[00:00.000 --> 00:11.700]  The International Criminal Court says it has no jurisdiction over Israeli forces in Gaza.
[00:11.700 --> 00:17.300]  Israel is accused of war crimes, but Israel never ratified the ICC's Rome Statute and
[00:17.300 --> 00:21.620]  the Gaza Strip is not considered a nation by the Court.
[00:21.620 --> 00:27.420]  The US has contradicted Israeli Prime Minister Eud Olmert's claims that Olmert told the US
[00:27.420 --> 00:33.040]  not to vote in favor of a US resolution condemning Israel's invasion of Gaza.
[00:33.040 --> 00:38.180]  The State Department said the government of Israel does not make US policy and suggested
[00:38.180 --> 00:42.640]  Israel might want to clarify or correct the record.
[00:42.640 --> 00:47.200]  In Iraq Wednesday, six Iraqis were killed and 13 wounded.
[00:47.200 --> 00:57.320]  Iraq formally turned over to the UN a document ratifying a ban against chemical weapons.
[00:57.320 --> 01:02.360]  In Latvia, several hundred demonstrators smashed police vehicles and broke office windows
[01:02.360 --> 01:06.120]  in an anti-government protest that turned into a riot.
[01:06.120 --> 01:10.800]  The violence, which followed a peaceful protest by thousands calling for early elections,
[01:10.800 --> 01:15.520]  was some of the worst seen in Latvia's capital Riga since the collapse of the former Soviet
[01:15.520 --> 01:18.200]  Union in 1991.
[01:18.200 --> 01:23.200]  Hundreds of protesters marched on parliament but were dispersed by police using tear gas
[01:23.200 --> 01:24.200]  and truncheons.
[01:24.200 --> 01:29.480]  A large group of rioters then roamed the city center, smashing windows with cobblestones
[01:29.480 --> 01:31.640]  dug up from the streets.
[01:31.640 --> 01:36.280]  Latvians are calling for political change as the country's economy has suddenly deteriorated.
[01:36.280 --> 01:41.920]  It has had to take a $10 billion loan from the International Monetary Fund and European
[01:41.920 --> 01:45.600]  Union after sliding into recession.
[01:45.600 --> 01:50.720]  Latvia was the European Union's fastest growing economy until last year when credit dried
[01:50.720 --> 01:59.040]  up and a consumer-fueled boom suddenly ended.
[01:59.040 --> 02:05.080]  A Russian oligarch and former KGB agent is expected to buy a controlling stake in the
[02:05.080 --> 02:07.080]  London Evening Standard.
[02:07.080 --> 02:13.000]  According to reports, Alexander Lebedov is to buy 76% of the newspaper.
[02:13.000 --> 02:17.680]  If the deal goes ahead, it will be the first time a British paper has been owned by a former
[02:17.680 --> 02:18.680]  foreign spy.
[02:18.680 --> 02:24.400]  It is understood the deal will be signed with the Daily Mail and General Trust Thursday
[02:24.400 --> 02:28.560]  after a year of secret negotiations with its chairman, Lord Rollamere.
[02:28.560 --> 02:33.440]  Lebedov is reported as saying he read the Evening Standard and other British papers
[02:33.440 --> 02:39.000]  when he was a young spy at the Soviet Embassy in London in the late 1980s.
[02:39.000 --> 02:44.080]  He has reportedly claimed he has no intention of interfering in British politics and promised
[02:44.080 --> 02:50.440]  a hands-off approach, Lebedov's $3.1 billion fortune was made mostly through stakes in
[02:50.440 --> 03:14.920]  banking and insurance companies and the Russian airline Aeroflot.
[03:14.920 --> 03:35.920]  Lebedov's $3.1 billion fortune was made mostly through stakes in banking and insurance companies
[03:35.920 --> 03:42.920]  and the Russian airline Aeroflot.
[03:42.920 --> 04:01.840]  Lebedov's $3.1 billion fortune was made mostly through stakes in banking and insurance companies
[04:01.840 --> 04:10.480]  and the Russian airline Aeroflot.
[04:10.480 --> 04:27.960]  All right, we are here, The Rule of Law, live.
[04:27.960 --> 04:38.560]  This is January 15th, The Rule of Law on Rule of Law Radio with Randy Kelton and Debra Stevens.
[04:38.560 --> 04:41.760]  We have some very special guests for you tonight.
[04:41.760 --> 04:43.680]  We've actually got three guests coming up.
[04:43.680 --> 04:49.640]  We've got Bill Shelbur and Lynn Boyle from SleepWell Investment, one of our sponsors,
[04:49.640 --> 04:51.640]  please support our sponsors.
[04:51.640 --> 04:56.480]  And they are here to talk about their industry, a very unique investment industry, something
[04:56.480 --> 05:02.160]  I'd never heard of before, before Bill contacted me about becoming a sponsor.
[05:02.160 --> 05:09.680]  And I think it's quite interesting and it's backed up with all kinds of case law and statute
[05:09.680 --> 05:13.200]  and it's a regulated industry, it's protected.
[05:13.200 --> 05:18.800]  And so they're here to talk about the case law and statute and the history of their industry.
[05:18.800 --> 05:27.640]  And then at 830, we have Chess Kane from Radio Liberty, 1640 AM, which is in Sioux Falls,
[05:27.640 --> 05:29.920]  South Dakota and Omaha, Nebraska.
[05:29.920 --> 05:34.080]  We'd like to welcome all our new listeners from up there, please call in.
[05:34.080 --> 05:43.520]  And he will be discussing also how to set up a micro AM radio station completely legal.
[05:43.520 --> 05:46.200]  This is not pirate radio here, what Chess is doing.
[05:46.200 --> 05:53.280]  This is legitimate FCC licensed low power AM and he is going to discuss how you can
[05:53.280 --> 05:57.520]  set one up, what the procedures are for, what you need to file with the FCC and all these
[05:57.520 --> 05:58.520]  kinds of things.
[05:58.520 --> 06:01.720]  All the statutes relating to that and what all's involved.
[06:01.720 --> 06:07.600]  So I'd like to thank Chess and Radio Liberty, 1640 AM for carrying our network and he will
[06:07.600 --> 06:09.840]  be coming on in about a half an hour.
[06:09.840 --> 06:14.760]  In the meantime, we've got Bill Shober and Lynn Boyle and Randy Kelton.
[06:14.760 --> 06:18.480]  Bill, Lynn, thank you for joining us tonight.
[06:18.480 --> 06:19.480]  Thank you, Deborah.
[06:19.480 --> 06:20.480]  Have a good evening.
[06:20.480 --> 06:21.480]  All right.
[06:21.480 --> 06:29.040]  So guys and Bill, if you would like to speak first, can you just basically give us a brief
[06:29.040 --> 06:35.880]  rundown of what life settlement investments are and the history of the industry and you
[06:35.880 --> 06:41.880]  said you had some FAQs, so go ahead and explain to us what life settlements are all about.
[06:41.880 --> 06:42.880]  Okay.
[06:42.880 --> 06:43.880]  Thanks, Deborah.
[06:43.880 --> 06:54.640]  So a life settlement is basically the purchase of a life insurance policy from an elderly
[06:54.640 --> 07:01.080]  individual that doesn't want it, doesn't need it or can't afford it any longer.
[07:01.080 --> 07:09.440]  We buy out their interest, take that over and then sell that policy out in increments
[07:09.440 --> 07:16.560]  and usually we have, usually we buy it for somewhere around $0.55 on the dollar.
[07:16.560 --> 07:23.840]  So the individual that's insured realizes a net gain from a policy that would lapse worthless.
[07:23.840 --> 07:33.360]  98% of these large policies lapse at zero and so they realize a lump sum in their later
[07:33.360 --> 07:38.960]  years to do with what they like and then we take the policy and sell it out to individual
[07:38.960 --> 07:41.200]  investors in smaller increments.
[07:41.200 --> 07:48.680]  Usually they're $1 million, $3 million, $5 million, $10 million policies so not everyone
[07:48.680 --> 07:55.200]  can afford that so we'll sell those out usually in $10,000 increments or more and then at
[07:55.200 --> 08:03.160]  that point you're assured from the A-rated insurance companies that when this person
[08:03.160 --> 08:11.800]  expires that you'll be paid a specific amount based on your interest that you invested in
[08:11.800 --> 08:13.520]  to begin with.
[08:13.520 --> 08:20.080]  Okay so just holding on one moment, just so I can maybe explain in my own words, I just
[08:20.080 --> 08:22.080]  want to get this straight.
[08:22.080 --> 08:28.960]  You have individuals out there who have been paying into life insurance policies for decades.
[08:28.960 --> 08:33.840]  Okay, hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars they have paid into these life
[08:33.840 --> 08:37.920]  insurance policies and for whatever reason they don't want them anymore.
[08:37.920 --> 08:42.280]  Maybe they had a falling out with their kids or whoever the beneficiary is.
[08:42.280 --> 08:45.840]  They can't find another beneficiary or maybe they just can't make the payments anymore
[08:45.840 --> 08:52.400]  or maybe they just decide they want the money themselves to travel the world the last 5,
[08:52.400 --> 08:56.080]  10 years of their life and have a good life with their spouse.
[08:56.080 --> 09:02.080]  And so what is the solution, if they dump the policy then they've lost all the money
[09:02.080 --> 09:04.840]  that they've put into it, okay.
[09:04.840 --> 09:07.880]  And so what do you do, what can that person do?
[09:07.880 --> 09:12.120]  You know and I got to admit when you first told me about this I was like oh this sounds
[09:12.120 --> 09:13.120]  a little weird.
[09:13.120 --> 09:18.480]  It's like you're buying a life insurance policy or you're buying a percentage of a pay out
[09:18.480 --> 09:21.120]  of a life insurance policy for this person to die.
[09:21.120 --> 09:23.960]  I don't know it just kind of struck me as a little bizarre but then I started thinking
[09:23.960 --> 09:29.200]  about it and I was like well hey you know I could put myself in this position, you know
[09:29.200 --> 09:33.400]  my husband and I, you know what if we had been paying and paying and paying for years
[09:33.400 --> 09:41.400]  and years and then we decided we just wanted the money or whatever the other reasons could
[09:41.400 --> 09:45.440]  be you know having falling out with the beneficiaries or what not.
[09:45.440 --> 09:51.920]  And I was thinking you know I sure would appreciate to be able to have a way to sell that policy
[09:51.920 --> 09:58.200]  and get a pay out for it so that I could enjoy that money that I had put into it all those
[09:58.200 --> 09:59.200]  years.
[09:59.200 --> 10:03.080]  So am I getting this straight, is that what this is all about?
[10:03.080 --> 10:04.520]  You're exactly right.
[10:04.520 --> 10:09.200]  A lot of cases the you know these families they may have a large business that they need
[10:09.200 --> 10:16.140]  to insure and at some point then they don't need that insurance policy anymore.
[10:16.140 --> 10:20.840]  Some of them may even be like a key man insurance policy.
[10:20.840 --> 10:23.200]  He's essentially tired, doesn't need it.
[10:23.200 --> 10:29.960]  You know the premium on a $10 million policy is $411,000 a year in some cases.
[10:29.960 --> 10:30.960]  Oh my goodness.
[10:30.960 --> 10:39.160]  Right so you can see an 80 year old that's in declining health you know do they want
[10:39.160 --> 10:43.360]  to pay $500,000 a year to keep this policy in force?
[10:43.360 --> 10:46.500]  Most of the time not or they can't.
[10:46.500 --> 10:54.880]  So this gives them a way to convert an otherwise worthless insurance policy into cash to do
[10:54.880 --> 10:58.120]  with what they will in the remainder of their years.
[10:58.120 --> 11:04.120]  All right now Bill is this just for life insurance policies or is it for other kinds of insurance
[11:04.120 --> 11:06.720]  as well?
[11:06.720 --> 11:07.720]  Just life.
[11:07.720 --> 11:08.720]  Okay okay.
[11:08.720 --> 11:09.720]  Strictly for life insurance.
[11:09.720 --> 11:10.720]  Okay excellent.
[11:10.720 --> 11:17.120]  These individuals when they sell a policy you know they have to go through underwriting
[11:17.120 --> 11:19.720]  just like when you buy a large insurance policy.
[11:19.720 --> 11:26.200]  So at the time they sell their policy a physician or actually a group of physicians will assign
[11:26.200 --> 11:33.000]  them a life expectancy and then the return on investment of that policy is based on the
[11:33.000 --> 11:35.120]  individual's life expectancy.
[11:35.120 --> 11:36.320]  Okay excellent.
[11:36.320 --> 11:40.880]  Now I'm going to ask you a question that I had asked you when we first talked to each
[11:40.880 --> 11:42.560]  other about this.
[11:42.560 --> 11:49.800]  Okay what is there to ensure that I'm actually going to get my money?
[11:49.800 --> 11:55.040]  Because what if the life what if the insurance company goes under between the time that I
[11:55.040 --> 11:59.720]  invest in this policy and the time the person dies?
[11:59.720 --> 12:00.720]  Then what?
[12:00.720 --> 12:05.720]  Am I just out of luck or what is there to ensure that I would actually get paid?
[12:05.720 --> 12:09.600]  That's a great question.
[12:09.600 --> 12:18.560]  The assurance is that each state requires the insurance company to maintain what is
[12:18.560 --> 12:25.280]  called a legal cash reserve and that being that if you buy a dollar's worth of insurance
[12:25.280 --> 12:31.960]  the insurance company is required to put a dollar and three cents in escrow.
[12:31.960 --> 12:39.080]  So if the insurance company were to go out of business this legal cash reserve would
[12:39.080 --> 12:44.240]  pay the policy, pay the benefit, the death benefit.
[12:44.240 --> 12:45.240]  Excellent.
[12:45.240 --> 12:50.640]  So this is a regulated industry regulated by state and federal laws.
[12:50.640 --> 12:54.520]  Absolutely and there has not been a death benefit.
[12:54.520 --> 12:59.320]  They've never failed to pay a death benefit since the mid 1800s.
[12:59.320 --> 13:00.320]  Oh wow.
[13:00.320 --> 13:06.240]  So even through the depression you know banks went bankrupt during the Great Depression
[13:06.240 --> 13:10.320]  but insurance companies kept paying their death benefits and the others for that matter.
[13:10.320 --> 13:18.920]  So these are all B, B plus, A and A plus rated insurance companies by AM best.
[13:18.920 --> 13:28.080]  So they're good, sound, solid as can be and the money's in reserve to pay the premiums.
[13:28.080 --> 13:34.960]  So it's basically a no risk investment because it's a regulated industry.
[13:34.960 --> 13:40.840]  There hasn't been a death benefit that has not been paid since the mid 1800s.
[13:40.840 --> 13:47.640]  So folks we've got a 150 year track record here of life insurance companies paying life
[13:47.640 --> 13:48.640]  insurance policies.
[13:48.640 --> 13:49.880]  They don't mess around.
[13:49.880 --> 13:58.800]  They always pay and people die so it seems like a sure thing to me.
[13:58.800 --> 14:02.360]  And well it's you know death and taxes.
[14:02.360 --> 14:05.480]  Death and taxes indeed, indeed you know.
[14:05.480 --> 14:11.200]  We're able to you know to help the elderly with their financial position in the later
[14:11.200 --> 14:18.240]  years and the investors then realize the gain at the time of maturity.
[14:18.240 --> 14:19.240]  Excellent.
[14:19.240 --> 14:23.880]  Okay we're going to skip this break because we want to get out this information as quickly
[14:23.880 --> 14:28.240]  as we can because we also have other guests coming on.
[14:28.240 --> 14:34.200]  Bill you had some FAQs that you wanted to mention and then I believe Randy wanted to
[14:34.200 --> 14:37.520]  discuss the case law surrounding this.
[14:37.520 --> 14:45.440]  This has actually been legitimized as an official investment by the Supreme Court so we want
[14:45.440 --> 14:46.440]  to discuss that.
[14:46.440 --> 14:52.160]  Why don't you continue with your FAQs first and then we'll discuss the case law.
[14:52.160 --> 14:55.800]  Okay well just you know a little bit about the regulation.
[14:55.800 --> 15:02.240]  You know the state banking commissions, the insurance commissions, we're a publicly traded
[15:02.240 --> 15:07.680]  company on the NASDAQ so the Securities and Exchange Commission.
[15:07.680 --> 15:12.320]  You know fully transparent as far as the transaction goes.
[15:12.320 --> 15:19.440]  So everybody knows where their money is, where it's held in escrow and that you know the
[15:19.440 --> 15:25.400]  proper authorities are watching to make sure that everyone receives what they're supposed
[15:25.400 --> 15:26.400]  to.
[15:26.400 --> 15:32.440]  This is one of the few investments out there that at the time your policy is closed and
[15:32.440 --> 15:40.400]  it goes through a closing someone like a real estate is you'll receive a packet of closing
[15:40.400 --> 15:47.160]  documents and in that document you actually get a promissory note from the trustees stating
[15:47.160 --> 15:53.800]  to the penny what your investment return is going to be based on the policy that you bought.
[15:53.800 --> 16:00.560]  Okay so there's not many investments out there these days where you get a promissory note
[16:00.560 --> 16:05.840]  on your return on your investment at the time of closing.
[16:05.840 --> 16:15.240]  So it's assured by the insurance companies that payable on death that you'll receive
[16:15.240 --> 16:18.200]  you know X dollars and cents.
[16:18.200 --> 16:22.360]  So you know full regulation and full transparency.
[16:22.360 --> 16:26.240]  So this is clearly intended as a long term investment.
[16:26.240 --> 16:28.840]  Absolutely, yes sir.
[16:28.840 --> 16:34.560]  Randy it's generally that the investments run anywhere from two years to seven years
[16:34.560 --> 16:37.160]  usually no longer than seven years.
[16:37.160 --> 16:42.960]  It's if you could compare it to the purchase of a bond that you know when you buy a bond
[16:42.960 --> 16:49.080]  at X and then in 10 years it's going to mature at X.
[16:49.080 --> 16:52.880]  So it's akin to a type of bond.
[16:52.880 --> 17:00.040]  And Bill you were also telling me that there's a closing just like a real estate closing.
[17:00.040 --> 17:01.040]  Correct.
[17:01.040 --> 17:02.040]  Okay.
[17:02.040 --> 17:09.520]  So you'll receive you know the transfer of the policy and the beneficiary goes to the
[17:09.520 --> 17:12.440]  company that holds it in trust.
[17:12.440 --> 17:20.040]  You get a copy of that transaction, the promissory note and then you actually get a medical condition
[17:20.040 --> 17:23.120]  report of the insurers.
[17:23.120 --> 17:30.360]  So you know where that insured stands health wise at the time of closing and then of course
[17:30.360 --> 17:37.040]  you get the report on what if you've invested $5,000 in that maturity you're going to be
[17:37.040 --> 17:39.280]  paid $10,000.
[17:39.280 --> 17:45.720]  And Bill how long has the life settlement industry been in existence and how long has
[17:45.720 --> 17:49.520]  your company been in existence?
[17:49.520 --> 17:58.760]  The life settlements began in 1911 with a court case, Rigsby versus Russell was a Supreme
[17:58.760 --> 18:09.840]  Court case and at that time Mr. Russell was giving Mr. Rigsby his life insurance policy
[18:09.840 --> 18:12.320]  in payment for services.
[18:12.320 --> 18:16.640]  And the insurance company said no you can't do that because you don't have any interest,
[18:16.640 --> 18:18.060]  no vested interest in this.
[18:18.060 --> 18:25.360]  So they took it to the Supreme Court and Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote the opinion that an insurance
[18:25.360 --> 18:32.760]  policy is an asset like any other property that you can buy and sell.
[18:32.760 --> 18:42.080]  So it actually started in 1911, the fractional portion to where instead of having to buy
[18:42.080 --> 18:46.800]  you know a million dollar policy from an insured for $500,000.
[18:46.800 --> 18:58.040]  Now 17 years ago our company decided to gather investors to be able to buy smaller pieces
[18:58.040 --> 18:59.760]  of large insurance policies.
[18:59.760 --> 19:06.520]  So in a million dollar policy we may have 50 or 100 investors that buy you know $5,000
[19:06.520 --> 19:08.400]  or $10,000 interest in it.
[19:08.400 --> 19:11.400]  So 17 years as far as our company goes.
[19:11.400 --> 19:18.120]  We're the oldest, we're the only publicly traded life settlement company.
[19:18.120 --> 19:20.120]  Wow incredible.
[19:20.120 --> 19:29.240]  Okay so it's a regulated industry, it's your company is traded on the NASDAQ, it's regulated
[19:29.240 --> 19:35.720]  by the SEC, it's regulated by state law and the Supreme Court has ruled that it is legitimate
[19:35.720 --> 19:43.960]  and that life insurance policies are considered assets that you can sell and divvy up.
[19:43.960 --> 19:49.200]  So sounds like a pretty good no brainer to me.
[19:49.200 --> 19:51.360]  What do you have to say about this Randy?
[19:51.360 --> 19:59.840]  Yes I'm here reading the citation Grigsby v. Russell and it's clear their concern was
[19:59.840 --> 20:05.920]  the insurance company, they weren't concerned about paying the premium because they took
[20:05.920 --> 20:10.240]  the premium and gave it to the court and the court held it in escrow.
[20:10.240 --> 20:16.360]  They just seemed to want to make sure that the premium was paid to the right people and
[20:16.360 --> 20:24.480]  the only question was appears to have been that they felt that the doctor who paid, who
[20:24.480 --> 20:31.840]  bought the policy from the ill individual, it was a person who was ill, needed an operation,
[20:31.840 --> 20:37.080]  couldn't afford it, so the doctor bought his insurance policy so he could get an operation
[20:37.080 --> 20:44.840]  and that seemed like a better use of the policy than the use to keep himself alive rather
[20:44.840 --> 20:48.200]  than wait to appeal to somebody else after he passed away.
[20:48.200 --> 20:53.560]  But the insurance company was questioned whether or not he had a right to collect the proceeds
[20:53.560 --> 20:59.440]  of the policy beyond that amount of money that he actually paid into the policy.
[20:59.440 --> 21:07.760]  Oh wait a minute, yeah that's just wrong because if the policy says upon expiration the payout
[21:07.760 --> 21:13.120]  is X amount of dollars then that's what it's worth, not what you put into it.
[21:13.120 --> 21:15.480]  That wasn't the issue the insurance company had.
[21:15.480 --> 21:19.440]  They just wanted to make sure that the right people got the assets.
[21:19.440 --> 21:26.800]  They were trying to, the question was did the doctor have the right to the entire proceeds
[21:26.800 --> 21:35.160]  of the policy or did the estate of the deceased have the right to the proceeds beyond that
[21:35.160 --> 21:37.680]  amount that the doctor paid.
[21:37.680 --> 21:42.400]  So it seems like this was kind of a benign controversy.
[21:42.400 --> 21:46.600]  It was about divvying up the policy is what it was about.
[21:46.600 --> 21:50.040]  Right about making sure the right people got paid.
[21:50.040 --> 21:51.720]  And so what did the court say?
[21:51.720 --> 21:53.160]  They're allowed to divvy it up right?
[21:53.160 --> 22:00.080]  It was a contract that the insurance company tried to say that they made a contract with
[22:00.080 --> 22:07.560]  the original policy holder and that when he changed it to someone else that he voided
[22:07.560 --> 22:14.600]  the contract and what the court said that if the insurance company had that option they
[22:14.600 --> 22:20.200]  waived it by not expressing it prior to the passing of the individual.
[22:20.200 --> 22:24.600]  I haven't read the whole thing but I suspect it's going to go on to say that this is private
[22:24.600 --> 22:32.880]  contract anyway and it's really not the insurance company's place to make that determination
[22:32.880 --> 22:40.640]  but being that it's life insurance I can certainly understand the caution because she certainly
[22:40.640 --> 22:46.200]  wouldn't want me to be able to come and take out a life insurance policy against on someone
[22:46.200 --> 22:48.400]  that I really don't like.
[22:48.400 --> 22:56.960]  They might get concerned about that so I understood the concern but it seemed like it was well
[22:56.960 --> 22:59.760]  addressed in the case.
[22:59.760 --> 23:00.760]  Right.
[23:00.760 --> 23:01.760]  Absolutely.
[23:01.760 --> 23:06.160]  Go ahead Bill.
[23:06.160 --> 23:15.560]  Moving on from the legal side Debra is a lot of these accounts and as I say they're always
[23:15.560 --> 23:26.640]  held in escrow so where your money is you never lose control of your money is that we
[23:26.640 --> 23:38.560]  do a lot in IRAs, 401s, individual retirement accounts and if anyone is interested in investing
[23:38.560 --> 23:44.440]  and has a retirement account they want to invest in life settlements they can do so
[23:44.440 --> 23:52.400]  with a rollover from their qualified custodian to our qualified custodian without any tax
[23:52.400 --> 23:53.400]  consequences.
[23:53.400 --> 24:01.920]  Seventy percent of our money is retirement money and thus our name is sleep well investment
[24:01.920 --> 24:06.720]  but once you're invested in a life settlement you know how much your money is going to be
[24:06.720 --> 24:13.240]  worth and at some point in time that you're going to be paid that amount of money so it's
[24:13.240 --> 24:16.640]  really a nice vehicle for retirement accounts.
[24:16.640 --> 24:17.640]  Yes.
[24:17.640 --> 24:18.640]  It sounds like it.
[24:18.640 --> 24:26.400]  We're in an age here where everyone's losing their 401Ks because they're being mismanaged
[24:26.400 --> 24:31.120]  by the investment broker of their company that they work for.
[24:31.120 --> 24:42.840]  I mean my husband has a client that lost $75,000 in her 401K in two weeks and she's panicking
[24:42.840 --> 24:47.400]  now she's like 60 years old she doesn't know how she's going to live.
[24:47.400 --> 24:55.360]  You know so this sounds to me like a very viable reasonable investment that I mean it
[24:55.360 --> 25:00.360]  sounds to me like it's the next best thing to metals really.
[25:00.360 --> 25:01.360]  It really is.
[25:01.360 --> 25:05.880]  And it's even better in some ways.
[25:05.880 --> 25:12.920]  Correct I mean it's a you know if you're invested in dollars then I can't see much that's any
[25:12.920 --> 25:21.480]  safer because a life settlement is not affected by the stock market, by oil prices, by terrorism,
[25:21.480 --> 25:28.680]  by any market fluctuations that are out there it's simply a matter of time until your investment
[25:28.680 --> 25:29.680]  pays.
[25:29.680 --> 25:30.680]  Right.
[25:30.680 --> 25:36.160]  So it's a very comforting thing to know that you're and you know that's one story that
[25:36.160 --> 25:37.900]  we hear them every day.
[25:37.900 --> 25:42.920]  You know I have a little man that worked for a company for 30 years and at the start of
[25:42.920 --> 25:54.000]  this year he had $500,000 and now he has $250,000 and he's already retired so you can hear the
[25:54.000 --> 25:55.400]  panic in his voice.
[25:55.400 --> 25:56.400]  I bet.
[25:56.400 --> 25:59.760]  You know his money just drips away.
[25:59.760 --> 26:04.920]  I mean it sounds to me like really the only risk here is inflation but you're talking
[26:04.920 --> 26:11.440]  about an 80% return on your investment like weren't you telling me generally the payoff
[26:11.440 --> 26:16.880]  is like someone would invest $10,000 and then when the policy comes to term they would get
[26:16.880 --> 26:21.880]  $18,000 back so that's like an 80% return on your investment.
[26:21.880 --> 26:25.880]  So inflation would have a long way to go to catch up.
[26:25.880 --> 26:33.620]  Right and our let me explain that just a little bit further Deborah is that our annualized
[26:33.620 --> 26:39.880]  average return over the last 17 years is 15.83%.
[26:39.880 --> 26:40.880]  That's pretty good.
[26:40.880 --> 26:43.920]  Now that's not bad.
[26:43.920 --> 26:48.020]  I don't know that too many people could beat that over a 17 year period.
[26:48.020 --> 26:55.400]  Now the example I was giving you is my mother invested $10,000 and she got a policy that
[26:55.400 --> 27:00.120]  had a 3 to 5 year life expectancy.
[27:00.120 --> 27:05.360]  So her yield on that is 83%.
[27:05.360 --> 27:17.920]  So if the insured lives 5 years you can divide that 83 by 5 or if the insured lives 1 day
[27:17.920 --> 27:21.400]  you can divide that 83% by 1 day.
[27:21.400 --> 27:27.240]  So you can see how your yield can be affected by the annual percentage rate.
[27:27.240 --> 27:35.680]  So obviously as it gets out towards the term your annual rate goes down about annual rates
[27:35.680 --> 27:37.720]  right at 16%.
[27:37.720 --> 27:38.720]  That's fantastic Bill.
[27:38.720 --> 27:39.720]  I'm very impressed.
[27:39.720 --> 27:43.320]  Could you please give out your website and your phone number and give out the website
[27:43.320 --> 27:48.040]  of the parent company as well.
[27:48.040 --> 27:49.040]  Okay.
[27:49.040 --> 27:59.720]  So our website is sleepwellinvestment.com, that's S-L-E-E-P-W-E-L-L investment singular
[27:59.720 --> 28:03.000]  because we only have one investment that we deal with.
[28:03.000 --> 28:16.880]  And then the parent company is their site is L-P-H-I.com, that's lifepartnersholdingsincorporated.com.
[28:16.880 --> 28:22.840]  My phone number is 817-975-2431.
[28:22.840 --> 28:28.760]  Excellent, excellent.
[28:28.760 --> 28:35.080]  Before you go there is one question that I wanted to ask.
[28:35.080 --> 28:39.120]  Did Boyd beat the crap out of Decatur in football this year?
[28:39.120 --> 28:47.880]  Apparently Bill is from an area where his high school football team is rivals with Randy's
[28:47.880 --> 28:48.880]  high school football team.
[28:48.880 --> 28:54.640]  Yes, I'm from Boyd, Texas and it's about 10 miles south of Decatur.
[28:54.640 --> 29:02.000]  Well now since you brought that up Randy, I have a son that went to Trinity High School.
[29:02.000 --> 29:08.600]  So we were in the Metroplex, the Ulysses Trinity Trojans and they were ranked number one in
[29:08.600 --> 29:14.760]  the nation all year long until we lost Allen in the area playoff.
[29:14.760 --> 29:18.920]  So Decatur is not really my team, but you're right, Boyd.
[29:18.920 --> 29:23.520]  We thought about moving him, Boyd, they won a couple of state championships, so you're
[29:23.520 --> 29:24.520]  correct.
[29:24.520 --> 29:28.320]  All right, listen, listen, Bill, Lynn, thank you for joining us tonight.
[29:28.320 --> 29:32.400]  We're going to let you go now so we can get to our next guest, but we'd love to have you
[29:32.400 --> 29:35.800]  on again, sleepwellinvestment.com.
[29:35.800 --> 29:36.920]  Please check them out.
[29:36.920 --> 29:38.960]  It sounds like a sure thing to me.
[29:38.960 --> 29:41.680]  We'll be right back after the break.
[29:41.680 --> 29:46.120]  Thanks, guys.
[29:46.120 --> 29:50.120]  Gold prices are at historic highs and with the recent pullback, this is a great time
[29:50.120 --> 29:51.120]  to buy.
[29:51.120 --> 29:55.600]  With the value of the dollar, risks of inflation, geopolitical uncertainties and instability
[29:55.600 --> 29:59.120]  in world financial systems, I see gold going up much higher.
[29:59.120 --> 30:02.440]  Hi, I'm Tim Fry at Roberts and Roberts Brokerage.
[30:02.440 --> 30:06.160]  Everybody should have some of their assets in investment grade precious metals.
[30:06.160 --> 30:10.160]  With Roberts and Roberts Brokerage, you can buy gold, silver and platinum with confidence
[30:10.160 --> 30:15.160]  from a brokerage that specialized in the precious metals market since 1977.
[30:15.160 --> 30:18.920]  If you are new to precious metals, we will happily provide you with the information you
[30:18.920 --> 30:23.240]  need to make an informed decision whether or not you choose to purchase from us.
[30:23.240 --> 30:27.680]  Also, Roberts and Roberts Brokerage values your privacy and will always advise you in
[30:27.680 --> 30:31.040]  the event that we would be required to report any transaction.
[30:31.040 --> 30:35.160]  If you have gold, silver or platinum you'd like to sell, we can convert it for immediate
[30:35.160 --> 30:36.160]  payment.
[31:05.160 --> 31:23.160]  Some people are pushing ideas with which I may not agree, because they want the world
[31:23.160 --> 31:31.620]  to be that way they think it should be.
[31:31.620 --> 31:35.620]  In my heart I pray we're not gonna bring any damage
[31:35.620 --> 31:40.620]  On the stones, down with the people living in the police class homes
[31:40.620 --> 31:46.620]  Damage, on the stones, down with the people living in the police class homes
[31:46.620 --> 31:49.620]  I feel the pain, but it's alright
[31:49.620 --> 31:52.620]  Rain, but it's alright
[31:52.620 --> 31:57.620]  Pain, but it's alright
[31:57.620 --> 32:02.620]  Rain down, thunder storm, I do what I want
[32:02.620 --> 32:05.620]  I'm just like a charm, you know
[32:05.620 --> 32:08.620]  You know
[32:11.620 --> 32:14.620]  Breaking rocks, don't ask of me once again
[32:14.620 --> 32:17.620]  It's like, you know, me brain will tell me, catch a migraine
[32:17.620 --> 32:20.620]  Using up the cracker, running a cocaine
[32:20.620 --> 32:23.620]  Coming out to dance, and you won't give me the fame
[32:23.620 --> 32:27.620]  Watching up a man that says you're walking very lame
[32:27.620 --> 32:30.620]  Coming out to session after you're walking to shame
[32:30.620 --> 32:33.620]  You see, you see, just the way you're walking so strange
[32:33.620 --> 32:36.620]  It's like, you know, me brain will tell me, catch a migraine
[32:36.620 --> 32:39.620]  I'm not gonna proceed, I'm not gonna deal with damage
[32:39.620 --> 32:42.620]  I'm not gonna proceed, I'm not gonna deal with damage
[32:42.620 --> 32:45.620]  I'm not gonna proceed, I'm not gonna deal with damage
[32:45.620 --> 32:51.620]  Alright, this is The Rule of Law on Rule of Law Radio
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[33:03.620 --> 33:07.620]  We're giving the bad guys three shoes, two on their feet, and one you know where
[33:07.620 --> 33:12.620]  We just got through speaking with Bill Shelbur and his business partner Lynn Boyle
[33:12.620 --> 33:15.620]  who kind of hung in the background there, but
[33:15.620 --> 33:18.620]  At any rate, please support our sponsors, please give them a call
[33:18.620 --> 33:22.620]  Let them know even if you decide not to invest or if you can't
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[33:25.620 --> 33:28.620]  You know, our sponsors is what keeps us on the air
[33:28.620 --> 33:34.620]  And I do want to give a big thank you to all the people who have sent such generous donations
[33:34.620 --> 33:36.620]  Because you keep us on the air too
[33:36.620 --> 33:40.620]  We've got the new equipment set up, I just set up some more equipment over the weekend
[33:40.620 --> 33:44.620]  And we are rocking and rolling here
[33:44.620 --> 33:49.620]  Our stream is sounding great going out over the FM's and the AM's apparently
[33:49.620 --> 33:52.620]  Which leads us to our next guest, Mr. Chess Kane
[33:52.620 --> 34:00.620]  Wait, wait, I have to personally thank the person who sent me that nickel for my beer fund
[34:00.620 --> 34:04.620]  Oh, that's right, that was one of our listeners, Walt, yes
[34:04.620 --> 34:09.620]  Even Randy's gotten some donations for his beer fund and I haven't confiscated them
[34:09.620 --> 34:12.620]  Anybody who sends anything for Randy's beer fund goes to his beer fund
[34:12.620 --> 34:21.620]  Indeed, and so now we've got Chess Kane, our next guest from Radio Liberty 1640 AM
[34:21.620 --> 34:26.620]  In Sioux Falls, South Dakota and Omaha, Nebraska
[34:26.620 --> 34:29.620]  Chess, thank you for joining us tonight
[34:29.620 --> 34:32.620]  Oh yeah, thanks for having me on
[34:32.620 --> 34:38.620]  This project's been a lot of fun and it's actually getting more attention than I thought it would
[34:38.620 --> 34:44.620]  And so I've kind of taken it much, much more seriously trying to help other people do the same thing
[34:44.620 --> 34:45.620]  This is wonderful what you're doing
[34:45.620 --> 34:49.620]  Now listeners, this is not pirate radio, what Chess is doing
[34:49.620 --> 34:55.620]  This is legitimate FCC licensed low power AM and he's here to tell you about it
[34:55.620 --> 35:00.620]  Legal issues surrounding it, how you can set one up yourself
[35:00.620 --> 35:05.620]  This is a wonderful way to get the news out, to get the word of truth out
[35:05.620 --> 35:12.620]  And Chess, I would like you to talk a little bit about how you got into this in the first place
[35:12.620 --> 35:17.620]  And how somebody would go about setting one of these up themselves
[35:17.620 --> 35:23.620]  And you sell transmitters also, so can you please go into that
[35:23.620 --> 35:27.620]  Well yeah, first I'll jump ahead just a little bit
[35:27.620 --> 35:33.620]  Because what we're doing is the legal laws, it's called part 15
[35:33.620 --> 35:39.620]  And if you look at household devices and things like that that emit RF radiation
[35:39.620 --> 35:49.620]  They have a part 15 class is a transmitter that is designed not to allow interference to other legal transmitting entities
[35:49.620 --> 35:52.620]  You know, broadcasters or whatever
[35:52.620 --> 36:00.620]  So a lot of these transmitters in this same class are actually considered toys
[36:00.620 --> 36:06.620]  So the inventor, the designer of this particular unit, he took it a step forward
[36:06.620 --> 36:15.620]  Now to back up how I got involved, actually right when Ron Paul was really getting heavy in his campaign
[36:15.620 --> 36:19.620]  I'd say it was July or August of 2007
[36:19.620 --> 36:23.620]  I was at the same time thinking about getting back into ham radio
[36:23.620 --> 36:28.620]  Because I wanted to get back into Morse code and that sort of thing, just to have a backup means of communication
[36:28.620 --> 36:33.620]  And then my business was thriving, I have another business
[36:33.620 --> 36:38.620]  And I found this little FM transmitter and I rigged up a way to put it on my car
[36:38.620 --> 36:42.620]  So I could drive around on the back and it said tune to 99.1 for more information on my business
[36:42.620 --> 36:45.620]  And you were broadcasting from your car
[36:45.620 --> 36:52.620]  Yeah, well it just had an eight minute loop that talked about my business product, nothing to do with this AM system at all
[36:52.620 --> 37:02.620]  And then after I found, listening to Ron Paul, I found this alternative media which I had nothing
[37:02.620 --> 37:08.620]  You know what, I have to thank Bill O'Reilly because he criticized Ron Paul so badly, he was so ridiculous
[37:08.620 --> 37:11.620]  That's when I started digging
[37:11.620 --> 37:15.620]  Thanks to Bill O'Reilly being such a fool in my opinion
[37:15.620 --> 37:19.620]  He opened my eyes and said, whoa, this guy he's criticizing, this guy knows what he's talking about
[37:19.620 --> 37:22.620]  So I started digging, I found an alternative radio
[37:22.620 --> 37:28.620]  And then I said, well why don't I get involved with rebroadcasting here since I can do it and it's legal
[37:28.620 --> 37:31.620]  And I wanted to get into radio hobby anyway
[37:31.620 --> 37:39.620]  Well then I found Keith Hamilton who designed this radio and it's just a cut above, the quality is so high
[37:39.620 --> 37:51.620]  When I started doing my research I found out that other ex-broadcasters, ex-FMAM legendary broadcasters were doing this as a hobby in their own neighborhoods
[37:51.620 --> 37:54.620]  So that's how I got started in this
[37:54.620 --> 37:57.620]  Incredible, incredible
[37:57.620 --> 38:10.620]  So basically what thrilled me about the whole thing is what makes the radio system work is, of course having an electronics background does help
[38:10.620 --> 38:16.620]  But it's all in the technique on how you put it together and the most important point is the grounding system
[38:16.620 --> 38:22.620]  If your transmitter in your home or whatever you mount it to has a good ground plane
[38:22.620 --> 38:28.620]  The AM broadcast band or anything under 30 MHz will propagate quite well
[38:28.620 --> 38:40.620]  And the higher the quality of the transmitter parts, the better the audio is and the better it can work with quality audio gear
[38:40.620 --> 38:48.620]  So all these parts kind of go hand in hand, but there's basic setups and there's real elaborate setups
[38:48.620 --> 39:00.620]  And what's interesting is, since I've had my radio on the air, is the ground that I put in the dirt sets on in and my signal actually gets bigger and bigger automatically
[39:00.620 --> 39:06.620]  And the one we did in Omaha, the gentleman's house, we put it on there, he also knows the same thing
[39:06.620 --> 39:11.620]  He goes, you know what, when we first put this in it was, you know, I could go this far, a half mile out
[39:11.620 --> 39:19.620]  And now we have the reporter come in three and a half miles out, the guy's listening to us on a radio in his window field
[39:19.620 --> 39:20.620]  That's great
[39:20.620 --> 39:22.620]  Southwest of the transmitter
[39:22.620 --> 39:34.620]  Okay, so Chess, yeah, give us a little bit of information about, okay, regarding the regulations of these low power AMs
[39:34.620 --> 39:44.620]  And what the wattage, the output wattage limit is, apparently you have set up 15 of these in the Omaha and Sioux Falls area
[39:44.620 --> 39:58.620]  And this is to establish a net, some kind of a web to cover the areas because the government won't let you guys or won't let us set up one big powerful transmitter
[39:58.620 --> 40:00.620]  So can you go a little bit into that?
[40:00.620 --> 40:06.620]  Sure, well actually I only have five on right now, I'm about ready to put three more on
[40:06.620 --> 40:18.620]  But what it is is the difference between AM and FM, after I already got this station up, I noticed on the FM side there's all sorts of these
[40:18.620 --> 40:24.620]  They just call them micro-FMs, you know, they don't tell you much, but it is totally illegal
[40:24.620 --> 40:32.620]  And all you have to do is do one little bit of interference or make a neighbor upset and they call you in and you're on the list for the FCC to come check you out
[40:32.620 --> 40:44.620]  But on AM, because AM is kind of brushed back into the, you know, it's the quiet side and the FCC technicians are, they're really busy with cellular
[40:44.620 --> 40:51.620]  Because I actually came from Dallas, I was in the, I worked for AT&T Wireless and South Christian Belt Wireless and all those companies
[40:51.620 --> 41:01.620]  They created this, it's part 15.219, that's the actual regulation that this transmitter works off of, it's part 15.219
[41:01.620 --> 41:13.620]  So the FCC said, if we can get an engineer to make a transmitter with legitimate quality and we can trust this person to put out a product that we don't have to watch every minute of the day
[41:13.620 --> 41:22.620]  You can fall under this category and unlike FM, FM has a radiation level per distance ruling
[41:22.620 --> 41:33.620]  So you can go, if you go 200 feet away, they can take a field strength meter and if you're above a certain, what they call it, voltage per distance
[41:33.620 --> 41:41.620]  Then you'll get a fine because if you exceed that amount, where people can hear you 200 feet away, you could be in a lot of trouble
[41:41.620 --> 41:53.620]  Well, what they said with this part 15.219 is, if you use a certified transmitter, we won't have a limitation on the distance the signal can go
[41:53.620 --> 42:03.620]  As long as, and there's no distance to height that you can put the transmitter, as long as you limit yourself to 100 milliwatts, doesn't sound like a whole lot but it works
[42:03.620 --> 42:16.620]  100 milliwatts and the antenna itself can't, it's limited to the length of three meters and then it has to be certified
[42:16.620 --> 42:23.620]  And the transmitter itself has the certification number on it, anything, everything, so if somebody wanted to check it out, it's there
[42:23.620 --> 42:35.620]  So as long as you abide by those rules and you're not on a frequency you're not supposed to be, you know, if there's not a neighboring station in town on that same frequency, then they'll leave you alone
[42:35.620 --> 42:50.620]  So the next step is how do I get to, okay, well if you want to get a larger area, the man who created these, Keith Hamilton, and I'm actually selling them for him because he just, he can't take the time to do the customer service
[42:50.620 --> 42:53.620]  So I said, well why don't you let me do that and I'll work on these
[42:53.620 --> 43:03.620]  What, basically what you have is he built a transmitter that can be synchronized together and if you put two transmitters next to each other that are off, out of phase
[43:03.620 --> 43:15.620]  And he built a module that these can actually link together, so you can actually put five on your roof and you, about a mile out, you increase the signal 3 dB, so that's essentially doubling the signal
[43:15.620 --> 43:22.620]  And another trick that you can do, which I'm actually doing right now, is connect these via microwaves
[43:22.620 --> 43:33.620]  So you have just, my audio goes into one transmitter and then it'll be shot out to a small microwave transmitter, which I'll tell, people can look that up in a minute
[43:33.620 --> 43:39.620]  And then the two transmitters down the road are both picking up that signal, totally synchronized
[43:39.620 --> 43:47.620]  I'm not connected to the phone company for my audio and it's, after a while it starts to pay for itself
[43:47.620 --> 43:54.620]  So, the other side of the story though, I mean, second to that, well does that make sense?
[43:54.620 --> 44:00.620]  Yes, yes, yes, absolutely. Yeah, continue, please continue
[44:00.620 --> 44:14.620]  Well for people listening, if you want to see what I've done, on my home radio station website, it's more for the radio station than it is for the sale of these units
[44:14.620 --> 44:20.620]  And that's Liberty1640.com, so Liberty1640.com
[44:20.620 --> 44:30.620]  And then around, on each one of those pages you'll find a link that says start your own part 15 station, I have to redo those menus
[44:30.620 --> 44:34.620]  I've actually got someone redoing that website for me to make it look more professional
[44:34.620 --> 44:44.620]  But if you just, if you want to see the information on the transmitter itself, you can search in Google, what is it, I have it here
[44:44.620 --> 44:51.620]  I'm just searching Google AM transmitter initiative and my page will come up first in a Google search
[44:51.620 --> 45:00.620]  If you want information on the actual regulations, you can go to my supplier, which is Keith Hamilton
[45:00.620 --> 45:09.620]  The website URL is a little bit longer, it's www.am1000rangemaster.com
[45:09.620 --> 45:17.620]  Again, am1000rangemaster.com, so the name of the transmitter is the Rangemaster 1000
[45:17.620 --> 45:26.620]  So am1000rangemaster.com forward slash legal, L-E-G-A-L, and you'll see all the FCC regulations
[45:26.620 --> 45:33.620]  Now, Keith, we get a lot of customers that say, well if I do this, is it going to be legal, if I do this, is it going to be illegal
[45:33.620 --> 45:41.620]  Well Keith has actually written FCC and they purposely reply back with vague guidelines
[45:41.620 --> 45:45.620]  So, I don't know why they do that exactly
[45:45.620 --> 45:48.620]  Yeah, I'm sure they do, because they want you to make mistakes
[45:48.620 --> 45:50.620]  You need to open for your own interpretation
[45:50.620 --> 45:53.620]  Yeah, they want people to make mistakes so they can come after them
[45:53.620 --> 45:58.620]  Yeah, they're very vague, because we try to get them to nail down a few things
[45:58.620 --> 46:05.620]  And there's some forums with some professionals that have been doing this for years
[46:05.620 --> 46:12.620]  And they actually say, the biggest mistake you can make in this whole area, you can do a lot of things and you won't get in trouble
[46:12.620 --> 46:24.620]  The biggest mistake, I need to tell everybody this, with part 15, you can play music and ask CAP and BMI, a lot of people ask this question, do I have to have a license for that
[46:24.620 --> 46:33.620]  Well I just avoid playing the music, but if you do, they actually say themselves that they're not going after part 15ers anymore because they never got their money
[46:33.620 --> 46:41.620]  But if you stream the audio on the internet, they'll go after you in a second, that's the most important fact to keep people from getting in trouble
[46:41.620 --> 46:50.620]  The other side of it is, if you go to Best Buy or electronic store, Radio Shack, and they have those little cigarette lighter units
[46:50.620 --> 46:57.620]  You can plug in and play your MP3 player over your car radio, see that's in the same category, so you're actually in that same category
[46:57.620 --> 47:06.620]  That's why the royalty companies like ASCAP and BMI, they don't mess with part 15ers
[47:06.620 --> 47:15.620]  Now you can also play music that's older than 75 years old, and if you notice on my schedule, I have a friend in Fort Worth called Radio Dismuke, radiodismuke.com
[47:15.620 --> 47:20.620]  And I replay his audio to fill in the holes, and it's actually nice relaxing stuff
[47:20.620 --> 47:31.620]  But the main purpose I wanted to do is get all this truth news out in line 24 hours of your rule of law
[47:31.620 --> 47:40.620]  And actually when I first started doing this I said, I met Red Backman out at an event in Sturgis, and I said I'd like 20% of the material on my radio
[47:40.620 --> 47:50.620]  To have to do with the local courts and getting people to understand how they can bring due process back
[47:50.620 --> 47:55.620]  And I found you guys by accident, and I'm like, this is great, I mean you guys have everything all together
[47:55.620 --> 47:59.620]  How did you find us, Jeff?
[47:59.620 --> 48:04.620]  Gosh, I don't remember, I was just doing searches about jury information
[48:04.620 --> 48:06.620]  Oh wow, that's great
[48:06.620 --> 48:11.620]  I was looking, I found informedjury.com or something like that
[48:11.620 --> 48:17.620]  And then I just found you guys and I sampled a couple of the shows, and you were just going through that transition
[48:17.620 --> 48:21.620]  Where your older network was going off or something
[48:21.620 --> 48:23.620]  Yes, yes, WTPRI
[48:23.620 --> 48:30.620]  Well last night was a great show, I had Radio Free Oklahoma on, so it was, I'm pretty impressed
[48:30.620 --> 48:35.620]  And speaking of Radio Free Oklahoma, we've got Chris Emery on the line right now
[48:35.620 --> 48:38.620]  Chris, thanks for joining us tonight
[48:38.620 --> 48:41.620]  Hi, yes, thank you Deborah and Chess, thank you
[48:41.620 --> 48:44.620]  I want to give a big shout out for your efforts
[48:44.620 --> 48:49.620]  And we're very appreciative of you carrying the show on your network up there
[48:49.620 --> 48:52.620]  Oh, I need to tell you before I forget
[48:52.620 --> 48:55.620]  There's a gentleman in Norman, Oklahoma that's been calling me
[48:55.620 --> 48:58.620]  My family lives in Dallas, I got to drive back down there
[48:58.620 --> 49:03.620]  I'm going to stop and do a presentation, he wants to put this system up in Norman, Oklahoma
[49:03.620 --> 49:08.620]  Oh, we'd love to, Deb can give you my number off the air during the break
[49:08.620 --> 49:12.620]  And please do call me when you come through, I'd like to at least join you for lunch if it helps
[49:12.620 --> 49:17.620]  Yes, and I mean really, Chess, if you're coming all the way to Dallas, you may as well come to Austin
[49:17.620 --> 49:18.620]  Yeah
[49:18.620 --> 49:20.620]  Come spend a couple of days here
[49:20.620 --> 49:22.620]  That was 18 years
[49:22.620 --> 49:25.620]  You lived in Austin for 18 years, wonderful
[49:25.620 --> 49:28.620]  Well that is Dallas, down right there by White Rock Lake
[49:28.620 --> 49:31.620]  Okay, I used to live in Fort Worth
[49:31.620 --> 49:33.620]  But yeah, no, I'd love to do that
[49:33.620 --> 49:37.620]  And I've just started selling these, I had a guy in Corvallis, Oregon
[49:37.620 --> 49:40.620]  Some calls in Riverside, California
[49:40.620 --> 49:48.620]  And now Alex Jones caught wind of it and he wants to have us get on there and start talking about these too
[49:48.620 --> 49:53.620]  Because everybody's concerned about getting the truth out
[49:53.620 --> 49:59.620]  Yes, and also Chess, we're going to be selling these on your website, on our website as well
[49:59.620 --> 50:02.620]  I'm going to post a link so that people can buy these units
[50:02.620 --> 50:05.620]  But you said Alex who?
[50:05.620 --> 50:12.620]  Yeah, Alex Jones, and he called in, we got graced, he called into Tom Keiley's show the other night
[50:12.620 --> 50:14.620]  Actually I did a rebroadcast of that tonight
[50:14.620 --> 50:16.620]  Yeah, I had that on myself
[50:16.620 --> 50:17.620]  This is great
[50:17.620 --> 50:20.620]  Oh, one more thing, actually the most important thing I almost forgot
[50:20.620 --> 50:23.620]  Everybody wants to know what the range of these are
[50:23.620 --> 50:27.620]  And if you do everything correctly, you ground the thing properly
[50:27.620 --> 50:33.620]  If you're at a 30 foot height, you should expect to have a mile and a half radius
[50:33.620 --> 50:36.620]  And you could get a lot more out of that
[50:36.620 --> 50:41.620]  But if you look on a map in any urban area or even a town
[50:41.620 --> 50:43.620]  I like to use Nebraska City as an example
[50:43.620 --> 50:47.620]  Because Nebraska City is right down the river but they have 10,000 people
[50:47.620 --> 50:49.620]  One transmitter will cover 10,000 people
[50:49.620 --> 50:52.620]  You could go door to door and just tell people to tune in
[50:52.620 --> 50:54.620]  And now you don't have to argue
[50:54.620 --> 50:57.620]  One of the reasons I did this, I was at the barber shop
[50:57.620 --> 50:59.620]  I started talking about taxes and things
[50:59.620 --> 51:02.620]  Everybody was like, okay, get this guy out of here, he's a loony
[51:02.620 --> 51:05.620]  So I got tired of that and I just thought, well, you know what?
[51:05.620 --> 51:11.620]  If we just broadcast this stuff, just like Alan Watts says, we'll be our own predictive programmer
[51:11.620 --> 51:13.620]  And that's the only way to do it
[51:13.620 --> 51:18.620]  But this is a legal way, it's not tough, and it's actually a lot of fun
[51:18.620 --> 51:25.620]  Yes, yeah, and like you said, you don't have to argue with people because the information is coming from somewhere else
[51:25.620 --> 51:27.620]  And it's coming over the airwaves
[51:27.620 --> 51:30.620]  And they can argue back with the radio if they want or call in
[51:30.620 --> 51:33.620]  But yeah, it takes things
[51:33.620 --> 51:35.620]  Go ahead
[51:35.620 --> 51:41.620]  I just go around and say, here, turn to 1640 if you live over here, you know?
[51:41.620 --> 51:46.620]  Yes, and so since the broadcast radius is about a mile and a half
[51:46.620 --> 51:48.620]  You've even gotten up to three miles
[51:48.620 --> 51:59.620]  You said in order to cover a metroplex, you would have to set up some sort of a network of these to cover the whole area
[51:59.620 --> 52:02.620]  Well, yeah, now, it all has to do with the soil conditions
[52:02.620 --> 52:04.620]  But here's what I found
[52:04.620 --> 52:08.620]  You know, I'm going back to Ron Paul because we had all these little meetup groups
[52:08.620 --> 52:15.620]  When I mentioned it in a couple Ron Paul groups, the first thing you get back is I'll help you fund it, I'll donate $25, whatever
[52:15.620 --> 52:17.620]  So when you do this, you're not alone
[52:17.620 --> 52:19.620]  You may be alone when you put the first one up
[52:19.620 --> 52:23.620]  But once you start getting people to listen, what I did was I bought a bunch of books
[52:23.620 --> 52:26.620]  You've heard of American Free Press, right?
[52:26.620 --> 52:27.620]  Oh, yes
[52:27.620 --> 52:32.620]  One of the editors, Pat Shannon, he's a customer of mine with my other business
[52:32.620 --> 52:34.620]  I bought a bunch of books off him
[52:34.620 --> 52:38.620]  I just said, look, this book is $10, you donate $50, you get the book
[52:38.620 --> 52:40.620]  So people were willing to do that, too
[52:40.620 --> 52:49.620]  And that's just, if you can get two or three of these piggybacked, you can really have a substantial coverage area
[52:49.620 --> 52:51.620]  So it pays off in the long run
[52:51.620 --> 52:53.620]  Yeah, this sounds great
[52:53.620 --> 52:56.620]  Do you have to file any forms with the FCC to do this?
[52:56.620 --> 53:00.620]  Or do you just, how do you choose a frequency?
[53:00.620 --> 53:03.620]  Okay, that's something else
[53:03.620 --> 53:09.620]  Okay, every car after 1994 goes up to 1710 now
[53:09.620 --> 53:12.620]  But even older radios from the 1930s went up to 1700
[53:12.620 --> 53:15.620]  They had these, what they called the police band, you could listen
[53:15.620 --> 53:23.620]  Now, the reason I mention that is because above 1610 is the clearest channels
[53:23.620 --> 53:26.620]  That's limited to 5,000 watts in the United States
[53:26.620 --> 53:30.620]  So those, you start there and you just listen at night
[53:30.620 --> 53:35.620]  You make sure there's no local broadcaster on a particular channel and adjacent to that channel
[53:35.620 --> 53:43.620]  If I'm at 1640 and there's somebody at 1650 or 60, I'll start looking for something else
[53:43.620 --> 53:49.620]  You may get lucky and choose something just over 1400 on the dial
[53:49.620 --> 53:57.620]  Below 1400, the antenna is too short in that regulation to be very efficient at all
[53:57.620 --> 54:01.620]  Yes, I'm an electrical engineer
[54:01.620 --> 54:11.620]  And what I remember from electrical engineering as the most complex course was tuning antennas
[54:11.620 --> 54:15.620]  The length of that antenna is very critical
[54:15.620 --> 54:16.620]  Yes
[54:16.620 --> 54:24.620]  Well, what Keith does is he has, unfortunately a lot of electronic components are not manufactured in the United States
[54:24.620 --> 54:29.620]  But he has selected certain types of components, all the competitors use a cheaper version
[54:29.620 --> 54:31.620]  A lot of these come from Germany
[54:31.620 --> 54:37.620]  But the coil he uses, it's a special coil that has these taps for certain frequency ranges
[54:37.620 --> 54:42.620]  And that is the secret, that's why the sound, people listening to my voice in the car
[54:42.620 --> 54:47.620]  I'm extremely crisp and even better than the big commercial stations
[54:47.620 --> 54:50.620]  You throw the cheap gear at the AM side
[54:50.620 --> 54:53.620]  Because of the coil?
[54:53.620 --> 54:59.620]  Well, this is good because of the coil and there's a special vacuum packed capacitor in there too
[54:59.620 --> 55:04.620]  It's not a cheap low plastic air capacitor to tune that antenna properly
[55:04.620 --> 55:10.620]  One more thing though, I have a unit, they're hard to find, you have to call old AM stations
[55:10.620 --> 55:14.620]  They usually have junk in their back room before they throw it away
[55:14.620 --> 55:23.620]  One of the secrets in the SCC allows this, if you fill that modulation envelope completely
[55:23.620 --> 55:31.620]  The peaks of my voice, there's a unit that takes the AM, I'm sorry, there's a unit that takes the audio
[55:31.620 --> 55:38.620]  And on the high treble peaks it boosts the modulation to 120%, it's an old broadcasting standard
[55:38.620 --> 55:41.620]  That will actually give you another quarter mile of range
[55:41.620 --> 55:44.620]  Just by having that audio equipment at the end of the line
[55:44.620 --> 55:51.620]  If you go to my website, liberty1640.com, go to the station equipment page
[55:51.620 --> 55:55.620]  And you'll see that piece of equipment at the top of the rack
[55:55.620 --> 56:01.620]  There's a oscilloscope sitting on top of this rack and it's that piece, it's called the Inovonix 222
[56:01.620 --> 56:04.620]  And that is the most valuable piece of equipment
[56:04.620 --> 56:08.620]  You can buy them new for $800 but you can find them used for $50 to $200
[56:08.620 --> 56:11.620]  And that's something I need to stress
[56:11.620 --> 56:15.620]  That's what makes you sound like a professional
[56:15.620 --> 56:19.620]  And there's a couple competing units that are certified and I've used them
[56:19.620 --> 56:23.620]  And trust me, they do not work, they actually give this whole thing a bad name
[56:23.620 --> 56:29.620]  And I've got one on, my station number 3, the guy's house it's on, he's going to be upset with me
[56:29.620 --> 56:33.620]  But we're going to have to replace that one, it just sounds terrible
[56:33.620 --> 56:42.620]  Oh my goodness, well Chris has been in radio for quite some time working with FM stations
[56:42.620 --> 56:44.620]  So Chris, what do you think about all this?
[56:44.620 --> 56:49.620]  I think it's awesome and the fact that the FCC is going to stay out of your hair just makes it that much easier
[56:49.620 --> 56:56.620]  Now, you have 15 repeater towers within Sioux Falls and Omaha, is that correct, Jess?
[56:56.620 --> 57:04.620]  Well, it's actually five but I've got the next project, I'm putting up three right now, they're going to be microwaved together
[57:04.620 --> 57:11.620]  But I cover at least 30,000 homes right now
[57:11.620 --> 57:18.620]  There's 30,000 homes, I take that back, I estimated 30,000 people that could tune in and hear it
[57:18.620 --> 57:23.620]  During the day, during the night, you get a lot of noise in there
[57:23.620 --> 57:31.620]  Oh and I've also, on my website, I've created a letter, you can deliver it to your neighbors and we're having signs made
[57:31.620 --> 57:39.620]  So anybody who buys the transmitter, I can have your frequency put on the yard sign, you can put it out on the street corner somewhere
[57:39.620 --> 57:40.620]  That's great
[57:40.620 --> 57:45.620]  So we're going to have a whole package, business cards, everything, a turnkey thing
[57:45.620 --> 57:53.620]  I want to let you know, Pat Shannon is actually a very good friend of ours, a good group of us here in Oklahoma, both in Tulsa and Oklahoma City
[57:53.620 --> 57:58.620]  So anything that Pat Shannon believes in, you've heard about tonight, I say that out of seriousness, he's a great guy
[57:58.620 --> 57:59.620]  And I've known him for a long time
[57:59.620 --> 58:00.620]  Oh, an incredible person
[58:00.620 --> 58:01.620]  Yeah
[58:01.620 --> 58:09.620]  Well listen guys, we're going to break, Chris and Chess, would you both hang on to the other side of this break?
[58:09.620 --> 58:10.620]  Sure
[58:10.620 --> 58:15.620]  Okay, excellent, alright, this is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens
[58:15.620 --> 58:22.620]  We're speaking with Chess Kane and Chris Emery, Radio Free Oklahoma and Radio Liberty, 1640 AM
[58:22.620 --> 58:41.620]  We will be right back after this break
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[59:55.620 --> 01:00:19.620]  They came from Jerusalem, they came from Rome They were just looking for some place else to call home
[01:00:19.620 --> 01:00:30.620]  They came from Babylon, they came from Zion They had plenty of money, just enough to get by
[01:00:30.620 --> 01:00:53.620]  They came from the Congo, they came from the Nile I'm talking to the young, I'm talking to the old I'm talking to the one running around hot coal
[01:00:53.620 --> 01:01:10.620]  I'm talking to the young, I'm talking to the old I'm talking to the young, I'm talking to the old
[01:01:10.620 --> 01:01:23.620]  They came from Harvard, they came from Yale Came from the mental health center and the county jail
[01:01:23.620 --> 01:01:34.620]  They've been to Vietnam, they've been to Canada Been to the Persian Gulf and they've been down to Grenada
[01:01:34.620 --> 01:01:41.620]  It's not full of war, there might have been any way to its ashes, to ashes And quick to collect out on the roof straight
[01:01:41.620 --> 01:01:43.620]  I'm looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight I'm looking on the roots straight I'm looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Look at em, look at em Looking on the roots straight Look at em, look at em Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight I'm looking on the roots straight I'm looking on the roots straight Looking on the roots straight Roots go on and on all the nice signs I'm making the laws you look up »,
[01:01:43.620 --> 01:01:57.740]  Looking on the roots straight
[01:01:46.940 --> 01:01:53.820]  Looking on the roots straight Roots go on and on all the nice signs I'm making the laws you look upsung
[01:01:48.740 --> 01:01:51.620]  Looking on the roots straight birlikteichte same thing
[01:01:51.380 --> 01:02:09.120]  People
[01:01:51.620 --> 01:01:45.120]  Look another with them
[01:02:05.620 --> 01:02:09.520]  Repeat
[01:02:07.620 --> 01:02:08.520]  I'm looking on the roots straight
[01:02:08.520 --> 01:02:10.440]  alright
[01:02:10.440 --> 01:02:12.640]  roots trade
[01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:16.480]  we are on the roots trade we all have something to give
[01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:19.080]  we all have something to trade
[01:02:19.080 --> 01:02:23.080]  alright some come with radio stations some come with radio networks some come
[01:02:23.080 --> 01:02:26.920]  with legal information we're putting it all together here
[01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:30.760]  to bring it to our audience and thank you for tuning in
[01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.400]  we are speaking right now with Chris Emory from Radio Free Oklahoma
[01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.840]  and Chess Kane from Radio Liberty 1640 a.m.
[01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:43.560]  okay Chris you wanted to relay a story here
[01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:47.040]  we heard about Chess's great work on the AM
[01:02:47.040 --> 01:02:52.160]  the low-power FM or AM's it was about four weeks ago I guess you were on an analysis show
[01:02:52.160 --> 01:02:55.680]  and it was a rebroadcast on a Sunday evening and a bunch of us here
[01:02:55.680 --> 01:02:59.920]  involved with Radio Free Oklahoma and our friends with low-power FM
[01:02:59.920 --> 01:03:03.600]  we're getting together for a meeting and we're all basically the buzz was how
[01:03:03.600 --> 01:03:06.000]  good how do we get a hold of this guy on the low-power AM's
[01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:10.360]  I was still really I was thrilled that dad was able to contact you
[01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:14.120]  and we're very like I said we're very honored to be on your frequency up there
[01:03:14.120 --> 01:03:17.520]  if there's anything we can do to help you out I could tell you right now
[01:03:17.520 --> 01:03:19.560]  Oklahoma City and Austin would be
[01:03:19.560 --> 01:03:23.000]  I mean it would just take off like you know like a racehorse if you could get
[01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:24.960]  that stuff down here we could get people to
[01:03:24.960 --> 01:03:28.360]  to really work with it so you've got our support a hundred percent
[01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:32.960]  well thank you I know a lot of people in Oklahoma City who I've run into and talked about
[01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:36.360]  talk about these issues and I was surprised
[01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.280]  you know having the Oklahoma City bombing there they're they were really
[01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:42.600]  not understanding much of this a friend of mine actually runs
[01:03:42.600 --> 01:03:45.920]  the I Institute there on the University
[01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:49.840]  sure and but excellent town
[01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.320]  actually it would be a good town to cover because you guys have good soil
[01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:56.760]  again this would work good there so but yeah that one
[01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.200]  thanks for mentioning that I'm glad you heard that because when I called in
[01:04:00.200 --> 01:04:03.880]  I tell you what I just got hundreds of emails
[01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:07.240]  and I even got some criticism too I guess that always happens I was kind of
[01:04:07.240 --> 01:04:08.200]  surprised by that
[01:04:08.200 --> 01:04:13.480]  imagine that you're trying to get the truth out and people criticize you
[01:04:13.480 --> 01:04:14.480]  why is that
[01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:18.600]  can I make one more important point on this?
[01:04:18.600 --> 01:04:22.120]  of course please go ahead you have all the time you want well there's
[01:04:22.120 --> 01:04:26.360]  there's a device that goes that kind of works hand-in-hand
[01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:29.840]  a lot of people wonder if I put up a second radio
[01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:33.400]  how do I get them to speak to each other you can't use microwaves all the time
[01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.520]  a microwave is actually kind of expensive
[01:04:36.520 --> 01:04:40.720]  this little device Keith Hamilton introduced to me it's called the Barracks
[01:04:40.720 --> 01:04:43.720]  X-Treamer it's made in Switzerland but really
[01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:47.440]  a key feature of this let's say that somebody let's say
[01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.720]  you like my programming or you did your
[01:04:50.720 --> 01:04:54.040]  you bought a radio and you put your own studio together and put together your own
[01:04:54.040 --> 01:04:54.680]  programming
[01:04:54.680 --> 01:04:57.920]  let's say you had an elderly relative like I do in Omaha
[01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:01.000]  and you wanted them to hear
[01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.400]  this but they you didn't have a transmitter that covered their house
[01:05:04.400 --> 01:05:08.840]  number one and number two they don't know how to operate a computer
[01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:12.000]  well there's this little device called the Barracks X-Treamer
[01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:16.640]  and if they had cable TV you just upgrade them to
[01:05:16.640 --> 01:05:19.680]  a cable modem this unit just plugs right in
[01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:23.120]  you already have the IP address of your audio into this unit
[01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:27.600]  and it automatically pulls the stream off they can plug it into a radio or a
[01:05:27.600 --> 01:05:28.520]  stereo or
[01:05:28.520 --> 01:05:32.160]  that's incredible that is incredible now can
[01:05:32.160 --> 01:05:36.440]  can somebody program in their own IP address into these things like
[01:05:36.440 --> 01:05:40.440]  to choose whatever stream they want yeah like
[01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:43.600]  your show Rue of La radio if you have a
[01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:47.920]  you know when you click on that Windows media button yes and obviously that's an IP address
[01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:52.360]  you don't see it when I click that but you can program that into this device
[01:05:52.360 --> 01:05:56.320]  and it'll if the power goes out when the power comes back on it automatically goes
[01:05:56.320 --> 01:06:00.120]  pulls it again and how and do you make these units
[01:06:00.120 --> 01:06:04.400]  chest well I'm selling them with the transmitters because I figured
[01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:09.000]  a lot of people work nine to five I mean I work out of the house I'm always here
[01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:13.320]  but they're not going to be able to put together a studio and a program so I'm
[01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:14.280]  offering my
[01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:17.880]  stream I'm going to have to get another computer that doesn't have my
[01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:22.560]  comments and commercials because I'm doing some local related Omaha and Sioux Falls
[01:06:22.560 --> 01:06:23.240]  commercials
[01:06:23.240 --> 01:06:26.640]  and then they'll just get the full streams 24-7
[01:06:26.640 --> 01:06:31.920]  that they can rebroadcast so this unit was designed for radio stations that
[01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:36.120]  didn't want to pay for the remember those old telephone lines that had to be
[01:06:36.120 --> 01:06:36.720]  open
[01:06:36.720 --> 01:06:40.520]  all the time yes yeah this this is a workaround
[01:06:40.520 --> 01:06:45.200]  and it also they have a new unit that you can actually send back to signaling
[01:06:45.200 --> 01:06:50.240]  lines that you can actually read modulation and things that nature
[01:06:50.240 --> 01:06:54.240]  and now I'm working with them the microwave a man that built these
[01:06:54.240 --> 01:06:56.320]  microwaves are home-built out of Iowa
[01:06:56.320 --> 01:06:59.840]  if you don't mind could I give out his west of course of course
[01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:03.880]  it's a he's gonna be thrilled with this because I didn't tell me this stuff
[01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:07.360]  it's a Prairie Tech dot US but
[01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.160]  he's a ham operator he builds he's he has seven years
[01:07:11.160 --> 01:07:15.040]  of zero problems with these units it's a again Prairie
[01:07:15.040 --> 01:07:19.760]  Tech PRAIRIETECH.US
[01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:24.000]  and he can help
[01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:27.200]  you get other stations together
[01:07:27.200 --> 01:07:30.960]  microwaving is the best because you can synchronize them and there's no
[01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:35.080]  delay problems or echo but the barracks unit that I was talking about
[01:07:35.080 --> 01:07:40.280]  you can also adjust the delay so you can get rid of the echo too and that's what we do here in Sioux Falls
[01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:43.800]  so I just wanted to make that final point
[01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.320]  if you got any questions I'd be glad to answer them and Chris
[01:07:47.320 --> 01:07:51.600]  your show is great because I was listening yesterday
[01:07:51.600 --> 01:07:56.040]  even though it's called Radio Free Oklahoma
[01:07:56.040 --> 01:07:59.480]  it actually mirrors all the problems that everybody has in these
[01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:02.680]  you know we're 150,000 population in Sioux Falls South Dakota
[01:08:02.680 --> 01:08:07.600]  right and it's really a sleepy town and people don't know what to do and actually
[01:08:07.600 --> 01:08:11.120]  I'm watching right now things becoming federalized here
[01:08:11.120 --> 01:08:15.000]  but if you talk about it and there's only five of you you'll look like a fool
[01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:19.000]  so I'm trying I'm learning from you guys more than anything
[01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:23.160]  door swings both ways when you come through and Deb please give him my number
[01:08:23.160 --> 01:08:26.440]  of course I would like to have lunch with you we'll sit down and
[01:08:26.440 --> 01:08:30.120]  we'd like to be support for you guys so keep up the good work
[01:08:30.120 --> 01:08:34.120]  Ches we're really proud of what you're doing well thanks and appreciate all the hard work you
[01:08:34.120 --> 01:08:35.400]  guys put in there
[01:08:35.400 --> 01:08:38.560]  thank you and you know as long as we get the word spread out
[01:08:38.560 --> 01:08:43.760]  Deb has done a fantastic job and Randy and Wes and everybody can attest to that
[01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:48.240]  I can't even hold a candle I wouldn't even imagine doing half the stuff she does
[01:08:48.240 --> 01:08:52.040]  behind the scenes so you guys go ahead and have a good show I'm gonna
[01:08:52.040 --> 01:08:56.400]  just take off for now and I look forward to meeting you so
[01:08:56.400 --> 01:08:59.760]  we'll keep in touch thank you we'll call you definitely
[01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:04.800]  alright thanks Chris thanks for calling in that was Chris Emory from Radio Free Oklahoma
[01:09:04.800 --> 01:09:10.160]  and if you would please check out his last two archives on ruleoflawradio.com
[01:09:10.160 --> 01:09:15.680]  boy last night was just a home run show for those guys I mean they
[01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.480]  they broadcast live from Bookbeat in Oklahoma City where
[01:09:19.480 --> 01:09:24.280]  Sander Hicks who's premier researcher and author on 9-11 truth
[01:09:24.280 --> 01:09:30.040]  was speaking and they had a mic set up for Sander and and they were passing the mic
[01:09:30.040 --> 01:09:32.840]  around when the audience would ask questions
[01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:37.320]  of Sander and all these kinds of things and it was just absolutely a fantastic
[01:09:37.320 --> 01:09:41.160]  broadcast and they had a great time I was having a great time producing them
[01:09:41.160 --> 01:09:47.720]  Jack Blood came on and last Friday they broadcast from a meetup a training
[01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:53.960]  firearms and survival training meetup it was a family gathering of people would
[01:09:53.960 --> 01:09:59.440]  bring their kids and and teach the youth responsible firearm habits and all these
[01:09:59.440 --> 01:10:06.720]  kinds of things so how to help with medical training how to how to you know
[01:10:06.720 --> 01:10:11.240]  take care of wounds and and all these kinds of things that the guy John Girard
[01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:16.280]  is a nurse who was hosting this so both of those archives were just absolute
[01:10:16.280 --> 01:10:21.520]  slam-dunk so I highly recommend checking out those archives and Chess we really
[01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:26.960]  appreciate everything you're doing and and yes I mean a lot of people listening
[01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:33.360]  may not realize just how much work goes into putting us putting all of us on the
[01:10:33.360 --> 01:10:38.360]  air you know I've been working every single minute of my life for for months
[01:10:38.360 --> 01:10:42.720]  setting up a new proper radio broadcasting equipment to transition out
[01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:47.440]  of running this thing out of my recording studio and and chess is out
[01:10:47.440 --> 01:10:51.080]  there hiking around in the snow setting up
[01:10:51.080 --> 01:10:55.920]  towers and putting limiters and compressors and stuff so so yeah we you
[01:10:55.920 --> 01:11:00.240]  know the level of dedication for all these people involved is is extremely
[01:11:00.240 --> 01:11:03.800]  high and Randy of course as well so chess we really do appreciate everything
[01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:06.760]  you're doing I'm highly intrigued by the AM thing really because I've never
[01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:12.960]  really been that much into AM but there's a I think Air America is on AM
[01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:17.880]  and so yeah we need to branch out into the AM realm and I'm thinking about
[01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:21.840]  putting one of these up myself okay can I tell you one more quick story about
[01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:27.720]  results I've had of course go ahead another guy caught wind here locally
[01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:32.920]  what I'm doing it and it turned out I happen to know he was he was this guy is
[01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:37.640]  famous around town for civil disobedience and and that term I didn't
[01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:41.080]  really realize its importance until I of course I heard Ron Paul talk about and I
[01:11:41.080 --> 01:11:46.080]  started researching myself and well this this man because of his civil
[01:11:46.080 --> 01:11:50.440]  disobedience on television he got the attention of Russell Means now have you
[01:11:50.440 --> 01:11:55.120]  heard of Russell Means no tell us who that is he's a well he's a well-known
[01:11:55.120 --> 01:12:00.960]  leader of the Native American movement out here of Lakota nation Russell means
[01:12:00.960 --> 01:12:06.520]  yes okay yeah I've heard of him I've been he's an actor you if you saw him on
[01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:10.080]  TV you know yes yeah I've been so busy setting up equipment I have to get the
[01:12:10.080 --> 01:12:15.240]  news from my own network I met him I didn't tell him what I was doing at the
[01:12:15.240 --> 01:12:19.600]  time but I met him at this the event we had in Sturgis that freedom movement
[01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:24.440]  that the granny warriors put on and was out there and a bunch of others and
[01:12:24.440 --> 01:12:31.360]  and then lo and behold this he was on Alex Jones a couple of days ago or so
[01:12:31.360 --> 01:12:38.880]  and the guy that wants to work a two o'clock show on my station here he
[01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:44.120]  called Russell means after that show and he says look could I call you once a
[01:12:44.120 --> 01:12:47.880]  week for a one-hour interview we'll put you on the system so now we've got
[01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:54.720]  Russell means tapped into this just from someone hearing about it and it's quite
[01:12:54.720 --> 01:12:57.880]  incredible I never thought I'd be in contact with these people that have done
[01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:02.360]  so much you know so many good things for the freedom movement so that's what you
[01:13:02.360 --> 01:13:05.680]  had to look for if someone listening to me and I think you cover Madison
[01:13:05.680 --> 01:13:09.620]  Wisconsin is that right yes we're in Matt we're on the air in Madison
[01:13:09.620 --> 01:13:17.120]  Wisconsin FM and Durant Oklahoma Oklahoma City Tulsa and one other city
[01:13:17.120 --> 01:13:22.160]  in Oklahoma and also Austin and that's just what we know of yeah there may be
[01:13:22.160 --> 01:13:29.360]  somebody in let's say Norfolk Nebraska listening on a podcast yes or somewhere
[01:13:29.360 --> 01:13:34.040]  north of Minneapolis and now they they can do this in the community will take
[01:13:34.040 --> 01:13:37.400]  note in an important people will come out of the woodwork that's what I've
[01:13:37.400 --> 01:13:42.600]  noticed and I've already been asked to to you know talk to people at this these
[01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:48.280]  monthly dinners there's a big group in Omaha that the one man helped me fund
[01:13:48.280 --> 01:13:52.040]  this to put it on his house there and it's actually second seventy-second
[01:13:52.040 --> 01:14:00.200]  blonde though a three mile radius now we got him on and it's quite exciting so
[01:14:00.200 --> 01:14:03.480]  one thing leads to another with this it's not like you're just sticking an
[01:14:03.480 --> 01:14:06.840]  antenna up there and then sitting there wondering if anybody's listening if you
[01:14:06.840 --> 01:14:11.880]  get out and start talking to people it'll take its course and you'll find
[01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:16.800]  yourself quite busy I've had to put my other stuff on the background I'll bet
[01:14:16.800 --> 01:14:20.480]  I'll bet well chess we've got a couple of minutes left before the break could
[01:14:20.480 --> 01:14:26.240]  you please go ahead and give out all the websites that you mentioned before and
[01:14:26.240 --> 01:14:32.400]  and how people could contact you to purchase one of these units or the the
[01:14:32.400 --> 01:14:36.920]  little mini stream puller like you were talking about where you just put program
[01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:41.600]  in the IP address and you get the audio and and just go ahead and and just give
[01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:46.160]  us all of your contact information that you have so that our listeners can write
[01:14:46.160 --> 01:14:51.320]  that down again well okay first off I have an 800 number I use for my other
[01:14:51.320 --> 01:14:55.520]  business I sell Amazon organic fertilizers that's my main business but
[01:14:55.520 --> 01:15:04.040]  and am Trent or the the web or the phone number I'm sorry is 800-579-0580
[01:15:04.040 --> 01:15:11.280]  again 1-800-579-0580 though the my radio station website that I did put together
[01:15:11.280 --> 01:15:19.120]  kind of quickly it's Liberty1640.com or www.Liberty1640.com and then to
[01:15:19.120 --> 01:15:23.720]  find the information about I wanted to try to keep them separate I'm going to
[01:15:23.720 --> 01:15:29.480]  put a new URL up but if you go to Liberty1640.com and you go to the
[01:15:29.480 --> 01:15:35.920]  very bottom of the the main page and it's also on other pages but the very
[01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:39.120]  bottom of the main page will say if you like our station please drop a line and
[01:15:39.120 --> 01:15:43.520]  consider adding one of the transmitters to your site you click on that it goes
[01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:49.960]  to Liberty1640.com forward slash AM part 15 transmitter that's the main page that
[01:15:49.960 --> 01:15:55.080]  starts talking about it has plenty of photographs of starting your own or you
[01:15:55.080 --> 01:15:59.560]  can just do a Google search AM transmitter initiative and what about
[01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:04.120]  what about your friend with a ham radio with the part of the guy that makes the
[01:16:04.120 --> 01:16:09.240]  well if you want more information on the legal stuff all you got to do is that
[01:16:09.240 --> 01:16:14.760]  Google search Hamilton range master transmitter wonderful and he's he's my
[01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:19.120]  friend of mine we're actually working on some designs to improve this not to
[01:16:19.120 --> 01:16:22.600]  mention a television transmitter that meets part 15 when everything goes
[01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:26.120]  digital there's white space we're going to fill that that's up on the in the
[01:16:26.120 --> 01:16:31.880]  future excellent last prairie tech dot us is the microwave people excellent all
[01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:35.920]  right we're going to break thank you so much for joining us chess well thank you
[01:16:35.920 --> 01:16:38.960]  thanks for the opportunity all right we'll be right back and we'll talk soon
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[01:19:38.520 --> 01:20:06.520]  all right this is the rule of law on rule of law radio I'm Debra Stevens Randy Kelton we're here with Chess Kane he's staying over into this segment to talk about some other things he's going to be a sponsor we're going to sell his transmitters through our website so we will have links set up for that very soon in the mean time you could go to our website at ruleoflaw.com
[01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:35.520]  in the mean time you could go to his website and just please mention that you heard about him on our show or our radio network as it were and also there's his fertilizer I'm sorry to help this transmitter business grow he has a special fertilizer yes Chess deals with organic farming and so Chess you're going to also be a sponsor to promote your product
[01:20:35.520 --> 01:21:04.520]  of organic fertilizer because we've been hearing a lot on the air on commercials of various different networks and radio stations about people selling seeds heirloom seeds you know to get around all the GMO you know nightmare here that we have and it's getting to the point where finding seeds that are not GMO it's becoming quite scarce but people need proper fertilizer to grow them so please give us a little bit of information
[01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:33.520]  about that well yeah and I won't name any company names but most of these fertilizers are all owned by they all go up to one company the ones you buy at Kmart or whatever local stores you have you can name names if you want well I'll just say one you can do your own research but Miracle Grow and Scott find out who owns those two companies but there's nothing in there that's beneficial for your body
[01:21:33.520 --> 01:22:02.520]  and I just got done reading half the book it's a square foot gardener and the thing about that book he said look if you buy perfect soil you'll have wonderful plants well our product it's called agrand agrand and the website is liquidorganicfertilizer.com that's an easy one to remember but that we have a product in there that even if you had the ideal soil you could still have insects in there
[01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:24.520]  we still have insect problems with say tomatoes or cabbage and we have a sulfate potash foliar spray it's certified organic in the state of Washington which everybody it's good enough for most people that product will thicken the cell walls add a little bit of sulfur in it it prevents a significant amount of pest problems
[01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:53.520]  now yesterday I just got off the phone with a farmer in Florida he's an orangegrove 1400 orange trees and just like other farmers I've been talking to the current cost of chemical fertilizers one more year at their prices are going to wipe out tons of farmers and even though organic seems an expensive word believe it or not the fertilizers actually cost a fraction of what chemical fertilizers cost
[01:22:53.520 --> 01:23:03.520]  then why is organic so expensive if the fertilizers cost a fraction of the other of the chemical fertilizers
[01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:28.520]  well actually most of the people I've been dealing with are small gardeners and lawn care companies but most of my income comes from hay farmers because there's just no sense in paying $700 or $100 to $500 an acre for fertilizer for those guys but it has to do with just getting the product to market and some regulations
[01:23:28.520 --> 01:23:37.520]  I'm not 100% sure on that but the I mean our product does say actually we're getting attention of non-organic farms that's who actually use our product
[01:23:37.520 --> 01:23:59.520]  when you raise organics you feed a lot more you sacrifice a lot more back to the world and the insects and everything else so you have more loss in organics and you don't have quite the massive yield because you don't put the really obnoxious chemicals on there that causes the massive yield
[01:23:59.520 --> 01:24:08.520]  you have to deal with what nature gave us and that's a lot of the reason that organics are so much more expensive
[01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:30.520]  yeah makes sense yeah now one thing that we advertise is the fact that if you put the nutrients you bring the microbial activity back to the soil then mulching can start taking place the earthworms come back and those processes when they come back it actually your crops are more drought resistant
[01:24:30.520 --> 01:24:44.520]  they're more they're less insect prone I actually be honest I learned a lot of this when I was living in Dallas I bought a bunch of books by Garrett
[01:24:44.520 --> 01:25:08.520]  you've heard of what's his website the dirt doctor have you ever heard of that name yes yes he's actually on the air in Austin now but he he's kind of the father of organic chemistries in this age and then I started applying the suggestions with our product and with tomatoes and things like that you could actually get better yields
[01:25:08.520 --> 01:25:29.520]  if you feed them foliarly and you have the pH is right it just it takes more time and more concentration more you have to pay more attention yeah you've got to have more patience yeah right
[01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:53.520]  you can't just go out there and throw a lot of chemicals at it and then go back to the house right yeah yeah you got to take care of the soil but the products work it's really what we used before World War II our main product is actually a manhaden fish that comes from the Gulf Coast and off the coast of New Jersey and then they use ice and kelp for the protein for the rest of the nutrients
[01:25:53.520 --> 01:26:16.520]  and it's a low nitrogen the founder of the company started the product because he lives up in Duluth and he's a fisherman he got tired of the green rivers and green lakes in August and he thought well if I could lower the nitrogen in the plant still you know you chelate the nitrogen in the soil the plant can still get what it needs without running off
[01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:26.520]  and I think I'll have something and it's been out for about 10 years and we get we get a lot of feedback a lot of testimonials and success.
[01:26:26.520 --> 01:26:34.520]  Kelation breaks down the surface tension causes it to saturate better.
[01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:51.520]  Now Ches I hope some of your products will do something about cutworms because I'll tell you those things are a thorn in my side they're horrible I mean they will destroy everything flowers I mean gardens everything I mean and in order to deal with with cutworms in an organic manner is very difficult
[01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:56.520]  I mean have to go out there and coat everything with diatomaceous earth and it's just oh my god.
[01:26:56.520 --> 01:27:19.520]  I use that product too on things like pumpkins and things of that nature these weevils are very difficult to control but if you catch them early I actually I recommend Garrett's books because he talks a lot about a lot of supplemental products that you use with your organic chemistries to battle those type of things.
[01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.520]  That's great.
[01:27:21.520 --> 01:27:40.520]  So how can I was just going to say okay we are going to be posting links of how to order these products all of your products that you know your fertilizers and and anti insects insecticides for organic farming etc and your transmitters.
[01:27:40.520 --> 01:27:52.520]  Give out a website of how people could order some of your organic fertilizer right now and then of course listeners please let Ches know that you heard it here.
[01:27:52.520 --> 01:28:18.520]  Well the main site is liquidorganicfertilizer.com and on the website you can either call me directly to order but if you're a commercial farmer or something like that we actually have different pricing so we set you up and I can I can email the pricing to anybody who contacts me but that same number 800-579-0580 that's my main business line.
[01:28:18.520 --> 01:28:20.520]  Excellent.
[01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.520]  I can I can just help anybody from there that way.
[01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:25.520]  Well Ches you certainly are a busy man.
[01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:36.520]  You're doing organic farming, developing organic fertilizers, you're setting up low power AM's everywhere and building things and out drapes in the snow setting up transmitters.
[01:28:36.520 --> 01:28:38.520]  This is excellent.
[01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:41.520]  We need more people like Ches for sure.
[01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:52.520]  Well thank you and I have fun doing all that and but we need the brains like you guys to have the knowledge to help us you know defend our nation or our cities.
[01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:56.520]  I mean it's just it's scary what's going on I just thought I've got to do something.
[01:28:56.520 --> 01:28:58.520]  I was in the National Guard and there's only so much you could do.
[01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:08.520]  I was in the Texas Guard as a matter of fact but you know you're taking orders there you can't take your own initiative and do much and I've always wanted to do more than what I could do that way.
[01:29:08.520 --> 01:29:09.520]  Right.
[01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:16.520]  And and so I found I finally found the right thing and I hope everybody else finds something like that too that they're comfortable with.
[01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:17.520]  Excellent.
[01:29:17.520 --> 01:29:20.520]  Well Ches thanks for taking the lead with the low power AM's.
[01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:22.520]  This is the first I've ever heard of anything like this.
[01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:25.520]  You don't need to apply to the FCC.
[01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:30.520]  You just follow the regulations and set it up and get it going.
[01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:32.520]  All right Ches listen we're going to break.
[01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:39.520]  I want to thank you again very much for joining us tonight and we'll be setting up stuff on our website for you soon.
[01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:40.520]  Well thank you.
[01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:41.520]  Thanks for having me.
[01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:42.520]  Thank you.
[01:29:42.520 --> 01:29:43.520]  We'll be right back.
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[01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:13.520]  Everybody come and say the story.
[01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.520]  They use the vote machine and then rob the world.
[01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:19.520]  I put a little bush till the election can be.
[01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.520]  I see what happened in the Ohio State you see.
[01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:26.520]  Them ganga used to hack us and gone happy.
[01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.520]  Two ladies get a real referee.
[01:31:29.520 --> 01:31:32.520]  Now three years later them a tell me.
[01:31:32.520 --> 01:31:35.520]  Now four years bush get free from the country.
[01:31:35.520 --> 01:31:39.520]  They use the vote machine and then rob the world.
[01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:42.520]  I put a little bush till the election can be.
[01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.520]  They use the vote machine and then rob the world.
[01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:48.520]  I put a little bush till the election can be.
[01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:51.520]  They use the vote machine and then rob the world.
[01:31:51.520 --> 01:31:55.520]  Paper ballots, just like our wallets, we've always gotta see them.
[01:31:55.520 --> 01:31:58.520]  So we can get our freedom.
[01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:17.520]  Count them one by one by one Then we watch the criminal run, run, run
[01:32:17.520 --> 01:32:30.520]  Thirty boat machines away, away, away Thirty boat machines away, away, away
[01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:33.520]  Thirty boat machines away
[01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:36.520]  I'm here to guard Washington in my own paper
[01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:39.520]  Use some college kids to counter cluster
[01:32:39.520 --> 01:32:42.520]  In public view, they want the answer
[01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:46.520]  The two elections we want round ya
[01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:49.520]  So the people could see who they vote for, sir
[01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:52.520]  Who knew the computer rubbed around ya
[01:32:52.520 --> 01:32:55.520]  Don't know we have a protocol to fix the reason
[01:32:55.520 --> 01:32:59.520]  Tell you all of them, so we don't give them excuses
[01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:05.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:33:05.520 --> 01:33:11.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:33:11.520 --> 01:33:18.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:23.520]  Now that you know, you gotta show
[01:33:23.520 --> 01:33:29.520]  Chain of custody, so we can keep our liberty
[01:33:29.520 --> 01:33:37.520]  Don't be shallow, simply follow rule of law
[01:33:37.520 --> 01:33:43.520]  Some patriots can't stand tall, and this free republic won't fall
[01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:49.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:56.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:33:56.520 --> 01:34:00.520]  Oh dear Lord, we go back election, go for the election
[01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:05.520]  Mr. Dupond, the line, go with them computer in hand
[01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:08.520]  And some hackers to rob everyone
[01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.520]  But vote for still, me say, come along
[01:34:11.520 --> 01:34:14.520]  Here for vote, me say, here in your hand
[01:34:14.520 --> 01:34:17.520]  Here for vote, come teach ya man
[01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:21.520]  Tell you all of them want for your election
[01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:27.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:33.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:41.520]  Away, away, throw the boat machine away
[01:34:41.520 --> 01:34:47.520]  Kick the boat machines away, throw them away, kick them away
[01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:55.520]  And speaking of boat machines and election reform, we have Mark Adams up on the line with us
[01:34:55.520 --> 01:35:00.520]  Mark, thanks for joining us tonight, thank you for holding while we're speaking to our other guests
[01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:07.520]  Oh, no problem, I was just basically listening to the show, I was having some problems getting the feed, so I called in
[01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:12.520]  You were having problems getting the feed? Oh no, it may be your internet connection
[01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:16.520]  It looks like we got quite a number of listeners listening to the feed right now, so
[01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:19.520]  Yeah, you know, the NSA wants to keep me in the dark
[01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:23.520]  Yeah, I'm sure they do
[01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.520]  So Mark, what do you have for us tonight?
[01:35:26.520 --> 01:35:34.520]  Well, you know, very, very interesting show, I mean, like Jet was saying, you know, people
[01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:39.520]  You know, they might want to argue with you about stuff if you're talking to them face to face
[01:35:39.520 --> 01:35:46.520]  Or they just won't want to discuss things because they'll be afraid that people will look at them like conspiracy theorists
[01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:53.520]  But if they hear it on the radio and they hear it discussed, like you do, you and Randy do on the Rule of Law show
[01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:57.520]  Then they start understanding, wow, you know, this is what's going on out there
[01:35:57.520 --> 01:36:03.520]  Yeah, it raises the level of legitimacy, it's not just people talking on the street
[01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:07.520]  Which we do need to do, we've got to talk to our neighbors and friends about these things
[01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:15.520]  But to have radio shows like this gives them something to point to in the media because everybody who's asleep is always like
[01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:19.520]  Well, they didn't say that on the TV
[01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:28.520]  Well, a lot of it is you have people, you're giving them such new information and such surprising information
[01:36:28.520 --> 01:36:31.520]  That people don't like to feel like a deer in the headlights
[01:36:31.520 --> 01:36:36.520]  Yeah, and they also don't give it any credence if it's not on the TV
[01:36:36.520 --> 01:36:40.520]  And if they, you know, if I've got to be a deer in the headlights
[01:36:40.520 --> 01:36:45.520]  I want to be a deer in the headlights when nobody's looking at me
[01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:51.520]  So I can sit here and listen to this a couple of times and then I kind of understand it, now I can talk about it
[01:36:51.520 --> 01:36:53.520]  Yeah, that's a good point
[01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:58.520]  Well, and the song, there was a great song you had there coming out of the break
[01:36:58.520 --> 01:37:03.520]  Because the voting machines, I mean, people don't think about it for the most part
[01:37:03.520 --> 01:37:07.520]  Because, you know, I've gotten several hundred affidavits signed by voters
[01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:12.520]  You know, I've personally asked them to sign affidavits testifying to how they voted
[01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:20.520]  And the majority of the people do not realize that your votes are being counted in secret
[01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:25.520]  Until you point out to them, hey, can you see a computer count?
[01:37:25.520 --> 01:37:28.520]  And they go, well, no
[01:37:28.520 --> 01:37:31.520]  How many fingers does a computer have?
[01:37:31.520 --> 01:37:34.520]  Right, no one can see the computer count
[01:37:34.520 --> 01:37:40.520]  Mark, that reminds me, I think I said this on the air a week or so ago
[01:37:40.520 --> 01:37:43.520]  Talking about the secret counting of the votes
[01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:48.520]  And how some of these idiots, they said, well, it's not counting in secret
[01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:54.520]  Look, the central tabulator's sitting right in the middle of the floor where everybody can see it
[01:37:54.520 --> 01:38:00.520]  It's like, okay, I can see the computer but I don't know what it's doing
[01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:01.520]  Right
[01:38:01.520 --> 01:38:02.520]  Hello
[01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:09.520]  I always go, do you have a magic potion that allows you to see inside there and see how the computer's working?
[01:38:09.520 --> 01:38:12.520]  I want to see those bits and bytes
[01:38:12.520 --> 01:38:13.520]  Right
[01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:15.520]  I want to count them myself
[01:38:15.520 --> 01:38:21.520]  Well, you know, when I talked to the Virginia Board of Election staff attorney, they tried that stuff too
[01:38:21.520 --> 01:38:25.520]  Well, the machine's sitting right there in the middle of the room
[01:38:25.520 --> 01:38:28.520]  I'm like, so?
[01:38:28.520 --> 01:38:32.520]  It doesn't really matter where it is
[01:38:32.520 --> 01:38:36.520]  It matters that we can't follow the chain of custody
[01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:40.520]  It's completely, you know, we need complete transparency here
[01:38:40.520 --> 01:38:43.520]  Well, you just have to have faith, Deborah. No one would steal elections
[01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:45.520]  Oh, oh, oh, I just have to have faith
[01:38:45.520 --> 01:38:48.520]  They wouldn't do anything like that
[01:38:48.520 --> 01:38:50.520]  They wouldn't steal them again
[01:38:50.520 --> 01:38:52.520]  Not a politician
[01:38:52.520 --> 01:38:53.520]  Now, look, wait a minute, wait a minute
[01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:58.520]  We have an attorney disparaging a politician
[01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:00.520]  Oh, that's right, he's a disbarred attorney
[01:39:00.520 --> 01:39:04.520]  So that makes his word credible
[01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:08.520]  Especially since I'm an especially, especially disbarred attorney
[01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:14.520]  I'm an attorney disbarred without any justice of the Florida Supreme Court's name on the order
[01:39:14.520 --> 01:39:17.520]  Yeah, he's a quasi-disbarred attorney
[01:39:17.520 --> 01:39:19.520]  They can't even get that right
[01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:20.520]  Right
[01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:24.520]  I don't think they wanted to show the file to any of the justices
[01:39:24.520 --> 01:39:29.520]  because the bags of cash that would have been necessary at that point in time would have been too big
[01:39:29.520 --> 01:39:32.520]  So they just went with the bag of cash to the clerk
[01:39:32.520 --> 01:39:35.520]  Well, things are cooking here in Texas
[01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:36.520]  Right
[01:39:36.520 --> 01:39:39.520]  You know, I have a video up on the Internet
[01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:43.520]  that if anyone wants to Google justice in Florida's Supreme Court
[01:39:43.520 --> 01:39:45.520]  you'll see the video
[01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:48.520]  and a deputy clerk is actually admitting on the video
[01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:54.520]  that the clerk enters orders without the justices ever seeing files
[01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:56.520]  And of course, that's a felony
[01:39:56.520 --> 01:40:01.520]  Oh, yes, Tony Davis has been talking about the clerk who committed suicide
[01:40:01.520 --> 01:40:07.520]  because after however many years, this Fifth Circuit federal judge
[01:40:07.520 --> 01:40:09.520]  he just stamped everything denied
[01:40:09.520 --> 01:40:13.520]  or no, he instructed the clerk to stamp everything denied
[01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.520]  that was submitted by a pro se litigant without ever reading them
[01:40:17.520 --> 01:40:19.520]  Yeah, which is just outrageous
[01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:22.520]  I mean, that's depriving every one of those pro se litigants
[01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:27.520]  And the guy committed suicide over it because he was so distraught
[01:40:27.520 --> 01:40:32.520]  that he had participated in taking away so many people's liberties
[01:40:32.520 --> 01:40:37.520]  And when the police came to investigate, the judge hid the suicide note
[01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:40.520]  Oh, that's right, that's right
[01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:44.520]  And it took the police an hour and a half to squeeze it out of him
[01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:47.520]  Oh, my God, and the guy's still on the bench
[01:40:47.520 --> 01:40:49.520]  Things are getting better
[01:40:49.520 --> 01:40:53.520]  Tony is really going after the federal judges on this particular issue
[01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:54.520]  Oh, yeah
[01:40:54.520 --> 01:41:01.520]  He has the video that someone sent me of the judges' conference
[01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:06.520]  where the federal appeals court judge is telling the trial judges
[01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:13.520]  if you screw pro se litigants, we will uphold your rulings
[01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:15.520]  And he's using that on them
[01:41:15.520 --> 01:41:16.520]  Video of that?
[01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:17.520]  Yes
[01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:23.520]  Man, that alone, just saying that is a crime
[01:41:23.520 --> 01:41:26.520]  Well, he didn't say it that way, but that was the crux of it
[01:41:26.520 --> 01:41:31.520]  If you rule against pro se litigants, we'll uphold your rulings
[01:41:31.520 --> 01:41:34.520]  Yeah, I mean, he's saying I'm going to engage in a conspiracy
[01:41:34.520 --> 01:41:37.520]  to deny these people's rights under color law
[01:41:37.520 --> 01:41:41.520]  Yes, and Tony is really going after them for that
[01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:46.520]  I'm having good success here in Texas
[01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:50.520]  Day before yesterday, I was in McLennan County in Waco
[01:41:50.520 --> 01:41:54.520]  and had a great time at the clerk
[01:41:54.520 --> 01:41:58.520]  I took security with me to the clerk
[01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:01.520]  because we tried to file a motion there
[01:42:01.520 --> 01:42:06.520]  and had this woman file a motion, and the clerk wouldn't take it
[01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:09.520]  So I told security, I need you to come with me
[01:42:09.520 --> 01:42:11.520]  because we're going to try to file this motion
[01:42:11.520 --> 01:42:13.520]  and the clerk's not going to want to take it
[01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:16.520]  and I'm going to want you to arrest the clerk
[01:42:16.520 --> 01:42:22.520]  Well, they got about ten guys and brought in their lieutenant
[01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:28.520]  I guess they went and got Lieutenant Perry, he's going to straighten us all out
[01:42:28.520 --> 01:42:31.520]  And somebody agreed
[01:42:31.520 --> 01:42:36.520]  He came in and he said, what seems to be your problem here?
[01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:38.520]  Well, we don't have a problem yet, but we're about to
[01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:39.520]  I need you to come with me
[01:42:39.520 --> 01:42:41.520]  We're about to
[01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:45.520]  And I go over to the clerk and try to file this motion
[01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:49.520]  She wants us to file a new cause
[01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:51.520]  Let me explain what happened
[01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:58.520]  We talked before about this woman in Waco gets a knock on her door
[01:42:58.520 --> 01:43:02.520]  with a process server serving her an eviction notice
[01:43:02.520 --> 01:43:03.520]  Oh yeah, yeah
[01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:08.520]  Because her house had been foreclosed on, she knew nothing about it
[01:43:08.520 --> 01:43:10.520]  It was foreclosed on in the district court
[01:43:10.520 --> 01:43:15.520]  And once the foreclosure was completed, it went to the JP court to do the eviction
[01:43:15.520 --> 01:43:18.520]  She didn't know anything about the foreclosure
[01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:21.520]  So through connections they got a hold of me
[01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:24.520]  I went down and looked at the court record
[01:43:24.520 --> 01:43:33.520]  Under the procedure they used, it was under Rule 436, I think, 4 something
[01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:37.520]  And the rule said that the pleading must be verified
[01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:47.520]  And all original pleadings in civil court must show a certificate of service
[01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:53.520]  So if you start something in a civil court, an action against another person, you've got to tell them
[01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.520]  I mean, it's pretty basic stuff
[01:43:55.520 --> 01:44:00.520]  Well, I looked at the pleadings, the pleading was not verified
[01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:03.520]  And verifying, for those who don't know, is notary
[01:44:03.520 --> 01:44:07.520]  Yeah, all this stuff I put on here is the truth, I promise it is
[01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.520]  And if it's not, you can kick my behind, that's what it means
[01:44:10.520 --> 01:44:14.520]  Well, they didn't verify it, and there was no certificate of service
[01:44:14.520 --> 01:44:20.520]  So this judge gets in court to take this woman's house from her, and she's not in court
[01:44:20.520 --> 01:44:23.520]  Did it ever occur to the judge to look at the documents?
[01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:25.520]  You would think
[01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:31.520]  To see if the documents were sufficient to invoke the jurisdiction of the court
[01:44:31.520 --> 01:44:37.520]  Absent verification, absent certificate of service
[01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:40.520]  The documents did not invoke the jurisdiction of the court
[01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:43.520]  So the court had no subject matter jurisdiction
[01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:49.520]  Now, what you'd normally do is file a challenge to the jurisdiction
[01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:55.520]  But the clerk has this rule that if the court has entered a final order
[01:44:55.520 --> 01:44:59.520]  You can't file anything else in the case
[01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:01.520]  You know, that's...
[01:45:01.520 --> 01:45:02.520]  Is this slick?
[01:45:02.520 --> 01:45:05.520]  That sounds like something that's just contrary to the rules
[01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.520]  Well, it is incredibly contrary to the rules
[01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:12.520]  There's a motion to vacate provided for in the rules
[01:45:12.520 --> 01:45:15.520]  Well, see, this is pretty neat though
[01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.520]  You start an action, you don't tell the other side
[01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:22.520]  The other side doesn't show up, so you get your final order
[01:45:22.520 --> 01:45:26.520]  Now the other side can't file any motions because you got a final order
[01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:31.520]  Yeah, and the thing out there is, you know, people are going, this is unbelievable
[01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:36.520]  This happens all the time and it's completely outrageous
[01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:40.520]  We're taking a little different approach
[01:45:40.520 --> 01:45:44.520]  You know, we tried to file the challenge to the jurisdiction
[01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:45.520]  But the clerk didn't want to take it
[01:45:45.520 --> 01:45:49.520]  And I tried to get the smart-mouthed lieutenant to arrest the clerk
[01:45:49.520 --> 01:45:51.520]  And he said, I'm not going to arrest anybody
[01:45:51.520 --> 01:45:53.520]  Then what are you doing here?
[01:45:53.520 --> 01:45:55.520]  I turned to this little deputy
[01:45:55.520 --> 01:45:57.520]  I said, what did you bring him for?
[01:45:57.520 --> 01:46:01.520]  Give me a real policeman, I need someone to arrest this clerk
[01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:07.520]  And the lieutenant was livid, threatened to arrest me if I raised my voice
[01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:11.520]  Oh, I come down here and people commit crimes against me
[01:46:11.520 --> 01:46:15.520]  And you're going to arrest me because I tell you about it
[01:46:15.520 --> 01:46:17.520]  Oh, this is real cool
[01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:19.520]  And I tell the little guy, give me a real policeman
[01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:22.520]  I need one to arrest big mouth over here
[01:46:22.520 --> 01:46:26.520]  And just had a great time in the court, in the clerk's office
[01:46:26.520 --> 01:46:32.520]  And then I went to the district attorney and filed criminal charges against the judge
[01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:34.520]  For holding that hearing
[01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:37.520]  You see, the judge didn't have subject matter jurisdiction
[01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:40.520]  He was kind of like the guy that goes down to the uniform store,
[01:46:40.520 --> 01:46:43.520]  Rinse the uniform and buys him a little badge
[01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:47.520]  And gets a bubble and sticks on his car and pulls me over
[01:46:47.520 --> 01:46:51.520]  The police are not going to send him a challenge to his jurisdiction
[01:46:51.520 --> 01:46:54.520]  They're going to throw his butt in the can
[01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:57.520]  I want the judge's butt thrown in the can
[01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.520]  He was pretending to be a judge when he wasn't
[01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:02.520]  So I filed that with the district attorney
[01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:04.520]  But I had already worked over that district attorney
[01:47:04.520 --> 01:47:07.520]  So he agreed to give it to the grand jury
[01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:08.520]  Oh, that's great
[01:47:08.520 --> 01:47:10.520]  Then we went to the judge's office
[01:47:10.520 --> 01:47:19.520]  Because motions are filed either with the clerk of the court or with the judge in the case
[01:47:19.520 --> 01:47:22.520]  So we went and bushwhacked the judge
[01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:25.520]  And this woman hands in this motion
[01:47:25.520 --> 01:47:28.520]  He said, well, you can't file this with me
[01:47:28.520 --> 01:47:31.520]  And I said, yes, she can
[01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:32.520]  He said, well, you have to file this with the clerk
[01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:35.520]  Oh, the clerk wouldn't take it, so we had to bring it to you
[01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:36.520]  Well, you can't file it with me
[01:47:36.520 --> 01:47:38.520]  And he handed it back to me
[01:47:38.520 --> 01:47:40.520]  He said, I'm not taking this
[01:47:40.520 --> 01:47:41.520]  And I held up both hands
[01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:42.520]  I'm not touching it
[01:47:42.520 --> 01:47:45.520]  You got it, Bubba, you get to keep it
[01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:47.520]  Well, I'm not going to act on this
[01:47:47.520 --> 01:47:49.520]  Well, it's your call, Judge
[01:47:49.520 --> 01:47:51.520]  We turned and walked out
[01:47:51.520 --> 01:47:53.520]  Did you have a video camera going?
[01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.520]  No, we didn't have what with us that day
[01:47:56.520 --> 01:47:58.520]  But we had lots of witnesses
[01:47:58.520 --> 01:48:00.520]  Oh, you know what the best part is?
[01:48:00.520 --> 01:48:05.520]  Well, I mean, catching them just acting like complete idiots on film is always great, but...
[01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:09.520]  I had a guy with me that told me
[01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:13.520]  He said, I don't know if I should go in there with you
[01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:15.520]  I said, why not?
[01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:21.520]  Well, I had a case before this judge and I had to recuse him
[01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:22.520]  I said, you recuse him?
[01:48:22.520 --> 01:48:27.520]  He said, yeah, I had to file a motion stating that the judge couldn't hear this case
[01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:31.520]  Because I have been sexing his ex-wife
[01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:33.520]  I said, you put that in a motion?
[01:48:33.520 --> 01:48:35.520]  He said, yeah, I did
[01:48:35.520 --> 01:48:39.520]  I was surprised he didn't shoot you
[01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:40.520]  That's too funny
[01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:41.520]  That was crazy
[01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.520]  Oh, my gosh
[01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:51.520]  Well, hey, this actually reminds me of a technique that Tony Davis has been discussing
[01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:56.520]  To determine whether or not these judges are actually even reading these pleadings
[01:48:56.520 --> 01:49:02.520]  And what he does with his clients is he puts something outrageous in the pleading
[01:49:02.520 --> 01:49:12.520]  Like, you know, the judge should be disqualified because he's married to a 20-year-old blonde nymphomaniac
[01:49:12.520 --> 01:49:16.520]  And he's too busy with his wife and he's not doing his job
[01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:21.520]  You know, just something totally off the wall that's probably not even true
[01:49:21.520 --> 01:49:23.520]  Okay, so just to see
[01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:25.520]  Saying stuff like that isn't true
[01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:28.520]  Well, listen, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on
[01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:36.520]  The point is that he puts stuff outrageous, just completely made-up crap into these pleadings
[01:49:36.520 --> 01:49:40.520]  Just to see if the other side or the judge is even reading them
[01:49:40.520 --> 01:49:43.520]  And when they don't respond with, hey, what is this?
[01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.520]  Then they know they're not even reading them
[01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:49.520]  And now they know for sure they're not even reading them
[01:49:49.520 --> 01:49:55.520]  And if they don't challenge it, it becomes a fact as a matter of law
[01:49:55.520 --> 01:50:01.520]  Well, you know, I mean, if you do motions for disqualification, usually they have to be verified
[01:50:01.520 --> 01:50:05.520]  But you can do it in other situations
[01:50:05.520 --> 01:50:08.520]  Well, see, wait now, wait a minute, it doesn't matter
[01:50:08.520 --> 01:50:10.520]  If you say that
[01:50:10.520 --> 01:50:12.520]  Well, you say, I heard
[01:50:12.520 --> 01:50:14.520]  Well, no, you don't even have to do that
[01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.520]  It's not a material fact
[01:50:16.520 --> 01:50:17.520]  Well, yeah
[01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:18.520]  It doesn't matter anyway
[01:50:18.520 --> 01:50:24.520]  Well, but the point is that they put outrageous things in these pleadings
[01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:27.520]  Just to determine whether or not the judge is even reading them or not
[01:50:27.520 --> 01:50:31.520]  Oh, and Mark, you like this, I'm working on a strategy
[01:50:31.520 --> 01:50:33.520]  Okay
[01:50:33.520 --> 01:50:39.520]  Robert's got out of jail in Jacksonville and Robert's a researcher like I am
[01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:45.520]  And really hates attorneys, present company excluded
[01:50:45.520 --> 01:50:53.520]  And I'm trying to talk him into accepting court-appointed counsel
[01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:56.520]  When I first told him he was livid
[01:50:56.520 --> 01:50:59.520]  And I said, wait a minute, wait a minute, Robert
[01:50:59.520 --> 01:51:04.520]  You take court-appointed counsel and then we prepare all of these motions
[01:51:04.520 --> 01:51:07.520]  And give them to him and say, here you go, Bubba
[01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:10.520]  File these, argue these
[01:51:10.520 --> 01:51:13.520]  And he's going to refuse
[01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:21.520]  Then you file a bar grievance for each due cause issue raised in the pleadings
[01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:25.520]  23, in Robert's case, 29
[01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:27.520]  His career is over
[01:51:27.520 --> 01:51:31.520]  So he's going to run to the judge and say, oh, judge, they're beating me up
[01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.520]  I need you to remove me from this case
[01:51:35.520 --> 01:51:39.520]  So you run in there and say, don't you dare remove him from that case
[01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:41.520]  We have a private contract
[01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:44.520]  And you are not to interfere with my private contract
[01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:49.520]  And the judge is going to say, well, I can remove him from the case if I want to
[01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:51.520]  And he'll remove him from the case
[01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:57.520]  So what kind of decision is that by the judge?
[01:51:57.520 --> 01:52:00.520]  Judicial or administrative?
[01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:02.520]  I would say that's administrative
[01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:04.520]  Gotcha, Bubba
[01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:08.520]  No immunity from administrative decisions
[01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:17.520]  We're looking to set up the judge to render an administrative decision so we can sue his behind
[01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:19.520]  Yeah, well, that's interesting
[01:52:19.520 --> 01:52:26.520]  And we start looking at the cases and which decisions are administrative
[01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:30.520]  And on every one we don't like, we sue him
[01:52:30.520 --> 01:52:31.520]  Interesting
[01:52:31.520 --> 01:52:35.520]  Well, you know, there's a trick, too, that you can slip into pleadings
[01:52:35.520 --> 01:52:40.520]  And I'm interested to hear that Tony's trying tricks to see if they're reading the pleadings
[01:52:40.520 --> 01:52:47.520]  But there's a trick you can slip into pleadings that I have that really screws them
[01:52:47.520 --> 01:52:52.520]  But let me tell you about this judge at the second BCA because I know the time's running short
[01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:56.520]  Yeah, and we also have a caller, Randy, from Texas, so I want to be able to take his call
[01:52:56.520 --> 01:52:58.520]  We've got about five minutes left
[01:52:58.520 --> 01:53:03.520]  You were talking about, you know, putting something in there about a judge having sex with a hooker or something like that
[01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:10.520]  Well, this judge at the second district court of appeal, the word came out a year or so ago
[01:53:10.520 --> 01:53:20.520]  He had been going around with his hooker and bought a house with her and was laundering money for her and all kinds of stuff
[01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:27.520]  And, you know, he got a couple stories on one of the local TV stations and then they hushed up about it
[01:53:27.520 --> 01:53:38.520]  But apparently, you know, there was enough awareness of it that the Florida corrupt old boy network thought they had to do something about it
[01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:43.520]  Because, you know, of course it was posted up on YouTube and stuff like that, so it's out there
[01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:52.520]  And so they just yesterday, I believe, filed a complaint in the Florida Supreme Court to go after this judge
[01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:58.520]  And it's Judge Stringer with the second district court of appeal in Lakeland, Florida
[01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:10.520]  Like I said, there's a couple YouTubes up with Channel 13 stories, you know, of his involvement with this prostitute
[01:54:10.520 --> 01:54:17.520]  And laundering money, you know, but I'm sure he's not accepting bags of cash to throw cases or anything, right?
[01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:20.520]  Oh, no. Does he play golf?
[01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:28.520]  I understand he's a really good golfer. Lots of the attorneys lose lots of money to him and lots of gains
[01:54:28.520 --> 01:54:31.520]  Oh, come on, Mark. He wins legitimately
[01:54:31.520 --> 01:54:36.520]  All right. Well, listen, listen. We should go to our caller. We've got Randy from Texas that's been holding for a while
[01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:38.520]  Let's go to Randy
[01:54:38.520 --> 01:54:42.520]  Hey, Randy. Thanks for calling in. What's on your mind tonight?
[01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:51.520]  Hi, Randy. Hi, Deborah. Real quick, I've got a deal going. I filed a motion to dismiss with the JP here
[01:54:51.520 --> 01:55:01.520]  And went down and asked the clerk to pull the file and tell me what was in it
[01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:09.520]  The motion's in it, a citation's in it, and now I've got a supposed notice to appear for a
[01:55:09.520 --> 01:55:15.520]  What they call a pre-trial conference, and they told me that the judge went ahead and dismissed my motion
[01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:21.520]  Although we never had a hearing, and entered a plea of not guilty. What would you do?
[01:55:21.520 --> 01:55:26.520]  Entered a plea of not guilty for you?
[01:55:26.520 --> 01:55:29.520]  Uh-huh. Isn't that helpful?
[01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:31.520]  Have you been before the...
[01:55:31.520 --> 01:55:33.520]  I've never set foot in there
[01:55:33.520 --> 01:55:47.520]  Well, actually, your plea, your motion to dismiss has the effect of a not guilty plea, wouldn't you say, Mark?
[01:55:47.520 --> 01:55:55.520]  Well, in Florida, actually, in Florida state criminal practice, you make a motion to dismiss before your arraignment
[01:55:55.520 --> 01:55:59.520]  And they're supposed to hear that before your arraignment
[01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:04.520]  So, not knowing Texas law, I don't know what the deal is there
[01:56:04.520 --> 01:56:10.520]  But in Florida, what that judge did to this gentleman would be completely contrary to the law
[01:56:10.520 --> 01:56:14.520]  But I'm sure at the same time it happens here all the time, too
[01:56:14.520 --> 01:56:22.520]  Yeah, but here, no harm, no foul, he's challenging the cause, so he's not pleading guilty or no lo contendere
[01:56:22.520 --> 01:56:31.520]  So it has the effect of saying, okay, he's not going to lay down and roll over, so that causes no harm
[01:56:31.520 --> 01:56:40.520]  Well, yes, I think it does, because when you plea, then you're accepting that you stand under the charges
[01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:46.520]  And even if you plead not guilty, you're accepting that you're being charged with something
[01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:54.520]  And he's saying, no, you can't charge me, I have a motion to dismiss here because you guys haven't done things the right way
[01:56:54.520 --> 01:56:57.520]  You don't have the right to charge me, so that's different
[01:56:57.520 --> 01:57:08.520]  No, the judge entered the plea for him, so that doesn't bind him in a way it would if he came before the court and accepted the court's jurisdiction
[01:57:08.520 --> 01:57:13.520]  The judge just entered the plea of no guilty to move the case along
[01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:18.520]  But he has no right, the judge does not have a right to enter a plea for him
[01:57:18.520 --> 01:57:24.520]  I think he's required to under certain circumstances, but it does no harm, it just moves the case forward
[01:57:24.520 --> 01:57:31.520]  Yeah, but it does do harm because they're not allowed to move the case forward if there's a reason to disqualify or dismiss the case
[01:57:31.520 --> 01:57:34.520]  The case shouldn't be moving forward
[01:57:34.520 --> 01:57:44.520]  Separate issue, the issue of him ruling on the motion without a hearing, that's a separate issue to the entering a plea of not guilty for him
[01:57:44.520 --> 01:57:47.520]  That just moves the case
[01:57:47.520 --> 01:57:49.520]  Right
[01:57:49.520 --> 01:57:57.520]  I'm not sure what was in the motion, if it was a motion that could be ruled summary judgment, then the judge could do that
[01:57:57.520 --> 01:58:01.520]  Alright, well listen, we're at the end of the show, we need to wrap things up here
[01:58:01.520 --> 01:58:05.520]  Randy, could you please call back in tomorrow night?
[01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:06.520]  Yes
[01:58:06.520 --> 01:58:08.520]  Okay, and we'll discuss this tomorrow night
[01:58:08.520 --> 01:58:12.520]  And Mark, you're welcome to call back in as well
[01:58:12.520 --> 01:58:14.520]  If your wife will let you
[01:58:14.520 --> 01:58:20.520]  You guys have a good weekend if I don't talk to you tomorrow evening and look forward to talking with you again next week
[01:58:20.520 --> 01:58:23.520]  Alright, thank you for calling in Mark and Randy
[01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:25.520]  Sorry we took so long to get to you
[01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:27.520]  Yeah, we had some guests lined up, thank you for waiting Mark
[01:58:27.520 --> 01:58:35.520]  Alright, we'll be back tomorrow night, this is the rule of law, Randy Kelton and Deborah Stevens on ruleoflawradio.com
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