[00:00.000 --> 00:09.000]  If you are dangerous, if you are a bull-bucka, somebody bucka me.
[00:09.000 --> 00:18.000]  If you are don't be, stay away from me.
[00:18.000 --> 00:22.000]  I'd like to step in praise, don't watch my eyes.
[00:22.000 --> 00:30.000]  I'm dangerous, dangerous. I'd like to step in praise, don't watch my eyes.
[00:30.000 --> 00:33.000]  I'm dangerous, dangerous.
[00:33.000 --> 00:39.000]  If you wanna live, you ain't no good.
[00:39.000 --> 00:53.000]  I'd like to step in praise, don't watch my eyes.
[01:09.000 --> 01:17.000]  Randy Faustin, okay, we're talking about, this appears to be, from my understanding,
[01:17.000 --> 01:23.000]  a prosecution on behalf of the county government, right?
[01:23.000 --> 01:27.000]  Travis County, served to you by the constable.
[01:27.000 --> 01:29.000]  Outside city limits.
[01:29.000 --> 01:36.000]  Outside city limits, this has nothing to do with the municipal prosecutor or the district judge or any,
[01:36.000 --> 01:39.000]  the strictly county business.
[01:39.000 --> 01:40.000]  Right, I think so.
[01:40.000 --> 01:51.000]  Okay, and it sounds to me like it's criminal, not civil, but we're not exactly sure.
[01:51.000 --> 01:56.000]  Well, I mean, if you go to the regulations, the Travis County regulations,
[01:56.000 --> 02:06.000]  that the commissioner's court passed, and they extended their jurisdiction under the, what is it,
[02:06.000 --> 02:11.000]  the Texas Health and Safety Code chapters 822 and 826.
[02:11.000 --> 02:13.000]  That's state law.
[02:13.000 --> 02:19.000]  Yeah, and so in there, it says that the county can add some things to it,
[02:19.000 --> 02:23.000]  and they basically added in this leash law what it amounts to.
[02:23.000 --> 02:26.000]  Okay, so it's criminal then.
[02:26.000 --> 02:28.000]  It sounds to me like it's criminal.
[02:28.000 --> 02:34.000]  What are they, leash law, what are they assigning the leash law to?
[02:34.000 --> 02:37.000]  What animals?
[02:37.000 --> 02:39.000]  Just the dog.
[02:39.000 --> 02:40.000]  Just dogs.
[02:40.000 --> 02:44.000]  Yeah, that's why it's so confusing when they have cat on here too.
[02:44.000 --> 02:50.000]  Yeah, but that's just an all-encompassing terminology.
[02:50.000 --> 02:59.000]  The problem with law is it has to be so specific that an ordinary person of reasonable prudence
[02:59.000 --> 03:05.000]  should be able to read the law and understand what it requires.
[03:05.000 --> 03:07.000]  Okay, okay, but wait a minute.
[03:07.000 --> 03:09.000]  I want to make a comment here.
[03:09.000 --> 03:15.000]  When it comes to syntax, okay, because I've studied bullying logic, and I'm a mathematician,
[03:15.000 --> 03:21.000]  there's a big difference between the word and and the word or, okay?
[03:21.000 --> 03:36.000]  And so if it says in the statute cat or dog, what that means is if you have, it means either.
[03:36.000 --> 03:39.000]  Okay, it doesn't mean both.
[03:39.000 --> 03:42.000]  It means either one.
[03:42.000 --> 03:45.000]  It means either a cat or a dog, okay?
[03:45.000 --> 03:50.000]  If it says and, it means both at the same time, okay?
[03:50.000 --> 03:52.000]  So this is very crucial, okay?
[03:52.000 --> 03:57.000]  And people need to understand this when they're opening checking accounts with business partners
[03:57.000 --> 04:03.000]  or spouses, et cetera, there is a huge difference between that word and and that word or, okay?
[04:03.000 --> 04:10.000]  Because on checking account, if it says Deborah Stevens or Jerry Stevens,
[04:10.000 --> 04:16.000]  what that means is either one of us can sign a check with full 100% authority
[04:16.000 --> 04:22.000]  if it says Deborah Stevens and Jerry Stevens, what that means is both of us have to sign.
[04:22.000 --> 04:26.000]  So when you look at the code, when you look at the statute, if it says or,
[04:26.000 --> 04:32.000]  what it means is if you either have a dog or a cat or a parakeet or a freaking gerbil
[04:32.000 --> 04:38.000]  or whatever it is without a leash, then you're in violation.
[04:38.000 --> 04:41.000]  So if he says and, you have to have them all on a leash.
[04:41.000 --> 04:42.000]  That's right.
[04:42.000 --> 04:45.000]  I want to see a parakeet on a leash.
[04:45.000 --> 04:50.000]  Okay, well the point that I'm trying to make is you have to look at the code, okay?
[04:50.000 --> 04:55.000]  And you can't just get distracted and throw up smoke screens like,
[04:55.000 --> 05:00.000]  well, it says cat or it says bird.
[05:00.000 --> 05:07.000]  Well, you have to look at the specific syntax because if it says or, or, or, what does it say?
[05:07.000 --> 05:14.000]  It's 52.005 restraint, restraint of dogs.
[05:14.000 --> 05:16.000]  It only mentions dogs, period.
[05:16.000 --> 05:18.000]  There's no mention of cat anywhere.
[05:18.000 --> 05:19.000]  Okay.
[05:19.000 --> 05:20.000]  Then why did you even talk about a cat?
[05:20.000 --> 05:21.000]  I don't understand.
[05:21.000 --> 05:30.000]  Because under the notice to appear, they have fail slash refuse, restrain cat slash dog.
[05:30.000 --> 05:36.000]  Okay, I can understand circumstances where you would try to restrain a cat.
[05:36.000 --> 05:38.000]  Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
[05:38.000 --> 05:39.000]  Hold on.
[05:39.000 --> 05:51.000]  It sounds to me like on his notice to appear that there's an accusation that is different than the citation that he received.
[05:51.000 --> 05:54.000]  Am I understanding that correctly, Randy?
[05:54.000 --> 05:55.000]  Correct.
[05:55.000 --> 06:04.000]  The citation says loose dog and this says fail slash refuse, restrain cat slash dog.
[06:04.000 --> 06:11.000]  Okay, so they're summoning you to court under a different accusation.
[06:11.000 --> 06:15.000]  No, no, that's not inconsistent.
[06:15.000 --> 06:17.000]  Fail to restrain dog.
[06:17.000 --> 06:19.000]  Yeah, but what is the statute?
[06:19.000 --> 06:24.000]  What is the law that they're accusing him of breaking is the whole point.
[06:24.000 --> 06:27.000]  What does the statute say?
[06:27.000 --> 06:35.000]  Well, this Travis County regulation says restraint of dogs.
[06:35.000 --> 06:38.000]  But I don't know because they don't spell it out anywhere.
[06:38.000 --> 06:44.000]  The only place I've ever seen anything is on the citation, it says loose dog.
[06:44.000 --> 06:50.000]  And on this notice to appear, it says fail slash refuse, restrain cat slash dog.
[06:50.000 --> 06:52.000]  Okay, look, here's what I would do.
[06:52.000 --> 07:00.000]  You make them specify the law that they're accusing you of breaking.
[07:00.000 --> 07:07.000]  What constitutes restraint of dog specifically?
[07:07.000 --> 07:12.000]  Specifically, well, I want to see a statute number, a code number, a paragraph.
[07:12.000 --> 07:15.000]  That's a good question.
[07:15.000 --> 07:16.000]  Randy.
[07:16.000 --> 07:17.000]  Yes.
[07:17.000 --> 07:20.000]  What constitutes restraint of dog?
[07:20.000 --> 07:29.000]  Have you been advised of what constitutes restraint of dog?
[07:29.000 --> 07:31.000]  No one's advised me at all.
[07:31.000 --> 07:34.000]  I mean, the only thing I can go by is this regulation.
[07:34.000 --> 07:37.000]  Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop, stop.
[07:37.000 --> 07:43.000]  You don't get to determine what you think is restraint of dog.
[07:43.000 --> 07:51.000]  The statute has to specifically explain what is restraint of dog.
[07:51.000 --> 08:02.000]  Now, you can do all kinds of hallucinations and try to decide what you think the court means by restraint of dog, but that means nothing.
[08:02.000 --> 08:08.000]  They have to very specifically stipulate what is restraint of dog.
[08:08.000 --> 08:12.000]  If they don't, the statute is insufficient.
[08:12.000 --> 08:13.000]  Yeah.
[08:13.000 --> 08:22.000]  Well, look, if they're going to accuse you of breaking a law, they have to specify just what in the heck law they're accusing you of breaking.
[08:22.000 --> 08:23.000]  I mean, it's like Randy.
[08:23.000 --> 08:24.000]  You can guess.
[08:24.000 --> 08:36.000]  It's like Randy was talking about the failure to yield thing, and you look up the statute and what it says is failure to yield coming out of an alleyway.
[08:36.000 --> 08:38.000]  Okay?
[08:38.000 --> 08:46.000]  So, look, if they can't accuse you, if they can't even write a statute number, are they calling you to court yet?
[08:46.000 --> 08:49.000]  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, this notice to appear.
[08:49.000 --> 08:57.000]  I filed a motion based on the citation, which is a promise to appear that they extorted out of me, as you know.
[08:57.000 --> 09:03.000]  And so I filed a special appearance motion to dismiss.
[09:03.000 --> 09:07.000]  Didn't hear anything back for well over a month.
[09:07.000 --> 09:10.000]  And then I finally got this letter in the mail that says notice to appear.
[09:10.000 --> 09:15.000]  So I called them up, and they told me a bunch of stuff on the phone, basically what I outlined about.
[09:15.000 --> 09:19.000]  There was nothing in the file, but they had gone ahead and set a trial date and all this.
[09:19.000 --> 09:22.000]  So I went down there to see if I could get a copy of it.
[09:22.000 --> 09:25.000]  They wouldn't give me a copy of it unless I filled out their form.
[09:25.000 --> 09:35.000]  And then the only thing about the judge basically denying the motion to dismiss was written on notes on the front of this thing.
[09:35.000 --> 09:37.000]  They said, well, I want a copy of that for sure.
[09:37.000 --> 09:40.000]  And then they came back and said, well, we don't know if we can give you a copy of that.
[09:40.000 --> 09:43.000]  We'll have to hold a conference and talk about it.
[09:43.000 --> 09:46.000]  9-1-1.
[09:46.000 --> 09:47.000]  Man, I'm telling you.
[09:47.000 --> 09:48.000]  No, I'm not kidding.
[09:48.000 --> 09:51.000]  This really works.
[09:51.000 --> 09:53.000]  I can't do it, man.
[09:53.000 --> 09:59.000]  I got to tell you, Randy's got some balls, dude, because I watched him.
[09:59.000 --> 10:12.000]  And when these guys break the law right in the middle of Williamson County, district judge's office, Williamson County, DA,
[10:12.000 --> 10:21.000]  paying freaking whips on a cell phone and calls 9-1-1, I was like, man, this guy is something else.
[10:21.000 --> 10:22.000]  But you have to.
[10:22.000 --> 10:25.000]  I mean, what else are you going to do?
[10:25.000 --> 10:28.000]  This is how you document.
[10:28.000 --> 10:31.000]  Everything's about documentation.
[10:31.000 --> 10:38.000]  And these guys recognize when you're doing documentation.
[10:38.000 --> 10:40.000]  9-1-1 is documentation.
[10:40.000 --> 10:41.000]  When is your court?
[10:41.000 --> 10:44.000]  Is there a trial date set, Randy?
[10:44.000 --> 10:49.000]  There's this official notice to appear on the 10th of February.
[10:49.000 --> 10:50.000]  What is that?
[10:50.000 --> 10:51.000]  Is that an arraignment?
[10:51.000 --> 10:52.000]  Is it a pretrial?
[10:52.000 --> 10:54.000]  What kind of?
[10:54.000 --> 10:56.000]  OK, let me go to notice to appear.
[10:56.000 --> 11:00.000]  What the heck are you appearing for?
[11:00.000 --> 11:06.000]  Well, that's one of my other questions to you is what constitutes an official notice?
[11:06.000 --> 11:09.000]  Doesn't it have to be sealed or anything?
[11:09.000 --> 11:17.000]  If the court has ordered you to appear, you have to be notified of the reason for your appearance
[11:17.000 --> 11:21.000]  so you can adequately prepare for the appearance.
[11:21.000 --> 11:25.000]  What are you being commanded to appear for?
[11:25.000 --> 11:29.000]  They're saying a pretrial conference.
[11:29.000 --> 11:31.000]  What does that mean?
[11:31.000 --> 11:37.000]  Well, they said the purpose of the conference is for you and the county attorney to discuss your options.
[11:37.000 --> 11:40.000]  Oh, that is bullcrap, Ola.
[11:40.000 --> 11:41.000]  They cannot...
[11:41.000 --> 11:42.000]  Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
[11:42.000 --> 11:43.000]  I've got to say something here.
[11:43.000 --> 11:52.000]  The court cannot summon anybody to appear to have a conference with a freaking prosecutor, OK?
[11:52.000 --> 11:55.000]  The court can only summon someone to appear before the court.
[11:55.000 --> 11:56.000]  That means a judge.
[11:56.000 --> 11:59.000]  They cannot summon you to appear before the prosecutor.
[11:59.000 --> 12:00.000]  I'm mad.
[12:00.000 --> 12:08.000]  OK, go to 28.01 Code of Criminal Procedure.
[12:08.000 --> 12:20.000]  28.01 Code of Criminal Procedure defines what a court, what a judge can order you to appear before him for.
[12:20.000 --> 12:24.000]  Meeting with a prosecuting attorney is not one of those things.
[12:24.000 --> 12:26.000]  Not.
[12:26.000 --> 12:35.000]  I went before a county judge in Denton County and I was ordered to appear and I went before the judge and I said,
[12:35.000 --> 12:38.000]  Judge, what am I doing here?
[12:38.000 --> 12:40.000]  Well, you're appearing before the court.
[12:40.000 --> 12:42.000]  That's OK. I got that part.
[12:42.000 --> 12:49.000]  But under what authority have you commanded that I appear before you?
[12:49.000 --> 12:52.000]  Well, under my authority as a judge.
[12:52.000 --> 12:54.000]  I said, well, yeah, I appreciate that, Judge.
[12:54.000 --> 12:55.000]  Yeah, well, what do you want?
[12:55.000 --> 12:59.000]  Yeah, I was hoping for something a little more specific.
[12:59.000 --> 13:02.000]  And she said, she just kind of looked around.
[13:02.000 --> 13:08.000]  She looked at the prosecutor, looked at the clerk, looked back at me and I said, Your Honor,
[13:08.000 --> 13:16.000]  are you ordering that I appear before you under Article 28.01 Code of Criminal Procedure?
[13:16.000 --> 13:24.000]  And she said, she looked over at the clerk and she said, Do you have a copy of the Code of Criminal Procedure?
[13:24.000 --> 13:25.000]  And she said, Well, sure.
[13:25.000 --> 13:26.000]  And she gets her one.
[13:26.000 --> 13:29.000]  And she gets out the Code of Criminal Procedure and reads it.
[13:29.000 --> 13:39.000]  28.01 specifies what the court can order you to appear before them for.
[13:39.000 --> 13:45.000]  Meeting with a prosecuting attorney is not one of those things.
[13:45.000 --> 13:47.000]  Absolutely not.
[13:47.000 --> 13:49.000]  We fought a Revolutionary War over that.
[13:49.000 --> 13:50.000]  Yeah.
[13:50.000 --> 13:56.000]  And I had to give the court that this was a female judge and I had to give her credit.
[13:56.000 --> 13:57.000]  She read through it.
[13:57.000 --> 14:05.000]  And one of the things she can order you to appear before the court for is an arraignment.
[14:05.000 --> 14:20.000]  Under Texas law, arraignment means a hearing for the purpose of determining the identity of the accused and taking a plea.
[14:20.000 --> 14:28.000]  She read through 28.01 and she got to that part and she said, Whoa, Mr. Compton, I've ordered you to be here for an arraignment.
[14:28.000 --> 14:29.000]  Oh, yeah.
[14:29.000 --> 14:30.000]  Oh, yeah.
[14:30.000 --> 14:31.000]  That's what it was.
[14:31.000 --> 14:32.000]  That's what it was.
[14:32.000 --> 14:33.000]  Yeah.
[14:33.000 --> 14:37.000]  She said, Mr. Compton, what is your name?
[14:37.000 --> 14:39.000]  I said, Well, you just told me.
[14:39.000 --> 14:41.000]  Well, I need you to tell the court.
[14:41.000 --> 14:42.000]  I said, Okay.
[14:42.000 --> 14:44.000]  My name is Randall Compton.
[14:44.000 --> 14:51.000]  Well, Mr. Compton, you have been accused of a...
[14:51.000 --> 14:56.000]  Let me get this straight.
[14:56.000 --> 15:05.000]  Operating a motor vehicle, drawing a trailer without a front headlight.
[15:05.000 --> 15:06.000]  Yeah.
[15:06.000 --> 15:08.000]  Like a trailer has a front headlight.
[15:08.000 --> 15:09.000]  Do you...
[15:09.000 --> 15:14.000]  She said, Do you understand the charges against you?
[15:14.000 --> 15:16.000]  Well, no.
[15:16.000 --> 15:17.000]  Okay.
[15:17.000 --> 15:18.000]  She had two charges.
[15:18.000 --> 15:27.000]  Operating a trailer without a front headlight and operating a trailer with no...
[15:27.000 --> 15:28.000]  No.
[15:28.000 --> 15:29.000]  What was the term?
[15:29.000 --> 15:31.000]  It wasn't emergency release.
[15:31.000 --> 15:33.000]  You're supposed to...
[15:33.000 --> 15:34.000]  On commercial vehicles.
[15:34.000 --> 15:35.000]  Some kind of thing.
[15:35.000 --> 15:36.000]  Yeah.
[15:36.000 --> 15:43.000]  On commercial vehicles, you have to have something that if the trailer breaks loose from you, it'll set the brakes.
[15:43.000 --> 15:45.000]  I forgot exactly what the term was.
[15:45.000 --> 15:54.000]  But in this particular case, whoever the DPS officer was, he was pretty screwed up.
[15:54.000 --> 15:58.000]  And he accused me of operating a trailer with no front headlight.
[15:58.000 --> 16:00.000]  Oh, I remember.
[16:00.000 --> 16:05.000]  No inspection sticker.
[16:05.000 --> 16:06.000]  Yeah.
[16:06.000 --> 16:07.000]  Okay.
[16:07.000 --> 16:12.000]  So she asked me if I understood the allegations against me.
[16:12.000 --> 16:15.000]  No, I did not.
[16:15.000 --> 16:17.000]  And I forgot.
[16:17.000 --> 16:18.000]  Okay.
[16:18.000 --> 16:19.000]  Look, look, look.
[16:19.000 --> 16:20.000]  The point is...
[16:20.000 --> 16:21.000]  I'm sorry.
[16:21.000 --> 16:22.000]  Randy's...
[16:22.000 --> 16:23.000]  Under 2801...
[16:23.000 --> 16:25.000]  This is a little bit past Randy's bedtime.
[16:25.000 --> 16:26.000]  Yes, it is.
[16:26.000 --> 16:32.000]  There are only a couple of things that a judge can order you to appear for.
[16:32.000 --> 16:37.000]  Appearing before the prosecuting attorney for a conference is not one of them.
[16:37.000 --> 16:43.000]  Look, the point is this goes to separation of the branches of our government, okay?
[16:43.000 --> 16:51.000]  The court has every right to order you to appear to deal with business of the court.
[16:51.000 --> 16:54.000]  That means the judge wants to talk to you.
[16:54.000 --> 16:56.000]  The judge wants you to appear.
[16:56.000 --> 16:57.000]  Okay.
[16:57.000 --> 17:04.000]  And this just goes to show the deer in the headlights of these judges, even district judges,
[17:04.000 --> 17:07.000]  that the prosecutor just runs the freaking show.
[17:07.000 --> 17:13.000]  Because when Randy shows up and he's like, okay, judge, you told me to come here, what
[17:13.000 --> 17:14.000]  do you want?
[17:14.000 --> 17:17.000]  And the judge is looking around like deer in the headlights.
[17:17.000 --> 17:19.000]  Okay, prosecutor, what you want?
[17:19.000 --> 17:21.000]  It just goes to show.
[17:21.000 --> 17:29.000]  Look, the prosecutor is the insidious snake, okay?
[17:29.000 --> 17:30.000]  And not by...
[17:30.000 --> 17:31.000]  Look, not personally.
[17:31.000 --> 17:34.000]  And I don't say that personally.
[17:34.000 --> 17:39.000]  It's by nature of the profession.
[17:39.000 --> 17:41.000]  It's the way it works.
[17:41.000 --> 17:47.000]  It's by nature of design and it's not correct.
[17:47.000 --> 17:49.000]  Prosecutors used to run in the show.
[17:49.000 --> 17:52.000]  Well, they'll do whatever they can get away with.
[17:52.000 --> 17:59.000]  For the most part, judges just do what the prosecutors ask that they do.
[17:59.000 --> 18:06.000]  And when someone comes along and questions it, the judge, for the most part, has no idea
[18:06.000 --> 18:07.000]  what to do.
[18:07.000 --> 18:12.000]  Randy, does it actually say on a piece of paper that the judge summoned you to have
[18:12.000 --> 18:13.000]  a conference with the prosecutor?
[18:13.000 --> 18:14.000]  No, it didn't.
[18:14.000 --> 18:15.000]  No, I'm asking you.
[18:15.000 --> 18:16.000]  Yes, it does.
[18:16.000 --> 18:17.000]  It says...
[18:17.000 --> 18:18.000]  I'll read it to you.
[18:18.000 --> 18:19.000]  Oh, read it.
[18:19.000 --> 18:20.000]  Read it.
[18:20.000 --> 18:21.000]  Read it.
[18:21.000 --> 18:22.000]  Okay.
[18:22.000 --> 18:26.000]  This is an official notice to appear and it gives the address on February 10, 2009
[18:26.000 --> 18:29.000]  at 1.30 for a pre-trial conference.
[18:29.000 --> 18:35.000]  Then it says, the purpose of this conference is for you and the county attorney prosecutor
[18:35.000 --> 18:40.000]  to discuss your options in an attempt to dispose of your case without a trial.
[18:40.000 --> 18:41.000]  Oh, my.
[18:41.000 --> 18:42.000]  Special oppression.
[18:42.000 --> 18:43.000]  Wait, wait, wait.
[18:43.000 --> 18:44.000]  Say that last sentence again.
[18:44.000 --> 18:47.000]  Say that last sentence again, Randy.
[18:47.000 --> 18:49.000]  The judge cannot discuss the case with you.
[18:49.000 --> 18:50.000]  Okay.
[18:50.000 --> 18:53.000]  You need to bring any records or documents with you which will assist you in...
[18:53.000 --> 18:54.000]  You have...
[18:54.000 --> 18:56.000]  These guys are going to be out of their minds.
[18:56.000 --> 18:57.000]  Wait, wait, wait.
[18:57.000 --> 18:58.000]  Hold on.
[18:58.000 --> 18:59.000]  Hold on, Randy.
[18:59.000 --> 19:00.000]  Hold on.
[19:00.000 --> 19:01.000]  Randy.
[19:01.000 --> 19:02.000]  Randy.
[19:02.000 --> 19:03.000]  Yes.
[19:03.000 --> 19:04.000]  Was this sent to you by the...
[19:04.000 --> 19:05.000]  Delivered to you by the constable?
[19:05.000 --> 19:06.000]  Notarized?
[19:06.000 --> 19:07.000]  It was sent in the mail.
[19:07.000 --> 19:08.000]  It was sent in the mail.
[19:08.000 --> 19:10.000]  There's no signature on it.
[19:10.000 --> 19:12.000]  It just has the letterhead of the...
[19:12.000 --> 19:13.000]  Okay.
[19:13.000 --> 19:16.000]  Do you still have the envelope with the postmark?
[19:16.000 --> 19:17.000]  Letterhead of who?
[19:17.000 --> 19:20.000]  He has the envelope with the postmark.
[19:20.000 --> 19:22.000]  Letterhead of who?
[19:22.000 --> 19:28.000]  Well, at the top of it, it has Judge Susan Stieg, Justice of the Peace, Precinct 3, Travis
[19:28.000 --> 19:29.000]  County.
[19:29.000 --> 19:30.000]  That's it.
[19:30.000 --> 19:31.000]  Okay.
[19:31.000 --> 19:32.000]  Judge Susan, say that again.
[19:32.000 --> 19:33.000]  Susan Stieg.
[19:33.000 --> 19:34.000]  Okay.
[19:34.000 --> 19:35.000]  Oh my God.
[19:35.000 --> 19:36.000]  The judge...
[19:36.000 --> 19:37.000]  Unbelievable.
[19:37.000 --> 19:38.000]  They put it in writing.
[19:38.000 --> 19:39.000]  Okay.
[19:39.000 --> 19:40.000]  Go to 2801.
[19:40.000 --> 19:41.000]  Holy crap.
[19:41.000 --> 19:42.000]  The...
[19:42.000 --> 19:43.000]  2801...
[19:43.000 --> 19:44.000]  I'm going to do that right now.
[19:44.000 --> 19:45.000]  Yeah.
[19:45.000 --> 19:46.000]  List the things that the judge can...
[19:46.000 --> 19:47.000]  You're there now?
[19:47.000 --> 19:48.000]  Read it to us.
[19:48.000 --> 19:53.000]  It says, court order for a conference and hearing.
[19:53.000 --> 19:59.000]  The defendant must be present at the arraignment and his presence is required during any pretrial
[19:59.000 --> 20:00.000]  proceedings.
[20:00.000 --> 20:01.000]  Okay.
[20:01.000 --> 20:02.000]  Stop.
[20:02.000 --> 20:03.000]  Stop.
[20:03.000 --> 20:04.000]  Arraignment.
[20:04.000 --> 20:07.000]  This is what arraignment means.
[20:07.000 --> 20:17.000]  Arraignment is a hearing for the purpose of determining the identity of the accused and
[20:17.000 --> 20:18.000]  then a plea.
[20:18.000 --> 20:19.000]  That's all.
[20:19.000 --> 20:20.000]  That's what arraignment is.
[20:20.000 --> 20:21.000]  Okay.
[20:21.000 --> 20:22.000]  Okay.
[20:22.000 --> 20:23.000]  I'm sorry.
[20:23.000 --> 20:24.000]  Go ahead.
[20:24.000 --> 20:25.000]  Go ahead.
[20:25.000 --> 20:26.000]  Keep going.
[20:26.000 --> 20:27.000]  Well, then it lists 10 things.
[20:27.000 --> 20:28.000]  And the first one is arraignment of the defendant.
[20:28.000 --> 20:30.840]  The second one is pleadings of the defendant.
[20:30.840 --> 20:33.080]  The third one is special pleas.
[20:33.080 --> 20:38.880]  The fourth one is exceptions to the form or substance of the indictment or information.
[20:38.880 --> 20:43.480]  The fifth one is motions for continuance by the state or the defendant.
[20:43.480 --> 20:46.320]  The sixth one is motions to suppress evidence.
[20:46.320 --> 20:49.120]  The seventh is motions for change of venue.
[20:49.120 --> 20:50.120]  The eighth is discovery.
[20:50.120 --> 20:51.120]  Nine is entrapment.
[20:51.120 --> 20:56.120]  And 10 is motion for appointment of an interpreter.
[20:56.120 --> 20:57.120]  Okay.
[20:57.120 --> 21:03.400]  Where is meet with the prosecuting attorney?
[21:03.400 --> 21:05.400]  Nowhere.
[21:05.400 --> 21:09.840]  If the prosecuting attorney wants to meet with me, he can make a freaking appointment
[21:09.840 --> 21:13.400]  just like everybody else.
[21:13.400 --> 21:20.600]  But for the judge to order me to meet with the prosecuting attorney, I want to see the
[21:20.600 --> 21:23.240]  judge's specific authority.
[21:23.240 --> 21:31.600]  If the judge doesn't have that specific authority, that comes under color of law.
[21:31.600 --> 21:38.200]  Color of law means pretense of law.
[21:38.200 --> 21:39.840]  And that's official oppression.
[21:39.840 --> 21:40.840]  Official oppression.
[21:40.840 --> 21:41.840]  Big time.
[21:41.840 --> 21:47.760]  Listen, the judge cannot order anybody to meet with the prosecutor, the head of trial.
[21:47.760 --> 21:50.200]  That is what the trial is for.
[21:50.200 --> 21:56.800]  You face your accuser in front of a jury in open court.
[21:56.800 --> 22:02.480]  I'm sorry, but listen, this is what the Magna Carta was all about.
[22:02.480 --> 22:06.200]  This is what our revolutionary war was all about.
[22:06.200 --> 22:12.920]  The judge cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot, cannot order anybody to meet with the prosecutor
[22:12.920 --> 22:21.640]  that goes against every grain, every fiber of the foundation of our republic and our
[22:21.640 --> 22:25.480]  liberties dating back thousands of years.
[22:25.480 --> 22:33.120]  Goes to official oppression 39.03 code of criminal procedure.
[22:33.120 --> 22:35.360]  It goes to it's time to fight.
[22:35.360 --> 22:36.360]  Yes.
[22:36.360 --> 22:44.200]  If a public official exerts or purports to exert an authority, he does not specifically
[22:44.200 --> 22:50.680]  have and in the process denies a citizen in the full and free access to or enjoyment
[22:50.680 --> 22:57.560]  of any right, then he commits a class A misdemeanor in the court in the state of Texas.
[22:57.560 --> 22:58.560]  Okay.
[22:58.560 --> 23:03.760]  So Randy, look, he's got a document that was sent in the mail on the letterhead of this
[23:03.760 --> 23:06.240]  justice of the peace.
[23:06.240 --> 23:10.960]  He's got the envelope with the postmark and everything of the judge ordering him to meet
[23:10.960 --> 23:12.160]  with the prosecutor.
[23:12.160 --> 23:13.160]  So what's next?
[23:13.160 --> 23:15.560]  What, what does he do now?
[23:15.560 --> 23:16.560]  Grand jury.
[23:16.560 --> 23:17.560]  Dead.
[23:17.560 --> 23:18.560]  Bang.
[23:18.560 --> 23:19.560]  Well, so what are you saying?
[23:19.560 --> 23:20.560]  Okay.
[23:20.560 --> 23:21.560]  So he's prepared.
[23:21.560 --> 23:24.960]  So he should prepare criminal complaints and go directly to a grand jury.
[23:24.960 --> 23:25.960]  Exactly.
[23:25.960 --> 23:33.720]  Official oppression, class A misdemeanor against the district, against the judge, the judge
[23:33.720 --> 23:36.200]  with the grand jury.
[23:36.200 --> 23:41.040]  Now the prosecuting attorney is not going to want to file that with grand jury.
[23:41.040 --> 23:47.840]  And this gets into a whole other show of how to, which, uh, who do you file that with exactly?
[23:47.840 --> 23:48.840]  That's the big question.
[23:48.840 --> 23:49.840]  Okay.
[23:49.840 --> 23:50.840]  That's the other show.
[23:50.840 --> 23:51.840]  Okay.
[23:51.840 --> 23:52.840]  Okay.
[23:52.840 --> 23:53.840]  Heck we got all night.
[23:53.840 --> 23:54.840]  Okay.
[23:54.840 --> 23:55.840]  Wait a minute.
[23:55.840 --> 23:56.840]  Wait, wait, wait.
[23:56.840 --> 23:57.840]  We've got Jim.
[23:57.840 --> 23:58.840]  We've got Mike, Jim and Scott.
[23:58.840 --> 23:59.840]  Okay.
[23:59.840 --> 24:05.680]  So this leads up to exactly what we do that's the most powerful.
[24:05.680 --> 24:14.480]  Now you got the judge exercising an authority he does not, or she does not specifically
[24:14.480 --> 24:20.360]  have and is purporting to exert an authority they don't have.
[24:20.360 --> 24:29.600]  And that violates 39.03 penal code, not code of criminal procedure, penal code, it's crime
[24:29.600 --> 24:33.280]  in the state of Texas, class A misdemeanor, next thing to a felony.
[24:33.280 --> 24:34.280]  Yeah, but Randy.
[24:34.280 --> 24:35.280]  Okay.
[24:35.280 --> 24:36.280]  Up to six months in prison.
[24:36.280 --> 24:39.920]  Look, we understand that, but who do you go file the complaint with?
[24:39.920 --> 24:41.600]  Ah, okay.
[24:41.600 --> 24:51.240]  If you file a criminal complaint with the district attorney alleging a criminal accusation
[24:51.240 --> 24:57.160]  against a public official, there is a special statute.
[24:57.160 --> 24:58.160]  Yes.
[24:58.160 --> 25:00.200]  Now he's required to give it.
[25:00.200 --> 25:01.200]  Okay.
[25:01.200 --> 25:04.320]  Let's go to special statute.
[25:04.320 --> 25:11.240]  A special statute is to be given consideration over a general statute.
[25:11.240 --> 25:12.240]  Okay.
[25:12.240 --> 25:16.980]  Let's go back to duties of officers.
[25:16.980 --> 25:24.520]  Chapter one of the code of criminal procedure essentially covers definitions.
[25:24.520 --> 25:31.840]  Chapter two, the second chapter goes to duties of officers.
[25:31.840 --> 25:40.640]  The first set of officers the legislature chose to address were prosecuted attorneys.
[25:40.640 --> 25:51.400]  2.01, the very first one says, it shall be the duty of prosecuting attorney not to secure
[25:51.400 --> 25:57.320]  conviction, but to ensure that justice is served.
[25:57.320 --> 26:03.600]  It shall not secret witnesses or evidence that may show the innocence of the accused
[26:03.600 --> 26:06.200]  or mitigate the guilt of the accused.
[26:06.200 --> 26:14.800]  Now that's nice high minded rhetoric, but it really doesn't tell the district attorney
[26:14.800 --> 26:19.960]  to do anything in particular as a prosecuting attorney.
[26:19.960 --> 26:28.840]  2.02 tells the prosecuting attorney and the county attorney, what kinds of cases they
[26:28.840 --> 26:33.120]  will adjudicate, criminal cases.
[26:33.120 --> 26:41.160]  And it tells the district attorney that he'll defend the county against civil litigation.
[26:41.160 --> 26:51.320]  That really doesn't apply a duty on the prosecutor, 2.03.
[26:51.320 --> 27:01.400]  The very first statute that implies that, not implies, that exerts a duty on the district
[27:01.400 --> 27:02.400]  attorney.
[27:02.400 --> 27:03.600]  A requirement.
[27:03.600 --> 27:11.040]  It says the prosecuting attorney, if the prosecuting attorney is made known in any manner that
[27:11.040 --> 27:18.600]  a public official has violated a law relating to his office, he shall reduce the complaint
[27:18.600 --> 27:21.920]  to an information and submit it to the grand jury.
[27:21.920 --> 27:26.680]  In other words, the prosecutor has no discretionary authority.
[27:26.680 --> 27:32.440]  He has to give it to the grand jury, has to.
[27:32.440 --> 27:41.600]  2.04, 2.05, it says that when the prosecuting attorney is made known that a crime has been
[27:41.600 --> 27:47.880]  committed, he shall reduce complaint from the information submitted to the grand jury.
[27:47.880 --> 27:57.920]  2.05 says that he shall present the complaint and the information to the grand jury.
[27:57.920 --> 28:01.320]  Okay, so it says it multiple times in other words.
[28:01.320 --> 28:12.840]  2.03 and 2.04 essentially say the same thing, except 2.03, the very first statute that exerts
[28:12.840 --> 28:22.080]  a duty on the prosecuting attorney applies very specifically to public officials.
[28:22.080 --> 28:32.280]  2.04 and 2.05 apply to everybody else, any crime that would essentially include public
[28:32.280 --> 28:33.280]  officials.
[28:33.280 --> 28:34.280]  Okay.
[28:34.280 --> 28:43.680]  But the legislature went out of their way to separate public officials from the rest.
[28:43.680 --> 28:48.160]  So a special statute has to be given special consideration.
[28:48.160 --> 28:59.600]  If a prosecuting attorney is made known in any manner that a public official has violated
[28:59.600 --> 29:05.720]  a law relating to his office, he shall reduce blank information submitted to the grand jury.
[29:05.720 --> 29:08.000]  This is absolutely clear.
[29:08.000 --> 29:09.000]  It's very clear.
[29:09.000 --> 29:10.000]  Okay.
[29:10.000 --> 29:13.640]  But Randy, listen, I'm going to ask you the question, the question of the hour, the question
[29:13.640 --> 29:18.560]  of the year, the question of the whole entire show.
[29:18.560 --> 29:22.360]  We all see that the law is clear.
[29:22.360 --> 29:26.720]  It's constitutional, at least this section of the law, you know, obviously there's some
[29:26.720 --> 29:31.640]  bad law about, you know, prohibition and stuff, but this section of the law is very constitutional,
[29:31.640 --> 29:37.800]  very clear, very appropriate, very right to protect our rights, okay.
[29:37.800 --> 29:51.440]  But what the heck do we do when the prosecutor won't do it, when he won't give, you know,
[29:51.440 --> 29:55.120]  reduce the complaint to an information and give it to the grand jury?
[29:55.120 --> 29:57.120]  What do you do then?
[29:57.120 --> 29:58.440]  What do you do, Randy?
[29:58.440 --> 29:59.440]  What do you do?
[29:59.440 --> 30:00.440]  What have you been doing for 30 years?
[30:00.440 --> 30:01.440]  Piece of cake.
[30:01.440 --> 30:02.440]  How does this work?
[30:02.440 --> 30:03.440]  Come on, man.
[30:03.440 --> 30:08.200]  Okay, this is a statute that everyone should have memorized.
[30:08.200 --> 30:11.200]  Yes, but what do you do?
[30:11.200 --> 30:17.320]  39.03 penal code, not code of criminal procedure.
[30:17.320 --> 30:24.360]  Code of criminal procedure tells the courts how they're to adjudicate criminal cases.
[30:24.360 --> 30:26.560]  Penal code is different.
[30:26.560 --> 30:33.520]  Every criminal charge they file against you comes out of the criminal code, except transportation
[30:33.520 --> 30:34.520]  and tickets.
[30:34.520 --> 30:35.520]  In-lease law.
[30:35.520 --> 30:40.600]  In-lease law, that's municipal.
[30:40.600 --> 30:51.200]  Criminal code, if a public official exerts or purports to exert an authority he does
[30:51.200 --> 31:01.960]  not expressly have, or if he fails to perform a duty he is required to perform, he violates
[31:01.960 --> 31:12.120]  39 point, I'm sorry, and in the process denies a citizen in the full and free access to or
[31:12.120 --> 31:23.120]  enjoyment of any right, he violates article 39.03, Texas Penal Code, which is a class
[31:23.120 --> 31:25.640]  A misdemeanor in the state of Texas.
[31:25.640 --> 31:31.360]  Okay, so Randy, yes, okay, we realize that, but what do you do about it?
[31:31.360 --> 31:32.680]  Who do you tell?
[31:32.680 --> 31:34.640]  Who do you file a criminal charge with?
[31:34.640 --> 31:37.400]  Okay, look, all right, listeners listen.
[31:37.400 --> 31:41.800]  I've been with Randy dealing with some of these issues, right?
[31:41.800 --> 31:48.240]  We've, I have been with Randy going up to the head administrative judge of Travis County,
[31:48.240 --> 31:59.920]  all the way down to the lowest JP, trying to get these, Jack, A-S-S, is to take our
[31:59.920 --> 32:05.640]  criminal complaints, all right, and they won't take them, okay?
[32:05.640 --> 32:09.920]  The highest judges in the state of Texas.
[32:09.920 --> 32:16.120]  Okay, but look, how do you, okay, look, here's the question of the decade, here's the question
[32:16.120 --> 32:22.520]  of the century, how, look, like we were talking about the grand jury earlier, Randy, how do
[32:22.520 --> 32:25.960]  we get a criminal complaint to the grand jury, man?
[32:25.960 --> 32:31.720]  That is the whole crux, we've got to be able to get a criminal complaint to the grand jury,
[32:31.720 --> 32:36.720]  we've got to be able to bypass a prosecutor, come on, dude, what do you do, what do you
[32:36.720 --> 32:37.720]  do?
[32:37.720 --> 32:38.720]  Piece of cake.
[32:38.720 --> 32:43.560]  You give stuff to the judge, a dress to grand juror, one, two, three, through 12, you mail
[32:43.560 --> 32:48.800]  it to the prosecutor, you could pull a Wendy, she goes and dresses up in a suit and stands
[32:48.800 --> 32:53.960]  outside the courthouse door and acts like she works for the court, and oh, you're here
[32:53.960 --> 32:58.400]  for the grand jury and paneling, you know, here's a package for you, come on, man, what
[32:58.400 --> 32:59.400]  do we do?
[32:59.400 --> 33:05.880]  How do we get, how do we get it to the grand jury, look, I'm sick of games, I'm tired-
[33:05.880 --> 33:06.880]  Okay, this goes to the office.
[33:06.880 --> 33:11.520]  No, listen, I'm tired of games, Randy, I'm tired of games, I'm tired of messing around
[33:11.520 --> 33:17.000]  with the prosecutor, I am tired of this crap, I want to go straight to the grand jury, you,
[33:17.000 --> 33:18.000]  what do you do?
[33:18.000 --> 33:19.760]  Come on, come on with it, dude.
[33:19.760 --> 33:25.680]  Okay, this goes to the art, at this point, we have to go to art, there are a couple of
[33:25.680 --> 33:36.720]  things we can do, we can file a criminal complaint with the district attorney, and article 2.03
[33:36.720 --> 33:44.480]  explains the district attorney, when he is made known in any manner that a public official
[33:44.480 --> 33:51.120]  has violated a law relating to his office, he shall reduce the complaint and information
[33:51.120 --> 33:59.920]  and submit it to the grand jury, now, when you, you know, okay, let's back up, 2.01,
[33:59.920 --> 34:06.800]  it shall be the primary duty of the prosecuting attorney, not to secure conviction, but to
[34:06.800 --> 34:10.720]  ensure that justice is served, he shall not be-
[34:10.720 --> 34:11.720]  Okay, so what do you do about it?
[34:11.720 --> 34:12.720]  Okay, I'm getting there, I'm getting there.
[34:12.720 --> 34:13.720]  Okay.
[34:13.720 --> 34:21.160]  This is the first statute under duties of officers, the very first, it addresses prosecutors
[34:21.160 --> 34:30.720]  first, and it shouldn't be lost on the reader that the legislature decided to address prosecutors
[34:30.720 --> 34:31.720]  first.
[34:31.720 --> 34:34.680]  Yeah, because they're the bad guy, that's why.
[34:34.680 --> 34:40.200]  Exactly, it's their duty to ensure that justice is served, it shall not be, it shall be the
[34:40.200 --> 34:47.320]  duty of the prosecuting attorney not to secure the, not to secure prosecution, but to ensure
[34:47.320 --> 34:54.200]  that justice is served, it shall not, secret witnesses or evidence that will mitigate the-
[34:54.200 --> 35:02.800]  Okay, but Randy, look, if I answer the question, who's going to make him, who is going to make
[35:02.800 --> 35:03.800]  him?
[35:03.800 --> 35:04.800]  We are.
[35:04.800 --> 35:05.800]  Okay.
[35:05.800 --> 35:06.800]  To mitigate the, anyway.
[35:06.800 --> 35:07.800]  Dude.
[35:07.800 --> 35:14.880]  I don't believe I lost it, getting old is getting, it sucks, it shall not mitigate the-
[35:14.880 --> 35:15.880]  Way past Randy's bedtime.
[35:15.880 --> 35:16.880]  Yes, it is.
[35:16.880 --> 35:20.560]  Okay, but you're not answering the question, dude, who is going to make him?
[35:20.560 --> 35:21.880]  How are we going to get to the grand jury?
[35:21.880 --> 35:26.160]  I mean, we know all the statute- I have to make him, you have to make him.
[35:26.160 --> 35:27.160]  Okay, how?
[35:27.160 --> 35:28.160]  Okay, how?
[35:28.160 --> 35:29.160]  What do you do?
[35:29.160 --> 35:30.160]  Okay, look, I want to hear- He has his duty.
[35:30.160 --> 35:35.480]  I want to hear, look, we know about his duty, I want to hear practical steps, okay?
[35:35.480 --> 35:36.480]  What do we do?
[35:36.480 --> 35:41.960]  We go stand outside the grand jury room and talk to the bailiff, we bring envelopes to
[35:41.960 --> 35:49.000]  the judge, we stick the envelopes full of complaints under the windshield wipers of
[35:49.000 --> 35:52.960]  the cars of the grand jury members in their parking spaces.
[35:52.960 --> 35:53.960]  What do we do?
[35:53.960 --> 35:54.960]  Okay, let me- Okay, no, no, no.
[35:54.960 --> 35:55.960]  I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.
[35:55.960 --> 36:01.000]  Look, look, I don't want to hear about no more statute, everybody knows about the statute,
[36:01.000 --> 36:02.000]  what do you do?
[36:02.000 --> 36:09.560]  Okay, this goes to art, at some point we have to exercise art, the prosecuting attorney
[36:09.560 --> 36:19.120]  shall not secret evidence that may negate the innocence of the accused or- Okay, the
[36:19.120 --> 36:26.960]  district attorney is required to fairly adjudicate the case, if he doesn't, then it's your duty
[36:26.960 --> 36:30.760]  and my duty to act, and here's how we do it.
[36:30.760 --> 36:33.280]  Okay, good, finally.
[36:33.280 --> 36:34.800]  Okay.
[36:34.800 --> 36:42.680]  We can file criminal charges with the district attorney, and the way I tend to do it is I
[36:42.680 --> 36:49.520]  make up a set of criminal complaints, in Texas we have 12 grand jurors, and like in Colorado
[36:49.520 --> 36:57.600]  we have 23, and I like 23, because with 23 you can't come up with a tie, but we only
[36:57.600 --> 37:06.560]  got 12, we can come up with a tie, and a foreman should break it, but I make up 12 criminal
[37:06.560 --> 37:13.040]  complaints and statements of probable cause, and I address one to each member of the grand
[37:13.040 --> 37:14.040]  jury.
[37:14.040 --> 37:16.800]  And you find out who the grand jurors are from?
[37:16.800 --> 37:18.280]  The county clerk.
[37:18.280 --> 37:19.280]  Okay.
[37:19.280 --> 37:23.800]  If the county clerk gives me some crap all over, that's a fight I can get into.
[37:23.800 --> 37:24.800]  9-1-1.
[37:24.800 --> 37:28.840]  Yeah, but if I don't want to get into that fight, I'll just screw that.
[37:28.840 --> 37:36.800]  I'll just say grand juror 1, grand juror 2 through 12, and I will, I can send those
[37:36.800 --> 37:46.080]  to the district attorney, actually what I'll do is send them to grand jury 1 through 12,
[37:46.080 --> 37:52.360]  the address will be the address of the district attorney's office.
[37:52.360 --> 37:53.360]  Not the judge?
[37:53.360 --> 37:59.080]  Well, that's the first, this is one, this is one way of doing it, and depending on who
[37:59.080 --> 38:05.840]  I want to set up, if I want to set up the district attorney, I'll send them to the district
[38:05.840 --> 38:09.360]  attorney, address to grand jury 1 through 12.
[38:09.360 --> 38:13.880]  But wait a minute, wait a minute, Randy, in Travis County, the grand jury has their own
[38:13.880 --> 38:14.880]  office.
[38:14.880 --> 38:16.440]  You could address it to them at their own office.
[38:16.440 --> 38:19.200]  But they don't have a different address.
[38:19.200 --> 38:23.480]  The address is the address of the district attorney.
[38:23.480 --> 38:24.480]  That is the whole problem.
[38:24.480 --> 38:25.480]  Not a problem.
[38:25.480 --> 38:26.480]  No, it is.
[38:26.480 --> 38:27.480]  No.
[38:27.480 --> 38:32.200]  I'm sending to grand jury 1, the address is the district attorney's office.
[38:32.200 --> 38:35.560]  Now the district attorney's office is not on there anywhere.
[38:35.560 --> 38:36.960]  I'm sorry, that's the whole problem.
[38:36.960 --> 38:42.160]  The grand jury has the same address as the district attorney, they are hijacking, the
[38:42.160 --> 38:45.520]  district attorney hijacking the grand jury, that's the whole freaking problem.
[38:45.520 --> 38:54.520]  If you and I live in the same apartment, and a piece of mail is sent to your name at this
[38:54.520 --> 38:59.760]  apartment address, and I take it, I'm still in violation of federal law.
[38:59.760 --> 39:05.720]  Look, that is a lame excuse because you and I both been to the criminal justice building
[39:05.720 --> 39:13.360]  here in Travis County, Guadalupe Street in Austin, and we know there are dozens of offices
[39:13.360 --> 39:18.600]  in that building, they all could easily have their own address, and I'm telling you right
[39:18.600 --> 39:25.840]  now, like I told the listeners before, that everybody's got this beautiful bronze plaque
[39:25.840 --> 39:31.800]  on their door, labeling who they are with their name engraved and all this kind of stuff,
[39:31.800 --> 39:35.960]  and you go to the grand jury office and what they have, an eight and a half by 11 piece
[39:35.960 --> 39:43.680]  of paper with Comic Sans MS font saying grand jury, and then we're kind of, oh, we're putting
[39:43.680 --> 39:48.560]  this district attorney's office, we have the same mailing address, that's crap, crap.
[39:48.560 --> 39:50.760]  Well, you don't, okay, the thing is-
[39:50.760 --> 39:53.160]  Okay, I'm sorry, I'm mad, I'm mad.
[39:53.160 --> 40:00.320]  If we send it to the grand jury member by name, either by individual name or grand jury,
[40:00.320 --> 40:07.680]  one through 12, makes no difference, the address is the same address we would send something
[40:07.680 --> 40:12.160]  to the grand, to the attorney, to the district attorney.
[40:12.160 --> 40:13.160]  If the district attorney-
[40:13.160 --> 40:14.160]  Why not the judge?
[40:14.160 --> 40:19.240]  That's second, that's why I'm saying this is a matter of art.
[40:19.240 --> 40:26.560]  The first strategy, send it to the grand jury with the address of the district attorney
[40:26.560 --> 40:27.560]  on it.
[40:27.560 --> 40:34.920]  If the district attorney secrets the documents from the grand jury, we charge the district
[40:34.920 --> 40:43.200]  attorney with mail fraud, and if, okay, now how do we know that the district attorney
[40:43.200 --> 40:47.520]  did not give the complaints to the grand jury?
[40:47.520 --> 40:49.560]  Because of the minutes.
[40:49.560 --> 40:50.560]  Minutes of the grand jury.
[40:50.560 --> 40:54.400]  Okay, okay, look, I want to, Randy, I want to pause you for a second, look, listeners,
[40:54.400 --> 41:00.880]  sorry, that's Randy's bedtime, but I want to make a statement here and a comment.
[41:00.880 --> 41:06.280]  What we are talking about is taking back our republic, taking back our government, taking
[41:06.280 --> 41:14.640]  back our liberty, and honestly, we're winging it just as much as anybody else is, okay?
[41:14.640 --> 41:21.360]  Wendy goes, and on the day of the empaneling of the grand juries, she acts like she works
[41:21.360 --> 41:26.480]  for the court and hands, oh, you were, are you here for the jury empaneling, and hands
[41:26.480 --> 41:32.720]  people the packages of the criminal complaints to 50 people who are prospective grand jury
[41:32.720 --> 41:33.720]  members.
[41:33.720 --> 41:39.400]  Okay, Randy and I have talked about going and putting packages under the windshield
[41:39.400 --> 41:47.320]  wipers of the cars of the grand jury members of the parking spaces at 10th at Guadalupe
[41:47.320 --> 41:53.560]  Street here in Austin, mailing them to the district attorney's address, mailing them
[41:53.560 --> 42:02.640]  to the judge's address, I'm talking, standing on the sidewalk and asking people as they
[42:02.640 --> 42:08.400]  walk in and out of the building, are you in the grand jury, and giving them a package.
[42:08.400 --> 42:13.760]  Listen, people, this is do or die, this is a matter of survival.
[42:13.760 --> 42:20.240]  We have to get these documents to our grand jury members, come hell or high water, no
[42:20.240 --> 42:24.760]  matter what, and we just got to figure it out on our own, that's what it sounds like
[42:24.760 --> 42:25.760]  to me.
[42:25.760 --> 42:28.280]  Yeah, exactly, this is what makes them crazy.
[42:28.280 --> 42:29.760]  Come up with your own strategy.
[42:29.760 --> 42:38.720]  Yeah, see, the problem they have is, you and I are sovereign citizens, and they cannot
[42:38.720 --> 42:51.480]  like what we do, but unless what we do violates some very specifically delineated statutory
[42:51.480 --> 42:55.120]  restriction, we can do anything we want to.
[42:55.120 --> 42:59.120]  Yeah, but you have to be careful because we go stand out in the corner and trying to give
[42:59.120 --> 43:00.600]  out packages to people.
[43:00.600 --> 43:02.640]  Okay, I've checked, I've checked.
[43:02.640 --> 43:08.120]  There is nothing in the law that says that I cannot talk to the foreman of the grand
[43:08.120 --> 43:09.600]  jury while he's sitting on the toilet.
[43:09.600 --> 43:14.760]  Yeah, but Randy, sometimes the law, it just doesn't matter because they'll just throw
[43:14.760 --> 43:17.920]  your butt in jail if they don't like what you're doing.
[43:17.920 --> 43:18.920]  They have.
[43:18.920 --> 43:19.920]  Oh, they have.
[43:19.920 --> 43:20.920]  They only do it once.
[43:20.920 --> 43:21.920]  Oh, come on.
[43:21.920 --> 43:22.920]  Can I ask a question?
[43:22.920 --> 43:23.920]  Go ahead, Randy.
[43:23.920 --> 43:30.080]  Well, okay, I gather that I should file a criminal complaint based on what the judge
[43:30.080 --> 43:34.840]  has done, send it to the district attorney, puts him on notice, I'm sure he's going to
[43:34.840 --> 43:35.840]  call her.
[43:35.840 --> 43:39.800]  Should I then file some kind of a deal with the court saying I'm dismissing the judge
[43:39.800 --> 43:40.800]  for cause?
[43:40.800 --> 43:45.400]  You should file a motion disqualifying the judge for cause.
[43:45.400 --> 43:47.400]  Okay, motion to disqualify.
[43:47.400 --> 43:48.400]  Yeah.
[43:48.400 --> 43:49.760]  And then the judge has to deal with it.
[43:49.760 --> 43:50.760]  Criminal complaint.
[43:50.760 --> 43:51.760]  Okay.
[43:51.760 --> 43:59.920]  When you file a complaint with the district attorney, if you do it kind of subtly, like
[43:59.920 --> 44:08.800]  gee whiz, I'm just an ordinary Joe six pack off the street, and I don't know diddly squat,
[44:08.800 --> 44:18.760]  and you get the prosecuting attorney not to give your complaint to the grand jury, then
[44:18.760 --> 44:22.840]  you file against the district attorney.
[44:22.840 --> 44:31.400]  And the way I do it is I go in and try to set a public official up to violate the law.
[44:31.400 --> 44:32.400]  So that...
[44:32.400 --> 44:35.800]  I guess my question goes to, I still got to deal with this JP.
[44:35.800 --> 44:39.720]  I don't want them to toss me in the clink while I'm doing all this other stuff.
[44:39.720 --> 44:40.720]  How do I avoid that?
[44:40.720 --> 44:41.720]  Disqualify the judge.
[44:41.720 --> 44:42.720]  Okay.
[44:42.720 --> 44:47.000]  Just file a motion to disqualify.
[44:47.000 --> 44:50.480]  It goes on to trespass ab initio.
[44:50.480 --> 44:55.880]  The judge only has authority to adjudicate law.
[44:55.880 --> 44:59.600]  If he violates law, he becomes a criminal.
[44:59.600 --> 45:03.360]  Now they're accusing you of class C misdemeanor.
[45:03.360 --> 45:04.360]  C.
[45:04.360 --> 45:05.360]  Right.
[45:05.360 --> 45:12.240]  If the judge violates a law relating to his office, that's a class A misdemeanor.
[45:12.240 --> 45:20.640]  And when the judge violates a law relating to his office, he becomes a trespasser ab
[45:20.640 --> 45:25.040]  initio from the beginning and all his acts are defeated.
[45:25.040 --> 45:28.000]  So this is how we tie them up.
[45:28.000 --> 45:31.480]  And I tend to play this like playing chess.
[45:31.480 --> 45:36.960]  Now, do you have a motion like this on your website, something pretty similar to this?
[45:36.960 --> 45:38.960]  Come on, Randy.
[45:38.960 --> 45:41.960]  Do I have this particular one?
[45:41.960 --> 45:42.960]  Look.
[45:42.960 --> 45:43.960]  That is a good question.
[45:43.960 --> 45:44.960]  It's way past Randy's bedtime.
[45:44.960 --> 45:45.960]  Look.
[45:45.960 --> 45:46.960]  Okay.
[45:46.960 --> 45:47.960]  Disqualifying the judge.
[45:47.960 --> 45:48.960]  Dude, if you don't have a disqualifying...
[45:48.960 --> 45:49.960]  That is annoying.
[45:49.960 --> 45:50.960]  After all this time.
[45:50.960 --> 45:51.960]  You don't have a motion to disqualify a judge on the website after all this time.
[45:51.960 --> 45:52.960]  No, no, no.
[45:52.960 --> 45:53.960]  What is wrong with you?
[45:53.960 --> 46:06.960]  Not a municipal judge in a class C misdemeanor case.
[46:06.960 --> 46:07.960]  Actually I don't.
[46:07.960 --> 46:08.960]  Well.
[46:08.960 --> 46:13.880]  I tend to go after district judges.
[46:13.880 --> 46:17.320]  I tend to try to go up as high as I can, as quickly as I can.
[46:17.320 --> 46:18.320]  And actually I don't.
[46:18.320 --> 46:20.960]  I need to write this one.
[46:20.960 --> 46:21.960]  I'm glad you...
[46:21.960 --> 46:22.960]  Crap.
[46:22.960 --> 46:23.960]  I feel like...
[46:23.960 --> 46:25.800]  I feel stupid because you asked me that question.
[46:25.800 --> 46:27.920]  I should have had that ready for you.
[46:27.920 --> 46:28.920]  He already does.
[46:28.920 --> 46:29.920]  He's just...
[46:29.920 --> 46:30.920]  I'll get it ready.
[46:30.920 --> 46:31.920]  Okay.
[46:31.920 --> 46:32.920]  Randy, look.
[46:32.920 --> 46:33.920]  I don't have one for the...
[46:33.920 --> 46:34.920]  We don't have one for the county yet.
[46:34.920 --> 46:35.920]  No, no.
[46:35.920 --> 46:36.920]  County.
[46:36.920 --> 46:38.920]  I think I've got one for the county.
[46:38.920 --> 46:39.920]  I don't...
[46:39.920 --> 46:42.920]  What I don't have one is for the municipal and justice of the police court.
[46:42.920 --> 46:43.920]  He doesn't...
[46:43.920 --> 46:44.920]  He's not dealing with the municipal.
[46:44.920 --> 46:45.920]  He's dealing with the county.
[46:45.920 --> 46:46.920]  Well.
[46:46.920 --> 46:47.920]  JP.
[46:47.920 --> 46:48.920]  JP.
[46:48.920 --> 46:49.920]  Yeah.
[46:49.920 --> 46:51.920]  Municipal and JP are essentially the same.
[46:51.920 --> 46:52.920]  No.
[46:52.920 --> 46:53.920]  Because he's...
[46:53.920 --> 46:54.920]  Yeah.
[46:54.920 --> 46:55.920]  They fall under a set of rules.
[46:55.920 --> 46:56.920]  No.
[46:56.920 --> 46:57.920]  Because he's not in the annex municipality of any...
[46:57.920 --> 46:58.920]  No.
[46:58.920 --> 46:59.920]  No.
[46:59.920 --> 47:04.920]  Municipal judges and justice judges fall under Chapter 45.
[47:04.920 --> 47:05.920]  Okay.
[47:05.920 --> 47:08.920]  So they fall under essentially the same set of rules.
[47:08.920 --> 47:09.920]  Wait.
[47:09.920 --> 47:10.920]  Wait.
[47:10.920 --> 47:11.920]  Randy.
[47:11.920 --> 47:12.920]  Randy, the...
[47:12.920 --> 47:13.920]  Okay.
[47:13.920 --> 47:18.360]  The presiding judge or justice in your case, is this a legitimate judge or is this just
[47:18.360 --> 47:19.360]  a justice of the peace?
[47:19.360 --> 47:20.360]  Just the justice of the peace.
[47:20.360 --> 47:21.360]  Wait.
[47:21.360 --> 47:27.360]  The justice of the peace is as legitimate as it gets for the people elected.
[47:27.360 --> 47:28.360]  Okay.
[47:28.360 --> 47:29.360]  Okay.
[47:29.360 --> 47:30.360]  Well, I'm sorry.
[47:30.360 --> 47:31.360]  I'm sorry.
[47:31.360 --> 47:32.360]  Wrong terminology.
[47:32.360 --> 47:33.360]  Municipal.
[47:33.360 --> 47:34.360]  Hold on.
[47:34.360 --> 47:35.360]  Wrong terminology.
[47:35.360 --> 47:36.360]  Infected.
[47:36.360 --> 47:37.360]  Inferior.
[47:37.360 --> 47:38.360]  Official.
[47:38.360 --> 47:39.360]  Not an elected judge.
[47:39.360 --> 47:40.360]  Okay.
[47:40.360 --> 47:41.360]  That's what I'm talking about.
[47:41.360 --> 47:42.360]  Do you know if this...
[47:42.360 --> 47:43.360]  He's an ex-attorney.
[47:43.360 --> 47:44.360]  He is an attorney?
[47:44.360 --> 47:45.360]  No.
[47:45.360 --> 47:46.360]  It says she.
[47:46.360 --> 47:47.360]  Is she an attorney?
[47:47.360 --> 47:48.360]  She was an attorney.
[47:48.360 --> 47:49.360]  Oh, good.
[47:49.360 --> 47:50.360]  Wait.
[47:50.360 --> 47:51.360]  Wait.
[47:51.360 --> 47:52.360]  Where is this court?
[47:52.360 --> 47:55.360]  Is this in downtown Austin?
[47:55.360 --> 47:56.360]  Where's the court?
[47:56.360 --> 47:59.360]  It's over there off of Highway 71.
[47:59.360 --> 48:00.360]  You know, just past the...
[48:00.360 --> 48:01.360]  Okay.
[48:01.360 --> 48:02.360]  Good.
[48:02.360 --> 48:03.360]  What is that?
[48:03.360 --> 48:05.360]  There's an election over there.
[48:05.360 --> 48:10.360]  If she is an attorney, you get to file a bar grievance against her.
[48:10.360 --> 48:11.360]  Oh, boy.
[48:11.360 --> 48:12.360]  Here we go.
[48:12.360 --> 48:13.360]  Oh, this is a hoot.
[48:13.360 --> 48:20.360]  Bar grievances are probably the most powerful tool we have.
[48:20.360 --> 48:23.360]  She is probably an attorney.
[48:23.360 --> 48:29.360]  You know, she adjudicates cases, and she's also a municipal or a justice of the peace
[48:29.360 --> 48:32.360]  judge, so she can do both.
[48:32.360 --> 48:41.360]  If you file bar grievances against her for what she does as a JP, it will absolutely
[48:41.360 --> 48:45.360]  eliminate her career as a judge, as an attorney.
[48:45.360 --> 48:46.360]  Okay, look.
[48:46.360 --> 48:54.360]  This is a very interesting case that I want us to study and really get into in depth because
[48:54.360 --> 48:59.360]  this deals with jurisdiction that's outside of Annex Municipality.
[48:59.360 --> 49:00.360]  Yeah.
[49:00.360 --> 49:01.360]  Okay.
[49:01.360 --> 49:07.360]  This is strictly county, strictly county, and that's it.
[49:07.360 --> 49:09.360]  And I like that.
[49:09.360 --> 49:10.360]  I like that.
[49:10.360 --> 49:11.360]  Okay.
[49:11.360 --> 49:13.360]  This is where we can really beat them up.
[49:13.360 --> 49:17.360]  We're going to win this not at the top, but at the bottom.
[49:17.360 --> 49:18.360]  Okay.
[49:18.360 --> 49:26.360]  This JP, okay, apparently has some jurisdiction at the county realm, but this has nothing
[49:26.360 --> 49:29.360]  to do with any municipality, and this is not district.
[49:29.360 --> 49:31.360]  This is not state.
[49:31.360 --> 49:32.360]  Right.
[49:32.360 --> 49:33.360]  Okay.
[49:33.360 --> 49:34.360]  This is county.
[49:34.360 --> 49:45.360]  This JP, part of a county court enforcing county commissioners' courts ordinances,
[49:45.360 --> 49:51.860]  and this is basically what I would call getting into cowboy law because there's not much going
[49:51.860 --> 49:59.360]  on to enforce county commissioners' statutes or ordinances or whatever it's actually called.
[49:59.360 --> 50:08.360]  If she carries a bar card, she is ultimately vulnerable, so file a bar grievance against
[50:08.360 --> 50:09.360]  her.
[50:09.360 --> 50:10.360]  Well, yeah, that too.
[50:10.360 --> 50:16.860]  She probably has a private practice and just sits as a JP on this court like once a week
[50:16.860 --> 50:17.860]  or something.
[50:17.860 --> 50:19.360]  Make a few extra bucks.
[50:19.360 --> 50:20.360]  Exactly.
[50:20.360 --> 50:23.360]  So let's stinger really good.
[50:23.360 --> 50:24.360]  Exactly.
[50:24.360 --> 50:25.360]  Ruin her practice.
[50:25.360 --> 50:33.360]  Judicial conduct complaint, you can go on State of Texas Judicial Conduct and download
[50:33.360 --> 50:34.360]  the form.
[50:34.360 --> 50:35.360]  Fill out the form.
[50:35.360 --> 50:36.360]  File it.
[50:36.360 --> 50:38.360]  File a claim against her bond.
[50:38.360 --> 50:39.360]  Yeah.
[50:39.360 --> 50:43.360]  Then you can go to the State Bar Association and download their form.
[50:43.360 --> 50:45.360]  Fill it out and file it.
[50:45.360 --> 50:48.360]  File a claim against her malpractice?
[50:48.360 --> 50:51.360]  This will screw her big time.
[50:51.360 --> 50:52.360]  Yeah.
[50:52.360 --> 50:58.360]  See, this is what Randy and I have just started getting into.
[50:58.360 --> 51:05.360]  Instead of always going the strictly purest statutory route, okay, high and mighty, pie
[51:05.360 --> 51:13.360]  in the sky, ivory tower, remedy, constitutional, everything, well, let's start hitting them
[51:13.360 --> 51:15.360]  where it hurts.
[51:15.360 --> 51:18.360]  Hit them for our bar grievances.
[51:18.360 --> 51:19.360]  Liquidate their bonds.
[51:19.360 --> 51:20.360]  Okay.
[51:20.360 --> 51:22.360]  Hit them with commercial law.
[51:22.360 --> 51:24.360]  Find out where investments...
[51:24.360 --> 51:26.360]  Kick them in the groin.
[51:26.360 --> 51:28.360]  Investments that they have in their stocks.
[51:28.360 --> 51:31.360]  File a lawsuit against their wives and stuff like that.
[51:31.360 --> 51:32.360]  Okay.
[51:32.360 --> 51:37.360]  We don't always have to take it into court or to the grand jury, okay, because you know
[51:37.360 --> 51:38.360]  what?
[51:38.360 --> 51:39.360]  Everything is fair.
[51:39.360 --> 51:42.360]  All is fair in love and war, and this is war.
[51:42.360 --> 51:45.360]  Bar grievance is a kick in the groin.
[51:45.360 --> 51:46.360]  I'm telling you.
[51:46.360 --> 51:56.360]  If this municipal judge or JP has a bar card, a bar grievance is a kick in the groin.
[51:56.360 --> 51:57.360]  Okay, look.
[51:57.360 --> 51:58.360]  Let me tell you why.
[51:58.360 --> 51:59.360]  Dude, look.
[51:59.360 --> 52:00.360]  We're getting more callers.
[52:00.360 --> 52:01.360]  It's one.
[52:01.360 --> 52:02.360]  Okay.
[52:02.360 --> 52:03.360]  Randy.
[52:03.360 --> 52:04.360]  Okay.
[52:04.360 --> 52:05.360]  Just a second.
[52:05.360 --> 52:08.360]  A bar grievance is a kick in the groin, and here's the reason.
[52:08.360 --> 52:17.360]  If you file a bar grievance against an attorney, the state bar will throw it in the trash.
[52:17.360 --> 52:18.360]  They do nothing.
[52:18.360 --> 52:19.360]  Yes.
[52:19.360 --> 52:20.360]  They treat them all the same.
[52:20.360 --> 52:21.360]  And that's a good thing.
[52:21.360 --> 52:26.360]  The reason it's a good thing is their insurance carrier knows they will throw it in the trash.
[52:26.360 --> 52:27.360]  Yes.
[52:27.360 --> 52:28.360]  So they just look at the claims.
[52:28.360 --> 52:29.360]  Yeah.
[52:29.360 --> 52:34.360]  Whether it's a valid bar grievance or an invalid bar grievance, they throw it in the trash.
[52:34.360 --> 52:41.360]  So the only way the insurance carrier can evaluate their level of risk is by the number.
[52:41.360 --> 52:47.360]  So if I file a bar grievance against my attorney claiming that my attorney parts his hair on
[52:47.360 --> 52:48.360]  the left.
[52:48.360 --> 52:49.360]  Yes, yes, yes.
[52:49.360 --> 52:52.360]  Therefore, he is an unscrupulous attorney.
[52:52.360 --> 52:53.360]  The bar grievance will get that.
[52:53.360 --> 52:54.360]  Okay.
[52:54.360 --> 52:57.360]  Well, I'm going to file a bar grievance just saying he's an attorney and so he's unscrupulous.
[52:57.360 --> 52:58.360]  Okay.
[52:58.360 --> 53:02.360]  So the bar will get that and throw it in the trash.
[53:02.360 --> 53:11.360]  But the insurance carrier knows that if I file an exceptionally well-structured bar grievance
[53:11.360 --> 53:18.360]  based on well-grounded allegations, the bar is going to throw that in the trash.
[53:18.360 --> 53:22.360]  So how can they evaluate their level of risk?
[53:22.360 --> 53:23.360]  Only by the numbers.
[53:23.360 --> 53:27.360]  So it doesn't make any difference what you file against them for.
[53:27.360 --> 53:29.360]  The numbers screw them.
[53:29.360 --> 53:37.360]  I have a question from Russell Mortland in his case on a... What was it?
[53:37.360 --> 53:40.360]  What do you call it?
[53:40.360 --> 53:41.360]  Braindead.
[53:41.360 --> 53:44.360]  I hate when I get old.
[53:44.360 --> 53:46.360]  What do you call it?
[53:46.360 --> 53:49.360]  They were prosecuting him.
[53:49.360 --> 53:51.360]  No, and you can't pay your bills.
[53:51.360 --> 53:52.360]  I hate that.
[53:52.360 --> 53:55.360]  You can't pay your bills, prosecute him for not paying the bills.
[53:55.360 --> 53:58.360]  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[53:58.360 --> 54:01.360]  I hate this.
[54:01.360 --> 54:04.360]  What are you talking about they're prosecuting Russell for?
[54:04.360 --> 54:08.360]  He filed for bankruptcy.
[54:08.360 --> 54:10.360]  The attorney come before the court.
[54:10.360 --> 54:15.360]  The first set of attorneys quit, and then the second set of attorneys took over.
[54:15.360 --> 54:19.360]  The first set of attorneys, one of the attorneys came to the court and said,
[54:19.360 --> 54:23.360]  Mr. Mortland filed three bar grievances against me.
[54:23.360 --> 54:29.360]  The next year, our law firm almost couldn't get to malpractice insurance,
[54:29.360 --> 54:33.360]  and when we did, it almost doubled our premium.
[54:33.360 --> 54:34.360]  Oh, wah.
[54:34.360 --> 54:37.360]  That's what bar grievances are good for.
[54:37.360 --> 54:39.360]  Oh, wah, wah, wah, wah.
[54:39.360 --> 54:41.360]  We don't beat them at law.
[54:41.360 --> 54:43.360]  Hit them in the pocketbook.
[54:43.360 --> 54:44.360]  Exactly.
[54:44.360 --> 54:49.360]  What I say, what I've always told Randy, grab the pocketbook,
[54:49.360 --> 54:54.360]  grab the wallet, and kick them in the jail cell in the way of the door.
[54:54.360 --> 55:03.360]  So everybody should look on the internet and find literature on malpractice.
[55:03.360 --> 55:06.360]  Malpractice, bar grievances, liquidate bonds.
[55:06.360 --> 55:07.360]  Yeah.
[55:07.360 --> 55:13.360]  Every issue for which you could sue an attorney for malpractice,
[55:13.360 --> 55:15.360]  you can file a bar grievance.
[55:15.360 --> 55:20.360]  Yeah, and what about conflict of interest if these judges have stakes
[55:20.360 --> 55:25.360]  and investments that are related to these cases?
[55:25.360 --> 55:28.360]  I mean, there's a whole other realm of commercial law
[55:28.360 --> 55:31.360]  that I'm just starting to learn about.
[55:31.360 --> 55:32.360]  Yeah.
[55:32.360 --> 55:35.360]  Okay, look, the point is there's all kinds of ways to get these guys, okay?
[55:35.360 --> 55:37.360]  All kinds of ways, all right?
[55:37.360 --> 55:40.360]  We just have to start using them.
[55:40.360 --> 55:43.360]  All kinds of ways, all kinds of games.
[55:43.360 --> 55:49.360]  I mean, you know, Randy will go, you know, he'll go and, you know,
[55:49.360 --> 55:51.360]  we'll play good cop, bad cop, all right?
[55:51.360 --> 55:55.360]  He'll go and act like the jerk and distract the prosecutor,
[55:55.360 --> 56:00.360]  and I'll go and wear a short skirt and, you know, a low-cut top
[56:00.360 --> 56:04.360]  and, you know, schmooze up with the grand jerk or whatever.
[56:04.360 --> 56:11.360]  I mean, look, we've got to use whatever we have because this is war, man.
[56:11.360 --> 56:16.360]  My favorite experience was when I was working over a captain
[56:16.360 --> 56:19.360]  on the sheriff's department in Williamson County
[56:19.360 --> 56:24.360]  trying to get the name of a sheriff's deputy
[56:24.360 --> 56:28.360]  who wouldn't verify criminal affidavit for an inmate,
[56:28.360 --> 56:30.360]  and Deborah came over and said,
[56:30.360 --> 56:35.360]  well, she said she would try to get this guy's name, and I said,
[56:35.360 --> 56:39.360]  Debbie, I don't really know who he is,
[56:39.360 --> 56:42.360]  and I'm just working over this lieutenant
[56:42.360 --> 56:48.360]  so that when I go after the guy who wouldn't verify the document,
[56:48.360 --> 56:50.360]  I can accuse the lieutenant of doing it.
[56:50.360 --> 56:52.360]  Yeah, he's just trying to get everybody's feathers ruffled.
[56:52.360 --> 56:54.360]  Yeah, just jerk him around. We can do that.
[56:54.360 --> 56:55.360]  Look, do we have like...
[56:55.360 --> 56:56.360]  Let's go to questions.
[56:56.360 --> 56:58.360]  We have like six colors way on the line.
[56:58.360 --> 57:00.360]  We're having too much fun here.
[57:00.360 --> 57:03.360]  Randy, did we kind of answer your question?
[57:03.360 --> 57:05.360]  I don't know. We've lost track.
[57:05.360 --> 57:08.360]  Hey, Randy, do you want me to send you this notice to appear,
[57:08.360 --> 57:12.360]  one that lays out that that's supposed to be for a conference with the...
[57:12.360 --> 57:13.360]  Absolutely.
[57:13.360 --> 57:14.360]  Yes.
[57:13.360 --> 57:17.360]  Think it to me, and I will craft you an answer.
[57:17.360 --> 57:20.360]  Yes, and I want you to post that on the forum, too,
[57:20.360 --> 57:25.360]  about especially the document where the judge ordered you
[57:25.360 --> 57:27.360]  to appear to meet with a prosecutor.
[57:27.360 --> 57:29.360]  That is outrageous.
[57:29.360 --> 57:32.360]  I want that. I want to see that. I want that everywhere.
[57:32.360 --> 57:36.360]  In Denton County, I was ordered to appear before the court,
[57:36.360 --> 57:41.360]  to appear before a prosecutor, and I refused to talk to the prosecutor.
[57:41.360 --> 57:43.360]  That was a hoot.
[57:43.360 --> 57:44.360]  Come on, Randy.
[57:44.360 --> 57:45.360]  Okay, let's go to the next caller.
[57:45.360 --> 57:47.360]  Enough stories from you. We have callers.
[57:47.360 --> 57:50.360]  Okay, Randy, call back in on Monday, okay?
[57:50.360 --> 57:51.360]  Okay.
[57:51.360 --> 57:52.360]  All right, thanks.
[57:52.360 --> 57:54.360]  We're having too much fun today.
[57:54.360 --> 57:56.360]  Randy said... Okay, I've got to keep him in line.
[57:56.360 --> 57:59.360]  All right, here we go.
[57:59.360 --> 58:04.360]  Okay, callers, thank you for waiting all the way up to the middle of the night.
[58:04.360 --> 58:07.360]  We're not going to quit until we take everyone's calls.
[58:07.360 --> 58:09.360]  All right, we've got Mike, Scott, and Jim.
[58:09.360 --> 58:10.360]  We're going to Mike.
[58:10.360 --> 58:13.360]  Okay, Mike, what's on your mind tonight?
[58:13.360 --> 58:16.360]  Well, hello. I've been on the line for a while.
[58:16.360 --> 58:19.360]  I know. I know. It's all Randy's fault.
[58:19.360 --> 58:21.360]  I know we're having too much fun tonight.
[58:21.360 --> 58:25.360]  This has been like a great, a great show.
[58:25.360 --> 58:29.360]  I mean, there's been some great callers who call in some really great information.
[58:29.360 --> 58:34.360]  Hey, I'm calling about George in Texas.
[58:34.360 --> 58:37.360]  Wait, wait, wait. We have to give George credit.
[58:37.360 --> 58:40.360]  He's a truck driver. You have to take that into consideration.
[58:40.360 --> 58:42.360]  Would you like to call or talk once in a while?
[58:42.360 --> 58:44.360]  Okay, okay. Pick it on George, okay?
[58:44.360 --> 58:47.360]  Okay, go ahead, Mike. I'm going to mute his mic.
[58:47.360 --> 58:53.360]  Okay, this is great. Okay, first of all, and this goes for everybody.
[58:53.360 --> 59:00.360]  First of all, the first thing you should do if you get calls from debt collectors,
[59:00.360 --> 59:07.360]  Google Fair Debt Collection Practices Act of 1978.
[59:07.360 --> 59:09.360]  Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[59:09.360 --> 59:12.360]  Bear B-A-R?
[59:12.360 --> 59:15.360]  No.
[59:15.360 --> 59:17.360]  No, it's fair, F-A-R.
[59:17.360 --> 59:18.360]  Oh, fair.
[59:18.360 --> 59:22.360]  Fair, as if there's anything fair about it.
[59:22.360 --> 59:24.360]  Okay, I'm familiar with that.
[59:24.360 --> 59:25.360]  He needs some coffee.
[59:25.360 --> 59:26.360]  No, no, no.
[59:26.360 --> 59:27.360]  Excuse us.
[59:27.360 --> 59:34.360]  No, Fair Debt Collections Act, IRS is exempt from that, but his credit cards aren't.
[59:34.360 --> 59:40.360]  Yeah, the next thing, the next question he needs to answer is,
[59:40.360 --> 59:46.360]  is it a retail account or is it a commercial account?
[59:46.360 --> 59:52.360]  And then the next question after that is going to be, is it in-house?
[59:52.360 --> 59:58.360]  In other words, is it still with Citibank or has it been sent to a third-party collection agency?
[59:58.360 --> 01:00:00.360]  Wait a minute, wait a minute.
[01:00:00.360 --> 01:00:01.360]  Okay, I'm sorry.
[01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.360]  Wait a minute, who am I talking to?
[01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.360]  You obviously know more about this issue than I do.
[01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:16.360]  Look, dude, listen, listen, we are, look, we're Ivory Tower, Pine and Sky Statutory, Constitutionalist.
[01:00:16.360 --> 01:00:18.360]  You're asking all kinds of complex commercial law questions.
[01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:20.360]  You need to talk to Mike Bider.
[01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:22.360]  No, wait, wait, wait.
[01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:24.360]  Who am I talking to?
[01:00:24.360 --> 01:00:25.360]  My name is Mike Grove.
[01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.360]  I'm out of Houston, Texas, and I was a debt collector for about 10 years.
[01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.360]  Send me an email, please.
[01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.360]  Okay, well, yeah, I could do that.
[01:00:34.360 --> 01:00:47.360]  I'm just, I wanted to get this across to George and to the listeners that he's pretty much got these people by the short and curly that this is a retail account.
[01:00:47.360 --> 01:00:49.360]  Okay, okay, Mike.
[01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:51.360]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
[01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:59.360]  Mike, since you obviously know more about this than us, can you please explain what the difference is between a retail account and a commercial account because I don't know.
[01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:00.360]  Tell us.
[01:01:00.360 --> 01:01:01.360]  Yeah, sure.
[01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:14.360]  A retail account is just like a regular retail credit card, okay, like a Visa MasterCard that you, you know, Dillard's or, you know, store credit card, anything that you make retail purchases with.
[01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:19.360]  If the account is a commercial account, then that would mean that it would be under some type of a business name.
[01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:24.360]  It would be used for commercial purposes, like a company account or something like that.
[01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:27.360]  Yeah, like when I was in the construction business.
[01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:34.360]  So a retail, wait, wait, hold on, so a retail account would be for making retail purchases?
[01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:35.360]  Right.
[01:01:35.360 --> 01:01:37.360]  I used to build donut shops.
[01:01:37.360 --> 01:01:50.360]  And a commercial account would be used for dealing with any kind of, any kind of business transactions related directly to the business, whether it's retail or not?
[01:01:50.360 --> 01:01:51.360]  Correct.
[01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:53.360]  Okay, okay, okay, okay, I got it.
[01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.360]  Okay, so Randy was right.
[01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:12.360]  You need to, anytime you get a call from a debt collector, you need to record it and string that guy along as long as you can, just give him plenty of rope to hang himself with, okay, because there's plenty.
[01:02:12.360 --> 01:02:28.360]  If this is, if it's a retail account, man, he's really got him, because they're not supposed to disclose any information about that debt to anybody other than the person whose name is on that account.
[01:02:28.360 --> 01:02:49.360]  And if it's a commercial account, and if it's in either commercial or retail, if it's in-house, these people, even though they're not really required, per se, to follow the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, they usually do that as a matter of policy.
[01:02:49.360 --> 01:03:11.360]  And Randy is right. If you call in there, and you get somebody high up in the company, and you tell them, hey, man, you know, one of your collectors called me, and I'm not even the person on the account, and he's making all kinds of threats, you know, then you're probably not going to hear from that collector again.
[01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:14.360]  They may just leave it alone.
[01:03:14.360 --> 01:03:17.360]  What is in-house when you say that? What does that mean?
[01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:25.360]  That means that it's with the original issuer of the credit. In other words, he had mentioned it's a Citibank account.
[01:03:25.360 --> 01:03:37.360]  So if it hasn't been sent to an outside agency, or if it hasn't been sent to an attorney, then that means it's still in-house. It's still with Citibank, and it's with their collections department.
[01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:38.360]  Okay.
[01:03:38.360 --> 01:03:52.360]  So you get the head of their collections department on the phone and tell them, you know, well, if you record the conversation, you just play it back to the collections manager and say, these are the kind of people that are calling me.
[01:03:52.360 --> 01:04:00.360]  I'm not even on the account, and they're trying to make me pay this thing, you know, where we just had a death in the family, for God's sake, you know.
[01:04:00.360 --> 01:04:10.360]  That will probably, well, that will get them off his back. You know, he's not even tied to this account at all.
[01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:13.360]  So they shouldn't even be contacting him at all.
[01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:27.360]  If this is a retail account, and it has been sent to a third-party collection agency, and they are contacting George, and they're disclosing information about this death,
[01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:35.360]  and they're attempting to collect the debt from him, they are violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.
[01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:45.360]  Okay. Mike, could you please explain to our listeners, what is the Fair Debt Collections Act? What does that mean? What is the language in that statute?
[01:04:45.360 --> 01:04:58.360]  Before 1978, debt collectors used to use all kinds of thick, scary tactics to try to collect money.
[01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.360]  I mean, I have heard some really crazy stories.
[01:05:01.360 --> 01:05:18.360]  So it apparently got to the attention of Congress, and they passed this act to outlaw certain practices, unethical practices.
[01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:31.360]  And so it outlined when you can contact a debtor, who you are supposed to speak to, how you are to conduct yourself.
[01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:45.360]  One of the things in the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act is you cannot threaten a debtor with any action that you do not intend to take.
[01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:54.360]  In other words, if I call you up and say, hey, you owe Citibank $500, and if you don't pay it, I'm going to garnish your wages.
[01:05:54.360 --> 01:06:08.360]  Well, I really doubt that Citibank is going to try to garnish your wages over $500. It just doesn't make any sense, and they won't do it.
[01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:10.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:06:10.360 --> 01:06:13.360]  That is a violation of the Act.
[01:06:13.360 --> 01:06:19.360]  Wait a minute. Credit cards can't garnish your wages, can they?
[01:06:19.360 --> 01:06:22.360]  Well, they certainly can't in Texas.
[01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:24.360]  You cannot do that in Texas.
[01:06:24.360 --> 01:06:32.360]  You cannot attach bank accounts or property or anything like that in reference to any retail accounts.
[01:06:32.360 --> 01:06:34.360]  You can't do it.
[01:06:34.360 --> 01:06:44.360]  And you can't even threaten the debtor that you're going to sue them unless they really intend to sue.
[01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:55.360]  I worked at an attorney's office, and we got the debts way down the line, and they were high balances,
[01:06:55.360 --> 01:07:08.360]  and there were very strict rules that you do not tell anybody that we're going to sue them until we've made a determination that we are going to sue them.
[01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:18.360]  So there are very strict rules regarding any kind of retail credit, especially if it's with a third-party agency.
[01:07:18.360 --> 01:07:23.360]  Now, this is where it gets really, really interesting.
[01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:32.360]  Once you've recorded a collector violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act,
[01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:41.360]  all you've got to do is call the attorney general's office and plan the recording and tell him.
[01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:48.360]  But, you know, just like Deborah was saying earlier, you look over the laws, you listen to the conversation,
[01:07:48.360 --> 01:07:52.360]  and you go, there's a violation, there's one, there's one, there's one, this one.
[01:07:52.360 --> 01:08:01.360]  Guess what? $500,000 fine. If I remember correctly, $500,000 fine for each violation.
[01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:10.360]  Okay, but Mike, it's my understanding, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, I'm always trying to learn.
[01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:14.360]  I'm always trying to learn. Excuse me, it's a little past my bedtime, too.
[01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:22.360]  I didn't think that the attorney general in this state had any prosecutorial power except in child support.
[01:08:22.360 --> 01:08:26.360]  So why would you register a complaint with the attorney general?
[01:08:26.360 --> 01:08:33.360]  Because it's my understanding that the attorney general mainly functions as a defense attorney for public officials.
[01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:41.360]  So what does the attorney general have to do with these type of commercial complaints?
[01:08:41.360 --> 01:08:52.360]  All I can tell you, I don't really understand, you know, the chain of command when it comes to the enforcement of the Act.
[01:08:52.360 --> 01:09:05.360]  All I know is this, every third-party agency that I've ever worked for is definitely afraid of an AG complaint.
[01:09:05.360 --> 01:09:12.360]  AG, wait, wait, wait, say that again. Every agency is afraid of an AG complaint.
[01:09:12.360 --> 01:09:15.360]  Right, attorney general complaint.
[01:09:15.360 --> 01:09:19.360]  An attorney, wait a minute, this is a new weapon we have.
[01:09:19.360 --> 01:09:28.360]  You cannot leave this broadcast without sending us an email.
[01:09:28.360 --> 01:09:32.360]  An attorney general complaint on an agency.
[01:09:32.360 --> 01:09:34.360]  We need you on a show.
[01:09:34.360 --> 01:09:36.360]  You're a credit agency, right?
[01:09:36.360 --> 01:09:37.360]  Is that what you're saying?
[01:09:37.360 --> 01:09:38.360]  Yeah.
[01:09:38.360 --> 01:09:40.360]  So now listen to this.
[01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:42.360]  Randy's going to love this.
[01:09:42.360 --> 01:09:44.360]  Randy's really going to love this.
[01:09:44.360 --> 01:09:49.360]  What you do is don't call the attorney general first.
[01:09:49.360 --> 01:09:52.360]  Go ahead and review the recording.
[01:09:52.360 --> 01:09:54.360]  Go over the law.
[01:09:54.360 --> 01:09:56.360]  Find all the violations.
[01:09:56.360 --> 01:10:00.360]  Then you call the owner of the collection agency.
[01:10:00.360 --> 01:10:04.360]  And you play the recording back to him.
[01:10:04.360 --> 01:10:06.360]  And you tell him, well, I got one, two, three, four, five.
[01:10:06.360 --> 01:10:07.360]  Did you hear them all?
[01:10:07.360 --> 01:10:10.360]  I got five.
[01:10:10.360 --> 01:10:12.360]  And guess what?
[01:10:12.360 --> 01:10:17.360]  My next phone call is going to be to the attorney general.
[01:10:17.360 --> 01:10:21.360]  But you'd probably rather deal with me because I'm a much nicer guy.
[01:10:21.360 --> 01:10:26.360]  See, because I'm only, my fine is only $300,000.
[01:10:26.360 --> 01:10:28.360]  Okay, so Mike, what you're...
[01:10:28.360 --> 01:10:34.360]  All you need to do, all you need to do is pay my father-in-law's debt
[01:10:34.360 --> 01:10:37.360]  and send me the rest of the $300,000.
[01:10:37.360 --> 01:10:38.360]  Okay, okay.
[01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:42.360]  So you tell these guys, instead of trying to get money out of me,
[01:10:42.360 --> 01:10:48.360]  you either pay my debt off and my family's.
[01:10:48.360 --> 01:10:54.360]  And if you don't, I'm going to file some documents with the attorney general.
[01:10:54.360 --> 01:10:56.360]  Precisely.
[01:10:56.360 --> 01:10:58.360]  What?
[01:10:58.360 --> 01:11:00.360]  You're really a jerk.
[01:11:00.360 --> 01:11:02.360]  You're a guy after my own heart.
[01:11:02.360 --> 01:11:04.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:11:04.360 --> 01:11:08.360]  I want to know more about this because I thought the attorney general
[01:11:08.360 --> 01:11:14.360]  really didn't have any much power in this state
[01:11:14.360 --> 01:11:19.360]  other than to enforce child support and to be the defense attorney
[01:11:19.360 --> 01:11:21.360]  for public officials.
[01:11:21.360 --> 01:11:28.360]  But Mike is saying that the attorney general has a considerable,
[01:11:28.360 --> 01:11:35.360]  if not ultimate, power over bureaucratic officials.
[01:11:35.360 --> 01:11:37.360]  Is that correct?
[01:11:37.360 --> 01:11:42.360]  Every single collection agency, every single third-party collection agency
[01:11:42.360 --> 01:11:50.360]  that I've ever worked for routinely tested us on the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
[01:11:50.360 --> 01:11:56.360]  for the purpose of not ever generating an attorney general complaint
[01:11:56.360 --> 01:12:03.360]  because, and I've known guys who have generated those types of complaints
[01:12:03.360 --> 01:12:08.360]  to the agencies that they've worked for.
[01:12:08.360 --> 01:12:15.360]  And they will get fined for every violation.
[01:12:15.360 --> 01:12:24.360]  Can the attorney general adjudicate actions on the Fair Debt Collections Act
[01:12:24.360 --> 01:12:28.360]  without using a local district attorney?
[01:12:28.360 --> 01:12:32.360]  That I have no idea how that works.
[01:12:32.360 --> 01:12:34.360]  I don't know the details.
[01:12:34.360 --> 01:12:39.360]  Normally what happens is when a complaint is generated,
[01:12:39.360 --> 01:12:43.360]  from my knowledge, is that's taken up with the owner
[01:12:43.360 --> 01:12:45.360]  and closed doors and then it busts it.
[01:12:45.360 --> 01:12:48.360]  Okay, okay, Mike, Mike, let me ask you something.
[01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:51.360]  We just get the brunt of his, you know.
[01:12:51.360 --> 01:12:53.360]  Okay, Mike, Mike, Mike, hold on.
[01:12:53.360 --> 01:12:55.360]  Mike, let me ask you something.
[01:12:55.360 --> 01:13:02.360]  Can you please explain the nature of this thing called an attorney general complaint?
[01:13:02.360 --> 01:13:07.360]  Is that some sort of administrative complaint?
[01:13:07.360 --> 01:13:15.360]  Or is that a criminal filing where you're asking the attorney general
[01:13:15.360 --> 01:13:18.360]  to prosecute criminally a case?
[01:13:18.360 --> 01:13:23.360]  Because it sort of sounds to me like it's an administrative thing,
[01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:26.360]  like a bar grievance.
[01:13:26.360 --> 01:13:33.360]  Can you please explain what exactly is an AG complaint in relation to a bureaucracy?
[01:13:33.360 --> 01:13:34.360]  What the hell is that?
[01:13:34.360 --> 01:13:39.360]  Well, see, I tend to think about it the same way that you do,
[01:13:39.360 --> 01:13:47.360]  is that there's some type of an administrative type of situation.
[01:13:47.360 --> 01:13:58.360]  I don't know of any court hearings or I don't know of any trials or anything like that.
[01:13:58.360 --> 01:14:07.360]  Ordinarily, what I've always gotten from it is we have generated an attorney general complaint.
[01:14:07.360 --> 01:14:13.360]  You guys better go over the FDCPA and make sure you know it because if we...
[01:14:13.360 --> 01:14:14.360]  Wait, wait, wait, what is that?
[01:14:14.360 --> 01:14:15.360]  We're going to get fired.
[01:14:15.360 --> 01:14:16.360]  What is that?
[01:14:16.360 --> 01:14:18.360]  Or else I'm going to get fired?
[01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:19.360]  Yeah.
[01:14:19.360 --> 01:14:20.360]  Yeah.
[01:14:20.360 --> 01:14:22.360]  Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:14:22.360 --> 01:14:24.360]  Who's going to fire me?
[01:14:24.360 --> 01:14:34.360]  The owner of the collection agency will fire you if you generate an attorney general complaint.
[01:14:34.360 --> 01:14:41.360]  He doesn't want you contacting anybody in relation to his paper anymore.
[01:14:41.360 --> 01:14:44.360]  Wait, wait, wait, how can he fire me if I never work for him to begin with?
[01:14:44.360 --> 01:14:46.360]  No, no, no, no, no, no.
[01:14:46.360 --> 01:14:52.360]  What I'm saying is when you are a debt collector, when you are a debt collector
[01:14:52.360 --> 01:15:01.360]  and somebody in the office, one of your fellow debt collectors violates the FDCPA
[01:15:01.360 --> 01:15:09.360]  and generates an attorney general complaint, man, when the owner gets off of the phone with the AG,
[01:15:09.360 --> 01:15:13.360]  he comes storming out of his office.
[01:15:13.360 --> 01:15:20.360]  The guy who generates the complaint gets fired and the rest of you get grinded and told,
[01:15:20.360 --> 01:15:25.360]  don't you dare violate, make any violations in this office.
[01:15:25.360 --> 01:15:34.360]  Don't let me catch anybody violating the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act or I will fire you too.
[01:15:34.360 --> 01:15:35.360]  Randy.
[01:15:35.360 --> 01:15:38.360]  I cannot afford another complaint.
[01:15:38.360 --> 01:15:40.360]  Okay, listen, listen, I have to make a comment here.
[01:15:40.360 --> 01:15:48.360]  Okay, Randy and I have been pretty much pie in the sky, ivory tower, statutory,
[01:15:48.360 --> 01:15:53.360]  constitutionalists, purists.
[01:15:53.360 --> 01:16:03.360]  Do these guys have any idea that once Randy and I get a hold of just a little bit of this commercial law
[01:16:03.360 --> 01:16:06.360]  that we are going to do some serious damage?
[01:16:06.360 --> 01:16:09.360]  Yes, and that is why I...
[01:16:09.360 --> 01:16:10.360]  Serious.
[01:16:10.360 --> 01:16:16.360]  Yeah, I heard George and I thought, oh, they're going to tell him about the FDCPA
[01:16:16.360 --> 01:16:19.360]  and I didn't hear you guys mention anything about it.
[01:16:19.360 --> 01:16:21.360]  I'm like, oh, I got to call in.
[01:16:21.360 --> 01:16:22.360]  Oh, wonderful.
[01:16:22.360 --> 01:16:29.360]  Well, Mike, we're just, look, you got to realize, Randy and I, we're naive, okay?
[01:16:29.360 --> 01:16:33.360]  We're statutory constitutional purists, okay?
[01:16:33.360 --> 01:16:36.360]  We're ivory tower, you know what I'm saying?
[01:16:36.360 --> 01:16:43.360]  I mean, we're just starting to learn about this commercial stuff and, you know,
[01:16:43.360 --> 01:16:49.360]  and I'm like, ha, ha, ha, yeah, just wait.
[01:16:49.360 --> 01:16:51.360]  I'm going to kick your butt.
[01:16:51.360 --> 01:16:53.360]  You ain't going to believe it.
[01:16:53.360 --> 01:16:55.360]  You have to email us.
[01:16:55.360 --> 01:16:58.360]  I would like to do a whole show with you.
[01:16:58.360 --> 01:16:59.360]  Dude, I want you to do a show.
[01:16:59.360 --> 01:17:01.360]  I want you to be a host.
[01:17:01.360 --> 01:17:02.360]  Yeah.
[01:17:02.360 --> 01:17:07.360]  Well, I don't know if I'm qualified to be a host or not, but...
[01:17:07.360 --> 01:17:08.360]  We need to hook him up with you.
[01:17:08.360 --> 01:17:12.360]  I just know a little bit from when I was a debt collector
[01:17:12.360 --> 01:17:14.360]  and I know what we were afraid of.
[01:17:14.360 --> 01:17:21.360]  This is exactly the kind of information we need to get out to everyone we can.
[01:17:21.360 --> 01:17:23.360]  We need to hook him up with Joe Edwards.
[01:17:23.360 --> 01:17:24.360]  Yeah.
[01:17:24.360 --> 01:17:26.360]  Yes, we do.
[01:17:26.360 --> 01:17:29.360]  Okay, dude, we got to talk offline.
[01:17:29.360 --> 01:17:31.360]  Okay.
[01:17:31.360 --> 01:17:36.360]  Yeah, then we can tell all the stuff we can't tell online.
[01:17:36.360 --> 01:17:40.360]  It's about hitting them where it hurts.
[01:17:40.360 --> 01:17:41.360]  Yeah.
[01:17:41.360 --> 01:17:45.360]  You know, you find a guy knocked on the ground,
[01:17:45.360 --> 01:17:48.360]  semi-conscious, his legs sproutled out.
[01:17:48.360 --> 01:17:50.360]  What do you do?
[01:17:50.360 --> 01:17:52.360]  Come on, dude, the imagery.
[01:17:52.360 --> 01:17:54.360]  Give me a break.
[01:17:54.360 --> 01:17:57.360]  I mean, this is how we win this fight.
[01:17:57.360 --> 01:17:58.360]  Well, come on.
[01:17:58.360 --> 01:18:01.360]  Look, Randy, we're learning some new...
[01:18:01.360 --> 01:18:04.360]  We're advancing our chi here, you know.
[01:18:04.360 --> 01:18:07.360]  We're learning new Shaolin...
[01:18:07.360 --> 01:18:09.360]  We're progressing to new levels.
[01:18:09.360 --> 01:18:13.360]  Kicking one is down.
[01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:14.360]  Okay, okay, Mike.
[01:18:14.360 --> 01:18:16.360]  Look, I got you.
[01:18:16.360 --> 01:18:18.360]  I wrote down your phone number here.
[01:18:18.360 --> 01:18:20.360]  Please send us email.
[01:18:20.360 --> 01:18:25.360]  I'd like to contact you offline and talk some more about this and coming on to our show.
[01:18:25.360 --> 01:18:31.360]  But I want to move on because our dedicated listeners have been holding on for a long time.
[01:18:31.360 --> 01:18:32.360]  Oh, I know it. I know it.
[01:18:32.360 --> 01:18:33.360]  Okay.
[01:18:33.360 --> 01:18:37.360]  I also wanted to tell you guys, too, my father's a private investigator
[01:18:37.360 --> 01:18:39.360]  and he gives these seminars.
[01:18:39.360 --> 01:18:46.360]  And I wanted to talk to you guys about maybe hosting, being a guest host at one of his seminars.
[01:18:46.360 --> 01:18:47.360]  Okay.
[01:18:47.360 --> 01:18:49.360]  How we might be able to work that out.
[01:18:49.360 --> 01:18:52.360]  What does he normally investigate?
[01:18:52.360 --> 01:18:54.360]  What types of...
[01:18:54.360 --> 01:18:57.360]  He's done just about everything.
[01:18:57.360 --> 01:19:01.360]  Your nefarious activities, Randy.
[01:19:01.360 --> 01:19:04.360]  Randy's beer runs.
[01:19:04.360 --> 01:19:10.360]  He's done a lot of criminal investigation.
[01:19:10.360 --> 01:19:13.360]  He pretty much runs the gamut.
[01:19:13.360 --> 01:19:14.360]  Pretty much anything.
[01:19:14.360 --> 01:19:15.360]  Good. Have him get in touch with me.
[01:19:15.360 --> 01:19:16.360]  I may be able to...
[01:19:16.360 --> 01:19:18.360]  Where is he at?
[01:19:18.360 --> 01:19:19.360]  In Houston.
[01:19:19.360 --> 01:19:22.360]  Actually, he's in Haiti with just West Houston.
[01:19:22.360 --> 01:19:23.360]  Okay.
[01:19:23.360 --> 01:19:27.360]  I may be able to get him business and he may be able to help us in the process.
[01:19:27.360 --> 01:19:28.360]  Cool.
[01:19:28.360 --> 01:19:29.360]  That means I get to help you, too.
[01:19:29.360 --> 01:19:30.360]  Good.
[01:19:30.360 --> 01:19:31.360]  Wonderful.
[01:19:31.360 --> 01:19:40.360]  I have a situation in Las Vegas that I want to bring back to Texas.
[01:19:40.360 --> 01:19:42.360]  Texas is...
[01:19:42.360 --> 01:19:50.360]  The legislature is in the process of passing legislation allowing casinos in Texas.
[01:19:50.360 --> 01:19:51.360]  Yeah.
[01:19:51.360 --> 01:19:55.360]  And Vegas is really getting their butts kicked.
[01:19:55.360 --> 01:20:01.360]  So while Vegas is down, I want to go to Vegas and kick them in the crotch.
[01:20:01.360 --> 01:20:03.360]  Okay.
[01:20:03.360 --> 01:20:07.360]  And convince people that going to Vegas is dangerous.
[01:20:07.360 --> 01:20:08.360]  Look, I told you...
[01:20:08.360 --> 01:20:09.360]  And come back to Texas.
[01:20:09.360 --> 01:20:13.360]  I told you to stop messing with those mafia guys in Vegas, dude.
[01:20:13.360 --> 01:20:20.360]  So we want to bring all the business back to Texas because I have investment in a casino in Texas.
[01:20:20.360 --> 01:20:21.360]  Yes.
[01:20:21.360 --> 01:20:22.360]  All right.
[01:20:22.360 --> 01:20:25.360]  So I definitely want to get in touch with you.
[01:20:25.360 --> 01:20:31.360]  Look, anybody out there that has connections to Vegas, please don't kill Randy, okay?
[01:20:31.360 --> 01:20:33.360]  Don't assassinate him.
[01:20:33.360 --> 01:20:35.360]  He's going out to mess with these mobsters.
[01:20:35.360 --> 01:20:36.360]  He doesn't know what he's doing.
[01:20:36.360 --> 01:20:38.360]  He's a hillbilly from Tennessee.
[01:20:38.360 --> 01:20:39.360]  He's flagrant.
[01:20:39.360 --> 01:20:41.360]  He's out of control.
[01:20:41.360 --> 01:20:42.360]  Okay.
[01:20:42.360 --> 01:20:44.360]  We don't need him to end up in the middle of a football game.
[01:20:44.360 --> 01:20:53.360]  I do not want to have to drag your butt home dead body from some casino in the desert, dude.
[01:20:53.360 --> 01:21:10.360]  The casinos are hiring sadistic Clark County, Las Vegas, Nevada police officers to beat up patrons who go to casinos in Las Vegas.
[01:21:10.360 --> 01:21:11.360]  Look...
[01:21:11.360 --> 01:21:18.360]  So that if you don't spend enough money in their slot machines, that they'll take it away from you in the court.
[01:21:18.360 --> 01:21:19.360]  So what?
[01:21:19.360 --> 01:21:21.360]  Leave the casinos alone, dude.
[01:21:21.360 --> 01:21:22.360]  What is your problem?
[01:21:22.360 --> 01:21:25.360]  Well, we need casinos in Texas to get all that business.
[01:21:25.360 --> 01:21:27.360]  Why don't you leave them alone?
[01:21:27.360 --> 01:21:29.360]  So what if they have their bouncers?
[01:21:29.360 --> 01:21:34.360]  Well, okay, this is one of the cases I have.
[01:21:34.360 --> 01:21:41.360]  Randy wants to go get himself killed by some mafia guys in Vegas and buck up against their bouncers.
[01:21:41.360 --> 01:21:42.360]  You better knock it off.
[01:21:42.360 --> 01:21:44.360]  What is wrong with you?
[01:21:44.360 --> 01:21:49.360]  Why can't you just stick to getting in judges' faces?
[01:21:49.360 --> 01:21:51.360]  I'm a combat veteran.
[01:21:51.360 --> 01:21:55.360]  Anybody out there ever get addicted to adrenaline?
[01:21:55.360 --> 01:21:57.360]  Look, dude, you're picking the wrong fight.
[01:21:57.360 --> 01:21:59.360]  You're picking the wrong fight.
[01:21:59.360 --> 01:22:00.360]  I'm being careful.
[01:22:00.360 --> 01:22:01.360]  He's picking the wrong fight, listeners.
[01:22:01.360 --> 01:22:02.360]  He's picking the wrong fight.
[01:22:02.360 --> 01:22:07.360]  Look, just, you know, why don't you go get up in the Supreme Court judges' face?
[01:22:07.360 --> 01:22:09.360]  Just leave those monsters alone, okay?
[01:22:09.360 --> 01:22:12.360]  Okay, Mike, look, I want to move on.
[01:22:12.360 --> 01:22:13.360]  Okay.
[01:22:13.360 --> 01:22:17.360]  Somebody's got to talk some sense into Randy so I don't have to drag him home from the desert, okay?
[01:22:17.360 --> 01:22:18.360]  Okay.
[01:22:18.360 --> 01:22:21.360]  My next fight's going to be in Nevada.
[01:22:21.360 --> 01:22:24.360]  His next fight's going to be with me.
[01:22:24.360 --> 01:22:30.360]  I'm going to Las Vegas Monday to start taking on the district attorney there.
[01:22:30.360 --> 01:22:32.360]  Yeah, well...
[01:22:32.360 --> 01:22:34.360]  My next one's going to be in North Carolina.
[01:22:34.360 --> 01:22:36.360]  Just keep...
[01:22:36.360 --> 01:22:40.360]  We have a district attorney there who's a known drug dealer.
[01:22:40.360 --> 01:22:41.360]  Why should...
[01:22:41.360 --> 01:22:42.360]  Oh, boy.
[01:22:42.360 --> 01:22:43.360]  Look, dude...
[01:22:43.360 --> 01:22:44.360]  Is it nuts?
[01:22:44.360 --> 01:22:48.360]  Okay, listeners, this may be the last show.
[01:22:48.360 --> 01:22:56.360]  I don't know if Randy's going to come home because he wants to go beat up on the mobsters out in Las Vegas
[01:22:56.360 --> 01:22:58.360]  and some drug dealer and district attorney.
[01:22:58.360 --> 01:23:01.360]  Dude, why don't you just leave him alone?
[01:23:01.360 --> 01:23:09.360]  Well, because, you see, I'm going to go out there and claim that the...
[01:23:09.360 --> 01:23:10.360]  Oh, God.
[01:23:10.360 --> 01:23:13.360]  Casinos in Vegas are losing business.
[01:23:13.360 --> 01:23:15.360]  Don't you have bigger fish to fry?
[01:23:15.360 --> 01:23:26.360]  So they're using the Las Vegas Police Department so that if you don't lose all your money at the casino,
[01:23:26.360 --> 01:23:30.360]  they'll arrest you and take all your money in the courts.
[01:23:30.360 --> 01:23:36.360]  So if you want to be safe from that kind of crap, you have to come to Texas when they build their casinos.
[01:23:36.360 --> 01:23:37.360]  Oh, okay.
[01:23:37.360 --> 01:23:40.360]  So this is all a big advertising ploy.
[01:23:40.360 --> 01:23:41.360]  Yeah.
[01:23:41.360 --> 01:23:42.360]  Oh, boy.
[01:23:42.360 --> 01:23:44.360]  We're way nicer here than they are in Vegas.
[01:23:44.360 --> 01:23:45.360]  Exactly.
[01:23:45.360 --> 01:23:46.360]  We're from Texas.
[01:23:46.360 --> 01:23:47.360]  We're friendly.
[01:23:47.360 --> 01:23:48.360]  No, no.
[01:23:48.360 --> 01:23:49.360]  We are not from Texas.
[01:23:49.360 --> 01:23:50.360]  I am from Texas.
[01:23:50.360 --> 01:23:51.360]  You are from Tennessee.
[01:23:51.360 --> 01:23:52.360]  You're a hillbilly.
[01:23:52.360 --> 01:23:53.360]  I'm a hillbilly.
[01:23:53.360 --> 01:23:56.360]  Hillbillies are easy to along with.
[01:23:56.360 --> 01:23:57.360]  They're ignorant.
[01:23:57.360 --> 01:23:59.360]  They don't know any better.
[01:23:59.360 --> 01:24:00.360]  Oh, boy.
[01:24:00.360 --> 01:24:01.360]  Okay, Mike.
[01:24:01.360 --> 01:24:04.360]  Be sure to send me an email so I don't lose contact with you.
[01:24:04.360 --> 01:24:05.360]  He's flagrant.
[01:24:05.360 --> 01:24:06.360]  He's flagrant.
[01:24:06.360 --> 01:24:07.360]  This is...
[01:24:07.360 --> 01:24:09.360]  It might be a while.
[01:24:09.360 --> 01:24:13.360]  I'm having some computer difficulties.
[01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:17.360]  If I can manage, I'll see if I can email you tomorrow.
[01:24:17.360 --> 01:24:18.360]  Okay, okay.
[01:24:18.360 --> 01:24:19.360]  Is that okay?
[01:24:19.360 --> 01:24:20.360]  Yes, that's fine.
[01:24:20.360 --> 01:24:23.360]  I'm an electrical engineer, but I'm a chump.
[01:24:23.360 --> 01:24:25.360]  Deborah is a computer tech.
[01:24:25.360 --> 01:24:26.360]  She really knows.
[01:24:26.360 --> 01:24:29.360]  If you have computer problems, she can fix it.
[01:24:29.360 --> 01:24:30.360]  Okay.
[01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:36.360]  You know what's impressive is that not only is Deborah a talent, and she's a host there,
[01:24:36.360 --> 01:24:38.360]  but she's also producing as well.
[01:24:38.360 --> 01:24:40.360]  That must just be monumental.
[01:24:40.360 --> 01:24:41.360]  Look...
[01:24:41.360 --> 01:24:42.360]  I can't imagine.
[01:24:42.360 --> 01:24:43.360]  I just...
[01:24:43.360 --> 01:24:44.360]  I can't...
[01:24:44.360 --> 01:24:48.360]  I'm an electrical engineer, but she makes me feel like a chump.
[01:24:48.360 --> 01:24:50.360]  Yeah, but you know what?
[01:24:50.360 --> 01:24:53.360]  Listen, I'll tell you why I make you feel like a chump.
[01:24:53.360 --> 01:24:57.360]  Because you can't just be happy and proud of what you do.
[01:24:57.360 --> 01:24:58.360]  Okay.
[01:24:58.360 --> 01:24:59.360]  Okay?
[01:24:59.360 --> 01:25:01.360]  Because look, you do what you do.
[01:25:01.360 --> 01:25:02.360]  You do it very well.
[01:25:02.360 --> 01:25:03.360]  I do what I do.
[01:25:03.360 --> 01:25:04.360]  I do it very well.
[01:25:04.360 --> 01:25:05.360]  No, no.
[01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:07.360]  Other people do what they do and they do it very well.
[01:25:07.360 --> 01:25:08.360]  I understand.
[01:25:08.360 --> 01:25:09.360]  What?
[01:25:09.360 --> 01:25:10.360]  I'm an electrical engineer.
[01:25:10.360 --> 01:25:13.360]  What does that have to do with producing audio?
[01:25:13.360 --> 01:25:15.360]  Let me explain this.
[01:25:15.360 --> 01:25:17.360]  I can design a TV for you.
[01:25:17.360 --> 01:25:19.360]  Who cares?
[01:25:19.360 --> 01:25:22.360]  But if it doesn't work, I can't fix it.
[01:25:22.360 --> 01:25:25.360]  She's a tech.
[01:25:25.360 --> 01:25:26.360]  She's a tech.
[01:25:26.360 --> 01:25:27.360]  She can fix it.
[01:25:27.360 --> 01:25:29.360]  Okay, look, I want to explain something about producing
[01:25:29.360 --> 01:25:32.360]  and producing ourselves.
[01:25:32.360 --> 01:25:33.360]  Most...
[01:25:33.360 --> 01:25:41.360]  I'm talking 99% of singers, even songwriters, you know, musicians,
[01:25:41.360 --> 01:25:45.360]  even at the highest, most elite levels, Celine Dion, you name it,
[01:25:45.360 --> 01:25:48.360]  they all have producers.
[01:25:48.360 --> 01:25:51.360]  Almost none of them produce themselves.
[01:25:51.360 --> 01:25:53.360]  Madonna produces herself.
[01:25:53.360 --> 01:25:54.360]  Okay?
[01:25:54.360 --> 01:26:00.360]  I have the utmost respect, highest top respect for Madonna.
[01:26:00.360 --> 01:26:01.360]  Okay?
[01:26:01.360 --> 01:26:04.360]  And I know some people think, you know, she's cheesy or, you know,
[01:26:04.360 --> 01:26:07.360]  whatever, but I'm telling you what.
[01:26:07.360 --> 01:26:09.360]  She writes her own songs.
[01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:11.360]  She produces her own shows.
[01:26:11.360 --> 01:26:13.360]  She engineers, mixes everything.
[01:26:13.360 --> 01:26:19.360]  There are very, very, very few people that can produce themselves.
[01:26:19.360 --> 01:26:21.360]  It's extremely difficult.
[01:26:21.360 --> 01:26:23.360]  Prince does it.
[01:26:23.360 --> 01:26:27.360]  And honestly, I don't even like doing it, really.
[01:26:27.360 --> 01:26:30.360]  It's very, very hard.
[01:26:30.360 --> 01:26:31.360]  It's very hard.
[01:26:31.360 --> 01:26:35.360]  Hey, you know, Debra, you know, Debra, I have the highest respect for you
[01:26:35.360 --> 01:26:38.360]  because I know that that is incredibly demanding.
[01:26:38.360 --> 01:26:43.360]  And I know an awful lot of people who realize that as well.
[01:26:43.360 --> 01:26:46.360]  So we're going to pass off to you.
[01:26:46.360 --> 01:26:47.360]  Well, I appreciate it.
[01:26:47.360 --> 01:26:49.360]  And I just can't imagine.
[01:26:49.360 --> 01:26:50.360]  Well, check it out.
[01:26:50.360 --> 01:26:54.360]  Okay, listen, you don't know how much that means to me because I've been
[01:26:54.360 --> 01:26:55.360]  working so hard.
[01:26:55.360 --> 01:27:01.360]  I have been working so hard, okay, to get this message out, all right,
[01:27:01.360 --> 01:27:04.360]  to support Randy, to support what we're doing and to do everything for
[01:27:04.360 --> 01:27:05.360]  our listeners.
[01:27:05.360 --> 01:27:10.360]  I've been working so hard because I can't stomach the ads on GCN and the
[01:27:10.360 --> 01:27:12.360]  USA Iron News.
[01:27:12.360 --> 01:27:20.360]  All right, I ain't going to kiss butt to some cut-rate, low-quality network.
[01:27:20.360 --> 01:27:24.360]  If we're going to be on the air, we're going to do it right.
[01:27:24.360 --> 01:27:25.360]  All right.
[01:27:25.360 --> 01:27:26.360]  Okay?
[01:27:26.360 --> 01:27:29.360]  And we are going to do it ourselves.
[01:27:29.360 --> 01:27:33.360]  And it, you know, and I've been getting emails, all the levels and that,
[01:27:33.360 --> 01:27:37.360]  and the call and you know, well, I'll tell you what, okay,
[01:27:37.360 --> 01:27:42.360]  I could have waited two months and run archives while I set up everything
[01:27:42.360 --> 01:27:44.360]  and get it all perfect.
[01:27:44.360 --> 01:27:48.360]  But I didn't want to go that route because the message is too important.
[01:27:48.360 --> 01:27:52.360]  It's about the message.
[01:27:52.360 --> 01:27:55.360]  Well, you know something, Deborah, I think you're sending a message that
[01:27:55.360 --> 01:27:59.360]  you don't even realize, and that is that we've all got to be more
[01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:00.360]  self-sufficient.
[01:28:00.360 --> 01:28:05.360]  Why should we be relying on people to do things that we can do ourselves?
[01:28:05.360 --> 01:28:06.360]  Exactly.
[01:28:06.360 --> 01:28:09.360]  Just like grow your own food, you know.
[01:28:09.360 --> 01:28:11.360]  I'm an electrical engineer.
[01:28:11.360 --> 01:28:12.360]  Oh, boy.
[01:28:12.360 --> 01:28:17.360]  But when I look at what Deborah is doing, I am intimidated.
[01:28:17.360 --> 01:28:18.360]  Yeah.
[01:28:18.360 --> 01:28:22.360]  She is so far beyond me that there's no way I could.
[01:28:22.360 --> 01:28:25.360]  Okay, but, okay, look, let me address this.
[01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:28.360]  But, Randy, I am not beyond you.
[01:28:28.360 --> 01:28:34.360]  Just like you are not beyond me or any of our listeners in what you do in the
[01:28:34.360 --> 01:28:35.360]  court system.
[01:28:35.360 --> 01:28:36.360]  All right?
[01:28:36.360 --> 01:28:39.360]  I'm going to tell everybody what I do and how I do it.
[01:28:39.360 --> 01:28:44.360]  I don't think it's a matter of intelligence or knowledge.
[01:28:44.360 --> 01:28:48.360]  I just don't give up, okay?
[01:28:48.360 --> 01:28:57.360]  I will sit there and research all night long until I figure out how to do it.
[01:28:57.360 --> 01:28:58.360]  All right?
[01:28:58.360 --> 01:29:00.360]  It's 99% perspiration, really.
[01:29:00.360 --> 01:29:01.360]  I'm serious.
[01:29:01.360 --> 01:29:06.360]  It is determination, sheer will.
[01:29:06.360 --> 01:29:07.360]  Way more.
[01:29:07.360 --> 01:29:11.360]  I don't even think I'm that smart because I know a lot of people that are way
[01:29:11.360 --> 01:29:12.360]  smarter than me.
[01:29:12.360 --> 01:29:20.360]  But I am just absolutely determined to do this thing come hell or high water,
[01:29:20.360 --> 01:29:22.360]  just like Randy, okay?
[01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:27.360]  He does what he has to do to make it work.
[01:29:27.360 --> 01:29:29.360]  I do what I have to do to make it work.
[01:29:29.360 --> 01:29:33.360]  You guys are incredibly, are incredibly impressive.
[01:29:33.360 --> 01:29:38.360]  You know, just like you say, just in your determination to see things through,
[01:29:38.360 --> 01:29:43.360]  to see things go the right way, and you don't need anybody.
[01:29:43.360 --> 01:29:44.360]  And I like that.
[01:29:44.360 --> 01:29:46.360]  I really like that about you guys.
[01:29:46.360 --> 01:29:49.360]  That sends a real powerful lesson to your listeners.
[01:29:49.360 --> 01:29:53.360]  Descartes, Descartes once said,
[01:29:53.360 --> 01:29:59.360]  nothing can resist the human will that will stake its very existence upon the
[01:29:59.360 --> 01:30:01.360]  extent of its purpose.
[01:30:01.360 --> 01:30:03.360]  Listen, I will tell you what.
[01:30:03.360 --> 01:30:10.360]  Three computers and one piece of rack-mount gear and a whole bunch of cables,
[01:30:10.360 --> 01:30:11.360]  I will change the world.
[01:30:11.360 --> 01:30:12.360]  I will.
[01:30:12.360 --> 01:30:14.360]  I will change the world.
[01:30:14.360 --> 01:30:15.360]  Four computers.
[01:30:15.360 --> 01:30:17.360]  I just gave you the other day.
[01:30:17.360 --> 01:30:19.360]  Yeah, well, that computer is a piece, Des.
[01:30:19.360 --> 01:30:20.360]  Piece of crap.
[01:30:20.360 --> 01:30:21.360]  Okay.
[01:30:21.360 --> 01:30:23.360]  I'll use it as a Linux box.
[01:30:23.360 --> 01:30:27.360]  But anyway, Mike, I really appreciate it, you know.
[01:30:27.360 --> 01:30:31.360]  Well, listen, I had a great time listening to the show tonight,
[01:30:31.360 --> 01:30:33.360]  and I had a great time talking to you guys too,
[01:30:33.360 --> 01:30:35.360]  and I look forward to hearing from you.
[01:30:35.360 --> 01:30:36.360]  Okay.
[01:30:36.360 --> 01:30:43.360]  I think if the listeners could appreciate what we're doing here,
[01:30:43.360 --> 01:30:51.360]  we're not, you know, someone with a lot of financial backing.
[01:30:51.360 --> 01:30:57.360]  We're just ordinary people like anybody else off the street who have taken what
[01:30:57.360 --> 01:31:03.360]  meager resources we have and organized them to make a difference.
[01:31:03.360 --> 01:31:04.360]  Yeah.
[01:31:04.360 --> 01:31:10.360]  Anyone can make a difference if they simply dedicate themselves.
[01:31:10.360 --> 01:31:15.360]  And I can assure you, with Debra, and I just commented yesterday,
[01:31:15.360 --> 01:31:19.360]  I'm concerned she's losing way too much weight.
[01:31:19.360 --> 01:31:20.360]  Yeah.
[01:31:20.360 --> 01:31:25.360]  This has been incredibly stressful for both of us.
[01:31:25.360 --> 01:31:27.360]  Oh, I bet.
[01:31:27.360 --> 01:31:33.360]  But when we look back on our lives, you know, I'm kind of an older guy.
[01:31:33.360 --> 01:31:37.360]  When I look back on the long years that I've been here,
[01:31:37.360 --> 01:31:46.360]  those times that stand out were those times when I was standing on the edge.
[01:31:46.360 --> 01:31:47.360]  Yeah.
[01:31:47.360 --> 01:31:52.360]  When life was the most difficult and every decision I made mattered.
[01:31:52.360 --> 01:31:53.360]  Yeah.
[01:31:53.360 --> 01:32:01.360]  When we look back on this time, we get to look back and say, yes, I did.
[01:32:01.360 --> 01:32:02.360]  It was worth it.
[01:32:02.360 --> 01:32:05.360]  I did the right thing for the right reason,
[01:32:05.360 --> 01:32:09.360]  and I get to feel good about at least that part of my life.
[01:32:09.360 --> 01:32:12.360]  When Debra looks back on this part of her life,
[01:32:12.360 --> 01:32:18.360]  she will always have a place in her life that she can smile about.
[01:32:18.360 --> 01:32:24.360]  Well, I mean, it makes me feel good that I could accomplish things
[01:32:24.360 --> 01:32:27.360]  technically that I never thought I could have.
[01:32:27.360 --> 01:32:31.360]  But, I mean, honestly, I just feel like I don't have a choice.
[01:32:31.360 --> 01:32:38.360]  Okay, this ball has been throwing in my lap, and I just really,
[01:32:38.360 --> 01:32:40.360]  I just don't have a choice.
[01:32:40.360 --> 01:32:44.360]  I have to do it, you know?
[01:32:44.360 --> 01:32:51.360]  And I'm glad that I'm able to do it because the thing is,
[01:32:51.360 --> 01:32:56.360]  I want to support Randy and his message because I believe in it
[01:32:56.360 --> 01:33:02.360]  and all the work that he's done, you know?
[01:33:02.360 --> 01:33:05.360]  And I've got to make a difference because, listen, here's the deal.
[01:33:05.360 --> 01:33:08.360]  Okay, I'm wearing my heart on my sleeve now, okay,
[01:33:08.360 --> 01:33:10.360]  to everybody who is still out there.
[01:33:10.360 --> 01:33:11.360]  All right?
[01:33:11.360 --> 01:33:12.360]  And that's okay.
[01:33:12.360 --> 01:33:20.360]  But listen, I never thought in a million years I would ever be running
[01:33:20.360 --> 01:33:28.360]  a radio network or even be a talk show host or be into legal issues.
[01:33:28.360 --> 01:33:30.360]  I mean, I'm a mathematician, okay?
[01:33:30.360 --> 01:33:32.360]  I'm a tech person.
[01:33:32.360 --> 01:33:34.360]  I'm into computers.
[01:33:34.360 --> 01:33:36.360]  I'm a physical therapist.
[01:33:36.360 --> 01:33:41.360]  You know, I never thought I'd be doing anything like this, okay?
[01:33:41.360 --> 01:33:45.360]  And my husband Jerry and I, we're musicians and we're in a band together,
[01:33:45.360 --> 01:33:48.360]  you know, and all of a sudden one day Jerry comes home
[01:33:48.360 --> 01:33:54.360]  and he's talking about this radio station he heard and this message.
[01:33:54.360 --> 01:33:58.360]  And we were already somewhat awake or whatever you want to call it.
[01:33:58.360 --> 01:34:02.360]  And he turned me on, you know, and we started listening.
[01:34:02.360 --> 01:34:06.360]  And I was like, oh, my God, I just can't believe everything.
[01:34:06.360 --> 01:34:09.360]  You know, and then it's like we woke up to 9-11
[01:34:09.360 --> 01:34:12.360]  and it just changed my whole life.
[01:34:12.360 --> 01:34:16.360]  It changed our whole lives, okay?
[01:34:16.360 --> 01:34:18.360]  I had to do something about it.
[01:34:18.360 --> 01:34:20.360]  We had to do something about it.
[01:34:20.360 --> 01:34:22.360]  And I couldn't do...
[01:34:22.360 --> 01:34:25.360]  Randy and I could not be doing this if it wasn't for Jerry, okay?
[01:34:25.360 --> 01:34:28.360]  He has so much supported us.
[01:34:28.360 --> 01:34:32.360]  Given, you know, if Jerry wasn't supporting me,
[01:34:32.360 --> 01:34:36.360]  to give me the time to be able to work everything out and technically,
[01:34:36.360 --> 01:34:38.360]  there's no way I could do it, okay?
[01:34:38.360 --> 01:34:41.360]  But I never thought I would be doing anything like this,
[01:34:41.360 --> 01:34:42.360]  but I have to.
[01:34:42.360 --> 01:34:44.360]  I'm just driven to do it.
[01:34:44.360 --> 01:34:47.360]  We got a message and we heard Alex Jones and we heard all these shows.
[01:34:47.360 --> 01:34:50.360]  And, you know, we just started getting involved
[01:34:50.360 --> 01:34:54.360]  and with Vote Rescue and writing songs
[01:34:54.360 --> 01:34:59.360]  and incorporating lyrics of the message and everything and on and on and on.
[01:34:59.360 --> 01:35:00.360]  And then we got...
[01:35:00.360 --> 01:35:04.360]  I got invited to be a talk show host on WTPRN with Randy
[01:35:04.360 --> 01:35:09.360]  because I was researching grand jury issues with 9-11.
[01:35:09.360 --> 01:35:12.360]  And it just kept growing and growing and growing, you know?
[01:35:12.360 --> 01:35:17.360]  Okay, so then I'm producing me and Randy's show, you know?
[01:35:17.360 --> 01:35:21.360]  And now, my God, it's like three, four years later,
[01:35:21.360 --> 01:35:24.360]  I'm setting up and running my own network.
[01:35:24.360 --> 01:35:26.360]  I mean, it just goes to show...
[01:35:26.360 --> 01:35:29.360]  I mean, I'm not trying to say I'm anything because I'm not.
[01:35:29.360 --> 01:35:32.360]  I'm just doing what I feel I've been commissioned to do,
[01:35:32.360 --> 01:35:37.360]  but it just goes to show you never know who you're going to touch, who...
[01:35:37.360 --> 01:35:43.360]  One person, you may speak a few words to one person
[01:35:43.360 --> 01:35:46.360]  and you never know what kind of difference they're going to make.
[01:35:46.360 --> 01:35:53.360]  You and Randy have something that most people in this society have lost
[01:35:53.360 --> 01:35:55.360]  and that is courage.
[01:35:55.360 --> 01:35:58.360]  That's what you have, that most of us...
[01:35:58.360 --> 01:36:03.360]  And I'm trying my best to try to match your courage.
[01:36:03.360 --> 01:36:07.360]  I don't know if I ever will, but I'm working on it.
[01:36:07.360 --> 01:36:09.360]  Oh, come on.
[01:36:09.360 --> 01:36:10.360]  I don't know.
[01:36:10.360 --> 01:36:13.360]  I always cringe when someone says courage.
[01:36:13.360 --> 01:36:15.360]  Yeah.
[01:36:15.360 --> 01:36:25.360]  Well, the reason I do that is because I remember November 1969.
[01:36:25.360 --> 01:36:26.360]  Yeah.
[01:36:26.360 --> 01:36:36.360]  In Chulai, South Vietnam, talking to my twin brother,
[01:36:36.360 --> 01:36:44.360]  the one thing that stands out more than any other is we're in a place called Chulai,
[01:36:44.360 --> 01:36:47.360]  19 miles south of Da Nang.
[01:36:47.360 --> 01:36:49.360]  My brother has...
[01:36:49.360 --> 01:36:51.360]  He was the last man off the LZ.
[01:36:51.360 --> 01:36:54.360]  He stepped on a bouncing beddy.
[01:36:54.360 --> 01:36:59.360]  A bouncing beddy shoots up a projectile about three feet in the air.
[01:36:59.360 --> 01:37:03.360]  When it reaches the end of the lanyard, it explodes and blasts outward.
[01:37:03.360 --> 01:37:04.360]  It's anti-personnel.
[01:37:04.360 --> 01:37:07.360]  He stepped on it, knew what it was, dropped down on it,
[01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:10.360]  captured it, blew him all to pieces.
[01:37:10.360 --> 01:37:14.360]  He said, when I stepped on it and heard it function,
[01:37:14.360 --> 01:37:18.360]  I knew what it was and knew I was dead.
[01:37:18.360 --> 01:37:19.360]  Lord Jesus.
[01:37:19.360 --> 01:37:22.360]  So he dropped down and captured it and it blew him all to pieces.
[01:37:22.360 --> 01:37:23.360]  Why did he do that?
[01:37:23.360 --> 01:37:24.360]  Were there other people around?
[01:37:24.360 --> 01:37:27.360]  There were about 20 other people around.
[01:37:27.360 --> 01:37:29.360]  He knew he was a dead man, so he was trying to save others.
[01:37:29.360 --> 01:37:30.360]  Yes.
[01:37:30.360 --> 01:37:31.360]  Oh, Lord.
[01:37:31.360 --> 01:37:35.360]  The last intelligible thing he said to me.
[01:37:35.360 --> 01:37:37.360]  We were in Chulai.
[01:37:37.360 --> 01:37:42.360]  If anybody out there has ever seen the program China Beach,
[01:37:42.360 --> 01:37:47.360]  when the program comes on, it shows two doors in a Quonset hut.
[01:37:47.360 --> 01:37:50.360]  When that first came on and the first time I saw it,
[01:37:50.360 --> 01:37:54.360]  I looked at those two doors and said, holy crap.
[01:37:54.360 --> 01:37:57.360]  I know that place.
[01:37:57.360 --> 01:37:59.360]  And the ticker across the bottom,
[01:37:59.360 --> 01:38:01.360]  there's a little ticker across the bottom and said,
[01:38:01.360 --> 01:38:04.360]  291st field of that hospital, Danang.
[01:38:04.360 --> 01:38:06.360]  And I told my wife, that is not Danang.
[01:38:06.360 --> 01:38:08.360]  That's Chulai.
[01:38:08.360 --> 01:38:11.360]  That's 19 miles south of Danang.
[01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:14.360]  I recognized those two doors.
[01:38:14.360 --> 01:38:15.360]  Yeah.
[01:38:15.360 --> 01:38:21.360]  The last thing my twin brother said to me before the gangrene,
[01:38:21.360 --> 01:38:25.360]  the pain, the morphine took his mind away,
[01:38:25.360 --> 01:38:30.360]  is he was looking across the hall at a VC they were taking care of.
[01:38:30.360 --> 01:38:35.360]  And the nurses and the doctors treated him like he was an enemy combatant.
[01:38:35.360 --> 01:38:36.360]  They still took care of him.
[01:38:36.360 --> 01:38:39.360]  They just didn't like him.
[01:38:39.360 --> 01:38:43.360]  He looked across the hall and he said, you know,
[01:38:43.360 --> 01:38:46.360]  they're going to win this war.
[01:38:46.360 --> 01:38:50.360]  And I said, why do you say that?
[01:38:50.360 --> 01:38:52.360]  They're the good guys.
[01:38:52.360 --> 01:38:55.360]  We should never have been here.
[01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:58.360]  And he was right.
[01:38:58.360 --> 01:39:01.360]  One of my later studies, I found he was right.
[01:39:01.360 --> 01:39:03.360]  But it wasn't his fault.
[01:39:03.360 --> 01:39:05.360]  He did the right thing.
[01:39:05.360 --> 01:39:07.360]  He signed up to fight for his country.
[01:39:07.360 --> 01:39:09.360]  He thought he was doing the right thing.
[01:39:09.360 --> 01:39:10.360]  And so did you.
[01:39:10.360 --> 01:39:16.360]  Look, listeners, Randy is a Vietnam veteran and so is his twin brother.
[01:39:16.360 --> 01:39:17.360]  Okay.
[01:39:17.360 --> 01:39:20.360]  And I give utmost respect.
[01:39:20.360 --> 01:39:21.360]  Okay.
[01:39:21.360 --> 01:39:23.360]  Randy, Randy enlisted himself.
[01:39:23.360 --> 01:39:25.360]  He was not drafted.
[01:39:25.360 --> 01:39:28.360]  And so his brother, they thought they were doing the right thing.
[01:39:28.360 --> 01:39:30.360]  And they did do the right thing.
[01:39:30.360 --> 01:39:33.360]  It's not your fault.
[01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:35.360]  It's not his fault.
[01:39:35.360 --> 01:39:36.360]  Okay.
[01:39:36.360 --> 01:39:41.360]  When people say that, oh, you're courageous, no, it's not.
[01:39:41.360 --> 01:39:44.360]  I am one mad son of a bitch.
[01:39:44.360 --> 01:39:46.360]  Yeah, and so am I.
[01:39:46.360 --> 01:39:49.360]  And these guys started to fight with me.
[01:39:49.360 --> 01:39:50.360]  They lied to me.
[01:39:50.360 --> 01:39:51.360]  They lied to him.
[01:39:51.360 --> 01:39:52.360]  He did.
[01:39:52.360 --> 01:39:54.360]  He died.
[01:39:54.360 --> 01:40:01.360]  And I tell you, he died hard.
[01:40:01.360 --> 01:40:04.360]  He died thinking he was the bad guy.
[01:40:04.360 --> 01:40:06.360]  But he wasn't.
[01:40:06.360 --> 01:40:09.360]  So I am really one mad SOB.
[01:40:09.360 --> 01:40:10.360]  Yeah.
[01:40:10.360 --> 01:40:13.360]  These guys started a fight and I'm not done yet.
[01:40:13.360 --> 01:40:21.360]  And I can't even explain why I am so driven because I don't have any family that died in Vietnam or 9-11 or anything.
[01:40:21.360 --> 01:40:29.360]  But I'll tell you, something about 9-11 just totally, it just ravished me.
[01:40:29.360 --> 01:40:30.360]  Okay.
[01:40:30.360 --> 01:40:35.360]  But what makes me so mad is the arrogance that these people have.
[01:40:35.360 --> 01:40:42.360]  You know, I mean, from the bottom all the way to the top, it's this arrogant attitude that makes me so mad.
[01:40:42.360 --> 01:40:45.360]  And it's always made me angry.
[01:40:45.360 --> 01:40:50.360]  But I've never had the kind of courage that you two have.
[01:40:50.360 --> 01:40:54.360]  You just didn't have the motivation.
[01:40:54.360 --> 01:40:59.360]  Well, if anger motivates you, I've been plenty mad.
[01:40:59.360 --> 01:41:02.360]  I've been plenty mad.
[01:41:02.360 --> 01:41:05.360]  I don't think that's the right button for me though.
[01:41:05.360 --> 01:41:15.360]  You know, there must be something else that's going to have to play.
[01:41:15.360 --> 01:41:16.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:41:16.360 --> 01:41:17.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:41:17.360 --> 01:41:18.360]  Yeah, Mike.
[01:41:18.360 --> 01:41:19.360]  Look, come on.
[01:41:19.360 --> 01:41:20.360]  You're here.
[01:41:20.360 --> 01:41:21.360]  Yeah, you are here.
[01:41:21.360 --> 01:41:22.360]  You're here with us now.
[01:41:22.360 --> 01:41:23.360]  Look, that's what matters.
[01:41:23.360 --> 01:41:34.360]  Look, if everything, if the whole world, if the whole universe blew up and exploded right now, what matters?
[01:41:34.360 --> 01:41:37.360]  You are here with us right now.
[01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:38.360]  And that's what matters.
[01:41:38.360 --> 01:41:42.360]  Doing the right thing for the right reason.
[01:41:42.360 --> 01:41:43.360]  You know what?
[01:41:43.360 --> 01:41:50.360]  I think what it's coming around to is the truth.
[01:41:50.360 --> 01:41:57.360]  You know, since I've woken up to this, when I walk outside my door, it's a completely different world.
[01:41:57.360 --> 01:42:00.360]  It's totally different.
[01:42:00.360 --> 01:42:05.360]  And I look around me and I see people and they're in the same world that I used to be in.
[01:42:05.360 --> 01:42:11.360]  And I just want to grab them by the collar and just say, will you wake up for God's sake?
[01:42:11.360 --> 01:42:12.360]  Look at what's going on.
[01:42:12.360 --> 01:42:13.360]  Look at that.
[01:42:13.360 --> 01:42:15.360]  Look at the cameras.
[01:42:15.360 --> 01:42:17.360]  Look at the cops running up and down.
[01:42:17.360 --> 01:42:20.360]  Look at what the judges are doing.
[01:42:20.360 --> 01:42:22.360]  Look what these prosecutors are doing.
[01:42:22.360 --> 01:42:26.360]  Look at what the Congress is doing.
[01:42:26.360 --> 01:42:28.360]  Look at what these people are doing to us.
[01:42:28.360 --> 01:42:30.360]  Okay, look, I have to put something out here.
[01:42:30.360 --> 01:42:33.360]  I'm not going to release any names.
[01:42:33.360 --> 01:42:45.360]  Randy, and this is a question to our entire listening audience and anyone out there who understands psychology because I don't know.
[01:42:45.360 --> 01:42:47.360]  All right.
[01:42:47.360 --> 01:42:55.360]  Randy brought me a computer today to set up as another server because I need another server.
[01:42:55.360 --> 01:42:57.360]  We need another server for the network.
[01:42:57.360 --> 01:43:05.360]  So I start looking into the computer and trying to spiff it up and get everything worked out.
[01:43:05.360 --> 01:43:22.360]  And I just happen to start looking at what's going on because the person who owned this computer previously did not erase any of their tax records or any of their emails or any of these things.
[01:43:22.360 --> 01:43:35.360]  And honestly, I didn't want to look at it, but a friend of mine said, well, maybe you should check it out because it may be some kind of a government plant.
[01:43:35.360 --> 01:43:37.360]  You should check out everything that comes to you.
[01:43:37.360 --> 01:43:42.360]  Don't just take the hard drive and just reformat it, see what's on it.
[01:43:42.360 --> 01:43:48.360]  And I'm feeling guilty like I'm looking in somebody's private business as I'm looking on it and stuff.
[01:43:48.360 --> 01:43:54.360]  And then I realized it wasn't a government plant or any of that kind of stupidness.
[01:43:54.360 --> 01:43:55.360]  It's an old computer.
[01:43:55.360 --> 01:43:58.360]  Somebody just forgot to erase some of their stuff.
[01:43:58.360 --> 01:44:06.360]  But one of the things that really struck me was one particular email that was on their desktop.
[01:44:06.360 --> 01:44:33.360]  And it was an email sent to a large group of people bashing France in 2003, saying how they deserve the earthquake because how many American soldiers died to liberate that country in World War I and World War II.
[01:44:33.360 --> 01:44:38.360]  And the 50,000 graves and yada, yada, yada.
[01:44:38.360 --> 01:44:50.360]  And how France totally disrespected and unappreciative and completely crapped on the United States in 2003.
[01:44:50.360 --> 01:44:55.360]  And they deserve the earthquake that they got to kill all those people.
[01:44:55.360 --> 01:45:10.360]  And what they were talking about was the fact that France, the people of France and the government of France and the leader of France at the time spoke out against the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq.
[01:45:10.360 --> 01:45:11.360]  All right.
[01:45:11.360 --> 01:45:20.360]  And I remember when that happened and how everybody's trotting around, prancing around about we're not going to call French fries anymore from Wendy's.
[01:45:20.360 --> 01:45:22.360]  We're going to call them freedom fries.
[01:45:22.360 --> 01:45:30.360]  Okay. And they totally crap on the people of France for speaking out against the atrocities that our military did.
[01:45:30.360 --> 01:45:31.360]  All right.
[01:45:31.360 --> 01:45:33.360]  And how they deserve the earthquake.
[01:45:33.360 --> 01:45:34.360]  All right.
[01:45:34.360 --> 01:45:36.360]  And I just, I just bawled.
[01:45:36.360 --> 01:45:37.360]  Okay.
[01:45:37.360 --> 01:45:43.360]  I just broke down and bawled because this is the mindset of our country.
[01:45:43.360 --> 01:45:44.360]  And you know what?
[01:45:44.360 --> 01:45:46.360]  You know what I have to say to people like that?
[01:45:46.360 --> 01:45:47.360]  Oh, okay.
[01:45:47.360 --> 01:45:54.360]  Well, all right, maybe our military helped your country in World War I and World War II.
[01:45:54.360 --> 01:45:55.360]  But guess what?
[01:45:55.360 --> 01:46:00.360]  Our country is the one who instigated World War I and World War II to begin with.
[01:46:00.360 --> 01:46:10.360]  And not only, hold on, Randy, not only that, if it wasn't for France and France's help back in the 1700s, there wouldn't even be a United States.
[01:46:10.360 --> 01:46:11.360]  Okay.
[01:46:11.360 --> 01:46:12.360]  So what the heck?
[01:46:12.360 --> 01:46:13.360]  Yeah.
[01:46:13.360 --> 01:46:14.360]  Most people don't know this.
[01:46:14.360 --> 01:46:15.360]  I'm pissed, man.
[01:46:15.360 --> 01:46:34.360]  But a 21-year-old guy named Lafayette went to the Bahamas and talked to a general there and convinced him to bring his warships to Concord.
[01:46:34.360 --> 01:46:40.360]  Had he not done that, there would be no United States.
[01:46:40.360 --> 01:46:41.360]  And you know what?
[01:46:41.360 --> 01:46:43.360]  This wasn't a government plant.
[01:46:43.360 --> 01:46:45.360]  This wasn't some conspiracy.
[01:46:45.360 --> 01:46:53.360]  This was just some random computer that happened to come my way from some guy in Round Rock who forgot to delete his emails.
[01:46:53.360 --> 01:46:55.360]  But it just shows the mindset.
[01:46:55.360 --> 01:46:56.360]  And I'm very sad.
[01:46:56.360 --> 01:47:03.360]  I don't know what to do about it because the facts do not affect these people.
[01:47:03.360 --> 01:47:04.360]  Come on, Randy.
[01:47:04.360 --> 01:47:05.360]  You're the psychologist.
[01:47:05.360 --> 01:47:06.360]  What do I do?
[01:47:06.360 --> 01:47:18.360]  The United States only exists not because of George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, but a French 21-year-old guy named Lafayette.
[01:47:18.360 --> 01:47:19.360]  Yeah.
[01:47:19.360 --> 01:47:30.360]  Who came to the United States and offered 100,000 troops to support our fight for independence against the British.
[01:47:30.360 --> 01:47:31.360]  That's right.
[01:47:31.360 --> 01:47:33.360]  And we blew him off.
[01:47:33.360 --> 01:47:34.360]  Yeah.
[01:47:34.360 --> 01:47:36.360]  But he didn't go away.
[01:47:36.360 --> 01:47:50.360]  He went to the Bahamas and convinced the general to bring his French ships up to blow the crap out of the British out of the harbor at the Battle of Concord.
[01:47:50.360 --> 01:48:04.360]  And there is an account of the generals in a meeting at that time when they were discussing the strategy for fighting this battle.
[01:48:04.360 --> 01:48:08.360]  And a cannonball came through the building.
[01:48:08.360 --> 01:48:19.360]  And Cornwall, I think it was Cornwall, was the general and took the head off of his assistant next to him.
[01:48:19.360 --> 01:48:20.360]  Wow.
[01:48:20.360 --> 01:48:31.360]  When they were discussing whether, you know, the capabilities of their enemy, a cannonball came through the building and took the head off of his assistant.
[01:48:31.360 --> 01:48:35.360]  And they said, holy crap, they've got big guns.
[01:48:35.360 --> 01:48:51.360]  And the big guns came from the Bahamas because Lafayette convinced this general if he came, if he brought his ships up, he could destroy the British fleet in port, which they did.
[01:48:51.360 --> 01:49:05.360]  Well, see, the French realized that we are all in the same boat. You know, maybe we don't see that.
[01:49:05.360 --> 01:49:10.360]  Maybe we're starting to see that a little more clearly these days.
[01:49:10.360 --> 01:49:16.360]  But it seems to me that the French have known this all along.
[01:49:16.360 --> 01:49:18.360]  We're all in the same boat.
[01:49:18.360 --> 01:49:19.360]  Yes.
[01:49:19.360 --> 01:49:35.360]  In World War II, Patton came to Lafayette's grave and told him and stood over his grave and said, we have returned.
[01:49:35.360 --> 01:49:37.360]  Yeah.
[01:49:37.360 --> 01:49:40.360]  We gave back what he gave to us.
[01:49:40.360 --> 01:49:41.360]  Yeah.
[01:49:41.360 --> 01:49:43.360]  Lafayette gave us our freedom.
[01:49:43.360 --> 01:49:45.360]  We gave it back to him.
[01:49:45.360 --> 01:49:46.360]  Yeah.
[01:49:46.360 --> 01:50:15.360]  And you know what? How dare these people send up this email, bashing France and saying how they're unappreciative and disrespectful and terroristic and all this crap just because they have the gong, no pun intended, G-A-U-L, to speak out against the atrocities of our government when they are the ones who are responsible.
[01:50:15.360 --> 01:50:22.360]  Responsible for us having our liberties and freedoms in the first place because if it wasn't for France, we never would have been able to break away from England.
[01:50:22.360 --> 01:50:24.360]  Oh my God.
[01:50:24.360 --> 01:50:25.360]  I'll tell you what.
[01:50:25.360 --> 01:50:27.360]  I am incensed.
[01:50:27.360 --> 01:50:29.360]  It's not that it wasn't for France.
[01:50:29.360 --> 01:50:30.360]  No, it's not.
[01:50:30.360 --> 01:50:37.360]  It was that it was for one specific singular individual.
[01:50:37.360 --> 01:50:38.360]  Yeah.
[01:50:38.360 --> 01:50:39.360]  Lafayette.
[01:50:39.360 --> 01:50:51.360]  If it was not for that 21-year-old singular individual, the United States would not exist.
[01:50:51.360 --> 01:50:52.360]  That's right.
[01:50:52.360 --> 01:50:53.360]  Well, I'm telling you what.
[01:50:53.360 --> 01:50:58.360]  It's just total disrespect, total freaking disrespect, total disrespect.
[01:50:58.360 --> 01:51:13.360]  Oh, because American soldiers died in World War I and World War II. France better not speak out against the fact that the U.S. Army is invading Iraq and supporting Israel's genocide of Palestine.
[01:51:13.360 --> 01:51:15.360]  No, I'm sick of it, man.
[01:51:15.360 --> 01:51:16.360]  I am sick of it.
[01:51:16.360 --> 01:51:17.360]  I agree.
[01:51:17.360 --> 01:51:18.360]  I am.
[01:51:18.360 --> 01:51:19.360]  I'm speaking it.
[01:51:19.360 --> 01:51:20.360]  I am speaking it.
[01:51:20.360 --> 01:51:21.360]  I'm telling it like it is.
[01:51:21.360 --> 01:51:23.360]  I can't believe we have these people holding on so long.
[01:51:23.360 --> 01:51:28.360]  Look, Mike, we've got – I'm sorry, we're going off.
[01:51:28.360 --> 01:51:30.360]  Yeah, you've got to get to the other callers.
[01:51:30.360 --> 01:51:33.360]  Send me an email so I have direct contact with you.
[01:51:33.360 --> 01:51:39.360]  Our very dedicated listeners and callers are holding patiently, so let us move on.
[01:51:39.360 --> 01:51:40.360]  Okay.
[01:51:40.360 --> 01:51:41.360]  Thanks a lot, guys.
[01:51:41.360 --> 01:51:42.360]  Thanks, Mike.
[01:51:42.360 --> 01:51:43.360]  All right.
[01:51:43.360 --> 01:51:44.360]  Bye.
[01:51:44.360 --> 01:51:45.360]  Okay.
[01:51:45.360 --> 01:51:46.360]  Bye.
[01:51:46.360 --> 01:51:47.360]  All right.
[01:51:47.360 --> 01:51:48.360]  We've got Scott, Jim, and Christian.
[01:51:48.360 --> 01:51:49.360]  Okay.
[01:51:49.360 --> 01:51:53.360]  We're going to try to get to you guys in a timely manner.
[01:51:53.360 --> 01:51:55.360]  Okay, Scott, thank you for waiting patiently.
[01:51:55.360 --> 01:51:56.360]  Thank you for calling in.
[01:51:56.360 --> 01:51:57.360]  What's on your mind tonight?
[01:51:57.360 --> 01:52:00.360]  Hey, just I want you to keep up the good work, okay?
[01:52:00.360 --> 01:52:04.360]  And I was – the only reason I'm on this line is because I was listening on the other
[01:52:04.360 --> 01:52:10.360]  line and I lost you at 1 o'clock, so I didn't experiment and tried this, so I was able to
[01:52:10.360 --> 01:52:12.360]  catch up with – keep up with your show.
[01:52:12.360 --> 01:52:13.360]  Good.
[01:52:13.360 --> 01:52:14.360]  Well, thank you.
[01:52:14.360 --> 01:52:15.360]  Yes, and I did want to make an announcement.
[01:52:15.360 --> 01:52:21.360]  Our listener line is back up, 512-485-9010.
[01:52:21.360 --> 01:52:29.360]  On the regularly scheduled times, we are doing an extended version of our show tonight, and
[01:52:29.360 --> 01:52:32.360]  so that's why our show wasn't on the listener line.
[01:52:32.360 --> 01:52:37.360]  But I'm so glad that you called in tonight, Scott.
[01:52:37.360 --> 01:52:42.360]  Well, yeah, I caught you on the listener line at 1 o'clock, and then I guess GC hadn't
[01:52:42.360 --> 01:52:45.360]  kicked back in.
[01:52:45.360 --> 01:52:53.360]  Do you have any comments tonight, Scott, on the multifarious – as many topics that we
[01:52:53.360 --> 01:52:57.360]  have covered since earlier this evening?
[01:52:57.360 --> 01:53:03.360]  I didn't, but when Randy was talking about Vietnam and what not, I do have a person that,
[01:53:03.360 --> 01:53:09.360]  you know, on the way you guys attack the system, I do have a personal friend that's a Vietnam
[01:53:09.360 --> 01:53:16.360]  veteran, and when he was in Vietnam, when he was issued his M16, the piece of junk that
[01:53:16.360 --> 01:53:21.360]  it was, somehow or another he got the idea to get a hold of an attorney stateside or
[01:53:21.360 --> 01:53:27.360]  whatever, and he filed a lawsuit against, I guess, the government or the military or
[01:53:27.360 --> 01:53:33.360]  something like that, and pursued it well enough to one day – I forget the exact details
[01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:37.360]  of the story, but one day as he was going about his business, I guess somebody with
[01:53:37.360 --> 01:53:44.360]  a bunch of stripes walked up to him, took his M16 away from him, and handed him an M14.
[01:53:44.360 --> 01:53:46.360]  M14?
[01:53:46.360 --> 01:53:48.360]  I believe –
[01:53:48.360 --> 01:53:51.360]  The M16 had a real bad habit of –
[01:53:51.360 --> 01:53:52.360]  Jamming up.
[01:53:52.360 --> 01:53:56.360]  Of jamming when you really needed it the most.
[01:53:56.360 --> 01:54:03.360]  Well, I know it was the M16 that he was complaining about, and I'm pretty sure that the next
[01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:06.360]  best thing was the M14, and that was the M14.
[01:54:06.360 --> 01:54:07.360]  That was.
[01:54:07.360 --> 01:54:10.360]  The M14 didn't fire as fast.
[01:54:10.360 --> 01:54:15.360]  In other words, that's what they originally had, then they stuck you with the M16, and
[01:54:15.360 --> 01:54:23.360]  somehow he managed to file a lawsuit against the government, and –
[01:54:23.360 --> 01:54:28.360]  Well, I would be very interested in learning about that because –
[01:54:28.360 --> 01:54:34.360]  Apparently, they decided to set a lot of court, and they handed him another weapon.
[01:54:34.360 --> 01:54:40.360]  Okay, I am really, really intrigued by this because from what I understand about individuals
[01:54:40.360 --> 01:54:45.360]  that join the military, basically you give up – you sign away all your rights.
[01:54:45.360 --> 01:54:50.360]  You are property, literal property of the US government.
[01:54:50.360 --> 01:54:51.360]  You can't sue them.
[01:54:51.360 --> 01:54:58.360]  You can't exercise your freedom of speech, on and on and on, so I would like to know
[01:54:58.360 --> 01:55:01.360]  what the parameters of this are.
[01:55:01.360 --> 01:55:09.360]  Did this person sue after they got – or he or she got out of military, or what?
[01:55:09.360 --> 01:55:12.360]  Well, he was there.
[01:55:12.360 --> 01:55:14.360]  While he was enlisted, or –
[01:55:14.360 --> 01:55:16.360]  Well, he was in Vietnam.
[01:55:16.360 --> 01:55:17.360]  He sued?
[01:55:17.360 --> 01:55:18.360]  Yeah.
[01:55:18.360 --> 01:55:22.360]  He filed a lawsuit, and I don't know what became about it, but they took his M16 away
[01:55:22.360 --> 01:55:26.360]  from him and gave him, I believe – I could be wrong – they gave him another weapon.
[01:55:26.360 --> 01:55:28.360]  I'm just assuming it was the M14.
[01:55:28.360 --> 01:55:30.360]  Probably the M14, yeah.
[01:55:30.360 --> 01:55:34.360]  The M14 was a much more reliable weapon.
[01:55:34.360 --> 01:55:35.360]  Why did he sue?
[01:55:35.360 --> 01:55:37.360]  The M16 fired more quickly.
[01:55:37.360 --> 01:55:38.360]  Why did he sue?
[01:55:38.360 --> 01:55:40.360]  Because it wasn't a reliable weapon?
[01:55:40.360 --> 01:55:42.360]  Yeah, something to that effect.
[01:55:42.360 --> 01:55:44.360]  The M16 was prone to jamming.
[01:55:44.360 --> 01:55:51.360]  Randy, does a soldier have the right to sue the US government for issuing him an unreliable
[01:55:51.360 --> 01:55:53.360]  weapon, or him or her?
[01:55:53.360 --> 01:55:57.360]  I'd have to – yes.
[01:55:57.360 --> 01:55:59.360]  It's contract, right?
[01:55:59.360 --> 01:56:00.360]  Okay.
[01:56:00.360 --> 01:56:11.360]  I had a – you can't be required to obey an order that could get you killed.
[01:56:11.360 --> 01:56:13.360]  You have to do that voluntarily.
[01:56:13.360 --> 01:56:15.360]  I'll try to get you guys connected one of these days.
[01:56:15.360 --> 01:56:16.360]  How's that?
[01:56:16.360 --> 01:56:17.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:56:17.360 --> 01:56:23.360]  Randy, are you saying that even if you're either enlisted or drafted, you are not required
[01:56:23.360 --> 01:56:26.360]  to obey an order that could get you killed?
[01:56:26.360 --> 01:56:27.360]  No.
[01:56:27.360 --> 01:56:28.360]  I had a –
[01:56:28.360 --> 01:56:29.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:56:29.360 --> 01:56:30.360]  What the heck?
[01:56:30.360 --> 01:56:31.360]  Then why didn't –
[01:56:31.360 --> 01:56:32.360]  Hold on.
[01:56:32.360 --> 01:56:35.360]  Then why didn't all these soldiers say, I ain't going out on the front lines because
[01:56:35.360 --> 01:56:38.360]  I'm going to get shot?
[01:56:38.360 --> 01:56:41.360]  Well, it has to be a little more specific than that.
[01:56:41.360 --> 01:56:51.360]  We had an aircraft come in with a blown – let's see, the right – the tires on the right
[01:56:51.360 --> 01:56:52.360]  side were blown.
[01:56:52.360 --> 01:56:55.360]  The aircraft came in.
[01:56:55.360 --> 01:56:56.360]  It sat down.
[01:56:56.360 --> 01:56:57.360]  They formed up the runway.
[01:56:57.360 --> 01:57:03.360]  The aircraft sat down, erupted into flames, burnt the aircraft.
[01:57:03.360 --> 01:57:04.360]  They put it out.
[01:57:04.360 --> 01:57:06.360]  It's kind of a long story.
[01:57:06.360 --> 01:57:07.360]  Okay.
[01:57:07.360 --> 01:57:08.360]  Wait a minute.
[01:57:08.360 --> 01:57:11.360]  But the EOD ordered us to go out and download the aircraft, and I refused.
[01:57:11.360 --> 01:57:12.360]  Okay.
[01:57:12.360 --> 01:57:15.360]  Listen, I think I know where you're going.
[01:57:15.360 --> 01:57:24.360]  The military soldiers, the enlisted individuals, are not required to put their lives at risk
[01:57:24.360 --> 01:57:26.360]  on administrative orders.
[01:57:26.360 --> 01:57:27.360]  Yes.
[01:57:27.360 --> 01:57:35.360]  But as far as what would be the analogy to judicial orders, you go out on the front line.
[01:57:35.360 --> 01:57:39.360]  They can't buck up against that.
[01:57:39.360 --> 01:57:47.360]  But when it comes to administrative orders, they can have cause to say, I'm not going
[01:57:47.360 --> 01:57:54.360]  to go download nuclear bombs off of a fighter jet that's on fire.
[01:57:54.360 --> 01:57:55.360]  Exactly.
[01:57:55.360 --> 01:57:56.360]  Okay.
[01:57:56.360 --> 01:57:57.360]  So it's administrative.
[01:57:57.360 --> 01:57:58.360]  Yeah.
[01:57:58.360 --> 01:57:59.360]  Okay.
[01:57:59.360 --> 01:58:00.360]  I get it.
[01:58:00.360 --> 01:58:01.360]  Yeah.
[01:58:01.360 --> 01:58:04.360]  We called out EOD, and EOD certified the aircraft safe to download.
[01:58:04.360 --> 01:58:07.360]  And I said, screw that.
[01:58:07.360 --> 01:58:09.360]  And they called out the base commander.
[01:58:09.360 --> 01:58:16.360]  The base commander comes out, and the explosive EOD, Explosive Ordnance Disposal, they get
[01:58:16.360 --> 01:58:23.360]  hazardous duty pay, and it is their duty to download aircraft that's been on fire.
[01:58:23.360 --> 01:58:36.360]  They take a weapon, a 750-pound bomb, cast inside it like concrete, and it's cast in
[01:58:36.360 --> 01:58:46.360]  a star-shaped cast so that when the fuse explodes inside the bomb, the star shape inside has
[01:58:46.360 --> 01:58:49.360]  a lot of surface area to burn on.
[01:58:49.360 --> 01:58:55.360]  And it burns a lot of surface area at one time, so the surface area burns, increases
[01:58:55.360 --> 01:59:04.360]  pressure, and at some point, all of the explosive in the bomb from the pressure of the burning
[01:59:04.360 --> 01:59:07.360]  inside will detonate all at once.
[01:59:07.360 --> 01:59:15.360]  Well, if the aircraft comes in and catches on fire, and the fuse doesn't go off, all
[01:59:15.360 --> 01:59:21.360]  of the tritonal in there gets heated, and if you get one piece broken off in there from
[01:59:21.360 --> 01:59:27.360]  the heat, and you move the bomb, and it slides and causes a spark, it can go off.
[01:59:27.360 --> 01:59:29.360]  And it's kind of like a firecracker.
[01:59:29.360 --> 01:59:34.360]  If you rip it open and light it, you know how it fuses?
[01:59:34.360 --> 01:59:39.360]  Well, imagine 750 pounds doing that.
[01:59:39.360 --> 01:59:45.360]  Yeah, and then they want to put your life at risk to say, oh, unload that bomb off the
[01:59:45.360 --> 01:59:46.360]  airplane.
[01:59:46.360 --> 01:59:48.360]  Yeah, they wouldn't find a grease spot.
[01:59:48.360 --> 01:59:55.360]  So, explosive ordnance disposal, this aircraft comes in, and it lands with a gear missing.
[01:59:55.360 --> 02:00:01.360]  It catches on fire, rotate, you know, it spins around on the runway, and erupts in fire.
[02:00:01.360 --> 02:00:04.360]  They put the fire out, and they want us to go out and download it.
[02:00:04.360 --> 02:00:06.360]  Yeah, you do it.
[02:00:06.360 --> 02:00:11.360]  And I said, tell all the explosive ordnance disposal, screw you, I could get killed doing
[02:00:11.360 --> 02:00:12.360]  that.
[02:00:12.360 --> 02:00:13.360]  You can't order me to do something.
[02:00:13.360 --> 02:00:18.360]  Yeah, and Randy had a right to do that because it was an administrative order putting his
[02:00:18.360 --> 02:00:20.360]  life and his crew's life at stake.
[02:00:20.360 --> 02:00:23.360]  Listeners, Randy was a sergeant in the Air Force.
[02:00:23.360 --> 02:00:29.360]  You can't order someone to do something that's almost certain to get them killed.
[02:00:29.360 --> 02:00:40.360]  Now, you can order them into combat, but you can't order a soldier into a suicide mission.
[02:00:40.360 --> 02:00:44.360]  The Japanese could do that, but the Americans can't do that.
[02:00:44.360 --> 02:00:50.360]  So, explosive ordnance disposal will come out and look at the aircraft and said, okay,
[02:00:50.360 --> 02:00:56.360]  they got about 200 yards from the airplane, and they looked at it, and they said, okay,
[02:00:56.360 --> 02:00:59.360]  we certify it's safe to download.
[02:00:59.360 --> 02:01:01.360]  Yeah, well, then they can download it then.
[02:01:01.360 --> 02:01:02.360]  You do it.
[02:01:02.360 --> 02:01:06.360]  So, they told us we could go download it, and I said, screw you, Bubba.
[02:01:06.360 --> 02:01:09.360]  We ain't downloading it because I was the crew chief.
[02:01:09.360 --> 02:01:13.360]  So, they called out Squadron Commander.
[02:01:13.360 --> 02:01:20.360]  Commander came out and Explosive Ordnance Disposal, who got hazardous duty pay, which
[02:01:20.360 --> 02:01:23.360]  we did not, and they did nothing all day.
[02:01:23.360 --> 02:01:28.360]  We loaded bombs and rockets on fighter-type aircraft all day long, 12 hours a day, seven
[02:01:28.360 --> 02:01:29.360]  days a week.
[02:01:29.360 --> 02:01:30.360]  They did nothing.
[02:01:30.360 --> 02:01:32.360]  They got hazardous duty pay.
[02:01:32.360 --> 02:01:36.360]  So, we get a ship clobber in, and they want us to download it.
[02:01:36.360 --> 02:01:39.360]  We said, screw you, jackass.
[02:01:39.360 --> 02:01:46.360]  So, the commander came out, and he came up to me.
[02:01:46.360 --> 02:01:54.360]  I was the OIC, the NCOIC of our duty sector.
[02:01:54.360 --> 02:01:56.360]  He was the boss, in other words.
[02:01:56.360 --> 02:01:57.360]  Crew chief.
[02:01:57.360 --> 02:02:02.360]  And he knew me personally because we had had some difficulty before.
[02:02:02.360 --> 02:02:04.360]  Yeah, because Rainbows did no shit.
[02:02:04.360 --> 02:02:05.360]  That's why.
[02:02:05.360 --> 02:02:06.360]  Excuse me.
[02:02:06.360 --> 02:02:07.360]  I'm sorry.
[02:02:07.360 --> 02:02:08.360]  He said, Airman Kelton.
[02:02:08.360 --> 02:02:09.360]  3 o'clock in the morning.
[02:02:09.360 --> 02:02:11.360]  My ticket, you didn't download his aircraft.
[02:02:11.360 --> 02:02:12.360]  No, sir.
[02:02:12.360 --> 02:02:15.360]  Well, why didn't you download his aircraft, Airman Kelton?
[02:02:15.360 --> 02:02:20.360]  Well, sir, we could get killed, sir.
[02:02:20.360 --> 02:02:24.360]  So, Explosive Ordnance Disposal was having a fit about it.
[02:02:24.360 --> 02:02:27.360]  And he asked them, I said, well, what's the deal here?
[02:02:27.360 --> 02:02:34.360]  And he said, well, sir, we have certified this aircraft safety download.
[02:02:34.360 --> 02:02:38.360]  And the commander was also a fighter pilot.
[02:02:38.360 --> 02:02:40.360]  And I was explosive.
[02:02:40.360 --> 02:02:42.360]  I was a weapons troop.
[02:02:42.360 --> 02:02:48.360]  So I was one of the ones that de-armed the aircraft on the runway
[02:02:48.360 --> 02:02:51.360]  and armed the aircraft before the aircraft left the runway.
[02:02:51.360 --> 02:02:55.360]  So most of the pilots knew us.
[02:02:55.360 --> 02:02:59.360]  So when EOD certified the aircraft's safety download
[02:02:59.360 --> 02:03:03.360]  and accused us of refusing to download the aircraft,
[02:03:03.360 --> 02:03:07.360]  the commander said to the EOD sergeant, he said,
[02:03:07.360 --> 02:03:15.360]  Sergeant, if you have certified the aircraft safety download, you won't mind downloading it, will you?
[02:03:15.360 --> 02:03:17.360]  Yeah, that's right.
[02:03:17.360 --> 02:03:21.360]  If that guy certified it's safety download, then he can go downloading himself.
[02:03:21.360 --> 02:03:32.360]  You see, even the base commander could not order me to direct my crew to download that aircraft.
[02:03:32.360 --> 02:03:33.360]  Why is that?
[02:03:33.360 --> 02:03:35.360]  He was your superior officer.
[02:03:35.360 --> 02:03:39.360]  Because I could get killed downloading that aircraft.
[02:03:39.360 --> 02:03:40.360]  I don't understand.
[02:03:40.360 --> 02:03:42.360]  He's still your superior officer.
[02:03:42.360 --> 02:03:52.360]  Explosive ordnance disposal was specifically trained to download specifically dangerous aircraft.
[02:03:52.360 --> 02:03:55.360]  He could not order us to commit suicide.
[02:03:55.360 --> 02:03:57.360]  It was an administrative hazard.
[02:03:57.360 --> 02:03:59.360]  Exactly.
[02:03:59.360 --> 02:04:08.360]  And EOD, they were specifically trained to do that job that was their job to do, not ours.
[02:04:08.360 --> 02:04:09.360]  Yeah.
[02:04:09.360 --> 02:04:16.360]  And to our commander's credit, he told the EOD, he said,
[02:04:16.360 --> 02:04:24.360]  Sergeant, since you have certified the aircraft safety download, you won't mind downloading it, will you?
[02:04:24.360 --> 02:04:26.360]  Yeah, well, good for him.
[02:04:26.360 --> 02:04:27.360]  And they downloaded it.
[02:04:27.360 --> 02:04:35.360]  And the commander, we were standing there watching him and the jammer driver, the bomb lift truck driver,
[02:04:35.360 --> 02:04:41.360]  who was operating the bomb lift truck that went under and picked the bomb off the aircraft.
[02:04:41.360 --> 02:04:43.360]  He had a cigarette in his mouth.
[02:04:43.360 --> 02:04:44.360]  What?
[02:04:44.360 --> 02:04:46.360]  Yeah, the guys are nuts.
[02:04:46.360 --> 02:04:48.360]  Well, actually, it wasn't that dangerous.
[02:04:48.360 --> 02:04:51.360]  But the cigarette was vibrating up and down.
[02:04:51.360 --> 02:04:58.360]  And the commander looked at that cigarette and he said, he might drop fire with that cigarette.
[02:04:58.360 --> 02:05:02.360]  I said, yes, sir, it's a good chance he may do that.
[02:05:02.360 --> 02:05:08.360]  The commander said, it's a good thing that aircraft is safe to download.
[02:05:08.360 --> 02:05:13.360]  Sir, yes, sir, it's a good thing that aircraft is safe to download.
[02:05:13.360 --> 02:05:17.360]  Jackasses.
[02:05:17.360 --> 02:05:22.360]  I don't even remember why we got to this subject.
[02:05:22.360 --> 02:05:25.360]  I try to avoid war stories.
[02:05:25.360 --> 02:05:29.360]  It's one of the places I don't like to go.
[02:05:29.360 --> 02:05:35.360]  OK, look, listeners, Randy is a combat veteran.
[02:05:35.360 --> 02:05:38.360]  Look, nobody wants to toot their own horn.
[02:05:38.360 --> 02:05:39.360]  Randy bigs me up.
[02:05:39.360 --> 02:05:40.360]  I'm going to big him up.
[02:05:40.360 --> 02:05:42.360]  He's a combat veteran.
[02:05:42.360 --> 02:05:45.360]  He's an Air Force sergeant.
[02:05:45.360 --> 02:05:47.360]  He's loaded nuclear weapons.
[02:05:47.360 --> 02:06:02.360]  He knows for damn sure that there is no way in hell that there was some mistake of, you know, nuclear weapons getting transported from one place to another on these planes.
[02:06:02.360 --> 02:06:19.360]  OK, when was this like six months, a year ago, because the protocol is so extreme, there's literally hundreds of people involved and nothing moves as far as nuclear weapons without a presidential sign statement.
[02:06:19.360 --> 02:06:28.360]  OK, listen, this cruise missiles accidentally sent to Louisiana.
[02:06:28.360 --> 02:06:29.360]  That's right.
[02:06:29.360 --> 02:06:32.360]  Accidental. Give me a break.
[02:06:32.360 --> 02:06:36.360]  Nuclear warheads do not accidentally move anywhere.
[02:06:36.360 --> 02:06:44.360]  And Randy knows for sure because he's loaded them and unloaded them on fighter pilots.
[02:06:44.360 --> 02:06:47.360]  And he knows because he was in the military.
[02:06:47.360 --> 02:06:53.360]  And look, I'm here to tell you right now, we ain't playing games.
[02:06:53.360 --> 02:06:57.360]  OK, Randy's not playing and I am not playing.
[02:06:57.360 --> 02:07:01.360]  OK, Randy lost his twin brother.
[02:07:01.360 --> 02:07:09.360]  I haven't lost any particular specific family member, but I feel like I've lost 80 percent of my family and all of this.
[02:07:09.360 --> 02:07:11.360]  And we ain't playing games.
[02:07:11.360 --> 02:07:13.360]  We are not playing games.
[02:07:13.360 --> 02:07:18.360]  OK, and we appreciate every single one of you.
[02:07:18.360 --> 02:07:20.360]  And our callers are holding on.
[02:07:20.360 --> 02:07:22.360]  Randy, let's go to callers.
[02:07:22.360 --> 02:07:24.360]  This is not a place I like.
[02:07:24.360 --> 02:07:26.360]  OK, look, Randy, come on.
[02:07:26.360 --> 02:07:28.360]  Chin up, chin up, man.
[02:07:28.360 --> 02:07:29.360]  Chin up.
[02:07:29.360 --> 02:07:32.360]  Come on.
[02:07:32.360 --> 02:07:33.360]  I apologize.
[02:07:33.360 --> 02:07:36.360]  This is not a place I like to go.
[02:07:36.360 --> 02:07:43.360]  I know a number of people who've been in combat and it's not a place we like to go back to.
[02:07:43.360 --> 02:07:44.360]  Roughneck business.
[02:07:44.360 --> 02:07:45.360]  Come on.
[02:07:45.360 --> 02:07:46.360]  Roughneck business.
[02:07:46.360 --> 02:07:47.360]  Come on.
[02:07:47.360 --> 02:07:48.360]  Let's go to our callers.
[02:07:48.360 --> 02:07:49.360]  OK.
[02:07:49.360 --> 02:07:52.360]  Scott, do you have anything else for us?
[02:07:52.360 --> 02:07:53.360]  No, that's it.
[02:07:53.360 --> 02:07:57.360]  I just pray for you guys and I want you to keep up the good work, OK?
[02:07:57.360 --> 02:07:58.360]  Thank you.
[02:07:58.360 --> 02:08:00.360]  Be sure to send us an email.
[02:08:00.360 --> 02:08:07.360]  I would like to schedule you for a show that we can do on collection procedures.
[02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:09.360]  You got the wrong guy.
[02:08:09.360 --> 02:08:11.360]  No, you're talking about Mike.
[02:08:11.360 --> 02:08:12.360]  Come on.
[02:08:12.360 --> 02:08:13.360]  Come on.
[02:08:13.360 --> 02:08:14.360]  I'm losing.
[02:08:14.360 --> 02:08:15.360]  Come on.
[02:08:15.360 --> 02:08:16.360]  Forgive Randy.
[02:08:16.360 --> 02:08:17.360]  This is a hard place for me to go to.
[02:08:17.360 --> 02:08:18.360]  Listeners, forgive Randy.
[02:08:18.360 --> 02:08:20.360]  This is way past his bedtime.
[02:08:20.360 --> 02:08:25.360]  I'll try to get that guy in touch with you about that weapons issue and I'll just sit
[02:08:25.360 --> 02:08:28.360]  back here and listen and enjoy the rest of the program tonight.
[02:08:28.360 --> 02:08:29.360]  OK.
[02:08:29.360 --> 02:08:31.360]  Listeners, you're getting a special treat tonight.
[02:08:31.360 --> 02:08:33.360]  We're laying our hearts out on our sleeves.
[02:08:33.360 --> 02:08:35.360]  Me and Randy both.
[02:08:35.360 --> 02:08:40.360]  So enjoy it please and thank you for supporting us.
[02:08:40.360 --> 02:08:41.360]  OK.
[02:08:41.360 --> 02:08:42.360]  We got two more callers.
[02:08:42.360 --> 02:08:45.360]  We got Jim in Missouri, Christian in Florida.
[02:08:45.360 --> 02:08:46.360]  OK.
[02:08:46.360 --> 02:08:48.360]  Jim, thank you for calling in.
[02:08:48.360 --> 02:08:50.360]  Enjoy your time tonight.
[02:08:50.360 --> 02:08:52.360]  Randy, are you OK?
[02:08:52.360 --> 02:08:54.360]  Sometimes I'm better than others.
[02:08:54.360 --> 02:08:55.360]  Come on, Randy.
[02:08:55.360 --> 02:08:56.360]  Chin up.
[02:08:56.360 --> 02:08:57.360]  Chin up, man.
[02:08:57.360 --> 02:08:58.360]  Chin up.
[02:08:58.360 --> 02:09:02.360]  Well, I've been on here for about five hours.
[02:09:02.360 --> 02:09:03.360]  I know you have.
[02:09:03.360 --> 02:09:06.360]  I know.
[02:09:06.360 --> 02:09:12.360]  Randy and Deborah, do you guys get on to the legal information?
[02:09:12.360 --> 02:09:15.360]  Can you still hear me?
[02:09:15.360 --> 02:09:18.360]  Say that again.
[02:09:18.360 --> 02:09:24.360]  The Legal Information Institute, it's law.cornell.edu?
[02:09:24.360 --> 02:09:25.360]  No.
[02:09:25.360 --> 02:09:26.360]  No.
[02:09:26.360 --> 02:09:27.360]  OK.
[02:09:27.360 --> 02:09:33.360]  Well, you can access the United States Code and rules of civil...
[02:09:33.360 --> 02:09:38.360]  Actually, I think one of our listeners has sent me links.
[02:09:38.360 --> 02:09:43.360]  He set up links to different state statutes.
[02:09:43.360 --> 02:09:50.360]  Well, no, you can go straight to it and you can get United States Code,
[02:09:50.360 --> 02:09:55.360]  rules of federal civil procedure, criminal procedure.
[02:09:55.360 --> 02:09:57.360]  I have Lexis.
[02:09:57.360 --> 02:10:04.360]  Well, you actually don't even need Lexis to access it anyway.
[02:10:04.360 --> 02:10:12.360]  I've got a court case in federal court and I filed a motion for summary judgment.
[02:10:12.360 --> 02:10:25.360]  And under Rule 56, I saw in there that the opposing party's obligation to respond.
[02:10:25.360 --> 02:10:30.360]  They have to respond, but there's not a time limit.
[02:10:30.360 --> 02:10:33.360]  I can't find a time limit.
[02:10:33.360 --> 02:10:36.360]  How soon do they have to respond?
[02:10:36.360 --> 02:10:38.360]  Do you have any idea of that?
[02:10:38.360 --> 02:10:41.360]  Is this a state case or federal?
[02:10:41.360 --> 02:10:43.360]  No, it's federal, federal.
[02:10:43.360 --> 02:10:49.360]  You only have 30 days, except that in certain cases, like in state,
[02:10:49.360 --> 02:10:55.360]  you have 20 days after the Monday...
[02:10:55.360 --> 02:11:01.360]  OK, you got the Monday after the 20th of the day.
[02:11:01.360 --> 02:11:04.360]  That's what it says in Texas.
[02:11:04.360 --> 02:11:09.360]  But generally, you can say 30 days as a standard.
[02:11:09.360 --> 02:11:15.360]  Well, in federal, the only thing that I've found is I've found 20 days
[02:11:15.360 --> 02:11:18.360]  and I've found 10 days.
[02:11:18.360 --> 02:11:21.360]  But nothing seems to be appropriate to me.
[02:11:21.360 --> 02:11:23.360]  I'm the plaintiff.
[02:11:23.360 --> 02:11:26.360]  Well, how long has it been?
[02:11:26.360 --> 02:11:28.360]  It's been seven days.
[02:11:28.360 --> 02:11:29.360]  Seven?
[02:11:29.360 --> 02:11:30.360]  Yes.
[02:11:30.360 --> 02:11:31.360]  OK.
[02:11:31.360 --> 02:11:37.360]  Don't raise any issue until it's been at least 30 days.
[02:11:37.360 --> 02:11:47.360]  Nowhere in law have I seen a requirement to respond beyond 30 days.
[02:11:47.360 --> 02:11:52.360]  If it's beyond 30 days, then you can presume that they didn't respond.
[02:11:52.360 --> 02:11:54.360]  OK.
[02:11:54.360 --> 02:12:02.360]  By the way, this is an action at common law.
[02:12:02.360 --> 02:12:03.360]  OK.
[02:12:03.360 --> 02:12:05.360]  How did you get to common law?
[02:12:05.360 --> 02:12:07.360]  I've declared it.
[02:12:07.360 --> 02:12:08.360]  No, no, no.
[02:12:08.360 --> 02:12:10.360]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:12:10.360 --> 02:12:13.360]  It goes to hierarchy of law.
[02:12:13.360 --> 02:12:16.360]  Statutory law is first.
[02:12:16.360 --> 02:12:17.360]  No, it isn't.
[02:12:17.360 --> 02:12:18.360]  Absolutely it is.
[02:12:18.360 --> 02:12:20.360]  Yes, it is.
[02:12:20.360 --> 02:12:25.360]  A lot of guys out here in the legal reform community are doing a lot of
[02:12:25.360 --> 02:12:28.360]  song and dance about common law being first.
[02:12:28.360 --> 02:12:30.360]  No, it is not.
[02:12:30.360 --> 02:12:32.360]  Statutory law is first.
[02:12:32.360 --> 02:12:40.360]  Common law applies when statutory law does not cover an issue.
[02:12:40.360 --> 02:12:44.360]  Be really careful about what there's a lot of guys.
[02:12:44.360 --> 02:12:49.360]  I almost think that the federal government is putting people out there to
[02:12:49.360 --> 02:12:55.360]  tell us a bunch of crap so that we get our ass kicked.
[02:12:55.360 --> 02:12:56.360]  Look, we do not.
[02:12:56.360 --> 02:12:57.360]  I'm sorry.
[02:12:57.360 --> 02:12:58.360]  Anus kicked.
[02:12:58.360 --> 02:12:59.360]  We do not.
[02:12:59.360 --> 02:13:03.360]  I want to stretch this thing out, OK?
[02:13:03.360 --> 02:13:07.360]  Are the courts in Texas courts of record?
[02:13:07.360 --> 02:13:08.360]  Yes.
[02:13:08.360 --> 02:13:09.360]  Well, OK.
[02:13:09.360 --> 02:13:15.360]  All but, for the most part, all of the courts are courts of record except
[02:13:15.360 --> 02:13:17.360]  municipal courts.
[02:13:17.360 --> 02:13:22.360]  But most of the municipal courts now are courts of record.
[02:13:22.360 --> 02:13:26.360]  And that's a similar issue with me.
[02:13:26.360 --> 02:13:28.360]  I understand.
[02:13:28.360 --> 02:13:30.360]  But I'm not in a municipal court.
[02:13:30.360 --> 02:13:31.360]  Are you in Texas?
[02:13:31.360 --> 02:13:32.360]  Turkey court.
[02:13:32.360 --> 02:13:33.360]  Wait a minute.
[02:13:33.360 --> 02:13:34.360]  He's in Missouri.
[02:13:34.360 --> 02:13:35.360]  Missouri?
[02:13:35.360 --> 02:13:36.360]  Yes.
[02:13:36.360 --> 02:13:39.360]  Are you involved in a state case or a federal case?
[02:13:39.360 --> 02:13:40.360]  OK.
[02:13:40.360 --> 02:13:41.360]  No.
[02:13:41.360 --> 02:13:42.360]  Wait.
[02:13:42.360 --> 02:13:43.360]  Hold on.
[02:13:43.360 --> 02:13:44.360]  OK.
[02:13:44.360 --> 02:13:45.360]  It doesn't matter.
[02:13:45.360 --> 02:13:46.360]  Federal courts are always courts of record.
[02:13:46.360 --> 02:13:47.360]  So you're in a...
[02:13:47.360 --> 02:13:48.360]  Federal court.
[02:13:48.360 --> 02:13:49.360]  OK.
[02:13:49.360 --> 02:13:50.360]  Missouri.
[02:13:50.360 --> 02:13:51.360]  OK.
[02:13:51.360 --> 02:13:52.360]  Now.
[02:13:52.360 --> 02:13:53.360]  OK.
[02:13:53.360 --> 02:14:00.360]  I would suggest calling to Tony Show because he's the federal court expert, especially
[02:14:00.360 --> 02:14:01.360]  in Missouri.
[02:14:01.360 --> 02:14:02.360]  Yes.
[02:14:02.360 --> 02:14:03.360]  OK.
[02:14:03.360 --> 02:14:04.360]  Well, let's keep going.
[02:14:04.360 --> 02:14:05.360]  But go ahead.
[02:14:05.360 --> 02:14:06.360]  Go ahead, Randy.
[02:14:06.360 --> 02:14:07.360]  That was just a little tidbit of advice.
[02:14:07.360 --> 02:14:08.360]  Go ahead.
[02:14:08.360 --> 02:14:09.360]  Go ahead.
[02:14:09.360 --> 02:14:10.360]  OK.
[02:14:10.360 --> 02:14:16.360]  Now, I declared the law of the case that we're proceeding according to a court of record.
[02:14:16.360 --> 02:14:25.360]  Black's Fourth Dictionary, court of record, definition.
[02:14:25.360 --> 02:14:31.360]  One of the parts of it is that it proceeds according to the common law.
[02:14:31.360 --> 02:14:32.360]  OK.
[02:14:32.360 --> 02:14:33.360]  Hold on.
[02:14:33.360 --> 02:14:34.360]  Hold on.
[02:14:34.360 --> 02:14:35.360]  Hold on.
[02:14:35.360 --> 02:14:36.360]  Wait.
[02:14:36.360 --> 02:14:37.360]  Black's Law Dictionary.
[02:14:37.360 --> 02:14:38.360]  Black's Fourth.
[02:14:38.360 --> 02:14:42.360]  Black's Law is not law.
[02:14:42.360 --> 02:14:46.360]  No, but that is the definition of the terms.
[02:14:46.360 --> 02:14:47.360]  Yeah.
[02:14:47.360 --> 02:14:48.360]  OK.
[02:14:48.360 --> 02:14:53.360]  From Black's Law, you need to move back to Missouri statute.
[02:14:53.360 --> 02:14:54.360]  No.
[02:14:54.360 --> 02:14:55.360]  If you're...
[02:14:55.360 --> 02:14:56.360]  OK.
[02:14:56.360 --> 02:14:57.360]  I'm sorry.
[02:14:57.360 --> 02:14:58.360]  I'm sorry.
[02:14:58.360 --> 02:14:59.360]  You're under federal law?
[02:14:59.360 --> 02:15:01.360]  I'm under federal law.
[02:15:01.360 --> 02:15:02.360]  OK.
[02:15:02.360 --> 02:15:03.360]  OK.
[02:15:03.360 --> 02:15:04.360]  Good.
[02:15:04.360 --> 02:15:10.360]  How does Black's Law refer back to the federal law?
[02:15:10.360 --> 02:15:23.360]  Black's Law Dictionary is the definitions of the terms that are used in law.
[02:15:23.360 --> 02:15:24.360]  OK.
[02:15:24.360 --> 02:15:31.360]  Here is a problem that I have.
[02:15:31.360 --> 02:15:33.360]  Black's Law is not law.
[02:15:33.360 --> 02:15:34.360]  No, it isn't.
[02:15:34.360 --> 02:15:35.360]  But Black's Law...
[02:15:35.360 --> 02:15:42.360]  I declared it and they did not object to it.
[02:15:42.360 --> 02:15:43.360]  OK.
[02:15:43.360 --> 02:15:44.360]  Now it becomes law.
[02:15:44.360 --> 02:15:45.360]  OK.
[02:15:45.360 --> 02:15:46.360]  Can I ask something here?
[02:15:46.360 --> 02:15:47.360]  Can I ask something here?
[02:15:47.360 --> 02:15:48.360]  Yes.
[02:15:48.360 --> 02:15:49.360]  OK.
[02:15:49.360 --> 02:15:50.360]  Because you guys are way out of my league.
[02:15:50.360 --> 02:15:59.880]  But just coming from a perspective of a mathematician, a logician, in logic, in math, we work on
[02:15:59.880 --> 02:16:03.560]  axioms and definitions, OK?
[02:16:03.560 --> 02:16:12.080]  And so my question is, if you're working off of basic definitions, whether it's Black's
[02:16:12.080 --> 02:16:20.240]  Law or whatever, if those definitions and principles are not defined and accepted as
[02:16:20.240 --> 02:16:32.840]  axioms, as truths on the face, and then you build whatever law approves, theorems, etc.,
[02:16:32.840 --> 02:16:36.800]  up from that, what do you have to work with?
[02:16:36.800 --> 02:16:42.640]  Because it seems to me, just in my experience, that, oh, Black's Law, it's law, but it's
[02:16:42.640 --> 02:16:43.640]  not.
[02:16:43.640 --> 02:16:44.640]  It's definitions, but it's not.
[02:16:44.640 --> 02:16:47.640]  But what the heck do you have to work from?
[02:16:47.640 --> 02:16:50.880]  If he filed a motion stating that...
[02:16:50.880 --> 02:16:51.880]  No, no, no, no, no, wait.
[02:16:51.880 --> 02:16:52.880]  Wait.
[02:16:52.880 --> 02:16:53.880]  Forget about...
[02:16:53.880 --> 02:16:54.880]  No, no, no.
[02:16:54.880 --> 02:16:55.880]  Let me...
[02:16:55.880 --> 02:16:56.880]  Forget about motion.
[02:16:56.880 --> 02:16:57.880]  Let him explain where he's at.
[02:16:57.880 --> 02:16:58.880]  OK.
[02:16:58.880 --> 02:16:59.880]  I want to hear.
[02:16:59.880 --> 02:17:00.880]  I want to hear the caller.
[02:17:00.880 --> 02:17:08.880]  I want to hear this, but Black's Fourth actually gives you court cases that upholds the definition.
[02:17:08.880 --> 02:17:09.880]  Yeah.
[02:17:09.880 --> 02:17:10.880]  That's...
[02:17:10.880 --> 02:17:17.400]  When people talk about Black's Law, what I want to say is, OK, let's not rely on Black's
[02:17:17.400 --> 02:17:18.640]  Law.
[02:17:18.640 --> 02:17:26.280]  Let's rely on the stare decis that Black's Law references, and that's exactly what you're
[02:17:26.280 --> 02:17:27.280]  doing.
[02:17:27.280 --> 02:17:34.920]  I believe it was Black's Fourth that was the last dictionary that actually gave you court
[02:17:34.920 --> 02:17:38.280]  cases that supported the definition.
[02:17:38.280 --> 02:17:39.280]  OK.
[02:17:39.280 --> 02:17:40.280]  OK.
[02:17:40.280 --> 02:17:41.280]  I'm sorry.
[02:17:41.280 --> 02:17:42.280]  That's OK.
[02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:43.280]  OK.
[02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:44.280]  Look.
[02:17:44.280 --> 02:17:45.280]  Time out.
[02:17:45.280 --> 02:17:46.280]  Time out.
[02:17:46.280 --> 02:17:47.280]  Time out.
[02:17:47.280 --> 02:17:48.280]  Mathematician, bullying logic.
[02:17:48.280 --> 02:17:56.880]  It's redundant, cyclical reasoning that you use a theorem or a proof to support a definition.
[02:17:56.880 --> 02:17:58.040]  I'm sorry.
[02:17:58.040 --> 02:18:01.440]  The definition has to be on its face, accepted.
[02:18:01.440 --> 02:18:08.400]  You can't build logic proofs or theorems or arguments to support the reasoning of a definition.
[02:18:08.400 --> 02:18:09.400]  OK.
[02:18:09.400 --> 02:18:10.400]  A definition is a definition period.
[02:18:10.400 --> 02:18:11.400]  OK.
[02:18:11.400 --> 02:18:12.400]  But that's OK.
[02:18:12.400 --> 02:18:13.400]  You legal guys, just go ahead.
[02:18:13.400 --> 02:18:14.400]  OK.
[02:18:14.400 --> 02:18:15.400]  Black's Law.
[02:18:15.400 --> 02:18:16.400]  No, that's fine.
[02:18:16.400 --> 02:18:17.400]  But that's what I'm saying.
[02:18:17.400 --> 02:18:18.400]  If he states...
[02:18:18.400 --> 02:18:19.400]  No.
[02:18:19.400 --> 02:18:20.400]  Go ahead.
[02:18:20.400 --> 02:18:21.400]  Go ahead.
[02:18:21.400 --> 02:18:22.400]  I want to hear.
[02:18:22.400 --> 02:18:23.400]  I want to hear you legal guys.
[02:18:23.400 --> 02:18:24.400]  I want to hear you legal guys.
[02:18:24.400 --> 02:18:32.800]  If this hurts Black's Law definition, wherein Black's Law definition is supported by Star
[02:18:32.800 --> 02:18:33.800]  of Jesus...
[02:18:33.800 --> 02:18:34.800]  Yeah, but that's BS-rated.
[02:18:34.800 --> 02:18:35.800]  Let me finish.
[02:18:35.800 --> 02:18:36.800]  Let me finish.
[02:18:36.800 --> 02:18:37.800]  Oh, it's not.
[02:18:37.800 --> 02:18:38.800]  It's...
[02:18:38.800 --> 02:18:39.800]  And the other side doesn't rebut.
[02:18:39.800 --> 02:18:40.800]  Oh, whatever.
[02:18:40.800 --> 02:18:48.000]  Then they accept whatever he says as a matter of law and can no longer be rebutted.
[02:18:48.000 --> 02:18:49.000]  Oh, my God.
[02:18:49.000 --> 02:18:50.000]  You legal guys.
[02:18:50.000 --> 02:18:51.000]  There's something else.
[02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:52.000]  If...
[02:18:52.000 --> 02:18:53.480]  It's the way the law works.
[02:18:53.480 --> 02:19:05.760]  If I say that the sky is green and the sea is orange and the other side doesn't rebut,
[02:19:05.760 --> 02:19:15.640]  then the sky is green and the sea is orange as a matter of law and it cannot be rebutted
[02:19:15.640 --> 02:19:17.640]  subsequently.
[02:19:17.640 --> 02:19:25.840]  So if he has cited Black's Law and Black's Law is supported by Star of Jesus and the
[02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:34.200]  opposing counsel does not object to the citation that he makes, then it is accepted as a matter
[02:19:34.200 --> 02:19:35.200]  of law.
[02:19:35.200 --> 02:19:36.200]  Okay.
[02:19:36.200 --> 02:19:40.200]  Well, look, from a mathematician's point of view, I don't have a problem with...
[02:19:40.200 --> 02:19:44.080]  If you want to say the sky is green and the sea is orange and if the other person doesn't
[02:19:44.080 --> 02:19:47.960]  object, then it's a matter of truth, okay, that's fine.
[02:19:47.960 --> 02:19:56.480]  But the problem that I have as a logician is when you guys say that, oh, the definition
[02:19:56.480 --> 02:20:02.120]  is supported by Star of Jesus or case law or argument or whatever.
[02:20:02.120 --> 02:20:03.120]  No, I'm sorry.
[02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:08.200]  A definition is a definition and an axiom is an axiom accepted on its face.
[02:20:08.200 --> 02:20:13.800]  You either accept it or you don't because if you say, okay, here's the definition and
[02:20:13.800 --> 02:20:22.640]  the definition is backed up by reasoning that cyclically convolutes around, that's circular
[02:20:22.640 --> 02:20:23.640]  reasoning.
[02:20:23.640 --> 02:20:24.640]  I'm sorry.
[02:20:24.640 --> 02:20:25.640]  That is circular reasoning.
[02:20:25.640 --> 02:20:26.640]  It doesn't matter.
[02:20:26.640 --> 02:20:27.640]  You have to raise the issue.
[02:20:27.640 --> 02:20:28.640]  Whatever.
[02:20:28.640 --> 02:20:29.640]  Whatever.
[02:20:29.640 --> 02:20:30.640]  If you don't object...
[02:20:30.640 --> 02:20:31.640]  No, hold on.
[02:20:31.640 --> 02:20:32.640]  Let the caller.
[02:20:32.640 --> 02:20:33.640]  Let Jim say.
[02:20:33.640 --> 02:20:34.640]  Go ahead.
[02:20:34.640 --> 02:20:35.640]  Let Jim say.
[02:20:35.640 --> 02:20:36.640]  Hey, Deb.
[02:20:36.640 --> 02:20:37.640]  Okay.
[02:20:37.640 --> 02:20:40.640]  This is about being sovereign, correct?
[02:20:40.640 --> 02:20:41.640]  Okay.
[02:20:41.640 --> 02:20:42.640]  Yes.
[02:20:42.640 --> 02:20:43.640]  Okay.
[02:20:43.640 --> 02:20:54.440]  The Black's Law Dictionary, Fifth Edition, page 318, court, the person in suit of the
[02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:55.440]  sovereign.
[02:20:55.440 --> 02:20:56.440]  Wait.
[02:20:56.440 --> 02:20:57.440]  Say that again.
[02:20:57.440 --> 02:20:58.440]  The person in suit of the sovereign.
[02:20:58.440 --> 02:20:59.440]  The person in suit.
[02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:00.440]  Does that mean a pursuit of?
[02:21:00.440 --> 02:21:01.440]  Does that mean...
[02:21:01.440 --> 02:21:18.240]  Actually, in the old days, it was called the person in suite of the sovereign.
[02:21:18.240 --> 02:21:21.680]  What does that mean?
[02:21:21.680 --> 02:21:27.680]  That means that you're the king, you're the sovereign.
[02:21:27.680 --> 02:21:31.120]  The person in suite of the sovereign.
[02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:34.280]  You got to think back to the king days.
[02:21:34.280 --> 02:21:35.280]  No, but what does that...
[02:21:35.280 --> 02:21:36.280]  King George.
[02:21:36.280 --> 02:21:38.760]  But what does that syntax mean?
[02:21:38.760 --> 02:21:40.880]  What does that syntax mean?
[02:21:40.880 --> 02:21:41.880]  The person...
[02:21:41.880 --> 02:21:42.880]  That...
[02:21:42.880 --> 02:21:43.880]  Okay.
[02:21:43.880 --> 02:21:56.160]  Back in the old days, okay, if one of the serfs wanted to bring an issue to the king,
[02:21:56.160 --> 02:22:06.040]  he went to the king's court, and the king's court was the person in suit or suite of the
[02:22:06.040 --> 02:22:10.940]  sovereign, okay?
[02:22:10.940 --> 02:22:12.360]  It was the king's court.
[02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:14.200]  The king made the decisions.
[02:22:14.200 --> 02:22:16.200]  He was the court.
[02:22:16.200 --> 02:22:17.200]  Yes.
[02:22:17.200 --> 02:22:18.200]  Okay.
[02:22:18.200 --> 02:22:21.200]  I'm still not quite getting it.
[02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:22.200]  Is that...
[02:22:22.200 --> 02:22:23.200]  Okay.
[02:22:23.200 --> 02:22:24.200]  I'll wait.
[02:22:24.200 --> 02:22:25.200]  Well, just follow along.
[02:22:25.200 --> 02:22:28.160]  Here's another definition of court.
[02:22:28.160 --> 02:22:36.200]  An agency of the sovereign created by it directly or indirectly under its authority consisting
[02:22:36.200 --> 02:22:41.680]  of one or more officers established and maintained for the purpose of hearing and determining
[02:22:41.680 --> 02:22:46.600]  issues of law and fact regarding legal rights and alleged violations thereof.
[02:22:46.600 --> 02:22:50.200]  Sounds like a description of a judge.
[02:22:50.200 --> 02:22:51.200]  Okay.
[02:22:51.200 --> 02:22:56.920]  That's Black's Law Dictionary, Fourth Edition, okay?
[02:22:56.920 --> 02:23:07.680]  And there's a court case, Isbell v. Stovall, Texas Civil, and looks like a Beals Court.
[02:23:07.680 --> 02:23:10.920]  So you now have a court, okay?
[02:23:10.920 --> 02:23:11.920]  So who's the court?
[02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:19.320]  Is it your superior court or your circuit court or your United States District Court,
[02:23:19.320 --> 02:23:23.120]  or is it the person in suit of the sovereign?
[02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:25.120]  Good question.
[02:23:25.120 --> 02:23:28.600]  Well, yeah, that's the basic question.
[02:23:28.600 --> 02:23:29.600]  Okay.
[02:23:29.600 --> 02:23:30.600]  I'm not done yet.
[02:23:30.600 --> 02:23:31.600]  You got to follow this.
[02:23:31.600 --> 02:23:32.600]  You're the mathematician.
[02:23:32.600 --> 02:23:33.600]  Okay.
[02:23:33.600 --> 02:23:38.120]  I'm trying, but I still don't quite understand the suit of sovereign definition, but I'm...
[02:23:38.120 --> 02:23:39.120]  Okay.
[02:23:39.120 --> 02:23:40.120]  Go ahead.
[02:23:40.120 --> 02:23:43.000]  Here's the definition of a court of record.
[02:23:43.000 --> 02:23:49.600]  To be a court of record, a court must have four characteristics and may have a fifth,
[02:23:49.600 --> 02:23:50.600]  and they are...
[02:23:50.600 --> 02:23:55.080]  Listen to this close, Randy.
[02:23:55.080 --> 02:24:04.560]  A judicial tribunal having attributes and exercising functions independently of the person
[02:24:04.560 --> 02:24:07.560]  of the magistrate.
[02:24:07.560 --> 02:24:11.520]  Wait a minute.
[02:24:11.520 --> 02:24:12.520]  Who's the magistrate?
[02:24:12.520 --> 02:24:17.680]  The magistrate is the person who makes the determination of probable cause.
[02:24:17.680 --> 02:24:19.680]  I'm sorry.
[02:24:19.680 --> 02:24:24.520]  A magistrate is a person who makes a determination of probable cause, and that's it.
[02:24:24.520 --> 02:24:25.520]  Okay.
[02:24:25.520 --> 02:24:27.000]  Now, wait a minute.
[02:24:27.000 --> 02:24:35.080]  It says a judicial tribunal having attributes and exercising functions independently of
[02:24:35.080 --> 02:24:36.080]  the person of the magistrate.
[02:24:36.080 --> 02:24:37.080]  Okay.
[02:24:37.080 --> 02:24:38.080]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[02:24:38.080 --> 02:24:39.080]  Hold on.
[02:24:39.080 --> 02:24:40.080]  Hold on.
[02:24:40.080 --> 02:24:41.080]  Stop for a second.
[02:24:41.080 --> 02:24:46.040]  Is this the suit that you're reading to us, or Black's Law Dictionary, or what is it that
[02:24:46.040 --> 02:24:48.160]  you're quoting?
[02:24:48.160 --> 02:24:55.320]  This is Black's Law, fourth edition, and you can find this in Jones versus Jones, 188,
[02:24:55.320 --> 02:24:59.120]  Missouri Appellate, 220, ex parte Gladhill.
[02:24:59.120 --> 02:25:01.560]  Okay, okay, okay, okay.
[02:25:01.560 --> 02:25:02.560]  Everybody stop.
[02:25:02.560 --> 02:25:04.280]  Okay, everybody stop.
[02:25:04.280 --> 02:25:06.840]  I want to know because I don't know.
[02:25:06.840 --> 02:25:07.840]  All right.
[02:25:07.840 --> 02:25:08.840]  I'm a mathematician.
[02:25:08.840 --> 02:25:10.960]  I'm a Boolean logician.
[02:25:10.960 --> 02:25:13.640]  I'm not really a law expert.
[02:25:13.640 --> 02:25:19.680]  I just use my Boolean logic background to try to figure this stuff out.
[02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:30.640]  Randy, you guys, are the definitions in Black's Law Dictionary, are they accepted as basic
[02:25:30.640 --> 02:25:39.880]  fundamental axioms on their face, just like mathematics axioms are accepted on their face
[02:25:39.880 --> 02:25:45.680]  without question, and everything, just like in math and Boolean logic, everything is based
[02:25:45.680 --> 02:25:50.160]  on seven fundamental axioms, like one plus one equals two.
[02:25:50.160 --> 02:25:51.160]  Okay.
[02:25:51.160 --> 02:25:52.160]  So, okay.
[02:25:52.160 --> 02:25:53.160]  No.
[02:25:53.160 --> 02:25:54.160]  Listen, listen, Jim.
[02:25:54.160 --> 02:25:59.200]  You are citing to us all this stuff out of Black's Law Dictionary definitions, but what
[02:25:59.200 --> 02:26:06.080]  I want to know is that are those definitions in Black's Law Dictionary, the fundamental
[02:26:06.080 --> 02:26:13.920]  definition basis of the law of our society of statutes and common law or whatever, or
[02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:22.000]  is this just, or is Black's Law Dictionary definitions just legal schmigel, you know,
[02:26:22.000 --> 02:26:23.880]  this is what things are supposed to be?
[02:26:23.880 --> 02:26:24.880]  Come on, Randy.
[02:26:24.880 --> 02:26:32.200]  Are there fundamental axioms in law or not?
[02:26:32.200 --> 02:26:33.800]  Could I comment to that?
[02:26:33.800 --> 02:26:34.800]  Yes.
[02:26:34.800 --> 02:26:35.800]  Okay.
[02:26:35.800 --> 02:26:44.520]  We have to be very careful with what we're doing, because in, when you get into the dictionary,
[02:26:44.520 --> 02:26:54.480]  okay, if you go back to Bouvier's, I think it's 1856, that's the one that matters, that
[02:26:54.480 --> 02:27:03.320]  is the dictionary that was, that the, I think the Congress actually said, this is the dictionary
[02:27:03.320 --> 02:27:06.840]  that defines the meanings of the terms in the Constitution.
[02:27:06.840 --> 02:27:07.840]  Okay.
[02:27:07.840 --> 02:27:10.480]  That's what I want to know.
[02:27:10.480 --> 02:27:11.480]  Okay.
[02:27:11.480 --> 02:27:22.560]  Well, as time has gone on, as time has gone on, the legal beagles have changed, or they've
[02:27:22.560 --> 02:27:30.000]  attempted to change the meanings of words and terms and phrases, okay?
[02:27:30.000 --> 02:27:34.000]  Like I've got my Black Seventh here.
[02:27:34.000 --> 02:27:39.520]  It doesn't say anything like this when I go up, when I go look for a court of record.
[02:27:39.520 --> 02:27:40.520]  Okay.
[02:27:40.520 --> 02:27:44.760]  Well, then what in the hell is the use of Black's Law Dictionary if it's not a fundamental
[02:27:44.760 --> 02:27:46.800]  definition of terms?
[02:27:46.800 --> 02:27:47.800]  No.
[02:27:47.800 --> 02:27:55.680]  It's the establishment of what a term means, or a phrase, or a word, and that cannot change
[02:27:55.680 --> 02:27:56.680]  over time.
[02:27:56.680 --> 02:27:57.680]  Okay, okay.
[02:27:57.680 --> 02:27:59.160]  They cannot change the term.
[02:27:59.160 --> 02:28:05.400]  Okay, look, okay, then either I'm not understanding or something, because look, either the definitions
[02:28:05.400 --> 02:28:12.440]  in Black's Law Dictionary, or the fundamental axiom definitions in law, or they're not.
[02:28:12.440 --> 02:28:14.440]  Which one is it?
[02:28:14.440 --> 02:28:17.360]  Well, they're backed up by court cases.
[02:28:17.360 --> 02:28:20.360]  Oh, that is BS Circular Reasoning.
[02:28:20.360 --> 02:28:25.480]  No, you cannot, hold on, wait, wait, wait, hold on, no, no, no.
[02:28:25.480 --> 02:28:26.480]  Let's back up.
[02:28:26.480 --> 02:28:28.480]  Then let's back up at the very beginning.
[02:28:28.480 --> 02:28:29.960]  No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.
[02:28:29.960 --> 02:28:32.160]  I've got to say something.
[02:28:32.160 --> 02:28:34.680]  Let's go back to Boolean logic.
[02:28:34.680 --> 02:28:37.560]  I don't care if we're talking about law or math or whatever.
[02:28:37.560 --> 02:28:38.560]  Boolean logic.
[02:28:38.560 --> 02:28:43.600]  Look, I don't care if we're talking about law or math or whatever, axioms or axiom,
[02:28:43.600 --> 02:28:50.480]  definitions or definitions, you do not back up definitions and axioms by theorems and
[02:28:50.480 --> 02:28:51.480]  proofs.
[02:28:51.480 --> 02:28:58.200]  Okay, there has to be theorems, there has to be axioms and definitions that are accepted
[02:28:58.200 --> 02:28:59.200]  on their face.
[02:28:59.200 --> 02:29:10.200]  If you have to require a definition to be proved, it's circular reasoning.
[02:29:10.200 --> 02:29:11.200]  Give me a chance here.
[02:29:11.200 --> 02:29:12.200]  Okay, go ahead.
[02:29:12.200 --> 02:29:15.760]  Okay, we talked about sovereignty, right?
[02:29:15.760 --> 02:29:20.800]  We talked about a court, that a court is the person in suit of the sovereign, correct?
[02:29:20.800 --> 02:29:22.800]  I don't know what that means.
[02:29:22.800 --> 02:29:25.840]  Okay, I'm going to explain it to you.
[02:29:25.840 --> 02:29:26.840]  Okay, please.
[02:29:26.840 --> 02:29:33.280]  Okay, at the revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people and they are truly the sovereigns
[02:29:33.280 --> 02:29:39.720]  of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects with none to govern but themselves.
[02:29:39.720 --> 02:29:42.400]  That's Chisholm versus Georgia.
[02:29:42.400 --> 02:29:43.560]  Here's the next one.
[02:29:43.560 --> 02:29:49.200]  The very meaning of sovereignty is that the decree of the sovereign makes law.
[02:29:49.200 --> 02:30:00.320]  That's American Banana Company versus United Fruit, 29th Supreme Court, 511, 213, US 347,
[02:30:00.320 --> 02:30:02.560]  Law Edition.
[02:30:02.560 --> 02:30:07.640]  The people of this state as the successors of its former sovereign are entitled to all
[02:30:07.640 --> 02:30:12.360]  the rights which formerly belonged to the king by his prerogative.
[02:30:12.360 --> 02:30:16.200]  That's Lansing versus Smith.
[02:30:16.200 --> 02:30:21.840]  A consequence of this prerogative is the legal ubiquity of the king.
[02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:27.920]  His majesty in the eye of the law is always present in all his courts, though he cannot
[02:30:27.920 --> 02:30:33.040]  personally distribute justice.
[02:30:33.040 --> 02:30:35.760]  That's in Blackstone's commentary.
[02:30:35.760 --> 02:30:39.320]  Okay, you've got the sovereign.
[02:30:39.320 --> 02:30:41.080]  Who's the sovereign?
[02:30:41.080 --> 02:30:42.080]  You and I are.
[02:30:42.080 --> 02:30:43.080]  Okay, okay.
[02:30:43.080 --> 02:30:45.360]  Look, let me stop you right here.
[02:30:45.360 --> 02:30:50.840]  Jim, I'm a sovereign not because of whatever case law you cited.
[02:30:50.840 --> 02:30:53.520]  I'm a sovereign because I say I am.
[02:30:53.520 --> 02:30:54.520]  Okay.
[02:30:54.520 --> 02:30:57.520]  I'm a sovereign because I got my nine-milli-milli.
[02:30:57.520 --> 02:31:00.360]  I'm a sovereign because I got my 12 gauge.
[02:31:00.360 --> 02:31:01.360]  Okay.
[02:31:01.360 --> 02:31:06.800]  I'm a sovereign because I am me, not because of any case law or the constitution or any
[02:31:06.800 --> 02:31:07.800]  piece of paper.
[02:31:07.800 --> 02:31:08.800]  All right?
[02:31:08.800 --> 02:31:09.800]  I'm not either.
[02:31:09.800 --> 02:31:10.800]  I'm not either.
[02:31:10.800 --> 02:31:14.240]  And that's not what I'm arguing.
[02:31:14.240 --> 02:31:15.240]  Okay.
[02:31:15.240 --> 02:31:16.240]  I'm not trying to argue with you.
[02:31:16.240 --> 02:31:17.240]  I'm not trying to argue with you.
[02:31:17.240 --> 02:31:18.240]  Okay.
[02:31:18.240 --> 02:31:21.040]  I am one of the people of the preamble.
[02:31:21.040 --> 02:31:24.040]  Leave the people.
[02:31:24.040 --> 02:31:26.120]  Okay, please continue.
[02:31:26.120 --> 02:31:27.120]  Continue.
[02:31:27.120 --> 02:31:29.160]  Okay, wait a minute.
[02:31:29.160 --> 02:31:36.400]  I am not a citizen of the United States under the jurisdiction thereof or subject to the
[02:31:36.400 --> 02:31:37.720]  jurisdiction.
[02:31:37.720 --> 02:31:43.160]  I am one of the people in the preamble, the creators.
[02:31:43.160 --> 02:31:44.400]  Okay.
[02:31:44.400 --> 02:31:46.800]  We're the sovereigns.
[02:31:46.800 --> 02:31:52.320]  You cannot be a citizen of the United States and claim that you're a sovereign because
[02:31:52.320 --> 02:32:00.240]  you're not, because you're a 14th Amendment citizen, if that's what you claim.
[02:32:00.240 --> 02:32:11.680]  Because under the 14th Amendment, it states a citizen of the United States subject, keyword
[02:32:11.680 --> 02:32:14.880]  subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
[02:32:14.880 --> 02:32:15.880]  Okay.
[02:32:15.880 --> 02:32:16.880]  Okay.
[02:32:16.880 --> 02:32:17.880]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:32:17.880 --> 02:32:18.880]  Stop.
[02:32:18.880 --> 02:32:19.880]  Jim, I have to stop you.
[02:32:19.880 --> 02:32:20.880]  Okay.
[02:32:20.880 --> 02:32:29.160]  I'm lost track of where this conversation is going, honestly, and I do have a fundamental
[02:32:29.160 --> 02:32:40.240]  question for you and Randy and all legal reformists, legalists, whatever, because I'm not a lawyer.
[02:32:40.240 --> 02:32:41.240]  Okay.
[02:32:41.240 --> 02:32:48.720]  I've just got into this for the last couple of years, but I am a logician, okay?
[02:32:48.720 --> 02:32:56.480]  And everything that I have learned and been trained on in my whole life is that there
[02:32:56.480 --> 02:33:04.960]  has to be a set of axioms, a set of definitions, and those definitions, those axioms are accepted
[02:33:04.960 --> 02:33:06.560]  on their face.
[02:33:06.560 --> 02:33:18.480]  They are not proved through future or subsequent reasoning to lead back to justifying the axiom
[02:33:18.480 --> 02:33:22.440]  or the definition, because that is circular reasoning.
[02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:27.560]  And so what I'm trying to determine here, because this is a fundamental question, I've
[02:33:27.560 --> 02:33:31.480]  never really gotten the answer since I've been in the legal reform community, is that
[02:33:31.480 --> 02:33:32.480]  what are the axioms?
[02:33:32.480 --> 02:33:33.840]  What are the definitions?
[02:33:33.840 --> 02:33:40.840]  Are there even any axioms or definitions at all, or is it all fundamental, or is it all
[02:33:40.840 --> 02:33:41.840]  case law?
[02:33:41.840 --> 02:33:43.840]  Is it all common law?
[02:33:43.840 --> 02:33:44.840]  Okay.
[02:33:44.840 --> 02:33:50.560]  I'm starting to think there is no such a thing as axioms or definitions in law.
[02:33:50.560 --> 02:33:55.600]  It's just whatever people say in case law, sorry, Desus.
[02:33:55.600 --> 02:33:56.600]  It's not.
[02:33:56.600 --> 02:33:57.600]  It's not.
[02:33:57.600 --> 02:33:58.600]  Okay.
[02:33:58.600 --> 02:33:59.600]  Well, then go ahead.
[02:33:59.600 --> 02:34:00.600]  Okay.
[02:34:00.600 --> 02:34:12.160]  In the Missouri Constitution, and you'll find this in the majority of states, okay, in our
[02:34:12.160 --> 02:34:21.680]  declaration of the common law, it says that the common law will be the law of this state
[02:34:21.680 --> 02:34:32.480]  prior to the, I think it's the fourth year of, what is it?
[02:34:32.480 --> 02:34:36.840]  Fourth year of the reign of James I.
[02:34:36.840 --> 02:34:45.320]  Is the common law of England prior to, because in that fourth year is when James decided
[02:34:45.320 --> 02:34:51.840]  that he wanted to declare the rights of kings.
[02:34:51.840 --> 02:34:55.920]  Well, what is common law?
[02:34:55.920 --> 02:35:00.720]  My understanding of what- Common law is simple.
[02:35:00.720 --> 02:35:02.600]  It started with the Magna Carta.
[02:35:02.600 --> 02:35:13.880]  Actually, it started with the Bible, but it was made certain with the Magna Carta in 1215.
[02:35:13.880 --> 02:35:15.840]  I don't think common law can be defined.
[02:35:15.840 --> 02:35:18.240]  I think common law- It can't be defined.
[02:35:18.240 --> 02:35:19.240]  It can't.
[02:35:19.240 --> 02:35:20.240]  Okay.
[02:35:20.240 --> 02:35:22.640]  That's the answer I was looking for.
[02:35:22.640 --> 02:35:24.640]  Common law can- It can't be defined.
[02:35:24.640 --> 02:35:25.640]  No.
[02:35:25.640 --> 02:35:26.640]  Okay.
[02:35:26.640 --> 02:35:27.640]  Okay.
[02:35:27.640 --> 02:35:28.640]  I agree with you.
[02:35:28.640 --> 02:35:29.640]  Common law cannot be defined.
[02:35:29.640 --> 02:35:38.280]  It is a jurisprudence, a history of court rulings for literally two, almost 2,000 years.
[02:35:38.280 --> 02:35:39.680]  Not just court rulings.
[02:35:39.680 --> 02:35:41.040]  It's just common sense.
[02:35:41.040 --> 02:35:42.040]  Okay.
[02:35:42.040 --> 02:35:43.040]  Common sense.
[02:35:43.040 --> 02:35:44.040]  I agree.
[02:35:44.040 --> 02:35:45.040]  No, it's not common sense.
[02:35:45.040 --> 02:35:46.040]  That's what it is.
[02:35:46.040 --> 02:35:47.040]  Common law.
[02:35:47.040 --> 02:35:48.040]  Okay.
[02:35:48.040 --> 02:35:49.040]  Okay.
[02:35:49.040 --> 02:35:50.040]  Randy, what's common law?
[02:35:50.040 --> 02:35:51.040]  It's not common sense.
[02:35:51.040 --> 02:35:52.040]  It's common law.
[02:35:52.040 --> 02:35:54.640]  What in the hell is common law anyway, because I'm getting sick of it.
[02:35:54.640 --> 02:35:55.640]  Common law is starydesis.
[02:35:55.640 --> 02:35:56.640]  Starydesis for hundreds of years.
[02:35:56.640 --> 02:36:04.400]  Starydesis applies where statutory law doesn't cover an issue.
[02:36:04.400 --> 02:36:06.920]  Okay.
[02:36:06.920 --> 02:36:07.920]  That's when common law clashes.
[02:36:07.920 --> 02:36:14.200]  I've got to beg to differ with you on that, Randy, because really the common law is the
[02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:17.200]  common law that existed in England.
[02:36:17.200 --> 02:36:18.200]  No.
[02:36:18.200 --> 02:36:19.200]  Statutory law-
[02:36:19.200 --> 02:36:20.200]  In Texas.
[02:36:20.200 --> 02:36:21.200]  No, wait a minute.
[02:36:21.200 --> 02:36:22.200]  No, wait a minute.
[02:36:22.200 --> 02:36:24.720]  Statutory law is civil law.
[02:36:24.720 --> 02:36:26.720]  It's Roman law.
[02:36:26.720 --> 02:36:27.720]  No, no, no.
[02:36:27.720 --> 02:36:28.720]  This is theory.
[02:36:28.720 --> 02:36:29.720]  No, wait a minute, Jim.
[02:36:29.720 --> 02:36:30.720]  In Texas.
[02:36:30.720 --> 02:36:31.720]  Jim, hold on.
[02:36:31.720 --> 02:36:34.640]  What you're saying does not conflict with what Randy's saying.
[02:36:34.640 --> 02:36:35.640]  In Texas.
[02:36:35.640 --> 02:36:42.080]  Randy is saying that common law applies when statutory law does not apply.
[02:36:42.080 --> 02:36:45.680]  When statutory law does not address an issue.
[02:36:45.680 --> 02:36:46.680]  Right.
[02:36:46.680 --> 02:36:49.080]  It goes to hierarchy of law.
[02:36:49.080 --> 02:36:52.560]  Statutory law stands above common law.
[02:36:52.560 --> 02:36:58.320]  Where statutory law doesn't address an issue, then the common law applies.
[02:36:58.320 --> 02:37:00.680]  That may be, but not in a court of record.
[02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:02.920]  Yes, in a court of record.
[02:37:02.920 --> 02:37:03.920]  In Texas.
[02:37:03.920 --> 02:37:08.360]  Because a court of record, by definition, it proceeds according to the common law.
[02:37:08.360 --> 02:37:10.560]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:37:10.560 --> 02:37:11.560]  Where is that?
[02:37:11.560 --> 02:37:12.560]  Is that in Texas constitution?
[02:37:12.560 --> 02:37:13.560]  Black's fourth.
[02:37:13.560 --> 02:37:14.560]  Wait.
[02:37:14.560 --> 02:37:15.560]  No, no, no.
[02:37:15.560 --> 02:37:16.560]  Now we're back to circular reasoning again.
[02:37:16.560 --> 02:37:17.560]  I am-
[02:37:17.560 --> 02:37:18.560]  No, no, no.
[02:37:18.560 --> 02:37:19.560]  There's court cases backing this.
[02:37:19.560 --> 02:37:20.560]  Oh, come on.
[02:37:20.560 --> 02:37:23.560]  I'm not making this up.
[02:37:23.560 --> 02:37:25.240]  That is circular reasoning.
[02:37:25.240 --> 02:37:26.240]  Wait a minute.
[02:37:26.240 --> 02:37:27.240]  We're in court cases.
[02:37:27.240 --> 02:37:28.240]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:37:28.240 --> 02:37:29.240]  In court cases, federal or state?
[02:37:29.240 --> 02:37:31.360]  God, why do I have to keep going back to this?
[02:37:31.360 --> 02:37:33.160]  A definition is a definition.
[02:37:33.160 --> 02:37:36.680]  A definition is not supported by-
[02:37:36.680 --> 02:37:37.680]  Deb.
[02:37:37.680 --> 02:37:38.680]  Proof.
[02:37:38.680 --> 02:37:39.680]  Deb.
[02:37:39.680 --> 02:37:40.680]  Oh, boy.
[02:37:40.680 --> 02:37:46.760]  In Black's fourth, with the definitions, they give you court cases that back it.
[02:37:46.760 --> 02:37:47.760]  God.
[02:37:47.760 --> 02:37:49.760]  But Black's fourth is federal.
[02:37:49.760 --> 02:37:57.720]  Black's fourth does not preempt Texas statute.
[02:37:57.720 --> 02:38:04.080]  Jim, Jim, do you realize that on its face to say a definition is supported by proof
[02:38:04.080 --> 02:38:06.880]  is logically flawed?
[02:38:06.880 --> 02:38:10.720]  A definition can never be supported by proof.
[02:38:10.720 --> 02:38:14.520]  A definition on its face is a fundamental axiom.
[02:38:14.520 --> 02:38:18.640]  How can a statute be accorded that?
[02:38:18.640 --> 02:38:21.400]  A statute is passed by legislature.
[02:38:21.400 --> 02:38:23.400]  It is law.
[02:38:23.400 --> 02:38:24.400]  Yeah.
[02:38:24.400 --> 02:38:25.400]  It's law.
[02:38:25.400 --> 02:38:34.920]  Anything that a statute does not address, then where a statute does not address an issue,
[02:38:34.920 --> 02:38:36.840]  the common law can be applied.
[02:38:36.840 --> 02:38:37.840]  Okay.
[02:38:37.840 --> 02:38:38.840]  Okay.
[02:38:38.840 --> 02:38:39.840]  I'm sorry.
[02:38:39.840 --> 02:38:43.320]  We're going to have to beg to differ on this, but I wanted to get to a couple of other subjects.
[02:38:43.320 --> 02:38:44.320]  Okay.
[02:38:44.320 --> 02:38:45.320]  But wait, wait, wait.
[02:38:45.320 --> 02:38:46.320]  Jim, I want to make one point.
[02:38:46.320 --> 02:38:50.120]  I agree to disagree with you, but I will say this.
[02:38:50.120 --> 02:38:56.960]  I'm learning now that the realm of law is not governed by Boolean logic.
[02:38:56.960 --> 02:38:57.960]  There are no axioms.
[02:38:57.960 --> 02:39:00.200]  There are no definitions.
[02:39:00.200 --> 02:39:07.200]  It is only case law, stare decisis, and common law, and what people have agreed upon.
[02:39:07.200 --> 02:39:08.200]  So that's cool.
[02:39:08.200 --> 02:39:09.200]  I can accept that.
[02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:15.380]  I just, for me, for me as a mathematician, as a logician, I just need to know what the
[02:39:15.380 --> 02:39:16.380]  rules of the game are.
[02:39:16.380 --> 02:39:17.380]  That's okay.
[02:39:17.380 --> 02:39:18.380]  Okay.
[02:39:18.380 --> 02:39:20.760]  And I'll give you a one-sentence reminder.
[02:39:20.760 --> 02:39:27.680]  The meaning of sovereignty is that the decree of the sovereign makes law.
[02:39:27.680 --> 02:39:29.680]  Well, okay.
[02:39:29.680 --> 02:39:38.800]  That only occurs when the statutory law does not apply.
[02:39:38.800 --> 02:39:39.800]  Okay.
[02:39:39.800 --> 02:39:40.800]  Here's my definition of...
[02:39:40.800 --> 02:39:41.800]  Okay.
[02:39:41.800 --> 02:39:42.800]  Okay.
[02:39:42.800 --> 02:39:43.800]  Let's move on.
[02:39:43.800 --> 02:39:44.800]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:39:44.800 --> 02:39:45.800]  Hold on.
[02:39:45.800 --> 02:39:46.800]  One thing.
[02:39:46.800 --> 02:39:52.560]  My definition of sovereign is I'm going to do whatever the heck I want to until somebody
[02:39:52.560 --> 02:39:56.120]  tries to stop me, and if they do, they're going to have a big problem.
[02:39:56.120 --> 02:39:59.000]  That's my definition of problem, of sovereignty.
[02:39:59.000 --> 02:40:00.600]  You stop that right now.
[02:40:00.600 --> 02:40:09.960]  But if you're going to be a legitimate king or queen, then you have to look good in the
[02:40:09.960 --> 02:40:12.280]  eyes of the people.
[02:40:12.280 --> 02:40:14.280]  I only have to do whatever I want.
[02:40:14.280 --> 02:40:16.800]  Well, then you might get trashed.
[02:40:16.800 --> 02:40:17.800]  Okay.
[02:40:17.800 --> 02:40:18.800]  Okay.
[02:40:18.800 --> 02:40:19.800]  You're right.
[02:40:19.800 --> 02:40:20.800]  Then I might get trashed.
[02:40:20.800 --> 02:40:21.800]  Okay.
[02:40:21.800 --> 02:40:22.800]  You're right.
[02:40:22.800 --> 02:40:31.800]  I mean, look, if you read the Magna Carta in 1215, they told the king.
[02:40:31.800 --> 02:40:36.200]  They said, here's the deal.
[02:40:36.200 --> 02:40:42.840]  If you trample on us, then you're going to sign this agreement.
[02:40:42.840 --> 02:40:47.680]  And if you get outside your bounds, then we're going to come up to you and we're going to
[02:40:47.680 --> 02:40:56.120]  redress our grievance with you, and if you don't participate, we're going to chop your
[02:40:56.120 --> 02:40:59.740]  head off, and you're going to sign the agreement.
[02:40:59.740 --> 02:41:01.760]  That was the Magna Carta.
[02:41:01.760 --> 02:41:02.760]  Okay.
[02:41:02.760 --> 02:41:03.760]  Okay.
[02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:06.680]  That's where our law came from.
[02:41:06.680 --> 02:41:08.320]  That was the beginning of it.
[02:41:08.320 --> 02:41:09.320]  Okay.
[02:41:09.320 --> 02:41:10.320]  Indeed.
[02:41:10.320 --> 02:41:11.320]  Okay.
[02:41:11.320 --> 02:41:19.880]  We're going to either obey the law, or we're going to come, and it's in the agreement.
[02:41:19.880 --> 02:41:21.480]  It's in the Magna Carta.
[02:41:21.480 --> 02:41:22.480]  Okay.
[02:41:22.480 --> 02:41:23.480]  Okay.
[02:41:23.480 --> 02:41:24.480]  Okay.
[02:41:24.480 --> 02:41:25.480]  So, agreed.
[02:41:25.480 --> 02:41:28.880]  Outside the bounds, then we're going to come in, and we're going to take you out, and we're
[02:41:28.880 --> 02:41:31.720]  going to take all your castles and all your land.
[02:41:31.720 --> 02:41:32.720]  Yes.
[02:41:32.720 --> 02:41:33.720]  Agreed.
[02:41:33.720 --> 02:41:39.040]  Because it is the principle of restraint, I'm sorry, dis-strength, the principles of
[02:41:39.040 --> 02:41:46.240]  dis-strength, where a landlord can confiscate the physical possessions of a tenant for non-payment
[02:41:46.240 --> 02:41:47.240]  of rent.
[02:41:47.240 --> 02:41:48.240]  I understand.
[02:41:48.240 --> 02:41:49.240]  No, no, no.
[02:41:49.240 --> 02:41:50.240]  You got it backward.
[02:41:50.240 --> 02:41:51.240]  No.
[02:41:51.240 --> 02:41:52.240]  That's what it was.
[02:41:52.240 --> 02:41:53.240]  No, it wasn't.
[02:41:53.240 --> 02:41:54.240]  It was the tenants going after the landlord.
[02:41:54.240 --> 02:41:55.240]  That's what I'm saying.
[02:41:55.240 --> 02:41:56.240]  The tenants went after the landlords.
[02:41:56.240 --> 02:41:57.240]  Exactly.
[02:41:57.240 --> 02:41:58.240]  Okay.
[02:41:58.240 --> 02:41:59.240]  Okay.
[02:41:59.240 --> 02:42:00.240]  Okay.
[02:42:00.240 --> 02:42:01.240]  Yes.
[02:42:01.240 --> 02:42:02.240]  Anyway, so-
[02:42:02.240 --> 02:42:03.240]  Okay.
[02:42:03.240 --> 02:42:04.240]  Go on.
[02:42:04.240 --> 02:42:05.240]  Move ahead.
[02:42:05.240 --> 02:42:06.240]  Move ahead.
[02:42:06.240 --> 02:42:07.240]  Move ahead.
[02:42:07.240 --> 02:42:08.240]  Okay.
[02:42:08.240 --> 02:42:14.440]  My name was Mike, it might have been Randy, talking about the Fair Debt Collections Practices
[02:42:14.440 --> 02:42:15.440]  Act.
[02:42:15.440 --> 02:42:16.440]  Okay.
[02:42:16.440 --> 02:42:17.440]  Okay.
[02:42:17.440 --> 02:42:18.440]  That's under 15 USC 1692.
[02:42:18.440 --> 02:42:19.440]  Let me write this down.
[02:42:19.440 --> 02:42:20.440]  Let me write this down.
[02:42:20.440 --> 02:42:21.440]  15-
[02:42:21.440 --> 02:42:22.440]  USC.
[02:42:22.440 --> 02:42:23.440]  USC.
[02:42:23.440 --> 02:42:24.440]  1692.
[02:42:24.440 --> 02:42:25.440]  1692.
[02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:26.440]  Okay.
[02:42:26.440 --> 02:42:27.440]  Okay.
[02:42:27.440 --> 02:42:38.200]  And he was, I think he was a little bit misguided, but-
[02:42:38.200 --> 02:42:39.200]  Oh, really?
[02:42:39.200 --> 02:42:40.200]  Okay.
[02:42:40.200 --> 02:42:41.200]  Well, yeah.
[02:42:41.200 --> 02:42:49.560]  And I wanted you guys to know about this, because I don't want you to be misguided.
[02:42:49.560 --> 02:42:55.080]  1692K, civil liability, and this comes to amount of damages.
[02:42:55.080 --> 02:42:56.080]  Okay.
[02:42:56.080 --> 02:42:59.720]  He was talking about a $500,000 figure.
[02:42:59.720 --> 02:43:01.160]  Okay.
[02:43:01.160 --> 02:43:02.160]  You remember that?
[02:43:02.160 --> 02:43:03.160]  Yes.
[02:43:03.160 --> 02:43:04.160]  Yeah.
[02:43:04.160 --> 02:43:07.600]  That's only in the case of a class action.
[02:43:07.600 --> 02:43:15.520]  That's 1692Ka, small a, to B.
[02:43:15.520 --> 02:43:20.920]  Okay.
[02:43:20.920 --> 02:43:29.440]  By an individual, it's not exceeding $1,000, so that was, you know, you got to be careful
[02:43:29.440 --> 02:43:31.440]  with this stuff.
[02:43:31.440 --> 02:43:33.040]  Okay.
[02:43:33.040 --> 02:43:40.040]  Anyway, and the last thing that I wanted to talk about was the gentleman that was the
[02:43:40.040 --> 02:43:44.840]  Vietnam bet, and Randy, I know that you were one too.
[02:43:44.840 --> 02:43:51.160]  I was not a Vietnam bet, but I was in the military for 10 years during the eighties,
[02:43:51.160 --> 02:44:03.960]  and I had the terrible experience with the M16, I think it was the M16A1, where I would
[02:44:03.960 --> 02:44:12.960]  get a bolt override while I was firing on the range, and we could beat that weapon on
[02:44:12.960 --> 02:44:23.080]  the ground, and we could not let loose that bolt override, and I had Vietnam bets that
[02:44:23.080 --> 02:44:33.800]  were training me, and they said we lost a lot of people that way, and it was not a good
[02:44:33.800 --> 02:44:34.800]  feeling.
[02:44:34.800 --> 02:44:38.520]  I'm sorry.
[02:44:38.520 --> 02:44:46.840]  You know, I understand, and I tell you what, some of my best experiences were with Vietnam
[02:44:46.840 --> 02:44:56.920]  bets that trained me and that I worked alongside with, and I felt what they all went through.
[02:44:56.920 --> 02:45:04.440]  A lot of them were mechs, because I was in a medical unit, and they saw a lot, and they
[02:45:04.440 --> 02:45:17.280]  lost a lot, but I understand that deal with the M16, and just for you, Randy, I appreciate
[02:45:17.280 --> 02:45:18.280]  you.
[02:45:18.280 --> 02:45:20.880]  Thank you.
[02:45:20.880 --> 02:45:29.480]  And keep up the fight, but let's keep the fight going, and I want to work with you.
[02:45:29.480 --> 02:45:37.760]  By the way, I'm working with Michael Edwards, your remedy is in the law, and David Merland,
[02:45:37.760 --> 02:45:38.760]  and we're starting...
[02:45:38.760 --> 02:45:39.760]  David Merland?
[02:45:39.760 --> 02:45:40.760]  Oh, stop it.
[02:45:40.760 --> 02:45:44.760]  I pronounced his name wrong on purpose.
[02:45:44.760 --> 02:45:45.760]  Yeah.
[02:45:45.760 --> 02:45:46.760]  Okay, Jim.
[02:45:46.760 --> 02:45:51.920]  We're really starting to pull all the legal researchers and the people that are actually
[02:45:51.920 --> 02:45:54.400]  on the ground fighting in the courts.
[02:45:54.400 --> 02:45:59.680]  We're really pulling everybody together, and we want you guys in.
[02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:05.120]  Okay, well, Jim, I hope you don't take it personal or anything about my health, what
[02:46:05.120 --> 02:46:07.120]  I hope is healthy debate.
[02:46:07.120 --> 02:46:08.120]  Jim?
[02:46:08.120 --> 02:46:09.120]  Jim?
[02:46:09.120 --> 02:46:12.120]  Hang up on us.
[02:46:12.120 --> 02:46:13.120]  Jim?
[02:46:13.120 --> 02:46:15.120]  He hung up on me.
[02:46:15.120 --> 02:46:17.120]  Oh, I'm here.
[02:46:17.120 --> 02:46:18.120]  Okay.
[02:46:18.120 --> 02:46:22.920]  I was just saying I hope you don't take it personal or take it wrong, anything about
[02:46:22.920 --> 02:46:26.240]  my debating with you.
[02:46:26.240 --> 02:46:31.920]  Hey, Deb, that's what we have to do.
[02:46:31.920 --> 02:46:36.800]  Okay, well, each one's each one, man.
[02:46:36.800 --> 02:46:40.680]  I feel like I have something to share, you have something to share.
[02:46:40.680 --> 02:46:42.160]  We're all in this together.
[02:46:42.160 --> 02:46:45.280]  I mean, we've got to debate, we've got to speak our minds.
[02:46:45.280 --> 02:46:48.440]  Well, I'll let you know how my court case comes out.
[02:46:48.440 --> 02:46:49.440]  Why?
[02:46:49.440 --> 02:46:50.440]  Good.
[02:46:50.440 --> 02:46:56.000]  Well, actually, I got... Well, I'm going to have four going here shortly.
[02:46:56.000 --> 02:46:57.000]  Okay, good.
[02:46:57.000 --> 02:46:58.000]  Oh.
[02:46:58.000 --> 02:46:59.000]  Good.
[02:46:59.000 --> 02:47:00.000]  Keep us in touch.
[02:47:00.000 --> 02:47:01.000]  Okay, look.
[02:47:01.000 --> 02:47:02.000]  I'll let you know.
[02:47:02.000 --> 02:47:03.000]  All right.
[02:47:03.000 --> 02:47:08.200]  Oh, I want to go to Christian in Florida, and we've got one more last caller.
[02:47:08.200 --> 02:47:15.360]  I'm slapping Randy around so I can wait for our last... Okay, way past his bedtime.
[02:47:15.360 --> 02:47:20.000]  Okay, Jim, let us go so I can get to Christian, okay?
[02:47:20.000 --> 02:47:21.000]  Okay.
[02:47:21.000 --> 02:47:22.000]  Thank you.
[02:47:22.000 --> 02:47:23.000]  Okay.
[02:47:23.000 --> 02:47:24.000]  Okay.
[02:47:24.000 --> 02:47:25.000]  Last caller.
[02:47:25.000 --> 02:47:29.280]  We are really going the extraditions for you guys.
[02:47:29.280 --> 02:47:30.280]  Okay.
[02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:31.720]  Christian, what's on your mind tonight?
[02:47:31.720 --> 02:47:32.720]  Go for it.
[02:47:32.720 --> 02:47:33.720]  How you doing, Deborah?
[02:47:33.720 --> 02:47:34.720]  How you doing, Randy?
[02:47:34.720 --> 02:47:36.720]  You guys are working overtime tonight.
[02:47:36.720 --> 02:47:37.720]  Yeah.
[02:47:37.720 --> 02:47:39.920]  Well, we're having fun, so it's okay.
[02:47:39.920 --> 02:47:40.920]  Well, thanks a lot.
[02:47:40.920 --> 02:47:41.920]  We appreciate it.
[02:47:41.920 --> 02:47:46.960]  Somebody had made a... I forget the fellow's name, it was George or whatever it was, said
[02:47:46.960 --> 02:47:51.840]  something about the last topic he was just talking about there, the fair debt collections
[02:47:51.840 --> 02:47:52.840]  thing here?
[02:47:52.840 --> 02:47:53.840]  Uh-huh.
[02:47:53.840 --> 02:47:54.840]  Yes.
[02:47:54.840 --> 02:47:58.560]  Well, I have a document that we could do on a commercial law.
[02:47:58.560 --> 02:48:03.200]  It's a second notice in demand, and what we're doing is we're setting up a contract and we're
[02:48:03.200 --> 02:48:08.800]  bringing in it commercially, and we're forming this contract and including in the fair debt
[02:48:08.800 --> 02:48:09.800]  collection.
[02:48:09.800 --> 02:48:17.440]  I have a paragraph here that, under a default, a dishonor of this second demand and opportunity
[02:48:17.440 --> 02:48:23.160]  to exhibit the proof of claim and loss will be certified and recorded as the second confirmation
[02:48:23.160 --> 02:48:28.560]  of respondents' previous stipulation that no such claim exists and respondents have
[02:48:28.560 --> 02:48:34.800]  waived all of respondents' rights to make such a claim, and said second dishonor will
[02:48:34.800 --> 02:48:40.160]  also comprise respondent stipulation, quite tacit consent, true viticature, that any party
[02:48:40.160 --> 02:48:46.640]  to these agreements who fails any action, administrative or judicial, contesting, challenging,
[02:48:46.640 --> 02:48:50.880]  or objecting to any of these agreements or the stipulations therein, will be stipulating
[02:48:50.880 --> 02:48:57.920]  their agreement to accept an immediate pay civil penalties, not excess $10,000 per infraction,
[02:48:57.920 --> 02:49:04.400]  and criminal penalties of the $500,000 mentioned in that fair debt collection, and five years
[02:49:04.400 --> 02:49:10.120]  imprisonment for filing such a false claim, and we do this by contract.
[02:49:10.120 --> 02:49:11.120]  Randy.
[02:49:11.120 --> 02:49:14.120]  Wait a minute.
[02:49:14.120 --> 02:49:15.120]  Okay.
[02:49:15.120 --> 02:49:23.480]  I understand technically what you're saying, Christian, but I have to admit this whole commercial
[02:49:23.480 --> 02:49:24.480]  law thing is way over.
[02:49:24.480 --> 02:49:27.480]  I'm too tired to keep track of what you're saying.
[02:49:27.480 --> 02:49:28.480]  Oh, come on, Randy.
[02:49:28.480 --> 02:49:29.480]  Come on, Randy.
[02:49:29.480 --> 02:49:30.480]  Yeah.
[02:49:30.480 --> 02:49:34.200]  What I'll do is I'll clean this up and I'll post it up on the website for anybody who
[02:49:34.200 --> 02:49:35.200]  wants to peruse through it.
[02:49:35.200 --> 02:49:36.200]  Good.
[02:49:36.200 --> 02:49:37.200]  Good.
[02:49:37.200 --> 02:49:38.200]  Good.
[02:49:38.200 --> 02:49:40.200]  I'm too tired to keep track of where you started to where you ended.
[02:49:40.200 --> 02:49:41.200]  Yeah, I know.
[02:49:41.200 --> 02:49:42.200]  It's late.
[02:49:42.200 --> 02:49:43.200]  Yeah, it's late.
[02:49:43.200 --> 02:49:44.200]  Okay.
[02:49:44.200 --> 02:49:45.200]  Look.
[02:49:45.200 --> 02:49:46.200]  Look.
[02:49:46.200 --> 02:49:47.200]  It's not only that, but I could also throw in some things that common law doesn't exist
[02:49:47.200 --> 02:49:50.200]  today due to there's not being any lawful money to complete a contract.
[02:49:50.200 --> 02:49:51.200]  Okay.
[02:49:51.200 --> 02:49:52.200]  Why don't you speak on that?
[02:49:52.200 --> 02:49:53.200]  Okay.
[02:49:53.200 --> 02:49:54.200]  Look.
[02:49:54.200 --> 02:49:55.200]  But before you speak on that, let me say something.
[02:49:55.200 --> 02:49:56.200]  It's more than just tired.
[02:49:56.200 --> 02:50:04.200]  I mean, Randy and I are statutory people.
[02:50:04.200 --> 02:50:07.200]  I mean, dude, we are just starting to learn about commercial law.
[02:50:07.200 --> 02:50:11.200]  Man, we need to talk to my client about these kinds of things.
[02:50:11.200 --> 02:50:12.200]  Yeah.
[02:50:12.200 --> 02:50:13.200]  It's real complex where you separate...
[02:50:13.200 --> 02:50:14.200]  This is rough neck business, man.
[02:50:14.200 --> 02:50:15.200]  I am not...
[02:50:15.200 --> 02:50:16.200]  I'm not the contract...
[02:50:16.200 --> 02:50:19.200]  I don't think Randy's a contract law guy either.
[02:50:19.200 --> 02:50:20.200]  Yeah.
[02:50:20.200 --> 02:50:26.200]  I mean, when you move away from statutory law into contract law, I mean into common law.
[02:50:26.200 --> 02:50:27.200]  No.
[02:50:27.200 --> 02:50:28.200]  He's talking about contract law.
[02:50:28.200 --> 02:50:31.200]  Common law only applies where statutory law doesn't.
[02:50:31.200 --> 02:50:32.200]  So...
[02:50:32.200 --> 02:50:33.200]  Hold on.
[02:50:33.200 --> 02:50:34.200]  Wait.
[02:50:34.200 --> 02:50:35.200]  I'd end under federal rules 8D and 12G.
[02:50:35.200 --> 02:50:36.200]  Federal rules.
[02:50:36.200 --> 02:50:37.200]  Say that again.
[02:50:37.200 --> 02:50:38.200]  Let me write this down.
[02:50:38.200 --> 02:50:39.200]  Federal rules 8G and...
[02:50:39.200 --> 02:50:40.200]  No.
[02:50:40.200 --> 02:50:41.200]  8D and 12G.
[02:50:41.200 --> 02:50:42.200]  Wait a minute.
[02:50:42.200 --> 02:50:43.200]  8...
[02:50:43.200 --> 02:50:44.200]  8...
[02:50:44.200 --> 02:50:45.200]  8...
[02:50:45.200 --> 02:50:48.200]  8D as in dog and 12G.
[02:50:48.200 --> 02:50:51.200]  What federal code?
[02:50:51.200 --> 02:50:55.200]  All 86 rules where you're 86.
[02:50:55.200 --> 02:50:56.200]  Wait.
[02:50:56.200 --> 02:50:57.200]  What does that mean?
[02:50:57.200 --> 02:50:58.200]  86 USC 12G?
[02:50:58.200 --> 02:50:59.200]  Yes.
[02:50:59.200 --> 02:51:00.200]  Federal rules of civil procedure.
[02:51:00.200 --> 02:51:01.200]  Okay.
[02:51:01.200 --> 02:51:02.200]  Oh, okay.
[02:51:02.200 --> 02:51:03.200]  Okay.
[02:51:03.200 --> 02:51:04.200]  Rules.
[02:51:04.200 --> 02:51:05.200]  Okay.
[02:51:05.200 --> 02:51:06.200]  Wait a minute.
[02:51:06.200 --> 02:51:07.200]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:51:07.200 --> 02:51:08.200]  This end with federal rules of civil procedure.
[02:51:08.200 --> 02:51:12.200]  You know, they agreed to it by default because they didn't respond.
[02:51:12.200 --> 02:51:16.200]  Are you saying that all...
[02:51:16.200 --> 02:51:21.200]  Are you saying that all contract law, commercial law falls under the federal rules of civil
[02:51:21.200 --> 02:51:22.200]  procedure?
[02:51:22.200 --> 02:51:28.200]  Well, what I am saying is the highest law of the land under UCC, which falls under the
[02:51:28.200 --> 02:51:34.200]  advocacy jurisdiction of everything falling under commerce, what it really is if you start
[02:51:34.200 --> 02:51:37.200]  reading UCC, something starts pulling out.
[02:51:37.200 --> 02:51:38.200]  It's jumping out at you.
[02:51:38.200 --> 02:51:42.200]  And what it really is is unless otherwise by agreement.
[02:51:42.200 --> 02:51:48.200]  So what we're doing, what you just talked about earlier there, unless otherwise by agreement.
[02:51:48.200 --> 02:51:54.200]  So we get somebody into an agreement by 12G and 8D and 12G.
[02:51:54.200 --> 02:52:00.200]  And you can bring in any law that you want, common law into the public or whatever, as
[02:52:00.200 --> 02:52:02.200]  long as you contract it in.
[02:52:02.200 --> 02:52:07.200]  Just like you've been contracted into being a citizen, a 14th Amendment citizen to the
[02:52:07.200 --> 02:52:08.200]  straw party.
[02:52:08.200 --> 02:52:15.200]  Yeah, but I can't contract individually on constitutional matters.
[02:52:15.200 --> 02:52:23.200]  Those are contracted by the state itself or by the sovereign.
[02:52:23.200 --> 02:52:26.200]  I'm too tired of it.
[02:52:26.200 --> 02:52:28.200]  I'm just wearing out.
[02:52:28.200 --> 02:52:34.200]  If we stop arguing with one another and see how it all fits together.
[02:52:34.200 --> 02:52:36.200]  Oh, it's not arguing with one another.
[02:52:36.200 --> 02:52:39.200]  It's trying to sort out the particulars.
[02:52:39.200 --> 02:52:44.200]  Yeah, because I think at certain times certain things will work depending on how you use
[02:52:44.200 --> 02:52:47.200]  it according to your understanding.
[02:52:47.200 --> 02:52:48.200]  Yeah.
[02:52:48.200 --> 02:52:50.200]  And right now I'm so whacked out.
[02:52:50.200 --> 02:52:51.200]  I don't know what I'm doing.
[02:52:51.200 --> 02:52:52.200]  Oh, come on.
[02:52:52.200 --> 02:52:55.200]  We have to give proper respect to our caller.
[02:52:55.200 --> 02:52:57.200]  We waited this long.
[02:52:57.200 --> 02:52:58.200]  I know.
[02:52:58.200 --> 02:53:00.200]  And that's my way of doing it.
[02:53:00.200 --> 02:53:01.200]  I'm so tired.
[02:53:01.200 --> 02:53:02.200]  I can't make decisions.
[02:53:02.200 --> 02:53:06.200]  But anyway, I teach commercial law, so I'm pretty well brushed up on it.
[02:53:06.200 --> 02:53:09.200]  And I appreciate my caller because he's very sophisticated.
[02:53:09.200 --> 02:53:10.200]  Wait, wait, wait.
[02:53:10.200 --> 02:53:12.200]  Christian, you said what?
[02:53:12.200 --> 02:53:13.200]  You're brushed up on commercial law.
[02:53:13.200 --> 02:53:14.200]  Is that what you're saying?
[02:53:14.200 --> 02:53:15.200]  I teach this.
[02:53:15.200 --> 02:53:16.200]  Yes.
[02:53:16.200 --> 02:53:17.200]  I have a show.
[02:53:17.200 --> 02:53:18.200]  What is your website?
[02:53:18.200 --> 02:53:19.200]  Give us your website.
[02:53:19.200 --> 02:53:23.200]  Well, if you go to your website, I'm posting stuff on there.
[02:53:23.200 --> 02:53:26.200]  It'll give moving titles in commerce.
[02:53:26.200 --> 02:53:27.200]  Oh, okay.
[02:53:27.200 --> 02:53:28.200]  Moving.
[02:53:28.200 --> 02:53:29.200]  Okay, moving.
[02:53:29.200 --> 02:53:32.200]  The banking is brushed by moving titles in commerce.
[02:53:32.200 --> 02:53:33.200]  Moving titles in commerce.
[02:53:33.200 --> 02:53:34.200]  Okay.
[02:53:34.200 --> 02:53:35.200]  Okay.
[02:53:35.200 --> 02:53:36.200]  Okay.
[02:53:36.200 --> 02:53:37.200]  I'm just so tired.
[02:53:37.200 --> 02:53:38.200]  I can't think straight.
[02:53:38.200 --> 02:53:39.200]  Is that movingtitlesincommerce.com?
[02:53:39.200 --> 02:53:40.200]  No.
[02:53:40.200 --> 02:53:41.200]  It's my email.
[02:53:41.200 --> 02:53:42.200]  Well, what is your...
[02:53:42.200 --> 02:53:43.200]  Do you have a website?
[02:53:43.200 --> 02:53:50.200]  I don't have a website, but I have a show though.
[02:53:50.200 --> 02:53:51.200]  Okay.
[02:53:51.200 --> 02:53:53.200]  Where can people go to listen to your show?
[02:53:53.200 --> 02:53:54.200]  Plug your show.
[02:53:54.200 --> 02:54:00.200]  Okay, if you jump on rule of law, into the blog, and you start checking around in there,
[02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:05.200]  you'll find on the calendar, I listed on the Saturday night show.
[02:54:05.200 --> 02:54:10.200]  Yeah, but what I'm saying is what website would people go to to listen to your show?
[02:54:10.200 --> 02:54:14.200]  Okay, so on Saturday, what is the...
[02:54:14.200 --> 02:54:15.200]  It's a conference call.
[02:54:15.200 --> 02:54:16.200]  Yeah, but where?
[02:54:16.200 --> 02:54:18.200]  What number would people call in?
[02:54:18.200 --> 02:54:21.200]  What website would people go to to listen to you?
[02:54:21.200 --> 02:54:22.200]  Come on.
[02:54:22.200 --> 02:54:23.200]  All right.
[02:54:23.200 --> 02:54:24.200]  You can check out the website.
[02:54:24.200 --> 02:54:27.200]  The call-in number is area code 712.
[02:54:27.200 --> 02:54:28.200]  Okay.
[02:54:28.200 --> 02:54:29.200]  432.
[02:54:29.200 --> 02:54:30.200]  712-032?
[02:54:30.200 --> 02:54:31.200]  Yeah, 712-432.
[02:54:31.200 --> 02:54:32.200]  432.
[02:54:32.200 --> 02:54:33.200]  8773.
[02:54:33.200 --> 02:54:36.200]  Okay, is that the only way people...
[02:54:36.200 --> 02:54:41.200]  The passcode is 17944-pound.
[02:54:41.200 --> 02:54:42.200]  1779.
[02:54:42.200 --> 02:54:43.200]  17944-pound.
[02:54:43.200 --> 02:54:44.200]  17944-pound.
[02:54:44.200 --> 02:54:45.200]  17944-pound.
[02:54:45.200 --> 02:54:53.200]  17944-pound.
[02:54:53.200 --> 02:54:57.200]  Okay, so it's like a conference call.
[02:54:57.200 --> 02:54:58.200]  17944-pound.
[02:54:58.200 --> 02:54:59.200]  Okay.
[02:54:59.200 --> 02:55:00.200]  Okay.
[02:55:00.200 --> 02:55:04.200]  And it's on at seven to nine on Saturdays.
[02:55:04.200 --> 02:55:06.200]  Seven to nine, sorry.
[02:55:06.200 --> 02:55:10.200]  Okay, so that's the only way people can listen to your show just by calling that number and
[02:55:10.200 --> 02:55:11.200]  entering in that passcode.
[02:55:11.200 --> 02:55:16.200]  Yeah, there's a website tied in to also get a stream off of that, but I forget what the
[02:55:16.200 --> 02:55:17.200]  thing is called.
[02:55:17.200 --> 02:55:21.200]  But anyway, it's listed up on the blog, on Rule of Law there.
[02:55:21.200 --> 02:55:22.200]  Okay, excellent.
[02:55:22.200 --> 02:55:23.200]  It's for the calendar.
[02:55:23.200 --> 02:55:24.200]  It's for the calendar.
[02:55:24.200 --> 02:55:25.200]  Okay.
[02:55:25.200 --> 02:55:26.200]  Wonderful.
[02:55:26.200 --> 02:55:27.200]  Wonderful.
[02:55:27.200 --> 02:55:28.200]  Wonderful.
[02:55:28.200 --> 02:55:29.200]  Excellent information.
[02:55:29.200 --> 02:55:30.200]  Excellent information.
[02:55:30.200 --> 02:55:38.200]  I mean, okay, I have to admit, I mean, a lot of you callers, you, Christian, you, Jim,
[02:55:38.200 --> 02:55:48.200]  Mike, a lot of you people really know a lot more about commercial and contract law than
[02:55:48.200 --> 02:55:49.200]  we do.
[02:55:49.200 --> 02:55:52.200]  I mean, we're statutory people.
[02:55:52.200 --> 02:56:00.200]  I mean, y'all have a lot to teach us, and so we want y'all to call in and help us.
[02:56:00.200 --> 02:56:04.200]  I mean, we want y'all to call in and teach us too.
[02:56:04.200 --> 02:56:10.200]  Well, I got some excellent material I'm starting to put up on the site there in the blog, so.
[02:56:10.200 --> 02:56:11.200]  Okay.
[02:56:11.200 --> 02:56:12.200]  Wonderful.
[02:56:12.200 --> 02:56:13.200]  Wonderful.
[02:56:13.200 --> 02:56:18.200]  I was going to start another one called, do you see what I see in UCC?
[02:56:18.200 --> 02:56:21.200]  You see what I see in UCC?
[02:56:21.200 --> 02:56:22.200]  Yeah.
[02:56:22.200 --> 02:56:24.200]  Oh, that's great.
[02:56:24.200 --> 02:56:27.200]  I love it.
[02:56:27.200 --> 02:56:28.200]  I love it.
[02:56:28.200 --> 02:56:29.200]  That's wonderful.
[02:56:29.200 --> 02:56:30.200]  That's wonderful.
[02:56:30.200 --> 02:56:36.200]  Christian, did you have a specific question that you wanted Randy to answer?
[02:56:36.200 --> 02:56:43.200]  Well, there's not really enough time to get into it, so I'll call in some other time about
[02:56:43.200 --> 02:56:44.200]  it, yeah.
[02:56:44.200 --> 02:56:51.200]  But, yeah, I sent you an email about replacement for BIDAR's show there, BTG.
[02:56:51.200 --> 02:56:52.200]  Yes.
[02:56:52.200 --> 02:56:53.200]  Remember that?
[02:56:53.200 --> 02:56:56.200]  You sent me an email back, but I haven't heard back from you, so.
[02:56:56.200 --> 02:56:57.200]  Yes.
[02:56:57.200 --> 02:57:02.200]  We were wanting to hear some of your archives, but I wasn't able to get an email.
[02:57:02.200 --> 02:57:03.200]  I'm sorry.
[02:57:03.200 --> 02:57:05.200]  I wasn't able to get a website.
[02:57:05.200 --> 02:57:06.200]  Okay.
[02:57:06.200 --> 02:57:07.200]  Well, I sent you the last email.
[02:57:07.200 --> 02:57:11.200]  It contained the website and the call-in number and everything on there, so.
[02:57:11.200 --> 02:57:12.200]  Okay.
[02:57:12.200 --> 02:57:13.200]  Thank you so much.
[02:57:13.200 --> 02:57:14.200]  Thank you so much.
[02:57:14.200 --> 02:57:15.200]  Thank you so much.
[02:57:15.200 --> 02:57:16.200]  I'll send you another one.
[02:57:16.200 --> 02:57:17.200]  Thank you so much.
[02:57:17.200 --> 02:57:18.200]  Thank you so much.
[02:57:18.200 --> 02:57:19.200]  Okay.
[02:57:19.200 --> 02:57:22.200]  Listeners, thank you so much.
[02:57:22.200 --> 02:57:28.200]  It looks like, Randy, are you out of commission or?
[02:57:28.200 --> 02:57:29.200]  Okay, Randy.
[02:57:29.200 --> 02:57:30.200]  Listeners, I'm sorry.
[02:57:30.200 --> 02:57:34.200]  Randy is kind of out of commission.
[02:57:34.200 --> 02:57:41.200]  Listeners, thank you so much for hanging on to us to this late hour in the morning.
[02:57:41.200 --> 02:57:43.200]  This has been wonderful.
[02:57:43.200 --> 02:57:50.200]  Christian, Jim, Scott, Mike, everybody, everybody, all the callers.
[02:57:50.200 --> 02:57:53.200]  Come on, Randy, do you have any last words for listeners?
[02:57:53.200 --> 02:57:54.200]  Come on.
[02:57:54.200 --> 02:57:55.200]  I'm dead.
[02:57:55.200 --> 02:57:57.200]  He's not a late night guy.
[02:57:57.200 --> 02:57:58.200]  He's not like me.
[02:57:58.200 --> 02:57:59.200]  He can't hang.
[02:57:59.200 --> 02:58:00.200]  Okay.
[02:58:00.200 --> 02:58:01.200]  Okay.
[02:58:01.200 --> 02:58:03.200]  Thank you so much, listeners, for joining us.
[02:58:03.200 --> 02:58:12.200]  This is Rule of Law Radio, and we will be back on Monday evening.
[02:58:12.200 --> 02:58:18.200]  I want to thank all our callers, all our listeners hanging on to such a late hour in the morning
[02:58:18.200 --> 02:58:22.200]  listening to our debates, arguments, everything.
[02:58:22.200 --> 02:58:25.200]  We've put our hearts on our sleeves.
[02:58:25.200 --> 02:58:27.200]  Everyone, all of us, so thank you.
[02:58:27.200 --> 02:58:32.200]  Please tune in again on Monday night, 6 p.m.
[02:58:32.200 --> 02:58:37.200]  Jurisdictionary for the Graves, 8 p.m.
[02:58:37.200 --> 02:58:45.200]  Randy and I will be back, assuming Randy isn't too hungover.
[02:58:45.200 --> 02:58:49.200]  Dude, I can drink this guy out of the table, man.
[02:58:49.200 --> 02:58:51.200]  He admits I can.
[02:58:51.200 --> 02:58:53.200]  Man, he just doesn't know how to pace himself.
[02:58:53.200 --> 02:58:54.200]  Okay.
[02:58:54.200 --> 02:58:55.200]  All right.
[02:58:55.200 --> 02:58:56.200]  We'll see y'all Monday.
[02:58:56.200 --> 02:58:58.200]  I drank two beers.
[02:58:58.200 --> 02:59:00.200]  Yeah, two beers.
[02:59:00.200 --> 02:59:01.200]  He's out.
[02:59:01.200 --> 02:59:02.200]  All right.
[02:59:02.200 --> 02:59:03.200]  Good night.
[02:59:03.200 --> 02:59:16.200]  We'll see y'all Monday.
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