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to help them spread the word about doing the land patent

and it would be some really great broadcasts, a loyal title and land patent series.

Magnificently enough with a land patent will secure the property rights that are beyond me

of doing it with land patents

The problem with the land patents,

And I've looked into the land patent thing

to this ethereal ivory tower place of the land patent,

than to go through the land patent

of the tax roll even if you have your land patent

Okay, and they can punch holes in the land patent

the land patent issues.

You know, and yeah, I want to look into the land patent things too

You know, I mean, kind of the way I see it, you know, this land patent

You know, I just did the land patent on myself as a human being

Even in the state of Texas, you can buy land from the state on a land patent.

and you have to look at the land patent and the land law of the date of the land patent,

go to the archives, and follow up through the archives the particular land patent for that piece of property.

unless you have your land patent in effect

and the land law that was in effect at the time the land patent was issued,

Well, all of the land that is private land in California falls under the auspices of land patents

Go in there and ask them to look at a land patent.

you might have to go back to the date of the land patent and apply a whole different set of code to it.

if they will go and do the research, bring their little parcel of that land patent forward,

because land patents were normally issued using either a section, a half section, or a quarter section of land.

But you can accept the assignment for a small parcel of land within a land patent.

You can't just have your land patent and then not pay.

Because the land patent is true ownership, and they're not an assignee on that land patent unless you make them such.

So even with a house in Austin, if it was ever bequeathed in a land patent, then you can still bring that patent forward.

and we are the assignees on that land patent, and we have accepted the assignment,

We've had a lot of people tell us a lot of nonsense about land patents.

And they will send you an email back telling you that your land patent is such and such and such and such,

The land patent thing is very, very specific with land law.

Okay. So around 9 o'clock and then we'll go over land patent issues,

So Pat, let me ask you something about this land patent thing

There's been some adjudication on this within the state dealing with land patents and ad valorem taxes.

When you did your research, what time frame did they start going away from the land patents and going to the warranty deeds

He's the patent attorney, the land patent attorney for the general land office in Austin.

He still issues land patents, brand new ones.

But I advise against that because you would be tying the land patent to the current land law,

But it's easier if you do the research, ask for the original land patent.

that had all the information about land patents.

to implement this land patent? What recourse do they have? Obviously, it's not in their

Right. Exactly. Will they in any way be notified that there is in fact a land patent on the

property or that there is an attempt to put a land patent for you to carry forward this

land patent? Would they be notified?

You have to understand something about land patents for the state of Texas. If you have

a piece of property and you have a mortgage on it, the likelihood that a land patent has

And so they know that there's a land patent on that property. Now, if they get wind that

you're trying to bring it forward and accept the assignment on the land patent, they cannot

So once you bring forward that land patent in your name, what rights would they have

Right. Okay. And also, how long does this process take as far as bringing the land patent

And take the courthouse, I'll get a land patent on it.

just because you are able to bring your land patent forward to prove free

And then also to get certified copies of the land patent associated with their property.

When Pat comes on, could you ask him, when he's talking about the land patents, I think

issues of land patents in other states?

were maintained in the patent office, or the land patent office, at the general land office

When you're looking to do a land patent, what you're trying to do is ascertain exactly which

If you want to get a new land patent, just be advised that's what you're looking at.

When you do do your research and you get your land patent, it will tell you which land law

That used to be because of gunpowder and stuff, so when you get your land patent, please get

are as a land owner and when you do get your land patent brought forward, you have to go

Okay, we will be back with more from Pat on land patents when we get back on the other

I want to say this. Just getting your land patent will not get you out of property taxes.

I've been real lucky in dealing with my local tax people because a lot of the ranchers out here have their land patent

All the land patent does, and I'm going to reiterate this a couple of times through this evening,

the land patent is a declaration of true ownership, true title to the property.

And the only attorney I know that actually admits to being a land patent attorney works for the state.

Okay, we are back with Pat talking about the land patents.

And he refused to answer any of my questions about land patents.

deal with the land patent issue, how to go back and get a land patent to prove that your

And Pat told me last night that even if you go through his process to get your land patent,

The land patent is just additional proof that your property is private property.

for the first time someone addressed the nature of the land patent and the nature of our titles

When in fact, all they had to do was bring forward the original land patent and the land

One of the things I especially liked about it was that if you bring the land patent forward,

the laws affecting property taxes that were in effect when the land patent was granted

property and what I understand about the nature of the land patent is it brings the property

All those folks with Agenda 21, when they bump up against the land patent, they can

Got about 45 minutes and then we're going to bring Pat on to talk about the land patent.

Who wants to read something from the bottom of a land patent

I did this land patent thing back in 2000

And I researched the land patent concerning my property

So apparently they relinquished the right entitled to the land when they did the land patent

But yet when I did my deed, I did a deed and filed this land patent with it

But I thought the people should hear what one of these land patents say

By this gigantic map of the state of Texas and it shows every land patent ever given

You're trying to bring a land patent forward or something

Over which they have absolutely no rights considering the status of the land patent itself

Land patents which were issued

This land patent essentially

Hear cases on the land patent

You know if you try it with the land patent

In other words, like if you get your land patent brought forward, all these kinds of things,

You cannot file a lien on an alloyal or land patent title.

But having said that, you have to understand what a land patent truly is.

If you have land patents, if you have a loyal title, that is yours.

signed by the President of the United States, James Buchanan, for a land patent.

So I'm actually holding my land patent right here, and it took me all of an hour of research.

so that it went with the land patent.

to bring our land patent forward in assignment.

If you do a search for your state and then put land patents,

the appropriate office will probably come up under BLM land patents.

I went to another website and I found a listing of all the land patents in Wisconsin.

what all are the potential benefits of having a loyal title of your property or bringing the land patent forward

to the point that the Supreme Court said we will no longer rule on this, the land patent is supreme.

The land patent owner wins every case.

I believe it was some wetlands that the state was trying to take away from people who had a land patent.

We're talking about, yeah, land patents.

Has he done these land patents here in Texas?

Have he done these land patents in Texas?

Yeah, he has his land patent on his own property.

And if you need to find the copy, your copy of your land patent,

And how do we go and look for that land patent?

you will have a U.S. land patent issued on it if it has one.

because the court will not override a land patent.

and do a land patent on the block and be able to acquire full title over and above

They are going to disavow all knowledge of a land patent.

So if I have brought forward the land patent, then I can tell the city to go scratch.

All right, so bottom line is this whole land patent process,

Harmon Taylor has made mention to the land patent, and he states that it has everything to do with your choice of law when you purchase property.

The land patent is paramount, and the land patent is determined by the organic laws of the state of Texas, which is the original de jure Republic.

Well, I know, but why are you no longer a voter just because you get a land patent?

You're saying that once you get a land patent, you lose, you can't have a voter registration card anymore.

And so I want to, I want you guys to explain why if you are a true landowner with a land patent that you can't have a voter registration card anymore.

So just because you have a land patent or you brought forward your land patent on the property you own,

Back to the land patent.

The land patent makes you an absolute holder of absolute title, not an owner, but a holder of absolute title, different terms.

You're either going to be a riot tenure and hold no more than equitable title, or you're going to have absolute title, land patent.

A loydeal title and land patent are the same.

The loydeal title or land patent, not if, but when people bring them forward, in other words, they accept the assignment of the land patent, they become freeholders.

of bringing their land patent forward, becoming a freeholder, all these things,

And I did have one other comment. Was that Paul that was on the other night about the land patents, Deborah?

If you have problems with that land patent, I was thinking that the assessor would be the weak link in the chain.

If you sue the assessor for not accepting the land patent or taking you off the tax roll, what do you think about that?

Hey, and the implications of this land patent are incredible.

talking about the land patent issues as well.

And tomorrow night, Eric Madsen from Team Law is going to be talking about land patents to follow up on the sequel,

So our deal with land and land rights and land patent,

Knowing that when you read the land patent and the words say,

Now, another issue that comes and becomes important when you're dealing with land patent

and that is you notice that the land patent is a grant, grant-made patent.

then we jump to the issue of the land patent when it's granted

So again, when you get the land patent, the land patent was initially granted.

Now when we're dealing with land issues, the land patent comes to you,

Now we've basically covered everything you need to know about land and land patents and all that

We spent the entire four hours with Pat from Texas discussing land patent issues and what kind of documents need to be gathered

so that you can get your land patent

All right, we're going to get to the land patent issue, but I do want to spend a few minutes

But at any rate, what we really wanted to get you on for is to talk about the land patent issue.

So anyway, let's go to the land patents now.

But at any rate, let's go to the land patent thing.

So what kind of research did you get into to lead you to the land patent issue?

So the first thing that you do, and that's why people use the land patent service that

Team Law provides, because our land patent sandwich takes that property and that land,

the land patent itself for that purpose.

like you were saying that with the land patent, the acceptance of the land patent, that the

person who is on the land patent always stays there.

And so the only way a business entity can acquire land patent-secured land ownership

How does, if somebody acquires their acceptance of their land patent, how can that be used

of the issue where it says the land controlled by land patent cannot be subject to debt or

And again, the land patent has nothing whatsoever to do with and cannot interfere with your

the land patent will never stop you from doing it and it won't save your property from that

process and there is nothing you can do with the land patent to make that happen and thinking

The land patent does one thing and one thing only.

So what you're saying is acquiring the land patent will not help someone in any way whatsoever

The land patent will not interfere with the contract, no matter what.

It doesn't matter in law, the land patent will not interfere with your right to contract.

Will getting the land patent help somebody annul the contract that they entered into

If someone acquires their acceptance of land patent, can that be used to establish some

get to is the issue concerning how can someone getting the acceptance of their land patent

And so the real question is how can someone acquiring the acceptance of their land patent,

go through a process like the team law land patent sandwich process to secure the property

with this, doing a land patent is really not going to protect me, right?

Well, again, it's, it's, um, when you say do a land patent, you're going to hear terms

forward or doing the land patent.

Again, the land patent is the title to the land.

The land patent is simply the title to the land.

the land patent secured rights coming to you?

And I've got my land patent, certified copies, and the only thing I'm missing is the finish

And it also brings up an issue of what happens if you are on the land patent and someone

are the advantages to having a land patent in this situation?

Okay, so we just quickly want to go over what the advantages are to being on the land patent

how bringing your land patent forward can help you deal with all those issues about

When you say that, bringing your land patent forward, there is no such thing.

There is no way to bring your land patent forward.

The land patent is what it is, it's patent, it stays where it is, it doesn't change, there's

Are you talking about Team Law's land patent sandwich process, what we do with land patents

Okay, so in short, why do you even care about a land patent?

Owning the patent, well, because the land patent is the title.

If you don't have the land patent, you don't have the title.

get the acceptance of this grant, of this land patent, by buying the property, if you

get the acceptance of the land patent?

So if someone gets their acceptance of the land patent after there has been a lien placed

And you go on the Land Patents subforum, the lead article on that forum is called Land

So if you have your acceptance of land patent for your property, can you then have your

And the answer to that question was the land patent has nothing whatsoever to do with your

But if I understand the land patent right,

once you get the land patent on your land,

So it seemed to me if you got the land patent on the land where the transmitter's located

or move it to some land that you do have the land patent on, problem solved.

I don't know who's spreading that story that because you have a land patent,

But the land patent thing, it's like, yeah,

You know, if some guy that owns a lot of property gets a land patent on it,

from what I've looked into concerning land patents, is that it can take a very long time to get a land patent.

I mean, somebody's life could be destroyed by the time they got their land patent.

And to try to find other locations of people that have land patents,

I mean, and to have to actually narrow the scope to somebody that had a land patent, I mean, forget it.

And the last show we did on land patents,

This whole land patent thing that he's about is to somehow establish some kind of common law electors

I mean, just having a land patent is not going to give somebody complete and total autonomy

Well, I guess, Dean, that you were just talking about in the first of my head, I guess the land patent that the last caller was calling in about

Yeah, and this guy came on to talk about land patents and he bushwhacked us.

I mean, getting your land patent is a very time-consuming process.

I just thought the way that the previous caller brought it up was a terrible way to try to exploit a land patent

I'm finding myself up against the wall with no choice but to fight the only way I can with claiming the land patents

Okay, well, I just want to make a comment here about land patent

As we well know, we had Mr. Land Patent on for a full four hours not too long ago

And he said that getting your land patent will not help you get out of property taxes

That's not the purpose of the land patent

And where I'm going with my argument is that I'm the assignee of the land patent

as me as a man, and present them my acceptance of the land patent

And I'm going to argue that as an assignee of the land patent holder

And most of the land in the state of Texas has land patents filed in Austin

My wife and I have already brought our land patent.

Because land patents are no longer valid in Texas.

I talked to the GLO land patent attorney not more than just a few months ago.

All of the land patents for every piece of property in the state of Texas,

If you want to talk to the GLO, they actually still issue land patents.

There were originally land patents granted by...

No, sir, I'm not talking about those land patents.

Are you saying that the land patents were struck down and not deducted?

You've got a real problem here, and if a land patent was issued before, under a series of statutes,

Yeah well the land patent and I've already talked to the land patent attorney at the G.L.O. in Austin

And I was challenging them. I'm like, does the county claim to have a superior title than the land patent?

Because I'm claiming I am the assignee of the land patent.

I mean, the language of the land patent is clear for the heirs and assignees forever.

And they were citing just some stupid lower court's decision about the land patent

Good, land patents, do you all use them?

He just got land patent on his

And it turns out he goes to church with the guy that works for land patents

Yeah, but the problem is, do you have a land patent?

Now how would the private property thing tie in with land patents?

Land patents will not get you out of property taxes

Having a land patent will not help you reclassify your property from real property to private property

And I forgot the gentleman who has the land patent website, Team Law, teamlaw.org

The only reason that he does the land patents is to help people get set up as constitutional electors

Having your land patent has nothing to do with property taxes

Don't even bother with the land patents unless you're into his trip concerning becoming a constitutional elector

But at any rate, that's the deal with the land patents

They're just trying to get their land patents.

And also, before I go, this gentleman talking about land patent.

Yeah, look how good the land patent served him.

Steve has that other file for me on the land patent.

And Randy, we can sit and talk, and I'll show you what I'm talking about, about land patents

I want to see how the bank has imputed knowledge of the land patent.

If I can establish imputed knowledge of a pre-existing land patent that preempts a lien,

Okay, let me explain, for those who don't know, Pat's brought forward the land patent,

and what he's saying is that when there's a land patent on the property, that it stands

All the land patents issued by the state of Texas have been signed by the commissioner

make this real short, this land patent stands in front of any deed, it is true ownership

The land you would most likely bring forward, the land patent is the best way you can do to get it out of the state

I have a land patent.

I had a couple of questions about land patents.

and she's traced the land patent for our property all the way back to its original.

One thing you might be conscious of when you bring forward the land patent

You need to be aware of some of the ramifications of the land patent.

and it's not so much about the land patent, it's about being removed from the tax roll.

that's on Tuesday nights at 8, because they just did a whole show on land patents.

No, I think it's filed in the land patent, in the land office.

then the title would be replaced with the land patent.

And when you bring the land patent forward, you just show that the property has been paid off to the state

The guy earlier talked about the land for the land patent.

What do you know about land patents by any chance?

I know some about land patents.

But when you get the land patent, if you get off the tax rolls,

the land patent will not affect the existing lien.

I could go get a land patent on it tomorrow.

Would it be difficult to file a land patent?

and I'm not sure what the process of a land patent is in Ohio.

If you come with quiet title, but once you put a land patent on it,

because then it will be defeated by the land patent.

I thought maybe you were trying to do some land patents on some mortgage fraud.

The land patent does not defeat an existing lien.

Yes, I live in Ohio and I want to put a land patent on my property. The problem is you have a land patent borough, I guess in Texas.

I want to put in, I have 10 acres of my property. They want to put a store line through right through my property. I know a land patent is the only thing I know if I have no leads on my property that would checkmate them on that deal.

Okay. They would be the ones that you would go through to file the proper paperwork to establish and enforce the land patent provided you've got all the necessary information to establish the land patent.

And that goes beyond just the land patent.

But again, once you do that, you have to establish that it was paid for and it is not subject to imminent domain and get your land patent on it.

The land patent does not remove it from the tax rolls, however.

Okay, so I've already gone to the Bureau of Land Management and asked for it and I've got the actual copies, three parts of the papers of the actual, you know, original, you know, land patent.

A land patent is a pretty tricky thing to make sure you've got correct.

Well, land patents are not my forte. I know of them. I haven't done them.

Well, Chuck, if you'll send me an email, I will send it to someone who has gotten a land patent and can give you information about who helped them get it.

But they did use a company that helped them establish all the paperwork necessary to get the land patent filed.

Bring forward the land patent.

Once you bring forward the land patent, that's one of the things, especially if it's unimproved, they can't tax you anymore.

So yeah, just looking into the land patent.

Now, when I bring forward this land patent thing, what does that do?

What it does is a land patent gives you clear title to the property.

And I'm kind of confused on this issue too because we had Mr. Madsen from Team Law on our show a couple of years back and he's like the land patent expert.

And he made it abundantly clear that getting your land patent will not get your property off the tax roll.

He was very clear about that and he's the land patent expert.

And I know that Pat in South Texas has got his land patent and he's got his property off the tax roll.

But ultimately the reason he got his property off the tax roll was not because of the land patent.

But the land patent expert, Mr. Madsen from Team Law says land patent will not help you one iota to get your property off of the property tax roll.

The whole point of getting the land patent from his perspective is to set up yourself as a so-called elector.

Yeah, so there's a lot of confusion and there's some, I don't know, there's just differences of opinions out there about land patents.

Today, my husband and I went to the courthouse to file our updated land patent.

Land patents are civil.

So did you ask this clerk what law they're citing that allows the prosecutor to decide whether or not to file a land patent?

How are you saying that a criminal prosecutor has anything whatsoever to do with a land patent filing?

But he said the law that was on the land patent itself, he wasn't familiar with.

He said that they used to do the land patent in the older days, they don't do them no more.

Please give us a call if you got a question or an issue, remember this is traffic night, I do not deal with mortgages, land patents or things of that nature per se, so please save those questions for Thursday or Friday.

The state has an interest, and this had to do with the land patent.

The land patent showed full ownership and it eliminated the title.

Once it was paid for, they were supposed to bring forward the land patent, and then the state had no more claim.

They didn't bring forward the land patent, and the state maintains effectively the title established as a lien against the property,

And this is why people were talking about bringing forward the land patent.

Now, there is the possibility that a land patent will prevent them from seizing it under eminent

One is to get a land patent for the land on which the house sits.

You can even look through their records and see other land patents that have been filed.

I filed to get a land patent and they just kind of laughed at me and said, no way, that's not going to happen.

If you go to the land patent office...

Now, if you've got a loyal title on the land and they do that or a land patent and they

Then we sandwiched land patents on the property, and they filed it and they took it, and we

Well, we've been at, for a long time, people have not been able to file that land patent,

Well, we tried to file the land patent originally, and they wouldn't file a document at all.

And now do we... I'm assuming we have a loyal title, or at least a land patent title, but

You have a land patent that eliminated the title.

the land patent is all about.

And then we did the, we had the seal from the notary, and then I got the seal from the clerk of course, which made two seals, which made it an order, and then we did the acknowledgement of the land patent, which it was giving.

If they stop charging tax on the property, you might want to go talk to the fire department. Because if you have brought your land patent forward, and you're out of the tax rolls, the fire department will not be allowed to put out your fire using taxpayer money.

whether I'll put it in a trust or I wanted to know what more you might know about land patents.

We know some about land patents, and I will get Eddie to address that in a minute.

Well, I'm not 100% on the land patent process, though we do have several people that are regular listeners to the show that have done it.

The key thing about it just to remember is that the land patent does not automatically remove your property from the local tax rolls.

The best way to do that with or without a land patent is to have the property declared private property by a judge.

Alright Gary, let's see what we can do. You had said you had a question on Texas land patents versus US land patents.

My worry or my concern or question is, do you know if a Texas land patent is as strong as a US Bureau of Land Management patents

Okay, well let me ask you a question. Yes sir. Why don't you just get a land patent from France or India or Belgium or Switzerland?

Well, because I don't think Belgium or Switzerland has the authority to issue a land patent on my property, I don't think.

That's right, because it doesn't exist. So it can't in any way shape or form supersede a state land patent unless the state has already seeded that land to the federal government lock, stock and barrel.

So my question is, would a Texas land patent assist me in a situation where I say, okay, you folks don't have the authority to put a lien against my property, because number one, you don't exist any longer.

Number two, I wanted is this land patent supersede any leanable claim that an HLA, even if it wasn't acting ultra-various, would that land patent supersede it?

Okay. A state land patent rather than a federal land patent.

Yes, sir. I'll follow you on that. I'll follow you on that. I was just thinking that the Texas Land Patent may give me a little more...

Understood. Okay. So the Land Patent probably wouldn't do me much good. I just need to stand on the back of contract being terminated.

Sure. Well, the Land Patent might benefit you in other ways, but because of the way I'm almost certain they're going to come at this,

they would right away say the Land Patent has no bearing on their claim.

then the Land Patent would give you some tangible method of controlling what can be done with that.

I got a question about Texas land patents as opposed to U.S. land patents.

And apparently they are dishonoring my land patent that I sent copies through the Williamson County Tax Assessor Collector.

No, not that I'm aware of. I had paid the 2010 copy of taxes, but then in 2011 is when I did the land patent process.

because I have perfected the land patent and I left a copy with them.

Okay, and then in the interim, when I go to court, just bring copies of my land patent and should I present that or file it into the case?

We have all these people saying that the land patent issue is so well adjudicated, the Supreme Court refuses to see it again.

That's my problem with the land patent issue.

Well, Randy, I'm close to responding to the clerk of the court. Should I send her another copy of my land patent with directions that this court has no jurisdiction, unless it's the federal court anyway?

Oh yeah, on the land patent, it mentioned the case law.

But go on the internet, Texas, land patent, do a search for it, and you'll be surprised what you'll find.

and get a colloidal title or a land patent?

Well, I've actually filed, about eight years ago, actually filed the paperwork for the land patent, and I had it recorded in county records.

Yeah, because, as I understand, the land patent will not protect you against a Parlene.

If you couldn't file an effective land patent because you still have these potential outstanding claims out there,

Could we respond in another way? Could we say that the land patent was not complete because of the possibility of outstanding claimants to the property?

That's the one thing that a land patent won't cure.

I've heard people say that, even if there's a bank lien against the property, the land patent would overcome it, but I've never seen any case law to that effect.

That was exactly what I said. You can't go out and make a promise to pay and then bring forward a land patent and notify that promise to pay.

Correct. But what I'm not sure of, I don't think that the promise to pay supersedes the land patent.

In other words, the promise to pay doesn't defeat the land patent once... See, it's so... You know, I haven't proven it in court, so I can't say one way or the other.

But the land patent now should supersede all claims against the property now that the release of lien has been recorded in county records, except for the fact that I don't hold

our loyal title or land patent as i understand it and i'm sure if to somebody out there who's

gaining the independence the state granted a whole a great number of land patents

and where they didn't grant land patents they sold the property to the citizens

then you go to land patent and the state has no power to assess taxes against the property

You accept the original existing land patent from the 1800s, which was issued by the Republic

land patents.

copies of the existing original land patent as described by your meets and bounds.

of the original land patent that you are entitled to, allowing someone else 30, I put it all

Now once you have superior title by land patent, you can now challenge the taxing authority

I was saying over the break, when I'm saying that once you accept the original land patent

And then if they don't do it, then you bring out your land patent and sue to have it moved

You bring the land patent forward and you don't have to file it.

It's a good idea to do it, but as to the land patent, not necessary.

accept the land patent on that and get that all done correctly and properly and up to

I have done some research on the land patent and the texas general land still even has

of custody of the paperwork that went with it. In the state of Texas, original land patents

were granted by the Republic of Texas. The state of Texas now offers land patents, but

things. I'm working on land patents right now and some other personal stuff, but he

Now in 2009, I was arrested. I went to file, and I did file the land patent, and the county clerk did not do anything with me,

It didn't have anything to do with the land patent, did it?

Okay, did it have to do with the land patent?

Keep in mind, Pat has, has patented his property and under land patent law,

State legislature lacks jurisdiction where you have land patented.

Have you brought forward a land patent on this property?

Yes. Yes, we did. We did a full land patent. We did a land patent. 2010-ish, I think we did it.

This goes to land patent.

In the state of Texas, now, Texas is pretty unique in regard to land patents in that there

are two types of land patents that you can get in Texas.

You can either accept a new land patent that is issued by the state of Texas, or you can

accept the portion that belongs to you of the original land patent issued by the Republic

land patent issued by the Republic of Texas, land and water rights come with it.

land patents?

that original land patent, and there's a process to do that and I'm not going to get into

that, but if you accept that original land patent, you can stop all this because what

there's only one way that I know to do that, and that's through accepting the original land patent.

Have you brought forward a land patent on this thing properly?

We did a full land patent.

We did a land patent.

I think about land patents.

I'm very interested in learning more about land patents,

so I can get more information on land patents.

Keep in mind that with land patents, Texas versus the other 49 states, it's a different process altogether.

You can accept the existing land patent, which comes with, along with the water and mineral rights,

but I will pass on whatever information that I do possess in regard to land patents.

and I sure would like to get a land patent out on it.

about land patents. Do they have validity today? Yes, absolutely. They have validity.

A land patent is superior title, superior to any deed. Okay. Now hold on. A land patent is not title,

but land patent is true ownership. Yes. Yes. But the states sold property to people

but they never extinguished the titles. The land patent was true ownership. Is that right, Steve?

the advantageous difference between land patent, keep in mind keyword patent, land patent versus

land and land is more than the surface. When you, when you have a land patent, you own everything

But yes, yes, land patents are there. That is ownership versus ownership interest.

and the land patent doesn't negate the contract. Correct. You still owe the money.

I can't remember the name now. There's a gentleman in North Dakota asking about land patents.

And yes, the land patent in no way interferes with your right to contract and your mortgage

You're talking land patent, accepting land patent or creating land patent?

it says back to the original land patent granted by the Republic of Texas.

and as to how are you going to use it with this land patent.

Keep in mind though, a land patent does not negate a mortgage.

Joe, if that's what you're trying to do by getting a land patent,

That myth is that a land patent will get rid of a mortgage.

the history of land patents in California.

Have I bored you enough with land patent issues?

Yeah, keep up your research on this because I found the land patent issue to be very, very fascinating.

Do you have any other questions in regard to land patents?

I was going to look up the statute, and then I have a lady that's helping me. She's a land patent expert.

And basically, what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get a land patent.

You don't need to go through all this mess, not get your land patented.

Now, you're trying to get a land patent, is there something specific in land patent law?

He's going to a land patent.

So is there something in California law that goes to the difference between the warranty deed as evidence of title and the land patent?

I'm trying to understand this, but since that is evidence of title and a land patent is evidence of ownership,

It's the land patent

Bringing forward the land patent

The way the land patent works is it takes you out of the authority of the state for the most part

You bring forward the land patent, the state has no claim and with no claim they have no authority

But you can pay those even if you bring the land patent forward

But if they did, first thing I'd do is go down to Austin and bring forward a land patent

And Deb and I had a little discussion on land patents

There's a whole lot to land patents and I kind of glossed over it

But before you do a land patent, you need to look at it

The only reason I'd bring a land patent forward

How can they do that if you have the land patented?

title to it in the form of land patent.

And the other thing is, is most of these people have land patents.

The language of the land patent is very, very clear.

Just quick question. I was going, I went back to the archives and reviewing the archive episode from 11609 where you were talking about acquiring the, there was a discussion about acquiring land patents.

Oh yeah, you can bring the land patent forward, but the mortgage will still be in place because that's a contractual agreement.

The land patent really goes to your relationship with the state.

And you know, heard some people say that the bank can't lend money against real property and they know that. So when you bring the land patent forward, their contract goes away.

Yeah, basically as far as securing a land patent, I mean just any precautions I should take upfront and dealing with.

So if you're bringing the land patent forward, you might consider that depending on why you want to do it.

Now, here in the state of Texas, I don't know if that would go to the federal court because Texas land patents are not through the BLM.

it says that you have a patented land patent or deeded property which can be or is in the process of being patented.

Yeah, but I would think that if you can show land patent that you own it, again, if you possess property by deed,

that was my question. So, if I go buy this property, I can go file for a land patent.

then you have an inferior interest in your land compared to land patent.

Once you accept land patent, you have superior deed.

There is nothing above a land patent, period, bar none.

You cannot get a more superior title to land than land patent.

If I were to accept the land patent here in Texas that was originally issued by the Republic of Texas,

You get your certified copies of the land patent and file all of those documents.

A certified copy of the original land patent issued by the Republic of Texas.

But if you accept the existing land patent, keeping in mind that 98% of all the land in Texas has been patented back in the 1800s,

98% of the land has been patented, you can accept the original existing land patent,

Dusty sent me an affidavit on land patents.

And we've done shows on land patents before.

And can you kind of walk down the basics of land patent as it applies to your case?

Your case was excellent to give us a good understanding of land patents as opposed to

So with land patents, the state has recorded the land patent in the general land office.

land patent.

And what most of the people who talk about land patents go to is the only way the state

had the original land patent recorded in the county so i have superior title and steven said

all interest and title and that i have superior title because of the land patent you'll almost

the land patents won't even hear new cases on it no no new arguments on it because they maintain

this state and when we're talking about a land patent we're talking about this state.

So when you bring forward a land patent you essentially do the same thing.

When they deeded you the land by land patent they relinquished all right and title into

we have property and we have the option of bringing forward a land patent and most all

go there and actually look up our land patent there right and you need to get several certified

right because in the codes they have revalidated those land patents many many times and so

That would have been useful for folks that are looking at land patent information and

stuff because we dealt a lot with the land patents as they have them up there.

Most of the folks up there that have the big plots of land all have the actual land patent

the police, that went to a land patent, and this is not going to either an

alloidal title or a land patent.

alloidal or land patent title.

So that raises a question. If you've brought forth your land patent and you're not registered with the state,

But if you bring forward the land patent, some places they call it land patent, other places they call it colloidal title.

Have you brought forward the land patent?

Go to Austin and the land office there will show you how to bring forth a land patent.

If you bring forward the land patent, then the title comes out of the land office.

Okay. Nobody pulls the title. So if you need to bring forth the land patent, pull the title,

You'd have to bring forth the land patent, because it's not hard to do.

by a loyal title through a land patent, okay?

That land patent is a contractual agreement between the state of Texas

The terms of the land patent are very, very clear,

the land delegated by and bequeathed by that land patent

I know lots of people that have land patents and copies of the patent in their name

You have to have the land patent carried forward in your name.

under the code that established their office to carry forward that land patent.

that was sold or given to a private individual under a land patent

and you can't prove that you are the elodial title holder through that land patent.

The only thing you can do is sue the land patent office

but for the two guys that were just on about land patents,

your first guy from Alaska, he's going to have to go to the BLM land patent website.

they get a land patent issued on it.

And for your other friends, the easiest way to trace back your land patent

So you can go straight to the archives to get a copy of the original land patent that encompasses it.

And any county records clerk or county clerk that tells you that they no longer use land patents in the county

She got a phone call while I was standing there from the GLO land patent attorney because I called it.

So they had a nice little discussion about land patents and land patents and the records there too in the counties

Yeah, if anybody has their deed or their land patent recorded in the public records, that's where the state's getting their jurisdiction.

The problem is the identifier of the property. The land patent would fix that.

No, I just was listening to a fellow that had a problem with his land patent and the conversation about it.

Now, again, Pat, thank you for calling in on the land patent information.

And once again, folks, if you're having an issue with land patent information, what to do about it, understanding what it is, why you need to know about it, and why you need to make sure that if at all possible, you carry yours forward.

I know that people are interested in land patent and there's a lot of misconceptions

I got here a week or two ago dealing with the land patent and property taxes. Under

the language of the land patent, the state of Texas has no claim to any property that

was ceded to the property owner through a land patent. The language of the patent is

domain. It cannot tax any land that is under a land patent because it is not within the

job for which they were created and not issuing land patents, not accepting those claims under

We were talking about land patents.

Were you not talking about land patents?

What's the purpose of getting a land patent?

The land patent is the highest form of title to the land.

Land patent...

The land patents here in Texas were signed by the then president of the Texas government, okay, up until we became a state,

The property taxes upon land under a land patent are patently void under the contractual terms, as well as a violation of the Texas Constitution.

Okay, so say I didn't go through the procedure of getting my land patented.

Okay, I'm assuming you weren't able to hear the show from the beginning then when I started talking about the land patents.

And their sole job is to assist individuals in carrying forward those land patents in their name.

But now if you're actually in Alaska, I don't know what a land patent in Alaska looks like.

That's the only way that land passed from hand to hand was by completing an audio title through a land patent.

Here in Texas, they stopped issuing land patents because there was no more public land to issue patents on that they were willing to do so.

forth your land patent then you're not going to fall under and most people have not brought the

land patent forward because there are other issues involved of police and fire protection to be one

very serious one if you've brought your land patent forward then you stand as that sovereign

then the jurisdiction of the state extends within those boundaries does ed talk about land patent

bringing forward your land patent then you fall off the tax rolls would you like to make more

land patents. All right, Lenny, go ahead.

the governor prior to being a state, the president of Texas signed the land patents.

to private interest was done through a land patent. That includes every aspect of the

The original land patent that I had was signed by Woodrow Wilson, and I traced it all the

I have a copy of the land patent, the original one, and I have a certified one that's in

a state, that no longer mattered. So the states issued land patents as well? Yeah. Now I remember

of the land patents are pre or post 1845. So they were issued in the name of state of

She's a gal with land patents.

No, there's a land patent that does. Does he have a land patent?

I told him that he needs to go and put his name on the land patent.

You have to cancel that contract by bringing forward the alloidal title or the land patent.

So figure out what you want to do and look into bringing forth your land patent in Idaho and call us next weekend.

Yeah, I need to research that. I was thinking that because I had the land patent that superseded anything that the state could do to me.

So if you have a land patent, then someone can purchase your property on the patent.

And so it has its downside. If you don't ever intend to sell the property, go ahead and bring the land patent for it.

If you don't have an loyal title or in Texas, they call it a land patent.

No one will purchase a property unless they're unusual and understand a land patent or a loyal title.

The president, it was a land patent that was transferred from the United States government and President Grover Cleveland signed it.

If at any time in the process subsequent to the issuance of the land patent, if the property is mortgaged,

Land patent properties are not listed in the county recorder's office.

So, in the land patent that was, that covered my land, it said that it was an only old title,

Yeah, there's a lot of processes out there that talk about, you know, bringing the land patent forward to put it into your name,

That's the only issue in land patents the way to go.

Okay, I have a land patent procedure, but the county doesn't want to recognize a land patent as being private property.

Make your argument that you hold the land under a land patent and that since the state has no claim, then...

And if you ask the court to rule that all you have to do is bring the land patent forward and you never have to pay taxes again,

So what does the law in Arizona say about land patents?

And the issue is essentially the same in Arizona as it is in another state, like land patents.

some good statutory law on land patents in Texas.

I mean, is it more dangerous to go the land patent route?

to go than to go with the land patent?

Well, the problem with trying to go that route without the land patent is that the title

If you take that lien off through a land patent, then the state has no more power to

Well, the problem with that is when you take the land patent off, then you no longer have

The police, they don't know enough to understand that if you have a land patent, they don't

Okay, I didn't understand that, so you're not intending to file a land patent on this

Oh, no, no, no, I have the land patent.

to do is run down to the land office and pull a land patent on their property, and they

The other collar that was talking about the land issue, about the land patent, I've been

Allodial title and land patent is essentially the same thing.

When you pay the mortgage off, you have to act and go get the land patent or the allodium title in order to remove yourself from the tax rolls.

If the mortgage company repossesses a property, a land patent doesn't help you when there's a contract.

legislature are the places that they have physically purchased and they have land patented

I'm curious. I've been reading about Homestead Exemptions and reading about the land patent.

Okay, first off, what is a Homestead versus a land patent title?

Okay, the land patent title is the original title to a property from the Homestead Act.

That language in our land patent is extremely clear.

Here in Texas, it was always done by land patent, and the land patent was an ironclad contract between the state and the individual,

and the land patent's language specifically said that the state relinquishes all claims and title forever to that piece of land,

the state government is forbidden to institute a tax on private property that is covered by a land patent.

A deed is not a land patent.

Thus, it is very different from a land patent.

First thing is, is you have to find out what land patent that parcel of land you purchased was originally part of, okay?

Then they're going to have to fill out the proper paperwork to delegate that parcel to you via a new assigned land patent, heirs and assigns, remember?

You could actually go to the one who holds the last valid land patent and say, I bought all of this land right here and I need you to give me an updated copy of the patent so I can go file the paperwork.

See, here in Texas, the governor is the one who had to sign the land patent.

Rights. Land. Okay, so again, without having the actual alloidial title, which is your land patent,

land patent. Okay, you have an actual land patent that says that the state or the federal government,

Would it not? Oh, yes, it would. Okay. Okay, is a land patent a contract? Absolutely.

something to clarify a point you had three callers about land patents uh one guy was in

all right arizona all right 17 states the 17 western states for land patents fall under the

And, you know, in Texas, supposedly when you bring the land patent forward,

Well, I just wanted to give you that little bit of information on the land patent,

If you get the land patent, stop trying to enforce it in Texas courts.

because the land patents in Texas are 100% ironclad contracts between the state of Texas

And not in a single case in Texas has anyone shown me a case where anybody with a land patent has bothered to argue breach of contract.

that the state of Texas cannot tax any property for which a land patent has been carried forward in the current owner's name.

Well, if they won't do their job, then what you're going to need is a copy of the land patent from the owner from whom you got the property, and it has to be in their name.

So I'm going to search land patent office for the previous patent holder.

For instance, file a public information request requesting copies of all Bureau of Land Management policy and procedures that state no Bureau of Land Management employee may provide services relating to the carrying forward of land patents to new heirs and assigns of a piece of property.

No. Well, they can have a statute all they want to. Land law in Texas is very straightforward, especially when there's a land patent granted on that property.

and then at the Treaty of Hidalgo brought forward into Texas, Republic of Texas, land patents, and in 1845, that was brought forward into the state.

And I have a certified copy of the land patent fork, which was issued sometime in like the 1890s.

And I was listening to your show two, three weeks ago where it sounds to me like you need to be able to take each person from the issuance of that land patent,

Either you're saying the chain of title is illegal and I can't use it to carry my land patent forward,

It shows that you have the right to be granted the position of air or assign on that land patent.

Because I'm pretty sure that your land patent contains language that their title doesn't have at all, such as...

The land patent won't, their document will, the land patent's the one that says they gave up any right to that land, any claim to that land,

and any way to tax or do anything to that land when they gave out that land patent.

to people via land patent.

You know, I've been working with Jennifer Ruby for numbers of years doing land patent stuff and everything.

And we've got our land patents in place because the state issued them.

And he's going to be very specifically talking about land patents and how to bring them forward.

was sold on a land patent. Okay. And what are the terms of the land patent? Yeah, all rights of

a land patent with that verbiage cannot have a tax tied to it by the state because that's a claim

the state has against that property that the land patent itself says they can't have and they signed

courts have said about the state's power to do. No. What you need to look at is a land patent.

United States of America, then that's a land patent issued as a territory, not as a state.

not jurisdiction of the state applied? Under the terms of the land patent, it cannot apply for

I did the updated the land patent a couple years ago, and so now I want to get into the declaratory judgments part of it.

are impairing the contract for my land patent contract. Perfect. You're in the right position.

to Larry in Arizona about land patent. I'm not sure what contract you're referring to. A land

bring forward the land patent and remove the title. But nobody removed the titles,

forward, and what contract were you referring to? Okay, the land patent says it was issued to the

learning to get to, so you're addressing the land patent as a title, I mean as a contract,

land patent claim. Now the state has no claim against your property. Does that make sense?

the law specific to the feds. I am not the expert in land patents. There are guys out there who

information on land patents, then if I get anyone sending me emails, because if I had that in the

gentleman a couple of months ago on a land patent. But your monologue ran so parallel to the way they

You're talking about, you're telling this gentleman, Eric, you know, how about his land patent and you

two things at issue here in relation to the land patents and the property taxes. Okay. The first

and foremost issue is breach of contract. That land patent is a binding contract upon the state

I have a land patent on this property so my property was granted before Arizona became a state

does real property for which there is a land patent and no title

so first is property real property in Arizona for which the holder has a land patent and no title

have no title if I have a land patent okay here's how they got the titles

they distributed properties to people with land patents or they granted patents to certain people

yes see you are the owner of the property you give them a copy of your land patent

Oh no, that would be, I don't know. If it's county road grading, I don't think it does. So if you use the roads, if you brought forward the land patent, you would still owe for all of the services that you enjoy from the state.

But when I looked into land patents, I found that there were two sides to that. It may turn out that if you want fire and police protection and you have to contract with them separately, that may wind up costing you more than the property tax or the school tax.

Do you know any... probably a real estate attorney would be able to tell you maybe about land patents?

Oh, have you done a land patent search?

Land patents A or Arizona?

Land patent Arizona, the Apache County, Arizona, and Bureau of Land Management, JLL Records.

I did a little search and a section on land patents seemed to make a distinction between

state and federal that land patents convey property in the public domain to private ownership,

that ownership through a land patent could not be superseded by the state or anyone else.

And there's also a Crawford v. State that says a land patent is the premier title to

Then you were looking at a suit against the state for patent and for land patent infringement.

What I'm saying is you're looking at land patents. What is the key issue?

Can the state supersede ownership by land patent?

You can go in and claim, well, this is my property and I have a land patent.

You claim you have a land patent and can the state of Arizona infringe upon my land patent.

The land patent is not a state issue.

No, no, all I want to know is what this, I think this paragraph tells out of it says that the land patent is not taxable.

This Summa Corporation v. California seems to be very clear that the state is statutorily a stopped from infringing on a land patent.

And a land patent has always held.

Matter of fact, speaking of Yuma, it seems that Leslie had addressed this issue as well. Send me an email about Land Patents Arizona and I'll forward it to Leslie and get her opinion on it.

Because I've done my land patent paperwork and I'm saying that the tax assessor by trying to assess me taxes is impairing my contract with the United States of America.

I guess that land patent would be construed as a contract with the state.

How did you get leans against properties when you brought the land patent forward?

You shouldn't be able to get a loan against property with a land patent on it.

Because that's generally the purpose of a land patent.

Now I'm not the land patent expert, especially not in Arizona law.

But as I understand about land patents, it actually moves the land outside the state.

So what do you know about land patents in Arizona?

How can a state exercise sovereignty over properties that have the land patent brought forward?

That originally the state granted land patents, but they had a lot of property that wasn't given away in a patent.

Once the loan was paid off, then you could bring forward the land patent and extinguish the claim against your property in the form of the title.

Or does Arizona law allow the state to tax all property within the boundaries of the state without regard to a land patent?

Last time we spoke, you told me to file for a declaratory judgment on my land patent.

Yes, but you're asking about a land patent, which is a state issue and not a federal

If it's clear and to the point and land patents are very well adjudicated, that's probably

I was working on this land patent and what it did was I got all the fees, state and all

No, no, no, this is land patent.

Is there a land patent in D.C.?

land patent office, and it still does, and it's in Austin.

They will, okay, if you want to bring forward your land patent, you do it through the, what's

connection okay all right so back to your land patent have you you've read that

contain the language that a transfer via land patent does those things no not not

you've got a land patent that says it was acquired from the United States right

good evening I've been talking to you for a while about a land patent issue that

the land patent says that the federal government had control the land and

issued under that land patent and seed it back to the state after the statehood

government you said ceded the land via the land patent prior to Arizona

becoming a state correct yes does the language of the land patent say that the

there you broke up does the federal does the land patent state that the federal

Texas land patents and because it says that the state of Texas has absolutely

Dealing with land patents?

Dealing with the issue of property taxes on land patents.

And that's what that land patent is.

But I have a couple of ways I'm working on my backup. You've helped me with my land patent case for a couple of years now

It doesn't prevent them in general but because of your property has the land patent brought forward then you're operating under the contract between the state and the federal government or between you and the federal government

Okay. You're asking the court to declare the rights of the parties. You have this property. You have a land patent brought forward. You're under contract with the federal government. Can a county

act or interfere with a contract between you and the federal government? And you want to make the ask the question in a way that would implicate other issues not related to land patent.

land patent or an loyal title because that eliminates the title on the property and takes

or deed of trust um you know what i honestly don't know i'm i'm dealing with a land patent so i

what i based on on the impairment of fraud oh for fraud they you have a land patent the property

there is no higher title than than a land patent yes so uh the county has no claim against your

that you have a land patent then the assessments fraudulent they've filling out the document is

okay impairment of the contract what contract are you speaking of the land patent contract with the

what contract that well according to this lawsuit a land a land patent a land patent grant whatever

good absolutely keep us up to speed on how this works out how has the land patent affected your

what would you advise someone concerning a land patent because one thing i know of you

you can't get a loan against that property with a land patent on it you probably can't sell it with

a law at land patent on it unless you sell it someone or you can't sell it and and the other

like police and fire no i've had nothing negative about having a land patent

talk about land patents they don't always realize what the the ramifications can be yeah if you if

reference land patents so i can put you in my list of people in the know i will i will send it to

yes there was there is a claim of the forever benefit which is part of the land patent

and it's the law firm that did the land patent for me that that is filed in the county record

a property with a land patent, and the tax assessor sold it for taxes that he couldn't

On the break, I mentioned to Brett, we had a guy called in from Georgia, and he got a land patent on his property.

And with a land patent, you're no longer subject to property taxes.

Adam, the thing about it is the Four Corners rule is how they should be reviewing land patents

They should be reading the land patent language in the Four Corners of the document.

It's beyond their power according to the terms of the land patent.

I know that land patent stuff. I've been reading the tax code a lot.

In Texas, all private property is supposed to be transferred to its unincorporated private owners, if it's not being used for corporate profit and gain, by land patent.

As land turned over and transferred by land patent, it is beyond the power of the state to tax, because the land patent itself does not reserve to the state any power to levy taxes.

Well, the Texas land patent does not create any ability to levy taxes. It doesn't reserve any right to the state for that purpose.

So have you looked up land patents in Arizona?

What you found, we're trying to find something that states the disposition of land patent property in Arizona.

Eddie, I'm still working on my land patent case. The federal court told me they didn't have jurisdiction,

How can the federal court say it doesn't have jurisdiction under a federal land patent?

Then you need to appeal that court's ruling because if this deals with a federal land patent,

And that's a federal issue. Just like the land patent itself is a federal issue.

You remember what I was telling them about the land patents in the state of Texas and how they should be arguing these cases and no one is?

I told you that the land patent is a binding agreement. The state of Texas is in breach of contract for taking any part in property taxes in the state of Texas.

The state of Arizona is engaged in tortuous interference with the land patent agreement between the land holder and their heirs and assigns and the federal government.

See, if you looked at a map of Texas and the map was plotted according to the land patents issued within the territorial borders of the outline of Texas, all you would see is Swiss cheese.

So whatever the outline of the state of Arizona may be on the map, there's going to be Swiss cheese holes in that map for every plot of land that was issued under a federal land patent.

guys that was talking about the land patents right ron gibson is a well-known person who does the

land patents the people have to understand though when you have a mortgage it's more difficult to

the muck of it first off what do you mean by he does the land patents okay he did all the studies

patent okay what the laws of the federal government is when it comes to the land patents okay stop or

regulations stop uh-huh the laws of the federal government in relation to land patents will only

research land patents and titles in your state find you an oil and gas land man and hire them to do it

on what to do when it comes to land patents the biggest problem people have is that some of them

ends up getting a mortgage and then they say hey i want to file a land patent

and if you got to pay it off you have a much easier time not only getting the land patent

what you got is a acceptance of the land patent type deal what you have to do

okay just to make it easier but uh that's just the best i could do on advice on the land patent

down um the thing about the land patent uh and having your property paid off you've got a mortgage

that land patent you said nobody has ever filed suit that would be uh done in the correct way to

cases to ask you about tonight eddie um okay first one is the land patent case you've been helping me

your question okay do you personally know anybody that's ever won a land patent case I don't know

anyone that's ever done a land patent case correctly to my knowledge there is not a single person

that has ever gone in and argued the breach of contract that is the land patent issue

the key to this well what is a land patent it's an agreement it's an agreement between the person

numerous times that in order to do so the land patent would have specifically stated the reservation

or whoever the original patent issuer was okay or in yall's case since yall's land patents were

and then you go forward from there do you have a certified copy of the texas land patent i don't

people's land patents or at least the part where the verbiage exists that i'm talking about but

agencies as far as I can, and there was no land patents ever issued in South Carolina.

but there's no mention, nothing ever of a land patent or direct terminology of a Lodio land

So you guys have been helping me with this land patent case the last year or so.

Now, the next thing I wanted to bring up and ask you about is the, I want to get a land patent.

I want to do the process of a land patent.

See, here in Texas, the argument is pretty simple because the land patent is very clear.

Everybody's been talking, been asking you about land patents recently.

I've been talking to you for over a year on this land patent deal.

over the federal property that was bequeathed under the land patent and therefore is acting

The next thing I want to begin into is land patent and I wanted to know what do you think

about a land patent and how do you go about doing it?

Land patents is a double edged sword.

Most people are doing the land patents in order to get out of a property tax, but when

of Land Patents Georgia, and I got a hit on, no it didn't.

Land Patents.

I got a site, thelandpatents.com, so just do a search for Georgia Land Patents, and it

I have no idea what that means, but just look it up, research out land patents for Georgia,

and then call us back next week and tell us how to do a land patent there.

They are required as their original purpose to issue a land patent for that portion of the land that is now under the possession of the this new individual, a new patent in their name.

Now once they have that land patent carried forward in their name, they can replace the deed or title at the county clerk with a copy of that patent.

So you would follow the chain of title, whether it be via land patent, deed or title, from the original patent forward.

So if you bought it outright and it's not encumbered, you could then take those chain of title documents to the land office, and they are supposed to give you a land patent.

But I didn't know about, I've heard people talk about the land patents, but I didn't understand it.

Well, what I know is based upon what a Texas land patent says.

I can't speak as to what every land patent says.

The only land patents I've ever seen, I've seen the ones that are issued for Texas, and I've seen one that was issued originally by the federal government in the state of Arizona.

Every land patent bore the governor's signature.

And because it's a binding agreement, my argument to folks that are fighting property taxes and things of that nature that actually have a valid land patent carried forward in their name is to sue the state for breach of contract and to sue the political subdivision that's actually assessing and trying to collect the tax for tortious interference with that contract.

Great. Yeah, that last Charles was pretty interesting there. I'm wondering, because of what he said, what's the difference between a land patent and a title?

A deed and a title are not in any way at all valid compared to a land patent.

The difference is equity ownership via land patent or legal ownership via deed or title.

They have to go back and find the original land patent that covered the parcel of land that their parcel came from, okay?

People need to carry the land patent, the original land patent for whatever plot of land their house is sitting on.

they can then get a land patent carried forward in their name if they can get the land office in the state of Texas to do their damn job,

How are you doing, Randy? Well, Randy, I'm working on my land patent tax foreclosure

Last spring when I was talking to you, I was in a court on my land patent deal and you

So we were talking about bringing the land patent forward with the Texas General Land Office,

I have a land patent.

I'll bring forward the land patent and just remove it from the tax rolls altogether,

And we'll follow the land patents if we have to.

We found the original land patent folder.

The land patent was awarded by the Republic of Texas at the time before Texas was a state.

Does he also talk about the land patent by chance or no?

Say that again about the land patent.

Land Patent

We got people out there telling these guys you can do a land patent and you can get out of the taxes

they don't tell them if you did in fact do a land patent and get out of paying the taxes

And I wanted to bring to his attention about getting the land patent, and the Lodio title,

brought to my attention by Mark the trucker, his name is Mr. Ron Gibson, he's a land patent

Know About Land Patent.

No, I'm not claiming anything, I'm not the land patent expert.

Well, I was seeing if y'all had looked into them land patents,

No, I did not look into the land patents.

I was not even thinking about land patents.

I have spent a lot of time with land patents, and I'm not as impressed with them as a lot of people are.

We're back into the land patent.

Tell us about land patents.

And he has the information. And also, he should let the listeners know there's two books they can order and get the books from the land patent expert.

You're talking about this land patent and yeah, that's one possibility. Lots of people talked about that.

And that's what I'm telling you. You search the land patent and you get the warranty deed out to the county assessor issuing you a warranty deed, which is not the true deed.

The information you would go, I gave to Randy. You can look him up and Google him. His name is Mr. Ron Gibson. He's a land patent rights expert.

Yeah, and I have that information. If anybody's interested in the land patent issue, send me an email. I will forward it to you.

Can I finish? Can I finish? Hold on. I am Mr. Gibson. We're not patriots. Mr. Gibson is a land patent rights expert and he has gone down the road that you keep asking me.

get that man on the air with you to talk about his, about the land patent rights, to put

in the land patent, again, I don't have to prove it,