 08:54.240]  on other issues besides microchipping, but we're really concerned about the fact that
[08:54.240 --> 08:58.600]  personal responsibility is being legislated when most of us believe that those dogs that
[08:58.600 --> 09:04.160]  end up at the shelter being euthanized are dump dogs.
[09:04.160 --> 09:07.920]  With this economy, obviously, that statistic will significantly double, and if you look
[09:07.920 --> 09:12.880]  at the research online, no-kill shelters are turning away animals because of the economy
[09:12.880 --> 09:17.080]  and people are having to surrender their pets because of foreclosures, people are losing
[09:17.080 --> 09:21.480]  their rental property, and so, you know, a lot of us are saying, look, we need to be
[09:21.480 --> 09:28.000]  proactive on other levels and not mandate personal responsibility via the form of microchip.
[09:28.000 --> 09:29.000]  Exactly.
[09:29.000 --> 09:37.800]  Now, Lisa, I'm still not quite clear if this is something that the city council has done
[09:37.800 --> 09:44.920]  or is this the county commissioners, is this a county mandate or is this a city ordinance
[09:44.920 --> 09:50.560]  or is this just something that the bureaucracy of animals, the animal shelter bureaucracy
[09:50.560 --> 09:52.640]  has just decided to do this?
[09:52.640 --> 09:57.280]  Well, that's an excellent question that gets to the root of the problem, which is the county
[09:57.280 --> 10:02.840]  wide problem that the San Marcos Animal Shelter is picking up dogs county wide with the exception
[10:02.840 --> 10:03.840]  of one city.
[10:03.840 --> 10:09.160]  However, it's being mandated and legislated coming from the animal control board, part
[10:09.160 --> 10:14.280]  of the animal shelter board created the piece of the ordinance and then they gave it to
[10:14.280 --> 10:19.480]  the city council and after two readings, the city council passed it and there were elements
[10:19.480 --> 10:25.360]  in there for cruelty, however, the microchip element was not debated and some of the cruelty
[10:25.360 --> 10:31.200]  items were watered down, such as the fencing and just some other kind of issues that people
[10:31.200 --> 10:32.200]  were concerned with.
[10:32.200 --> 10:38.520]  So, yes, it's a county wide issue that dogs are getting picked up and euthanized at a
[10:38.520 --> 10:42.880]  city shelter and so that was one of the questions that we raised, is this going to be something
[10:42.880 --> 10:49.120]  that we're going to legislate now on a county level because it's a root problem on a county
[10:49.120 --> 10:54.840]  level of dogs being dumped, not necessarily people losing their dogs because our dogs
[10:54.840 --> 10:59.560]  were responsible pet owners, you know, we have tags on our dogs or we know, you know,
[10:59.560 --> 11:03.080]  because it's a small community, the shelter call our veterinarian.
[11:03.080 --> 11:08.680]  So something this, you know, ramping up this in this fashion, especially with no debate
[11:08.680 --> 11:11.560]  was what gave rise to concern and the arc...
[11:11.560 --> 11:13.560]  Lisa, are you there?
[11:13.560 --> 11:14.560]  Yes, ma'am.
[11:14.560 --> 11:15.560]  Can you hear me?
[11:15.560 --> 11:16.560]  Yeah, we can, yeah.
[11:16.560 --> 11:21.560]  Yeah, you just kind of cut out there for a second.
[11:21.560 --> 11:24.320]  Yes, I'm still here.
[11:24.320 --> 11:28.280]  Okay, so it sounds like they're really kind of mixing up the jurisdictions here.
[11:28.280 --> 11:30.800]  Randy, what do you have to say about this?
[11:30.800 --> 11:38.560]  Well, I was wondering, has this been done in other locations in Texas?
[11:38.560 --> 11:44.480]  I know a number of states has passed this statewide and there's a lot of resistance
[11:44.480 --> 11:49.680]  against it, but has it been done here in Texas to this point?
[11:49.680 --> 11:56.440]  I'm aware, I believe, then I'm still informing myself on the issues on various levels of
[11:56.440 --> 11:57.440]  different municipalities.
[11:57.440 --> 12:03.520]  I mean, I've heard about El Paso and enforcement failing miserably when people went door to
[12:03.520 --> 12:08.200]  door, but then I've researched some other cities with microchipping and so we're kind
[12:08.200 --> 12:12.640]  of garnering the research throughout the state of Texas, what the trends look like on multiple
[12:12.640 --> 12:20.000]  levels besides just domestic pets because I know there's been discussion on folks who
[12:20.000 --> 12:26.520]  are ranchers, but right now I'm focused in my community in how this affects our residents.
[12:26.520 --> 12:33.400]  So I really couldn't answer specifically intelligently your question, sir.
[12:33.400 --> 12:40.760]  I do think that it has, I believe El Paso may have passed the law and San Antonio either
[12:40.760 --> 12:45.840]  has passed the law or is about to pass the law to make it mandatory.
[12:45.840 --> 12:51.800]  So those are two places I know I'm aware of in Texas and there may be others.
[12:51.800 --> 12:56.880]  What is the argument for the CHIPS?
[12:56.880 --> 13:00.440]  The argument is that pets are reunited with their owners.
[13:00.440 --> 13:05.360]  That's primarily what I've heard come across from state-of-the-art hearing.
[13:05.360 --> 13:08.880]  And that's it?
[13:08.880 --> 13:11.400]  That's my perception.
[13:11.400 --> 13:21.480]  Are you aware of any research concerning the safety of the implants?
[13:21.480 --> 13:26.840]  We've all educated ourselves and that's why we're honored to have met Dr. Albrecht because
[13:26.840 --> 13:32.440]  it's provided us with the scientific literature where there's control groups and extensive
[13:32.440 --> 13:34.480]  research on this.
[13:34.480 --> 13:37.600]  Even the city staff were telling us in some of the educational hearings that they were
[13:37.600 --> 13:41.840]  using Google for their scientific research, which concerned a lot of residents because
[13:41.840 --> 13:44.680]  there was no discussion by the policymakers.
[13:44.680 --> 13:48.960]  And obviously when you want to make an informed decision, you know, it's paramount to have
[13:48.960 --> 13:56.880]  scientific literature as well as, you know, for example, what Charlie Brown, that recent
[13:56.880 --> 14:04.920] ... I mean, that's a wonderful piece of testimony of mandating microchipping in California where
[14:04.920 --> 14:10.120]  a couple was fearful of, you know, falling in jail for breaking the law so they took
[14:10.120 --> 14:15.840]  their pet in and as a result they lost the life of their loved pet, bleeding to death.
[14:15.840 --> 14:21.200]  And so I agree with you that it's paramount that we inform ourselves on the issues when,
[14:21.200 --> 14:25.960]  you know, pets are bleeding to death and the risk of cancer and so forth.
[14:25.960 --> 14:26.960]  Yeah.
[14:26.960 --> 14:33.360]  And Randy, there has been a lot of research done showing specifically that these RFID
[14:33.360 --> 14:36.280]  chips cause cancer in animals.
[14:36.280 --> 14:39.520]  I mean, it was mainstream, this was several months ago.
[14:39.520 --> 14:45.080]  I mean, not only... and when I say it causes cancer, it's not just like, well, cancer appeared
[14:45.080 --> 14:46.760]  in their body somewhere.
[14:46.760 --> 14:55.480]  The cancer tumor literally formed around the RFID implants, okay, in rats.
[14:55.480 --> 15:02.040]  I mean, there are no... RFID implants have not been around long enough for any significant
[15:02.040 --> 15:07.880]  long-term studies to have even been done yet, but what studies have been done show that
[15:07.880 --> 15:10.880]  they cause cancer and bleeding to death and hemorrhaging.
[15:10.880 --> 15:11.880]  Yes.
[15:11.880 --> 15:18.960]  That was a statistic I had heard that every single animal developed cancer and every one
[15:18.960 --> 15:21.440]  of them developed the cancer around the chip.
[15:21.440 --> 15:22.440]  Yeah.
[15:22.440 --> 15:27.560]  And there's also elements of, you know, human failure in terms of, you know, at certain
[15:27.560 --> 15:30.480]  locations failing to scan for the chip.
[15:30.480 --> 15:35.960]  I know there's been a lot of discussion about differentiations of different chips, and so
[15:35.960 --> 15:42.480]  the effectiveness of this can be debated from different perspectives, and that's basically
[15:42.480 --> 15:47.200]  what we're saying as residents in our community that, you know, we need to look at all aspects
[15:47.200 --> 15:53.320]  of this issue, the health aspects, the safety aspects, the personal aspects of maintaining
[15:53.320 --> 15:58.600]  your own property and take, you know... So I appreciate your comments, you know, with
[15:58.600 --> 15:59.600]  that regard.
[15:59.600 --> 16:08.440]  If you could show that the chips could be implanted safely, what other argument would
[16:08.440 --> 16:10.720]  you have against it?
[16:10.720 --> 16:13.680]  Well, obviously...
[16:13.680 --> 16:21.240]  I have the argument that there's still... We still don't know for 100% fact that they're
[16:21.240 --> 16:28.000]  safe, that they... There has not really been enough research and scientific studies to
[16:28.000 --> 16:31.400]  prove that they don't cause cancer.
[16:31.400 --> 16:37.440]  There hasn't been enough time past... There is no way to prove that they are safe.
[16:37.440 --> 16:39.800]  There's just no way to prove it.
[16:39.800 --> 16:45.760]  Decades would have to transpire in order for us to even guess that that could ever be a
[16:45.760 --> 16:52.040]  possibility besides the fact of just the tracking... Put a dog, a collar with a tag.
[16:52.040 --> 16:53.040]  That's good enough.
[16:53.040 --> 16:54.040]  We'll be right back.
[16:54.040 --> 16:55.040]  That's personal responsibility.
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[18:23.880 --> 18:26.320]  All right, we are back.
[18:26.320 --> 18:32.360]  This is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[18:32.360 --> 18:41.200]  We're here with Lisa Marie Copaletta and also Lisa Wilson, both here in Texas.
[18:41.200 --> 18:46.080]  Lisa Copaletta is in San Marcos and Lisa Wilson's here in Austin.
[18:46.080 --> 18:51.160]  We're doing something about forced microchipping of animals and yet, Randy, there are plenty
[18:51.160 --> 18:54.000]  of issues other than just health and safety.
[18:54.000 --> 18:57.680]  I mean, namely one, it's a pet.
[18:57.680 --> 19:01.320]  It's not a can of soup on the shelf, all right?
[19:01.320 --> 19:04.360]  I don't need an RFID chip in my pet.
[19:04.360 --> 19:09.560]  I don't need a barcode stamped on her little forehead, all right?
[19:09.560 --> 19:14.480]  This has to do with just like, how about just some basic respect of animals and humans for
[19:14.480 --> 19:17.720]  that matter, okay, and the tracking.
[19:17.720 --> 19:24.440]  And Lisa brought up an excellent point on the break about how somebody adopted a pet
[19:24.440 --> 19:28.960]  that had a chip in it, brought it to the vet and the vet scanned it and, well, this is
[19:28.960 --> 19:29.960]  in your pet.
[19:29.960 --> 19:30.960]  Okay, so then what are they going to do?
[19:30.960 --> 19:31.960]  Call the cops?
[19:31.960 --> 19:32.960]  Call animal shelter?
[19:32.960 --> 19:34.240]  I mean, people, this is ridiculous.
[19:34.240 --> 19:39.480]  We don't need to have tags implanted in our flesh and implanted in our animal's flesh.
[19:39.480 --> 19:42.000]  This is a no-brainer, okay?
[19:42.000 --> 19:43.000]  This is a no-brainer.
[19:43.000 --> 19:46.240]  I mean, I used to think it was bad enough, all right?
[19:46.240 --> 19:52.400]  I've told the listeners before about how my grandparents were ranchers and farmers, okay?
[19:52.400 --> 19:56.560]  I used to think it was bad enough that they'd pierce their ears and put, you know, the tag
[19:56.560 --> 19:58.880]  in their ear or branding.
[19:58.880 --> 20:02.120]  They didn't do branding, but, I mean, come on, it's bad enough.
[20:02.120 --> 20:07.080]  Branding or putting tags through the ears of these cattle, okay?
[20:07.080 --> 20:13.080]  No, they don't need to be surgically implanting any kind of foreign object inside the flesh
[20:13.080 --> 20:21.440]  of my pet or my cattle or anything else, okay, that can put a collar with a tag is good enough.
[20:21.440 --> 20:30.920]  Well, I just wanted to say years ago, I really bought into the idea of the microchip being
[20:30.920 --> 20:34.960]  the magic bullet for being able to locate your pet.
[20:34.960 --> 20:37.240]  And I did just what everyone did.
[20:37.240 --> 20:41.000]  I followed right along and I chipped my pet.
[20:41.000 --> 20:46.720]  And I will have no idea of knowing that I've, in less than two years, I've lost four pets
[20:46.720 --> 20:51.440]  to cancer and my dog currently has soft tissue sarcoma.
[20:51.440 --> 20:58.200]  She has about 18 tumors around her body and those chips have been known to migrate.
[20:58.200 --> 21:04.720]  I have no positive proof that the microchip, you know, caused it or if it could be, you
[21:04.720 --> 21:07.880]  know, all the over-vaccinating or the bad food.
[21:07.880 --> 21:14.200]  I've since changed everything, you know, with my pets except that removing the chips is
[21:14.200 --> 21:20.040]  a very, very difficult surgery process because they embed into the muscle tissue.
[21:20.040 --> 21:24.760]  And so it's not an easy thing to remove.
[21:24.760 --> 21:30.160]  Along with my research of doing pet rescues, there are so many animals that are being dropped
[21:30.160 --> 21:37.760]  off at shelters that have chips that are scanned and the original owner is no longer, they
[21:37.760 --> 21:44.160]  can't find the owner because the pet has either, the chip has not been re-registered if someone
[21:44.160 --> 21:50.440]  owned it or the people moved and failed to, you know, change their address.
[21:50.440 --> 21:56.800]  And not to mention, there are multiple chips being made so they're different companies
[21:56.800 --> 22:02.360]  and none of the chips are actually, can be read by the same scanner.
[22:02.360 --> 22:08.680]  So not every animal shelter is equipped with a scanner that might read that particular
[22:08.680 --> 22:13.400]  microchip and there have been animals that the chip didn't register and they were then
[22:13.400 --> 22:14.400]  euthanized.
[22:14.400 --> 22:21.240]  So there are a lot more problems and I think voluntary microchipping is a much better,
[22:21.240 --> 22:25.800]  you know, way to go about this than forced mandatory chipping.
[22:25.800 --> 22:28.320]  Yeah, you couldn't, Lisa, I totally agree.
[22:28.320 --> 22:33.200]  Time of choice is paramount and you couldn't, we couldn't agree with you more here in San
[22:33.200 --> 22:34.200]  Marcus.
[22:34.200 --> 22:40.080]  Well, this is my concern.
[22:40.080 --> 22:49.680]  They're doing, they're forcing us by legislation to microchip our pets so it's easier for us
[22:49.680 --> 22:51.800]  to find our pets if it gets lost.
[22:51.800 --> 22:52.920]  Give me a break.
[22:52.920 --> 22:53.920]  I got an easy way.
[22:53.920 --> 22:56.400]  I got a real easy way.
[22:56.400 --> 22:58.600]  This one goes out to Randy.
[22:58.600 --> 22:59.600]  Keep your dog on a leash.
[22:59.600 --> 23:01.080]  Keep your dog in your yard.
[23:01.080 --> 23:02.080]  It's real simple.
[23:02.080 --> 23:03.080]  Okay.
[23:03.080 --> 23:05.240]  And as far as cats go, cats will wander.
[23:05.240 --> 23:06.720]  You can't stop them.
[23:06.720 --> 23:12.080]  Some cats wander more than others and put a collar with a tag.
[23:12.080 --> 23:15.880]  I mean, personal responsibility, people, personal responsibility.
[23:15.880 --> 23:23.560]  We don't need the government to force us to put dangerous foreign objects into our
[23:23.560 --> 23:27.840]  pets so that we can be reunited with them in case they get lost.
[23:27.840 --> 23:29.320]  Give me a break.
[23:29.320 --> 23:30.800]  Give me a break.
[23:30.800 --> 23:38.840]  I never, in all the years that I had my pets microchipped, never in one moment did I ever
[23:38.840 --> 23:44.320]  have to use the chip because I have been such a responsible pet owner that I know every
[23:44.320 --> 23:47.920]  moment where my animals are, I keep them with me.
[23:47.920 --> 23:51.720]  I do not allow them to roam free in the street.
[23:51.720 --> 23:55.960]  I give them plenty of attention and if they're outside, they're outside with me in the backyard
[23:55.960 --> 24:03.120]  and I think it all boils down to responsible pet owners don't typically lose their pets
[24:03.120 --> 24:08.440]  and if they do, then I think it should be their choice of whether or not they want to
[24:08.440 --> 24:13.200]  microchip or not and if they do, then go for it.
[24:13.200 --> 24:17.920]  If you don't, you shouldn't be able to have that choice because I'm telling you to lose
[24:17.920 --> 24:24.760]  four pets in a time frame of two years and have a fifth one with cancer and my vet bills
[24:24.760 --> 24:26.800]  talk about expense.
[24:26.800 --> 24:29.280]  You want to talk about money and I have no idea.
[24:29.280 --> 24:35.800]  I can't say for 100% that that is what caused it but something is wrong in one family to
[24:35.800 --> 24:45.480]  lose that many animals and I'm a very dedicated owner and the rise of cancer in pets now,
[24:45.480 --> 24:54.320]  it is the number one killer of animals under the age of 10 and that is a serious, serious
[24:54.320 --> 24:55.320]  problem.
[24:55.320 --> 24:59.120]  There is something wrong and are they the canary in the coal mine?
[24:59.120 --> 25:05.520]  I mean, is it food, over-vaccinating, microchips, are the microchips, you know, I keep asking
[25:05.520 --> 25:09.800]  the question, these microchips are supposed to be set at a certain frequency.
[25:09.800 --> 25:16.840]  I believe it's between 125, 135 and I keep saying, is it possible that my Wi-Fi from
[25:16.840 --> 25:24.240]  my computer or the cordless phones, you know, they emit an electromagnetic field as well.
[25:24.240 --> 25:29.360]  Could that actually be activating those chips whenever they're around and maybe that's putting
[25:29.360 --> 25:30.360]  – I mean, I don't know.
[25:30.360 --> 25:35.400]  That's just questions that I start asking because I want to know why I've lost so many
[25:35.400 --> 25:41.600]  animals and I'm not wanting to stop rescue people or really become angry.
[25:41.600 --> 25:46.280]  They think that this is, you know, we're trying to force everybody not to save more
[25:46.280 --> 25:52.880]  animals but I'm saying, look at all the money that these microchip companies are making
[25:52.880 --> 25:59.400]  on forcing this chipping that could be used to make, you know, the millions that's going
[25:59.400 --> 26:04.400]  on could be used to help shelters have better facilities for finding the owners.
[26:04.400 --> 26:05.920]  Yeah, no kidding.
[26:05.920 --> 26:09.960]  Something seems amiss.
[26:09.960 --> 26:11.960]  I don't believe the hype.
[26:11.960 --> 26:12.960]  It's a no-brainer.
[26:12.960 --> 26:13.960]  Yeah, I don't believe the hype.
[26:13.960 --> 26:18.400]  No, it's a no-brainer and I really – I get frustrated because I guess I don't – I
[26:18.400 --> 26:25.680]  mean, I know I was that person years ago and I went for the chip and I regret it but I
[26:25.680 --> 26:32.200]  am a cancer survivor myself and I've had to really look at what I do, what my activities
[26:32.200 --> 26:37.960]  are, my food, what's going on in my world because the thing is we have a high incidence
[26:37.960 --> 26:39.520]  of cancer in people now.
[26:39.520 --> 26:42.560]  You would think it would be going down so what do we want to do?
[26:42.560 --> 26:47.000]  Start chipping everything and adding more, you know, more problems to our health issues
[26:47.000 --> 26:51.640]  for people too because that's where this is heading.
[26:51.640 --> 26:57.800]  It's getting the public used to the chip and the next thing you know, it's in your
[26:57.800 --> 27:03.040]  kid for their safety, then it's in you and it's got to stop.
[27:03.040 --> 27:09.400]  That was my concern all along that they're getting us accustomed to its presence.
[27:09.400 --> 27:10.400]  Absolutely.
[27:10.400 --> 27:11.400]  Yeah, conditioning.
[27:11.400 --> 27:16.000]  It's the conditioning and it's sold as the magic bullet.
[27:16.000 --> 27:20.400]  Well, if you've got the chip in, you never have to worry about your children getting
[27:20.400 --> 27:25.680]  lost and just like our cell phones, what would we do if we broke down on the side of the
[27:25.680 --> 27:29.440]  highway and we didn't have a cell phone?
[27:29.440 --> 27:31.720]  What people did for decades, okay?
[27:31.720 --> 27:32.720]  Absolutely.
[27:32.720 --> 27:35.800]  I mean, give me a break.
[27:35.800 --> 27:37.320]  I'm sorry, give me a break.
[27:37.320 --> 27:38.320]  Give me a break.
[27:38.320 --> 27:42.400]  I happen to have some very vivid memories of being broke down on the side of the highway
[27:42.400 --> 27:43.400]  with no cell phone.
[27:43.400 --> 27:44.400]  Yeah.
[27:44.400 --> 27:49.760]  I just want people, you know, I just think I want people to think, to question the authority,
[27:49.760 --> 27:59.520]  to think about our lives and our worlds and not go down a path that leads us into being
[27:59.520 --> 28:03.840]  completely prisoners of our whole country.
[28:03.840 --> 28:08.240]  Well, yeah, it's the helpless mentality.
[28:08.240 --> 28:11.360]  Oh, we need the government to take care of us.
[28:11.360 --> 28:16.440]  We need these RFID chips in our own flesh, in our animal's flesh.
[28:16.440 --> 28:18.400]  We need them everywhere and everything that we have.
[28:18.400 --> 28:22.480]  I mean, my God, we might lose a pair of shoes in our closet if we didn't have it.
[28:22.480 --> 28:28.120]  I mean, you know, it's like just the total helpless mentality that we need all of this
[28:28.120 --> 28:32.560]  technology or else we're going to perish and we need the government to take care of us
[28:32.560 --> 28:34.520]  or else we're going to perish.
[28:34.520 --> 28:39.120]  And it's just total conditioning and it's wrong and I'm not going to stand for it.
[28:39.120 --> 28:43.600]  I mean, I'll tell you what, I will never put a chip in my pretty little girl, my kitty
[28:43.600 --> 28:44.600]  cat.
[28:44.600 --> 28:45.600]  I'm looking at her right now.
[28:45.600 --> 28:48.280]  There ain't going to be no chips going in her ever.
[28:48.280 --> 28:49.280]  I promise you that.
[28:49.280 --> 28:50.280]  Yeah.
[28:50.280 --> 28:51.280]  Isn't that right, pretty girl?
[28:51.280 --> 28:52.280]  Yeah, she's meowing about.
[28:52.280 --> 28:56.960]  I don't want to ever do it again.
[28:56.960 --> 28:58.200]  I really want the choice.
[28:58.200 --> 29:03.920]  I don't want to do this to my pets again.
[29:03.920 --> 29:07.480]  My biggest concern is that it is about choice.
[29:07.480 --> 29:12.680]  If we don't maintain our right to make our own choices, we'll wind up with no choices
[29:12.680 --> 29:13.680]  to make.
[29:13.680 --> 29:19.640]  Absolutely, and if rescue groups, if they want to do that, I want them to have that
[29:19.640 --> 29:20.640]  choice.
[29:20.640 --> 29:23.120]  I mean, that should be their choice as well.
[29:23.120 --> 29:27.720]  So it isn't about trying to make them be forced to have no chips.
[29:27.720 --> 29:30.280]  It should be about our freedom to choose.
[29:30.280 --> 29:31.280]  All right.
[29:31.280 --> 29:33.080]  Well, listen, ladies, we're going to break.
[29:33.080 --> 29:35.280]  I just want to keep you all just for a couple of minutes on the other side.
[29:35.280 --> 29:37.600]  You all have been so gracious to spend so much time with us.
[29:37.600 --> 29:42.560]  I just want to promote the events that are coming up in San Marcos.
[29:42.560 --> 29:45.840]  We got to put a stop to this while we can.
[29:45.840 --> 29:46.840]  Thank you.
[29:46.840 --> 29:47.840]  All right.
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[32:15.000 --> 32:18.040]  Rule of law radio, ruleoflawradio.com.
[32:18.040 --> 32:23.480]  We have our own network now, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens.
[32:23.480 --> 32:29.440]  We're speaking now with Lisa Marie Copoletta and Lisa Wilson.
[32:29.440 --> 32:34.280]  Okay, so ladies, let's talk about coordinating here.
[32:34.280 --> 32:41.440]  Apparently, there is an event coming up the first week of March, and Catherine Albrecht
[32:41.440 --> 32:44.200]  will be coming for that.
[32:44.200 --> 32:49.680]  Can y'all please give out, there's a Facebook page and an email address for people in the
[32:49.680 --> 32:55.280]  San Marcos, San Antonio, Austin area, or from anywhere around if you'd like to come.
[32:55.280 --> 33:01.880]  Apparently, there's going to be a candlelight vigil for all the animals that have been killed
[33:01.880 --> 33:06.560]  or damaged as a result of these chips, and anyway, can you just give us a rundown on
[33:06.560 --> 33:10.920]  the events that are coming up and how people can get a hold of you guys to become a part
[33:10.920 --> 33:11.920]  of the movement?
[33:11.920 --> 33:18.600]  Okay, sure, we first, we have the Facebook page that we created when we originally found
[33:18.600 --> 33:25.200]  out about the microchipping, and that's SETI, C-E-T-I, on Facebook, and initially it was
[33:25.200 --> 33:29.520]  Citizens for Ear Tests and Identification, so don't be alarmed when you see that name.
[33:29.520 --> 33:35.120]  We were just trying to come up with an alternative to the mandatory element, but most of us agree
[33:35.120 --> 33:40.040]  the mandatory element is what's a priority for our issue, and then I'll just hand it
[33:40.040 --> 33:43.800]  over to Lisa for the email contact info for the event.
[33:43.800 --> 33:52.920]  Well, the event is going to be on Tuesday, March the 3rd, at the city council meeting
[33:52.920 --> 33:55.520]  in San Marcos.
[33:55.520 --> 34:01.080]  People are going to be meeting at the dog park that's across the street from the building
[34:01.080 --> 34:06.960]  where the city council is held at 6 o'clock, and they're going to have the candlelight
[34:06.960 --> 34:13.400]  vigil around 6.30, and then we go into the city council meeting at 7 p.m., and people
[34:13.400 --> 34:23.480]  can speak there about their reasons against the microchipping, which we need anybody that
[34:23.480 --> 34:29.400]  wants to get involved, we need people, we need to stop these mandatory laws that are
[34:29.400 --> 34:37.240]  being pushed on everyone, and if you'd like to write to me, you can write to NoPetChips
[34:37.240 --> 34:43.640]  at Hotmail.com, that's NoPetChips at Hotmail.com.
[34:43.640 --> 34:47.840]  Excellent, and give out that Facebook page again one more time?
[34:47.840 --> 34:55.640]  Absolutely, all capital letters, C-E-T-I, CETI, originally Citizens for Ear, Text, and
[34:55.640 --> 35:01.720]  Identification, but there's a whole description with all the research, and as much help as
[35:01.720 --> 35:05.800]  we can get through the discussion board, we would be most appreciative.
[35:05.800 --> 35:09.080]  Did you hear that?
[35:09.080 --> 35:10.080]  Yes.
[35:10.080 --> 35:12.480]  That was my girl, Selva.
[35:12.480 --> 35:14.520]  Selva, say hi, say hi.
[35:14.520 --> 35:15.520]  Come on.
[35:15.520 --> 35:16.520]  Come on.
[35:16.520 --> 35:17.520]  It's a no-chip kitty.
[35:17.520 --> 35:22.840]  Yes, she has no chip, she's so cute, yes.
[35:22.840 --> 35:27.080]  Okay, she is the no-chip kitty, yes, indeed.
[35:27.080 --> 35:34.200]  And this is, they are proposing in this ordinance, it is for all pets, it's like guinea pigs,
[35:34.200 --> 35:37.640]  rabbits, cats, and dogs, it's not just dogs.
[35:37.640 --> 35:42.400]  It's ridiculous, it's just absolutely preposterous, and they are trying to get us conditioned
[35:42.400 --> 35:46.200]  to it because they want us to do it ourselves eventually, they want to make it mandatory
[35:46.200 --> 35:48.040]  for all of us as well.
[35:48.040 --> 35:53.840]  Here, it's easy, it's for convenience, first they get people roped into it for convenience,
[35:53.840 --> 35:57.880]  and then they say you need it, and then they say you have to have it.
[35:57.880 --> 35:59.320]  Well put.
[35:59.320 --> 36:02.440]  That's exactly what's going on.
[36:02.440 --> 36:07.920]  Okay, well I am looking forward to being there, Lisa and Lisa.
[36:07.920 --> 36:08.920]  Thank you.
[36:08.920 --> 36:11.800]  Thank you for having us on your show, it was awesome.
[36:11.800 --> 36:12.800]  Absolutely.
[36:12.800 --> 36:13.800]  Thank you.
[36:13.800 --> 36:16.680]  Absolutely, and we're going to have Dr. Catherine Albrecht on Friday evening to talk some more
[36:16.680 --> 36:21.000]  about this, and both of you ladies are welcome to join us again Friday evening.
[36:21.000 --> 36:22.000]  Thank you.
[36:22.000 --> 36:23.000]  Thank you.
[36:23.000 --> 36:25.000]  It's one thing you need to know about being a radio star.
[36:25.000 --> 36:27.120]  Yes, I'm all ears.
[36:27.120 --> 36:29.120]  Nobody's going to recognize you.
[36:29.120 --> 36:35.960]  Is there anything else you would like to add before we let you ladies go?
[36:35.960 --> 36:42.480]  I've got a blog, L-O-M-C, the number four San Marcos at Blogspot.
[36:42.480 --> 36:43.480]  Okay, excellent.
[36:43.480 --> 36:44.480]  Okay, say that again.
[36:44.480 --> 36:45.480]  Yeah, go ahead.
[36:45.480 --> 36:53.120]  No, that's it, I just really appreciate you all covering our issue here in San Marcos,
[36:53.120 --> 36:57.440]  and I'd encourage everybody throughout Central Texas and the whole country to get involved
[36:57.440 --> 37:02.480]  because I agree with what's all been said here tonight, is that we really need to mobilize
[37:02.480 --> 37:07.360]  on a local issue, and definitely our pets are, you know, our family for me, I don't
[37:07.360 --> 37:14.080]  have any children, so my critters are my babies, so this is definitely an issue that's very
[37:14.080 --> 37:16.080]  near and dear to my heart.
[37:16.080 --> 37:19.160]  Say the blog again, Lisa.
[37:19.160 --> 37:20.160]  Pardon me?
[37:20.160 --> 37:21.640]  Say the blog again.
[37:21.640 --> 37:27.920]  Yes, it's L-M-C four, which is the number four San Marcos.
[37:27.920 --> 37:34.800]  My name's Lisa Marie Copoletta, so L-M-C, the number four San Marcos dot Blogspot dot
[37:34.800 --> 37:35.800]  com.
[37:35.800 --> 37:36.800]  All right.
[37:36.800 --> 37:37.800]  Excellent.
[37:37.800 --> 37:38.800]  Thank you, ladies.
[37:38.800 --> 37:39.800]  Thank you very much.
[37:39.800 --> 37:40.800]  Thank you so much.
[37:40.800 --> 37:41.800]  Okay.
[37:41.800 --> 37:42.800]  Goodbye.
[37:42.800 --> 37:43.800]  We'll be speaking with you some more on Friday.
[37:43.800 --> 37:44.800]  Thank you.
[37:44.800 --> 37:45.800]  All right.
[37:45.800 --> 37:46.800]  Thank you.
[37:46.800 --> 37:47.800]  Bye.
[37:47.800 --> 37:48.800]  Goodbye.
[37:48.800 --> 37:49.800]  Okay, we have Meta.
[37:49.800 --> 37:50.800]  All right.
[37:50.800 --> 37:51.800]  Meta from Texas.
[37:51.800 --> 37:56.520]  We're going to open up the phone lines now, 512-646-1984.
[37:56.520 --> 37:57.520]  Meta from Texas.
[37:57.520 --> 37:58.520]  Go ahead, Meta.
[37:58.520 --> 37:59.520]  What's on your mind tonight?
[37:59.520 --> 38:00.520]  I was going to talk about the animals.
[38:00.520 --> 38:01.520]  Yes, San Antonio is making it mandatory for microchipping.
[38:01.520 --> 38:02.520]  San Antonio also?
[38:02.520 --> 38:03.520]  Yes.
[38:03.520 --> 38:10.520]  And on the 3rd of February, Catherine Albrecht sent out an email alert to, you know, all her
[38:10.520 --> 38:11.520]  subscribers.
[38:11.520 --> 38:26.920]  Talking about her show that day, apparently this woman, six-month-old puppy, died after
[38:26.920 --> 38:27.920]  being microchipped.
[38:27.920 --> 38:32.560]  It also goes into talking about a cat that got paralyzed because a chip was planted in
[38:32.560 --> 38:33.560]  his brain stem.
[38:33.560 --> 38:34.560]  Another one's led to death.
[38:34.560 --> 38:35.560]  Cat.
[38:35.560 --> 38:38.560]  So I was going to tell you that.
[38:38.560 --> 38:46.480]  That one we passed on about Article 1, Section 17 and 18 talks about the property rights
[38:46.480 --> 38:52.200]  and how you cannot, our officials are not allowed to violate property rights.
[38:52.200 --> 38:59.680]  It's in violate, how you say it, in violate, meaning those, the rights in Section 1, they
[38:59.680 --> 39:03.920]  are not allowed to pass any laws that violate it, and that includes the property rights.
[39:03.920 --> 39:10.520]  So what I'm thinking is they're practicing medicine without a license, all these people
[39:10.520 --> 39:15.160]  coming in saying, well, we're going to have you microchip animals.
[39:15.160 --> 39:18.680]  Well, that's a good point.
[39:18.680 --> 39:24.760]  I was sitting here listening, trying to think of a way to go after that, and the property
[39:24.760 --> 39:32.880]  right issue is a good issue because the Constitution does say all of the rights in the Bill of
[39:32.880 --> 39:41.640]  Rights shall be held exempt from the legislature, shall be held in violate, in violate and exempt
[39:41.640 --> 39:43.240]  from the legislature.
[39:43.240 --> 39:44.240]  No one can change them.
[39:44.240 --> 39:49.840]  And, you know, Catherine Albright also had that article last year that came out talking
[39:49.840 --> 39:55.640]  about 1 to 10% of all animals that might, or microchips do come down with cancer is
[39:55.640 --> 40:01.600]  encrusted around that microchip, but if you've ever read her book, she talks about, have
[40:01.600 --> 40:07.200]  you driven down and see the cameras that are supposed to be taking pictures of people as
[40:07.200 --> 40:09.720]  they're driving through the light?
[40:09.720 --> 40:15.080]  They also have a little thing on the side that has little circles, that's microwaves,
[40:15.080 --> 40:20.480]  and they can turn and restore the computer chip in your car, you know, it's a safety
[40:20.480 --> 40:26.640]  thing to stop, you know, bad crooks, you know, that kind of stuff, but it also, she was showing
[40:26.640 --> 40:34.080]  in her book and on her page and stuff that of that same microwave can make that microchip
[40:34.080 --> 40:36.080]  burst into flames.
[40:36.080 --> 40:41.480]  Yeah, just stick it in a microwave, that's a good way to get rid of them.
[40:41.480 --> 40:43.840]  They have chips in money now.
[40:43.840 --> 40:45.800]  Oh, I know.
[40:45.800 --> 40:52.720]  You know, if you go to the airport, they want you to put your wallet in the tray.
[40:52.720 --> 40:55.280]  You know why they do that?
[40:55.280 --> 40:56.760]  Because of that?
[40:56.760 --> 40:57.760]  So they can count the money.
[40:57.760 --> 40:58.760]  They want to know how much money you have.
[40:58.760 --> 41:00.560]  Well, I got an easy way around that.
[41:00.560 --> 41:04.160]  Take your cash out of your wallet and put it in your pants.
[41:04.160 --> 41:05.440]  That's exactly what I did.
[41:05.440 --> 41:07.240]  I'll wrap it in tin foil.
[41:07.240 --> 41:08.240]  It's ridiculous.
[41:08.240 --> 41:16.680]  They have a site that has a new sheath that you put your passport and different things
[41:16.680 --> 41:20.480]  in, and I think it's on GCN Live, I've heard it.
[41:20.480 --> 41:25.200]  Oh, oh, GCN, that's an easy way to do it.
[41:25.200 --> 41:26.200]  It's a whole rival network.
[41:26.200 --> 41:29.800]  Well, not really, but all you have to do is wrap it.
[41:29.800 --> 41:31.360]  You don't even need expensive stuff like that.
[41:31.360 --> 41:33.080]  All you have to do is wrap it in tin foil.
[41:33.080 --> 41:35.200]  Yeah, tin foil, make a Faraday screen.
[41:35.200 --> 41:37.960]  But yeah, there's someone that's come out with that.
[41:37.960 --> 41:45.120]  I was talking to someone recently and a friend of his had developed a piece of equipment
[41:45.120 --> 41:55.440]  that they could read your credit card number off of a motel key in your pocket.
[41:55.440 --> 41:58.680]  They could also change it.
[41:58.680 --> 41:59.680]  I don't know if they could.
[41:59.680 --> 42:03.360]  I don't know if they could change it in your pocket, but you could walk past him.
[42:03.360 --> 42:07.960]  He could read your credit card, your driver's license, and your hotel key.
[42:07.960 --> 42:09.560]  Never give them back your hotel key.
[42:09.560 --> 42:11.840]  Only if it has RFID stuff in it.
[42:11.840 --> 42:15.400]  No, he could read the magnetic strip on the hotel key.
[42:15.400 --> 42:18.120]  Oh, from how far away?
[42:18.120 --> 42:19.120]  Don't know.
[42:19.120 --> 42:22.640]  But if it's not in my pocket, it's easy to get it within a foot of me.
[42:22.640 --> 42:23.640]  That's not a problem.
[42:23.640 --> 42:32.440]  I mean, if it's in my pocket, but RFD is even worse because it radiates.
[42:32.440 --> 42:37.040]  That was the advertisements we used to see where the guy's in a trench coat and he gets
[42:37.040 --> 42:41.920]  all kinds of stuff and sticks it under his trench coat and just walks out.
[42:41.920 --> 42:48.040]  That's what that was about, RFDs, so the system could read it and bill him and he never has
[42:48.040 --> 42:49.320]  to stop.
[42:49.320 --> 42:50.680]  They tried that.
[42:50.680 --> 42:54.680]  Katherine Albrecht was talking about how they had tried that in California and it was a
[42:54.680 --> 42:55.920]  major bust.
[42:55.920 --> 42:56.920]  Nobody wanted it.
[42:56.920 --> 43:01.880]  Of course, no one ever will.
[43:01.880 --> 43:05.160]  I mean, they're trying to force all of this stuff off on us.
[43:05.160 --> 43:08.120]  Yes, Metta, you want to hold on to the break?
[43:08.120 --> 43:10.360]  It looks like she dropped off the line.
[43:10.360 --> 43:11.360]  Okay.
[43:11.360 --> 43:12.800]  All right.
[43:12.800 --> 43:18.040]  We have a couple more calls on the line, but we are about to go to a break.
[43:18.040 --> 43:28.520]  Callers, if you'd like to call in 512-646-1984, we'll be back shortly, just on the other side.
[43:28.520 --> 43:34.320]  Please contact our guests at the email addresses and Facebook addresses that they gave out
[43:34.320 --> 43:41.400]  a little while ago so that you too can get involved with stopping the cruelty to animals.
[43:41.400 --> 43:59.040]  We'll be right back.
[43:59.040 --> 44:07.440]  Yes, Papa.
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[45:34.440 --> 46:03.440]  Music
[46:03.440 --> 46:09.440]  Tyranny, thema tear you, thema tear me, thema tear up the whole country.
[46:09.440 --> 46:15.440]  This is what we get. We ask the questions, and they don't have the answers.
[46:15.440 --> 46:19.440]  I wonder what they're hiding. They're oaths they're not abiding.
[46:19.440 --> 46:24.440]  We ask the questions. Look what we get.
[46:24.440 --> 46:28.440]  They do not have the answers. At least they won't tell us what the answers are, that's for sure.
[46:28.440 --> 46:35.440]  Okay, Deborah Stevens, Randy Kelton. This is the Rule of Law on Rule of Law Radio.
[46:35.440 --> 46:38.440]  I'm also with the Three Shoes Posse Band.
[46:38.440 --> 46:42.440]  Given the bad guys, Three Shoes, two on their feet, and one you-know-where.
[46:42.440 --> 46:48.440]  And of course, and I'm sorry I haven't plugged these guys for a while, the Jeff Davis show every Sunday evening.
[46:48.440 --> 46:52.440]  Channel 10, cable access 10, 10 p.m.
[46:52.440 --> 46:56.440]  Good friends of mine, hadn't seen them in a while, hadn't had time to do a TV show lately.
[46:56.440 --> 46:58.440]  I've been too busy with my own radio network.
[46:58.440 --> 47:01.440]  At any rate, we've got some callers on the line.
[47:01.440 --> 47:05.440]  It looks like we have Meta back, and then we're going to go to Mike.
[47:05.440 --> 47:08.440]  Meta, did you have anything else to add?
[47:08.440 --> 47:12.440]  No, this is when I finally handed off the phone.
[47:12.440 --> 47:13.440]  Okay, go ahead.
[47:13.440 --> 47:15.440]  It's freezing.
[47:15.440 --> 47:20.440]  Yeah, when we try to talk on this thing, we have to get outside, or the ones who don't have a reception.
[47:20.440 --> 47:29.440]  And even then, the reception's left, which thanks to our dear government at this point.
[47:29.440 --> 47:35.440]  The microchips, you can re-coat them and everything else on the fly.
[47:35.440 --> 47:38.440]  There's a lot of nasty stuff out on them.
[47:38.440 --> 47:42.440]  Captain Ulbricht has a lot of good stuff on it.
[47:42.440 --> 47:45.440]  Randy, I want to say thank you.
[47:45.440 --> 47:46.440]  For what?
[47:46.440 --> 47:47.440]  Can you hear me?
[47:47.440 --> 47:49.440]  Yeah, I can hear you.
[47:49.440 --> 47:51.440]  Thank you for that last email.
[47:51.440 --> 47:53.440]  Oh, okay.
[47:53.440 --> 48:00.440]  He's concerned about the Border Patrol, so we're going to kind of marshal the forces.
[48:00.440 --> 48:12.440]  I'm going to call him up, and I'm going to be the worst yellow journalist, pulp fiction person they've ever heard of.
[48:12.440 --> 48:19.440]  Go look at you guys. You like to go out and beat up on war veterans, huh, just because they can't fight back.
[48:19.440 --> 48:21.440]  Oh, this is going to make such a great story.
[48:21.440 --> 48:27.440]  You guys are going to make me famous, and we're going to work them over.
[48:27.440 --> 48:29.440]  I'm going to start with the guy that's giving him a problem.
[48:29.440 --> 48:36.440]  I'm going to walk my way up all the way to D.C., and I'm going to be chewing them all out and laughing and having a great time
[48:36.440 --> 48:40.440]  and telling them how famous you guys are going to make me with this great story.
[48:40.440 --> 48:42.440]  And I'll get Ken Magnuson in on it.
[48:42.440 --> 48:46.440]  He's worse than me.
[48:46.440 --> 48:48.440]  These guys want to play hardball.
[48:48.440 --> 48:49.440]  We're going to introduce them to hardball.
[48:49.440 --> 48:54.440]  Wait until I get a hold of your district attorney.
[48:54.440 --> 48:59.440]  I'm going to wind his clock for him.
[48:59.440 --> 49:01.440]  I think we've got a copy of all the paperwork.
[49:01.440 --> 49:03.440]  Yeah, I do.
[49:03.440 --> 49:07.440]  I accept the letter from the Border Patrol.
[49:07.440 --> 49:17.440]  We just got a letter from the Border Patrol threatening him to prosecute him because he won't let them on their property.
[49:17.440 --> 49:21.440]  So we're going to talk to him about that.
[49:21.440 --> 49:23.440]  I'll copy the letter.
[49:23.440 --> 49:24.440]  I'll fax it to you.
[49:24.440 --> 49:26.440]  There's no way I can scan it.
[49:26.440 --> 49:28.440]  Oh, okay.
[49:28.440 --> 49:30.440]  I'll come up with a fax number.
[49:30.440 --> 49:34.440]  Send me a fax number via email, and I'll get it to you.
[49:34.440 --> 49:36.440]  Okay, I'll get that to you.
[49:36.440 --> 49:40.440]  But we're going to have some phone fun tomorrow with these guys.
[49:40.440 --> 49:42.440]  I'm going to be...
[49:42.440 --> 49:44.440]  I'll send you my cell number.
[49:44.440 --> 49:46.440]  I'm going to be up in Fort Stockton.
[49:46.440 --> 49:49.440]  I'm going to go pick up some fence tomorrow.
[49:49.440 --> 49:52.440]  I've got a guy out here putting in a fence.
[49:52.440 --> 49:58.440]  Yesterday we pulled the first quarter mile of the front fence.
[49:58.440 --> 50:02.440]  I've got another mile of it to do.
[50:02.440 --> 50:07.440]  My fence line is only two and a half miles long, so...
[50:07.440 --> 50:11.440]  That's a pretty good size fence line.
[50:11.440 --> 50:22.440]  Well, Randy, I have a pie-shaped piece of property, and it's the widest south to north or north to south.
[50:22.440 --> 50:31.440]  It takes about 15 minutes for a healthy individual to walk fence to fence, and you can see both fences.
[50:31.440 --> 50:35.440]  So there's not much place to hide out there.
[50:35.440 --> 50:46.440]  Well, unless you want to get under some creosote or maybe behind a mesquite bush or something, it's a little difficult to hide.
[50:46.440 --> 50:55.440]  And from my place, it's the far west end of this, I can see the east end, which is a mile away, perfectly clear.
[50:55.440 --> 51:05.440]  And if I need to, I can get up on top of my water tower here. I've got a old windmill tower, about 40 feet tall.
[51:05.440 --> 51:12.440]  And believe me, my field of fire is perfectly clear.
[51:12.440 --> 51:23.440]  Well, that's a good piece of information that if these guys are trying to force their way onto your property,
[51:23.440 --> 51:33.440]  when they can see your entire property from the fence lot, that means this has nothing to do with looking for anyone on your property.
[51:33.440 --> 51:43.440]  Well, most times that they've tried to come on, well, the first time when they did come on and go fence, there was nobody here.
[51:43.440 --> 51:49.440]  The second time, there wasn't anybody here. They even admitted that.
[51:49.440 --> 51:58.440]  They weren't looking for people. Because last time what they were looking for is a backpack of drugs.
[51:58.440 --> 52:00.440]  One of their guys had probably lost it.
[52:00.440 --> 52:07.440]  Yeah, I was going to say that they dropped. Otherwise, how would they know where to look for it?
[52:07.440 --> 52:13.440]  Well, that was my question. I wanted a complete description of the folks that they were saying they were chasing.
[52:13.440 --> 52:20.440]  How many? How were they dressed? How many had backpacks? Or was it only one?
[52:20.440 --> 52:26.440]  How many of your backpacks did they drop? And how do you know it's got drugs in it?
[52:26.440 --> 52:33.440]  And then where else have you looked for this backpack? I'm 16 miles from the border.
[52:33.440 --> 52:37.440]  There's 16 miles between the Rio Grande and my place.
[52:37.440 --> 52:44.440]  Now, how many places have they looked besides my one little 192-acre plot of property?
[52:44.440 --> 52:47.440]  Yeah, but yours is easier to look on.
[52:47.440 --> 52:54.440]  It's like the guy looking under the streetlamp for his car keys that he lost down the block.
[52:54.440 --> 52:59.440]  Oh, I understand. And I cut them with their pants down.
[52:59.440 --> 53:06.440]  And this little old 115-pound one-handed cripple didn't stop them from coming on my property.
[53:06.440 --> 53:13.440]  My 17 dogs did.
[53:13.440 --> 53:14.440]  Good.
[53:14.440 --> 53:15.440]  Good for you.
[53:15.440 --> 53:19.440]  Well, those dogs, not one of them is chipped, by the way.
[53:19.440 --> 53:20.440]  Yeah, good for you.
[53:20.440 --> 53:29.440]  Are they likely to be? Part of that, I've been stocked and used to chip. He doesn't anymore.
[53:29.440 --> 53:30.440]  Too many problems.
[53:30.440 --> 53:31.440]  Good for him.
[53:31.440 --> 53:33.440]  Too many dead animals.
[53:33.440 --> 53:35.440]  Good for him. Good for him.
[53:35.440 --> 53:37.440]  Would he be willing to talk about that?
[53:37.440 --> 53:38.440]  Yeah.
[53:38.440 --> 53:39.440]  Oh, can you?
[53:39.440 --> 53:47.440]  Yeah, maybe we could get him, see if he can come on the show Friday and speak with Dr. Catherine Albrecht about this.
[53:47.440 --> 53:51.440]  I will ask. Metta's going to be, I'll be up in Stockton tomorrow.
[53:51.440 --> 53:57.440]  Metta will be up talking to Dr. Fish on Wednesday again.
[53:57.440 --> 54:03.440]  So, yeah, we'll approach him with it, see what he has to say.
[54:03.440 --> 54:10.440]  He probably already knows about Dr. Catherine Albrecht, if he knows about that. If not, it's easy to find out at spychips.com.
[54:10.440 --> 54:17.440]  Oh, believe me, we know Catherine, along with a few other people out there.
[54:17.440 --> 54:18.440]  Excellent.
[54:18.440 --> 54:20.440]  Michael. Michael knows me real well.
[54:20.440 --> 54:26.440]  Well, tell your vet she's going to be on our show on Friday, so if he'd like to come on, that would be a great time.
[54:26.440 --> 54:36.440]  Yeah, Michael Van Nerik called me about you today, and I won't hold it against you that you know, Mike.
[54:36.440 --> 54:38.440]  Thank you.
[54:38.440 --> 54:46.440]  Well, I know Deborah, too. She just doesn't remember it. The day you took a class from Michael on a Sunday there in Austin.
[54:46.440 --> 54:48.440]  Oh, yes, I remember you.
[54:48.440 --> 54:54.440]  There was this old fart that had a wheelchair. He parked upstairs because he couldn't get it down.
[54:54.440 --> 54:56.440]  Yeah, I remember you, yeah.
[54:56.440 --> 54:57.440]  That's me.
[54:57.440 --> 54:58.440]  All right.
[54:58.440 --> 55:02.440]  I've probably lost 15 pounds from then, though.
[55:02.440 --> 55:04.440]  Oh, goodness.
[55:04.440 --> 55:09.440]  Yeah, if I turn sideways and stick my tongue out, I look like a proverbial zipper.
[55:09.440 --> 55:12.440]  Okay.
[55:12.440 --> 55:19.440]  Well, tomorrow we're going to give the Border Patrol a ride.
[55:19.440 --> 55:22.440]  Well, as you know, Randy, it's not just them.
[55:22.440 --> 55:24.440]  Yes.
[55:24.440 --> 55:34.440]  But the guy here has been here 15 years. He's a member of the power brokers in this county.
[55:34.440 --> 55:45.440]  So when you only have 1,200 people that live in the county, and all the power brokers are concentrated in one little town,
[55:45.440 --> 55:55.440]  and it's in their own best interest to continue their own little power structure, things get nasty quick.
[55:55.440 --> 56:07.440]  And the guy putting up my fence, as an example, got blamed for a range fire out here last year that burned 50,000 acres.
[56:07.440 --> 56:11.440]  That was one ranch, not even.
[56:11.440 --> 56:16.440]  It cost him $5,000 fine. He didn't even get to plead.
[56:16.440 --> 56:25.440]  The county judge held court, found him guilty, fined him, and that was it.
[56:25.440 --> 56:34.440]  Now, this young gentleman has the same problem with the Border Patrol and the power structure that I have.
[56:34.440 --> 56:41.440]  Well, primarily your local Yocals are the ones that I will really bounce around.
[56:41.440 --> 56:46.440]  Those are the ones I'm most knowledgeable about.
[56:46.440 --> 56:56.440]  Your guy there, all I have to do is go to Washington, call Washington and start raising cane there, and everybody starts asking questions.
[56:56.440 --> 57:03.440]  And it'll come back to this guy, and he's going to be in trouble no matter what, just because the questions were asked.
[57:03.440 --> 57:08.440]  Let me put the sidebar in here real quick.
[57:08.440 --> 57:16.440]  Back on the CHIP thing, Article 1 of the Texas State Constitution has been violent.
[57:16.440 --> 57:20.440]  It cannot be changed, modified, or otherwise by the state legislature.
[57:20.440 --> 57:23.440]  It says so in it.
[57:23.440 --> 57:31.440]  And Section 17 and Section 19 deal with property and property rights.
[57:31.440 --> 57:36.440]  They cannot be taken away without due process.
[57:36.440 --> 57:48.440]  And where you get your loss of property rights is in somebody trying to pass local legislation under the local government code that violates property rights.
[57:48.440 --> 57:52.440]  So, you know, that's what I was thinking about earlier, is how to go after them.
[57:52.440 --> 57:55.440]  Oh, boy. You should call into Agenda 21 on Friday.
[57:55.440 --> 58:02.440]  That's exactly what they talk about, is local code enforcement violating property rights and violating Constitution.
[58:02.440 --> 58:05.440]  Look at promissory estoppel.
[58:05.440 --> 58:07.440]  That's it.
[58:07.440 --> 58:10.440]  All right. Well, listen, we're getting to the top of the hour.
[58:10.440 --> 58:13.440]  I would like to move on to some of our other callers, if that's okay.
[58:13.440 --> 58:18.440]  Oh, yes. I just want to say thank you ahead of time for everything.
[58:18.440 --> 58:21.440]  Okay. This fight's just getting started.
[58:21.440 --> 58:25.440]  Oh, I know.
[58:25.440 --> 58:27.440]  All right. Excellent.
[58:27.440 --> 58:29.440]  Until the skinny guy in a wheelchair sinks.
[58:29.440 --> 58:34.440]  Okay. On the other side of the break, thank you so much for calling in.
[58:34.440 --> 58:39.440]  All right. On the other side of the break, we will go to Mike from Texas. We've also got Travis from Minnesota, Dominic from Texas.
[58:39.440 --> 58:44.440]  We had Mack. Mack from Texas, call back in. We'll put you to the top of the line.
[58:44.440 --> 58:51.440]  This is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Debra Stephens on Rule of Law Radio. We'll be right back.
[59:14.440 --> 59:16.440]  We'll be right back.
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[01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:42.440]  Thank you.
[01:00:42.440 --> 01:01:10.440]  Thank you.
[01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:37.440]  Thank you.
[01:01:37.440 --> 01:02:04.440]  Thank you.
[01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:29.440]  Thank you.
[01:02:29.440 --> 01:02:36.440]  From Genesis to Revelation. Babylon, you are wrong.
[01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:45.440]  All right. I'm Debra Stephens. That's some Three Shoes Posse music for you, giving the bad guys two on their feet and one you know where.
[01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:54.440]  And we are now going to continue on to take calls. We've got Mike from Texas.
[01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.440]  Mike, thanks for holding. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:06.440]  Hi, Debra. Well, I was calling in to talk to Randy about the Collin County situation.
[01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:18.440]  But I definitely have to throw my at least five or six cents worth in on microchips because I've got quite a bit of experience in that.
[01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:20.440]  Please do.
[01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:37.440]  Well, as somebody that's personally injected well over 100 chips and knows a number of other people who have injected thousands in large livestock, they're not a problem.
[01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:46.440]  I'm not aware of any out of the ordinary instances of cancer in anything.
[01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:58.440]  I just raised ostrich an emu and every one of them had a chip in them and there was never any cancer problems or any other illnesses and they're very fragile birds.
[01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:05.440]  But as far as dogs and cats, that may be an entirely different subject now.
[01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:16.440]  I've got two dogs that are chipped, but I am a very responsible owner. But collars come off.
[01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:28.440]  And I totally agree that nobody should be forced to inject chips into any of their pets.
[01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:38.440]  And here's one of the places where I don't think the property rights argument is going to hold up because there's places like Berkeley and San Francisco and whatever
[01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:51.440]  that have declared that animals are not property and that the owner is not the owner, he is the guardian or caretaker.
[01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:58.440]  So they have been basically given their own civil rights, if you will.
[01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:08.440]  So that argument may not hold up on a property rights basis, but then that's going down another completely different road.
[01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:14.440]  But anyway, that wasn't what I was talking about, but I just had to throw that in anyway.
[01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:25.440]  That's an interesting point. I'll have to look at what the Texas Constitution says that we may have something in there that will give us a little more leverage.
[01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:34.440]  Well, as far as the Constitution, the Constitution in any state is a list of restrictions on the government.
[01:05:34.440 --> 01:05:47.440]  It's not in a list of rights for us. We have all the rights that we could possibly dream up unless it's specifically written in law that we can't do such and such.
[01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:54.440]  And if it doesn't say anything in Texas Constitution about animals not being property, well, then they're property.
[01:05:54.440 --> 01:06:07.440]  Especially in a state like this that's very ranch-oriented, farmland-oriented. I mean, Berkeley, California, especially it's real liberal out there, very leftist, left-wingist out there.
[01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:12.440]  So it doesn't surprise me that they would have some preposterous legislation like that on the books.
[01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:19.440]  But as far as like around here in Texas, I mean, people own their pets, people own their animals.
[01:06:19.440 --> 01:06:24.440]  Animals are property here for sure. I know because my family has been in the ranching business for generations.
[01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:34.440]  So is mine. And I agree with that. But that's just one of the things that's put in the door that is in California and it could be moving in this direction.
[01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:41.440]  And Austin, it's a beautiful place, but Austin ain't that far from behind California.
[01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:46.440]  So if my pet bites you, sue the pet.
[01:06:46.440 --> 01:06:54.440]  Yeah, I don't think that's going to go very far. I don't think that's going to go very far at all.
[01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:57.440]  Okay. What's going on with your court case?
[01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:07.440]  Okay. I had, well, in case everybody else doesn't know, I'll go through the quick synopsis.
[01:07:07.440 --> 01:07:18.440]  Ticket in McKinney for no seatbelt. Tag team cops, one walking down the median that said he saw me without it, but he didn't.
[01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:25.440]  It radios to another one who pulls me over and who admits, yes, you've got a seatbelt on, but the other one said you didn't.
[01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:33.440]  Goes to municipal court. The city prosecutor has no anti-bribery statement, no oath of office.
[01:07:33.440 --> 01:07:39.440]  Moved to the Smith. The judge denies my motion the day after I file it by mail.
[01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:44.440]  Just writes, deny it across it in a big magic marker and throws it in the mail back to me.
[01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:49.440]  Will not allow me to argue it in court.
[01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:58.440]  So kangaroo court there, which I told him that to his face and he didn't flinch, so I guess, you know, he didn't object to the truth.
[01:07:58.440 --> 01:08:07.440]  And repealed to county court. Judge there had no oath of office, which he filed later.
[01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:12.440]  But anyway, presented the same argument there.
[01:08:12.440 --> 01:08:21.440]  Judge found it very interesting, left the bench for 15 minutes to go research the law to figure out what he was going to do.
[01:08:21.440 --> 01:08:31.440]  Finally came back and said that he didn't have authority to rule that the municipal court never had original jurisdiction because they had a defective complaint.
[01:08:31.440 --> 01:08:43.440]  Because the complaint was signed by sworn out by the city prosecutor, not only as the complainant, but he was also prosecuting, which that's illegal.
[01:08:43.440 --> 01:08:49.440]  But again, he couldn't draw a complaint without any oath of office.
[01:08:49.440 --> 01:08:55.440]  He is specifically forbidden by statute to file the complaint.
[01:08:55.440 --> 01:09:00.440]  Which I brought that up to the judge in municipal court, too, and he ignored that, too.
[01:09:00.440 --> 01:09:09.440]  Anyway, and then again, I said, well, at county court, if the guy was even legal, well, he still can't do it.
[01:09:09.440 --> 01:09:12.440]  So they still had no original jurisdiction.
[01:09:12.440 --> 01:09:19.440]  And then finally, the judge said, you know, that's going to have to be discussed, decided at a court of appeals level.
[01:09:19.440 --> 01:09:27.440]  I have a complaint in front of me that meets the requisites and I see jurisdiction.
[01:09:27.440 --> 01:09:38.440]  So I have filed an appeal to Fifth District Court of Appeals and maybe in six months to a year it will come up there.
[01:09:38.440 --> 01:09:42.440]  If ever. Right.
[01:09:42.440 --> 01:09:54.440]  But I would still like to take care of the unfinished business there in Collin County of all of the people who are occupying their offices illegally.
[01:09:54.440 --> 01:09:58.440]  Well, I have been doing some research.
[01:09:58.440 --> 01:10:07.440]  And, you know, I've always been kind of concerned about all this hullabaloo over oaths of office.
[01:10:07.440 --> 01:10:11.440]  I've always wondered what is the problem?
[01:10:11.440 --> 01:10:18.440]  I mean, it's not like it's terribly difficult or expensive to raise your hand and yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah.
[01:10:18.440 --> 01:10:21.440]  It's not like it's a big deal.
[01:10:21.440 --> 01:10:28.440]  And as I study more, it becomes a lot bigger deal.
[01:10:28.440 --> 01:10:31.440]  That oath of office is a contract.
[01:10:31.440 --> 01:10:32.440]  Yes.
[01:10:32.440 --> 01:10:42.440]  It counters the judge into a contractual arrangement with the state of Texas for which you are a third party beneficiary.
[01:10:42.440 --> 01:10:58.440]  And being a third party beneficiary, the class of persons intended to benefit from the contract gives you standing to sue for breach of contract, promissory estoppel.
[01:10:58.440 --> 01:10:59.440]  Right.
[01:10:59.440 --> 01:11:07.440]  You countersue the judge in the criminal action for promissory estoppel.
[01:11:07.440 --> 01:11:23.440]  And he's stopped from sitting in the case because he repudiated his contract when he refused to rule on points of law.
[01:11:23.440 --> 01:11:35.440]  If you file a motion and he doesn't rule on all the points that are in the motion, then he's repudiated his contract.
[01:11:35.440 --> 01:11:53.440]  If he applies a legal standard that's different from the standard handed down by the appeals court, he's violated a ministerial duty and repudiated the contract.
[01:11:53.440 --> 01:11:59.440]  So if you go through the causes of action, there is all kind of stuff you can go after him for.
[01:11:59.440 --> 01:12:00.440]  Okay.
[01:12:00.440 --> 01:12:10.440]  Once he has official immunity from all the decisions he makes that are of a judicial nature.
[01:12:10.440 --> 01:12:11.440]  Right.
[01:12:11.440 --> 01:12:21.440]  But even in making the judicial determinations, he has a ministerial duty, one of which, read the document.
[01:12:21.440 --> 01:12:30.440]  The other one is to apply the law as it's handed down to him to the facts in the case.
[01:12:30.440 --> 01:12:36.440]  If he fails to do that, he violates a ministerial duty.
[01:12:36.440 --> 01:12:37.440]  Right.
[01:12:37.440 --> 01:12:39.440]  No immunity.
[01:12:39.440 --> 01:12:40.440]  Yep.
[01:12:40.440 --> 01:12:41.440]  So we get to...
[01:12:41.440 --> 01:12:47.440]  So this is the area that I've never ventured into before.
[01:12:47.440 --> 01:12:49.440]  How do I move forward in that way?
[01:12:49.440 --> 01:12:54.440]  Do you have a book on causes of action?
[01:12:54.440 --> 01:12:58.440]  No, but I did just get jurisdiction area the other day.
[01:12:58.440 --> 01:12:59.440]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:01.440]  That will be a great start.
[01:13:01.440 --> 01:13:02.440]  Okay.
[01:13:02.440 --> 01:13:09.440]  You might call around to some law firms and say, hey, you guys got any old O'Conners that you're not using?
[01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:12.440]  They generally replace all of them every year.
[01:13:12.440 --> 01:13:17.440]  I had someone in Amarillo who was homeschooling her children, and she asked me where I could get the books.
[01:13:17.440 --> 01:13:21.440]  She could get books, and I suggested she called some attorneys.
[01:13:21.440 --> 01:13:24.440]  The third one she called gave her a complete set.
[01:13:24.440 --> 01:13:25.440]  Okay.
[01:13:25.440 --> 01:13:28.440]  She's got a better set than mine.
[01:13:28.440 --> 01:13:29.440]  Okay.
[01:13:29.440 --> 01:13:30.440]  But they replace them.
[01:13:30.440 --> 01:13:32.440]  They need the latest ones.
[01:13:32.440 --> 01:13:34.440]  We don't.
[01:13:34.440 --> 01:13:36.440]  So they replace them every year.
[01:13:36.440 --> 01:13:37.440]  Yeah.
[01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:39.440]  So there's a lot of them laying around.
[01:13:39.440 --> 01:13:40.440]  Okay.
[01:13:40.440 --> 01:13:43.440]  But causes of action, man, it is great.
[01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:48.440]  You go through these causes of action, there are all kinds of things you could file against this judge.
[01:13:48.440 --> 01:14:03.440]  And what I'm looking toward doing is setting up the judges to make ministerial or administrative decisions for those you can sue them.
[01:14:03.440 --> 01:14:04.440]  Okay.
[01:14:04.440 --> 01:14:09.440]  We're working out a procedure to set up the defense attorney so that the defense attorney,
[01:14:09.440 --> 01:14:15.440]  after you filed about 20 bar grievances against him, is going to run to the judge and has to be removed from the case.
[01:14:15.440 --> 01:14:19.440]  And you run to the judge and tell him, don't you dare remove him from that case.
[01:14:19.440 --> 01:14:20.440]  He's my attorney.
[01:14:20.440 --> 01:14:24.440]  We're under private contract, and you have no business interfering with it.
[01:14:24.440 --> 01:14:36.440]  He's going to remove him anyway, and that's an administrative decision for which you can sue him for interfering with private contracts.
[01:14:36.440 --> 01:14:39.440]  And there's a lot more.
[01:14:39.440 --> 01:14:41.440]  You got a ticket.
[01:14:41.440 --> 01:14:46.440]  What did the ticket say about when to appear?
[01:14:46.440 --> 01:14:49.440]  I'm sorry, say it again.
[01:14:49.440 --> 01:14:52.440]  About when to appear.
[01:14:52.440 --> 01:14:55.440]  It said, hang on, let me pull it right out here.
[01:14:55.440 --> 01:15:00.440]  I've got it in my stack of stuff.
[01:15:00.440 --> 01:15:08.440]  It says, honor before.
[01:15:08.440 --> 01:15:09.440]  Got him.
[01:15:09.440 --> 01:15:10.440]  Yeah.
[01:15:10.440 --> 01:15:15.440]  542-543-006.
[01:15:15.440 --> 01:15:17.440]  File criminal charges against the officers.
[01:15:17.440 --> 01:15:20.440]  There's another thing here.
[01:15:20.440 --> 01:15:29.440]  While the officer who wrote the ticket can write the ticket, he can't testify in court.
[01:15:29.440 --> 01:15:36.440]  Was the officer who supposedly saw you without the seat belt in court?
[01:15:36.440 --> 01:15:37.440]  Yes.
[01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:41.440]  Ah, darn.
[01:15:41.440 --> 01:15:42.440]  They covered that base.
[01:15:42.440 --> 01:15:43.440]  They covered that base.
[01:15:43.440 --> 01:15:44.440]  Darn.
[01:15:44.440 --> 01:15:47.440]  It ruined all our fun.
[01:15:47.440 --> 01:15:48.440]  Okay.
[01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:50.440]  Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:15:50.440 --> 01:15:51.440]  Hold on.
[01:15:51.440 --> 01:15:53.440]  We missed something.
[01:15:53.440 --> 01:15:56.440]  Who stopped you?
[01:15:56.440 --> 01:15:59.440]  Officer number two.
[01:15:59.440 --> 01:16:02.440]  What does...
[01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:07.440]  Who admitted on the stand that I was wearing the seat belt when she stopped me.
[01:16:07.440 --> 01:16:14.440]  What does the statute say about when an officer can arrest you?
[01:16:14.440 --> 01:16:20.440]  I think it's 1406.
[01:16:20.440 --> 01:16:23.440]  Without a warrant first being issued.
[01:16:23.440 --> 01:16:27.440]  Must see a breach of the peace.
[01:16:27.440 --> 01:16:36.440]  Must personally see or hear or be told by someone he trusts that you just committed a felony and you're about to escape.
[01:16:36.440 --> 01:16:38.440]  Okay, listen, we're going to break.
[01:16:38.440 --> 01:16:40.440]  Mike, you're welcome to hold on to the other side.
[01:16:40.440 --> 01:16:42.440]  We also have some other callers on the line.
[01:16:42.440 --> 01:16:45.440]  We've got a new caller, V, from South Dakota.
[01:16:45.440 --> 01:16:49.440]  He may be listening on Liberty 1640 AM, so I'd like to get to V next.
[01:16:49.440 --> 01:16:50.440]  Okay.
[01:16:50.440 --> 01:16:58.440]  All right, callers, we'll be right back.
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[01:18:14.440 --> 01:18:27.440]  Well, this one is dedicated to the girl named Julie. She's well-gooled. Some say she's cool. But Julie's no fool.
[01:18:27.440 --> 01:18:35.440]  She wants money when it comes to romance. And I'm not better than her. Okay?
[01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:46.440]  Julie, she's well-gooled. She says she doesn't want no man who's fool. Because Julie, man, she's well-gooled. She says she's the only one who has a helicopter on her feet.
[01:18:46.440 --> 01:18:54.440]  Because the man needs to drink the money, take the money in U.S. currency, bring it to the city, give it to Julie.
[01:18:54.440 --> 01:19:02.440]  Julie says she loves to always sleep. So she's the only one with U.S. currency. But now the economy is getting badly.
[01:19:02.440 --> 01:19:13.440]  While she's losing on autonomy, Julie says she's the only one in the round city. Because Julie, man, she's well-gooled. She says she's the only one with U.S. currency.
[01:19:13.440 --> 01:19:24.440]  Because Julie, man, she's well-gooled. She says she's the only one with a helicopter on her feet. But now the man needs to drink the money, so that the man works for the woman, you see.
[01:19:24.440 --> 01:19:32.440]  So that the man works for the woman, you see. And when you come to drink it, now you know me. You better call me.
[01:19:32.440 --> 01:19:41.440]  All right, Julie, she only wants helicopter Bernanke. All right, we are speaking with Mike in Texas, and then we're going to go to Vee in South Dakota.
[01:19:41.440 --> 01:19:47.440]  Okay, Randy, you wanted to finish up on a point with Mike, and then we're going to go to Vee, new caller.
[01:19:47.440 --> 01:19:59.440]  The police forever have been trying to get a good, efficient speed trap down. That's where you got one guy with the gun shooting, another guy pulling over, and another guy writing.
[01:19:59.440 --> 01:20:00.440]  Right.
[01:20:00.440 --> 01:20:15.440]  The courts have consistently shot that down because the statute is clear. The only one who can do the arrest, and it is an arrest, is the person who personally sees or hears.
[01:20:15.440 --> 01:20:20.440]  The guy who pulls the trigger is the guy who has to pull you over.
[01:20:20.440 --> 01:20:23.440]  And what is that statute, because I couldn't find that.
[01:20:23.440 --> 01:20:28.440]  1406 Code of Criminal Penal Code. No, no, no, Code of Criminal Procedure.
[01:20:28.440 --> 01:20:29.440]  Okay.
[01:20:29.440 --> 01:20:37.440]  An officer may arrest you without a warrant if he personally sees or hears the offense being committed.
[01:20:37.440 --> 01:20:38.440]  Right.
[01:20:38.440 --> 01:20:58.440]  If a magistrate orders the arrest, and the only time a magistrate can order an arrest without a warrant is if he personally sees or hears, or if someone that the officer trusts and believes tells him that a third party has just committed a felony and is in danger of escape.
[01:20:58.440 --> 01:21:02.440]  Those are the only three things he can arrest for without a warrant.
[01:21:02.440 --> 01:21:03.440]  Okay.
[01:21:03.440 --> 01:21:05.440]  This fits none of them.
[01:21:05.440 --> 01:21:06.440]  Yes.
[01:21:06.440 --> 01:21:13.440]  Now you get false imprisonment against the officer, kidnapping against them, the whole enchilada.
[01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:15.440]  Yes.
[01:21:15.440 --> 01:21:20.440]  We got a big stack, and I'm building on them with the causes of action.
[01:21:20.440 --> 01:21:22.440]  These things, this is wonderful.
[01:21:22.440 --> 01:21:28.440]  You read the causes of action because of the way they're framed.
[01:21:28.440 --> 01:21:33.440]  You'll have the cause, and then each cause has certain elements.
[01:21:33.440 --> 01:21:47.440]  And then the connoisseur is annotated, and you have the annotations, and then for each cause of action, each element, it has court cases for different permutations of it.
[01:21:47.440 --> 01:21:56.440]  Once you've been through that, you really understand the elements of, say, false imprisonment.
[01:21:56.440 --> 01:21:57.440]  Yeah.
[01:21:57.440 --> 01:22:03.440]  And they transfer perfectly to the criminal accusation.
[01:22:03.440 --> 01:22:12.440]  If you write a criminal accusation in the structure of a cause of action, you will nail him proper.
[01:22:12.440 --> 01:22:16.440]  And we've got the rest was illegal.
[01:22:16.440 --> 01:22:22.440]  The citation he wrote was in violation of law, and it goes downhill from there.
[01:22:22.440 --> 01:22:23.440]  Great.
[01:22:23.440 --> 01:22:24.440]  Okay.
[01:22:24.440 --> 01:22:25.440]  Let's go to V from South Dakota.
[01:22:25.440 --> 01:22:26.440]  All right.
[01:22:26.440 --> 01:22:27.440]  Hang in.
[01:22:27.440 --> 01:22:28.440]  All right.
[01:22:28.440 --> 01:22:29.440]  Thanks, Mike.
[01:22:29.440 --> 01:22:30.440]  Yeah.
[01:22:30.440 --> 01:22:31.440]  Okay.
[01:22:31.440 --> 01:22:33.440]  I'll be emailing you on a few other things on this, Randy.
[01:22:33.440 --> 01:22:34.440]  Thanks a lot.
[01:22:34.440 --> 01:22:35.440]  Okay.
[01:22:35.440 --> 01:22:36.440]  All right.
[01:22:36.440 --> 01:22:41.440]  We're going to go now to V in South Dakota.
[01:22:41.440 --> 01:22:45.440]  Hey, V, are you listening on Liberty 1640 a.m.?
[01:22:45.440 --> 01:22:47.440]  I am listening on Liberty 1640.
[01:22:47.440 --> 01:22:49.440]  All right.
[01:22:49.440 --> 01:22:50.440]  Yeah.
[01:22:50.440 --> 01:22:51.440]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:22:51.440 --> 01:22:52.440]  Yeah, we have that.
[01:22:52.440 --> 01:22:53.440]  I'm so glad we have that here.
[01:22:53.440 --> 01:22:57.440]  Well, my question is actually about the right to travel.
[01:22:57.440 --> 01:22:58.440]  You got it.
[01:22:58.440 --> 01:22:59.440]  Right to travel.
[01:22:59.440 --> 01:23:00.440]  Go ahead.
[01:23:00.440 --> 01:23:03.440]  You've got the right to travel.
[01:23:03.440 --> 01:23:04.440]  With our driver's license.
[01:23:04.440 --> 01:23:05.440]  Right.
[01:23:05.440 --> 01:23:06.440]  You do.
[01:23:06.440 --> 01:23:11.440]  But if you try to exercise it, they're going to beat you up.
[01:23:11.440 --> 01:23:12.440]  Yeah.
[01:23:12.440 --> 01:23:14.440]  We've got a guy in Missouri that's in jail right now.
[01:23:14.440 --> 01:23:18.440]  He's got 10 years in prison for fighting that issue.
[01:23:18.440 --> 01:23:19.440]  Really?
[01:23:19.440 --> 01:23:20.440]  Yes.
[01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:23.440]  And apparently in Missouri, if you drive without a license,
[01:23:23.440 --> 01:23:27.440]  each conviction steps it up.
[01:23:27.440 --> 01:23:31.440]  So it stepped up to a felony they gave him 10 years.
[01:23:31.440 --> 01:23:36.440]  We have that right, but the courts are not ready to recognize it
[01:23:36.440 --> 01:23:39.440]  because it's going to cost them too much money.
[01:23:39.440 --> 01:23:44.440]  And frankly, they could fix this problem.
[01:23:44.440 --> 01:23:47.440]  We have the right to travel,
[01:23:47.440 --> 01:23:52.440]  but we don't necessarily have the right to travel in any manner
[01:23:52.440 --> 01:23:55.440]  or method we choose.
[01:23:55.440 --> 01:24:01.440]  If we exercise our right to travel in a manner that creates
[01:24:01.440 --> 01:24:04.440]  a serious potential risk,
[01:24:04.440 --> 01:24:09.440]  then we have responsibilities for our fellow citizens.
[01:24:09.440 --> 01:24:13.440]  Well, also I think right to travel only applies to public thoroughfares.
[01:24:13.440 --> 01:24:16.440]  I mean, people don't have the right to travel across my property.
[01:24:16.440 --> 01:24:17.440]  No, no.
[01:24:17.440 --> 01:24:19.440]  Tracing through my backyard just because it's a cut-through.
[01:24:19.440 --> 01:24:23.440]  Right, it's public thoroughfares, but how they travel,
[01:24:23.440 --> 01:24:29.440]  that could easily be regulated and stay within Constitution.
[01:24:29.440 --> 01:24:32.440]  But the way they've done it doesn't.
[01:24:32.440 --> 01:24:38.440]  And my issue about right to travel until we get our courts back,
[01:24:38.440 --> 01:24:42.440]  it's just the wrong battle to have right now.
[01:24:42.440 --> 01:24:44.440]  How do we get our courts back?
[01:24:44.440 --> 01:24:48.440]  That's what we're doing.
[01:24:48.440 --> 01:24:53.440]  If this is your first time listening to our show, this is what we do.
[01:24:53.440 --> 01:24:55.440]  Are you a first-time listener or are you a first-time caller?
[01:24:55.440 --> 01:24:58.440]  I know you're a first-time caller.
[01:24:58.440 --> 01:25:00.440]  Actually, I'm a first-time listener.
[01:25:00.440 --> 01:25:02.440]  I'm just able to now get it over in my neighborhood.
[01:25:02.440 --> 01:25:03.440]  All right.
[01:25:03.440 --> 01:25:05.440]  Completely all over yet.
[01:25:05.440 --> 01:25:11.440]  What we do is we show you how to go after public officials.
[01:25:11.440 --> 01:25:13.440]  In the previous call, that's what we were talking about.
[01:25:13.440 --> 01:25:16.440]  We file criminal charges against the police officer
[01:25:16.440 --> 01:25:21.440]  every time he steps ever so slightly across a legal line.
[01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:25.440]  And I have this procedure that I run.
[01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:30.440]  I go down to the district attorney and I file criminal charges against the individual.
[01:25:30.440 --> 01:25:32.440]  Or if I want to set up the police department,
[01:25:32.440 --> 01:25:35.440]  I'll go to the police department and file with them.
[01:25:35.440 --> 01:25:36.440]  Okay.
[01:25:36.440 --> 01:25:39.440]  When they don't file it with some magistrate,
[01:25:39.440 --> 01:25:42.440]  then I file against the one I filed with.
[01:25:42.440 --> 01:25:46.440]  I refuse him of shielding the other one from prosecution.
[01:25:46.440 --> 01:25:48.440]  I go file it with the magistrate.
[01:25:48.440 --> 01:25:50.440]  When the magistrate refuses to take it,
[01:25:50.440 --> 01:25:54.440]  then I make up a complaint against the magistrate and go to the district attorney.
[01:25:54.440 --> 01:25:57.440]  And when the district attorney refuses to act on it,
[01:25:57.440 --> 01:25:59.440]  I make up complaints against the district attorney,
[01:25:59.440 --> 01:26:02.440]  and I go pounding on the grand jury.
[01:26:02.440 --> 01:26:05.440]  In some states, we don't have grand juries.
[01:26:05.440 --> 01:26:08.440]  Where you don't have a grand jury, you'll have other checks and balances.
[01:26:08.440 --> 01:26:10.440]  Like Pennsylvania doesn't have a grand jury,
[01:26:10.440 --> 01:26:15.440]  but they have an attorney general who has prosecutorial powers.
[01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:19.440]  So I go after the attorney general, do the same thing to him.
[01:26:19.440 --> 01:26:22.440]  Grand juries here, but they won't let us near the grand jury.
[01:26:22.440 --> 01:26:26.440]  The grand juries are always held in secret and they belong to the prosecutors.
[01:26:26.440 --> 01:26:27.440]  Thank you.
[01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:29.440]  This is what I did in North Carolina.
[01:26:29.440 --> 01:26:30.440]  Pretty typical.
[01:26:30.440 --> 01:26:35.440]  I went up to the bailiff and I said, my name is Randall Kelton.
[01:26:35.440 --> 01:26:39.440]  I always tell them who I am first because I don't want them asking me questions.
[01:26:39.440 --> 01:26:41.440]  My name is Randall Kelton.
[01:26:41.440 --> 01:26:44.440]  Tell the foreman that I want to talk to him.
[01:26:44.440 --> 01:26:46.440]  You can't talk to the grand jury.
[01:26:46.440 --> 01:26:47.440]  He said, sure I can.
[01:26:47.440 --> 01:26:50.440]  Just go tell the foreman I'm out here and I want to talk to him.
[01:26:50.440 --> 01:26:51.440]  You can't talk to the grand jury.
[01:26:51.440 --> 01:26:53.440]  You just get out of here.
[01:26:53.440 --> 01:26:55.440]  He threw me out.
[01:26:55.440 --> 01:27:01.440]  So I went and got his lieutenant, and I told him I want you to arrest,
[01:27:01.440 --> 01:27:04.440]  I think his name was Rex or something.
[01:27:04.440 --> 01:27:05.440]  Well, what would I arrest him for?
[01:27:05.440 --> 01:27:09.440]  Well, he wouldn't let me talk to the foreman of the grand jury.
[01:27:09.440 --> 01:27:11.440]  Well, Mr. Kelton, you can't talk to the foreman of the grand jury.
[01:27:11.440 --> 01:27:12.440]  He said, sure I can.
[01:27:12.440 --> 01:27:14.440]  He said, oh, no, no, no, Mr. Kelton.
[01:27:14.440 --> 01:27:17.440]  I said, look, look, look, I think you misunderstand something.
[01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:19.440]  You're a public servant.
[01:27:19.440 --> 01:27:21.440]  He said, yes, Mr. Kelton, I am.
[01:27:21.440 --> 01:27:23.440]  You're the servant.
[01:27:23.440 --> 01:27:25.440]  I'm the sovereign.
[01:27:25.440 --> 01:27:33.440]  I can do anything I want to unless the law specifically forbids me to do it.
[01:27:33.440 --> 01:27:38.440]  Now, you on the other hand, you may do only what the law specifically
[01:27:38.440 --> 01:27:41.440]  allows you to do.
[01:27:41.440 --> 01:27:46.440]  Now, I read through your laws, and I didn't find one place in there where
[01:27:46.440 --> 01:27:50.440]  the law said that I could not speak to the foreman of the grand jury while
[01:27:50.440 --> 01:27:54.440]  he's sitting on the toilet or driving in his car.
[01:27:54.440 --> 01:27:58.440]  Down here, that sort of thing, I mean, I wouldn't have gotten past the first
[01:27:58.440 --> 01:28:03.440]  couple of words and I would have got stomped on, charged with trespassing.
[01:28:03.440 --> 01:28:07.440]  And the other big problem that we have here is judicial tyranny.
[01:28:07.440 --> 01:28:08.440]  They're tiring.
[01:28:08.440 --> 01:28:12.440]  Okay, this is what we, okay, these are, the judges are the ones I really want.
[01:28:12.440 --> 01:28:14.440]  I don't care about the prosecutor.
[01:28:14.440 --> 01:28:16.440]  I don't care about these chumps down at the bottom.
[01:28:16.440 --> 01:28:17.440]  I want the judges.
[01:28:17.440 --> 01:28:18.440]  Okay.
[01:28:18.440 --> 01:28:20.440]  There's something to understand.
[01:28:20.440 --> 01:28:25.440]  You tend to only have interaction with the judge when you have an issue
[01:28:25.440 --> 01:28:28.440]  before the judge.
[01:28:28.440 --> 01:28:29.440]  Right.
[01:28:29.440 --> 01:28:31.440]  Don't do this when you have an issue before the judge.
[01:28:31.440 --> 01:28:34.440]  Go pick a fight with them.
[01:28:34.440 --> 01:28:37.440]  I go in and start the fight.
[01:28:37.440 --> 01:28:40.440]  I went down to Johnson County and went to the jail and said, I want to watch
[01:28:40.440 --> 01:28:41.440]  your morning reinment hearing.
[01:28:41.440 --> 01:28:44.440]  Well, you can't watch that because we hold them deep in the jail, and you
[01:28:44.440 --> 01:28:46.440]  would be a security risk.
[01:28:46.440 --> 01:28:47.440]  Well, hold it somewhere else.
[01:28:47.440 --> 01:28:49.440]  I want to watch.
[01:28:49.440 --> 01:28:50.440]  The judge wouldn't let me watch.
[01:28:50.440 --> 01:28:55.440]  So I start charging the judge criminally for violating constitutional
[01:28:55.440 --> 01:28:57.440]  right to public court.
[01:28:57.440 --> 01:28:59.440]  And just walked right up the ladder.
[01:28:59.440 --> 01:29:01.440]  I'm the victim.
[01:29:01.440 --> 01:29:04.440]  I'm the witness.
[01:29:04.440 --> 01:29:07.440]  I'm the one they all have to protect.
[01:29:07.440 --> 01:29:10.440]  Hey, kill the messenger, right?
[01:29:10.440 --> 01:29:12.440]  I'm just reporting the crime.
[01:29:12.440 --> 01:29:14.440]  Oh, you don't want to take, you don't want to do your job?
[01:29:14.440 --> 01:29:17.440]  Well, that's a crime too, bubba.
[01:29:17.440 --> 01:29:21.440]  They have nothing to go after you with.
[01:29:21.440 --> 01:29:25.440]  They would really like to get me, but they're not getting me.
[01:29:25.440 --> 01:29:26.440]  Okay.
[01:29:26.440 --> 01:29:31.440]  Everybody who frowns at me gets criminal complaints.
[01:29:31.440 --> 01:29:34.440]  I'm looking forward to listening to you guys' morning numbers.
[01:29:34.440 --> 01:29:37.440]  You can stream our archives on our website.
[01:29:37.440 --> 01:29:41.440]  And V, you can also listen live on the Internet from our website,
[01:29:41.440 --> 01:29:44.440]  ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:29:44.440 --> 01:29:46.440]  You can listen live as well.
[01:29:46.440 --> 01:29:49.440]  Hang in there, V, we're going to break.
[01:29:49.440 --> 01:29:51.440]  We'll finish up with you on the other side.
[01:29:51.440 --> 01:29:58.440]  We'll be right back.
[01:29:58.440 --> 01:30:00.440]  Gold prices are at historic highs.
[01:30:00.440 --> 01:30:03.440]  And with the recent pullback, this is a great time to buy.
[01:30:03.440 --> 01:30:05.440]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation,
[01:30:05.440 --> 01:30:09.440]  geopolitical uncertainties and instability in rural financial systems,
[01:30:09.440 --> 01:30:11.440]  I see gold going up much higher.
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[01:31:22.440 --> 01:31:51.440]  Alright, away, away, throw the vote machines away.
[01:31:51.440 --> 01:32:00.440]  This is Deborah Stevens from the Three Shoes Posse Band and also RuleOfLawRadio.com.
[01:32:00.440 --> 01:32:02.440]  Alright, we have quite a number of callers on the line.
[01:32:02.440 --> 01:32:05.440]  We're speaking with Vee from South Dakota, first-time listener, first-time caller.
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[01:33:28.440 --> 01:33:30.440]  All right, we are speaking with Vee in South Dakota.
[01:33:30.440 --> 01:33:35.440]  We also have Travis, Dominic, George, and Steve will be going to you guys next.
[01:33:35.440 --> 01:33:40.440]  So Randy, you wanted to finish up with Vee.
[01:33:40.440 --> 01:33:42.440]  I'm sorry, go ahead, Randy.
[01:33:42.440 --> 01:33:49.440]  We've only got 30 minutes, and I've got about eight hours worth of stuff to tell you.
[01:33:49.440 --> 01:33:51.440]  So I'll go real brief.
[01:33:51.440 --> 01:33:57.440]  You have no idea how powerful you are.
[01:33:57.440 --> 01:34:04.440]  You have no idea how much influence you can have in the courts where you're at.
[01:34:04.440 --> 01:34:09.440]  Once you realize that you really are the sovereign.
[01:34:09.440 --> 01:34:12.440]  You see, I'm not sovereign in my rights.
[01:34:12.440 --> 01:34:15.440]  I'm sovereign in my responsibility.
[01:34:15.440 --> 01:34:19.440]  This is a corporation, and I'm the CEO.
[01:34:19.440 --> 01:34:24.440]  Everybody works for me personally.
[01:34:24.440 --> 01:34:29.440]  Okay, they work for you personally too, but they work for me personally.
[01:34:29.440 --> 01:34:30.440]  This is Republic.
[01:34:30.440 --> 01:34:32.440]  I'm the sovereign.
[01:34:32.440 --> 01:34:37.440]  I've given them laws to follow, and they will follow those laws.
[01:34:37.440 --> 01:34:38.440]  Or not.
[01:34:38.440 --> 01:34:43.440]  If they don't, I will give them a fight they won't believe.
[01:34:43.440 --> 01:34:52.440]  When you go after them, it's a whole other animal.
[01:34:52.440 --> 01:34:58.440]  Cleveland, Texas, district judge, I've been hammering on this guy for six months.
[01:34:58.440 --> 01:35:05.440]  Bush whacked his grand jury right in front of him and told the grand jury, stood up in the courtroom, told the grand jury I had business with him.
[01:35:05.440 --> 01:35:11.440]  The judge asked me what the nature of my business was, and I told him, well, I got some criminal complaints against some public officials.
[01:35:11.440 --> 01:35:13.440]  Well, what officials are those?
[01:35:13.440 --> 01:35:18.440]  Well, a district attorney sitting here and that assistant district attorney, and you, judge.
[01:35:18.440 --> 01:35:20.440]  He just froze in his tracks.
[01:35:20.440 --> 01:35:23.440]  He could not believe I had done that to him.
[01:35:23.440 --> 01:35:26.440]  Six months I'm after this guy.
[01:35:26.440 --> 01:35:29.440]  He walks into a courtroom one day and sees this woman.
[01:35:29.440 --> 01:35:31.440]  He's trying to take her kids away from her.
[01:35:31.440 --> 01:35:36.440]  I'm sitting in the bench behind him, behind them talking to him.
[01:35:36.440 --> 01:35:41.440]  He grants a continuance, immediately walks out.
[01:35:41.440 --> 01:35:45.440]  Next day they get a recusal motion.
[01:35:45.440 --> 01:35:48.440]  I have been eating this guy alive, and there's nothing.
[01:35:48.440 --> 01:35:55.440]  I have a problem with them recusing themselves, and I end up going, all of a sudden end up with one from another county.
[01:35:55.440 --> 01:35:58.440]  Oh, okay, this is what I'm doing now.
[01:35:58.440 --> 01:36:09.440]  I'm trying to get the judge to make an administrative or a ministerial decision.
[01:36:09.440 --> 01:36:13.440]  You know the judge is immune from suit.
[01:36:13.440 --> 01:36:14.440]  Right.
[01:36:14.440 --> 01:36:17.440]  Well, not exactly.
[01:36:17.440 --> 01:36:22.440]  He's immune from judicial decisions that he makes.
[01:36:22.440 --> 01:36:23.440]  Okay.
[01:36:23.440 --> 01:36:27.440]  He's immune from administrative decisions or ministerial decisions.
[01:36:27.440 --> 01:36:33.440]  Here's a quick example of a ministerial requirement.
[01:36:33.440 --> 01:36:40.440]  A trial judge may apply the existing law to the facts of the case.
[01:36:40.440 --> 01:36:42.440]  That's all he can do.
[01:36:42.440 --> 01:36:51.440]  If a trial judge renders a ruling that violates the existing law, then he's violated a ministerial duty.
[01:36:51.440 --> 01:36:54.440]  He has no right to do that.
[01:36:54.440 --> 01:36:56.440]  Sue him for that.
[01:36:56.440 --> 01:37:05.440]  If you file 20 bar grievances against your attorney and he runs to the judge and asks to be removed from your case,
[01:37:05.440 --> 01:37:09.440]  and you run to the judge and tell him, don't you dare remove him from that case.
[01:37:09.440 --> 01:37:12.440]  I have a private contract with him, and you're to butt out.
[01:37:12.440 --> 01:37:14.440]  The judge remove him from the case.
[01:37:14.440 --> 01:37:16.440]  That's an administrative decision.
[01:37:16.440 --> 01:37:18.440]  Zero immunity from that one.
[01:37:18.440 --> 01:37:24.440]  You can sue him for breach of contract, interfering with public, private contracts.
[01:37:24.440 --> 01:37:27.440]  There are a lot of things you can get at the judge for.
[01:37:27.440 --> 01:37:32.440]  The judge that you bring the case in front of is his golfing buddy, so it gets dismissed.
[01:37:32.440 --> 01:37:42.440]  Oh, I tell you, when you start going for his throat, when you start filing civil suits against him personally,
[01:37:42.440 --> 01:37:45.440]  you get his attention.
[01:37:45.440 --> 01:37:52.440]  And when you start filing criminal charges against prosecuting attorneys and police officers, they act like it's no big deal.
[01:37:52.440 --> 01:38:02.440]  I did a seminar in Colorado and said, okay, guys, who here would like to play Russian roulette?
[01:38:02.440 --> 01:38:05.440]  What, no takers?
[01:38:05.440 --> 01:38:10.440]  That's what it's like when you file a criminal complaint against a public official.
[01:38:10.440 --> 01:38:14.440]  An indictment ends their career, gone.
[01:38:14.440 --> 01:38:18.440]  Now they figure you probably won't get that far.
[01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:27.440]  But when you go down there and you're the one bringing the complaint, you are absolutely clean and untouchable.
[01:38:27.440 --> 01:38:28.440]  Okay.
[01:38:28.440 --> 01:38:34.440]  Anybody frowns at me, see, I want to get to the district judge first, as quickly as I can.
[01:38:34.440 --> 01:38:36.440]  I want to get up to him and file against him.
[01:38:36.440 --> 01:38:45.440]  I want to file against the district judge. If anyone even frowns at me, I accuse the district judge of sending them to do that.
[01:38:45.440 --> 01:38:50.440]  And you will find these policemen will be terrified of you.
[01:38:50.440 --> 01:38:53.440]  Everybody will be terrified of you.
[01:38:53.440 --> 01:38:59.440]  And they will start changing policies to keep anybody else from doing to them what you'll be doing to them.
[01:38:59.440 --> 01:39:06.440]  If you listen to our shows, we will tell you how to do that. That's why we're here, to take the courts back.
[01:39:06.440 --> 01:39:16.440]  Once you get that judge in a position to where when he walks out behind the bench and looks out across the bar at the gallery
[01:39:16.440 --> 01:39:22.440]  and he's wondering which one, which one of those jacklegs are out there waiting for me to render a decision
[01:39:22.440 --> 01:39:28.440]  he don't like so he can run down there and try to get me arrested or try to get me removed from the bench.
[01:39:28.440 --> 01:39:36.440]  Criminal charges increase their bond rating. You can get their bonds pulled. If they pull their bond, they're off the bench.
[01:39:36.440 --> 01:39:42.440]  They are ultimately vulnerable. And we know how and we'll show you how.
[01:39:42.440 --> 01:39:45.440]  We've got a bunch of callers. I hate to cut you short. It's your first call.
[01:39:45.440 --> 01:39:47.440]  Thank you. Thank you.
[01:39:47.440 --> 01:39:51.440]  All right. Yeah. Call back in on Thursday. Okay. Thursday or Friday.
[01:39:51.440 --> 01:39:58.440]  Thursday. Randy has a guest, but we will be taking calls at some point in the show. And Friday, we've got a four hour show.
[01:39:58.440 --> 01:40:05.440]  Catherine Albrecht will be on along with Lisa and Lisa, guests from earlier. But we will also be talking, taking calls that show as well.
[01:40:05.440 --> 01:40:15.440]  You will like our Thursday guest. He shows you how to, how to deal with the courts and civil matters and, and how to play chess with the courts.
[01:40:15.440 --> 01:40:17.440]  All right. Thank you, V.
[01:40:17.440 --> 01:40:18.440]  Thanks. Have a good one.
[01:40:18.440 --> 01:40:24.440]  Okay. You too. All right. First time listener, first time caller. Excellent news. All right.
[01:40:24.440 --> 01:40:33.440]  Liberty 1640 AM in Sioux Falls, South Dakota and Omaha, Nebraska. We are going now to Travis from Minnesota who's been patiently holding for quite a while.
[01:40:33.440 --> 01:40:37.440]  Travis, thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:40:37.440 --> 01:41:01.440]  Yeah, I was calling because someone had recommended that I look for something in the criminal procedure for Minnesota requiring an information filing or indictment to begin.
[01:41:01.440 --> 01:41:14.440]  Yeah, that was on agenda 21. Yeah. So I can't really find that. Okay. This, this is how prosecutions generally always commence.
[01:41:14.440 --> 01:41:22.440]  Some citizen notifies the court that he has reason to believe that someone else has committed a crime.
[01:41:22.440 --> 01:41:33.440]  It may be a police officer. It may be a truck driver, could be anybody. And they do that by making up a criminal complaint, file it with the court.
[01:41:33.440 --> 01:41:47.440]  And since the person filing the criminal complaint is not necessarily learned counsel, most courts require that when the prosecuting attorney receives the document,
[01:41:47.440 --> 01:41:58.440]  then he is to take the complaint and from the complaint prepare an information. And information looks exactly like a complaint.
[01:41:58.440 --> 01:42:11.440]  But the person who prepared it is not the one who filed. This is learned counsel preparing one that is accurate according to local law.
[01:42:11.440 --> 01:42:19.440]  The criminal complaint filed by a citizen doesn't necessarily have to be accurate. There's a lot of errors you can have in there because they don't expect you to be an attorney.
[01:42:19.440 --> 01:42:29.440]  And so then have an attorney make one up that is accurate. That's the information. And some courts can prosecute based on the information.
[01:42:29.440 --> 01:42:41.440]  Or generally if it's a felony in some states for everything, then it goes to a grand jury. And if a grand jury votes to prosecute, then they create an indictment.
[01:42:41.440 --> 01:42:47.440]  So those are the three documents we're talking about. But they change somewhat with states.
[01:42:47.440 --> 01:42:57.440]  In Alabama, they call that second document the prosecutor prepares. They call it a complaint. But it's just nomenclature.
[01:42:57.440 --> 01:43:07.440]  So in Minnesota, you're almost certainly going to have a criminal complaint from the person who has knowledge of the crime.
[01:43:07.440 --> 01:43:14.440]  Then you're either going to have an information that the state can prosecute from.
[01:43:14.440 --> 01:43:27.440]  And like in Texas, they can prosecute misdemeanors from the information. And then in Texas, if you have a felony, there must be an indictment by a grand jury.
[01:43:27.440 --> 01:43:37.440]  So then they'll have the third document. Does that make sense? Run us out of time.
[01:43:37.440 --> 01:43:44.440]  Okay. All right. Listen, if you have any more comments, you can hang on to the other side.
[01:43:44.440 --> 01:43:50.440]  Okay. All right. We also have Dominic from Texas, Steve from Seattle, George from Texas will be taking your calls.
[01:43:50.440 --> 01:43:59.440]  This next segment will be right back. This is a rule of law, Rady Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com.
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[01:46:07.440 --> 01:46:15.440]  All right, this is Deborah Stevens with Three Shoes Posse Band and the Route One Band, of course.
[01:46:15.440 --> 01:46:18.440]  And Randy Kelton, ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:46:18.440 --> 01:46:24.440]  All right, we are speaking now with Travis in Minnesota, then we're going to go to Dominic.
[01:46:24.440 --> 01:46:28.440]  Travis, do you have anything for us? Do you have anything else for us, I mean?
[01:46:28.440 --> 01:46:32.440]  Yeah, can you hear me? Yes, go ahead.
[01:46:32.440 --> 01:46:45.440]  So if this document that I would be looking at, it's applicability, it's called a complaint, and it looks like it's prepared by the prosecutor, so that suffices then.
[01:46:45.440 --> 01:46:48.440]  That's what I'm understanding, eh?
[01:46:48.440 --> 01:46:54.440]  Yes, it could suffice, depending on the law in Minnesota.
[01:46:54.440 --> 01:47:00.440]  In Texas, a prosecuting attorney is forbidden to file a criminal complaint.
[01:47:00.440 --> 01:47:09.440]  When I was just in Nevada, and in Nevada, the prosecutor files a criminal complaint.
[01:47:09.440 --> 01:47:20.440]  But in Nevada, there has to be another criminal complaint filed by the arresting officer, and it's not in the record.
[01:47:20.440 --> 01:47:28.440]  But it may be that way in Minnesota. Whoever does the arrest has to file a criminal complaint.
[01:47:28.440 --> 01:47:37.440]  Reason being, a policeman can arrest someone without a warrant first being issued if he personally sees or hears the offense being committed.
[01:47:37.440 --> 01:47:48.440]  But he only has authority to hold for as long as it takes to get the person before a judicial officer, who will be a magistrate.
[01:47:48.440 --> 01:48:05.440]  And the magistrate's job is to examine into the criminal accusation and determine if the policeman has enough cause or the complainant has enough cause to bind the person over for trial.
[01:48:05.440 --> 01:48:11.440]  And when that's done, that's because they don't want the police to have the key to the jailhouse door.
[01:48:11.440 --> 01:48:14.440]  It's okay for him to arrest, but not to arrest and imprison.
[01:48:14.440 --> 01:48:25.440]  He's to take you before a neutral magistrate. The magistrate hears both sides, and then he decides whether or not you go to jail or get released on bond or just go home.
[01:48:25.440 --> 01:48:32.440]  Then he issues a warrant, and that's what gives the state authority to continue to hold.
[01:48:32.440 --> 01:48:40.440]  This is going to be relatively consistent in all states because it goes to the federal requirement.
[01:48:40.440 --> 01:48:49.440]  So if the prosecutor is filing a complaint, it's going to be a second complaint, and it's going to be based on the first one.
[01:48:49.440 --> 01:49:05.440]  And in every state I've seen so far, the statute requires that that first complaint, along with the statement of probable cause, be filed with the clerk of the court.
[01:49:05.440 --> 01:49:09.440]  That way you can challenge the validity of the original arrest.
[01:49:09.440 --> 01:49:14.440]  So if the prosecutor is filing a complaint, there needs to be more documents in the file.
[01:49:14.440 --> 01:49:20.440]  There needs to be another one, and it's almost never there.
[01:49:20.440 --> 01:49:26.440]  Have you seen your case file?
[01:49:26.440 --> 01:49:29.440]  Travis, you there?
[01:49:29.440 --> 01:49:32.440]  Travis, it looks like we may have lost him.
[01:49:32.440 --> 01:49:33.440]  Okay.
[01:49:33.440 --> 01:49:34.440]  Okay.
[01:49:34.440 --> 01:49:35.440]  You need to move on.
[01:49:35.440 --> 01:49:39.440]  Yeah, let's continue on. I was about to say something because we've got several other callers on the line.
[01:49:39.440 --> 01:49:42.440]  Let's go to Steve from Seattle.
[01:49:42.440 --> 01:49:46.440]  He's been calling in, and we've been losing connection with him.
[01:49:46.440 --> 01:49:47.440]  So we're going to go to Steve from Seattle.
[01:49:47.440 --> 01:49:50.440]  What's on your mind tonight, Steve?
[01:49:50.440 --> 01:49:51.440]  How are you folks doing tonight?
[01:49:51.440 --> 01:49:53.440]  Good. Thanks for tuning in.
[01:49:53.440 --> 01:49:55.440]  What do you got for us tonight?
[01:49:55.440 --> 01:50:10.440]  I've been up here fighting one city on a citation successfully, but the purpose of my call tonight is I got a friend of mine here in jail.
[01:50:10.440 --> 01:50:13.440]  He was coming back from a gun show.
[01:50:13.440 --> 01:50:20.440]  He's been working gun shows for 10 years, 20 years.
[01:50:20.440 --> 01:50:26.440]  Anyway, an overzealous policeman decided to shake him down at the gas station.
[01:50:26.440 --> 01:50:30.440]  He's got all the guns that he takes to the show with him.
[01:50:30.440 --> 01:50:33.440]  They've got them spread out all over the parking lot.
[01:50:33.440 --> 01:50:38.440]  He's got concealed pistol permit, current.
[01:50:38.440 --> 01:50:42.440]  Anyway, he's charged with possession of a stolen weapon.
[01:50:42.440 --> 01:50:47.440]  It turns out maybe one of these weapons has been stolen or reported stolen.
[01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:50.440]  Anyway, he's got an arraignment tomorrow.
[01:50:50.440 --> 01:50:54.440]  I'm going to try to go down there and see if I can make heads or tails of this with him.
[01:50:54.440 --> 01:50:58.440]  Everybody's broke right now, so that's not good.
[01:50:58.440 --> 01:51:04.440]  The other aspect of this, let's see, he's charged with felony possession of a stolen weapon.
[01:51:04.440 --> 01:51:19.440]  The first part of that law is intent to knowingly possess a stolen weapon or a stolen property.
[01:51:19.440 --> 01:51:20.440]  Obviously, there's no intent.
[01:51:20.440 --> 01:51:24.440]  He's got them all spread out all over the table at the gun show with feds walking around and stuff.
[01:51:24.440 --> 01:51:25.440]  You know what I mean?
[01:51:25.440 --> 01:51:35.440]  Yeah. What procedures are in place for gun dealers to make sure that their weapons are not stolen?
[01:51:35.440 --> 01:51:40.440]  What he commonly does, he's not a dealer.
[01:51:40.440 --> 01:51:42.440]  He's just an enthusiast.
[01:51:42.440 --> 01:51:45.440]  He's a collector, so he doesn't have to be licensed.
[01:51:45.440 --> 01:51:57.440]  He has a concealed pistol permit just to be a good guy, show that he's got nothing on him, but he does carry something.
[01:51:57.440 --> 01:52:02.440]  Anyway, he calls State Patrol.
[01:52:02.440 --> 01:52:10.440]  State Patrol is the central for the state of Washington for clearing gun serial numbers, that kind of thing.
[01:52:10.440 --> 01:52:15.440]  So anything that he doesn't know the guy or had dealt with before, he calls in and clears it with State Patrol.
[01:52:15.440 --> 01:52:21.440]  He's putting his stuff on display, and there's police walking all over.
[01:52:21.440 --> 01:52:23.440]  He sells to policemen.
[01:52:23.440 --> 01:52:27.440]  He buys from policemen.
[01:52:27.440 --> 01:52:34.440]  He doesn't want anything stolen, obviously, so I really highly doubt that this was intentional.
[01:52:34.440 --> 01:52:45.440]  The other twist to this thing is some of the stuff he's got is over $10,000 never been fired antique weapons.
[01:52:45.440 --> 01:52:52.440]  And my experience has been that they like to play with the weapons that they seize.
[01:52:52.440 --> 01:52:56.440]  Exactly. They like to keep the weapons they seize.
[01:52:56.440 --> 01:53:00.440]  And he's got, I'd say, $100,000 worth here.
[01:53:00.440 --> 01:53:05.440]  He's down there trying to hustle some money, you know, he was trying to, so, Sunday.
[01:53:05.440 --> 01:53:13.440]  Anyway, that is something I was going to try to bring up in the arraignment tomorrow with the motion of, you know,
[01:53:13.440 --> 01:53:15.440]  to order the policeman not to fire these weapons.
[01:53:15.440 --> 01:53:20.440]  Like, say a $20,000 English shotgun, right, you fire it, it's worth $10,000.
[01:53:20.440 --> 01:53:22.440]  Yeah.
[01:53:22.440 --> 01:53:30.440]  Does he have an accurate inventory?
[01:53:30.440 --> 01:53:33.440]  He does now.
[01:53:33.440 --> 01:53:39.440]  Well, I mean an accurate inventory from the police officers that picked up his weapons.
[01:53:39.440 --> 01:53:40.440]  That I don't know.
[01:53:40.440 --> 01:53:42.440]  It's very likely they want some of his weapons.
[01:53:42.440 --> 01:53:45.440]  That's why they would do that.
[01:53:45.440 --> 01:53:53.440]  Has anybody checked the numbers that the police have run and claimed were stolen?
[01:53:53.440 --> 01:53:57.440]  No, I haven't been able to get down there today and everything's shut down on the holiday kind of.
[01:53:57.440 --> 01:54:00.440]  Oh, so this is real recent.
[01:54:00.440 --> 01:54:09.440]  Yeah, he was arrested early this morning and today's a holiday and nobody's got the, you know,
[01:54:09.440 --> 01:54:16.440]  $17,000 cash only bail and he's going to arraignment tomorrow afternoon because they're all closed today
[01:54:16.440 --> 01:54:19.440]  or they would have arraigned them today, I think.
[01:54:19.440 --> 01:54:20.440]  Well, we'll know.
[01:54:20.440 --> 01:54:22.440]  Call back Thursday.
[01:54:22.440 --> 01:54:25.440]  We should know more.
[01:54:25.440 --> 01:54:32.440]  Well, what I'm trying to do is come up with a motion for them not to fire the weapon.
[01:54:32.440 --> 01:54:34.440]  That's simple enough.
[01:54:34.440 --> 01:54:44.440]  Is that possible to ask the arraignment magistrate to order the policeman not to?
[01:54:44.440 --> 01:54:47.440]  Not to fire any of the weapons, yes.
[01:54:47.440 --> 01:54:51.440]  It would seem to me like they shouldn't touch them anyway if there are evidence.
[01:54:51.440 --> 01:54:58.440]  Usually evidence is placed in an airtight sealed plastic container or plastic bag
[01:54:58.440 --> 01:55:02.440]  and it is not to be touched until the time of trial.
[01:55:02.440 --> 01:55:07.440]  So they shouldn't be, just by nature of being evidence, they shouldn't be firing them off anyway
[01:55:07.440 --> 01:55:08.440]  or even touching them for that matter.
[01:55:08.440 --> 01:55:11.440]  They should all be in an airtight container.
[01:55:11.440 --> 01:55:12.440]  Yeah, but they're not.
[01:55:12.440 --> 01:55:14.440]  They're known to like to play with weapons.
[01:55:14.440 --> 01:55:22.440]  I mean, he's got a legal 50-caliber semi-automatic sniper rifle, you know.
[01:55:22.440 --> 01:55:26.440]  Well, then they could be charged with tampering with evidence then.
[01:55:26.440 --> 01:55:33.440]  Well, the best thing to do is get a hold of the head of the department that's holding him
[01:55:33.440 --> 01:55:36.440]  or I would go to the jail first.
[01:55:36.440 --> 01:55:38.440]  You don't want to start with the guy at the top.
[01:55:38.440 --> 01:55:46.440]  You start the guy at the bottom and just really make a nuisance of yourself.
[01:55:46.440 --> 01:55:50.440]  Don't you even think about firing one of those weapons.
[01:55:50.440 --> 01:55:51.440]  I know what you guys do.
[01:55:51.440 --> 01:55:54.440]  You steal these things and you go out and sell them.
[01:55:54.440 --> 01:55:57.440]  You go out and play with them like a bunch of little kids and, you know,
[01:55:57.440 --> 01:55:59.440]  tell them the reasons they shouldn't be fired.
[01:55:59.440 --> 01:56:02.440]  And then this guy will say, well, I'm not the right one to talk to.
[01:56:02.440 --> 01:56:04.440]  And then you get to his boss.
[01:56:04.440 --> 01:56:09.440]  And then you climb down his boss's throat and work your way up to the head of the jail
[01:56:09.440 --> 01:56:12.440]  and then from the head of the jail to the head of the department
[01:56:12.440 --> 01:56:16.440]  because you're calling down there giving them a hard time.
[01:56:16.440 --> 01:56:22.440]  They'll all start talking about this jack leg, this calling down here
[01:56:22.440 --> 01:56:25.440]  giving everybody a bunch of grief and blah, blah, blah.
[01:56:25.440 --> 01:56:28.440]  And he thinks we'd shoot his weapons.
[01:56:28.440 --> 01:56:32.440]  That'll do more to keep them from doing it than anything else
[01:56:32.440 --> 01:56:34.440]  if they know you're looking at them.
[01:56:34.440 --> 01:56:37.440]  And it always works to give them a hard time.
[01:56:37.440 --> 01:56:40.440]  And besides, it's fun.
[01:56:40.440 --> 01:56:42.440]  Just rattle their cages, you know,
[01:56:42.440 --> 01:56:51.440]  demand to know what their procedures are for protecting property that they seize.
[01:56:51.440 --> 01:56:56.440]  And what do they do to keep it from being stolen?
[01:56:56.440 --> 01:56:58.440]  You can't get fingerprints on it.
[01:56:58.440 --> 01:56:59.440]  You'll ruin the gun.
[01:56:59.440 --> 01:57:03.440]  Just be as obnoxious as you can possibly be.
[01:57:03.440 --> 01:57:07.440]  Well, yeah, that sounds good.
[01:57:07.440 --> 01:57:09.440]  Maybe the evidence room, too, huh?
[01:57:09.440 --> 01:57:10.440]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:57:10.440 --> 01:57:12.440]  You want to hammer the evidence room.
[01:57:12.440 --> 01:57:16.440]  Accus them of all kinds of stuff they never did.
[01:57:16.440 --> 01:57:17.440]  They will be righteously indignant.
[01:57:17.440 --> 01:57:18.440]  You'll hurt their feelings.
[01:57:18.440 --> 01:57:20.440]  Too bad.
[01:57:20.440 --> 01:57:22.440]  But they need to be more careful with your stuff,
[01:57:22.440 --> 01:57:25.440]  because we know you're giving them a bunch of grief.
[01:57:25.440 --> 01:57:28.440]  Well, like I say, there's a few of them there.
[01:57:28.440 --> 01:57:33.440]  You know, they'll go from 20,000 to 10,000 if you fire the darn thing.
[01:57:33.440 --> 01:57:39.440]  Yeah, that's what they need to know, and you're aware of that.
[01:57:39.440 --> 01:57:44.440]  So somebody's looking over their shoulder that's not in their jail.
[01:57:44.440 --> 01:57:47.440]  Ooh, maybe I could do that tonight.
[01:57:47.440 --> 01:57:48.440]  Yeah, do it tonight.
[01:57:48.440 --> 01:57:50.440]  It's fun.
[01:57:50.440 --> 01:57:51.440]  You'll enjoy it.
[01:57:51.440 --> 01:57:53.440]  I have a great time doing that.
[01:57:53.440 --> 01:57:55.440]  Okay, we need to move along.
[01:57:55.440 --> 01:57:58.440]  We've got a minute left, and we've got two more callers.
[01:57:58.440 --> 01:58:00.440]  Well, we actually already talked to Steve.
[01:58:00.440 --> 01:58:04.440]  I mean, I'm sorry, we already talked to Travis, but we do have George.
[01:58:04.440 --> 01:58:06.440]  All right, thank you, Steve.
[01:58:06.440 --> 01:58:08.440]  I appreciate all you guys do down there.
[01:58:08.440 --> 01:58:10.440]  All right.
[01:58:10.440 --> 01:58:11.440]  Okay, you have a good evening.
[01:58:11.440 --> 01:58:12.440]  Thank you.
[01:58:12.440 --> 01:58:13.440]  All right, you're welcome.
[01:58:13.440 --> 01:58:14.440]  Actually, I'm sorry.
[01:58:14.440 --> 01:58:15.440]  Say hi, Steve.
[01:58:15.440 --> 01:58:16.440]  Say hi, George.
[01:58:16.440 --> 01:58:17.440]  Goodbye, George.
[01:58:17.440 --> 01:58:18.440]  We don't have enough time.
[01:58:18.440 --> 01:58:19.440]  Yeah, I'm sorry.
[01:58:19.440 --> 01:58:20.440]  We don't have enough time.
[01:58:20.440 --> 01:58:24.440]  We've got 30 seconds left, and so we have to end the show because of the FM and AM stations
[01:58:24.440 --> 01:58:25.440]  and their transitions.
[01:58:25.440 --> 01:58:26.440]  Okay, and George, we owe you.
[01:58:26.440 --> 01:58:29.440]  I think we did this to you the other day, too.
[01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:30.440]  Okay, well, I'm sorry.
[01:58:30.440 --> 01:58:32.440]  We'll get to you Thursday.
[01:58:32.440 --> 01:58:34.440]  Yeah, we'll call back in on Thursday, George.
[01:58:34.440 --> 01:58:42.440]  All right, this is the Rule of Law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com.
[01:58:42.440 --> 01:58:49.440]  Stay tuned tomorrow night for Tom Kiley, INN World Report Radio, and Tony Davis, and Wednesday
[01:58:49.440 --> 01:59:13.440]  night, of course, Radio Free Oklahoma, and we'll be back Thursday night.
[01:59:13.440 --> 01:59:32.440]  Thank you, everybody.
[01:59:43.440 --> 01:59:56.440]  Thank you.